Kobe Bryant's beef with Ray Allen was short, but haunted Kobe for years
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- Kobe Bryant and Ray Allen briefly clashed in 2004, but the real story wasn't their rivalry. It was Allen's surprisingly accurate prediction for how the early years of the Kobe Lakers would play out.
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I think history has proven everyone needs atleast 2.5 players to win a championship
That made me kawhi laugh
Anita Bocala those are outliers not the exception
Hakeem.
Thank you
@@psmsanitabocalabocala4090 Jason Kidd (HOF)
Jason Terry (former 6th man finalist)
Vince Carter ( future HOF)
Shawn Marion (Defensive specialist)
I met ray allen when I used to work in a hotel. Super friendly and willing to just talk and chill. Loves talking basketball. Really left a great impression on me. Nothing but respect for him and Kobe
Yeah I remember you
Fake.
He is very classy. We went to high school and graduated together. He was ahead of his times then.
@@okkovaara good observation smartass
cap
R.I.P. Kobe. It’s still hard to believe he’s gone.
Alex Wyss it’s so sad
IKR I just can’t believe it.
Alex Wyss Alex wuss you’re so right
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"In Loving Memory Of"(Farewell Kobe Song) written by 20Gs and produced by Down To Earth Productions. 🐍🐍🐍💪💪💪🙏🙏🙏
In the end, Ray Allen won the beef.
The scary thing is, Ray's prophecy was damn on point. Goddamn
tf
@@linkinlinkinlinkin654 it was actually, people forget the Lakers had serious struggles and Kobe was one of those guys with good stats and play style but wasn’t gaining anything with it
@Curly Que yh but he never even tried to have faith in them but he still won two more so all is fair I guess
Every player needs someone to win MJ, Kobe, Bron, and Ray Allen
Huh, it's almost like that was the main point of the video.
Ray Allen is one of the underrated SG’s of all time
Kobe’s still better
Jesus Shuttleworth will never be underrated
He had a better shot than KB that's for sure
@@bab4380 I honestly feel like people forget how great he was because now we are spoiled by Klay Thompson and Curry, thats just how it is; to think those two are probably gonna surpass his made 3s and at a significantly higher % is absolutely mindblowing...
And he did it with such grace - the polar opposite of Gary Payton, whom Ray replaced
This is so BEAUTIFULLY put together... Makes you realize the mutual respect u have for anyone you've played with and or against...Love both guys
Truth B. Told Word!
#Fact
Great rivalries makes great theater
@@anthonyali7309 True b !!!
@@rjmw Stfu
@@unxpctd79molowe23 👍🏾
"I had the brews she had the chronic, the Lakers beat the Supersonics"
I'm a little retarded haha from Seattle
Checking to see if Bobby's rap music is safe?
Ice Cube
It was a good day
Love that song. So deep so deep put her ass to sleep. Woke her up around one
she didn't hesitate, to call Ice Cube the top gun.
RIP to the great Kobe Bean Bryant. Mamba forever.
Even though he wouldn’t want us to but him dying brought me to my knees
@Kye Block STFU😠 NO HE DIDN'T
Kye Block And you are a broken condom.
None of us know if he really rapped her or not . I do recall the new saying she had three other men seamen in her besides Kobe. Ppl always trying to judge other wat about wat in ur closet
@Jim Beam yo look at this CLOWN. He didn't just so you know
Ray Allen has the smoothest jump shot in nba history
Va Ho steph and klay?
not true.
nah klay do
Va Ho CHECK PUT MY CHANNEL FOR THE BEST REACTIONS ON TH-cam!!! JOIN MY WORLD 🌎🛸
Form yes but smoothness goes to VC...dude pulls up from half court like its a free throw
Nobody’s ever won anything significant without other good players lol
MrMW2nd pistons 2004?
Marc NY they were all good lol
2011 mavs ?
xIamFinal they were good as a unit but none of them were superstars... you prolly don't even think of any of them instantly when you think of the hall of fame
Marc NY. They had two prime future HOFers and a ton of talent
"And Kobe hits a game winner on Allen."
The first of many.
alekesam buzzer beater* not trying to be disrespectful though
pretty sure it wasnt a game winner
I'm from Seattle. People will never know how much we still miss our Sonics... RIP Kobe. We'll always miss you.
