Game of Thrones left us with no answers! | White Walker Origin Theory | A Song of Ice and Fire

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  • Game of Thrones Season 8 ended without answering one single question about the Night King and The White Walkers! So I started from the begining of A Song of Ice and Fire and got my own answers! In this video I will go into Who made the White Walkers, How they made them , How the breaking of the arm of Dorne is a lie and Why they take babies from Craster! Thanks for Watching! Live Stream Tongiht!
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  • @kusumitasonwani7749
    @kusumitasonwani7749 3 ปีที่แล้ว +128

    It's almost been two years and season 8 is still a sore spot. Watching these lore videos we realize we were robbed of so much of what could have been.

    • @Travis015
      @Travis015 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Its true hbo wanted to do a 13 season but dumb and dumber wanted to finish GOT and move on to their new 200 million dollar contract with netflix they even could have passed the show to someone else but no they were to greedy they wanted to be the only one who directed the shaw and they got what they wanted now they will be forever known as dumb and dumber and funny anough they got kicked from netflix just after one year .

    • @larryb883
      @larryb883 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      For fucking real

    • @rhettr4923
      @rhettr4923 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yep I can't wait for a better adaptation

  • @mattadams933
    @mattadams933 3 ปีที่แล้ว +93

    What's really sad is that David and Dan rushed and stopped caring about the series especially after they surpassed the books. I'll never forgive their laziness and ineptitude because they were reading freaking reddit theories and people were figuring it out and they gave us season 7-8 because of that? It's inexcusable.

    • @ThaRedPitbull
      @ThaRedPitbull 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Agreed. What's the point in working your way into directing/writing one of the most popular shows ever and rush through it? It never made any sense to me. I wanted to see a whole season of the heroes fighting the white walkers but NOPE!

    • @jaimelannister1797
      @jaimelannister1797 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I feel like they’re one of those people who don’t really like Feast and Dance as much and so they just stopped caring after season 4

    • @sleekoduck
      @sleekoduck 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      We were hoping for Gandalf versus Sauramun at Old Town and we got Annakin versus Obiwan in Cleganebowl and something called Danebowl that no one asked for or wanted. I'm still salty about Cleganebowl, it ruined the Hound's character arc.

    • @sophiawilson8696
      @sophiawilson8696 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      My opinion they lost interest after the Red Wedding. Also they were more interested in the political and intrigue of the books than the fantasy part.

    • @sophiawilson8696
      @sophiawilson8696 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@jaimelannister1797 just wanted state my opinion that I love A Feast For Crows.

  • @kylevalentine5431
    @kylevalentine5431 3 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    Last time I was this early, Valeria was still using blood magic to experiment with fire wyrms

    • @sophiawilson8696
      @sophiawilson8696 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      My opinion these experiments with Fire Wyrms started in Dawn Of The Empire. That Valyria was a colony for that Empire.

    • @kylevalentine5431
      @kylevalentine5431 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@sophiawilson8696 you may be absolutely correct, or wrong, but it was still the valerians that did such abominations

    • @sophiawilson8696
      @sophiawilson8696 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@kylevalentine5431 we shall see in books.

  • @allenwolfkill2781
    @allenwolfkill2781 3 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    You know what I would freakn love, is to hear you read the books to us... Now THAT would be Excellent 😎

  • @michaelshelton5488
    @michaelshelton5488 3 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    Night's Queen is like Smurfette. The only female of her species. 🤣

    • @rupertgarcia
      @rupertgarcia 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Omagawd. Lmaooo 🤣🤣

    • @anastaciadawkins8912
      @anastaciadawkins8912 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      This made me laugh 😆

    • @SingingSealRiana
      @SingingSealRiana 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      nice comparison, but there was another female smurf with red braids

    • @sophiawilson8696
      @sophiawilson8696 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I believe the Night Queen was Wraith just like Lady Stoneheart, Jon Snow, and Beric Dordarrion.

    • @zenguru79
      @zenguru79 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@SingingSealRiana That would be the Smurfling Sassette. She was created by the other Smurflings so Smurfette would not be lonely as the only girl. That was later in the series though.

  • @MsEnglishtea
    @MsEnglishtea 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Thank you for the video, Lady Gray❤ just finished watching season 8 with my friend who has never seen the series but read the books. One of her favourite characters is Daenerys...I had to be with her for the last season because I knew she was going to cry her eyes out in the end and be absolutely disappointed...she was exactly that! 😞 It's truly depressing watching Dany go the way that she did all over again.

