Oh dear. I’ve passed on my terrible crack Range Rover addiction on to you and countless others. I don’t know whether to feel proud or incredibly guilty. You’ve got it bad, Joel. That said, I love Giverny Green - really suits it. As I was watching, I was thinking to myself “I ought to buy an L322”. Strange thing, addiction, isn’t it?
Bought a 2012 L322 Autobiography recently. Bloody love it. Spent £1.9k on it in 2 months (tyres, disc brakes, gearbox flush ect) but there’s no way it’s going anywhere. I can’t put my finger on it. Just buy an L322 guys. You’ll regret it, but you won’t have any regrets regretting it.
Needed to hear this mate. 6 months into having my 2009 I've just been told the rear diff could need a rebuild, great news to ponder over the Xmas holidays and I'm stuck in a van doing the family visits all week, gutted. Still wouldn't give it up for the world, love the thing
For the past 35 years I've worked as a Doorman in some of London's best 5 star hotels. I've valet parked literally thousands of different luxury cars and they are all spectacular in their own way. My hands down favourite though is the Range Rover. It drives beautifully and is easier to park than a car half its size. Yeah, they are expensive to maintain but as soon as I retire I'll move to the countryside and the first thing I buy will be a Range and then a dog to put in it 😊🐶
When my 1986 Volvo 240 finally got short of spares I bought a 2004 Transit van. Super comfy, ideal for moving my push bikes around, makes an ideal camper in the summer, and apart from petrol I've spent just under £100 on it in two years - the cost of an MOT each year. 300,000 on the clock, and the damn thing keeps on going, with nary a problem. Ego-less, I don't care what I drive s long as it keeps on running!
These people are completely dilluded.. Pay 2 grand for it, spend 10 grand on it in 6 months and it's still only worth 2 grand. Stick with your Hi Lux mate and I'll stick with my £800 Frontera
@@neilwalsh4058 nothing to do with how hard you work, just depends on how much you enjoy driving - or not . Most people want a Range Rover after driving one .
@@brianredmond4919 most people want a Range Rover for the image it portrays and for keeping up with the Jones. Big markets are in UK and USA, where one upmanship is top of the shopping list. Australians won't touch them with a barge pole, prefer the Japanese stuff. Might not have the image but won't leave them stranded in the outback.
I owned one of these (same year, same colour!) for a number of years, 4.4 V8 with LPG. I loved it, simply loved it. Everywhere I drove it was a pleasure. It was the best towing vehicle I have ever had, making light of the 3.5 tons of trailer that it took on the road and 5 tons that it pulled on the farm. But my God, the cost of running, the repairs and (finally) the electrical gremlins and failing gearbox that made me sell it. I now have a Grand Cherokee 3.0 Diesel. Sure, it's less of a car, but only 2 things have gone wrong in 4 years: (1) turbo actuator. £40 from a scrap yard (2) EGR valve. £100 from a scrap yard though a stupid PITA to fit. The Quadra Drive 4x4 is unbeatable and 8 year old Jeeps are cheap as chips I'll keep my Jeep .... but I will always keep my old 1970 Range Rover with the small block Chevy in it. That one's a keeper.
Between you, Matt @High Peak Autos & Harry Metcalfe @Harrys Garage, you have convinced me to "scratch the itch", take the plunge and buy a low mileage 2012 L322 4.4 TDV8 Autobiography, at the most expensive time in 2nd hand car purchasing history! Despite its proven genuine 50,000 miles, it is already on its 3rd set of EGR valves and 2nd set of turbos! Collecting it this Sunday. My own addiction and stupidity has no bounds it seams... Really enjoying your videos Joel, keep em coming!
Great to see the Rangie - glad it has love from the supervisor (Katie). They're excellent beasts - I have a 4.4 TDV8 which is less ruinous at the fuel pump but still great fun and just as luxurious. You said at the beginning you weren't always in £100,000 cars; except that with a Range Rover's original list price, you very nearly are.
I recently got rid of my A7, I'm waiting for early next year for an F Type. But in the meantime thought I always loved this gen land rover. I know of the issues and regardless of a prefect model or bad model, they're all prone to issues... So decided to buy a cheap one. Paid 2k for a discovery 3. In 4 weeks I've fixed the epb, suspension, upgraded rear lights, cloth seats now to heated leather... I love it! Had bad snow up here at the weekend I spent it pulling people out of ditches in the North Yorkshire Dales... I don't think I'll get rid when I buy the F type
My 90k mile 4.4 V8 gen1 L322 is a weekend car but completely understand everything you’ve mentioned. Love it each and every time I hop into it. Tremendous trucks 👌🏻👊🏻
I had the 4.4 V8 Diesel 2012 model. It was a fantastic car. Contrary to what many people think of the Range Rover, I found mine to be very reliable. Unfortunately, loss of job through the lockdown meant loss of car. I live in hope of being able to afford another one some day. :)
Sorry about your job! I have heard good stories about the 4.4 V8 Diesel. I hope to own or at least drive one someday. And sure, keep your spirit up and you'll get back what slipped from you
Hey Joel. I bought a 2019 Evoque in December and honestly that car has my heart lol! Your right, it is like a comfy armchair and several times a day I find myself looking out the window at it to admire. Never has any car had this grip on me. Any excuse to drive it and I’m out. I had a vogue 10 years ago but I really like the Evoque and how stylish it is. I got the Santorini black and it has grey trims. Enjoy your RR too!
Great review. I feel the same and understand where you come from when I have repairs on my Citroen C6 come around. Love the car despite the costs involved. And like yourself I had brought the car on the cheap.
I bought a 1995 County LWB about 12 years ago. It now shows 258,000 miles, but only about 60,000 on the rebuilt engine I had put in. I love it and so do a lot of people: at least once a month, someone leaves a note on the windshield asking if I want to sell it. If you get one, maintaining it ain't cheap.
Having had many RRs in my life I'd say try out a 3.6TDV8 from 2008 onwards. That engine is superb and if you have it remapped too (sensibly) it pulls like a train and will return 26mpg all day long, maybe more on a long run.
Far better on a long run if you stay under 100kph. The 3.6 are bullit proof as is the Zf transmission if serviced. On a recent Interstate 4100k trip in Australia towing a small trailer unloaded one way 200 kilos added on way home with air conditioning on lots of the trip and higher speeds than I'd have liked to do to get decent milage I returned a genuine 9.1 liters per 100k,s (26mpg). Car alone with my tools which are always on board weighs exactly 3 ton.... So thank you land rover for providing such incredible machines that companies like Toyota could only dream of
The term 'A second hand car is worth what someone has paid for it' is especially true when it comes to the FFRR. Unfortunately, the majority earlier version L322's are 5 plus owners down the line and are being sold with a whole host of issues which simply aren't addressed and passed on to the next buyer, who 'fancies' getting themselves into a RR for peanuts. Is what it is. This fantastic car will make you open your wallet and take what's there..and then it'll come back and ask for more. Owned my 05' plate 'autobiography' for 18 years. It's a second car, so covers a max 6k miles a year. Still wafts down to the Alps every year and has even crossed from Spain into Morocco and safaried though the Atlas Mountains.. and never missed a beat. It put's a smile on my face every time I drive it. It's immaculate and original spec..no added face lift parts and everything works BUT during my tenure ship of this vehicle, I have encountered and remedied just about every common fault there is. Wait until the heater blower packs up..that's a horrific fix for something so spurious. There is no such thing as a cheap RR. If you are prepared for that, hands down it will be the best all round motor you will ever own. Phenomenally capable beasts and I love them.
