Sounds like the media played a huge part in this, when you compare someone to Jordan as a rookie it's not fair to bash them when they don't become the heir to the GOAT
Nah, it was Vince's injuries that played the part. The fans up there hated players that can't play through the pain. They are still griping about the Kyle Lowry's recent injuries. So the hate is real up there.
Vince: I’m not the next mj!! The media: He’s the next mj!! Vince: *acts like his own player because he doesn’t wanna be the next mj* The media: man why isn’t Vince the next mj he sucks.
Toronto as a city is by far the biggest star potentiality reduction factory. Regardless of the sport, the media and the fans are so quick to send their athletes out to walk the plank.
@MUFC WTH? I agree with you but not the place to do it. This video is a tribute to basketball fans. It’s like showing up to a graveyard and celebrating a party. You’re not in the wrong, but man not in the right place.
As someone who live in Ontario and is a huge fan of Toronto sports, let me tell you, Toronto sports media has got to be one of the worst in North America. They are absolutely brutal (and I know some people who work in it).
ShamaRanks! Tbh as a Toronto fan, no. Toronto sports media is absolutely brutal. Kawhi though was given a soft touch and loved since he delivered what no one had since Joe Carter in 93, a championship. I can rattle off plenty of athletes done wrong by Toronto media (especially Phil Kessel) but Kawhi isn’t one and tbh most fans don’t hold ill will against him for leaving. We understood from the beginning it was likely.
@@connorpierotti8242 Honestly Kawhi going to the clippers was the smartest move since it made the spotlight on him and leave the toxic media of Toronto to prevent any tampering on his fame that was given from his 1 year stint with the Spurs before going to Toronto.
@@MK-xi6xp This is incorrect. Not the part about bad basketball, it certainly was bad. But the forgiveness and love on both sides is what Toronto and Canada are all about. Said as someone who watched that struggle every step of the way.
@@bones_meow I was there the whole way through. He retired today btw. There will be no forgiveness from me. Vince will always be the catalyst of what was the breaking point of my squad.
a bit too early for that. But man, I despise what Leonard's camp pulled against the Spurs. He tarnished the team's excellent reputation of always taking extra care of their players, and also threw the team that built around him off course.
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Man gave his prime to this team and the media ripped him apart for no real valid reason. Like cool, he might of won that game if he didn’t attend graduation, but imagine how heartless it would of been to of broken that long term promise to his mother. His supporting rock throughout his life.
This is the problem when you don’t know what you’re talking about. The graduation he attended wasn’t even his graduating class, he could of easily attended the next graduation ceremony, it wasn’t a like he has to go or else he misses it.
This is so ill informed. Vince quit on his team, was stand offish with media, he just stopped attacking the rim for an entire year and settled for bad jumpers, then he started leaking stuff to opposing teams and forced the Raptors into the worst trade in franchise history. Dude went to concerts while hurt, the graduation ceremony was idiocy to attend and wasn't even his class. Vince treated the Raptors like trash and deserved everything he got.
Media: Vince needs to give his all star spot to jordon Vince: I dont want too but fine ill do it Media: Vince shouldn’t have given his all star spot to MJ
He should have done it right. Weeks ahead of time. Not 30 seconds before the staring lineup was announced during the in-arena intros. Even MJ was pissed.
I forgot about those shirts and signs at NBA games people had during that time when Vince was always getting injured. "Half Man/Half Season"..it was an insulting play on one of his nicknames in Toronto. Mean spirited but was true at that time..also I'll admit it was funny.
That's not fair for Vince, not his fault he got seriously injured in his prime. Happened to Grant Hill, Rose, Tracy Mcgrady. Do they deserve boos? come on now
For so many different reasons, Vince has always been my favourite player. Even towards the end of his career he never ring-chased, instead opting to take reduced minutes on rebuilding teams, acting as a positive force in the locker room of some really young teams. At his peak, there was no one like him. Sure, there were players that shot better than him, played defense better or were better leaders for example, but Vince was the whole package. Of course guys like MJ or Kobe were better players, but Vinsanity was, in my eyes at least, the face of the league and the most exciting talent I've ever seen. What a true champion of the game.
I'm 34 now, vc was always my favorite player. It was so disheartening when he admitted to not trying that hard in Toronto. The nets team was really good, they definitely should have performed better as well
27:41 damn....this is the first time one of these made me feel legit emotional. you could tell the animosity hurt Vince and having that moment meant a lot to him, hence the tearing up from him.
I went to my first nba game this year, it was rockets against Hawks, James harden dropped 60, we all gave Vince a standing ovation when he got subbed out for the last time, it was an amazing first game experience!
Really? Because I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be damned if he didn't go to his graduation ceremony, or if he didn't sit out so much his last season, or if he didn't LITERALLY HELP OPPONENT TEAMS
@@derek7762 Maybe so, but when you're a star basketball player and you appear for the graduation ceremony with all the other students, it sends an important message.
Love how y'all pressured the man to do so much, just to end up bashing him in the end cause the front office sucked ass and couldn't build a team around him with enough time.
I know, its ridiculous. He came in, made the playoffs for the first time in franchise history. Then he leads the team to the first playoff series win, loses by 1 in game 7 to Iverson and the 76ers, and all he got was criticism the entire time.
Raptors FO traded away or let go of potential all stars in Marcus Camby, Chauncey Billups, and Tracy Mcgrady during or right before the Carter era. They were that bad.
@@chop54321 The same thing happens to Luka, because people forget how young he is. The whole "no Rings" thing is kind of insane when the player you're saying it to is a guy in his early 20's doing a hard carry.
@@pewpewTNRight? And people saying Shai is the NEW superstar and S.A.S kept using the word “Kid” to describe Shai and saying things that makes people think Luka is “old” and not realizing that Luka is younger than Shai by 8 months. Bc he’s been good since rookie people thinks he has been in the league for 10 years😂
No one should have criticized Carter for going to his college graduation. He did the right thing. And the critics sent the wrong message to young people when they put basketball above education. Also he was in Philly about 7 hours before the game started. The idea that he missed that shot because he went to get his diploma is asinine.
Basically, the takeaway here is that some sportswriters are complete jack-offs. "How dare he go to his college graduation", "How dare he not compare himself to Jordan", "How dare he have a good relationship with his mom", "How dare he not play while injured", "How dare he dance while injured", "How dare he compare himself to Jordan", "How dare he not give up his All-Star spot to Jordan", "How dare he give up his All-Star spot to Jordan", etc. etc. This beef was almost 80% built by jackasses in the media. I include Charles Barkley in that.
dean smith was far more dedicated to teaching lessons in humanity than basketball ask anyone related to the UNC family be it former players or whatever
@@RVered There's a difference between being a good son and being a mama's boy. At some point you have to draw the line and make sure family doesn't affect the work environment. It's hard for us to say anything since we're on the outside looking in, but Vince admitted that the reason he went to his graduation despite having to play a game 7 that same day is because he wanted to keep a promise to his Mom, it cost them the game.
@@DontDoCocaine Yeah, but you also got a responsibility to the team. I remember Isiah Thomas (Pistons one) also had a playoff game during his graduation, but his Mom went to accept the diploma in his place, so that could have been a potential alternative.
@@Sai4651 Do you think he would have played any better knowing he disappointed his mother like that? Basketball isn't real life. Mothers always come first
Finally someone who actually sees it from the perspective that management was half of the problem Imagine if VC had great management like they do with Masai
Assuming Vince is retired and Lowry still has a career for a few more years, I think Vince should be the first jersey the Raptors retire. We were nothing before Vince. He was 1/2 Man, 1/2 amazing.
