Something to mention on bypass valve, WIX is the ONLY oil filter to my knowledge that specifies the bypass valve pressure, and its identical to what subaru requests.
I’ve been a mechanic for 47 years. I did this same thing years ago trying to find the best filter for my customers. I was very shocked at how terrible Fran filters are. They are such a well known filter that is absolutely JUNK as you’ve proved. I can’t stress this enough to people how critical this is. Keep up the great videos and I hope a lot of people will listen to the truth you speak. Thanks
I absolutely agree. However, the Fram Ultra is one of the best filters on that market that is readily available on the shelf. I would venture to say they are as good or better than the Tokyo Roki filters.
@@cpftank09 I run the fram titanium and run the Tokyo Roki filters on my frs. You won’t see any cardboard end caps on the Fram Ultra or titanium. The orange can Fram filters are what they are a cheap bargain filter meant to be changed at 3000 miles. It will get you by but it isn’t anything special. Run the Tokyo Roki, wix, Mobil one, Bosch or Fram Titanium. It’s a roll of the dice running a cheap filter it could be okay or it could prematurely ruin your engine.
@@brianeighties4481 exactly. I’ve seen the cut away of the titanium and it’s impressive, looks like the “old” Ultra. But the Ultra is almost half the price and I doubt Fram made it worse when they revised it recently.
@@erickamekonapeper4007 I haven’t seen any filtration tests to indicate that the Tokyo Roku is any good. Yet there independent filtration tests on the Fram Ultra and it has some of the best filtration and flow rates out there. Wiz is good too, but not available everywhere.
The "emergency" filter is nice. I hope they keep that one. I'm using the lower profile wider filter for the STI on my 23 Outback. At least that's what my dealer put on when I asked them for the Japanese filter equivalent.
The USA made Subaru filter is also the same as the typical 15400-PLM-A02 Honda oil filter and we don’t seem to have an issue with getting them yet. However if you have want a Japanese made Honda oil filter that’ll work on your Subaru, Mahle makes the Honda 15400-RTA-003 oil filter. Nissan also makes Japanese made oil filters that’ll also work with your Subaru. You’ll notice no difference using any of these!
I own a shop that rarely works on anything other than European cars, but I do deal with filter failures a lot. What I can say is you guys are looking at quality criteria that may not really matter. One of my favorite brands , and an OE brand for BMW and Benz uses foam end caps ! I'm not sure the end caps made by fram would be a problem. I guess to test it, you could throw it in boiling water for a few hours and see what comes out? Most of the cars I deal with use insert type filters, and failure is readily seen during service. A very common failure is of filter media collapse due to improper filter media manufacture. The media, is (I believe) cellulose base soaked with resin(?) and after a while operating in the engine, absorbs some moisture. The cell fibers swell and stop flowing oil. Long service intervals made possible by synthetic oil and winter operation aggravate the problem. I've seen this fault on filters that come in from a cars serviced with "STP"( had "made in USA on it), NAPA Gold, Service champ(?), and unbranded "made in China" filters. I have saved examples to prove it. I have had customers towed in with sized engines from this. 5 in the last ten years, but more than a dozen filters in that time from a wide range of cars. This includes a Napa gold that I bought last year for a Volvo V70 , and the next time the car was in for service, the oil filter was obviously affected. Instead of having straight sides, the filter looks like an hourglass shape that I typically see from this type of failure. To the credit of the Napa store I bought it from, the owner took pictures and got on the phone right then and made the right people aware of it. Now I stick with Mann, Mahle, Hengst, or Kencht (Purolator, now made by Mahle) . No doubt there are other good brands. Just not for me.
The Mazda RX-8 oil filters are black Mazda-branded Tokyo Roki units not too different from the Subaru 15208AA160. It supposedly has the same bypass valve spec.
I went down this rabbit hole years ago trying to find a good quality filter. Oddly after HOURS of comparing datasheets and reading all witch way of forum posts I also discovered the Mazda filter as a direct fit replacement. Now granted all mine are EJ engines but as I recall the specs match close enough that it works out alright. My local Mazda dealer needless to say was incredibly surprised when I told them these are also Subaru filters in the JDM.
@@dwendt44 that's not a problem for the EJ-series engine since the filter is mounted on the bottom. It would not be recommended to grab a Mazda filter on newer FA-series of engine.
I’d advise against this, the bypass valve and it’s spring will probably be a much different pressure and spec required to activate them compared to the one for your vehicle.
Hi Mr. Subaru, I have a 2008 Outback that I bought while living in Montana. I went to the local NAPA store to get an oil filter (no Subaru dealer within 100 miles). The owners are huge Subaru fans and told me that the NAPA gold 1334 filter (made by Wix) is much better than the 1/2 a beer can size stock filter. They explained that the relief valve pressure (bypass valve and values) are the same - as is the threading, oil passages and fitment. That was in 2014. I've been using them ever since and have had no issues whatsoever. The NAPA gold 1334 filter is quite a bit larger but it really isn't any big deal. Thank you for your time, Doug
looks like same application as the Purolator 14459! spin on that's listed for basically all the Kia/Hyundai engines that don't use cartridges, some of the STIs, and a couple of the old DOHC timing belt hondas :)
The interim filter is definitely an "e-core" design made by Champion Labs. They make filters for AC Delco and a number of private labels including including SuperTech (Walmart). While I prefer WIX and Purolator One, I have no qualms grabbing a SuperTech filter in a pinch. They're cheap, yet still far better made than Fram.
@@C5Z06CarGuy Fram purchased Champ a number of years ago. But filters sold under the Fram label are still the same awful design with the cardboard end caps, while the Champ made ones retain the e-core style. You would think Fram would incorporate some of Champ's technology into their product, as Champ has obviously figured out how to create a quality product at a bargain price point. Yet they don't. I can only surmise that Fram's crappy design is even cheaper to produce than the e-core, while millions still buy their products anyway because its a "brand name". Why screw with a profitable formula like that?
In my country (Chile), is easy to buy the black one filter. Last week I did the 275,000 km oil change with the black filter that I have always used, but the blue filters began to appear since few years ago. Since I saw your first filter analysis and comparison video, the blue ones have rejected me.
That new filter is the same as any "budget" filter from all the big brands. They all come from the same factory from what I recall. Metal end caps with ribbed plastic core and same basic filtration media. Great filters when picked up at Walmart for $3.50 in their ST oil filter line.
After watching your original oil filter comparisons, I went online and purchased the good stuff from Amayama. Great price, fast delivery. Recently I needed more filters, and again Amayama to the rescue. Not only were these replacements Japanese spec'd, but even with the added shipping from the UAE, three filters were cheaper then going to my local dealer and getting one crap USA made filter. Thanks again for the great info.
The pressure release valve being stiffer in the made in Japan Subaru oil filter has a function. It keeps one side of the Subaru boxer engine from starving for oil while in high speed cornering and tight cornering situations.
Wish I saw these earlier, I bulk bought the Made in USA version, and used it on 2 oil changes. I just ordered the Mazda version. Thank you. Mr. Subaru.
Just got my oil and filter changed at my local Subaru dealer and noticed that they used the new version. I was a bit concerned that it might be a cheap knock off, but after watching your video I would say it's as good or better than the old style.
Dunno if it's just the camera angle... but the cardboard end caps on the original USA filter look so close to the sides of the can id say thats your biggest flow restriction right there. The oil coming in has to squeeze through, what appears to be less then a 32nd of an inch gap to reach the filter media on the sides. The bypass oil (should the bypass open due to restricted filter or cold weather) has to be forced past both the top and bottom end plates though that tiny gap.