I think you encapsulated ownership of a Range Rover of a certain age very well; it’s all about the mindset. I have a 2002 L322 3.0 TD6 which I bought around 10 years ago with 145k on the clock. I paid £10k for the car and since then have spent around £12k on non-routine maintenance including replacement gearbox (with recon unit,) new turbocharger, new front air suspension (struts & airbags,) new brake discs & callipers all round, new handbrake assembly, new wiper motor, new front seat valance, new brake pipe and various minor items (hoses etc) plus some cosmetic work (re spray of scratched panels, new light lens covers etc.) I’ve also had the car professionally rust proofed which is retreated at recommended intervals. More recently the ABS Modulator/Pump packed up but I bought a replacement from EBay for £130 (saving at least £2000) and will have it fitted shortly. It sounds a lot but bear in mind most of the work was done by Land Rover so I was paying top whack and if you put it in perspective I’ve spent £22000 to drive what I consider a superb vehicle for 10 years. Also because it now does low mileage (6000 a year) none of those fixed issues are likely to recur in the foreseeable future, and I now have thorough knowledge of the mechanical condition of my vehicle. I get immense pleasure and satisfaction from driving this car and can totally relate to your sentiments. I haven’t taken it off road but I do take it to the Austrian Alps each winter where it lives for 3 months during the ski season; I change to proper winter tyres (Continental TS850 Winter Contact) and it is an absolute beast, unstoppable in the snow and ice even on steep gradients; I still carry snow chains but from what I’ve experienced since using these tyres I doubt if I’ll ever need them again. It’s quite something when you can safely tackle winter conditions where even the well prepared locals would hesitate!
(When I said “unstoppable” in snow & ice, I was obviously referring to UPHILL gradients; going DOWNHILL in snow & ice, it is remarkably stoppable, with these winter tyres on.) The Hill Descent Control is a wonderful piece of kit on slippery descents too, one you pluck up the courage to take your foot off the brake and let the car figure everything out by itself.
I was told to keep £2k back for repairs. I bought a 2011 tdv8. I’ve had an oil cooler, coolant pipe, lower arm, drop link , upper brake light and tailgate strap since March 2021. I’ve used a heritage centre for labour so it shows as being looked after (they make the bamford one so I trust them implicitly). I’m in for about £2.5k picking up stuff the last owner couldn’t be arsed with. 4 new tyres coming soon and brakes but I love it. Anyone who has never owned one will tell you’re they’re shit. I’ve off roaded it, daily’d it, chucked stuff in it etc. I’ll keep as long as I can afford to. 32mpg average too over 1200miles It will blitz off-road. I took mine among a load of defenders and they were surprised it didn’t get stuck in thick mud. It will climb most things but I’d suggest reading the owners manual to understand what to use when. Enjoy!
12 months into owning my 2011 TDV8, similar to you, have had an oil cooler done on warranty, just having 4 new tyres and some suspension work done this week - couple of electrical niggles, but I've fitted an aftermarket CarPlay mod to it and it's probably related. They're amazing on-road and I've done big weekend trips and UK to Spain and back in comfort. It's amazing off-road in the rural bit of Spain where I live, I'm seeing 35mpg easily on a long run and I've a feeling I'm going to be keeping this a lot longer than the "2 or so years" I'd originally intended :)
2 months in to my 2012 Autobiography. I’ve had the following done. 1. New discs and pads 2. 4 new Scorpion Zeros 3 diff oils replaced 4. Gearbox mega flush 5 steering alignment done 6. Stage 1 paint correction and 3 year ceramic 7. Deep interior clean 8. New battery 9. Ash tray replacement 10. Number plate light replacement 11. New Xenon bulbs 12. Need to order new chrome exhausts 13. Have a major service booked in 14. Fixed a Coolant issue Tbh, most of this is general maintenance. I’m happy to put the money in to it. It’s not a project or for resale. It’s a car I just want to looks after. She’s a babe too.
Joel please read this message; I work for a LR specialist in the south west and the one thing I recommend you to get done is an auto gearbox ‘megaflush’. Basically a gearbox oil change
I always wanted one, so scratched the itch. One owner low mileage, full history. I had it for a year. Cost was about £1000 a month to run. Fuel, insurance and constant break downs. I bought a cheaper old car as a spare for when it was waiting repairs. Eventually sold it and bought something reliable.
These are the comments I was waiting to read. Everyone chimes on about how great they are and how they had few issues and drove around Europe but that's just the lucky few I reckon! Cheers.
Good stuff man, just put $21k into my '12 Rover Sport Supercharged. "Buy the car you want, fix it when it breaks". Yep. It stings. Time to DIY for sure.
"Buy the car you want: fix it when it breaks" - like that. Another one I use is - "look at the car, close your eyes: if you still see the car, that's OK; if you see a pile of cash dribbling down the drain, get rid..."
Whoa the taxes and insurance is soooo super cheap! Here in The Netherlands it would be like €280,- PER MONTH for taxes... and another €150 per month for insurance probably wich is crazy compaired to the UK. Sheezz But as always, had much fun watching a new range rover video again from your channel :)
This is exactly how I felt about my 2010 Discovery 4, even though it cost a fortune with repairs and road tax. Having decided I would keep it until it went spectacularly wrong, about two months ago I broke my addiction and sold it. I was so sad to see it go and miss it, but the time was right. Good luck with your addiction!!
My brothers just snapped it’s crank 😬🤦🏼♂️….£10k for a replacement engine….you have to love it as to get your money back you’ll need to run them till the wheels fall off 😂 I don’t see it myself (love of flash Land Rover models)….costs just outweigh the benefits. Stick to defenders for 4x4’s, at least their basic nature means the only thing you really have to concern yourself with is rust
I bought a 10 year old range vogue a few years ago and it's been absolutely perfect. Couple of things have gone on it but nothing serious. Never had any major issues (yet). Had only done 70,000 when I got it. Biggest issue I find is how thirsty they are. As a daily driver you're looking at 100 quid a week on fuel at least. Still love it though! Great vid.
From one Joel to another, this is a really informative video. I've been thinking of changing my Volvo for a while and thought about a Range Rover! This is really tempting...thank you!
Had an 3ltr diesel L322 for 3 years and loved it. The attitude from other drivers was incredible, so courteous to the old girl. Took her to Ireland and Scotland and parked next to much newer RR's and Discos and she still looked the part despite being 16 years old. By far the comfiest car i've ever driven. 'Madge' made all her occupants feel rather special.....including my little dog. .....oh.....the only issue i had with this car was a dodgy fuel pump. On my short list of 'cars i must have in my life again' list. Only sold her to make way for a van to convert to a camper, which at the moment never happened. Passed everything on the roads after heavy snowfalls during the 'Beast from the East', Loved it.
Couldn't agree more. Range Rover's are fickle beasts, but also some of the best cars ever. Personally I prefer the previous gen P38 to L322, but can still admire them.
Got the same car but in Td6 trim, done 60,000 miles in four years bringing it to 170,000 miles and only minor wear and tear issues to speak of and 28mpg! In over 35 years of driving, this is my favourite car and I’ve had Q7’s, Cayennes and various BMW’s…..it’s the daddy!
Another positive Joel is you will actually learn a lot more about cars and their components and what to look for while owning this RR.which is no bad thing, most people couldn’t even change a wheel with a flat tyre, or know what to do with the spray sealant on a newer vehicle.
I bought a cheap 53 plate L322 in April, with 96k on the clock. So far its cost nothing other than fuel, tax and insurance and a service kit. I took it on a 1300 mile round trip to the NC500 in summer and it never missed a beat. Its comfy as hell and i love it. Just need to get the awfully pixilated bmw cd/radio changed for something a bit more modern.