No team should ever retire the jersey of someone who quit on them. Lowry is the only Raptor who should have his jersey retired if everyone who ever played for Toronto retired today
@@ReeRap Jordan had passed up clutch shots early in his career as well. Jordan rarely took bad last second shots unless time didn't permit it, we just remember the times he won but he passed out of bad situations early in his career as well we just don't remember them because those were forgettable games. Also, it wasn't like Carter was passing to some young scrub, Dee Brown had been in the league for years, was a decent basketball player, had been in several playoffs and played well in several series with the Celtics, and had shot well from the three point line that year and had hit a game winning shot for them about a week or two earlier. When you are about to get a hard double team you would be stupid to take that kind of shot rather than passing it to an open veteran who has had some big games in playoffs before. Playing hero ball and taking a bad shot is stupid.
But didn't Jordan tell those guys that he'd be looking for them before they even got on the court? Vince's pass there was more of a "I got it, I got it! Whoops, nvm, you take it!"
@@StarryStarryNocturne it depended on how the defense played him, which is why you rarely saw Jordan take a terrible last second shot and most of his last second shots were one on one. The second he would get double teamed he would pass it up, no different than what Carter did. Carter passed it when getting double teamed to an open veteran teammate who had hit big shots before, including a game winner just a week or two earlier. Carter saw the double team coming and rather than force a bad shot he made the smart basketball play, which is precisely what he should have done.
@@markboston9303 it's the differing standards everyone likes to have. When Jordan passed to teammates at the end of games, making the smart basketball play, we cheer him for being unselfish, when other players do it we call them scared and say they choked because they didn't take the bad last second shot we all think Jordan would have taken despite the fact he never in fact played that way.
Much respect to Vince Carter ,I'm from Daytona Beach and it's hard to make it out this hell hole. He achieved more than anybody from my city. 22 seasons in 🥇🏆
That’s not true. You seem to equate how much money one has, to indicate their level of achievement. That’s where you are wrong at. And that’s why you failed to “make it out”. Do you know you could be a Doctor, and accountant, and engineer, a business owner? The problem with black america is that you look up to that wrong people as role models.
Organizations do win championships. The New York Knicks ineptitude demonstrates this, but so does this story about the Raptors. When Vince played for the Raptors they were owned by people who didn't care about basketball. The ownership group included a Teachers Pension fund. They didn't want to take risks. When it came to the Raptors they only cared about maintaining the bottom line and filling the seats. The Maple Leafs were the crown jewel. If the Raps weren't losing money they were happy. That's why Vince said he wasn't dunking anymore. He wanted to win, not entertain. The organization wasn't committed to winning, nor to Vince. And he realized that when they never truly considered hiring Dr. J, who Vince felt could have attracted other star players north of the border. He then found out the organization didn't truly make an effort to acquire Magloire/Nash - Canadian players who might actually want to play in Toronto. The Raptors fortunes didn't change until the parent companies of the two biggest sports media entities in Canada purchased MLSE. Suddenly the ownership group wanted to win and had a vested interest in winning. This is because they owned the broadcasting networks. Think Turner (TNT) and Disney (ABC/ESPN) jointly owning a franchise - that's basically what's going on in Canada. The new ownership group hired Tim Leiweke who openly stated his goal was to win championships and predicted it would happen. He brought in Masai Ujiri and got out of his way. Ujiri also set the expectation that the goal was to win a championship and that he was willing to do anything required to bring one to the city. This type of talk was unheard of in Toronto. The team became stable with ownership, front office, coaches and players. They spent money and retained their incumbent stars. They built a state of the art practice facility and made bold moves. Obviously, Kawhi being the boldest. He came and last year happened and then he unsurprisingly left. Proving what Vince knew all along. It's tough to get star players to want to play in Canada and one player can't do it alone. For Canada's lone franchise success MUST start at the top because players are not lining up to play here. In the end, there were lessons learned by Vince and the Raptors. Vince certainly wasn't blameless, but I do think ownership bears more responsibility making the situation hopeless for him. If the current ownership group was running the Raptors back then I wonder how different things would have been.
It's pretty funny that not one but two MLSE-owned franchises have won championships in this last decade since the Bell/Rogers takeover. Even the MLS team has done three finals runs. The Maple Leafs, eh... they're on the right track with the Shanaplan but I think that's going to be a work in progress.
@@user-xi2if4tq2g Indeed, given Sportsnet is a Rogers property and TSN is co-owned by Bell and ESPN. Game 5 and 6 in Canada managed to surpass the Big Bang Theory finale, the Super Bowl, and the Oscars in ratings at the same time. All that money pours right back into MLSE and you can see why they want to win. I forgot in the minors the Raptors 905 and Marlies both have their respective championships in the last decade too. I'll be damned.
@@user-xi2if4tq2g Yeah, you'd have ratings in the Greater Toronto Area no matter what, but the rest of Canada isn't that big into basketball. Winning definitely sparked a lot of interest outside of Ontario and made a big ratings boost, whereas in the past, they would have played second fiddle to curling in the prairies.
As a Canadian I think we were too critical on Vince, vince inspired all of us and now Canada has a record amount of players in the nba without vince we could’ve gone the way of the Vancouver grizzles and not won the chip in 2019, thanks Vince
Charlie Taaffe I’m not a Raptors fan, but I think the organization still recognizes that he put the Raptors on the map and the reason they are still around. I also see them retiring his number next year if he’s indeed hanging it up.
No question he had the biggest influence but way it ended he flat out quit. And regardless of him playing in toronto, Toronto would still have an NBA team.
I never realized how heartfelt those standing ovations were for Vince back when I was watching them live on tv, now that I really know basketball, and the ups and downs of the Vince carter era in Toronto, it means so much more to see Vince waving his hand to the crowd of the acc with tears falling down his face
Crazy that there was another Raptors v 76ers game 7, in the second round, with the score at 88-87, ( it was 88-88 last year) but in '01 the Toronto star got the ball on the wing and missed
@@lucasbell4831 Sorry but how is Kawhi not the greatest player to play for the Raptors? What player is better and has had a better year than him in a Raptor jersey?
kessel was never the player the leafs needed. his playstyle isn't meant to be built around. he was a bad fit for a worse job. but he was also a slouch, and visibly gave up instead of asking to be traded. he wasn't a locker room darling for the pens either. his current stagnation in arizona should tell you what kind of player he is.
STLLR Kessel and Phaneuf were the best players in Toronto for years. And the media and fans treated them like garbage. They made Kessel out to be some lazy, fat loner. And then he got out, tore it up, and won two cups.
What a fantastic beef history!! The ending gave me chills. Always will be a proud Canadian and thankful for what VC did. Hope you all are staying safe during this crazy time, can't wait for basketball to start up again!
Wow this is one of the best sports productions I've ever seen. Very well done. This touched me, I was 13 in 2000 and Vince was the reason I got into basketball
Beautifully done. Rewatching this, brining back all those memories and knowing now how it all ended... painful, yet beautiful. I was such a huge VC fan, I used to tape every single game from 1999-2004 and would make highlight packages and made sure I got ever dunk he did. It really stung when VC left, but I never had that same level of hatred the rest of the fanbase did. I even remember recording a few nets games way back when just to get some of his highlights, as much as I hated seeing him in a nets jersey... Years later I ended up buying a Nets Carter jersey. Lol I wish things ended differently, every year Vince would hit free agency I always hoped the Raps would bring him back. But it’s wasn’t to be... it’s bittersweet the season ended abruptly, and Vince didn’t get his final send off in Toronto. I really do hope once everything in the world returns to normal, the Raps bring him in on a 10 day, even if it’s just in the preseason, he suits up.. just to get out there for 30 seconds and he gets that final curtain call.
