Chris Webber to Mitch Albom "They are getting $85 dollars for a Jersey with my name on it and I can't afford to get a pizza". The NCAA is the true antagonist in this story.
The school and all involved reaped 10's of millions of dollars marketing The Fab Five yet the players weren't compensated at all. Just their scholarships really.
Chris Webber came from a middle class Family, Father worked for auto manufacturer and Mother was a school teacher. Loved to portray himself as coming from the ghetto. That wasn't true. He could afford a pizza
The University of Michigan is the true antagonist. They were knowingly letting a criminal launder illegal money through their basketball program to get high level players. Ed Martin got all that money from an illegal gambling operation that he conducted at Ford auto plants. To launder the money he made, he'd entice high level recruits with the promise of money, then when they did play for Michigan, he'd loan them hundreds of thousands of dollars with the intent they'd pay him back after going pro.
Jalen already did a funny video about the 81 scored on him. it was a few years back, on the now defunct *Grantland* channel, w/ David Jacoby. it was part of their *"Jalen & Jacoby"* show, called *"Story Time w/ Jalen Rose"* . *ESPN:* th-cam.com/video/JdXXdXReIJQ/w-d-xo.html *_note:_* since *ESPN* has all the video/content rights of *Grantland* , i think they might've shortened the video linked above & made it more family friendly (& less _in your face_ ) then the video originally was.
That was simply a perfect encapsulation of the nature of the beef that most of us basketball fans didn't even fully understand. It's all personality driven and these two brothers should take the example of Magic and Isiah and squash the beef publicly.
Mr Rose is a sale out. Instead of using his notoriety to show how harsh the penalty was. He promotes Mr Webber as the villain. I wouldn’t take to his ___ either.
That would be top three all-time. 1) Magic and Isaiah 2) Kobe and Shaq 3) Jalen and Chris The first two have happened and were great. We need to get that 3rd conversation.
Sometimes it's just best to let things die and move on. Chris Webber is clearly not comfortable revisiting his past, and jalen rose seems to go out of his way to make sure people don't forget about Webber's past indiscretions. At this point I have to be honest and start questioning jalen rose's motives. Why is it so important to keep this Supposed legacy alive?
C-Webb is comfortable in his own skin after having a successful pro career that is worthy of HOF consideration and should have been in before T-Mac was ever considered.. Jalen on the other hand, while not a scrub, is best known for his Fab Five career than pro career. C-Webb was a winner at each of his pro stops. He put the Sacramento Kings on the map and was the victim of a more heinous sports crime in the rigging of the 2002 WCF.
You're thinking Jalen has an issue but guess what that legacy meant alot to the others not the whole team played in the NBA coincidence that only Webber isnt in the doc but everyone else was? Chris is and was selfish Jalen stood for not just the program but his coach and teamates. Jalen made money and lives a good life but for some of those guys and the coach and the program this meant alot and Webber ruined it with his selfishness
I Said What I Said A winner a each of his pro stops? He lost in college in a historic way. He lost in the NBA in a historic way. I’m one to bring up a players positives to measure greatest but that’s empirically false.
Not a lot of comments about the incredible and inspiring (and accurate) writing and storytelling that went into this piece. Really nice work, Seth and Ryan.
reggie has an eternal brotherhood with jalen for being his teammate for a while, specially with the good team they made in the 90's, but because webber and miller are fellow hof'ers without a ring, they are standing on the same level and technically, can't diss each other. basketball status is eternal even after players retired.
Who's here after Jalen Rose proclaims that Juwan Howard's UM Coach signing will bring the Fab Five back together (including he and Chris Webber)? At least me.
It was definitely something that pushed him forward in his career. Shill or not. A player that discusses personal issues with another player? Thats gold tv. And he knew it.
I can tell you Chris Webber’s side of the story right now: he accepted some money because he was a kid who didn’t fully appreciate the ramifications and then he accidentally made a mental mistake at the end of a nationally televised most important game of his career to that point despite being a peak athlete because he was mentally exhausted and like 20 years old at that point. He denied accepting the money because of the legal ramifications probably as the advice of council around him and then admitted it to the lie in order save his ass just before he felt it was going to become evident he lied. People and media have constantly beat up on him his whole adult life because it’s easy to do and they don’t fully appreciate the hard work it takes to become that level of an athlete. And he is therefore suspicious of media and people. He by nature is also probably a little introverted even if he forces himself to act differently in public. He doesn’t hate Rose but feels betrayed by him because of all the people who have told him to apologize and have criticized him, Rose is the most similar to him given their history. He expected Rose to be more empathetic and faces a dissonance in which he must decide if Rose truly does not understand where he is coming from or if Rose has sold him out. Chris has a hard time understanding the actions of Rose given Rose’s extroverted tendencies. Rose did not truly “sell out” Webber but was repeating things that were already said but given his job the book and personality traits it’s easy to see why Chris took it that way. Obviously Chris doesn’t feel like he should apologize because he feels misunderstood and doesn’t want to speak up because it’s not fair to him to be in a position where that’s the only way people will have more empathy for him despite it not being their business. This is not rocket science you guys. Also fantastic mini-doc btw!
This is me rewatching, Chris owes an apology to Ed Martin and Coach Fisher. That's really it. That's the point Jalen made throughout though he could have been a bit understanding, but he has to talk about because hes on TV and what hes paid to do.
C Webb is underrated as hell ever since the Timeout, idc what nobody said he was the best player out of the Fab Five by far everyone else at the top were journeymen.
Chris obviously was the best but Jalen was a very good player along with JHo.. Jimmy and Ray were good role players. Ray is a Dallas guy (As am I).and definitely made more $$ than anyone woulda thought so it seems everyone did ok
Can we get a deep rewind on the 1997 NCCA mens basketball tournament? Its Arizona's only championship and they came out of no where to upset 3 number 1 seeds and win it all.