I own 2008 range rover tdv8 twin turbo and it's a brilliant car reliability wise mechanical is brilliant. Just silly electronics that go wrong but comfort wise perfect and is my every day use people do underate them and there just lovely for my self and the family
I like your general review of this car and I can definitely relate... some tips from owning one for almost 2 years, I'd suggest you check the rear upper knucle bushings as well as your front prop shaft going to the front diff. There were two types where the first type is a spline type and after many models ended up shaving them of, land rover replaced the splines with another type which is bolted on with 6 screws. Mine is at the mechanic as we speak for that reason. Other than that its perfect.
I thought that I saw your Land Rover at Wendover Woods - I can see myself arrive in the red car at the end of your clip! Lovely little drive up to the car park, would be great to do a little hill climb up there!
Really love the 'Perfect Box' square shape of these older Range Rovers. I think they've ruined it's visual impact with the slopey-grilled new one. Looks like a robotic rhino now. So you've got the less expensive solution that actually looks like a smart SUV; a Win Win in all aspects really!
I have had a 2006 RR Sports HSE Diesal 3 year's now. Had the problem air suspension changed to coil and spring. Had the transmission rebuild and new torque converter etc. Had wishbones done. Had the door activators replaced. Had it wrapped in Matt Nardo Grey. Had two NEW battery's in 3 year's. Mmm still love but also bought a Mazda 3 as back up for when it's being repaired 😂👍
Lovely video. Always love this shape and yours with those wheels is exactly what I wanted as a young lad. Hope to have one, one day! And love that line buy the car you want and if it breaks, fix it!👌🏼
I have to agree that the L322 has a soft spot in my fleet for the reasons you list. I like the fact that there is no urgency when driving... a bit like my old Veedub camper, you just waft about, actually the Veedub was just very slooowwwww! I tend to drive slower in the RR to make the journey last longer! I do think you might have overpaid for a lemon and buying any old RR without some prior knowledge or an enthusiast on call was a risky thing which you are now paying for plus the "specialist" garage tag is a bit of a lucky dip, far better info and real World knowledge on the forums... Fullfat and Landyowner are brill! Your wobble at speed and knock sounds like a failing inner tie rod or steering box if everything else has been sorted? I personally find the L322 cheaper to run than my other cars, parts are cheap, easy to replace DIY and mine on lpg does equivalent of mid 30 mpg... got it on disability so tax and toll free. Only big costs are doubling up on fluid quantities for servicing and how fast it comes around every 6k miles... have had mine for about 3 years now, other than a £40 driver's door switch pack failing and a £20 gearbox solenoid to cure limp mode, it has served me well, although prices are rising for these old buses I won't be selling mine any time soon... what would I replace it with? Don't like the facelift cars as they are too fusy on the front and the L405 is a tarts handbag which slots in with the "full circle" Chelsea tractor image... Evoque, Velar and 'ickle SUVs with big boy badges on the front, as High Peak says.... buy a Ford Kuga! I have a P38 and tempted to get another Classic before the prices get stupid, they are different enough to justify owning three.
Those early L322's are just hard to find in well kept proper running condition, so any one you buy, will be a pocket killer. The Jag engine ones are the true sweet spot. The 5.0 ones from 2010-2012, those are also tons of give and take with engine and looks. I love mine. 2088 4.4 HSE.
I've owned a 2005 model for 6 years. It currently has 179,000 miles. Still love it many issues but nothing I haven't been able to fix. That pop when you turn I would be suspect of 1 of 2 things. Front sway bar gets oil on it and slips slightly when in corners and or my current situation the steering pinion. I purched mine at top dollor at the time very very well maintained. That said I've had to fix valve cover leaks. Very important replace timing chain and guides 100k to 120k. Rebuild my vanos. This motor is a little tricky to time back correctly. Currently I have an issue in the steering column I have a work around for now. New column cost what the vehicle is worth, so I'm reluctant. I still would have worries about taking it on long trips. I know her issues. She does leak oil now everywhere although slightly. Valve covers need to be redone again I had to open it back up to to get my timing not to throw a code. The cog wheel was set off physical timing on point. It for the first time in a long time throwing no codes, it still runs like a scalded dog. I will keep it simply because the how good it is and it's worth nothing. Awesome vehicles if you stay after their issues
I've long thought these would really benefit from a torquier engine. The M62 is fine in a 540i, but I'd have thought it would struggle in the 2.7 ton Rangie. A Ford 5.4/5.8 GT500 engine is only 8mm longer, but it's a bit taller and can be bored and stroked to 6.8 litres, and it's supercharged... the big 4.7 inch stroker crank would give it a LOT of torque.
The m62 was quite sufficient by 2002 standards. A key criteria for the engine that went into this vehicle would have been NVH characteristics and fuel economy which would have knocked out many american v8s
@@walternyakwaka5481 the Ford engine is a quad-cam like the M62. The L322 is vastly heavier than the P38A - the result is that this is slower than the 4.6 Rover V8 engined P38A it replaced and the engine has to be worked harder, to the detriment of fuel economy.
@@richardharrold9736 The Rover V8 makes less than 230hp routed through a 4 speed auto. Even with the added weight the L322 is still a second faster to 100km/h (9.2s) than the P38A.
@@walternyakwaka5481 the Rover 4.6 makes 300lbft which is the important bit, barely less than the M62, and the P38A is much lighter, giving it a better torque-to-weight ratio. In the real world, the L322 4.4 is slower. They should have used the 4941cc S62 short block as a minimum, if not the S62 heads. I have an M62TUB44 in a 540i Touring, and it's fine with a 1900-ish kilo car to haul around, but an additional 800kg would make it unacceptably slow and thirsty.
I bought an L322 2003 4.4 v8 Vogue 6 months ago...I do all the work on it myself. Currently welding up the rear jacking points for the MOT...I do blame yourself and Matt from High Peak entirely... 😉 it is a great car though... 😀
Last week i needed to pull a 12 ton truck out of a ditch in muddy terrain.... As it goes for most of my "offroad"- or "workhorse"-expierences, no cameraman around when needed (or just everyone too busy)... My two L322s (4.4V8, 3.6tdv8) are still tackling every damn task i'm throwing at them without complaining.... Just pure love!
I agree. That’s why I purchased the L322 brand new. The salesman took me on a highway and let 2 wheels go into the gravel on the side of the highway. He then slammed on the brakes and the car stayed straight. Most cars would spin out.
Holy crap 2k for a RR that explains a lot 😂😂😂. You’re being honest and that’s awesome. I’ve had my RRS for 4 months and it’s been smooth and I love the car.
Large cars depreciate for a reason and that is the cost of maintenance going forwards. A £2000 RR will still have the maintenance costs of a £60000 car. You swap purchasing costs for maintenance costs. Anyone who spends £2000 on an RR and doesn’t expect to spend £5000 a year on maintenance is deluding themselves. That’s why the car only costs £2000…
Thank you for another interesting upload. I understand your passion for the RR and it’s great to see your enjoyment. Off tropic what’s the watch your wearing ?
The rattle in the rear trunk is easy to fix. There are 2 screws right near the truck latch (right above the license plate) on the bottom truck hatch. They get loose and you just need to tighten them up.
Glad you’re enjoying yours. I had a 2003 from 2008 to 2012. I was so pleased to sell it. The car was great when it worked but otherwise was a total and utter disgrace. It was totally unreliable, constantly breaking down, having things stop working, bits flaking off the door handles, the steering column failing, etc, etc - it cost a fortune. We got it when I went to buy a car for my wife, with me wanting to get a 100 series Land Cruiser. The RR caught our eye instead. I was so proud to have the chance to own a RR, something I’d never have been able to afford in the UK (I live in Dubai). I guarantee that if we’d bought an LC we’d still have it and it’d be running perfectly! It was also rubbish in the desert - tyres too low profile, too much plastic to get ripped off. Truly awful experience.