Wow, the replacement filter is better, interesting. The new filter is made by champion labs, they hold the license for the plastic core design, and yes they make filters for ACdelco. That design is know as the ECore.
Careful. The higher bypass pressure means it may not be opening during cold starts. I say may because I don't know how much higher the pressure rating is on the filter you are using. Are you monitoring oil pressure at start?
I just did my oil change today on my 22 outback. Went to Napa and they didn't have the 7055 gold filter. Went down the road to the subaru dealer and the new filter with crush washer was cheaper than the napa filter 😮
The "emergency" filters appear to be made by Champion Labs, which is ACDelco's supplier. The color also looks similar to ACDelco blue, and the stamping on top also matches ACDelco filters as well, so likely they are buying from Champ Labs and are being sent Delco filters without the GM label.
Although I don't own any import vehicles.... I do keep track of Oil Filter designs and quality........ Baldwin/Hastings and Wix are usually to top-tier that can be easily sourced in my area.
FWIW, when my 1999 OBW was new, the Subaru oil filters that came on the car, and from the dealer were made by Purolator and said both Subaru and Purolator on them. I have been using Purolator filters in it almost exclusively. I still drive it.
Just a heads up for half the price you can buy a Walmart filter and it's the same thing.. Purolator boss Menards sells them they are made by wixs XP it is the older stock they are all made in the USA if they are not made in the USA don't buy them a lot of wix filters are now not made in the USA they are junk
Me too or Purolator boss pbl14615 or AFE part #44-lf017 I usually change my oil filter every 12,000 miles but my oil every 4k. 07 Forester with a manual transmission. I have 172k on it. & Stock everything. Best regular car I ever owned.
I'm new to Subaru. I have purchased a 2012 Forester last year for my son to drive. I had my mechanic go through the car and do an oil change right after I got it. I've done the next oil change myself. Now that I've seen these videos, I'm going to check what filter the parts store provided me. I noted it was taller than the one I removed. Thanks for these videos.
Your Japanese own filter looks very much to me like HifloFiltro filters, the crimp Bering larger than the can, the plastic wrap, the round o-ring. I do not know if they sell filters for cars here but there filters for offroad are impressive quality to me and somewhat cheap yet identical to Suzuki OEMs for my motorcycle...
When I bought my Forester, I also got some free oil changes from the dealer. When I learned they were using the blue USA junk I couldn't wait to take over the oil changes. After a lot of research, I settled on the Purolator Boss PBL14615. It's pricy but they claim it uses a superior media to hold up for 15,000 miles between oil changes. As soon as I get the first one off, I'll cut it open to see what the media looks like.
The made in USA interim filter looks better! Not surprised Subaru actually had to go more expensive when their cheap supply ran dry. I wouldn't worry about the plastic cage unless you try to pull a crazy change interval and run in the cold. Wrong bypass pressure also not shocking and will save the plastic support. Interesting Subaru is willing to use lower bypass after all the aneurisms on the internet over the years. Still makes me wary of the interim filter. Strangely, most sources say AC Delco filters are made by Champion Labs, AKA Fram. There is also a lawsuit for false made in USA claims. Who knows currently. Tokyo Roki obviously still supreme. How many Tokyo Roki filters do you have in stock, anyways? Hahaha.
@@you_can_fuck_your_own_ass_69 Wix is definitely better than Champ Labs. They are part of the Mann+Hummel family now, but had multiple factories and still do. The design is superior. The website says 11 facilities in 8 countries.
@@you_can_fuck_your_own_ass_69 Champion Labs makes ACDelco and Supertech filters, and these interim Subaru filters appear the same. Fram used to be made by Honeywell, as is USA made Honda and Subaru filters, but Fram is now part of Champion Labs. Fram and Champ Labs appear to still have separate filter lines though. Wix is now owned by Mann+Hummel, but I think most Wix filters are still a separate line of filters than Mann filters.
It's been a while since I've gone deep into oil filter sources, but I remember Champion Labs being the manufacturer of a huge amount of filter brands a few years ago, including some of the best and worst on the market.
Mazda did acquire Subaru (before it was acquired by Toyota) so It makes sense they might have similar oil filter (and other products). This is great information. Thank you.
I'd love to see your opinion on WIX filters, especially given the OEM blues are out of stock. A lot of aftermarket oil filters have lower bypass pressures (assuming to fit different engines/manufacturers) and the old EJs (and likely FA/FB) require higher to the tune of about 23PSI. WIX was the only filter I could find for the EJ that was the exact same bypass as OEM and has metal endcaps.
Wix has poor filtering efficiency. Their rated efficiency is with 40 micron particles, as the particles get smaller, wix really has poor efficiency. I actually use Fram (gasp!) ultra synthetic filters. Fram ultra synthetic filters have good construction, and the best filtering efficiency available.
One of his older videos on oil filters he cut open wix and compared it to all other brands witch he cut open also , look into his past videos you should find it , i switched to wix xp from K&N after watching his video , puralator are also good
i work in the parts department at my Nissan dealership and our subaru branch ordered 120 filters from us because they apparently work with them, our nissan filters work with most hondas and acura’s, i use them on my acura.
Super good information. The dealership put a Napa filter on my 18 Crosstrek and I wanted to get the facts before confronting them. I get the filter shortage but they didn't say anything to me about it or charging me full price for an alternative filter
I'm glad I didn't abuse my dealer in my Google Maps review. When I saw this unbranded filter after changing the oil a few days ago, I was shocked. Thought they finally started using fakes.
I met a guy once that sold replacement filters that did not use paper media or bypass valves. He used a fine stainless mesh. It was user serviceable. You could tale it apart, wash out the mesh and reassemble it. While I have my doubts that it filters down to the level of paper media, it seems the ultimate filter would be a combination. A washable stainless mesh with a replaceable paper media behind it. You would then need a bypass for the paper media at startup. Most people don't realize that a paper media won't flow any oil when it's cold. It goes to full bypass, which filters nothing during this time. It would be good to have the stainless mesh in place for this. I also believe that Subaru is reducing the effectiveness of the filters by mounting them upside down. Gravity helps keep the particles in the filter once they are captured. The fact that it has to bypass at startup means that large amounts of particles can escape the filter at once.
My '23 Crosstrek 2.0 liter came with the 15208AA160, and I just bought a half-dozen on eBay. The filters are not fully wrapped but the end wrap does not have the hole through it, and it doesn't cling like shrinkwrap over the end of the filter. The part number on the box is printed, not a sticker, but in the upper right corner of the label it says _FUJI HEAVY INDUSTRIES LTD_ instead of _SUBARU CORPORATION._ The sides of the box have the six-star logo and the text _SUBARU GENUINE PARTS_ and the side opposite the part number has a picture of a filter, the six-star, and the text _SUBARU._ The word _ENGINE_ is not printed on the end of the filters, but neither is it printed on the original equipment filter in the car. The box is closed with a single drop of glue, not an array of dots. The gasket has a square edge profile instead of an O-ring. Counterfeit?
38 years a Subaru tech and shop owner. within some reason oil filters and oil brand don't matter that much. We build tons of 2.5 turbo and non turbo engines and what kills Subarus is low oil and/or too long of change intervals. Keep it full to the line and change it 3500 to 4500 miles if you want to get high miles out it. 99.9% of all engines we build have 1 or more failed rod bearings this starts from running with low oil and long change intervals.
Great video. Very informative. When you take the used cartridges out, pulling out the cellulose filtering media could show how much, if any, garbage gets caught...
The Subaru filter with the spiral metal tube inside is more eco-friendly because it will recycle easier than the other filters with the phenolic cage inside. The first step in recycling oil filters is to crush them, and when you do that with the plastic cage inside, it breaks down into a lot of little pieces that can't be recycled with the rest of the metal parts in the filter.