I am on the verge of crying. I became a fan of basketball as a 10-year-old kid because of Vince and was heartbroken when he was traded. I'm 30 now and have SO MANY FEELINGS -- mostly relief and happiness that Toronto and Vince were able to reconcile. Thank you for doing this justice, SB Nation. This was so beautifully made.
Real Raptors fans are grateful. He gets standing ovations in Toronto now, I think as the years pass people forget the petty complaintsthey had but remember all the great things he did for the city
@@comedychrises nothing about his relationship with his mom would lead reasonable people to think that though. I feel like this is a case of media getting in their feelings due to lack of access by shoehorning the one thing they knew about his personal life into every single story, as has been heavily documented as a behavior by sports journalists. See: Barry Bonds.
Joseph Green facts. He left for UNC the night before, attended the morning graduation ceremony, and fly into Philly in the afternoon for a night game. More than enough time.
I can see your view and the importance to his mom. Playing devil's advocate, he signed a contract for millions of dollars and has a lot of people depending on hin to be a peak health(mental, physical) for when he's needed the most. Shoot he should have made a donation to the school to move it to a later date
Vinsanity was so huge in Toronto and Canada, and CB4 was a great star like Vince. Also, thanks to everyone who helped the Franchise won the 2019 Championship..
Yes that is Denis point, Americans think Toronto is small market "because Canada". In reality it would be one of the bigger markets compared to American teams
I was a kid when all of this was going down, so I was oblivious even though he was my hero. This video is actually the most comprehensive history I've seen. Whatever happened, VC will always be the reason I (and so many other Canadians) started watching basketball, why I played basketball and why I still love it now.
As someone who lived through this whole thing, I appreciate how honest and engaging this piece was. Even great Canadian stories tend get treated with disinterest from the American eye and whatever coverage they do get often feels skewed. This was pitch perfect. I idolized Carter growing up. I was mocked for liking basketball in a, town that gave birth to the greatest player ever to lace up skates, Wayne Gretzky. I was riducled even more when things fell apart for putting my faith in a wincy baby from the US who didn't play a tough guy sport like hockey. The day he left broke my sports heart and for years, foolishly I held out hope of a reconciliation til the minute I heard he was gone. From then on I spent years screaming at the TV as he came back and whooped us yet again on another team. But that Grange piece really did feel like a shift to letting that bitterness go. And in return for that forgiveness and reconciliation we got a championship. It's been 20 years of more downs than ups but standing on the other side watching my guys hold up the Larry OB has made that journey all worth it. It's one of the great feel good stories in sports. Excellent work. Thank you.
man, those last couple minutes bring it together so damn well... its so much emotion and energy... its persuasive and subtle... its journalism my man and honestly, this is a fine ass piece of it! the fact that I dont have to pay for content like this makes me smile - cheers to the creator; you told one hell of a story. Thank you
@@charleschamberlain5383 saying Toronto is almost the entirety of Canada is extremely ignorant. Canada is massive and has many major cities with a long storied history in sports and historical value. (and I'm not even Canadian).
What he did for the Canadian basketball culture can’t be understated. Even if they picked a better player like Pierce or Dirk basketball probably wouldn’t be as big here.
For 2 seasons at least, Vinsanity was the most popular & most influential basketball superstar, not just in the NBA but all over the world. Arguably more famous than Shaq, AI, Kobe, KG, T-Mac, Pierce, whoever, at that time. YES, HE WAS "THE NEW MJ" for a couple of seasons.People kinda forget that. All that fame only diminished when all that dramarama in Toronto happened and Lebron , D-Wade and Carmelo arrived.Many people forget that.
Boston has to accomplish something after he left to have any leverage on Kyrie who’s currently looking to win another ring on one of the best teams in the league
I held off on watching this because I was like "come on man, we're all over it." Then I realized, I needed to see it. Nice to find a happy ending in one of these.
"No doubt" you make the conference final if he doesn't take a day to his graduation? Hindsight man. In hindsight, if Oakley scored 2 more points, they definitely would have made the conference final. People overvalue gamewinning shots when some bench guy making one more of his shots earlier would have prevented the entire situation.
Not really, the tactics in the last few minutes change dramatically depending on who's winning. You can't say with any certainty who would have won if Oakley didn't miss a lay-up with 5 minutes to go in the 2nd. You can say with complete certainty that they would win if Carter made that shot. But you also can't say that Carter makes that shot if he didn't go to NC, we won't know how differently he would have played.
And if carter disnt attend his graduation to fulfill his PROMISE to his mother, i dont really think he's gonna play great. bc hw close carter with his mom, not attending his promis will affect his mental for sure
As a new (bandwagon) Raptors fan, I really appreciate getting an in-depth review of this beef. I knew Vince was loved and hated but never really knew why, so thanks.
I'm happy for Vince and Toronto. That's a great moment with the video and him tearing up, and the fans giving him a standing ovation. Classy stuff. It's a great story with a happy ending desperately needed in this time we are currently living in.
This jawn got me tearing up at the end, i used to LOVE watching this guy and had no idea it was like that between he and Toronto...I'm glad that ended before he retired
As a Raptors fan I will always love Vince! I will never forget how amazing he was and the fact that he gave me the love of basketball! The future looked so bright when Vince signed that extension. Sucks everything ended the way it did. Time heals all wounds was really looking to give him a proper send off in his last game in Toronto! Nothing but love for Vincanity!
I've been watching basketball since 1990 and I've played my fair share of games. Vince Carter as an athlete is one of the top 2 or 3 most exciting players I have ever seen (along with MJ). The way Vince cast fear into the hearts of shot blockers and defenders was something to behold. He made every big man of his age look like a bunch of preschoolers. I'm talking about Mourning, Mutumbo, Ben Wallace you name it. We're talking about some of the greatest defensive big men ever and he made them all look like children. He is unanimously considered the greatest dunker of all time. The end of Vince's career in Toronto was a sad time for me. Vince made mistakes no doubt but he never deserved the treatment he got. It proved to me how people's minds could easily be twisted by the media. His jersey belongs in the rafters at the ACC because without him the Raptors would have most likely gone the same route as the Vancouver Grizzlies. He was our first true superstar and one of the greatest athletes to ever walk on the basketball court.
Amazing how they went from a simple Oakland A's blog to an appealing global sports blog that lead to non-sport spin-off blogs, which have had the same amount of influence in the internet world.
8 Teams passed on Iguodala. It's a crapshoot. Because "foreign dudes" can't play, right? Just this one wasn't great. Good but not great. Also, the Raptors Front Office in recent years that included Masai Ujiri drafted many worse players than Rafael Araújo ever was. The 2004 Draft year was not that good so it's a moot point.
There was a belief in Toronto than American players wouldn’t play in Canada and demand a trade, or would at least leave the first chance they got (see: McGrady, Carter, Stoudemire, Mourning, Camby, etc..) so they just drafted Euros for like a decade straight.
Hey friends, just in case this beef doesn't fill you up we'll have episode four of the Mariners doc coming out Tuesday. Thanks for your patience!
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Episode 4? Oh man there's a long history of Mariners suckitude here but damn 🤣🤣🤣
Sounds like the media played a huge part in this, when you compare someone to Jordan as a rookie it's not fair to bash them when they don't become the heir to the GOAT
You mean to say Toronto media isn't very nice to professional athletes? Colour me shocked.
they always do that...
Lot was Carter himself too
They made the comparison to every superstar swingman that came after Jordan. T-Mac, Kobe (RIP), Carter.