  • @RiNNYPINO96
    @RiNNYPINO96 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    For my own sanity I stopped watching anything got related but this notification showed up and ooooof course I have to support my fave youtuber

    • @GrayArea
      @GrayArea  3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      LOVE YOU FOR IT!!!

  • @thedragondemands5186
    @thedragondemands5186 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I hope we get more answers in TWOW on the actual geography in the Lands of Always Winter - where the heck were the White Walkers congregating this entire time? Specifically? And maybe it doesn't matter, it's not Angband, but I'd still like to know about the HEART OF WINTER.

  • @gmanor20
    @gmanor20 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Thanks for the juice Edit: Could it have been the sacrifices the first men made that put the Others to sleep? We still don't know what woke them up either.

    • @Matli1804
      @Matli1804 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Many suspect that the tragedy of summer hall caused their return the tragedy of summer hall began the slow return of magic to the world of ice and fire some say the year of the false spring was the signal they returned and winter returned when they did

  • @corbinskywalker
    @corbinskywalker 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Gray Lady returns

  • @SHARKVADERS
    @SHARKVADERS 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    GA!!!

  • @MickeyGreenEyes213
    @MickeyGreenEyes213 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I want to know how Craster knew to sacrifice his sons. If he was told who told him? If it was by accident, the story of what happened would still fill in alot of blanks. How did he know if he gave them his sons they would leave the rest of his family alone?

    • @Rocchio753
      @Rocchio753 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The North remembers?

    • @tammyvincent9417
      @tammyvincent9417 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The Night King or The Great Other could communicate with humans, like Caster.

  • @danjordan1
    @danjordan1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Juice Time!!!

  • @freealbemuth9871
    @freealbemuth9871 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The Night's Queen could have also been the ice equivalent of whatever Melisandre is, rather than a female other. And the original others could have been her "white shadow" shadow babies, which would explain why she needed the night's king's seed.

    • @jaimelannister1797
      @jaimelannister1797 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      But isn’t Melisandre just a red priestess and shadow binder? What’s so specifically special about her? Or am I forgetting something

    • @freealbemuth9871
      @freealbemuth9871 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@jaimelannister1797 well she's been practicing her art for years beyond count and she doesnt need to eat because shes nourished by the fire inside of her. So there's something unusual about her. Maybe all shadowbinders are like that, we dont know, but that doesnt mean the nights queen couldnt have been a shadowbinder who used ice magic instead of fire magic. And maybe the difference between a white walker shadow baby and the shadow baby we see melisandre birth is the difference between ice which can endure for a long time in low enough temperatures and a fire which will burn out relatively quickly

  • @martydavidson6690
    @martydavidson6690 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    The “children’s” sacrifice of their children is even more tragic due to the fact that they live such long lives and are so few in number most of the reproductive pairs have probably either died or aged past their reproductive capabilities which sealed their eventual extinction.

    • @Rocchio753
      @Rocchio753 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Its not tragic. They are an evil, demonic, war-mongering race that like to enslave other living things with their wargs and sacrifice living things to old white trees. Aka “Demonic”. And they manipulate Bran to come North, possess his body, and use him to take the Iron Throne (and take back Westeros). They aren’t peaceful at all. We should cheer their defeat and death

  • @samwheller
    @samwheller 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Sacrifice of Children is a theme prevalent in GRRM's psyche. He was big on weighing in on the Vietnam War kerfuffle. The draft (conscription) was often referred to as sacrificing the younger generation. A solvent theory Lady Gray. Thank you.
    Let's get a coffee someday.

  • @JoniukasVader
    @JoniukasVader 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Gray Area!!!

  • @stephenbyrneireland
    @stephenbyrneireland 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Gray. PG 459 of ASOS. Last lines of Sams chapter. I think it basically tells us what is done with Craster's sons and maybe others. An army. How did Craster discover this? 'If you don't take him, they will.' 'They?' said Sam. 'The boy's brothers,' said the old woman. 'Craster's sons. The white cold's rising out there, crow. These poor bones don't lie. They'll be here soon, the sons.'