Came out of nowhere? They were a four seed, had 3 future first round draft picks. That team was awesome and should be talked about but not because they came out of nowhere.
@@gunjac86 that team was 19-9 before the tournament started . No one had them winning the national championship but yeah they certainly weren't unknown
Yeah Jalen Rose wants to be remembered as part of the fab 5, Chris wants to be remembered as part of that Kings team that should've won the 2002 championship.
Was a sr in high school when Chris was a junior, was a wrestler who actually loved the game of basketball. Had some friends who loved it too. We had to see chris play. We went to a home game of his and saw him throw dunks like the rim was set at 8 ft. Was an awsome experience to see this high school athlete that we knew as going to change the game. And yes he and the fab 5 changed the game. Chris and Jalen and those guys meant so much to Michigan nation then and still do. For cripes sake put the damn banners up Michigan. Your supposed to teach. Try teaching forgiveness for Pete's sake.
Two Cents 🤦🏿♂️ obviously Jalen didn’t guard him the entire game. What coach would let Jalen Rose guard Kobe the entire game while he’s going for 81? It’s a joke.
It seems like Webber went “big time” as soon as he went first overall and he never really was as close to those guys as they thought. Webber seems to be all about Webber
Georgio Famous I know that... I was referring to the fact that it seems like Ray Allen and his teammates in Boston weren’t as close they thought they were. Not with the organization I should’ve made that clearer though
J Day He did...until Chris started lying on Ed Martin, someone who did a lot for both of them. The other 4 are all cool. Juwan is the only one still cool with Chris. What does that tell you?
From having watched this team as a UNC fan and realizing how they changed college basketball, all the way to watching the Fab Five move onto the NBA, I’d always wanted to see the Fab Five go back to Michigan and get the accolades they deserved. I’d like for this to be reconciled. Chris Webber being an honorary football captain and now Juwan Howard being the Michigan basketball coach tells me that there’s a chance of it coming. But I think that it’s still not too close to happening. It’s gonna come down to Chris and Jalen reconciling first.
It was discovered for the first time if a booster secretly paid good players hundreds of thousands, they were easier to recruit. This innovative recruiting had never been tried in college sports before.
@@nandouquintana5709 literally freshman starting on a basketball team, first college team to start all freshman which is what see all the time nowadays, also wearing black socks, baggy shorts
Breaks my heart. An iconic team and Chris is one of my favourite players of all time. Hopefully one day they can get back to being the group they were.
I think Reggie started it, but he definitely asked questions himself and kept it going. C-Webb actually says to Reggie after one bit, "You're supposed to be on my side".
When the Fab 5 came in the scene in Fall 91, i was a Sophmore in HS. They were 5 starting Freshmen who went all the way to the Title game. The next season, the 5 starting Sophmores again made it to the Title game. They were huge. They were legends. The entire College game hated them. All the other teams, players, announcers, broadcasters were against them. They changed everything. They started the baggy, long shorts. B4 that, players wore very short, tight shorts. They wore black socks, black sneakers, and shaved their heads. Everywhere u went, people were wearing Michigan gear. It was everywhere. Im a Uconn fan, cause i live in CT, but they were a must see. What a time to b a college hoops fan! Thanks for the great memories of the 91-92, And 92-93 season. Even after Webber left, the 4 of them made it to the elite 8 in 93-94 season. And that was it. Rose, and Howard left, and that was all she wrote
Thank you for that reminder. They were way bigger than their beef. I was a white kid in Wisconsin wearing the gold shorts and black socks. My memories of the Fab Five will always be positive. Think of all of the national chamions after and even the teams that beat them. None were even close to as important and influential as the FAB FIVE
There is other options. They can go to europe and get paid right away and youthful developmental professional leagues are popping up now. The problem is corruption and turning a blind eye to the secret hush society of this organization. .
objohnkenobi Jalen been coat tailing Webber! They bring up Country Day Suburbs but Jalen and Chris lived next door to each other in Detroit along with Vashon Leonard
He followed because they were friends...and both were angry at Duke. At that time Duke was only recruiting black kids from middle class families. Why? Less drama and more disciplined....is the stereotype. Duke's image was very important. Jalen made Chris a better player. Webber owes Coach Fisher.
Webber was signed sealed delivered to go to Michigan State then abruptly changes in mind. You can thank Martin giving the Fab5 plenty of illegal $$$$$$$.
@@hunterburk He only gave illegal money to Webber. Rose was acquitted. And the other three members didn't have any major involvment with Martin like Webber and Rose did. Jimmy King and Ray Jackson were from TEXAS, and Juwan was from ILLINOIS.
@@pyeuneuright c Webb was definitely a big part of their success but to make it out like he was jus carryin a bunch of garbage dudes to relevance no that's completely untrue
Lol Jalen Rose was working media before he even retired. You must be young don’t think you know what happened from a TH-cam video. Look up the charges filed
Webber definitely made a mistake by lying re Ed Martin but Jalen used to gossip about the Fab 5 & throw him under the bus to a gleeful Bill Simmons all the damn time-esp after that 30 for 30. So yeah-he def dragged Chris’ name through the mud to boost his career/image. No question...and I wouldn’t give him the time of day either.
You know Chris Webber lied under oath and ruined their teams legacy way before either of them worked in media right? So yeah stating that he ruined their legacy by lying under oath is a very public fact. With court documents. Its not throwing him under the bus Web threw everyone including teammates, the school and the man who helped support him under the bus instead of telling the truth
@@gobot581 Amen to that. Interesting how people seem to forget those facts. Weber's choices/mistakes kicked off the entire thing. He hurt multiple people around him. But somehow jalen rose is to blame. Totally ridiculous.
Tough when your two biggest moments are almosts! The timeout and the Robert Horry shot (although it wasn’t C-Web that was directly involved in this King’s heartbreaker). I was a huge Sacramento fan during the C-Web era but these shenanigans were always murky. Thanks for bringing some clarity to this beef almost.