Nah, it was Vince's injuries that played the part. The fans up there hated players that can't play through the pain. They are still griping about the Kyle Lowry's recent injuries. So the hate is real up there.
This is hands down the greatest beef history ever. Especially if you’re from Toronto.
It is.
Canada*
Facts
1000%
We had the poor mans Jordan. That dumbass shot traumatized me. He was a good start but he had to go.
Vince: I’m not the next mj!!
The media: He’s the next mj!!
Vince: *acts like his own player because he doesn’t wanna be the next mj*
The media: man why isn’t Vince the next mj he sucks.
Just don’t listen to those morons. Media just want to stir trouble
lol
They were trying tk bring him down. He played good before his retirement
Toronto as a city is by far the biggest star potentiality reduction factory.
Regardless of the sport, the media and the fans are so quick to send their athletes out to walk the plank.
This is literally devin booker this season.
It’s funny how with all his injuries early on he still managed to play 22 seasons
@Alex C DC Fake injuries and fake surgeries 🤔
What's crazy is Vince was a superstar an is a future hall of famer an to me he still underachieved considering how good he was
fake injuries sissy
Anyone claiming fake injuries probably cant touch the net of the rim let alone rise 6 feet above it.
Person 2018 after playing semi pro basketball..... injuries are not funny at all
“If he’s the next MJ why is he passing up the last shot to Dee Brown” man those writers must’ve forgotten about Paxson and Kerr
@MUFC when
@MUFC There will be no 2070 A.D
@MUFC wtf
@MUFC why
@MUFC no one cares
From the thumbnail I thought VC had beef with the mascot
200th like. I know what you're thinking..
Who cares
MUFC bro stfu soccer boring as hell lol.
@Eredin, King of the Wild Hunt
Kkkkkk Soccer is the biggest sport in the universe. Basketball is great too, but you cant compare.
@MUFC you can always count on insecure soccer fans to come into every sports related thread to talk up their sport. Great, it’s popular, good for you.
@MUFC WTH? I agree with you but not the place to do it. This video is a tribute to basketball fans. It’s like showing up to a graveyard and celebrating a party. You’re not in the wrong, but man not in the right place.
Say what you want about his departure from Toronto but Vince put Toronto on the map and nobody can take that away from him.
Drake would disagree LOL
Toronto was already a world class city before Vince. I mean the CN Tower is a symbol of our city.
@@yourfriendlyneighbourhoodvue the what tower?
Ivander85 who cares lol
I think he meant for the nba bro
I feel like there's going to be a Kevin Durant version of this for Oklahoma City in 2030.
Nah. That guy's a snake.
John Gedric Tudio And LeBron and Cleveland after The Decision
I get that type of vine for devin Booker
Lance Liverpool I think that beef was pretty much over when he came back and won them a title tho...
Sam Chernoff yeah some beef has a happy ending
As someone who live in Ontario and is a huge fan of Toronto sports, let me tell you, Toronto sports media has got to be one of the worst in North America. They are absolutely brutal (and I know some people who work in it).
You think that's half the reason Kawhi left?
Jekku1987 I would say Philadelphia is to be honest.
ShamaRanks! Tbh as a Toronto fan, no. Toronto sports media is absolutely brutal. Kawhi though was given a soft touch and loved since he delivered what no one had since Joe Carter in 93, a championship. I can rattle off plenty of athletes done wrong by Toronto media (especially Phil Kessel) but Kawhi isn’t one and tbh most fans don’t hold ill will against him for leaving. We understood from the beginning it was likely.
@@connorpierotti8242 Honestly Kawhi going to the clippers was the smartest move since it made the spotlight on him and leave the toxic media of Toronto to prevent any tampering on his fame that was given from his 1 year stint with the Spurs before going to Toronto.
@@playout4630 garbage opinion
Lmao I love how all the others players beef are with other players but Vince is just against a WHOLE CITY
Probably whole country Bc I bet many canadians are fans of the only Canada team
Vince leaving T.O. ushered in a long era of bad basketball that real Raptor fans will never forget. Mans that forgive him don't know the struggle.
@@MK-xi6xp This is incorrect. Not the part about bad basketball, it certainly was bad. But the forgiveness and love on both sides is what Toronto and Canada are all about. Said as someone who watched that struggle every step of the way.
@@bones_meow I was there the whole way through. He retired today btw. There will be no forgiveness from me. Vince will always be the catalyst of what was the breaking point of my squad.
@@MK-xi6xp I don't blame you, but I'm sorry to hear you still feel that way. I used to hate him for all this too. Feels a lot better to let it go.
30 min?!?? Lets f***ing GOOOO! As a bored raptors fan this is absolutely amazing. thanks SB nation
I didn't even realize I've watched it for 30 minutes, it was so interesting
Russ_Playz same bro
Watching this the day after Vince's jersey retirement. Such a powerful moment to see it all culminate into him being the first Raptor to be retired!
On the next episode of Beef History: Kawhi's uncle vs. San Antonio Spurs
@Buddah Theepoet Nah, that should be Rudy Gorbert & Coronavirus vs NBA. 🤣
Dont wanna see that. This channel is always so unfair to the spurs.
Screw the spurs. Nothing without Duncan
@@brokenking5044 hes a coach now dummy. We still got good leadership, kawhi just wanted to play in la thats it.
a bit too early for that. But man, I despise what Leonard's camp pulled against the Spurs. He tarnished the team's excellent reputation of always taking extra care of their players, and also threw the team that built around him off course.
Raptors fans in 2000: Look at Vince man. So inspirational. Look at the way he does 360 dunks. Nice.
That's my type of dunk
@@ReeRap just make sure the camera's on
@@ReeRap no march 2021
@@darkshadez8479 2
Who are u flight?
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Man gave his prime to this team and the media ripped him apart for no real valid reason. Like cool, he might of won that game if he didn’t attend graduation, but imagine how heartless it would of been to of broken that long term promise to his mother. His supporting rock throughout his life.
This is the problem when you don’t know what you’re talking about. The graduation he attended wasn’t even his graduating class, he could of easily attended the next graduation ceremony, it wasn’t a like he has to go or else he misses it.
Would have been to have broken that promise. Not of.
The contraction would’ve sounds like “wood-uv” but is would and have. Not would and of.
@@deleqtronica8733bro it's been 20+ years move on
This is so ill informed. Vince quit on his team, was stand offish with media, he just stopped attacking the rim for an entire year and settled for bad jumpers, then he started leaking stuff to opposing teams and forced the Raptors into the worst trade in franchise history. Dude went to concerts while hurt, the graduation ceremony was idiocy to attend and wasn't even his class. Vince treated the Raptors like trash and deserved everything he got.
Media: Vince needs to give his all star spot to jordon
Vince: I dont want too but fine ill do it
Media: Vince shouldn’t have given his all star spot to MJ
He should have done it right. Weeks ahead of time. Not 30 seconds before the staring lineup was announced during the in-arena intros. Even MJ was pissed.
@@tafttheraft5314 lol. Too bad MJ didn't help Vince like Kobe. VC could have been so much better having the same tools.
I use the all star spot to destroy the all star spot
a guy from nz 😂😂😂😂😂
@@tafttheraft5314 His airness didn't deserve it that year
Saw an old dude once with a t-shirt "Half-man half season" playing on his "half man half amazing" nickname lol
I forgot about those shirts and signs at NBA games people had during that time when Vince was always getting injured. "Half Man/Half Season"..it was an insulting play on one of his nicknames in Toronto. Mean spirited but was true at that time..also I'll admit it was funny.
Amazed the "HALF A MAN. HALF A SEASON" sign didn't make this.