    • @GrayArea
      @GrayArea  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yup! Which basically makes Bran’s wildling “to sire half human white walkers” story make sense

    • @stephenbyrneireland
      @stephenbyrneireland 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@GrayArea these last lines are absolutely chilling. Brilliant writing. As where the Walkers when first introduced in GOT ep 1. Bloody show ruined them. In the show, when the wights attacked and made this fecking zombie-like sound, I always wanted to punch walls. If they would have just kept the wights silent, it would have had a more scary effect. At least we have the knowledge that the books will not do this.

  • @kdr3619
    @kdr3619 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    They left us with no answers cause they had no answers. Martin's yet to finish the books, and I doubt he gave them the meaning behind everything else ... if he even has it.
    what they should have done is ensure that Martin reamins a part of creative. Instead, they kept him out.

  • @akustyxmusic
    @akustyxmusic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You and Dopespill have the best voices on TH-cam.

  • @GeminibBorn
    @GeminibBorn 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love these videos and I forget every time I come back to them that she says "Dicked Down by a White Walker" and I'm dead! Hilarious every time! Not what I expect to hear in a lore video 🤣🤣🤣.

  • @destinitaylor4360
    @destinitaylor4360 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Game of thrones left us with a lot 😭 and it certainly wasn’t happiness

  • @bdc2320
    @bdc2320 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cool theory. Could be correct. I’m however going with LmL. AA made the first white walkers. The WWs are an icy version of the shadow babies like the one made from Stannis. One difference is that the WWs can remain in existence long term while shadow babies disappear after completing whatever task they were created to do. So basically WWs are icy copies of AA. Created using magic. (Side note: AA is the Night’s King). The nights queen was probably another wizard or witch from Asshai like Melisandre. But powered by ice magic not fire magic.
    Together AA and the nights queen made the first WWs in a similar fashion as Stannis and Melisandre did. The ritual involves sex, sacrificing babies, kings blood, and god knows what else.

  • @shytguy
    @shytguy 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for delivering us these videos while we wait for this damned book

  • @Aaron-is8yt
    @Aaron-is8yt 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm back baby, been a few years but I needed it after that ending

  • @Stranger69in
    @Stranger69in 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sometimes delaying the enemy is all you need to assure victory or at the very least survival...

  • @aprilvalleyvamp1334
    @aprilvalleyvamp1334 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    In the HBO Game of Thrones Series in Season 8 - technically all the white walkers were men UNTIL Hardhomme!!

  • @beefybreaker
    @beefybreaker 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm still reading the books, but what we know from the series is that white walkers don't like water, despite pulling the dragon out of the water . If you're flooding large swathes of land perhaps it was to stop the white walkers spreading too far. If you look at moat cailin the point of it is that like winterfell a relative few can hold back a great many similarly to the Great wall.

  • @mohammodc
    @mohammodc 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    You should watch Attack on Titan which is also heavily influenced by Norse mythology and to a degree has GOT-like qualities to it.

  • @made-line7627
    @made-line7627 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wonder what powers the Others had *before* being "awoken", and why they were worshipped as "gods" in the first place if they only gained their powers when waking. In any case, it's a really great theory

  • @TipToe67
    @TipToe67 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    infancy perhaps. I still believe there is a Stark and Targaryen connection down the road!

  • @JCResDoc94
    @JCResDoc94 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    *sweet* . youve got it all. gr8 vid.

  • @jeremyschneidt4258
    @jeremyschneidt4258 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The season 8 killed so much of the storylines. A person wonders what what happened to writers who understood stories. Thanks for all the great content.

  • @mishmohd
    @mishmohd 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    hella interesting theory

  • @alexstewart9747
    @alexstewart9747 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Let’s be honest Lady Grey Area.
    George loves mystery boxes to keep his readers guessing and shoehorns in prophecies to keep you hoping.
    Maester Marwyns “Gorghans of Ghis” comment about prophecies being treacherous should tell you all you need to know about those.
    The *last two books* won’t be big enough to get the answers you require so y’all best prepare for Dumb and Dumber Season 8 levels of disappointment.
    Humph....!!

  • @Luke-nn4pm
    @Luke-nn4pm 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I’m pretty sure the great other isn’t a leader of the others or character we will see. Melisandre talks about it as a kind of god, an antithesis to R’hllor. And George has said his world-building is such that we won’t actually see gods or something.

    • @pyramidion5911
      @pyramidion5911 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      All magic comes from the fires deep in the planet and is powered by the "gods" which are basically the collective energy/conscious of all those who have ever lived and died on Planetos. The CotF live in caverns that go deep into the earth, even farther than they know, and they use these fires as the source of their magic. It does get a little complicated because characters like the Great Other may actually be immortal figures accesing the fire magic of the old gods through the weirwoods, making them gods in their own right.