As a Lakers fan LA will happily give you the Clippers do what you with them
@@siege824s8 I like that move
Seattle is trash. Stick to making terrible communes like CHAZ and being triggered by orange man bad
I haven't been able to follow a NBA season since they left.
I feel you man. At least the Mariners are doing well this year……💀
Ray Allen's never had Kobe beef.
I'm sure he has. Just not in a while since he only eats veggies and fish.
LMAO
Forreal. SB reachin lmao
Some people here didn’t understand the pun 😂
Trey Buckets Kobe is a Japanese beef
It's all about the 96 Draft.... One of the BEST ever 💀💀💀
The best draft ever period. What other draft was better?
@@RenaldyCalixte 2003
1983
@@MrJlaklak 1984
best ever.-
It amazes me that Ray Allen is featured in two separate beef history episodes. He seems so laid back.
He is. And that's a reason.
@@gregorylagrange army brat,structured and knows who he is. People are threatened by that.
Ray Allen's a straight shooter. He tells it like it is. When we lost our team I remember Ray shrugging about it to the media, and saying that he told us this would happen if we didn't build them an arena in 05. It was true, but it was like, c'mon Ray we just lost our friggin team
The reason why it was so accurate is because of Michael Jordan. Jordan went through much of the same thing. He didn't trust his teammates, he thought he had to do everything and the coaching reinforced those notions. It was only after Phil Jackson came in and made Jordan aware that he had a team and he wasn't going to win without them, that he won and kept winning.
The more you forget history the more it repeats itself.
You’ve the Jew in the barbershop from coming to America. Replace rocky marciano with Jordan and that’s you
A few differences though. Jordan didn't ask for a trade. Jordan was self aware enough that he didn't shoot his teams out of games. Jordan was on a much worse organization. Jordan would initially resist, but would also give things a chance to work. And would admit when he was wrong.
The reason MJ didn't "trust" his teammates early on though was because most of the Bulls roster during his early years was addicted to cocaine and he wasn't gonna blend with that crowd
A more accurate statement would be that MJ hadn't developed or matured into a winner yet. That whole "selfish player" narrative is way overblown when you consider the state of those Bulls rosters in the 80s
@gregorylagrange kobes team post shaq were way worse and he was in a way tougher conference and era than jordan
Man, if only the Timberwolves held on to Ray Allen instead of trading him for Stephon Marbury in 1996. KG and Allen wouldn't have had to wait 12 years to win an NBA Championship together.
Rudie Obias still wouldn’t of won with no pierce dummy
They very well could have won a championship in Minnesota. There is no way to tell what roster moves they would have made around those guys because we will never know.
Kareme rush killed the wolves chance to win a ring think about that lol
F33TUS no, the Spurs, the lakers, and even the Mavs was way better, even if they didn't trade Allen on draft day
Like I said we will never know the roster moves they would make around those guys. You can't just assume that they would do everything the same except replacing Marbury with Allen. Their draft position changes because they would be a better team, they never trade Marbury for the players they got in return and they don't pick up Latrell Sprewell because they already have a shooting guard in the 03-04 season. There are numerous other things that you also have to consider that wouldn't play out exactly the same.
My brand new favorite series!!!!!!!!
TheFlightMike aye what’s is up Mike
TheFlightMike my's to.
What kind of videos does this Mike have? If y’all tell me about them and it sounds interesting I’d give it a try :)
🗣 BEEF
rip kobe
Maybe Kobe didn’t guard ray that time cause he didn’t want to be known as the guy who was guarding Allen when he broke the 3 point record
if there was one thing kobe never did, it was back down from a challenge
Kobe Bryant, Rest in Peace
Looking for likes
Stop being whack both of you
STFU
He's dead get over it
How bout you shut up and mind yo business sir
Don't have to.... Go cry about it. Thoughts and prayers 🙏
Remember, Kobe never forgets.
ljcool17 what is he an elephant?
He forgets to pass
harp Harp all time assist leader for lakers
TheSwagIsBack Magic Johnson=10,141
Kobe=6,306
CPGoat #3
I see what you did there
#Maury
Prophesy fulfilled.