Wow! I know yours was an old model but still what a mess... I'm looking at the 2022 SV top dog model but still somewhat afraid via yours and all the other horror stories I've heard about how unreliable it is and costly to repair. I'd like to think that the newer model would be different but still. My wife drives two Jags with zero issues even though Jags and Ranges are made by the same company...
Nice chat, Joel, or perhaps I should say a 'lovely' chat when transpiring inside a Rover. I'm a longtime MBZ owner in Dallas TX who recently bought a super clean Supercharged 2012 Range Rover HSE Lux with over 100k miles. All black with new Brembo brake pads and tires and a clean independent inspection. It honestly felt brand new when I test drove it, and has behaved perfectly since. (I'm believing it's a unicorn.) These vehicles feel like 'thrones on wheels' or like a Rolls-Royce SUV if they ever made one. Almost 3 tons heavy but it can hit 60mph in 5.5 seconds! I wish it had a little more exhaust growl, but now I'm just fussing. Just like you said, I find myself looking at this rig over my shoulder...and sometimes just sitting in the garage. Always thought we'd see my wife in a white Rover but she chose a smaller Audi instead, so my longtime admiration of L322's led me to flip my MBZ E-350 and take the plunge. Amazing vehicles. Thanks for sharing and blessings to all my fellow Rover enthusiasts.
I had an epiphany whilst watching this, I really enjoy these real world chats about what it’s really like to own a car you’re actually passionate about and adore even with all its faults. Is this something you could do with guests with interesting dailies? Doesn’t need to be anything crazy modified with a million horsepower, just interesting, has some quirks and maybe some features but also what real world reliability has been like🤷🏼♂️
Hi again Joel, interesting vid, the fuel costs are horrific but, I know where you are coming from, the joy of owning it outways that. Best wishes mate 👍
My wife is addicted to Range Rovers, she's on her third. You can wave goodbye to all of your spare cash if you have one, also make sure that you have a spare car to use as it will spend alot of time in the garage. Her last one cost £15k to buy, £18k in bills though! Current one is a 60 plate, cost £18k, costs about £3k per year to keep it half going. I'm a Jaaaag man, for the past 30 years, never had a bad one!
Have a Freelander 2, got most of the mechanical issues sorted but it's the little things that piss you off...sensors, electrical faults, windows sticking etc.
As a mechanic I can say most Range Rover problems are completely unacceptable considering it's status and price tag, even cheap car brands don't just fail brakes unless grossly neglected, I honestly find it difficult to connect its reliability with it's status.
Amazingly accurate and truthful analysis. A brilliant video!!👍 Sorry for the thread creep but I am on the verge of getting a Freelander, last of the range, diesel. SD4.🙄 You'd 'sooner go bust than give up the car...............'? That's dedication!! 18 MPG - ? It's a very tough life. I couldn't handle that in a world of 70 MPG with Diesel at £1.58/litre if you're lucky. Sorry, I loved your video but 18mpg has just now knocked me out if the ball park. By the way, for a Rangey, that's very good MPG! "Today, there was a sudden sharp unseasonal increase in Approved Used Range Rovers Sales figures!" (I want to marry a girl whose dad owns a fuel refinery.)
"Lots of work done", reminds me of an Ex girl friend, she used to slap on make up like she was painting the forth road bridge, I moved on, let someone else have that pain. But i still kept my LR, thirsty yes, very thirsty, but very enjoyable, the LR death wobble, scary when it hits, steering stabiliser or a worn bush is the culprit.
I've joined the Crack club too. I managed to buy a 56 plate vogue SE from a very dear friend who sold it to me for a give away price of £1,500 the rear wheel arches need replacing and a few little job's but I enjoy every minute of driving it Brilliant video and another subscriber to your channel. Kind regards Mel Jarvis
The old lights were great - real glass and wipers make all the difference in muddy Moscow winters. Still miss my '05 driving the '12 supercharged these days) Purchased a fresh new body RRS last year but brought it back to the dealer - way inferior to L322 in all aspects but fuel efficiency. However if I kept it, I could make 15k USD easily today due to swollen prices)
Some nice mud flaps to finish it off, especially to stop stone chipping the sills ! 👍 I have a face lift 2010 sport l320, and love every mile i drive !
Hi Joel, just 2 let you know, because of your Range Rover review, I have fallen in love🥰 with one myself. BUT! The cheapest one I can find in Denmark is GBP 10,000 ! (2005 Land Rover Range Rover Sport SE, 4.2) AND, wait for it; the annual road tax for it in Denmark is GBP 1,500!!! 😤😥😒 Prices for fuel are slightly higher here than in the UK. There went that dream! 😥😩 Luv your channel!! Best regards, John, Denmark
Hi. Your issue with wheel wobble could be wheel balancing or a out of shape tyre (also out of shape tyre can cause wheel bearing type of noise). Had my L322 for 3yrs now (89000 on clock when bought now 117000) lovely car and as you say its a joy to drive.
a friend posted this video on his facebook page and while watching it you mentioned high peak autos which i also watch small world it is! now i have two channels to watch :D
A relative of mine decided to buy a nice, shiny looking black 08 reg Range Rover a while ago. At the time I did hint at it not being the best idea he'd ever had, but he bought it anyway. After a few months, I heard the Range Rover was "being sorted" at a mate's garage. I never saw him driving it again....
Are you taking the RR to the Land Rover Experience at Eastnor Castle? If so, and if you do break down, your local indie LR specialist is Grey Hill 4x4 in Tirley, Glos GL19 4HA. During my eight years of Disco3 ownership, they were the best indie I found. Yes, every visit is a four figure bill; this is Land Rover after all. But these guys really will fix the issue, and won't bullshit. They were the ones who finally fixed the turbo cross pipes on my Disco after two failures due to pipes cracking after improper fitting. Everything Matt at High Peak says about the uselessness of the dealer network is true in my experience. And yes, I agree, it is an addiction, and I'm 5 years sober now!
Perfectly put, once you drive a range rover nothing else compares in the same price point. The air suspension is just to die for, especially in the L405 at 100+ on the motorway, I can't describe how relaxing and disconnected from bumps and the outside world you are in it. The funny thing is i have a L322 and she is mechanical sound, it just has some strange range rover faults now and again ie the fan that never turns off because of the faulty heat cluster 😅. Also you explained my upgrade path too. Later supercharged model, then a L405 hopefully in the next couple of years so it's funny to hear we all think a like 🤣. P.S the mrs hates how big and expensive it is which makes ownership even funnier 🤣
I owned one and man, of all the cars I’ve owned? This one broke everything electrical. I spent $5800 over 3 trips to the dealer to repair the AC. It never ran more than 30 minutes after parting with my $1,000’s. That air bag suspension lasted as long as your garbage bag might after pouring boing water into it pre-filled with razor blades. And that’s another $4 or $5k. The cruise control NEVER worked- I didn’t know I had it for the first 3,000 miles, then when I did, it wasn’t there. The heated seats stopped working after 12,000 miles and the day after my factory warranty expired , it blew the transaxle/ $3600. The gas tank door stopped operating several times. Luckily Rsnge Rover has a work around they provide you in the tool kit (along with almost nothing practical). Obviously, they only include 1 such work-around tool. I needed 3. As for the front windshield? Make sure you up your insurance to cover cracks- the design is so boxy, any vehicle in front of you will kick up plenty of pebbles. That’s when your broker becomes your dinner friend as you’ll be calling him 3-4 times in the period of your ownership to get that replaced. The engine in mine was a Chevy block thing that never had much of a problem. But underneath it is another RR Beaut- the tranny overheat sender has a tiny unprotected wire that runs from the underside of the car up to the fuse box in the engine compartment. I happily learned this 120 miles from 4 corners on Navajo land when for no reason, the car just stopped running. At 60 mph on a lonesome dirt road, I found it hard to steer in a straight line as the power steering went out, with the engine shut down. Luckily I found the broken wire and an extra fuse found in my “Never leave home without it” kit. I have to stop here as the video above is ending and that amounts to about 1/2 of my experience. Course, resale is always a consideration. I gave mine to a friend. She no longer talks to me.