That's because Jalen was his boy, and he probably knows who Webber really is. Webber always struck me as kind of soft and dishonest. But I'm a Michigan fan, so I'm going to embrace the guy who still loves Michigan and wants them to be successful.
I feel where Webber is coming from. I feel where Rose is coming from. At some point probably after the 30 for 30, and maybe even after the Dan Patrick interview, Rose could've and should've killed the whole thing by not speaking on it anymore. Sometimes as men we have to bury the hatchet regardless if there is closure or not. Sometimes silence is your greatest weapon.
Webber ignored their texts, Webber didnt want to do it in private, time to air it out. Jalen is trying to make progress and took the text/call approach and it didnt work. I dont blame Jalen for wanting to resolve something that doesnt just affect him, but it affects 3 other guys.
I appreciate this video. Not many people know that two kids from Detroit have history that is unexplained. I feel its best that Chris does his own docu like with Showtime or HBO or even the streaming platforms. But I feel Chris should tell his side of the story his way
Dam C-Webb had it tough. The 2 NCAA Championship losses, the trial, the 01 WCF, injuries & getting banned from Michigan temporarily. Still glad he's still doing his thing.
I doubt it but Rose and Webber were best friends at 11 years old, until they were at least nearly 30 or more. We know Chris was a bigger star, but I think it's messed up the stuff he did. He lied to the grand jury and acts like he didn't do anything wrong. Even Juwan Howard said Chris doesn't want to be friends with him either.
They will be tension until Chris makes amends for how he dragged ed Martin, dude was a support to ALL the ball players, I repeat ALL, not just the elite guys, all chris had to is what Jalen did - TELL THE TRUTH!!! instead he lied and then said ed took advantage of the "naivete of a kid from the hood", question: if you have a friend who spreads lies about another you're close to do you let it ride? Or do you confront it and the truth be known?
It's none of Jalen's business, tbh. Ed (if he had lived) was going to get his own revenge on Chris by testifying against him. Why does Jalen have such a hard on to make Webber be an honest man? If he were really his friend, why didn't Jalen confront Chris in private first? And who would Chris be apologizing to because Ed Martin is dead? Chris is no angel but this comes off passive aggressive AF with ulterior motives on Jalen's part.
@@Paradise2003 we dont know if chris and Jalen have talked privately or not, but I'm pretty sure if a friend of yours spoke lies about someone who was like family to you you would have something to say about whether it was your place to or not
Southern Gent I’m pretty sure they didn’t speak privately or one of them would have mentioned it by now. Either way, the only thing you can do is talk to someone. You can’t force him to do anything and public shaming doesn’t help. I’m sure Jalen knows that which is why he looks even more suspect, imo.
Chris Webber to Mitch Albom "They are getting $85 dollars for a Jersey with my name on it and I can't afford to get a pizza". The NCAA is the true antagonist in this story.
The school and all involved reaped 10's of millions of dollars marketing The Fab Five yet the players weren't compensated at all. Just their scholarships really.
Exactly I couldn't care less if Chris had the M for Michigan in his pocket.
And now College sports are broken so good job
Chris Webber came from a middle class Family, Father worked for auto manufacturer and Mother was a school teacher. Loved to portray himself as coming from the ghetto. That wasn't true. He could afford a pizza
The University of Michigan is the true antagonist. They were knowingly letting a criminal launder illegal money through their basketball program to get high level players. Ed Martin got all that money from an illegal gambling operation that he conducted at Ford auto plants. To launder the money he made, he'd entice high level recruits with the promise of money, then when they did play for Michigan, he'd loan them hundreds of thousands of dollars with the intent they'd pay him back after going pro.
Scottie Pippen vs Isiah Thomas PLEASE.
Hmmm honestly didn't know about this one
Jeb Kush it’s. Still. Going. LOL
I've been trying to get that or Michael Jordan vs Isaiah Thomas but sb nation hates that topic I guess
How about Isiah vs Mike
Either way I'm into it. Maybe it's better to do Pippen Isiah and then there can be a Jordan section.
To Quote Charles Barkley " everythings cool until the BOOK comes out"
No one can Prove a Lie & Yahshua is the WAY the TRUTH & The Life ( John 14 : 6 )
@@victorwilliams1167 The bible is a book of contradiction, check out the one message foundation.
@@a.n4524 i really think you need to do more research on false accusations
@@waldo-ot6ul amen people always darken counsel without knowledge not knowing an account will be given
Bill Simmons vs ESPN?
Jalen Rose vs the # 81?
Sports fans vs Molly Qerim?
Black Mamba nightmares
I'll take care of molly for yall sports fanatics🍆🍆🥊🥊😍😍😎😎
Jalen already did a funny video about the 81 scored on him.
it was a few years back, on the now defunct *Grantland* channel, w/ David Jacoby.
it was part of their *"Jalen & Jacoby"* show, called *"Story Time w/ Jalen Rose"* .
*ESPN:* th-cam.com/video/JdXXdXReIJQ/w-d-xo.html
*_note:_* since *ESPN* has all the video/content rights of *Grantland* , i think they might've shortened the video linked above & made it more family friendly (& less _in your face_ ) then the video originally was.
Bahaha lmao @ "Jalen v 81" 😂😂😂
I'm for the latter! I hate that trick!!!
This is one of the best videos you've ever made. Amazing
I felt the same and was going to make a post similar to yours until I saw your post
So Amazing and so sad...I don't know them personally but I'm rooting for them to get along to form the Fab 🖐 again...
@@bwen18 Understandable that the best player, Webber, wants to separate himself from his twice defeated college team.
Right? I had to keep rewinding (heh) because it's packed with good stuff.
I just " discovered" this page, but I agree,this is a good video.
