Nothing compares to the flat six BoxEngine’s organic sound at 8000 rpm, it is a driving instrument. The strong heritage of the Porsche brand will always be prioritised in my own subjective consideration. I do love the Alpine but I will always pick the Cayman R as collector’s keeper.
Steering feel is key for me also, we seem in a minority now days. People who say other wise are deluded :-). NA wins over turbos also. Having ran conti 7, yes more feel, but I found they hated hitting standing water, I still would buy a PS4S for all round use. Conti nice as a fast road more sporty tyre, also slightly more noise and harsher ride with the conti. I am looking forward to the 5S sport.
Agreed but have to say I do prefer the Conti’s over PS4S the grip the Conti have in very cold wet conditions wipes floor with PS4S they also have more feel which I like so for me the ContiSport 7 will be my go too road tyre now prefer them over PS4S.
@ I think you might change you views, yours are brand new, also when your other half hits a puddle she will demand you swap them for PS4S because it will scare the life out of her, imo still the goto all year round tyre and will last twice as long. PS4s work till they are 1.6mm my conti were crap after not many miles in the wet. But yes as a fast summer tyre it is a better tyre if you are ok with the harder ride amd more road noise. I feel I can driver faster in the wet on a PS4S. Forget the tyre reviews.
@@Mrdfastcarswe were on motorway today in heavy rain and some deep flooded sections with under 5c temps and they seem to handle water fine. I tend to drive to conditions so if there is lots of standing water I drive under 70mph and slower and today the Conti’s had no issue but as I say I drive to conditions. I like my cars to give most feel and be fun and engaging, for this reason I won’t be fitting PS4S again as Conti is better
@@Gibbo205 come back to me after 3 k miles :--) I won't be using coni 7's again I would say unless the car was going to see a few track laps also and I did not want to run cups or Ao52's. too many negatives for me over the PS4S.
Aesthetically, I think the Alpine is “interesting”, but the Cayman R is more classically timeless. The curves, subtle hints at a flying buttress, rear haunches, and overall look are 👌🏽!
McLaren steering is the best, they just seem to get it sport on and the sport series in my opinion have nicer steering over super series as sports series have very natural weighting and more feel, they are more akin to say a 996 GT3 steering or older Lotus so really good. 570S are amazing buys at moment!
Short gears are for rally cars, long gears are for track cars. The reality is the gearbox and engine in the Alpine aren't great, whereas the 3.4L NA is the Cayman is a peach and the gear box is world class - you are way off base here. Important and substantial differences. Alpine good concept poor execution. Any of the equivalent aged NA Caymans blow the doors of the Alpine e.g. 4L GTS, 718 GT4, 718 Spyder, Spyder RS and GT4 RS. You are comparing cars from almost different eras.
Short gears are for the road, longer gears are for the track and to making the 0 to 62 numbers look better. There is no excuse for long legs when there are 7 cogs, a high revving engine and extra weight.
@@user-xu5vl5th9n Porsche have always been long geared because their owners use them on track and enjoy them on both road and track. I'm not interested in short geared cars, they are crutch for turbo engines. The only people that complain about Porsche long gears are non-owners and non-track people. Long gears give you higher speeds if you don't like it don't buy a Porsche.
@@Gibbo205 No they don't on track and they don't if you have a good torque curve. Many Porsche owners track their cars, thats one of the reasons they buy them - long gears give you higher velocity per gear. Tracks can be broken down into slow - medium and fast, slow tracks are 2,3,4 gear dominant, medium are 3,4,5 dominant and fast are 4,5,6 dominant (crudely speaking). Look up short shifting as a driving technique particularly in a high revving Porsche with a broad torque curve. Porsche build quality engines the 3.4L used in the 987(.2) R (~330HP/ 370Nm) and 981 variants e.g. GTS (~340HP/ 380Nm) is an excellent engine and was used as the engine for the base 991.1 911 (~350HP/ 390Nm). There really isn't much comparison between a 3.4L NA engine mated with a PDK gear box (most willingly acknowledge this is best in class and was originally Le Mans derived) and a Renault 1.8T mated to an average DCT. The Alpine is a great experiment but it should have been finished with a decent engine and gear box, its the same mistake Lotus made.
I disagree having owned cars with long gears and short gears, GT3 vs 458 for example the 458 was more fun on track and a lot more fun on the road due to have much shorter gearing. With a DCT gearbox and 7 or 8 gears shorter gearing aids acceleration.
Nothing compares to the flat six BoxEngine’s organic sound at 8000 rpm, it is a driving instrument. The strong heritage of the Porsche brand will always be prioritised in my own subjective consideration. I do love the Alpine but I will always pick the Cayman R as collector’s keeper.
Steering feel is key for me also, we seem in a minority now days. People who say other wise are deluded :-). NA wins over turbos also. Having ran conti 7, yes more feel, but I found they hated hitting standing water, I still would buy a PS4S for all round use. Conti nice as a fast road more sporty tyre, also slightly more noise and harsher ride with the conti. I am looking forward to the 5S sport.