That's not fair for Vince, not his fault he got seriously injured in his prime. Happened to Grant Hill, Rose, Tracy Mcgrady. Do they deserve boos? come on now
that was actually a popular newspaper headline back in the day
This makes Vince Carter seem like a bad player when really he was a great player for a long time
Panther1 was/is
Great at early playoffs exits and highlights
@John Harlowe a two time gold medalist and 8 time all star is definitely a HOFer. You seem upset, I'm guessing you're a Toronto fan?
Samuel Gould Vince soft
Is 5 good years long ?
2:37
THE KNICKS DID WHAT?
derpinated i feel that
yeah that is impossible.
lol
@@charlesbrown2011 That was the year before, we lost to Indy in the ECF this year
Back when the Knicks were good yes
For so many different reasons, Vince has always been my favourite player. Even towards the end of his career he never ring-chased, instead opting to take reduced minutes on rebuilding teams, acting as a positive force in the locker room of some really young teams. At his peak, there was no one like him. Sure, there were players that shot better than him, played defense better or were better leaders for example, but Vince was the whole package. Of course guys like MJ or Kobe were better players, but Vinsanity was, in my eyes at least, the face of the league and the most exciting talent I've ever seen. What a true champion of the game.
I'm 34 now, vc was always my favorite player. It was so disheartening when he admitted to not trying that hard in Toronto. The nets team was really good, they definitely should have performed better as well
27:41 damn....this is the first time one of these made me feel legit emotional. you could tell the animosity hurt Vince and having that moment meant a lot to him, hence the tearing up from him.
I went to my first nba game this year, it was rockets against Hawks, James harden dropped 60, we all gave Vince a standing ovation when he got subbed out for the last time, it was an amazing first game experience!
The whole story of Vince’s beef with Toronto and the media is “damned if you do, damned if you dont.”
Take a peek at the history of Toronto Maple Leaf stars. Toronto is a crazy sports city.
Really? Because I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be damned if he didn't go to his graduation ceremony, or if he didn't sit out so much his last season, or if he didn't LITERALLY HELP OPPONENT TEAMS
@@derek7762 I dunno... to me personally, someone who values and is willing to promote education puts him in a high esteem in my book.
@@VidGamer123 that's not the same as attending a graduation ceremony at all. He already got his degree
@@derek7762 Maybe so, but when you're a star basketball player and you appear for the graduation ceremony with all the other students, it sends an important message.
Love how y'all pressured the man to do so much, just to end up bashing him in the end cause the front office sucked ass and couldn't build a team around him with enough time.
I know, its ridiculous. He came in, made the playoffs for the first time in franchise history. Then he leads the team to the first playoff series win, loses by 1 in game 7 to Iverson and the 76ers, and all he got was criticism the entire time.
Raptors FO traded away or let go of potential all stars in Marcus Camby, Chauncey Billups, and Tracy Mcgrady during or right before the Carter era. They were that bad.
@@spiidey1 Chauncey was one of my favourite players.
@@chop54321 The same thing happens to Luka, because people forget how young he is.
The whole "no Rings" thing is kind of insane when the player you're saying it to is a guy in his early 20's doing a hard carry.
@@pewpewTNRight? And people saying Shai is the NEW superstar and S.A.S kept using the word “Kid” to describe Shai and saying things that makes people think Luka is “old” and not realizing that Luka is younger than Shai by 8 months. Bc he’s been good since rookie people thinks he has been in the league for 10 years😂
No one should have criticized Carter for going to his college graduation. He did the right thing. And the critics sent the wrong message to young people when they put basketball above education. Also he was in Philly about 7 hours before the game started. The idea that he missed that shot because he went to get his diploma is asinine.
Optimus Prime asinine asi10 asi11 asi12 to
Agreed
Basically, the takeaway here is that some sportswriters are complete jack-offs. "How dare he go to his college graduation", "How dare he not compare himself to Jordan", "How dare he have a good relationship with his mom", "How dare he not play while injured", "How dare he dance while injured", "How dare he compare himself to Jordan", "How dare he not give up his All-Star spot to Jordan", "How dare he give up his All-Star spot to Jordan", etc. etc.
This beef was almost 80% built by jackasses in the media. I include Charles Barkley in that.
dean smith was far more dedicated to teaching lessons in humanity than basketball ask anyone related to the UNC family be it former players or whatever
I remember when he announced he was going to graduation and would make it back for the game. Real Talk was a proud moment for many.
what I came to learn : Vince's beef with Toronto
what I've learned : Tracy McGrady is his cousin
Reading comprehension wasn't your forte in school, huh?
(Before the smartasses comment, it IS correct to use the term reading comprehension)
I learned that and also that Vince Carter didn’t really deserve to be on the cover of NBA Live 2004.
@@DaDualityofMan he was a dunk highlight machine. Once he posterized that 7 foot dude, he became immortal.
SpriteChan u a casual if u didn’t already know that
Lol how old are you? How do you not know that t Mac and Vince are cousins
"Scrutinized Vincent's relationship with his mother..."
You can't come back from bringing up moms.
It's a weird thing to criticize someone for being a good son
@@RVered There's a difference between being a good son and being a mama's boy. At some point you have to draw the line and make sure family doesn't affect the work environment. It's hard for us to say anything since we're on the outside looking in, but Vince admitted that the reason he went to his graduation despite having to play a game 7 that same day is because he wanted to keep a promise to his Mom, it cost them the game.
@@Sai4651 yeah you can look at that either way i guess the graduation was really important to the mother
@@DontDoCocaine Yeah, but you also got a responsibility to the team. I remember Isiah Thomas (Pistons one) also had a playoff game during his graduation, but his Mom went to accept the diploma in his place, so that could have been a potential alternative.
@@Sai4651 Do you think he would have played any better knowing he disappointed his mother like that? Basketball isn't real life. Mothers always come first
Who knew dancing on stage with Nelly would cause so much drama
Crazy that he spent 3 years at UNC and still played in the NBA as long as he did
25 seasons of high level competition. #vinnyRaps
When he eventually retires those knees are going to get a very very well deserved rest.
That’s why he still playing the man is a determined hard worker much to him.....
Cause he didn't play hard for number of years and then became a bench player
Settling into an easy going role player and then staying washed for a decade do wonders.
This is EASILY my favorite Beef History. Never thought a series about grown men disagreeing would bring me to tears, but here we are.
0:41 GAUDY jerseys?!? Those jerseys are ICONIC
Both things are true
They were made fun of at the time
Because NBA jerseys at the time kinda sucked.
Kylie McInnes literally some of the best unis in NBA history are from that era 😫😂
in the land downunder growing up a local team kids team had the same logo and it was the best thing ever
Finally someone who actually sees it from the perspective that management was half of the problem
Imagine if VC had great management like they do with Masai
J-876 King nowhere’s near HALF the problem.
@Jared Taylor yep true
@@bombkita okay about 40% of the problem, but if you're gonna come back and say it's all on VC, then I recommend you actually watch the full 30 mins 🙄
Even if the management was better, the other half of the problem would still be there. Vince had talent and character, just not at the same time.
Keep in mind Masai also talked Kyle Lowry into putting his ego aside to become a star. A Masai-like figure could've helped VC then but nobody did.
Assuming Vince is retired and Lowry still has a career for a few more years, I think Vince should be the first jersey the Raptors retire.
We were nothing before Vince.
He was 1/2 Man, 1/2 amazing.