The question we prospectively L322 junkies need to know is, beyond the initial purchase cost, how much should we realistically set aside and budget for repairs and maintenance in the first year?
Just have £2,000 set aside for unplanned repairs. It won’t cost that much every year, but it will randomly demand that much at any given moment. For planned maintenance (tyres, brake pads etc), it’s the cost is double that of normal cars, and the frequency you need to replace them is around double also.
Going to collect my 05 4.4 V8 tomorrow ! Very excited ! Love the videos ! This one has a lpg conversion so hoping it all works ! £1400 as accident damaged door !
@@d.andrew4115 hey, so a lot happened ! Got there and it was running okay but a little knocks on bushes etc knocked down to £1300 paid left fuled up at around £145 at the time and drove 220 miles home it went into transmission failsafe mode. This locks the car if 4th gear ⚙️ preventing damage as it was detecting a fault. 1 gearbox service later and new oil etc filled it sort of went away but came back every now and again. Then one day boom locked into 4th never to come back out ! I was busy with other things and left it a while but last year around October we tried changing an actuator which cycles each time you start the car. It was seized and causing the fault £80 for second hand one and about 15 mins to fit when car was up in the ramp . Then in it went for new spark plugs as it had since developed a misfire. Plugs were helicoiled in and needed re seating as it was badly done. Whilst that happened two second hand door same colour and trim were swapped in. Sweet all done ready to go but oops the brake line burst in the garage 😝 no time to sort so was in the garage for about 6 weeks then replace lines and hoses front to back. Lpg system was serviced and fixed as that was also intermittent the fault was a relay £25 for a new one. So all in so far with bits servicing etc (was a few other bits done like tyres wishbones bearings etc) I now have a fully working Range Rover on LPG and it’s cost me £2400 including buying the car. I recently compleated a trip over 500 miles no faults and it cost me two tanks of LPG at £47 ish per tank so less than £90. Considering the same trip was completed a month earlier in a 1l Aygo (which was really uncomfortable noisy and rattlly) and put around £60-£65 of petrol in it I think the Range Rover on lpg is a good option. The car seems to have been relatively well looked after the lpg system is good the cam chain rails have been replaced recently . Now it’s not perfect it needs some more bits doing but if you have time and patience I’d say it’s a good buy.
Can I suggest you put some time markers on your videos so that viewers can jump straight to what they are interested in - in my case the actual running costs, which wasn't discussed until two-thirds of the way into the video. NB I enjoy your videos and generally watch from start to finish but in this case I just wanted to get to the costs.
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I do not condone the use of crack 😂
Thanks Joel 🥵😂
That’s a shame I honestly think it would make the filling up process of the rangeys fuel tank more bearable
I was laughing at the thought of you ticking all the boxes for monetisation… 😂
Too late. I’m already n addict thanks to your advice
I hear it is very moreish
Oh dear. I’ve passed on my terrible crack Range Rover addiction on to you and countless others. I don’t know whether to feel proud or incredibly guilty. You’ve got it bad, Joel. That said, I love Giverny Green - really suits it. As I was watching, I was thinking to myself “I ought to buy an L322”. Strange thing, addiction, isn’t it?
Buy one
Do it. You know you want to. Come on. Just another purchase. That won’t hurt, will it?
@@bambychoi9366 this next one might be the best one yet
Get one and then we can share the financial pain together
@@itsjoel lol - coz his L405 isn't crippling him enough already!!
Bought a 2012 L322 Autobiography recently. Bloody love it. Spent £1.9k on it in 2 months (tyres, disc brakes, gearbox flush ect) but there’s no way it’s going anywhere. I can’t put my finger on it. Just buy an L322 guys. You’ll regret it, but you won’t have any regrets regretting it.
Well said
🤯👍
I've been driving L322 since 12 years, agree with every word
Needed to hear this mate. 6 months into having my 2009 I've just been told the rear diff could need a rebuild, great news to ponder over the Xmas holidays and I'm stuck in a van doing the family visits all week, gutted. Still wouldn't give it up for the world, love the thing
I'm sure it's gone ages ago now.
Joel gives me the famous top gear trio vibes from how he delivers his content to how he talks about cars. I absolutely love it.
Ah yes, the unforgettable Chris, Freddie and Paddy
For the past 35 years I've worked as a Doorman in some of London's best 5 star hotels. I've valet parked literally thousands of different luxury cars and they are all spectacular in their own way. My hands down favourite though is the Range Rover. It drives beautifully and is easier to park than a car half its size. Yeah, they are expensive to maintain but as soon as I retire I'll move to the countryside and the first thing I buy will be a Range and then a dog to put in it 😊🐶
Harry metcalfe described these as an off road Bentley. He was absolutely right
So extremely expensive to maintain and totally unreliable then 😂😂
@@neilwalsh4058 well....Harry is a millionaire...
@@Matt-go7ss absolutely correct, but it would bankrupt most people
There is something about driving a Rangerover ….just gives you a good feeling inside,no matter what age it is.Ives owned 11 over the years…. Love em 😊
Miss my 2003 RR. Gave me 5 great years of reliability and I loved every moment of it.
When my 1986 Volvo 240 finally got short of spares I bought a 2004 Transit van. Super comfy, ideal for moving my push bikes around, makes an ideal camper in the summer, and apart from petrol I've spent just under £100 on it in two years - the cost of an MOT each year.
300,000 on the clock, and the damn thing keeps on going, with nary a problem. Ego-less, I don't care what I drive s long as it keeps on running!
I am a hilux surf owner and love watching range rover videos makes me realise how lucky I am not to own any sort of range rover
These people are completely dilluded.. Pay 2 grand for it, spend 10 grand on it in 6 months and it's still only worth 2 grand.
Stick with your Hi Lux mate and I'll stick with my £800 Frontera
@@neilwalsh4058 money isn’t everything 😐
@@brianredmond4919 depends on how hard you work for it I suppose.
@@neilwalsh4058 nothing to do with how hard you work, just depends on how much you enjoy driving - or not . Most people want a Range Rover after driving one .
@@brianredmond4919 most people want a Range Rover for the image it portrays and for keeping up with the Jones.
Big markets are in UK and USA, where one upmanship is top of the shopping list.
Australians won't touch them with a barge pole, prefer the Japanese stuff. Might not have the image but won't leave them stranded in the outback.
I prefer this design than the newer ones. It's really timeless
A passionate review , can tell how much you love these cars .
Thanks for watching
@@itsjoel pleasurable, Joel
I owned one of these (same year, same colour!) for a number of years, 4.4 V8 with LPG. I loved it, simply loved it. Everywhere I drove it was a pleasure. It was the best towing vehicle I have ever had, making light of the 3.5 tons of trailer that it took on the road and 5 tons that it pulled on the farm.
But my God, the cost of running, the repairs and (finally) the electrical gremlins and failing gearbox that made me sell it.
I now have a Grand Cherokee 3.0 Diesel. Sure, it's less of a car, but only 2 things have gone wrong in 4 years: (1) turbo actuator. £40 from a scrap yard (2) EGR valve. £100 from a scrap yard though a stupid PITA to fit. The Quadra Drive 4x4 is unbeatable and 8 year old Jeeps are cheap as chips
I'll keep my Jeep .... but I will always keep my old 1970 Range Rover with the small block Chevy in it. That one's a keeper.