Agreed but have to say I do prefer the Conti’s over PS4S the grip the Conti have in very cold wet conditions wipes floor with PS4S they also have more feel which I like so for me the ContiSport 7 will be my go too road tyre now prefer them over PS4S.
@ I think you might change you views, yours are brand new, also when your other half hits a puddle she will demand you swap them for PS4S because it will scare the life out of her, imo still the goto all year round tyre and will last twice as long. PS4s work till they are 1.6mm my conti were crap after not many miles in the wet. But yes as a fast summer tyre it is a better tyre if you are ok with the harder ride amd more road noise. I feel I can driver faster in the wet on a PS4S. Forget the tyre reviews.
@@Mrdfastcarswe were on motorway today in heavy rain and some deep flooded sections with under 5c temps and they seem to handle water fine. I tend to drive to conditions so if there is lots of standing water I drive under 70mph and slower and today the Conti’s had no issue but as I say I drive to conditions. I like my cars to give most feel and be fun and engaging, for this reason I won’t be fitting PS4S again as Conti is better
@@Mrdfastcars PS4S everyday of the week. Completely agree. PS4S are OEM for the current CGTS (N0).
@@Gibbo205 come back to me after 3 k miles :--) I won't be using coni 7's again I would say unless the car was going to see a few track laps also and I did not want to run cups or Ao52's. too many negatives for me over the PS4S.
Fun fact in the Cayman R wikipedia page there is a image of the exact spec car. :D
Have a better look at the wheels. 😉
@ Looked the same to me.
Great review Gibbo and enjoyed very much. I’m a 997.2 owner and can agree with the hydraulic steering feel advantage 👍😁
Thanks! 👍
Aesthetically, I think the Alpine is “interesting”, but the Cayman R is more classically timeless. The curves, subtle hints at a flying buttress, rear haunches, and overall look are 👌🏽!
The Cayman R is a classic the Alpine due to its compromised gearbox and engine isn't.
Another solid vid - you talked a lot about hydraulic steering but didn’t mention your McLaren? How does that and the other sports series cars compare?
McLaren steering is the best, they just seem to get it sport on and the sport series in my opinion have nicer steering over super series as sports series have very natural weighting and more feel, they are more akin to say a 996 GT3 steering or older Lotus so really good. 570S are amazing buys at moment!
Thanks for the interesting comparison, gibbo. A small piece of advice: Porsche is pronounced Porsh-uh or Porsh-ee. Sporty regards from Germany. ✌
Thanks for the tips!
The a110 looks bigger, chubbier, but has almost half of the size of an engine lol
Performance wise they are both pretty much identical
Short gears are for rally cars, long gears are for track cars. The reality is the gearbox and engine in the Alpine aren't great, whereas the 3.4L NA is the Cayman is a peach and the gear box is world class - you are way off base here. Important and substantial differences. Alpine good concept poor execution. Any of the equivalent aged NA Caymans blow the doors of the Alpine e.g. 4L GTS, 718 GT4, 718 Spyder, Spyder RS and GT4 RS. You are comparing cars from almost different eras.
Short gears are more fun and make sense with cars that have 7 or 8 gears.
Short gears are for the road, longer gears are for the track and to making the 0 to 62 numbers look better. There is no excuse for long legs when there are 7 cogs, a high revving engine and extra weight.
@@user-xu5vl5th9n Porsche have always been long geared because their owners use them on track and enjoy them on both road and track. I'm not interested in short geared cars, they are crutch for turbo engines. The only people that complain about Porsche long gears are non-owners and non-track people. Long gears give you higher speeds if you don't like it don't buy a Porsche.
@@Gibbo205 No they don't on track and they don't if you have a good torque curve. Many Porsche owners track their cars, thats one of the reasons they buy them - long gears give you higher velocity per gear. Tracks can be broken down into slow - medium and fast, slow tracks are 2,3,4 gear dominant, medium are 3,4,5 dominant and fast are 4,5,6 dominant (crudely speaking). Look up short shifting as a driving technique particularly in a high revving Porsche with a broad torque curve. Porsche build quality engines the 3.4L used in the 987(.2) R (~330HP/ 370Nm) and 981 variants e.g. GTS (~340HP/ 380Nm) is an excellent engine and was used as the engine for the base 991.1 911 (~350HP/ 390Nm). There really isn't much comparison between a 3.4L NA engine mated with a PDK gear box (most willingly acknowledge this is best in class and was originally Le Mans derived) and a Renault 1.8T mated to an average DCT. The Alpine is a great experiment but it should have been finished with a decent engine and gear box, its the same mistake Lotus made.
I disagree having owned cars with long gears and short gears, GT3 vs 458 for example the 458 was more fun on track and a lot more fun on the road due to have much shorter gearing. With a DCT gearbox and 7 or 8 gears shorter gearing aids acceleration.
Could you make it more boring?
Thanks for watching 👌