  • @shindari
    @shindari 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I actually believe that the creation of the Wights, and the breaking of the Arm of Dorne, are two separate events, but both were indeed done by the Children of the Forest. Since the Children were not sophisticated enough to build ships, the ancient ones would have had no notion of Men using ships to come across the Narrow Sea, rather than the obvious spit of land, that the First Men used (it was really only the Andals, and the Rhoynar, who came later, who used ships to get to Westeros).
    The Children of the Forest would have had no idea the Andals, or the Rhoynar, existed, therefore, they would have had no concept of navies from that threat, either. To their worldview, the First Men were the ONLY men. It is completely plausible that the Children thought the Arm of Dorne was the sole source of their problems, and would have destroyed that, thinking that it solved the problem (which it did not. But the Children would only have come to this realization after the fact).
    Remember that the Children tried to "Break the Neck," as well, later on, to try and cut the continent of Westeros in half. But they were only partially successful, and only managed to create a near-impassable swamp region, instead. This was because, by that point, their magic was weakening. But they were desperate, and thought they could pull it off anyway.
    While I am certain that the Wights were not created, as they were on the Show, I do believe that they were created using similar methods. But they did this on already-dead First Men. They used Ice Magic to corrupt the dead Men into undead servants, who could fight the First Men on equal terms, on a battlefield, which the Children could not do. Naturally, after a while, the Wights became too much of a force for the Children (who were WAY DOWN, in numbers and magic, by this point) to control. The Wights then became a force unto themselves. And the Children finally had to ally with the First Men (and the Giants) to eradicate them. The result was the war, which created the legend of "The Long Night," and its' ending.
    When the Wall was built, I believe an agreement was struck, between the First Men, and the Children and Giants, that the First Men would go no further north, and that the Children and the Giants could dwell freely, away from human contact, up in the far north. The excuse was the varying "myths," invented by the First Men, to keep people from crossing over the wall, but also to justify the existence of the Night's Watch. Especially as time went on, and humans stopped believing in the tales of the "The Long Night," and therefore stopped believing that the Wights even existed. First Men who were caught north of this Wall being built, were treated, by those in the South, as "outsiders," or "wildlings." They too were treated as monsters, when they tried to cross over. Thus leading to the enduring conflict between the Seven Kingdoms, and the Wildlings. A centuries-spanning conflict that would have completely overshadowed the original intent of the Wall. Until the only justification for the Night's Watch became one of protecting the Seven Kingdoms of Westeros from barbarians, instead of monsters. And so you see how, over time, history becomes mythology for most of civilization.

  • @TheMarauderOfficial
    @TheMarauderOfficial 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    The shattering didn’t have to be unintentional, it could’ve been a mass other or undead making event by drowning thousands of people at once

  • @niloticnya
    @niloticnya ปีที่แล้ว +1

    im a huge attack on titan fan, and the writer had inspo from GRRM when making it. i just realized that ymir is also the name of the first titan in his series. she fell down a hole and suddenly became a giant. i wish you could make a series on it too

  • @sideeyegaming
    @sideeyegaming 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yay! Love that you have twitch! Just followed!☺️

  • @cameroncharles3294
    @cameroncharles3294 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Heyyyy Gray...great theory, but the children sacrificing their own young does not hold up much cause leaf told bran than they are few in numbers going back 2 thousands years ago and they don't breed as often.what do u think.

  • @bambusbjorn3756
    @bambusbjorn3756 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ymir reminds me of AOT. Great 😁

  • @kpax2066
    @kpax2066 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love "Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn" so much. It is an elegantly written wonderful story. The Sidhe are so beautifully described. Their fabric forest city seems lovely. I'm so glad you love it too!

  • @kaceyteague5264
    @kaceyteague5264 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What happened to Quinn? He’s never on there anymore.