That was simply a perfect encapsulation of the nature of the beef that most of us basketball fans didn't even fully understand. It's all personality driven and these two brothers should take the example of Magic and Isiah and squash the beef publicly.
JB Fox Webb gotta admit he was wrong tho
Mr Rose is a sale out. Instead of using his notoriety to show how harsh the penalty was. He promotes Mr Webber as the villain. I wouldn’t take to his ___ either.
Why it gotta be public?
@@centerwarren I agree
Even their hairlines still beefing... neither one is backing up.
Which makes me jealous
Good One
Damn this is a good one.
💯😭
That was good lol 😆
Colin Cowherd vs marriages please
😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂
Damn 😂😂😂
JL I don't think he likes Stephen a Smith too much, but he's definitely scared to death of Jim Rome for some odd reason
john jones Jim Rome hasn’t been relevant in a decade. Does he still work for ESPN?
Damn, Rob Pelinka be in the middle of everything lol.
With all due respect, Rob could hit jumpers
Jalen and Chris need to have sit down conversation one on one like IT and Magic did
That would be top three all-time.
1) Magic and Isaiah
2) Kobe and Shaq
3) Jalen and Chris
The first two have happened and were great. We need to get that 3rd conversation.
Word because I like both of them off the court. I like Chris more though on and off the court
Id love to see a Players Only between Chris and Jalen
Same with J Kidd, Jim Jackson and Jamal Mashburn.
shoot so do Mike and Chuck.
I just flipped the tv and saw the Fab Five reunited at the Michigan game for the first time and immediately thought of this vid. Lol
"Maybe by the time your watch this"
Which was today
Good luck Juwan
@Michigan fan O-H
Why do you say that? Have they squashed the beef?
@@dmoney21 I-O
We will always love the fab 5 in DETROIT no matter what happens internally .
Me too
Hell, even this lifelong Buckeye fan respects them n appreciates the changes they made to college hoops!
Sometimes it's just best to let things die and move on.
Chris Webber is clearly not comfortable revisiting his past, and jalen rose seems to go out of his way to make sure people don't forget about Webber's past indiscretions. At this point I have to be honest and start questioning jalen rose's motives. Why is it so important to keep this Supposed legacy alive?
C-Webb is comfortable in his own skin after having a successful pro career that is worthy of HOF consideration and should have been in before T-Mac was ever considered.. Jalen on the other hand, while not a scrub, is best known for his Fab Five career than pro career. C-Webb was a winner at each of his pro stops. He put the Sacramento Kings on the map and was the victim of a more heinous sports crime in the rigging of the 2002 WCF.
I Said What I Said Sacramento queens fans I stg 🤦🏽♂️😂
You're thinking Jalen has an issue but guess what that legacy meant alot to the others not the whole team played in the NBA coincidence that only Webber isnt in the doc but everyone else was? Chris is and was selfish Jalen stood for not just the program but his coach and teamates. Jalen made money and lives a good life but for some of those guys and the coach and the program this meant alot and Webber ruined it with his selfishness
I Said What I Said A winner a each of his pro stops? He lost in college in a historic way. He lost in the NBA in a historic way. I’m one to bring up a players positives to measure greatest but that’s empirically false.
I Said What I Said T-Mac is in HOF but Webber isn’t? This is ridiculous.
And we finally have a peaceful resolution... thank you Jalen and Chris for giving us a nice, touching moment on ESPN.
Ray Allen vs KG and the Celtics
Gabriel Mejia you mean rondo
^^ Kg vs Ray Allen is gonna be good I feel it
Ive heard that one to death please no
doesn't everyone know this though?
Ray vs rhondo or ray vs Paul Peirce
Not a lot of comments about the incredible and inspiring (and accurate) writing and storytelling that went into this piece. Really nice work, Seth and Ryan.
I love seeing Reggie sitting next to Web when he's talking about Jalen. Just look at his face, he ain't hearing that.
Yeah because he knows playing with Jalen is that he is an honest guy.
Yes!!! I thought the exact same thing
Yeah that was really awkward, didn’t even give him a pity smirk.
THE BATMAN : I got the same impression; like he either knows better regardless to what Chris was saying, or, he just doesn't like Chris.
reggie has an eternal brotherhood with jalen for being his teammate for a while, specially with the good team they made in the 90's, but because webber and miller are fellow hof'ers without a ring, they are standing on the same level and technically, can't diss each other. basketball status is eternal even after players retired.
Who's here after Jalen Rose proclaims that Juwan Howard's UM Coach signing will bring the Fab Five back together (including he and Chris Webber)?
At least me.
😂 I am
Me
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Neveer Hap😧
But Good Luck
Next Beef History Enes Kanter vs the Turkish Government
Hey, @SB Nation, look at this!
Turkey kills thousands of political dissidents
too real
@@trevorharmon1 which is why kanter is a bad ass.
That’ll actually make a good documentary lol
Rose milked the Sh** out of this beef. I'm sure that he's got a huge merch of " Time out", " One dude" and "I'm not elated by this news".
It was definitely something that pushed him forward in his career. Shill or not. A player that discusses personal issues with another player? Thats gold tv. And he knew it.
@@Whatacomedian_ I totally agree. Whatever Webber did wrong, shouldn't have been made public by Jalen and Jalen clearly benefited from it.
@@kyrianb lol when you’re a snake and a huge liar that’s not anybodies fault but Chris’s. Shouldn’t have been such a weenie Chris is a snake smh.
It seems to me like Webber just wants to move on and forget about it and Jalen can’t stop talking about it. So who is it really bothering more? 😂
Detroit had so many good athletes.
Mike the list of the best athletes from Detroit and the best athletes to have played in Detroit are ridiculous.
Crazy how many good Old School players came from the 313
And rappers! NF and Eminem!
