What a great video. Thank you! We know that Vulcans have compassion, love, and appreciation for beauty. They have passions. They know that intellect without compassion produces monsters as surely as does the sleep of reason. We need both, intertwined, and an understanding of how to balance them effectively.
Many would be surprised to know that Surak was actually a computer scientist. His family was wealthy, prosperous, and well known in Shi Kahr. But Surak grew saddened by the everyday reports of horrific violence, nuclear bombardment, and a world out of control and consumer with emotion. He wandered the desert to search for meaning. One item never mentioned, was the "Bloodstone". The Dream Gem of ancient Iconia that Kanda Jiak brought when she accidentally transported to Vulcan, and not Iccobar (An Iconian Colony) and died under its horrible heat and high gravity. Surak found the stone, and realized it had also helped to corrupt any society who possessed it (The T'Kon Empire, Iconian Empire, countless others) and now Vulcan suffers under its presence. The Ko N'Ya is the Vulcan word for the Bloodstone. Sarek held it and it kept him warm in the desert cold of night. An enemy force whose "Swords and armor were as bright as the phasers on their belts" came upon him. Surak lost all his brothers on this awful plain. He was told the Ko N'Ya could revive his brothers. He only said "So they can begin the killing or being killed again"? After he freely released the gem, he knew the only way to save Vulcan and its people were to "End the desire themselves". After the Sundering (When S'task, Surak's most devoted acolyte disagreed and he and others left Vulcan to preserve the old ways). The stone left Vulcan and ended up later on what would be Romulus. For reference, these are excerpts from the book "Vulcan's Forge". So non-canonical.
Vulcans in TOS: Surak teaches true pacifism Vulcans in ENT: We've strayed from Surak's teachings and are at the brink of war agin Vulcans in STD: Shoot first ask their Katra questions
The most disgusting thing about STD, Enterprise showed them finding the Kir'Shara, leading them back to the path. A Vulcan in that age would never shoot first, and ask questions later. Even before this in Enterprise, they had SOME diplomatic relations with the Klingons.
VALERIS: It is of endings that I wish to speak. Sir, I address you as a kindred intellect. Do you not recognise that a turning point has been reached in the affairs of the Federation? SPOCK: History is replete with turning points, Lieutenant. You must have faith. VALERIS: Faith? SPOCK: That the universe will unfold as it should. VALERIS: But is that logical? Surely we must ... SPOCK: Logic, logic, logic. Logic is the beginning of wisdom, Valeris, not the end.
The lesson of IDIC is of course typified by Star Trek Discovery and Star Trek Strange New Worlds. Naturally not everyone has the emotional maturity to embrace such messages. Indeed I struggle with Louder Decks, the shouty ill disciplined incarnationof Trek from a certain perspective. But i would not delete it for those who love it. Long live Star Trek in all its forms.
That's fair. I'm no fan of NuTrek, but I do not wish it removed either. Besides, those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it. Perhaps, if nothing else, it will serve as a contrast for future generations.
@logicplague2077 Nu Trek doesn't exist. It's all interpretations of Roddenberry's concept. He was against religion, you see. But none of you guys disparaging modern Star Trek are consistent in your thinking. If you were, if you genuinely supported his Star Trek. You could not possibly accept Deep Space None. But for some unfathomable reason, you do. Your cut off point, therefore, has nothing whatsoever to do with Roddenbrrry. He invented Ilia, who referred to humanity "a sexually immature species". Demonstrating that he supported some form of sexually progressive agenda. How do we know? Because he used his alien characters such as Spock, to vritiwue humanity from a slightly distanced perspective. But you guys prefer to pretend otherwise.
@@davidsmith5523 Ilia's sexuality was only a part of what she was, it was not WHO she was, that is the part of the message that has been lost. We were supposed to look beyond such things, not focus solely on them. That's the lack of maturity she was speaking of.
@logicplague2077 with redprct that is a very trivial argument. Oarsmount wanted the film she was in to achieve a very wide sudirnc4 certification. Do naturally her sexusl identity could only be hinted at. The key point is that it was written in at all. So we get to the hub of your objection to modern Star Trek. Despite you knowing that it is spculative fiction and that it attempts to predict the effects of social change on society. You can not tolerate it. In this way, you are identically aligned with those women who asked over fifty years ago. "Who does she think she is" about Number One being First Officet aboard a starship in a future set worldscape. Your prejudice exactly echoes theirs. So in what way do you support Roddenberry's vision of a tolerant future. You can not even tolerate the present. Remember that he wanted to include a three breasted woman in his franchise. It is you that has rejected the implications of his philosophy. Not the creators of current Star Trek. Everything detrimental that you say is at odds with what we know of Roddenberry's stated intentions. Perhaps you were never in tune with Star Trek at all?
KIRK: Your Surak is a brave man.
SPOCK: Men of peace usually are, Captain.
[OMG, I love Spock.]
What a great video. Thank you!
We know that Vulcans have compassion, love, and appreciation for beauty. They have passions. They know that intellect without compassion produces monsters as surely as does the sleep of reason. We need both, intertwined, and an understanding of how to balance them effectively.