Had a few Cherokee and the cadillac converter went on all of them..that part can be pricey 😢
I have one I just bought for 2000 euro but I live in Portugal so luckily I won't need to wear gloves in mine
Between you, Matt @High Peak Autos & Harry Metcalfe @Harrys Garage, you have convinced me to "scratch the itch", take the plunge and buy a low mileage 2012 L322 4.4 TDV8 Autobiography, at the most expensive time in 2nd hand car purchasing history! Despite its proven genuine 50,000 miles, it is already on its 3rd set of EGR valves and 2nd set of turbos! Collecting it this Sunday. My own addiction and stupidity has no bounds it seams...
Really enjoying your videos Joel, keep em coming!
Blankety blank, blankety blank...! (EGR's XD)
Great to see the Rangie - glad it has love from the supervisor (Katie). They're excellent beasts - I have a 4.4 TDV8 which is less ruinous at the fuel pump but still great fun and just as luxurious. You said at the beginning you weren't always in £100,000 cars; except that with a Range Rover's original list price, you very nearly are.
I recently got rid of my A7, I'm waiting for early next year for an F Type. But in the meantime thought I always loved this gen land rover. I know of the issues and regardless of a prefect model or bad model, they're all prone to issues...
So decided to buy a cheap one. Paid 2k for a discovery 3. In 4 weeks I've fixed the epb, suspension, upgraded rear lights, cloth seats now to heated leather...
I love it! Had bad snow up here at the weekend I spent it pulling people out of ditches in the North Yorkshire Dales... I don't think I'll get rid when I buy the F type
My 90k mile 4.4 V8 gen1 L322 is a weekend car but completely understand everything you’ve mentioned. Love it each and every time I hop into it. Tremendous trucks 👌🏻👊🏻
I’ve got a 2003/03 Vogue 4.4 V8 - it’s a lovely car and we are very pleased with it so far! Yes juicy but the lower tax bracket and insurance helps
I would suggest very few people in the UK really need a car of that size...
@@vincentl.9469 possibly - we have 3 Labradors.
I had the 4.4 V8 Diesel 2012 model. It was a fantastic car. Contrary to what many people think of the Range Rover, I found mine to be very reliable. Unfortunately, loss of job through the lockdown meant loss of car. I live in hope of being able to afford another one some day. :)
Sorry about your job!
I have heard good stories about the 4.4 V8 Diesel. I hope to own or at least drive one someday.
And sure, keep your spirit up and you'll get back what slipped from you
Hey Joel. I bought a 2019 Evoque in December and honestly that car has my heart lol! Your right, it is like a comfy armchair and several times a day I find myself looking out the window at it to admire. Never has any car had this grip on me. Any excuse to drive it and I’m out. I had a vogue 10 years ago but I really like the Evoque and how stylish it is. I got the Santorini black and it has grey trims. Enjoy your RR too!
Great review. I feel the same and understand where you come from when I have repairs on my Citroen C6 come around. Love the car despite the costs involved. And like yourself I had brought the car on the cheap.
Can't help but love these! 20 years old, but still have loads of presence!
I bought a 1995 County LWB about 12 years ago. It now shows 258,000 miles, but only about 60,000 on the rebuilt engine I had put in.
I love it and so do a lot of people: at least once a month, someone leaves a note on the windshield asking if I want to sell it. If you get one, maintaining it ain't cheap.
Having had many RRs in my life I'd say try out a 3.6TDV8 from 2008 onwards. That engine is superb and if you have it remapped too (sensibly) it pulls like a train and will return 26mpg all day long, maybe more on a long run.
Far better on a long run if you stay under 100kph. The 3.6 are bullit proof as is the Zf transmission if serviced.
On a recent Interstate 4100k trip in Australia towing a small trailer unloaded one way 200 kilos added on way home with air conditioning on lots of the trip and higher speeds than I'd have liked to do to get decent milage I returned a genuine 9.1 liters per 100k,s (26mpg).
Car alone with my tools which are always on board weighs exactly 3 ton....
So thank you land rover for providing such incredible machines that companies like Toyota could only dream of
The term 'A second hand car is worth what someone has paid for it' is especially true when it comes to the FFRR. Unfortunately, the majority earlier version L322's are 5 plus owners down the line and are being sold with a whole host of issues which simply aren't addressed and passed on to the next buyer, who 'fancies' getting themselves into a RR for peanuts. Is what it is. This fantastic car will make you open your wallet and take what's there..and then it'll come back and ask for more.
Owned my 05' plate 'autobiography' for 18 years. It's a second car, so covers a max 6k miles a year. Still wafts down to the Alps every year and has even crossed from Spain into Morocco and safaried though the Atlas Mountains.. and never missed a beat. It put's a smile on my face every time I drive it. It's immaculate and original spec..no added face lift parts and everything works BUT during my tenure ship of this vehicle, I have encountered and remedied just about every common fault there is. Wait until the heater blower packs up..that's a horrific fix for something so spurious.
There is no such thing as a cheap RR. If you are prepared for that, hands down it will be the best all round motor you will ever own. Phenomenally capable beasts and I love them.
I think you encapsulated ownership of a Range Rover of a certain age very well; it’s all about the mindset. I have a 2002 L322 3.0 TD6 which I bought around 10 years ago with 145k on the clock. I paid £10k for the car and since then have spent around £12k on non-routine maintenance including replacement gearbox (with recon unit,) new turbocharger, new front air suspension (struts & airbags,) new brake discs & callipers all round, new handbrake assembly, new wiper motor, new front seat valance, new brake pipe and various minor items (hoses etc) plus some cosmetic work (re spray of scratched panels, new light lens covers etc.) I’ve also had the car professionally rust proofed which is retreated at recommended intervals. More recently the ABS Modulator/Pump packed up but I bought a replacement from EBay for £130 (saving at least £2000) and will have it fitted shortly. It sounds a lot but bear in mind most of the work was done by Land Rover so I was paying top whack and if you put it in perspective I’ve spent £22000 to drive what I consider a superb vehicle for 10 years. Also because it now does low mileage (6000 a year) none of those fixed issues are likely to recur in the foreseeable future, and I now have thorough knowledge of the mechanical condition of my vehicle. I get immense pleasure and satisfaction from driving this car and can totally relate to your sentiments. I haven’t taken it off road but I do take it to the Austrian Alps each winter where it lives for 3 months during the ski season; I change to proper winter tyres (Continental TS850 Winter Contact) and it is an absolute beast, unstoppable in the snow and ice even on steep gradients; I still carry snow chains but from what I’ve experienced since using these tyres I doubt if I’ll ever need them again. It’s quite something when you can safely tackle winter conditions where even the well prepared locals would hesitate!
Yes.
(When I said “unstoppable” in snow & ice, I was obviously referring to UPHILL gradients; going DOWNHILL in snow & ice, it is remarkably stoppable, with these winter tyres on.) The Hill Descent Control is a wonderful piece of kit on slippery descents too, one you pluck up the courage to take your foot off the brake and let the car figure everything out by itself.
I've had my 2004 4.4 v8 petrol for 2 months, 165,000 miles. Love it.
I was told to keep £2k back for repairs. I bought a 2011 tdv8. I’ve had an oil cooler, coolant pipe, lower arm, drop link , upper brake light and tailgate strap since March 2021. I’ve used a heritage centre for labour so it shows as being looked after (they make the bamford one so I trust them implicitly). I’m in for about £2.5k picking up stuff the last owner couldn’t be arsed with. 4 new tyres coming soon and brakes but I love it. Anyone who has never owned one will tell you’re they’re shit. I’ve off roaded it, daily’d it, chucked stuff in it etc. I’ll keep as long as I can afford to. 32mpg average too over 1200miles
It will blitz off-road. I took mine among a load of defenders and they were surprised it didn’t get stuck in thick mud. It will climb most things but I’d suggest reading the owners manual to understand what to use when. Enjoy!