@@jerryyoung6494 A lot of places that change oil will recycle them for free, just call. They don't like to do this, because it is extra work for them, but many will do it if you're polite about it. I also think it's the law that any place that sells motor oil has to offer recycling services.
Mr. Subaru do you do oil changes and services, we just got a new Crosstrek sport (CGK) and it's coming due on first oil change. We live in Camden SC. Where are you located? Would love to meet you! Love your videos and greatly appreciate the time and effort you put into these very informative 👍
I have used Premium Spin-On Engine Oil Filters by Bosch on my 2013 Subaru. Seems to be doing fine as they are pretty good quality filters I have used in my past on other cars.
Pay for Purolator BOSS filters if you want high-mileage, high-strength and more media and twice the exterior metal casing. Strong relief valve, and backflow seals. Depending on them, they are $8-15 each.
Yup, I run this for a year up to 12k on a gen4 outback and the oil analysis is perfect. At 115k miles now. This is with pennzoil ultra Plat oil with nothing added.
I see a lot of Fram hate here, so I’m going to say that the Fram Ultra Synthetic (XG series) filters are really nice compared to their other offerings, while still being very competitively priced. I don’t blame anyone for blasting the extra guard and tough guard filters, but I wanted to say that the brand isn’t bad all the way through the lineup. PS: the XG7317 would be the long filter and the XG6607 would be the short filter
Excellent video. Thank you so much for the Mazda alternative. I wonder, if you cut the filter media on the blue USA one and the blue "emergency" one, would the filter medias measure the same if stretched out flat on a table. Really more for curiosity though. I always grab a K&N Oil filter, that is until now when I'm going to go get me some Mazda ones. 😁
Haven't had issues running Wix 57712 XP filters on my 2.5L EJ Turbo ('14 WRX) nor the previous blue OEM Subaru filters on 3-4K mi OCIs. Currently trying out the Mazda black filter (N3R1-14-302) and it's visibility better than both as well as being able to take in more pre-fill oil before installation (more capacity & filtration). I use Motul X-Cess Gen2 5w-40 engine oil as I live in a hotter climate and am modified a little past "stage 2", although oil brand/weight doesn't seem to matter much as long as you're changing it in the proper intervals.
If people are looking to buy the OEM Black Tokyo-Roki filters, I recommend US based resellers Import Image Racing (IIR) and Subiemods. IIR is where I get the Oil Change Kit for my 2022 WRX and I've no complaints on price and OEM parts included, minus the oil being Motul 0W-20 instead of Subaru-Idemitsu oil
4:57 Yikes. Yeah when my son gets his new WRX in spring, I think we won't be using Subaru branded filters, if THAT's what they are. :( I've always liked Wix. I just checked a few videos with a Wix oil filter cut open compared to other 'leading' brands and that seems to confirm Wix is doing a lot right. I think that'll be my choice.
Purolator boss is made by wixs it is the same as the XP line. And if you have a Menards near you they saw them there and they are a lot cheaper than the parts stores
So, despite all the pearl clutching on BITOG and other forums, it seems that Subaru does not consider the 23psi bypass pressure to be absolutely critical. That's what I got out of this video. Thank you Mr. Subaru! It makes my filter choice easier. I found the AA100 Tokyo Roki Japanese filter at my local Autozone. The taller OEM filter they had was the generic, unlabeled blue one. Hoping they get the Tokyo Roki in stock. That said I wouldn't worry about using an aftermarket filter like Purolator or (trigger warning) a FRAM either.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Subaru ends up turning to Denso to supply filters give the relationship Subaru has with Toyota. Toyota, Yamaha, and more recently Mazda have been using their made in Thailand filters for the US market. Not as nice as the Tokyo Roki filters, but plenty of Toyotas have gone 300k plus on the Thai Denso filters.
Several filter manufacturers have or are using "fiber" end caps. Wix, Chap Labs, A/C etc.. The fiber works well enough. All it does it direct oil to the outer side of the media and keep oil from flowing around the media to the inside.
AC Delco does not make filters. The AC Delco filters used on the assembly line where made by Delphi for General Motors assembly back when I worked for General Motors. The AC Delco filters you can by at the Delearship and Walmart etc....are made by Champion Labs most of the time. The Plastic E-Core interior core support is a dead give away that this is a Champion Labs Filter. In the past Champion Labs made K&N, Mobil-1, Bosch, STP and many other's. They will build what ever you ask for you can order of a menu with regard to design elements you want that they routinely do. So bypass, can thickness, filter media type and amount, bypass type etc....
Thank you for posting this. I have a 2019 Forester Touring with the FB-25 engine. If I understand what you are saying...the Mazda N3R1-14-302 will fit my engine and is spec'd the same as the Subaru filter for this engine? I've read some of the comments stating that Purolator and Wix are good filters. I found a Purolator L14460 on Amazon and have ordered that. I will look at Mazda filters as well. I agree the Fram filters look like trash. I don't want cardboard fibers getting on my bearings. And yes, I do get oil and filter changes regularly.
You can order the black Tokyo Roki filters from Flatirons Tuning out of Boulder,CO. That's where I order mine from for my 05 STi. Also they have a rewards program that's a nice incentive to order from them. Also want to add that RCM makes a filter now as well that Flatirons Tuning sells.
My dealer put in an STP branded blue filter in our Crosstrek on the last service 3 weeks ago. Once the free changes run out, I’ll be running something higher quality.
Interesting video! Don't you guys get your hands on Bosch? Here in Europe, especially in Holland where I'm from, Bosch is a very big thing. Literally 90% of all filters, brake parts and sometimes spark plugs (I prefer NGK) I replace are usually Bosch.
I use Bosch stuff but they're kind of the solid choice that's often overlooked. In general I think the average American perceived premium filters would be Mobil1, K&N, and then Boutique filters (Royal Purple, Amsoil, etc). Then you have a history of people who swore of Fram in favor of Wix who is now a part of Mann+Hummel. So now we have the Mann/Wix/NAPA Gold /Purolator line that a lot of people subscribe to and then Fram Ultra got a huge boost in popularity. I think they'd be along the line of Mahle Hengst. Then you have your Bosch/STP/Carquest/Fram, Silver grade, Good enough filters Walmart house brand filters. You have filtration and flow and a lot of the Japanese manufacturers traditionally have more flow than filtration which if we're being honest is probably substantially more important to an engine. I always avoided Fram due to some stories of issues on Hondas chasing oil pressure issues, but now they're the OE manufacturer for Honda. I try to get the slightly higher line of Bosch filter if I can't get my hand's on something from Mahle or the Mann lines. I think many of us are afraid of cheaping out on basic things especially when the cost difference is so low, but the reality is that most people don't change their own oil and cars all over the country are running on bulk service filters from Bosch, Carquest, etc without issue. It's like people insisting that oil filters require metal endcaps and a coil spring because it looks heavier duty. Size, strength, weight, and cost are associated with quality and durability for the general public and the general maintenance tech. Engineers create something that serves a purpose cost-effectively and so many of us think we can outdo engineers with their budgetary constraints. Myths run strong here and marketing doesn't make it any less confusing as well as lack of transparency when the products are revised so we have these weird hangups. Even Toyota shrunk some of their oil filter with a revision spec and people lost their minds. To be fair though the information is hard to gather, keep track of, and stay up to date.
While the regular off the shelf Fram is cheap like the USA Subaru filter the exception is the Fram Ultra Synthetic filters. Very good quality and synthetic media filtering. Easily available and at a decent price. If you are using full synthetic oil in your Subaru spend a bit more money and get a good quality synthetic oil filter.