All they draft is athletic rebounders
Laron DaGod I’m talking about the amount the amount of athletes from Detroit
I can tell you Chris Webber’s side of the story right now: he accepted some money because he was a kid who didn’t fully appreciate the ramifications and then he accidentally made a mental mistake at the end of a nationally televised most important game of his career to that point despite being a peak athlete because he was mentally exhausted and like 20 years old at that point. He denied accepting the money because of the legal ramifications probably as the advice of council around him and then admitted it to the lie in order save his ass just before he felt it was going to become evident he lied. People and media have constantly beat up on him his whole adult life because it’s easy to do and they don’t fully appreciate the hard work it takes to become that level of an athlete. And he is therefore suspicious of media and people. He by nature is also probably a little introverted even if he forces himself to act differently in public. He doesn’t hate Rose but feels betrayed by him because of all the people who have told him to apologize and have criticized him, Rose is the most similar to him given their history. He expected Rose to be more empathetic and faces a dissonance in which he must decide if Rose truly does not understand where he is coming from or if Rose has sold him out. Chris has a hard time understanding the actions of Rose given Rose’s extroverted tendencies. Rose did not truly “sell out” Webber but was repeating things that were already said but given his job the book and personality traits it’s easy to see why Chris took it that way. Obviously Chris doesn’t feel like he should apologize because he feels misunderstood and doesn’t want to speak up because it’s not fair to him to be in a position where that’s the only way people will have more empathy for him despite it not being their business.
This is not rocket science you guys. Also fantastic mini-doc btw!
This chris’ burner account?
This is me rewatching, Chris owes an apology to Ed Martin and Coach Fisher. That's really it. That's the point Jalen made throughout though he could have been a bit understanding, but he has to talk about because hes on TV and what hes paid to do.
SOURCE: TRUST ME BRO I WAS THERE
@@speakinfaxonly21”IM HIM” 😂😂
You don’t know him so you can’t say his side. It doesn’t have to be rocket science, you just don’t know what you’re talking about
Chris Webber : Time out!!!!
Ref: NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO DO IT!!!!!
LOL. damn you people.
Was that a Double X reference?
Jon B most likely a jalen and jacoby podcast reference
😂😂
MahoganyCHET And the Jalen and Jacoby podcast reference is a Double X Posse reference, lol.
This is the reason Webber keeps on getting skipped over for HOF...
I think you're right.
J Day ?
How's this racist by any means?
And didn't make it this year!
He don’t deserve it anyways imo
One of the best channels on TH-cam been going back to watch the older stuff and it still hits
C Webb is underrated as hell ever since the Timeout, idc what nobody said he was the best player out of the Fab Five by far everyone else at the top were journeymen.
Agreed but still doesn't make Chris right on this issue
Marcus Mack also the fakest.How u lie on Ed Martin and he gave u 600,000 at 18
Chris obviously was the best but Jalen was a very good player along with JHo.. Jimmy and Ray were good role players. Ray is a Dallas guy (As am I).and definitely made more $$ than anyone woulda thought so it seems everyone did ok
Can we get a deep rewind on the 1997 NCCA mens basketball tournament? Its Arizona's only championship and they came out of no where to upset 3 number 1 seeds and win it all.
monkeywithchainsaw1 I agree with this. If auburn wins out this year they will get a doc in the future.
Came out of nowhere? They were a four seed, had 3 future first round draft picks. That team was awesome and should be talked about but not because they came out of nowhere.
@@gunjac86 that team was 19-9 before the tournament started . No one had them winning the national championship but yeah they certainly weren't unknown
Bibby, Dickerson and Miles Simon on that team?
3 seed Texas tech might do it against 1 seed Virginia. History sometimes repeat itself
It just seems like Jalen Rose wants to live on his college legacy forever while Chris is okay with leaving it in the past
@C Jalen definitely had a good career. Fringe all star in his prime, scored 20 PPG for some teams, he had a solid career
Thats because Webber through the College Championship w that time out. ALL YOUR SPORTS ARE RIGGED
@C yes Jalen did tf
I mean it's because Chris ruined it for all of them
Yeah Jalen Rose wants to be remembered as part of the fab 5, Chris wants to be remembered as part of that Kings team that should've won the 2002 championship.
The NCAA did C-Webb hella dirty..
The NCAA does everyone dirty. Keeping the legacy of slavery alive and well in America.
Can't Beat The BAY! Then he did the Warriors hella dirty
Everybody takes money
They did Steve Fisher dirtier
@@Ironman1o1 they get free scholarships. Cry more
this is sad please forgive each other life is too short and no it won't happen overnight but fix it now.
True
Hahahhahahah
They should take a time a timeout and talk to each other. 🤩
Was a sr in high school when Chris was a junior, was a wrestler who actually loved the game of basketball. Had some friends who loved it too. We had to see chris play. We went to a home game of his and saw him throw dunks like the rim was set at 8 ft. Was an awsome experience to see this high school athlete that we knew as going to change the game. And yes he and the fab 5 changed the game. Chris and Jalen and those guys meant so much to Michigan nation then and still do. For cripes sake put the damn banners up Michigan. Your supposed to teach. Try teaching forgiveness for Pete's sake.
Aaron Rodgers vs mike McCarthy beef.
McCarthy would put paws on a rod
Teflon DaDon you silly😂 but man i can see it
I say let that one simmer a bit we might not've seen the end of it yet
Would be good but too early so much could happen
we need this
"Because I've been trolled like no other human in sports history"
Unreal Chris
I knew I remembered Rob Pelinka from somewhere. I thought I was going crazy.
Yeah it’s annoying tbh
CWebb number 4
Jalen is number 5
5+4=9
You know what else equals to 9?
8+1
why are we here just to suffer HEH why 🤣😂 just why
81st like
81 on Jalen’s head.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
9 x 9 is also 81
Do Jalen Rose vs 81 points memes
Mike West is this Jalen’s secretive TH-cam account?