TOMS WILL The *prophecy* was also fulfilled.
"prophesy" lmao
Lol, wtf?!?! It was Ray Allen who needed the 3 All-Stars
so maybe he is jesus
Truth
Kobe Bryant and Ray Allen both came into the league in the same year 1996. By the end of their careers, they were ranked in the top 10 all-time among shooting guards with the former being the 2nd while the latter is somewhere around 6 to 10.
I'm still having a tough time knowing that Kobe is no longer with us anymore. RIP Kobe.
1996 was a good year for SGs, with Kobe, Ray and AI all being drafted
Ray Allen is very intelligent and analytical. One of the most underrated nba players ever.
Jesus Shuttlesworth!!!!!!! Vs the Black Mamba!!!!!!!
Ray always won
Kobe Bryant is Original Shuttlesworth
Victor von Doom71 ND the mamba WON
Kyle Bryan Tobias W
Kobe would've made a better Jesus Shuttlesworth. He had the fro and looked more like Denzel. And he had just graduated high school and the movie is about a high school basketball player.
let's do beef history with Kobe and Shaq IDFK it's an 1-2 hours long
Derick Faustino you missed the "players only shaq and kobe" yesrerday on tnt during all star weekend
chillywilly thanks for letting me know
Yup its only about 45 min tho
2:11 "This Beef History would be a whole movie"
Wouldn't you know it, it is now.
0:57 Dikembe's face 🤣🤣🤣😂😂
Anderson Mccn'importe quoi face sour as hell 😂😂😂🌚
This was awesome! Great editing and narrating. Kobe is my favorite basketball player ever.
Erock Stoenescu I'm sorry Kobe is your all time favorite
sergestrada2 - sorry for what? He’s one of the GOATs and taught me so much about life and basketball. Plus he’s provided me with countless memories and good times.
I’m sorry he’s not yours!
Erock Stoenescu again I'm sorry dude. You must be from LA or live there cause that's the only way I can see you admire him
Same and I'm not even from L.A Kobe left it all on the court blood & sweat, nvr took a night off unless he was forced to, he relished in competition invited it nvr ran from it, he is a alpha on the court and outta every single great basketball player tht played for the Lakers them players say he's the best Laker ...#Greatness
“To be the best you challenge the best, then the blessings are spiritual “- Nas
My favorite rapper
He’s gone. I can’t believe it 😭😭😭
R.I.P. Kobe❤️
David Kolb nice clout chase
@@vincentedwards1099 Buddy, I posted this 6 months ago right at the time when he died. Also millions of people have posted comments paying their respects to a fallen hero. So stop labeling everyone as a “clout chaser” when really most of us were just remembering the legacy of one of the greatest basketball players ever. You want to point out the real clout chasers on the internet? How about the people who beg for likes or the people who post comments that contradict popular opinion specifically for the purpose of pissing people off...
RIP Kobe and Gianna. That voicemail he left Ray Allen is legendary and his hunger for victory is even more so. We miss you, and we thank you.
Ray Allen had such a smooth, all-around and well put together game. Really a text book player for kids who play on the wing to watch.
"Kobe needs 2.5 good players to contend."
*Joins Boston Celtics with prime KG, Paul Pierce, and Rondo*
*Joins Miami Heat with prime Lebron James, Dwyane Wade, and Chris Bosh*
Lol Ikr
Ray never said that he didn’t though, he was talking about Kobe not himself, or he would have also been selfish and demanded a trade
I don't think this was ever about who was better. I think Allen might have been sore about the way Kobe showed him up in a preseason game, and let everyone know that Kobe just felt that he had to prove a point that he didn't need Shaq or anyone else.
Later in the season Allen even entertained the idea of going to the Lakers. Why wouldn't you? They had Kobe... and I'm sure Allen felt that he had Kobe figured out well-enough that they could have been a good team.
Lol yea and it's also like who else DOESN'T need 2 other good players to win? Thanks captain obvious!