The Fram Ultra filter has a synthetic blend media just like any other filter. Which is not a bad thing. The old synthetic Ultra is not produced anymore. By the way, cellulose fibres remove more soot from oil than super duper synthetic filters. So synthetic blend filters are better in terms of overall performance, not just useless efficiency numbers.
Subaru specs much higher bypass valve pressure than other makes, at least for the EJ. I don't know why, but that may explain some of the difference. Many filter companies spec the same filter for EJ and Mazda BP (Miata) applications, because the cans are the same size, while others such as Wix make a Subaru specific part number with the higher bypass pressure.
The bypass valve pressure is irrelevant if the delta P across the media is less than the valve pressure. Basically the bypass valve should never (seldom) open. Subarus engines have very high oil flow at high RPM which creates higher delta P. The Honda S2000 filter has the same bypass valve pressure setting because of the oil flow. If you use a bigger filter than the OEM filter than the bypass pressure is not a significant parameter since the larger media creates less resistance.
The filtering media might be different. The OEM Subaru filter made by Fram uses totally different media than what Fram puts in their Extra and Tough guard series. You will never find a torn Subaru filter made by Fram.
Do a video showing the premium FRAM filter that filters down to 3 microns when the Subaru only filters 20 microns. "FRAM TG16 Premium Filter" They are the ones I use on my Jeep
went to my 2 local Mazda dealers and bought out their 302s. both dealers only had 2 in stock since they are for RX8 which arent on the road as much as the other mazdas.
14:13 the perforated inner brace/support appears to have vastly different hole count. minor difference likely in OEM spec and they're both better than US filter but maybe not an exact rebadge/print
2009-2011 mazda rx8 oil filter is produced by the same japan factory that produces the black subaru filters and its easier to obtain in the US and has a little larger filter capacity
hey just be sure to inspect the o ring and its the same style, weve been using aftermarket filters at my dealer and some after markets will leak sue to the type of o ring is used on the filter, the ones ive been seeing leak is the ones hat have a large flat surface. one even leaked so bad it spew oil everywhere onto the belt and destroyed it. they traded in her car lol. weve had at least 5 comebacks on aftermarket filters thinking it was the techs fault. until we really stopped and looked
Another great video, Mr Subaru. I will do my best to find Japan or Mazda filter for the FB series engine in my 2019 Crosstrek. I really love your channel. It this kind of content that makes me glad that TH-cam exists...LOL Keep up the excellent work.
I just ordered the Tokyo roki one from a dealership in Subaru Miami after getting the emergency filter for first change. I’ll change it at 3k miles and out the black one on. Everything you said about the box for the Tokyo roki was on point. What do you think about KN filters for these cars? It’s my first Subaru after being a Chevy guy for years and I love it. Got a 2023 forester wilderness in crystal silica black
Why not just use the Purolator Boss PBL14461 filter? I have cut one open and looks to be just as good if not better than the made in Japan filter and its easy to find and cheaper, and its made in the USA.
FRAM filters used to say in their advertising “pay me now or pay me later” like they were a better investment over other brands. Obviously this was before everyone learned how poorly made they were! At this point FRAM simply represents the benchmark for hot garbage in filter comparisons and testing.
In the 1980s and early 1990s, FRAM was the best testing oil filter by Consumer Reports. Then the company started getting bought and sold and spun off and all the other corporate do-si-dos and game playing with money, instead of making excellent products. Like so many other once fine companies, they took an excellent name, cheapened the product and ran it into the ground.
When you recommend a Mazda filter you have to make sure that the oil flow in a Mazda engine is similar to the flow in a Subaru engine. Otherwise you may end up with the oil bypassing the filtering media in the Subaru engine. The Subaru BRZ oil flow is about 50 l/min at max RPM. So 5 litres of oil circulate through the motor 10 times a minute. Other Subarus engines are a bit slower but the flow is still high compared to other cars.
Not sure why the algorithm showed me this today, but I happened to have a handful of AC Delco branded filters, and I have to say aside from the sticker that says AC Delco on the side, these look identical in every way
Something to mention on bypass valve,
WIX is the ONLY oil filter to my knowledge that specifies the bypass valve pressure, and its identical to what subaru requests.
yeah wtf it opens at 160 kPA (23.2 psi for the sti 2005 )
I've heard nothing and seen nothing but good things about WIX
@@randywl8925 Actually the oil filter opens on each cold start. It closes when the oil comes up to temperature.
@@randywl8925 cold oil
Wix is 27…. Sooo…..
I’ve been a mechanic for 47 years. I did this same thing years ago trying to find the best filter for my customers. I was very shocked at how terrible Fran filters are. They are such a well known filter that is absolutely JUNK as you’ve proved. I can’t stress this enough to people how critical this is. Keep up the great videos and I hope a lot of people will listen to the truth you speak. Thanks
I absolutely agree. However, the Fram Ultra is one of the best filters on that market that is readily available on the shelf. I would venture to say they are as good or better than the Tokyo Roki filters.
@@cpftank09 I run the fram titanium and run the Tokyo Roki filters on my frs. You won’t see any cardboard end caps on the Fram Ultra or titanium. The orange can Fram filters are what they are a cheap bargain filter meant to be changed at 3000 miles. It will get you by but it isn’t anything special. Run the Tokyo Roki, wix, Mobil one, Bosch or Fram Titanium. It’s a roll of the dice running a cheap filter it could be okay or it could prematurely ruin your engine.
@@brianeighties4481 exactly. I’ve seen the cut away of the titanium and it’s impressive, looks like the “old” Ultra. But the Ultra is almost half the price and I doubt Fram made it worse when they revised it recently.
Nothing from Fram compares with Wix it’s above anything. Even Subaru original equipment. 🤦🏻♂️ 🤖 🤖 🤖
@@erickamekonapeper4007 I haven’t seen any filtration tests to indicate that the Tokyo Roku is any good. Yet there independent filtration tests on the Fram Ultra and it has some of the best filtration and flow rates out there. Wiz is good too, but not available everywhere.
The "emergency" filter is nice. I hope they keep that one. I'm using the lower profile wider filter for the STI on my 23 Outback. At least that's what my dealer put on when I asked them for the Japanese filter equivalent.
The USA made Subaru filter is also the same as the typical 15400-PLM-A02 Honda oil filter and we don’t seem to have an issue with getting them yet. However if you have want a Japanese made Honda oil filter that’ll work on your Subaru, Mahle makes the Honda 15400-RTA-003 oil filter. Nissan also makes Japanese made oil filters that’ll also work with your Subaru.
You’ll notice no difference using any of these!
Funny you mention that because I’m an Infiniti tech and found out 9E01 Nissan part number V8 filters also fit Hondas
I work at a Honda shop and have used the PLM A02 for forever:)
@@slowwrx1049 gone are the days of the sweet filtech made A01’s! 😢
@@nicknewyen I still have a few unused ones somewhere around here
Then it should be the same as Yamaha's 5GH-13440-xx oil filter
I just learned about the bypass valve on oil filters! Makes sense!