12 months into owning my 2011 TDV8, similar to you, have had an oil cooler done on warranty, just having 4 new tyres and some suspension work done this week - couple of electrical niggles, but I've fitted an aftermarket CarPlay mod to it and it's probably related. They're amazing on-road and I've done big weekend trips and UK to Spain and back in comfort. It's amazing off-road in the rural bit of Spain where I live, I'm seeing 35mpg easily on a long run and I've a feeling I'm going to be keeping this a lot longer than the "2 or so years" I'd originally intended :)
2 months in to my 2012 Autobiography. I’ve had the following done.
1. New discs and pads
2. 4 new Scorpion Zeros
3 diff oils replaced
4. Gearbox mega flush
5 steering alignment done
6. Stage 1 paint correction and 3 year ceramic
7. Deep interior clean
8. New battery
9. Ash tray replacement
10. Number plate light replacement
11. New Xenon bulbs
12. Need to order new chrome exhausts
13. Have a major service booked in
14. Fixed a Coolant issue
Tbh, most of this is general maintenance. I’m happy to put the money in to it. It’s not a project or for resale. It’s a car I just want to looks after. She’s a babe too.
You have made my day
I love mine
Apart from no heating and garage struggling to fix it and
Really hope it’s not the matrix
So thank you
Time has flown in! I remember the video you picked this up!
Joel please read this message; I work for a LR specialist in the south west and the one thing I recommend you to get done is an auto gearbox ‘megaflush’. Basically a gearbox oil change
Which one?
@@robholland6460 which specialist?
I always wanted one, so scratched the itch. One owner low mileage, full history. I had it for a year. Cost was about £1000 a month to run. Fuel, insurance and constant break downs. I bought a cheaper old car as a spare for when it was waiting repairs. Eventually sold it and bought something reliable.
These are the comments I was waiting to read.
Everyone chimes on about how great they are and how they had few issues and drove around Europe but that's just the lucky few I reckon! Cheers.
Good stuff man, just put $21k into my '12 Rover Sport Supercharged. "Buy the car you want, fix it when it breaks". Yep.
It stings. Time to DIY for sure.
"Buy the car you want: fix it when it breaks" - like that. Another one I use is - "look at the car, close your eyes: if you still see the car, that's OK; if you see a pile of cash dribbling down the drain, get rid..."
Whoa the taxes and insurance is soooo super cheap! Here in The Netherlands it would be like €280,- PER MONTH for taxes... and another €150 per month for insurance probably wich is crazy compaired to the UK. Sheezz But as always, had much fun watching a new range rover video again from your channel :)
This is exactly how I felt about my 2010 Discovery 4, even though it cost a fortune with repairs and road tax.
Having decided I would keep it until it went spectacularly wrong, about two months ago I broke my addiction and sold it. I was so sad to see it go and miss it, but the time was right.
Good luck with your addiction!!
My brothers just snapped it’s crank 😬🤦🏼♂️….£10k for a replacement engine….you have to love it as to get your money back you’ll need to run them till the wheels fall off 😂
I don’t see it myself (love of flash Land Rover models)….costs just outweigh the benefits.
Stick to defenders for 4x4’s, at least their basic nature means the only thing you really have to concern yourself with is rust
Funny listening to you Poms whinge about road tax... would coat you £1000 a year in Sweden!!
I bought a 10 year old range vogue a few years ago and it's been absolutely perfect. Couple of things have gone on it but nothing serious. Never had any major issues (yet). Had only done 70,000 when I got it. Biggest issue I find is how thirsty they are. As a daily driver you're looking at 100 quid a week on fuel at least. Still love it though! Great vid.
From one Joel to another, this is a really informative video. I've been thinking of changing my Volvo for a while and thought about a Range Rover! This is really tempting...thank you!
Thanks Joel, go for it!
Had an 3ltr diesel L322 for 3 years and loved it.
The attitude from other drivers was incredible, so courteous to the old girl. Took her to Ireland and Scotland and parked next to much newer RR's and Discos and she still looked the part despite being 16 years old. By far the comfiest car i've ever driven. 'Madge' made all her occupants feel rather special.....including my little dog.
.....oh.....the only issue i had with this car was a dodgy fuel pump.
On my short list of 'cars i must have in my life again' list.
Only sold her to make way for a van to convert to a camper, which at the moment never happened.
Passed everything on the roads after heavy snowfalls during the 'Beast from the East', Loved it.
Couldn't agree more. Range Rover's are fickle beasts, but also some of the best cars ever. Personally I prefer the previous gen P38 to L322, but can still admire them.
Got the same car but in Td6 trim, done 60,000 miles in four years bringing it to 170,000 miles and only minor wear and tear issues to speak of and 28mpg! In over 35 years of driving, this is my favourite car and I’ve had Q7’s, Cayennes and various BMW’s…..it’s the daddy!
Love the range
Another positive Joel is you will actually learn a lot more about cars and their components and what to look for while owning this RR.which is no bad thing, most people couldn’t even change a wheel with a flat tyre, or know what to do with the spray sealant on a newer vehicle.
Great video as usual Joel, class 'A' in fact 😉😆
I bought a cheap 53 plate L322 in April, with 96k on the clock. So far its cost nothing other than fuel, tax and insurance and a service kit. I took it on a 1300 mile round trip to the NC500 in summer and it never missed a beat. Its comfy as hell and i love it. Just need to get the awfully pixilated bmw cd/radio changed for something a bit more modern.
I own 2008 range rover tdv8 twin turbo and it's a brilliant car reliability wise mechanical is brilliant. Just silly electronics that go wrong but comfort wise perfect and is my every day use people do underate them and there just lovely for my self and the family
I like your general review of this car and I can definitely relate... some tips from owning one for almost 2 years, I'd suggest you check the rear upper knucle bushings as well as your front prop shaft going to the front diff. There were two types where the first type is a spline type and after many models ended up shaving them of, land rover replaced the splines with another type which is bolted on with 6 screws. Mine is at the mechanic as we speak for that reason. Other than that its perfect.
I like how the lights illuminate the road ahead 🤣
Great honest review and update enjoyable to watch love your channel (and Matt’s HP Autos too) good work.
I thought that I saw your Land Rover at Wendover Woods - I can see myself arrive in the red car at the end of your clip! Lovely little drive up to the car park, would be great to do a little hill climb up there!
Haha, no way. Next time say hi!
Great and honest review of a 2003 V8 classic. If you want one to enjoy you need deep pockets.
Really love the 'Perfect Box' square shape of these older Range Rovers. I think they've ruined it's visual impact with the slopey-grilled new one. Looks like a robotic rhino now.
So you've got the less expensive solution that actually looks like a smart SUV; a Win Win in all aspects really!
I have had a 2006 RR Sports HSE Diesal 3 year's now. Had the problem air suspension changed to coil and spring. Had the transmission rebuild and new torque converter etc. Had wishbones done. Had the door activators replaced. Had it wrapped in Matt Nardo Grey. Had two NEW battery's in 3 year's. Mmm still love but also bought a Mazda 3 as back up for when it's being repaired 😂👍
Lovely video. Always love this shape and yours with those wheels is exactly what I wanted as a young lad. Hope to have one, one day! And love that line buy the car you want and if it breaks, fix it!👌🏼
I have to agree that the L322 has a soft spot in my fleet for the reasons you list. I like the fact that there is no urgency when driving... a bit like my old Veedub camper, you just waft about, actually the Veedub was just very slooowwwww! I tend to drive slower in the RR to make the journey last longer! I do think you might have overpaid for a lemon and buying any old RR without some prior knowledge or an enthusiast on call was a risky thing which you are now paying for plus the "specialist" garage tag is a bit of a lucky dip, far better info and real World knowledge on the forums... Fullfat and Landyowner are brill!