That doest change the fact that ray was right
LOVE the videos SB nation...keep it up..always learn something I didn't know
I miss watching both of these guys, they were mentally tough and always gave it everything they had. Players now don't compete like they did. Rays defense on Kobe in the 08 finals is overlooked
This is cap. How do players not compete like they did? Chill with the nostalgia crap
James catches, puts up a three...(ball bounces off the back of the rim) won't go! Rebound Bosh, back out to Allen! His three-pointer...(ball swishes through the net) BANG! TIE GAME WITH 5 SECONDS REMAINING! 👀👀👀
Kevin M oh man tell me why I read it in the way the announcer did lol
gave me chills haha what a game
The spurs do not have a timeout
This was probably the best moment of nba I’ve witnessed growing up
Saved that man's legacy!
Allen was a bad boy he was just on some bad teams early in his career
Freeze Biggs That Bucks team did get robbed to send that weak sixer team to the final
JERU They still woulda got smacked
The bucks was a great team at that time but like he said even if they made it to the finals they still wouldve got smacked
Imagine if him & Kobe teamed when shaq left..
Rip Kobe one of the most inspirational passionate players to play the game had to watch this gem again in his honor#24
I normally don't get on the comment section and gush about how awesome the production value of a video is but OH MAN game recognize game. I am stunned at the level of detail put into every frame of this video, perfect editing, and great scriptwriting. I subbed so quick after the video because I want to see more like this.
I had no idea it was George Karl who drove both Glenn Robinson and Ray Allen out of Milwaukee.
Matt Scott “George Karl vs. Every one” would be a great Beef History
Which other players has Karl pissed off?
Matt Scott he also wrote a book about how Melo was very uncoachable
here’s a brief history of george karl beef
www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/nba/2015/6/23/8830539/george-karl-snake-demarcus-cousins-history
George Karl was an under the radar racist for a while. Only the players knew. Nobody else did.
And that’s why Ray Allen was called “Jesus Shuttleworth”
I don't even follow basketball anymore, but am having a lot of fun watching your channel.
My two favorite players. Thank you for this
Still haven’t gotten Ray Allen vs the Celtics beef😕
It's not a beef if Ray doesn't care
Rest in Peace to Kobe and his daughter and the passengers and the pilot and those who died.
I love how in depth all your videos get
Great production on this video.
The content is so well presented and compelling, you totally miss the excellent production value: video, voice-over and dramatic music (all seamlessly in balance without overshadowing each other).
Ray should work as a GM!
Hell yes.
I am VERY surprised that you didn't do a Beef History of Kobe and Shaq. It's like the most popular NBA beef.
I think there is no need of a video for that. That feud is very publicized, anybody could just simply write a summary out of it.
I recommend mike korzembas vid on that one. It’s really good
Loved this video! Well done! I hope Kobe and Ray see it. I would love to see their reactions and opinions on it.
Good video like the editing the timing it was not annoying. Liked the video. Good work
There are two what if's with Ray Allen that I've always wondered about. The first is what would have happened had the Timberwolves (who drafted Ray) not traded him for Marbury and he had teamed up with KG in Minnesota? What kind of tandem would Ray ray and the Big Ticket have formed? The second is this, the Bucks acquire Ray, but in 1998 they don't trade Dirk for Traylor and instead hang on to the young German phenom. What would that have been like? Would we have seen the Bucks turn into a perrenial contender with Robinson, Cassel, Ray and Dirk?
yeah man could you imagine a team with ray allen and kevin garnett on it. that would be truly something. get an elite wing around those two and you'd probably win like 66 games and the championship
@@GuntherBovine I figure the Wolves still draft Wally and acquire Chauncey Billups and that's the core for them for the better part of a decade.
Great job Seth, this was a cool video
I'm sure they were better friends than any of us fans will ever know! RIP Kobe!
Really well put together
Kobe is my favorite player🙆
need retro ones like magic vs isaiah
Love these videos ! 🔥
This just popped up on my feed but great video!
Brilliant video
I miss ray ray. I miss having a team here in Seattle
Scooba I'm rooting for you guys to get it back. It's the most obvious move ever. Get rid of one the California teams I don't think anyone one notice
Jay Roy I’m only 14 but I miss having an nba team in Baltimore even though I’m living in VA, but I used to live in Maryland
dude I really like your vids, glad I stumbled upon it. hooked now. Blessings!