I own a shop that rarely works on anything other than European cars, but I do deal with filter failures a lot. What I can say is you guys are looking at quality criteria that may not really matter. One of my favorite brands , and an OE brand for BMW and Benz uses foam end caps ! I'm not sure the end caps made by fram would be a problem. I guess to test it, you could throw it in boiling water for a few hours and see what comes out? Most of the cars I deal with use insert type filters, and failure is readily seen during service. A very common failure is of filter media collapse due to improper filter media manufacture. The media, is (I believe) cellulose base soaked with resin(?) and after a while operating in the engine, absorbs some moisture. The cell fibers swell and stop flowing oil. Long service intervals made possible by synthetic oil and winter operation aggravate the problem. I've seen this fault on filters that come in from a cars serviced with "STP"( had "made in USA on it), NAPA Gold, Service champ(?), and unbranded "made in China" filters. I have saved examples to prove it. I have had customers towed in with sized engines from this. 5 in the last ten years, but more than a dozen filters in that time from a wide range of cars. This includes a Napa gold that I bought last year for a Volvo V70 , and the next time the car was in for service, the oil filter was obviously affected. Instead of having straight sides, the filter looks like an hourglass shape that I typically see from this type of failure. To the credit of the Napa store I bought it from, the owner took pictures and got on the phone right then and made the right people aware of it. Now I stick with Mann, Mahle, Hengst, or Kencht (Purolator, now made by Mahle) . No doubt there are other good brands. Just not for me.
Well said.
Water makes paper fibers weak. Oil actually makes paper fibers stronger. You'd probably need to try that with boiling oil...
I’ve been a mechanic for 56 years since the 90s and last time I check Toyota also makes those filters for the subuyotas
You should import those black filters and resell them to your viewers 🤔
Yes! I would buy. Support small business!
lol you can buy them from import image racing for $11 each
He should import those filters and give them to his subscribers 😎
The Mazda RX-8 oil filters are black Mazda-branded Tokyo Roki units not too different from the Subaru 15208AA160. It supposedly has the same bypass valve spec.
yes please
I went down this rabbit hole years ago trying to find a good quality filter. Oddly after HOURS of comparing datasheets and reading all witch way of forum posts I also discovered the Mazda filter as a direct fit replacement. Now granted all mine are EJ engines but as I recall the specs match close enough that it works out alright. My local Mazda dealer needless to say was incredibly surprised when I told them these are also Subaru filters in the JDM.
Mazda filters do not have anti-drain back valves on most of their filters. The one mentioned is the exemption.
Use Purolator Boss filter been using it for years definitely the best filter.
@@dwendt44 that's not a problem for the EJ-series engine since the filter is mounted on the bottom. It would not be recommended to grab a Mazda filter on newer FA-series of engine.
I’d advise against this, the bypass valve and it’s spring will probably be a much different pressure and spec required to activate them compared to the one for your vehicle.
@@Rekt-M8-v4 The bypass pressure setting is similar if not the same for most all Asian manufacturers. 13 psi.
Hi Mr. Subaru,
I have a 2008 Outback that I bought while living in Montana. I went to the local NAPA store to get an oil filter (no Subaru dealer within 100 miles). The owners are huge Subaru fans and told me that the NAPA gold 1334 filter (made by Wix) is much better than the 1/2 a beer can size stock filter. They explained that the relief valve pressure (bypass valve and values) are the same - as is the threading, oil passages and fitment. That was in 2014. I've been using them ever since and have had no issues whatsoever. The NAPA gold 1334 filter is quite a bit larger but it really isn't any big deal.
Thank you for your time, Doug
looks like same application as the Purolator 14459! spin on that's listed for basically all the Kia/Hyundai engines that don't use cartridges, some of the STIs, and a couple of the old DOHC timing belt hondas :)
The interim filter is definitely an "e-core" design made by Champion Labs. They make filters for AC Delco and a number of private labels including including SuperTech (Walmart). While I prefer WIX and Purolator One, I have no qualms grabbing a SuperTech filter in a pinch. They're cheap, yet still far better made than Fram.
I also think they are a good filter! It would be a good thing if Subaru USA switched from Fram to Champ Labs permanently IMO.
I have used them, and they're "ok". I also prefer Wix/WixXP, Purolator One/Boss filters.
Fram and Champion labs are the same btw LOL. Champion labs is part of "Fram filtration"
@@C5Z06CarGuy Fram purchased Champ a number of years ago. But filters sold under the Fram label are still the same awful design with the cardboard end caps, while the Champ made ones retain the e-core style. You would think Fram would incorporate some of Champ's technology into their product, as Champ has obviously figured out how to create a quality product at a bargain price point. Yet they don't. I can only surmise that Fram's crappy design is even cheaper to produce than the e-core, while millions still buy their products anyway because its a "brand name". Why screw with a profitable formula like that?
@@LiveFreeOrDieDHif you can control your competition you can make more profits.
In my country (Chile), is easy to buy the black one filter. Last week I did the 275,000 km oil change with the black filter that I have always used, but the blue filters began to appear since few years ago. Since I saw your first filter analysis and comparison video, the blue ones have rejected me.
That new filter is the same as any "budget" filter from all the big brands. They all come from the same factory from what I recall. Metal end caps with ribbed plastic core and same basic filtration media. Great filters when picked up at Walmart for $3.50 in their ST oil filter line.
Interesting stuff! I don't know why oil filter tear-downs are so compelling to watch.
After watching your original oil filter comparisons, I went online and purchased the good stuff from Amayama. Great price, fast delivery. Recently I needed more filters, and again Amayama to the rescue. Not only were these replacements Japanese spec'd, but even with the added shipping from the UAE, three filters were cheaper then going to my local dealer and getting one crap USA made filter. Thanks again for the great info.
Did you you have to pay any brokerage fees or import duties when you ordered them from Amayama or from the UAE? Thanks
@@JeffreyHall-n9s Nope, just the usual shipping fee. Again, these were cheaper than anywhere else.
Just had my Forester serviced Friday at the dealer and they installed an ac Delco filter. Will monitor the oil carefully but I’m not worried.
The pressure release valve being stiffer in the made in Japan Subaru oil filter has a function. It keeps one side of the Subaru boxer engine from starving for oil while in high speed cornering and tight cornering situations.
Just finished buying and installing this mazda filter on my 06 Subaru Baja Turbo 👍🏼 very pleased nice quality
Wish I saw these earlier, I bulk bought the Made in USA version, and used it on 2 oil changes. I just ordered the Mazda version. Thank you. Mr. Subaru.
I was real dumb to not buy some filters months ago but then again it never crossed my mind that dealerships would ran out of filters.
Dude no one could have foreseen that, yes hindsight is 20/20 but out of stock oil OEM filters?? Never would have guessed it.
@@alexv5581 it’s all fake. Just a plan from the man to keep us down and wanting.
Just got my oil and filter changed at my local Subaru dealer and noticed that they used the new version. I was a bit concerned that it might be a cheap knock off, but after watching your video I would say it's as good or better than the old style.
Dunno if it's just the camera angle... but the cardboard end caps on the original USA filter look so close to the sides of the can id say thats your biggest flow restriction right there. The oil coming in has to squeeze through, what appears to be less then a 32nd of an inch gap to reach the filter media on the sides. The bypass oil (should the bypass open due to restricted filter or cold weather) has to be forced past both the top and bottom end plates though that tiny gap.
After this video I'm going back to the Purolator One filters. They are constructed like the Japan Subaru oil filter and i've had no issues.
Wow, the replacement filter is better, interesting. The new filter is made by champion labs, they hold the license for the plastic core design, and yes they make filters for ACdelco. That design is know as the ECore.
the TH-cam got it wrong so I dont blame you either but its not plastic its glass filled nylon theres a huge world of difference there.
@@thenormalyears lol pa6-gf is a plastic polymer bud. You’re just splitting hairs here.
I switched over to the napa gold filter with the higher bypass pressure and so far so good after some oil testing through an independent lab
Careful. The higher bypass pressure means it may not be opening during cold starts. I say may because I don't know how much higher the pressure rating is on the filter you are using. Are you monitoring oil pressure at start?
I just did my oil change today on my 22 outback. Went to Napa and they didn't have the 7055 gold filter. Went down the road to the subaru dealer and the new filter with crush washer was cheaper than the napa filter 😮
The "emergency" filters appear to be made by Champion Labs, which is ACDelco's supplier. The color also looks similar to ACDelco blue, and the stamping on top also matches ACDelco filters as well, so likely they are buying from Champ Labs and are being sent Delco filters without the GM label.