No team should ever retire the jersey of someone who quit on them. Lowry is the only Raptor who should have his jersey retired if everyone who ever played for Toronto retired today
@@GamersCorner2134 Demar was amazing for 9 seasons + he didnt quit he wanted to stay
@@edwardplayzzz2675 incredible how nobody is talking about Demar here
@@GamersCorner2134 by this logic the cavs should never retire #23 or #2 ever
@@tan2750 yeah he quit on them twice lol
3:16 Never mind that even Jordan was willing to pass the ball to others to take the winning shot. John Paxson in 1993. Steve Kerr in 1997.
@@ReeRap Jordan had passed up clutch shots early in his career as well. Jordan rarely took bad last second shots unless time didn't permit it, we just remember the times he won but he passed out of bad situations early in his career as well we just don't remember them because those were forgettable games. Also, it wasn't like Carter was passing to some young scrub, Dee Brown had been in the league for years, was a decent basketball player, had been in several playoffs and played well in several series with the Celtics, and had shot well from the three point line that year and had hit a game winning shot for them about a week or two earlier. When you are about to get a hard double team you would be stupid to take that kind of shot rather than passing it to an open veteran who has had some big games in playoffs before. Playing hero ball and taking a bad shot is stupid.
Didnt Jordan also setup BJ Armstrong
But didn't Jordan tell those guys that he'd be looking for them before they even got on the court? Vince's pass there was more of a "I got it, I got it! Whoops, nvm, you take it!"
@@StarryStarryNocturne it depended on how the defense played him, which is why you rarely saw Jordan take a terrible last second shot and most of his last second shots were one on one. The second he would get double teamed he would pass it up, no different than what Carter did. Carter passed it when getting double teamed to an open veteran teammate who had hit big shots before, including a game winner just a week or two earlier. Carter saw the double team coming and rather than force a bad shot he made the smart basketball play, which is precisely what he should have done.
@@markboston9303 it's the differing standards everyone likes to have. When Jordan passed to teammates at the end of games, making the smart basketball play, we cheer him for being unselfish, when other players do it we call them scared and say they choked because they didn't take the bad last second shot we all think Jordan would have taken despite the fact he never in fact played that way.
Much respect to Vince Carter ,I'm from Daytona Beach and it's hard to make it out this hell hole. He achieved more than anybody from my city. 22 seasons in 🥇🏆
u still in daytona beach?
That’s not true. You seem to equate how much money one has, to indicate their level of achievement.
That’s where you are wrong at. And that’s why you failed to “make it out”.
Do you know you could be a Doctor, and accountant, and engineer, a business owner?
The problem with black america is that you look up to that wrong people
as role models.
@@jrsmith1998 nobody cares
@@1assassyn U are wrong. “Deez Nuts” cares.
You Bozo 🤡
You may want to actually look up men from that area. A lot made it way bigger then Vince. But hey.
Organizations do win championships. The New York Knicks ineptitude demonstrates this, but so does this story about the Raptors. When Vince played for the Raptors they were owned by people who didn't care about basketball. The ownership group included a Teachers Pension fund. They didn't want to take risks. When it came to the Raptors they only cared about maintaining the bottom line and filling the seats. The Maple Leafs were the crown jewel. If the Raps weren't losing money they were happy. That's why Vince said he wasn't dunking anymore. He wanted to win, not entertain. The organization wasn't committed to winning, nor to Vince. And he realized that when they never truly considered hiring Dr. J, who Vince felt could have attracted other star players north of the border. He then found out the organization didn't truly make an effort to acquire Magloire/Nash - Canadian players who might actually want to play in Toronto. The Raptors fortunes didn't change until the parent companies of the two biggest sports media entities in Canada purchased MLSE. Suddenly the ownership group wanted to win and had a vested interest in winning. This is because they owned the broadcasting networks. Think Turner (TNT) and Disney (ABC/ESPN) jointly owning a franchise - that's basically what's going on in Canada. The new ownership group hired Tim Leiweke who openly stated his goal was to win championships and predicted it would happen. He brought in Masai Ujiri and got out of his way. Ujiri also set the expectation that the goal was to win a championship and that he was willing to do anything required to bring one to the city. This type of talk was unheard of in Toronto. The team became stable with ownership, front office, coaches and players. They spent money and retained their incumbent stars. They built a state of the art practice facility and made bold moves. Obviously, Kawhi being the boldest. He came and last year happened and then he unsurprisingly left. Proving what Vince knew all along. It's tough to get star players to want to play in Canada and one player can't do it alone. For Canada's lone franchise success MUST start at the top because players are not lining up to play here. In the end, there were lessons learned by Vince and the Raptors. Vince certainly wasn't blameless, but I do think ownership bears more responsibility making the situation hopeless for him. If the current ownership group was running the Raptors back then I wonder how different things would have been.
It's pretty funny that not one but two MLSE-owned franchises have won championships in this last decade since the Bell/Rogers takeover. Even the MLS team has done three finals runs.
The Maple Leafs, eh... they're on the right track with the Shanaplan but I think that's going to be a work in progress.
@@1billdorito Because winning sports = TV ratings haha
@@user-xi2if4tq2g Indeed, given Sportsnet is a Rogers property and TSN is co-owned by Bell and ESPN. Game 5 and 6 in Canada managed to surpass the Big Bang Theory finale, the Super Bowl, and the Oscars in ratings at the same time. All that money pours right back into MLSE and you can see why they want to win.
I forgot in the minors the Raptors 905 and Marlies both have their respective championships in the last decade too. I'll be damned.
@@user-xi2if4tq2g Yeah, you'd have ratings in the Greater Toronto Area no matter what, but the rest of Canada isn't that big into basketball. Winning definitely sparked a lot of interest outside of Ontario and made a big ratings boost, whereas in the past, they would have played second fiddle to curling in the prairies.
Very well written and explained much better then the video that was 30mins long
As a Canadian I think we were too critical on Vince, vince inspired all of us and now Canada has a record amount of players in the nba without vince we could’ve gone the way of the Vancouver grizzles and not won the chip in 2019, thanks Vince
Charlie Taaffe I’m not a Raptors fan, but I think the organization still recognizes that he put the Raptors on the map and the reason they are still around. I also see them retiring his number next year if he’s indeed hanging it up.
No question he had the biggest influence but way it ended he flat out quit. And regardless of him playing in toronto, Toronto would still have an NBA team.
I never realized how heartfelt those standing ovations were for Vince back when I was watching them live on tv, now that I really know basketball, and the ups and downs of the Vince carter era in Toronto, it means so much more to see Vince waving his hand to the crowd of the acc with tears falling down his face
Crazy that there was another Raptors v 76ers game 7, in the second round, with the score at 88-87, ( it was 88-88 last year) but in '01 the Toronto star got the ball on the wing and missed
But Kawhi, the greatest to ever put a raptors jersey actually got the bounce to go in.
92-90 bro....
@@kx4998 yeah sorry lmao
@@yourfriendlyneighbourhoodvue Nah.
@@lucasbell4831 Sorry but how is Kawhi not the greatest player to play for the Raptors? What player is better and has had a better year than him in a Raptor jersey?
this beef history was beautiful. real tears were shed. Vince Carter changed Toronto forever ♥️
Tá bom então
Love that this beef has a happy ending now. Congrats Vince!
The Toronto media is awful to athletes. Just look at Phil Kessel and Dion Phaneuf.
Other media markets can be tough, but how many would wholly fabricate a story about a star player going to a hot dog vendor every day?
kessel was never the player the leafs needed. his playstyle isn't meant to be built around. he was a bad fit for a worse job.
but he was also a slouch, and visibly gave up instead of asking to be traded. he wasn't a locker room darling for the pens either. his current stagnation in arizona should tell you what kind of player he is.