Many would be surprised to know that Surak was actually a computer scientist. His family was wealthy, prosperous, and well known in Shi Kahr. But Surak grew saddened by the everyday reports of horrific violence, nuclear bombardment, and a world out of control and consumer with emotion. He wandered the desert to search for meaning. One item never mentioned, was the "Bloodstone". The Dream Gem of ancient Iconia that Kanda Jiak brought when she accidentally transported to Vulcan, and not Iccobar (An Iconian Colony) and died under its horrible heat and high gravity. Surak found the stone, and realized it had also helped to corrupt any society who possessed it (The T'Kon Empire, Iconian Empire, countless others) and now Vulcan suffers under its presence. The Ko N'Ya is the Vulcan word for the Bloodstone.
Sarek held it and it kept him warm in the desert cold of night. An enemy force whose "Swords and armor were as bright as the phasers on their belts" came upon him. Surak lost all his brothers on this awful plain. He was told the Ko N'Ya could revive his brothers. He only said "So they can begin the killing or being killed again"? After he freely released the gem, he knew the only way to save Vulcan and its people were to "End the desire themselves". After the Sundering (When S'task, Surak's most devoted acolyte disagreed and he and others left Vulcan to preserve the old ways). The stone left Vulcan and ended up later on what would be Romulus.
For reference, these are excerpts from the book "Vulcan's Forge". So non-canonical.
This would be a good few part series on the history of Vulcan and Surak's teaching.
Vulcans in TOS: Surak teaches true pacifism
Vulcans in ENT: We've strayed from Surak's teachings and are at the brink of war agin
Vulcans in STD: Shoot first ask their Katra questions
A logical analysis.
@@JohnDiMarco It would have been a better analysis if I hadn't left the second "a" out of the word "Again"
The most disgusting thing about STD, Enterprise showed them finding the Kir'Shara, leading them back to the path. A Vulcan in that age would never shoot first, and ask questions later. Even before this in Enterprise, they had SOME diplomatic relations with the Klingons.
A Willie Mays baseball card from Earth?! Where's my checkbook?
That was Awesome. I watched Enterprise when it was originally on, maybe twice, so I forgot all this🖖
VALERIS: It is of endings that I wish to speak. Sir, I address you as a kindred intellect. Do you not recognise that a turning point has been reached in the affairs of the Federation?
SPOCK: History is replete with turning points, Lieutenant. You must have faith.
VALERIS: Faith?
SPOCK: That the universe will unfold as it should.
VALERIS: But is that logical? Surely we must ...
SPOCK: Logic, logic, logic. Logic is the beginning of wisdom, Valeris, not the end.
Somewhere McCoy just went like "FINALLY."
What episode of the original series is the first clip pulled from?
All TOS references to Surak are from "The Savage Curtain."
@@JohnDiMarco Thank you, been many years since I saw that episode and couldn't remember it.
Love this! thank you!
The lesson of IDIC is of course typified by Star Trek Discovery and Star Trek Strange New Worlds. Naturally not everyone has the emotional maturity to embrace such messages. Indeed I struggle with Louder Decks, the shouty ill disciplined incarnationof Trek from a certain perspective. But i would not delete it for those who love it. Long live Star Trek in all its forms.
That's fair. I'm no fan of NuTrek, but I do not wish it removed either. Besides, those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it. Perhaps, if nothing else, it will serve as a contrast for future generations.
@logicplague2077 Nu Trek doesn't exist. It's all interpretations of Roddenberry's concept. He was against religion, you see. But none of you guys disparaging modern Star Trek are consistent in your thinking. If you were, if you genuinely supported his Star Trek. You could not possibly accept Deep Space None. But for some unfathomable reason, you do. Your cut off point, therefore, has nothing whatsoever to do with Roddenbrrry. He invented Ilia, who referred to humanity "a sexually immature species". Demonstrating that he supported some form of sexually progressive agenda. How do we know? Because he used his alien characters such as Spock, to vritiwue humanity from a slightly distanced perspective. But you guys prefer to pretend otherwise.
@@davidsmith5523 Ilia's sexuality was only a part of what she was, it was not WHO she was, that is the part of the message that has been lost. We were supposed to look beyond such things, not focus solely on them. That's the lack of maturity she was speaking of.
@logicplague2077 with redprct that is a very trivial argument. Oarsmount wanted the film she was in to achieve a very wide sudirnc4 certification. Do naturally her sexusl identity could only be hinted at. The key point is that it was written in at all. So we get to the hub of your objection to modern Star Trek. Despite you knowing that it is spculative fiction and that it attempts to predict the effects of social change on society. You can not tolerate it. In this way, you are identically aligned with those women who asked over fifty years ago. "Who does she think she is" about Number One being First Officet aboard a starship in a future set worldscape. Your prejudice exactly echoes theirs. So in what way do you support Roddenberry's vision of a tolerant future. You can not even tolerate the present. Remember that he wanted to include a three breasted woman in his franchise. It is you that has rejected the implications of his philosophy. Not the creators of current Star Trek. Everything detrimental that you say is at odds with what we know of Roddenberry's stated intentions. Perhaps you were never in tune with Star Trek at all?