I was going to say- that looks like the AC Delco blue filters I use on my firebird, both in color and construction
yep and identical to SuperTech Filter at Walmart
I just got an ACD Gold PF2057 for my 2.4…made in USA, similar dimensions, never an issue with ACD filters in the decades I’ve had GMs.
As long as it's not leaking , The filter is good 💯💯💯💯
Nice free information from the good guy Mr. Subaru. Thanks Mr. Subaru.
Mr Subaru is a legend and I'm not joking I'm so thankful for his videos
Although I don't own any import vehicles.... I do keep track of Oil Filter designs and quality........ Baldwin/Hastings and Wix are usually to top-tier that can be easily sourced in my area.
The 15208AA100 filter is the same as a Komatsu filter YM119660-35150 and I believe they’re also made in Japan. They’re pretty cheap too.
I have been running the rx8 filters on my sti for about a year now and they seem to be working amazingly
FWIW, when my 1999 OBW was new, the Subaru oil filters that came on the car, and from the dealer were made by Purolator and said both Subaru and Purolator on them. I have been using Purolator filters in it almost exclusively. I still drive it.
I’ve been using the K&N oil filters on my 04 Forester for the past 4 years and they seem to be very well made and work just fine for me.
Just a heads up for half the price you can buy a Walmart filter and it's the same thing..
Purolator boss Menards sells them they are made by wixs XP it is the older stock they are all made in the USA if they are not made in the USA don't buy them a lot of wix filters are now not made in the USA they are junk
Me too or Purolator boss pbl14615 or AFE part #44-lf017 I usually change my oil filter every 12,000 miles but my oil every 4k. 07 Forester with a manual transmission. I have 172k on it. & Stock everything. Best regular car I ever owned.
I change both the oil and oil filter every 5,000 miles because It’s just been a habit I developed back in the 1970’s.
@@larryechols6060 that is fine. But it makes a pointless for you to buy a high quality filter that's meant to go 15 to 20,000 MI
I'm new to Subaru. I have purchased a 2012 Forester last year for my son to drive. I had my mechanic go through the car and do an oil change right after I got it. I've done the next oil change myself. Now that I've seen these videos, I'm going to check what filter the parts store provided me. I noted it was taller than the one I removed. Thanks for these videos.
Your Japanese own filter looks very much to me like HifloFiltro filters, the crimp Bering larger than the can, the plastic wrap, the round o-ring. I do not know if they sell filters for cars here but there filters for offroad are impressive quality to me and somewhat cheap yet identical to Suzuki OEMs for my motorcycle...
When I bought my Forester, I also got some free oil changes from the dealer. When I learned they were using the blue USA junk I couldn't wait to take over the oil changes. After a lot of research, I settled on the Purolator Boss PBL14615. It's pricy but they claim it uses a superior media to hold up for 15,000 miles between oil changes. As soon as I get the first one off, I'll cut it open to see what the media looks like.
I use the N3R1 filter in my outback XT and use the wix 75112 XP in my legacy. stocked up over the weekend.
Purolator boss is the same as wix XP
The made in USA interim filter looks better! Not surprised Subaru actually had to go more expensive when their cheap supply ran dry. I wouldn't worry about the plastic cage unless you try to pull a crazy change interval and run in the cold. Wrong bypass pressure also not shocking and will save the plastic support. Interesting Subaru is willing to use lower bypass after all the aneurisms on the internet over the years. Still makes me wary of the interim filter. Strangely, most sources say AC Delco filters are made by Champion Labs, AKA Fram. There is also a lawsuit for false made in USA claims. Who knows currently. Tokyo Roki obviously still supreme. How many Tokyo Roki filters do you have in stock, anyways? Hahaha.
I have about 18 on hand of various sizes. H6, Kei, EJ, FB, and Turbo FA sizes.
@@you_can_fuck_your_own_ass_69 Wix is definitely better than Champ Labs. They are part of the Mann+Hummel family now, but had multiple factories and still do. The design is superior. The website says 11 facilities in 8 countries.
@@you_can_fuck_your_own_ass_69 Champion Labs makes ACDelco and Supertech filters, and these interim Subaru filters appear the same. Fram used to be made by Honeywell, as is USA made Honda and Subaru filters, but Fram is now part of Champion Labs. Fram and Champ Labs appear to still have separate filter lines though. Wix is now owned by Mann+Hummel, but I think most Wix filters are still a separate line of filters than Mann filters.
It's been a while since I've gone deep into oil filter sources, but I remember Champion Labs being the manufacturer of a huge amount of filter brands a few years ago, including some of the best and worst on the market.
@@CarsSimplified Yep. All depends on the factory and the specs laid out in the design.
Mazda did acquire Subaru (before it was acquired by Toyota) so It makes sense they might have similar oil filter (and other products). This is great information. Thank you.
I'd love to see your opinion on WIX filters, especially given the OEM blues are out of stock. A lot of aftermarket oil filters have lower bypass pressures (assuming to fit different engines/manufacturers) and the old EJs (and likely FA/FB) require higher to the tune of about 23PSI. WIX was the only filter I could find for the EJ that was the exact same bypass as OEM and has metal endcaps.
Lol wix China now
You should try puralator boss. It's the best oil filter out there.
Wix meets the Subaru specs and Wix makes the Napa gold and platinum filters that will work on Subaru too.
Wix has poor filtering efficiency. Their rated efficiency is with 40 micron particles, as the particles get smaller, wix really has poor efficiency. I actually use Fram (gasp!) ultra synthetic filters. Fram ultra synthetic filters have good construction, and the best filtering efficiency available.
One of his older videos on oil filters he cut open wix and compared it to all other brands witch he cut open also , look into his past videos you should find it , i switched to wix xp from K&N after watching his video , puralator are also good
Could you try to unravel the filter to see the surface area of the filter paper itself in comparison to the different filters ? (on next videos)
i work in the parts department at my Nissan dealership and our subaru branch ordered 120 filters from us because they apparently work with them, our nissan filters work with most hondas and acura’s, i use them on my acura.
I’d like to hear opinions on WIX filters have been using along with Mobil 1…. The WIX filter looks identical to the first black filter in plastic
Super good information. The dealership put a Napa filter on my 18 Crosstrek and I wanted to get the facts before confronting them. I get the filter shortage but they didn't say anything to me about it or charging me full price for an alternative filter
I'm glad I didn't abuse my dealer in my Google Maps review. When I saw this unbranded filter after changing the oil a few days ago, I was shocked. Thought they finally started using fakes.
I met a guy once that sold replacement filters that did not use paper media or bypass valves. He used a fine stainless mesh. It was user serviceable. You could tale it apart, wash out the mesh and reassemble it. While I have my doubts that it filters down to the level of paper media, it seems the ultimate filter would be a combination. A washable stainless mesh with a replaceable paper media behind it. You would then need a bypass for the paper media at startup. Most people don't realize that a paper media won't flow any oil when it's cold. It goes to full bypass, which filters nothing during this time. It would be good to have the stainless mesh in place for this. I also believe that Subaru is reducing the effectiveness of the filters by mounting them upside down. Gravity helps keep the particles in the filter once they are captured. The fact that it has to bypass at startup means that large amounts of particles can escape the filter at once.
Thanks for making this video showing the difference between the OEM and replacement filters.
My '23 Crosstrek 2.0 liter came with the 15208AA160, and I just bought a half-dozen on eBay.
The filters are not fully wrapped but the end wrap does not have the hole through it, and it doesn't cling like shrinkwrap over the end of the filter.