Zhuoran Li 🤣🤣🤣
Derek Lowe which is why he had to get that 81 in his life
Courney Hallcy Kobe only scored about 19 of the 81 against Rose. He didn’t guard him the whole game.
Two Cents 🤦🏿♂️ obviously Jalen didn’t guard him the entire game. What coach would let Jalen Rose guard Kobe the entire game while he’s going for 81? It’s a joke.
The beef is over! The Michigan Fav 5 reunited in Michigan for the first time since 93… we need some kind of video by Seth or Clara 👀👀
Seth
Do the Timberwolves vs. the Playoffs
Funniest comment ever
Lol
Don't you mean the Kings vs the playoffs? Coming from a Kings fan.
Oof..
@@tynekotrott770 kings have had good playoff teams though.
It seems like Webber went “big time” as soon as he went first overall and he never really was as close to those guys as they thought. Webber seems to be all about Webber
And rose seems to be all about exploiting what webber is all about. So what does that make him????
That’s the impression I got as well. Reminds a bit of the Ray Allen & Boston situation
@@SubjectZ3RO Boston played Ray stop it
Georgio Famous I know that... I was referring to the fact that it seems like Ray Allen and his teammates in Boston weren’t as close they thought they were. Not with the organization I should’ve made that clearer though
J Day He did...until Chris started lying on Ed Martin, someone who did a lot for both of them. The other 4 are all cool. Juwan is the only one still cool with Chris. What does that tell you?
From having watched this team as a UNC fan and realizing how they changed college basketball, all the way to watching the Fab Five move onto the NBA, I’d always wanted to see the Fab Five go back to Michigan and get the accolades they deserved. I’d like for this to be reconciled. Chris Webber being an honorary football captain and now Juwan Howard being the Michigan basketball coach tells me that there’s a chance of it coming. But I think that it’s still not too close to happening. It’s gonna come down to Chris and Jalen reconciling first.
In which sense did they change basketball?
It was discovered for the first time if a booster secretly paid good players hundreds of thousands, they were easier to recruit.
This innovative recruiting had never been tried in college sports before.
@@nandouquintana5709 literally freshman starting on a basketball team, first college team to start all freshman which is what see all the time nowadays, also wearing black socks, baggy shorts
Breaks my heart. An iconic team and Chris is one of my favourite players of all time. Hopefully one day they can get back to being the group they were.
ngl. the only way i know jalen rose was that he was on my league legends 2k mobile team.
While these two guys were beefing and having “good careers”, Juwan Howard out here was minding his own business winning a ring 😂
You mean rings but great point
c web should of had a championship if not for the worst officiated game in the league history.
As a bum on the bench
Yo chill he was just on the team 😂
He watched the 5 starters win the championship actually
Reggie Miller's look basically says he believes Jalen.
bruh fr tho
Facts, he was pushing that shirt towards C-Webb like whatever dude...
Douglas Taggart stop acting like you know this guy personally... you see him on tv 😂😂😂
Ehh.
poker face while Webber's on a tangent like 😐 yeah bruh jalens right you're still hurting
I never felt more bad........for REGGIE MILLER during that Dan Patrick interview.
I think Reggie started it, but he definitely asked questions himself and kept it going. C-Webb actually says to Reggie after one bit, "You're supposed to be on my side".
Those two need to get on one of those one-on-one interviews that Shaq and Kobe were on
That would be a definite must watch!!
Jalen would definitely do it
Jalen would definitely do it
Jalen needs to make shirts that say "One Dude..."
🤣🤣🤣🤣
The way he's benefited off of throwing Chris under the bus, I'm shocked that he hasn't already.
Chris threw the whole program and his own squad under the bus
Josh Lewis exactly
The Juwan Howard Chris Webber bullets team was legit. They had the MCI Center rocking.
Max Kirkman they put up tons of banners!!!!!!
So many playoff exits!
Along with a young Ben Wallace coming off the bench, is how stacked the bigs were.
Imagine if the NBA didn't cancel the Howard to Miami signing?
@@drunkroku4054
I believe rasheed Wallace started there too
Yall should do Reggie Miller vs the entire city of New York/ Spike Lee
They had it at ESPN 30 for 30, but SB nation should have their own version of it too.
Ewing owned Reggie aside from those shots
No need the 30:30 is great
Awwl now i gotta go back and erase mines. That was my thought. Well let me erase it now. 😂😂
@@JoeBro915 ewing wasnt exactly reggie's matchups...
When the Fab 5 came in the scene in Fall 91, i was a Sophmore in HS. They were 5 starting Freshmen who went all the way to the Title game.
The next season, the 5 starting Sophmores again made it to the Title game.
They were huge. They were legends. The entire College game hated them. All the other teams, players, announcers, broadcasters were against them.
They changed everything. They started the baggy, long shorts. B4 that, players wore very short, tight shorts. They wore black socks, black sneakers, and shaved their heads.
Everywhere u went, people were wearing Michigan gear. It was everywhere.
Im a Uconn fan, cause i live in CT, but they were a must see.
What a time to b a college hoops fan! Thanks for the great memories of the 91-92, And 92-93 season. Even after Webber left, the 4 of them made it to the elite 8 in 93-94 season.
And that was it. Rose, and Howard left, and that was all she wrote
Thank you for that reminder. They were way bigger than their beef. I was a white kid in Wisconsin wearing the gold shorts and black socks. My memories of the Fab Five will always be positive. Think of all of the national chamions after and even the teams that beat them. None were even close to as important and influential as the FAB FIVE
I watched the documentary and apparently Bill Walton hated them 😳
@@eddiefelson1288 Well said man!!
*NCAA player gets payed 1$* ok boys u know the drill
If they don’t like it they can get a real job.