  • @kingsadvisor18
    @kingsadvisor18 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have a theory. The Others are to the Children of the Forest what the Children are to humans. An ancient, mythic race to the Children that they themselves thought were gone for good until the magic they used to destroy the Arm of Dorn woke them up.
    My second theory: they are a more scientific race but the people in this world don't recognize that so they think it's magic. Yes, there is real magic in this world but a major theme in GRRM's other books involve primitive people misunderstanding tech for magic. I re read the prologue of the first book and the color changing camo armor the Others use is a dead ringer for the cloakers Predators use. Reanimating the dead is just Frankenstein stuff

  • @KaiusKing
    @KaiusKing 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Those first 5s had me confused af

    • @GrayArea
      @GrayArea  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      smh i didnt even notice it OMFGGGGG LOL

  • @nickycha8428
    @nickycha8428 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for another great video

  • @jakecruz9828
    @jakecruz9828 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My biggest problem with this series is I don't think we'll ever get these answers. When you read a story from one point of view, not finding out things is acceptable. When you given a gods eye, you should eventually find out all. I don't care if I have to read 100 books. At some point I should learn all. There's no point of theorizing if no one ever finds out if they're right or wrong. Hopefully I'm wrong.

    • @TheMarauderOfficial
      @TheMarauderOfficial 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yea why would anyone enjoy just thinking about stuff lol

  • @sanjaydodia8959
    @sanjaydodia8959 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I always had sick vibes when read/listen about Nasty Children of forest. First Children of forest created the great others, second now helping Jon to be Azora Hai so they can defeat the others. This doesn't make sense. I think L&L right, They Guide Jon and Bran because Jos replacement of The Nights King and Bran for Bloodreven. Bad Logic yes I know. Children of forest are more mysterious than the others to be honest.

  • @foreskinpolice
    @foreskinpolice 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I’m back with the juice to get you through the long night! Lolll 😂
    I loveeeeee when she says this lol 😂

  • @rowell669
    @rowell669 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm so glad to see this video. I need closure for my unresolved issues with Game of Thrones. I love GOT, and I was so dissatisfied, and disgusted over the way the show was wrapped up. But not in the same way so many others were. It doesnt bother me that they made Dany the villain, it was the freaking plot holes and loose ends they failed to tie up that pissed me off. And honestly, if I had stayed away from youtube, i might not have been quite as disappointed. But the year off, between seasons 7 and 8, i started watching videos like yours and secrets of the citadel, and I was hooked into a whole other world. I watched videos everyday for hours... and i just started expecting so much more than I guess D and D were capable of. I can think of so many better endings than what we got. And the unanswered questions about the white walkers and crasters sons drives me crazy. And Brynden Rivers, and the 13th lord commander, I just want to know how it all fit together. I guess it doesn't. And that is such a let down. I know that you loved Dany, and you arent too crazy about Sansa, but I think a better ending would have been for Sansa to go fight Cersei with an army, they made this big deal about Sansa learning from Cersei, and then never sees Cersei again. What the hell? It's like they opened all these doors, and then never bothered to go through them or shut them. A good show ties it all up so it all makes sense. GOT, not so much.

  • @Ash.Crow.Goddess
    @Ash.Crow.Goddess 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When the fires of Muspelheim meet the ice of Niflheim, you get a flood. Or a hammer of waters. In the time between winter and summer, you get the spring which brings on rain. Much needed for life giving crops. When all those frost giants (white Walkers) melt, you get a Spring flood. But that's the dream of Spring. Also, Odins parents were Borr and Bestla. Ymir's blood is the water. He was the "great other" in Norse Mythology. In the books, the longer the winter, the more ice there is, the bigger that flood will be. When that Long Night ended, it was so much ice and snow melt, it broke the arm of Dorne. Fun thing to do if you're bored, read about Jon Snow, the Norse version. Look up Snaer mythology. Also, read the lyrics to Frosty the Snowman. It's a fun parallel to Jon Snow.

  • @jayspencer9583
    @jayspencer9583 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    do you think the great other is in fact the blue eyed giant named macumber ?

  • @AUPackmule
    @AUPackmule 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Maybe they are like Dark Crystal’s Skeksis and Mystics. They are the same creatures but split into different species to keep balance in the planet? Just an off the wall thought. I really think the great other is the Night Queen just asleep under Winterfell.

  • @Queenorkhaleesi
    @Queenorkhaleesi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video, Gray! D&D completely robbed us of so much great storytelling! 😡🤬

  • @scion166
    @scion166 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When Coldhands leads Bran and company to the cave, they are ambushed by wights who had been buried by the recent snow (bursting out dramatically like Imhotep's priests in the Mummy). Bran wargs into Hodor, who is a giant of sorts, to fend them off.
    I wonder if "sleeping beneath the earth" is simply a metaphor for any buried dead who have been reanimated by a magic entity. Southerners may mourn their dead for days and bury them (as with Tywin), but the ice magic is stronger in the North, so they burn most bodies before sundown and take special precautions (iron swords) when burying kings.