The part number on the box is printed, not a sticker, but in the upper right corner of the label it says _FUJI HEAVY INDUSTRIES LTD_ instead of _SUBARU CORPORATION._
The sides of the box have the six-star logo and the text _SUBARU GENUINE PARTS_ and the side opposite the part number has a picture of a filter, the six-star, and the text _SUBARU._
The word _ENGINE_ is not printed on the end of the filters, but neither is it printed on the original equipment filter in the car.
The box is closed with a single drop of glue, not an array of dots.
The gasket has a square edge profile instead of an O-ring.
Counterfeit?
38 years a Subaru tech and shop owner. within some reason oil filters and oil brand don't matter that much. We build tons of 2.5 turbo and non turbo engines and what kills Subarus is low oil and/or too long of change intervals. Keep it full to the line and change it 3500 to 4500 miles if you want to get high miles out it. 99.9% of all engines we build have 1 or more failed rod bearings this starts from running with low oil and long change intervals.
Or use Wixx ones since they're just as good if not better. I use Amsoil oil and filters with no problems.
Purolator boss is made by wixs I have noticed though a lot of wix filters are made overseas now
Great video. Very informative. When you take the used cartridges out, pulling out the cellulose filtering media could show how much, if any, garbage gets caught...
The Subaru filter with the spiral metal tube inside is more eco-friendly because it will recycle easier than the other filters with the phenolic cage inside. The first step in recycling oil filters is to crush them, and when you do that with the plastic cage inside, it breaks down into a lot of little pieces that can't be recycled with the rest of the metal parts in the filter.
Where do you take the filter to recycle?
@@jerryyoung6494 A lot of places that change oil will recycle them for free, just call. They don't like to do this, because it is extra work for them, but many will do it if you're polite about it. I also think it's the law that any place that sells motor oil has to offer recycling services.
Interesting tip on RX8 filter!
Thanks!
Great video. Can you please follow up with an analysis of the ACDelco replacement filter after running it for the interval. Thank you.
Snagged my free oil change on 22 Crossie and they gave me a blue made in USA noname. Changed it to WIX next day just in case.
Mr. Subaru do you do oil changes and services, we just got a new Crosstrek sport (CGK) and it's coming due on first oil change. We live in Camden SC. Where are you located? Would love to meet you! Love your videos and greatly appreciate the time and effort you put into these very informative 👍
I have used Premium Spin-On Engine Oil Filters by Bosch on my 2013 Subaru. Seems to be doing fine as they are pretty good quality filters I have used in my past on other cars.
Pay for Purolator BOSS filters if you want high-mileage, high-strength and more media and twice the exterior metal casing. Strong relief valve, and backflow seals. Depending on them, they are $8-15 each.
Yup, I run this for a year up to 12k on a gen4 outback and the oil analysis is perfect. At 115k miles now. This is with pennzoil ultra Plat oil with nothing added.
I see a lot of Fram hate here, so I’m going to say that the Fram Ultra Synthetic (XG series) filters are really nice compared to their other offerings, while still being very competitively priced. I don’t blame anyone for blasting the extra guard and tough guard filters, but I wanted to say that the brand isn’t bad all the way through the lineup.
PS: the XG7317 would be the long filter and the XG6607 would be the short filter
Excellent video. Thank you so much for the Mazda alternative. I wonder, if you cut the filter media on the blue USA one and the blue "emergency" one, would the filter medias measure the same if stretched out flat on a table. Really more for curiosity though. I always grab a K&N Oil filter, that is until now when I'm going to go get me some Mazda ones. 😁
02 2.5 N/A in my VW vanagon I've used Purolator, Wix and Mobil-1 filters for 20 years.
Thank you for your videos. Re synthetic oil, Subaru, Mobil One, or other. Also Outback says 0w20. Thin?
I run the Subaru factory Idemitsu oil.
Haven't had issues running Wix 57712 XP filters on my 2.5L EJ Turbo ('14 WRX) nor the previous blue OEM Subaru filters on 3-4K mi OCIs. Currently trying out the Mazda black filter (N3R1-14-302) and it's visibility better than both as well as being able to take in more pre-fill oil before installation (more capacity & filtration). I use Motul X-Cess Gen2 5w-40 engine oil as I live in a hotter climate and am modified a little past "stage 2", although oil brand/weight doesn't seem to matter much as long as you're changing it in the proper intervals.
Been using the Mazdas for a 2012 wrx and 07 lgt
Excellent work man! Gonna get the Mazda equivalent for my ‘22 Forester, I hope they have it where I am in Canada. Keep it up and thanks!
If people are looking to buy the OEM Black Tokyo-Roki filters, I recommend US based resellers Import Image Racing (IIR) and Subiemods. IIR is where I get the Oil Change Kit for my 2022 WRX and I've no complaints on price and OEM parts included, minus the oil being Motul 0W-20 instead of Subaru-Idemitsu oil
4:57 Yikes. Yeah when my son gets his new WRX in spring, I think we won't be using Subaru branded filters, if THAT's what they are. :( I've always liked Wix. I just checked a few videos with a Wix oil filter cut open compared to other 'leading' brands and that seems to confirm Wix is doing a lot right. I think that'll be my choice.
Wix is also one of few companies to offer the correct BPV spec.
Purolator boss is made by wixs it is the same as the XP line. And if you have a Menards near you they saw them there and they are a lot cheaper than the parts stores
My brother had his Subaru Crosstrek's engine oil changed last week at the dealer, they put in the emergency/alternate oil filter.
So, despite all the pearl clutching on BITOG and other forums, it seems that Subaru does not consider the 23psi bypass pressure to be absolutely critical. That's what I got out of this video. Thank you Mr. Subaru! It makes my filter choice easier.
I found the AA100 Tokyo Roki Japanese filter at my local Autozone. The taller OEM filter they had was the generic, unlabeled blue one. Hoping they get the Tokyo Roki in stock. That said I wouldn't worry about using an aftermarket filter like Purolator or (trigger warning) a FRAM either.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Subaru ends up turning to Denso to supply filters give the relationship Subaru has with Toyota. Toyota, Yamaha, and more recently Mazda have been using their made in Thailand filters for the US market. Not as nice as the Tokyo Roki filters, but plenty of Toyotas have gone 300k plus on the Thai Denso filters.
Subaru bids parts to the cheapest supplier. I highly doubt Denso will be the cheapest
Several filter manufacturers have or are using "fiber" end caps. Wix, Chap Labs, A/C etc.. The fiber works well enough. All it does it direct oil to the outer side of the media and keep oil from flowing around the media to the inside.
Im glad I stocked up on my oil filters, good info!
I've never owned an import but this was such a well made and informative video I had to watch the whole thing!
AC Delco does not make filters. The AC Delco filters used on the assembly line where made by Delphi for General Motors assembly back when I worked for General Motors. The AC Delco filters you can by at the Delearship and Walmart etc....are made by Champion Labs most of the time. The Plastic E-Core interior core support is a dead give away that this is a Champion Labs Filter. In the past Champion Labs made K&N, Mobil-1, Bosch, STP and many other's. They will build what ever you ask for you can order of a menu with regard to design elements you want that they routinely do. So bypass, can thickness, filter media type and amount, bypass type etc....
Currently the Walmart brand 'Super Tech' oil filter is the exact same as AC Delco PF47E, which is the GM filter that fits a whole lot of cars
Thank you for posting this. I have a 2019 Forester Touring with the FB-25 engine. If I understand what you are saying...the Mazda N3R1-14-302 will fit my engine and is spec'd the same as the Subaru filter for this engine? I've read some of the comments stating that Purolator and Wix are good filters. I found a Purolator L14460 on Amazon and have ordered that. I will look at Mazda filters as well. I agree the Fram filters look like trash. I don't want cardboard fibers getting on my bearings. And yes, I do get oil and filter changes regularly.