Jordan the GOAT had no problem doing it
@@ifeellikeyeezus8525 shut yo ass up
There is other options. They can go to europe and get paid right away and youthful developmental professional leagues are popping up now. The problem is corruption and turning a blind eye to the secret hush society of this organization. .
*paid
"When Webber went to Michigan, Rose followed him..." because that's what he was paid to do.
objohnkenobi Jalen been coat tailing Webber! They bring up Country Day Suburbs but Jalen and Chris lived next door to each other in Detroit along with Vashon Leonard
WRONG
He followed because they were friends...and both were angry at Duke. At that time Duke was only recruiting black kids from middle class families. Why? Less drama and more disciplined....is the stereotype. Duke's image was very important. Jalen made Chris a better player. Webber owes Coach Fisher.
Webber was signed sealed delivered to go to Michigan State then abruptly changes in mind. You can thank Martin giving the Fab5 plenty of illegal $$$$$$$.
@@hunterburk He only gave illegal money to Webber. Rose was acquitted. And the other three members didn't have any major involvment with Martin like Webber and Rose did. Jimmy King and Ray Jackson were from TEXAS, and Juwan was from ILLINOIS.
Very very very GOOD reporting...Outstanding clip with factual info that I was not aware of.
Great job 👏🏾
Do Chris Webber VS Timeouts
Lol I was looking for this comment 👍
Bofl the funniest thing I've seen in the comments 😂😂😂
Do Jalen Rose vs Kobe
😆😂
JR vs Timeouts
C Webb is like Wilt at Kansas. He burdens that championship loss but they were both the only reason their teams were competitive
Michigan reached final 4 or 8 after webber left, so not entirely true.
@@pyeuneuright c Webb was definitely a big part of their success but to make it out like he was jus carryin a bunch of garbage dudes to relevance no that's completely untrue
Absolutely love all your stuff. Surprised you haven’t done a deep rewind on the Webber timeout. I’d love to see that.
Rose does exploit this beef in the media waaay too much....you got an espn gig behind it, now leave it alone🙄
Lol Jalen Rose was working media before he even retired. You must be young don’t think you know what happened from a TH-cam video. Look up the charges filed
@@gobot581 fax
Vince Carter vs. the city of Toronto (or entire population of Canada)
Lmao canada do not dislike him
@@NemoHoes Not anymore :-)
@@SFO14 they never did
@@NemoHoes You must be young...almost every Raptors fan hated him after he left Toronto for New Jersey
@@SFO14 nope mid 30s I never heard him get any hate
Jalen's ridden this story to the top of espn, wonder if he can keep it alive to keep himself relevant.
You must can't see beyond recent history
God damn this was well put together. Did not feel like a 16 minute video at all. Good job!
Ray Jackson was incredibly underrated.
TY for pointing out this wouldn’t have happened if players were compensated for earning schools millions 🤦🏼♂️
They get free tuition and stipends and the schools cater to them heavily. That's actually quite a lot of compensation in both money and resources.
Webber definitely made a mistake by lying re Ed Martin but Jalen used to gossip about the Fab 5 & throw him under the bus to a gleeful Bill Simmons all the damn time-esp after that 30 for 30. So yeah-he def dragged Chris’ name through the mud to boost his career/image. No question...and I wouldn’t give him the time of day either.
Thank you. Jalen gossips far too much, especially always telling on former players about their personal lives...He too chatty.
Jalen a str8 h0
yeah i agree. Jalen just kEEPS on bringing it up
You know Chris Webber lied under oath and ruined their teams legacy way before either of them worked in media right? So yeah stating that he ruined their legacy by lying under oath is a very public fact. With court documents. Its not throwing him under the bus Web threw everyone including teammates, the school and the man who helped support him under the bus instead of telling the truth
@@gobot581 Amen to that. Interesting how people seem to forget those facts. Weber's choices/mistakes kicked off the entire thing. He hurt multiple people around him. But somehow jalen rose is to blame. Totally ridiculous.
Reggie miller jalen former teammate had the straightest of faces on
Lol🤣😂he did
I noticed that too..lol... I thought to myself they hve to be promoting Uncle Drew...
why you think?
Jesse Avila cause he know Jaylen a damn hater
@@jayythrash3646 I thought he trying to make peace but c webber ain't I guess I was wrong
This is so well done, very informative and funny. I am just a fan.
Tough when your two biggest moments are almosts! The timeout and the Robert Horry shot (although it wasn’t C-Web that was directly involved in this King’s heartbreaker). I was a huge Sacramento fan during the C-Web era but these shenanigans were always murky. Thanks for bringing some clarity to this beef almost.
I click this video and finish it so fast, the Fab Five brotherhood hasn't became a whole yet.
MY FAULT
Dang, same damn result here!
I'm kinda on Webber's side. A college mistake is ridiculous to keep bringing up, especially when they both have successful careers.
Downtown Clay Davis yeah I’ve always hated Jalen rose I think he’s such a loud mouth and the fact that he can’t let it go is just sad
It's not about a college mistake...it's about his character through his entire life. Webber is a liar and a scumbag
Thats cause you a weenie, you don't 💩 on somebody that took care of you, cause you got caught up and LIED in court.
@Duck my sick 876 Webber didn't just lie once. You don't know Webber. Learn about the guy.
@Duck my sick 876 I'm not knocking him for being a kid what are you talking about??!!
Two of my favorite players ever, my introduction to college basketball was the Fab 5 and it sucks seeing them like this.
lmao miller and rose were tight so seeing Reggie just being like :| made me laugh
😂😂😂😂
Exactly..
Reggie and Rose ain't exactly close either. Rose called out Reggie for not paying his fine for coming off the bench.
I think Chris not being in the 30 for 30 is what makes it so great!
Can you do Andy Reid vs The game clock (when under 2 minutes left)
Or they can do one about Dan Quinn vs Clock Management.
Pimps & hoes no street corners,
Basketball courts & football fields.