  • @selinayelof2642
    @selinayelof2642 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Gurl... Would love you to do a video on attack on titan since its got all those same norse mythology connections

  • @edwardmartin5860
    @edwardmartin5860 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Boom,mic ma fkn drop my lady grey don't fuck around yes,love it thnx Grey

  • @TaylorMaid369
    @TaylorMaid369 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love when she theorizes! I could watch these for days!

  • @JNDReacts
    @JNDReacts ปีที่แล้ว

    I think most of your theory is correct, particularly the aspects involving waking gods, but I’m going back and forth on if the Children sacrificed their own young. For one thing, their population was dwindling. Granted, if they succeeded in stopping the First Men then the Children that were left would have their much longer lifespan to repopulate.
    If they did sacrifice their young, I believe it was as a sort of payment to the (c)old god(s) to prove that they were serious about using magic this powerful.
    But what I think definitely happened was that the Children tied a bunch of humans to the weirwood trees and used blood magic to transform them into the Others. I think they probably did kill the humans using dragonglass, and one of the old gods brought them back to life as the Others. This would also be fitting as it’s an even bigger way of using the First Men’s numbers against them.
    Plus in the show we do see a man tied to a weirwood tree, who one of the Children kills with dragonglass. My guess is that that was the simplified-for-TV version of events.
    Also I don’t think this happened on the Isle of Faces. I think it happened farther north, somewhere that‘s now north of the wall: the Land of Always Winter. That’s said to be where the Children of the Forest lived, which means they would have had the advantage there. It could even be that the Land wasn’t actually Always Winter until the Children created the Others and brought about the Long Night. After all, apparently the strangely long seasons hasn’t always been the case in this world, and some huge magical event threw the seasons out of balance.
    Perhaps the god that the Children awoke was the Great Other and that’s who turned the human sacrifices into regular Others. That then gave regular Others the power to turn dead bodies into wights. The Great Other is said to be the enemy of the Lord of Light, the fire god who can also bring people back from the dead.

  • @ScottTreadway
    @ScottTreadway 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I kinda went away after the show went off the air, after having listened to you a gazillion times... so today was the first time I hear that voice in a couple of years. Ahhhh.... it was lovely to hear "Hello my sweet Summer children..." again!!!

  • @jrod5504
    @jrod5504 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think the whole reason that most of the magic from the books was axed, and what was left in was fumbled or pointless, was because David Benioff just was not interested in telling a magical story. He wrote the screenplay for the 2004 Troy and he took all the gods and magic out of the Trojan War as well. Dude just does not like magic. Terrible pick for a writer for a fantasy series.

  • @richfalkiewicz
    @richfalkiewicz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What if the children of the forest sacrifice 1000 men to the wierwoods to convert their own young into the white walkers?

    • @GrayArea
      @GrayArea  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      🤯🤯🤯BROOOOOOO you might be on to something

    • @richfalkiewicz
      @richfalkiewicz 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@GrayArea that way both tales are true about the sacrifice. I hope to catch your live stream tonight

  • @LucidMusicIncRecordings
    @LucidMusicIncRecordings 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    They painted themselves in a corner when they made editorial decisions early on, as you've pointed out, omitting characters and coming up with mainstream friendly plot lines. TV is a terrible medium in my opinion because they take so long to produce and people get burned out or they start hating each other for all the creative differences and mistakes made along the way. HBO GOT is not that unique in how it ended up.

  • @nikyliz14
    @nikyliz14 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    "Breaking the Arm of Dorne" could also be a metaphor for stopping/destroying the first men who came to Westeros by crossing the arm of Dorne. The arm of Dorne could represent them as a whole.

  • @jorgejustice
    @jorgejustice ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm wondering with society-changing so much how much racial issues are made out of non racial issues, how is this going to affect our beloved A song of ice and fire universe.. Will George succumb to the craziness? Will he feel pressured to make Justin Massey travel to the Summer isles and hire 20,000 black trans mercenaries with the Iron Bank's money save the day for King Stannis? Or something similar? You get the point... I just feel like it would be difficult to make the story with today's political climate now. A lot has changed since the late nineties when GOT was first written.