STLLR Kessel and Phaneuf were the best players in Toronto for years. And the media and fans treated them like garbage. They made Kessel out to be some lazy, fat loner. And then he got out, tore it up, and won two cups.
Toronto mediocre leafs....who cares ..
Its always a combination of Drama fueled Media, and Greedy MLSE.
What a fantastic beef history!! The ending gave me chills. Always will be a proud Canadian and thankful for what VC did. Hope you all are staying safe during this crazy time, can't wait for basketball to start up again!
Wow this is one of the best sports productions I've ever seen. Very well done. This touched me, I was 13 in 2000 and Vince was the reason I got into basketball
Vince made 3 dunks against Washington Wizards few days after he said about not dunking anymore...
Still remember watching that game live.
Beautifully done. Rewatching this, brining back all those memories and knowing now how it all ended... painful, yet beautiful. I was such a huge VC fan, I used to tape every single game from 1999-2004 and would make highlight packages and made sure I got ever dunk he did. It really stung when VC left, but I never had that same level of hatred the rest of the fanbase did. I even remember recording a few nets games way back when just to get some of his highlights, as much as I hated seeing him in a nets jersey... Years later I ended up buying a Nets Carter jersey. Lol I wish things ended differently, every year Vince would hit free agency I always hoped the Raps would bring him back. But it’s wasn’t to be... it’s bittersweet the season ended abruptly, and Vince didn’t get his final send off in Toronto. I really do hope once everything in the world returns to normal, the Raps bring him in on a 10 day, even if it’s just in the preseason, he suits up.. just to get out there for 30 seconds and he gets that final curtain call.
I am on the verge of crying. I became a fan of basketball as a 10-year-old kid because of Vince and was heartbroken when he was traded. I'm 30 now and have SO MANY FEELINGS -- mostly relief and happiness that Toronto and Vince were able to reconcile. Thank you for doing this justice, SB Nation. This was so beautifully made.
If VC never played for the raptors, there's a chance that the raptors wouldn't be in toronto right now. Be grateful for what he did!
Darryl Mata lmao you wish. Toronto is a mega city in North America. Top 5 market in sports.
Toronto was already big.
Real Raptors fans are grateful. He gets standing ovations in Toronto now, I think as the years pass people forget the petty complaintsthey had but remember all the great things he did for the city
@@ChangeHumanity Vince MADE Raptors into a big basketball market in the 2000s.
*Already big when raps fans back then didn't even know when to cheer for their team because the majority of them are hockey fans.
Isn't being really close with your mom like a GOOD thing?
well it depends if you like the person or not LOL
depends on how close. too close is creepy. too distant is sad.
Yes. But keeping family and business separate turns out to be the best move more often than not.
I'd rather have Vince and his mom attached than Derrick Rose and his idiot brother attached.
@@comedychrises nothing about his relationship with his mom would lead reasonable people to think that though. I feel like this is a case of media getting in their feelings due to lack of access by shoehorning the one thing they knew about his personal life into every single story, as has been heavily documented as a behavior by sports journalists. See: Barry Bonds.
Thank you for this amazing documentary brother As a Canadian hoops fan, it adds a lot of context to what went down
This doc sucks.
Basketball is my favorite sport. I like the way they dribble up and down the court.
You’re a good man Mark
I like when they throw the ball and sometimes get it in the hole
_something something_ *MOSES MALONE*
@@RandySavag 😂😂😂😂
Have you seen my baseball?
Grown ass men getting mad at him for fulfilling a promise to his mom to attending a college graduation
Joseph Green facts. He left for UNC the night before, attended the morning graduation ceremony, and fly into Philly in the afternoon for a night game. More than enough time.
I can see your view and the importance to his mom. Playing devil's advocate, he signed a contract for millions of dollars and has a lot of people depending on hin to be a peak health(mental, physical) for when he's needed the most.
Shoot he should have made a donation to the school to move it to a later date
@@jDkaufman25 that job and that check will be there one day his mother wont
@@tregray4554 tip of the hat. Great point. I see your side and agree.
@@jDkaufman25 love when disagreements are resolved civilly
Vinsanity was so huge in Toronto and Canada, and CB4 was a great star like Vince. Also, thanks to everyone who helped the Franchise won the 2019 Championship..
this is hands down the best beef history you guys have released yet in my humble opinion
We need an episode on KG vs the Timberwolves ownership
Or perhaps KG vs the world?
Orrrr what would be better is KG and the Celtics managements
not much beef there because the wolves FO screwed up in the 1999 off season.
Having watched all the Beef History episodes, this is by far the best one.
The problem was the media couldn’t fathom a superstar playing for a “small market team” let alone a team in another country
small market lol
@@robbiescott4107 well he did put that in quotes. The point is that this is how the US media sees it regardless of the truth of that notion.
Toronto is huge
Toronto is not a small market
Yes that is Denis point, Americans think Toronto is small market "because Canada". In reality it would be one of the bigger markets compared to American teams
This feels like a personal diary entry. I remember each and every, single season. You actually drew me a tear..
I was a kid when all of this was going down, so I was oblivious even though he was my hero. This video is actually the most comprehensive history I've seen. Whatever happened, VC will always be the reason I (and so many other Canadians) started watching basketball, why I played basketball and why I still love it now.
Thank goodness they brought back this dude for the narration, nobody does it better. Great video!
As someone who lived through this whole thing, I appreciate how honest and engaging this piece was. Even great Canadian stories tend get treated with disinterest from the American eye and whatever coverage they do get often feels skewed. This was pitch perfect.
I idolized Carter growing up. I was mocked for liking basketball in a, town that gave birth to the greatest player ever to lace up skates, Wayne Gretzky. I was riducled even more when things fell apart for putting my faith in a wincy baby from the US who didn't play a tough guy sport like hockey.
The day he left broke my sports heart and for years, foolishly I held out hope of a reconciliation til the minute I heard he was gone. From then on I spent years screaming at the TV as he came back and whooped us yet again on another team.
But that Grange piece really did feel like a shift to letting that bitterness go. And in return for that forgiveness and reconciliation we got a championship. It's been 20 years of more downs than ups but standing on the other side watching my guys hold up the Larry OB has made that journey all worth it.
It's one of the great feel good stories in sports. Excellent work. Thank you.
Do you live in Brantford?
man, those last couple minutes bring it together so damn well... its so much emotion and energy... its persuasive and subtle... its journalism my man and honestly, this is a fine ass piece of it! the fact that I dont have to pay for content like this makes me smile - cheers to the creator; you told one hell of a story. Thank you
First time I've seen someone beef with a whole city 😂
Guess you missed where Cleveland burned LeBron jerseys and boo'd him for the next 3 years.
Country*
@@charleschamberlain5383 last i checked the title of the video says "Toronto" not "Canada"
@@noirceur_ yeah but it's pretty much the entirety of Canada
@@charleschamberlain5383 saying Toronto is almost the entirety of Canada is extremely ignorant. Canada is massive and has many major cities with a long storied history in sports and historical value. (and I'm not even Canadian).
That VC miss vs Philly made Kawhi's "IS THIS THE DAGGER?" that much better
both against Philly in the East semifinals.
It's like poetry, it rhymes.
As a Canadian in Toronto we all loved Vince Carter and he was one of our favourite players ever
Yeeeaaaahh, I dunno.
What he did for the Canadian basketball culture can’t be understated. Even if they picked a better player like Pierce or Dirk basketball probably wouldn’t be as big here.