I Remember watching the playoffs live in 07 or 08 actually im pretty sure when ray hit 8 consecutive threes with Kobe guarding him for a majority if not all the shots
Fisher was guarding him. Kobe was on Rondo. You're either senile or "wish remembering."
@@HvV_FilmRoom someone's a Kobe head 🤡 dude is maybe #9 all time calm down
@@owenbelci2644 Lol stop acting like a child. What I stated was factual. Unless you're able to refute it, move along.
@@owenbelci2644 he was being guarded by Fisher majority of the time so Kobe wouldn't have to play defense and could just sag off on Rondo, but Kobe was on Ray for a few of them. I remember that one where Ray opened his wide open and calling for the ball then just dropped one on Kobe
@@HvV_FilmRoom or maybe he just... remembered incorrectly? It was a decade and a half ago lol
Seth, really enjoy your 'Beef History' episodes. Thank you.
Wat a video!! Loved it
Cool vid.had me glued
Great video!
A game with Ray Allen scoring 7 3-pointers in that era is really great. A player like Ray averaged 4 attempted 3's per game. In the nba today they shoot like 19 to get those 7.
Watching this after Kobe's unfortunate passing
Mad respect for both players nice vid btw
Very well versed videos.. thank you for the entertainment and informative videos.. you should get paid
Such a good video. Always loved Ray Allen's game, but never had a great deal of interest in Kobe's... but to see this play out so succinctly in this video was fantastic, and I think I admire both players equally now. They had amazing careers and made NBA more memorable then than it is now.
Who does not need that 2.5 good players? C mon now..
OG Kırkiki dirk
OG Kırkiki you must of started watching basketball recently. Dirk did it last
SinaSoh that's what I'm saying! But it must be a new generation of basketball fans .. How can anyone forget Dirk
Jason Kidd, Shawn Marion, Tyson Chandler= 2.0, with Jason terry it can be 2.5
sorry that mavs deep was deep and played great defence, everyone needs good players period
As a life long Sonics fan and Kobe fan I love watching videos like this
These videos are beautifully made
Ray Allen probably has absolutely nothing against him now
King Weeb Why would he?
@@williammitchell5066 that's my point he'd be one messed up dude if he did
Actually ray is alive
Adam Anderson SAVAGE!!!
In the future, there's going to have to be a video about Westbrook's beef with Joel Embiid
Amazing video
I loved this TH-cam channel
That missed preseason game is a tragedy
Yeah...his teammates were awesome 06-07.
He should've passed to them more often and been best friends with smush parker who had a great career after...
He was boys with Lamar and butler. Smush Parker is just salty kobe didn't like him
Super surprised you haven’t done Shaq vs Kobe. I would LOVE to see it
Great video.
Nice vid, new sub 👌
This is actually a real good series you got going on. Although it's not....... Pretty Good
I'm sorry, I just couldn't help it
Mr. DJAS i
I don’t get it
Dasheem Worlwy - wtf?
Mr. DJAS I guess I’m dumb I don’t get it
MR. DJAS
Did the Greek Freak tell you that one?
Idk if you guys still read comments like these on old videos, but you struck gold with the idea for Shaq Kobe beef history- I’d love to see it
Great series, great narrator.
that Dikembe Mutombo expression at 0:56 killed me
My favorite player from my favorite college Ray Allen
Still watching 💪💪💪 March 3, 2022
This video is amazing
"Next you will say 'I was only pretending to want to be traded'!"
Kobe bryant is an absolute legend and his competitiveness was savage. I have so much love for that man.
So much love for a rapist? Weird.
Dude your expressions during the beef exposé are hysterical. Make me wish for more baller battle for you to document.
RIP KB
It’s unsettling how clearly Allen saw the future of another human beings career.
Kobe was truly a legend and lived an amazing life. I still can’t believe we lost him with his precious daughter Gigi. Rest easy🙏🏽.
I've watch this again after the devastating news about Kobe Bryant 😭
Rest In Peace Mamba
Ray Allen did his pay tribute Kobe 😭😭😭
Just sound this series and what a great idea. Ine for the stories but also the time in which it happened . Makes you think of what were you doing during the year of each beef. Pretty cool
This hits different now RIP Legend