  • @aber416373
    @aber416373 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Others are most likely killing Craster's sons to poison their weapons with the babe's blood, the blood of a warg or dragon rider. This is how the puppet master can raise the dead and control them, through poison. I suspect the puppet master is also controlling The Mountain as a result of manticore venom thickened with sorcery (warg or dragon rider blood). When the time is right to destroy King's Landing, Robert Strong will be key to igniting the wildfire under the city. Who is the puppet master? The Wierwoods. They are sentient are planning to reset society with Ice. This is why the wall is over 700 feet tall if we theorize an inch of ice growth per year. Why do I think the Weirwoods are the puppet masters? The world once ended in fire, nearly ending all life. Those humans who crawled out of the deep underground shelters (Nuclear Winter Fall Out Shelter: Winterfell) thousands of ear ago after the fiery apocalypse had changed, some having become wargs, others around the world dragon riders. And the trees had become sentient and had begun to learn even more through blood sacrifices. Once a warg is wed to the trees, the trees can warg into the human. The Knight of the Laughing Tree was a weirwood who had warged into Howland Reed. To save the world, the weirwoods must keep humans in the middle ages. The ultimate goal of the weirwoods to save the world by destroying Kings Landing, the Citadel, and dragons. Bran won't be king, the weirwoods will. Notice how Bran was "wood-like" in appearance and manner at the end?
    Some say the world will end in fire,
    Some say in ice.
    From what I’ve tasted of desire
    I hold with those who favor fire.
    But if it had to perish twice,
    I think I know enough of hate
    To say that for destruction ice
    Is also great
    And would suffice.
    Man once ended the world in fire due to their hatred for each other. The weirwoods are going to end the world in ice to preserve nature.

  • @larryb883
    @larryb883 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I always assumed 🤷‍♂️ chesters males became white walkers and each individual ww had a threshold or limit of dead they could command giving the need for more Chester children for more ww and walking dead and so on and so forth. Not 100% why I just assumed that.

  • @keighlancoe5933
    @keighlancoe5933 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I personally believe the White Walkers are a living race of beings, just like Humans and the Children. I don't believe they are evil, at all; I think they have a clear and sound motive for doing what they're doing, and it's alot more complex than wanting to kill all life, just because. I think there are probably at least a few thousand of them, and they have their own civilisation in the far north, but they're something like Elves: either they're immortal or extremely long-lived, and though they breed via sexual intercourse they do so rarely because they're immortal. I also think the only reason they want to kill all other sentient life forms is because they keep messing with magic which has caused climate change and natural catastrophes/extinction level events on their planet, which threatens them, so they are pre-emptively striking first out of self-preservation. That's my thoughts on them anyway.

  • @Void7.4.14
    @Void7.4.14 ปีที่แล้ว

    It would make sense why they're different too, maybe a reanimated corpse is one thing, a half human converted by magic is another, etc. Interesting 👊

  • @wendybaptiste4065
    @wendybaptiste4065 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    He did raise females in Hardhome. So they def had female walkers, they probably just didn’t get much airtime.

  • @harrybarber3255
    @harrybarber3255 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Seeing them as the children's weapon is silly show idea. They are the species of the cold lands to the west like dragons are the species of the hot lands to the east. Bran saw that when he fell

  • @rachrach8679
    @rachrach8679 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    A phrase i wasn’t expecting- “dicked down by white walkers” 😂😂😂

  • @michelesilva9491
    @michelesilva9491 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The night king and queen were also sacrificing their babies to the others. So clearly this is something the others need or really want. But why? And if the others were Gods that were asleep in the earth and the children just woke them then we still don’t know how or when they were created. Melisandre also calls the others Gods. Or the great other anyway. I definitely think they are the antithesis of the old Gods. We don’t know how the last hero defeated the others either. He didn’t kill/destroy them because they came back. So maybe he figured out how to put them back to sleep beneath the ice in lands of always winter. If that’s the case, then that’s the key to defeating them again. Omg this is the first time I’ve connected all that. You are definitely on to something girl.

  • @Dragon.um5tz
    @Dragon.um5tz ปีที่แล้ว

    Maybe in the books it is possible that the great other and Jon snow fight to the death boom happy ending nope probably bit more complex than that also I always thought that the white walkers were actually forgotten Weirwood spirits

  • @kellihart2185
    @kellihart2185 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    No Shade,and not that it matters....You sound like a Black woman.👑💅🏿

  • @rhettr4923
    @rhettr4923 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yeah I have a different theory I don't think the others are weapons of the children I think the others can't use the children as a undead force but they can use man. Man awoke the others somehow & all of this the breakings the wall was all done to prevent this.