That's Too Far!!! LOL
😂😂😂😂😂😁
lmfao
13:30 Reggie Miller's poker face! 😂🤣😂 he wanted no part of that interview.
That's because Jalen was his boy, and he probably knows who Webber really is. Webber always struck me as kind of soft and dishonest. But I'm a Michigan fan, so I'm going to embrace the guy who still loves Michigan and wants them to be successful.
@@DaveRSuperstar records show exactly that, well, the dishonest part at least.
Well i m here after watching both of them talk emotionally about chris webber getting elected into hall of fame.
Bro you seem feminine
@@davidgaskins2589 well thanks for making it about me lol, nobody cares
I feel where Webber is coming from. I feel where Rose is coming from. At some point probably after the 30 for 30, and maybe even after the Dan Patrick interview, Rose could've and should've killed the whole thing by not speaking on it anymore. Sometimes as men we have to bury the hatchet regardless if there is closure or not. Sometimes silence is your greatest weapon.
Webber ignored their texts, Webber didnt want to do it in private, time to air it out. Jalen is trying to make progress and took the text/call approach and it didnt work. I dont blame Jalen for wanting to resolve something that doesnt just affect him, but it affects 3 other guys.
Joe Mendoza and Webb lied on someone that’s not here to defend himself
They need to sit down with no cameras, with a mediator and squash this beef. It's gone on long enough
13:45: Look at Miller's body language while Chris Webber is talking. Speaks volumes.
Naw, he was having flash backs of Michael Jordan grabbing him in the throat in that playoff game. Lmao
@@morriswhitaker236 hilfuckinarious 😂 😂
@@morriswhitaker236 jordan could do that to anyone. Reggie is a legend in his own right.
Yea speaks volumes like I used to lose a lot of games with jalen he would never do that
I appreciate this video. Not many people know that two kids from Detroit have history that is unexplained. I feel its best that Chris does his own docu like with Showtime or HBO or even the streaming platforms. But I feel Chris should tell his side of the story his way
Damn 🤦🏽♂️ is it hard for a man to apologize?
Its crazy cuz Chris Webber played on uncle drew and was the character who told drew to stop hiding from the truth.
Allen Iverson Vs. David Stern next please
Dam C-Webb had it tough. The 2 NCAA Championship losses, the trial, the 01 WCF, injuries & getting banned from Michigan temporarily. Still glad he's still doing his thing.
but he dated Tyra Banks, Made more money than all Fab Five combined and recently did a huge movie, with Kyrie Irving so I think he is winning.
@@jlgmail1580 lol yep. Sure is
Who's here after jalen said the hiring of juwan will bring them back together
I think this is my favorite BH episode. Really nice job, guys.
Yeah this is some quality work here. Loved it.
Mateen Cleaves (sp) was on the cover of Final Four 2001. The first college basketball game I owned as a kid.
Does Rose have a crush on Webber sheesh😂
I doubt it but Rose and Webber were best friends at 11 years old, until they were at least nearly 30 or more. We know Chris was a bigger star, but I think it's messed up the stuff he did. He lied to the grand jury and acts like he didn't do anything wrong.
Even Juwan Howard said Chris doesn't want to be friends with him either.
Webber was the man and he knows it .!let's be honest the best game of all of them more charisma than all of them... Don't apologize for s**t!
Webber is this one of your ghost accounts? LMFAO
Andre Drummond vs Free Throws please
Shaq vs Free Throws first...
Ben Wallace second
@@fredx239 okay that works😂
Bucket God well considering he can actually shoot them now it would make no sense
@@Marquise95 sorry Marquise
Just look at Reggie Miller's face while C. Webb is giving his side. Reggie's face says it all.
🌹 *never* loses to Webber in any debate as long as Ms First Take has something to say about it.
They will be tension until Chris makes amends for how he dragged ed Martin, dude was a support to ALL the ball players, I repeat ALL, not just the elite guys, all chris had to is what Jalen did - TELL THE TRUTH!!! instead he lied and then said ed took advantage of the "naivete of a kid from the hood", question: if you have a friend who spreads lies about another you're close to do you let it ride? Or do you confront it and the truth be known?
Confrontation all day.
It's none of Jalen's business, tbh. Ed (if he had lived) was going to get his own revenge on Chris by testifying against him. Why does Jalen have such a hard on to make Webber be an honest man? If he were really his friend, why didn't Jalen confront Chris in private first? And who would Chris be apologizing to because Ed Martin is dead? Chris is no angel but this comes off passive aggressive AF with ulterior motives on Jalen's part.
@@Paradise2003 we dont know if chris and Jalen have talked privately or not, but I'm pretty sure if a friend of yours spoke lies about someone who was like family to you you would have something to say about whether it was your place to or not
Southern Gent I’m pretty sure they didn’t speak privately or one of them would have mentioned it by now. Either way, the only thing you can do is talk to someone. You can’t force him to do anything and public shaming doesn’t help. I’m sure Jalen knows that which is why he looks even more suspect, imo.
@@Paradise2003 ok
Jalen was talking about Chris like he owned him a direct apology
Aaaah, so that's why Chris Webber is not a HoF member yet....
makes sense now
I believe Rose over Webber
you would
B Y he told
Cuz you dumb af and an ape when it comes to critical thinking.
There is no "I TAKE HIS SIDE OVER HIS." Grow the fk up.
6:10 hell yeah, pay student athletes who make their schools millions at great personal risk
Reggie miller wanted to lay webber out lol !!real teammate
Too bad he wouldn't be able to do it though...Webber would thunder twop Reggie,and I respect Reggie Miller
rewind the immaculatge recpetion. its one of the most iconic plays in sports history. you gotta
Who’s here after they finally talked again??
Latrell Spreewell vs PJ Carlisimo or Kobe vs Smush Parker
The man has children to support!
Lol you damn near can’t find the Latrell video anywhere