For 2 seasons at least, Vinsanity was the most popular & most influential basketball superstar, not just in the NBA but all over the world. Arguably more famous than Shaq, AI, Kobe, KG, T-Mac, Pierce, whoever, at that time. YES, HE WAS "THE NEW MJ" for a couple of seasons.People kinda forget that. All that fame only diminished when all that dramarama in Toronto happened and Lebron , D-Wade and Carmelo arrived.Many people forget that.
my friend used to shout "vince carter" when shooting hoops in 2000 😂
Uhm. Pierce is not a better player than Vince
_Penguins pfp goated😎
@@jondabasol4613 Pierce was selected to two more all-star games, one more all nba team and won a finals mvp
Vince Carter needs to drink over Nelly for the culture.
must be the money
D Wade would give him a 9
Why?
@Lance thanks bro, i was hella confused 😂
You still see VC raptors jerseys in Canada to this day. Absolute legend.
This is honestly the earliest I’ve been for watching some basketball beef. 😂😂😂
The raptors front office was so garbage when Vince was there. Imagine if Vince has a Masai led office.
Masai and the core they have now 😶
Vince woulda been traded then 😂
Dude it was horrendous, some of the worst draft picks and trades I’ve seen in a long time.
Daniel M Mike babcock really set the franchise back for years because of his questionable trades and really dumb draft selections
@@amosports1506 The core - excluding Lowry - was built by Masai.
So... Masai. 🙂
These videos are so amazing for hardcore fans, especially younger ones like me who didnt really experience Vince Carter!
This isn't just a beef history. This is a 30 minute documentary on how to be loved, then hated then loved again by an entire city. Good job.
Oakley motivates everybody to ball out, but himself 😂
😂
But this reminds me of how the media treats Giannis, constantly trying to spin narratives in order to get him off the Bucks.
*Vince Carter is the greatest dunker of all time*
Vince Carter is the Michael Jordan when it comes to dunking.
That’s Zach LaVine, his dunks were way more impressive
Jordan Kilganon would like to know your location
SomeGuys’ Twin Brother until Zach straight up clears a 7 footer in the middle of a game and ends the man’s career, I refuse to believe that.
NBA in game dunker
My heart dropped when I saw the Lowry and DeRozan photo. I miss those two 💔
Lowrys still here
Yeah
I feel like we gonna have an episode of beef history "Kyrie Irving vs Boston" in 10 years.
It only lasted 3 years hahahaha
Boston has to accomplish something after he left to have any leverage on Kyrie who’s currently looking to win another ring on one of the best teams in the league
@@Cashmoneez That Brooklyn Nets team is a flop.
funny how i literally just watched the Carter Effect documentary on netflix last night, and then i wake up and yall post this
I appreciate that heads up. Will take a look at it
such a good documentary ive watched it like 3 times and it doesnt get worse
🔥Zay97🔥 you’re sick for being here. I need more comps. Might have to take the 7 outta your name like Savon the do was.😂😂
@@terrancejohnson9108 😂😂😂😂 thats hilarious
I would like to watch that besides The Last Dance. 😉
I held off on watching this because I was like "come on man, we're all over it."
Then I realized, I needed to see it. Nice to find a happy ending in one of these.
Everytime a video about Vince comes on I have to prepare myself to cry a little bit. Real ones in Toronto never gave up on Vince. My hero for real
As a Dallas Mavericks fan, I'll always love and respect Vince Carter 🙏🏽
This might be your best one yet. This beef was legendary
8:31 that shot would go in 17 years later.
Kawhi
This, but KG v. Minnesota/Glenn Taylor
"No doubt" you make the conference final if he doesn't take a day to his graduation? Hindsight man. In hindsight, if Oakley scored 2 more points, they definitely would have made the conference final. People overvalue gamewinning shots when some bench guy making one more of his shots earlier would have prevented the entire situation.
Luke Hewko I agree 100%
Truth
never forget Oakley missed a wide open layup in game 7
Not really, the tactics in the last few minutes change dramatically depending on who's winning. You can't say with any certainty who would have won if Oakley didn't miss a lay-up with 5 minutes to go in the 2nd. You can say with complete certainty that they would win if Carter made that shot.
But you also can't say that Carter makes that shot if he didn't go to NC, we won't know how differently he would have played.
And if carter disnt attend his graduation to fulfill his PROMISE to his mother, i dont really think he's gonna play great. bc hw close carter with his mom, not attending his promis will affect his mental for sure
Great video. The Toronto video section gave me goose bumps and almost brought me to tears.
As a new (bandwagon) Raptors fan, I really appreciate getting an in-depth review of this beef. I knew Vince was loved and hated but never really knew why, so thanks.
I'm happy for Vince and Toronto. That's a great moment with the video and him tearing up, and the fans giving him a standing ovation. Classy stuff. It's a great story with a happy ending desperately needed in this time we are currently living in.
This jawn got me tearing up at the end, i used to LOVE watching this guy and had no idea it was like that between he and Toronto...I'm glad that ended before he retired
As a Raptors fan I will always love Vince!
I will never forget how amazing he was and the fact that he gave me the love of basketball!
The future looked so bright when Vince signed that extension. Sucks everything ended the way it did.
Time heals all wounds was really looking to give him a proper send off in his last game in Toronto!
Nothing but love for Vincanity!
Can we get a Beef History between the Knicks and the city of New York
Dolan vs. New York
I love this series so much. Please keep doing what you’re doing.
saw the runtime and passed out from joy
Good lord, that ending speech by Seth was beautiful. Brought tears in my eyes not gonna lie.
I've been watching basketball since 1990 and I've played my fair share of games. Vince Carter as an athlete is one of the top 2 or 3 most exciting players I have ever seen (along with MJ). The way Vince cast fear into the hearts of shot blockers and defenders was something to behold. He made every big man of his age look like a bunch of preschoolers. I'm talking about Mourning, Mutumbo, Ben Wallace you name it. We're talking about some of the greatest defensive big men ever and he made them all look like children. He is unanimously considered the greatest dunker of all time. The end of Vince's career in Toronto was a sad time for me. Vince made mistakes no doubt but he never deserved the treatment he got. It proved to me how people's minds could easily be twisted by the media. His jersey belongs in the rafters at the ACC because without him the Raptors would have most likely gone the same route as the Vancouver Grizzlies. He was our first true superstar and one of the greatest athletes to ever walk on the basketball court.
Someone should do "the creation of SB nation deserves a deep rewind"
Amazing how they went from a simple Oakland A's blog to an appealing global sports blog that lead to non-sport spin-off blogs, which have had the same amount of influence in the internet world.
Eric Silver you post this every video. I like it every video. Every video, not the creation of SB Nation. It’s time to give up Eric
@@denistuohy2535 it will happen. I believe
I don’t know what’s worse. The fact that this guy posts this every video... or the the fact you were aware he posts it every video.
Remember when the Raptors drafted some random foreign dude in 04 ahead of Andre Iguodala? That folks sums up the Raps front office.
8 Teams passed on Iguodala. It's a crapshoot.
Because "foreign dudes" can't play, right? Just this one wasn't great. Good but not great.
Also, the Raptors Front Office in recent years that included Masai Ujiri drafted many worse players than Rafael Araújo ever was. The 2004 Draft year was not that good so it's a moot point.
Rob Babcock. The single handed idiot that destroyed the Raptors during that time. I hated that guy so much.
That was a long time ago, let it go.
There was a belief in Toronto than American players wouldn’t play in Canada and demand a trade, or would at least leave the first chance they got (see: McGrady, Carter, Stoudemire, Mourning, Camby, etc..) so they just drafted Euros for like a decade straight.
Mr. Pink that was over 15 yrs ago. The raps now have one of the best if not arguably the best front office
It is hard to forgive, but it is sweet at the end when you do it.
Vince was my favorite player growing up he was always giving his all