  • @helmykimmy6431
    @helmykimmy6431 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    i was expect spider biggest hound but they are not appear,,,really makes me sick..

  • @Skclassified
    @Skclassified หลายเดือนก่อน

    If we as a society could go back in time and change one thing. It should be to fix the ending of this show.

  • @hannahp21
    @hannahp21 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think that Craster keeps his daughters so he can keep having children. That way he has many many wives to give him sons to sacrifice

  • @johnsalkeld1088
    @johnsalkeld1088 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    It may be that they were bodyless and then this becomes a source of bodies - i would imagine there are a number of them unbodied but the original sacrifice can only support a finite number - whether the sacrifice gives them a body template i or allows them to inhabit the body it seems that the restriction would be valid - so if the children of the forest had only 13 children at that time then they could only create 13 others unfolding in the forms that the child bodies could have become but frost burning up these bodies - in the heart of winter i would expect these bodies to still be there in the one that preserves - and to end the threat these bodies would have to be destroyed - i do wonder whether the way to block this permanently is for thirteen humans to sacrifice themselves and become other - blocking the true others form access to the world.

  • @bmirkhanzadeh
    @bmirkhanzadeh 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great theory. That's totally make sense. Wish Martin has hired you instead of D&D!

  • @angelaculbreath7564
    @angelaculbreath7564 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where did the “young” come from with the Children of the Forest, if there were only females in their race/tribe of people?

  • @shadyloc4018
    @shadyloc4018 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How does this not have more views?!?! This is one of the most fascinating videos I've watched on ASOIAF! Thank the Gods that we still have a fantastic TH-camr for, GoT/ASOIAF. Thank you GrayArea 💝

    • @jonathaneaton2204
      @jonathaneaton2204 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Season 8 turned a lot of ppl off GoT and the saga of the unfinished books is turning ppl away every day. Sadly, GoT has come to this but a good chunk of fans simply stopped caring since they have no idea if the books will ever be finished. I'm hoping the spinoff series will bring some of the fans back.

  • @shib5356
    @shib5356 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    maybe they called or summoned the white walkers maybe there aliens

  • @shellyreena2192
    @shellyreena2192 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    So dire wolf's. Are you going into detail even though you really don't like the starks?

  • @PharmDMarKai
    @PharmDMarKai 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Girl.. now we are talking .. I get you

  • @hotpiegravy2347
    @hotpiegravy2347 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for this video. It helps me heal for the monstrosity they gave us. 🤙

  • @kristiecollins9187
    @kristiecollins9187 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    No male children, they were all sacrificed, I have thought this all along.

  • @Greysmoke824
    @Greysmoke824 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    How is killing 1000 ppl not a sacrifice?

  • @theferretofoldham
    @theferretofoldham 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love your way of explaining and this was awesome.

  • @blackwidow4564
    @blackwidow4564 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    How did starks get greenseer and warg abilities. This is what we need a show on, not on the targaryens, who we already know about.

  • @blackwidow4564
    @blackwidow4564 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where some of the starks of old white walkers? Is that why they have iron swords across their laps to keep the restless spirits in.

  • @emmasumner126
    @emmasumner126 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Devouring your obsidian night podcasts while decorating and just listened to bran 2 where he falls from the tower and it’s mentioned that Ned calls Bran a squirrel and after listening to this vid and doing some Norse mythology reading, Nidhogg the dragon that’s devouring the roots of Yggdrasil was fed messages from an eagle via a squirrel. I have no idea what that means but it’s interesting! 🤦‍♀️

    • @GrayArea
      @GrayArea  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Interesting INDEED!

  • @bernardmartins1093
    @bernardmartins1093 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ymir the first giant? Now you blowed my mind

  • @dread9030
    @dread9030 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Children of the Forest created the White Walkers to fight the First Men.

  • @toniodivichi5749
    @toniodivichi5749 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    17:38 If only we had this type of cold logic in the later seasons of the show.

  • @dragonstonefirechief
    @dragonstonefirechief 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I missed my juice.

  • @oldnewdude9095
    @oldnewdude9095 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is my favorite video that you have done. Thank you

  • @vinnieharper
    @vinnieharper 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dire Wolf City featuring Nina Gray.