You can order the black Tokyo Roki filters from Flatirons Tuning out of Boulder,CO. That's where I order mine from for my 05 STi. Also they have a rewards program that's a nice incentive to order from them. Also want to add that RCM makes a filter now as well that Flatirons Tuning sells.
Thanks to you, my friends Liberty GT Wagon only gets the Mazda filters.
The emergency replacement is higher quality than the filter from Subaru lol 😆
and another great production....thanks again for keeping peeps informed.......and passing on great information
My dealer put in an STP branded blue filter in our Crosstrek on the last service 3 weeks ago. Once the free changes run out, I’ll be running something higher quality.
You need to remove filter material and measure length to compare old to new filter.
Interesting video! Don't you guys get your hands on Bosch? Here in Europe, especially in Holland where I'm from, Bosch is a very big thing. Literally 90% of all filters, brake parts and sometimes spark plugs (I prefer NGK) I replace are usually Bosch.
I use Bosch stuff but they're kind of the solid choice that's often overlooked. In general I think the average American perceived premium filters would be Mobil1, K&N, and then Boutique filters (Royal Purple, Amsoil, etc). Then you have a history of people who swore of Fram in favor of Wix who is now a part of Mann+Hummel. So now we have the Mann/Wix/NAPA Gold /Purolator line that a lot of people subscribe to and then Fram Ultra got a huge boost in popularity. I think they'd be along the line of Mahle Hengst. Then you have your Bosch/STP/Carquest/Fram, Silver grade, Good enough filters Walmart house brand filters.
You have filtration and flow and a lot of the Japanese manufacturers traditionally have more flow than filtration which if we're being honest is probably substantially more important to an engine. I always avoided Fram due to some stories of issues on Hondas chasing oil pressure issues, but now they're the OE manufacturer for Honda. I try to get the slightly higher line of Bosch filter if I can't get my hand's on something from Mahle or the Mann lines.
I think many of us are afraid of cheaping out on basic things especially when the cost difference is so low, but the reality is that most people don't change their own oil and cars all over the country are running on bulk service filters from Bosch, Carquest, etc without issue. It's like people insisting that oil filters require metal endcaps and a coil spring because it looks heavier duty. Size, strength, weight, and cost are associated with quality and durability for the general public and the general maintenance tech. Engineers create something that serves a purpose cost-effectively and so many of us think we can outdo engineers with their budgetary constraints. Myths run strong here and marketing doesn't make it any less confusing as well as lack of transparency when the products are revised so we have these weird hangups. Even Toyota shrunk some of their oil filter with a revision spec and people lost their minds. To be fair though the information is hard to gather, keep track of, and stay up to date.
I stopped using Bosch on my Subarus because they would always start seeping or leaking before my normal 5000 mile oil change.
While the regular off the shelf Fram is cheap like the USA Subaru filter the exception is the Fram Ultra Synthetic filters. Very good quality and synthetic media filtering. Easily available and at a decent price. If you are using full synthetic oil in your Subaru spend a bit more money and get a good quality synthetic oil filter.
The Fram Ultra filter has a synthetic blend media just like any other filter. Which is not a bad thing. The old synthetic Ultra is not produced anymore. By the way, cellulose fibres remove more soot from oil than super duper synthetic filters. So synthetic blend filters are better in terms of overall performance, not just useless efficiency numbers.
Subaru specs much higher bypass valve pressure than other makes, at least for the EJ. I don't know why, but that may explain some of the difference. Many filter companies spec the same filter for EJ and Mazda BP (Miata) applications, because the cans are the same size, while others such as Wix make a Subaru specific part number with the higher bypass pressure.
The bypass valve pressure is irrelevant if the delta P across the media is less than the valve pressure. Basically the bypass valve should never (seldom) open. Subarus engines have very high oil flow at high RPM which creates higher delta P. The Honda S2000 filter has the same bypass valve pressure setting because of the oil flow. If you use a bigger filter than the OEM filter than the bypass pressure is not a significant parameter since the larger media creates less resistance.
The interim filter is completely identical to the $2.99 Walmart Supertech
The filtering media might be different. The OEM Subaru filter made by Fram uses totally different media than what Fram puts in their Extra and Tough guard series. You will never find a torn Subaru filter made by Fram.
Do a video showing the premium FRAM filter that filters down to 3 microns when the Subaru only filters 20 microns.
"FRAM TG16 Premium Filter"
They are the ones I use on my Jeep
went to my 2 local Mazda dealers and bought out their 302s. both dealers only had 2 in stock since they are for RX8 which arent on the road as much as the other mazdas.
14:13 the perforated inner brace/support appears to have vastly different hole count. minor difference likely in OEM spec and they're both better than US filter but maybe not an exact rebadge/print
2009-2011 mazda rx8 oil filter is produced by the same japan factory that produces the black subaru filters and its easier to obtain in the US and has a little larger filter capacity
hey just be sure to inspect the o ring and its the same style, weve been using aftermarket filters at my dealer and some after markets will leak sue to the type of o ring is used on the filter, the ones ive been seeing leak is the ones hat have a large flat surface. one even leaked so bad it spew oil everywhere onto the belt and destroyed it. they traded in her car lol. weve had at least 5 comebacks on aftermarket filters thinking it was the techs fault. until we really stopped and looked
Another great video, Mr Subaru. I will do my best to find Japan or Mazda filter for the FB series engine in my 2019 Crosstrek. I really love your channel. It this kind of content that makes me glad that TH-cam exists...LOL Keep up the excellent work.
So glad Hyundai-Kia blue filters are of high quality and don’t have to worry about all these different types of filters like Subaru…
I just ordered the Tokyo roki one from a dealership in Subaru Miami after getting the emergency filter for first change. I’ll change it at 3k miles and out the black one on.
Everything you said about the box for the Tokyo roki was on point.
What do you think about KN filters for these cars? It’s my first Subaru after being a Chevy guy for years and I love it. Got a 2023 forester wilderness in crystal silica black
Long live the mazda filter!
Edit: though, I've been running it on an EJ, and others I know do too, are you sure you didn't misspeak at 14:23?
Thinking the same thing. Don’t think they fit F Series.
Why not just use the Purolator Boss PBL14461 filter? I have cut one open and looks to be just as good if not better than the made in Japan filter and its easy to find and cheaper, and its made in the USA.
FRAM filters used to say in their advertising “pay me now or pay me later” like they were a better investment over other brands. Obviously this was before everyone learned how poorly made they were!
At this point FRAM simply represents the benchmark for hot garbage in filter comparisons and testing.
In the 1980s and early 1990s, FRAM was the best testing oil filter by Consumer Reports. Then the company started getting bought and sold and spun off and all the other corporate do-si-dos and game playing with money, instead of making excellent products. Like so many other once fine companies, they took an excellent name, cheapened the product and ran it into the ground.
Tokyo Roki Only! As you should have noticed there less holes in the internal core of the Mazda filter.
When you recommend a Mazda filter you have to make sure that the oil flow in a Mazda engine is similar to the flow in a Subaru engine. Otherwise you may end up with the oil bypassing the filtering media in the Subaru engine. The Subaru BRZ oil flow is about 50 l/min at max RPM. So 5 litres of oil circulate through the motor 10 times a minute. Other Subarus engines are a bit slower but the flow is still high compared to other cars.
Not sure why the algorithm showed me this today, but I happened to have a handful of AC Delco branded filters, and I have to say aside from the sticker that says AC Delco on the side, these look identical in every way