Your wobble at speed and knock sounds like a failing inner tie rod or steering box if everything else has been sorted?
I personally find the L322 cheaper to run than my other cars, parts are cheap, easy to replace DIY and mine on lpg does equivalent of mid 30 mpg... got it on disability so tax and toll free. Only big costs are doubling up on fluid quantities for servicing and how fast it comes around every 6k miles... have had mine for about 3 years now, other than a £40 driver's door switch pack failing and a £20 gearbox solenoid to cure limp mode, it has served me well, although prices are rising for these old buses I won't be selling mine any time soon... what would I replace it with? Don't like the facelift cars as they are too fusy on the front and the L405 is a tarts handbag which slots in with the "full circle" Chelsea tractor image... Evoque, Velar and 'ickle SUVs with big boy badges on the front, as High Peak says.... buy a Ford Kuga! I have a P38 and tempted to get another Classic before the prices get stupid, they are different enough to justify owning three.
Those early L322's are just hard to find in well kept proper running condition, so any one you buy, will be a pocket killer. The Jag engine ones are the true sweet spot. The 5.0 ones from 2010-2012, those are also tons of give and take with engine and looks.
I love mine. 2088 4.4 HSE.
2088, quite a new one then 😳😂
Blokes come back from the future!
I've owned a 2005 model for 6 years. It currently has 179,000 miles. Still love it many issues but nothing I haven't been able to fix. That pop when you turn I would be suspect of 1 of 2 things. Front sway bar gets oil on it and slips slightly when in corners and or my current situation the steering pinion. I purched mine at top dollor at the time very very well maintained. That said I've had to fix valve cover leaks. Very important replace timing chain and guides 100k to 120k. Rebuild my vanos. This motor is a little tricky to time back correctly. Currently I have an issue in the steering column I have a work around for now. New column cost what the vehicle is worth, so I'm reluctant. I still would have worries about taking it on long trips. I know her issues. She does leak oil now everywhere although slightly. Valve covers need to be redone again I had to open it back up to to get my timing not to throw a code. The cog wheel was set off physical timing on point. It for the first time in a long time throwing no codes, it still runs like a scalded dog. I will keep it simply because the how good it is and it's worth nothing. Awesome vehicles if you stay after their issues
I've long thought these would really benefit from a torquier engine. The M62 is fine in a 540i, but I'd have thought it would struggle in the 2.7 ton Rangie. A Ford 5.4/5.8 GT500 engine is only 8mm longer, but it's a bit taller and can be bored and stroked to 6.8 litres, and it's supercharged... the big 4.7 inch stroker crank would give it a LOT of torque.
The m62 was quite sufficient by 2002 standards. A key criteria for the engine that went into this vehicle would have been NVH characteristics and fuel economy which would have knocked out many american v8s
@@walternyakwaka5481 the Ford engine is a quad-cam like the M62. The L322 is vastly heavier than the P38A - the result is that this is slower than the 4.6 Rover V8 engined P38A it replaced and the engine has to be worked harder, to the detriment of fuel economy.
@@richardharrold9736 The Rover V8 makes less than 230hp routed through a 4 speed auto. Even with the added weight the L322 is still a second faster to 100km/h (9.2s) than the P38A.
@@walternyakwaka5481 the Rover 4.6 makes 300lbft which is the important bit, barely less than the M62, and the P38A is much lighter, giving it a better torque-to-weight ratio. In the real world, the L322 4.4 is slower. They should have used the 4941cc S62 short block as a minimum, if not the S62 heads. I have an M62TUB44 in a 540i Touring, and it's fine with a 1900-ish kilo car to haul around, but an additional 800kg would make it unacceptably slow and thirsty.
I bought an L322 2003 4.4 v8 Vogue 6 months ago...I do all the work on it myself. Currently welding up the rear jacking points for the MOT...I do blame yourself and Matt from High Peak entirely... 😉 it is a great car though... 😀
A video demonstrating the off road abilities of this thing would be interesting, considering it's one of it's main selling points.
Coming soon 👌🏻
Last week i needed to pull a 12 ton truck out of a ditch in muddy terrain.... As it goes for most of my "offroad"- or "workhorse"-expierences, no cameraman around when needed (or just everyone too busy)... My two L322s (4.4V8, 3.6tdv8) are still tackling every damn task i'm throwing at them without complaining.... Just pure love!
Take it off road , you would be getting it recovered by you local RAC
I agree. That’s why I purchased the L322 brand new. The salesman took me on a highway and let 2 wheels go into the gravel on the side of the highway. He then slammed on the brakes and the car stayed straight. Most cars would spin out.
Holy crap 2k for a RR that explains a lot 😂😂😂. You’re being honest and that’s awesome. I’ve had my RRS for 4 months and it’s been smooth and I love the car.
Same here in Austria. Looking back on a fantastic time with my tdv6, but the gearbox issues killed me
Large cars depreciate for a reason and that is the cost of maintenance going forwards. A £2000 RR will still have the maintenance costs of a £60000 car. You swap purchasing costs for maintenance costs. Anyone who spends £2000 on an RR and doesn’t expect to spend £5000 a year on maintenance is deluding themselves. That’s why the car only costs £2000…
Thank you for another interesting upload. I understand your passion for the RR and it’s great to see your enjoyment. Off tropic what’s the watch your wearing ?
The rattle in the rear trunk is easy to fix. There are 2 screws right near the truck latch (right above the license plate) on the bottom truck hatch. They get loose and you just need to tighten them up.
Glad you’re enjoying yours. I had a 2003 from 2008 to 2012. I was so pleased to sell it. The car was great when it worked but otherwise was a total and utter disgrace. It was totally unreliable, constantly breaking down, having things stop working, bits flaking off the door handles, the steering column failing, etc, etc - it cost a fortune. We got it when I went to buy a car for my wife, with me wanting to get a 100 series Land Cruiser. The RR caught our eye instead. I was so proud to have the chance to own a RR, something I’d never have been able to afford in the UK (I live in Dubai). I guarantee that if we’d bought an LC we’d still have it and it’d be running perfectly! It was also rubbish in the desert - tyres too low profile, too much plastic to get ripped off. Truly awful experience.
Wow! I know yours was an old model but still what a mess... I'm looking at the 2022 SV top dog model but still somewhat afraid via yours and all the other horror stories I've heard about how unreliable it is and costly to repair. I'd like to think that the newer model would be different but still. My wife drives two Jags with zero issues even though Jags and Ranges are made by the same company...
Nice chat, Joel, or perhaps I should say a 'lovely' chat when transpiring inside a Rover. I'm a longtime MBZ owner in Dallas TX who recently bought a super clean Supercharged 2012 Range Rover HSE Lux with over 100k miles. All black with new Brembo brake pads and tires and a clean independent inspection. It honestly felt brand new when I test drove it, and has behaved perfectly since. (I'm believing it's a unicorn.) These vehicles feel like 'thrones on wheels' or like a Rolls-Royce SUV if they ever made one. Almost 3 tons heavy but it can hit 60mph in 5.5 seconds! I wish it had a little more exhaust growl, but now I'm just fussing. Just like you said, I find myself looking at this rig over my shoulder...and sometimes just sitting in the garage. Always thought we'd see my wife in a white Rover but she chose a smaller Audi instead, so my longtime admiration of L322's led me to flip my MBZ E-350 and take the plunge. Amazing vehicles. Thanks for sharing and blessings to all my fellow Rover enthusiasts.
Ya heard of the Cullinan?
I can relate to all you said. I have a 2012 RRS HSE Luxury and I love it.
I’m a young guy but even ik you deserve way more subscribers 100k this time next year easily 🤝
I had an epiphany whilst watching this, I really enjoy these real world chats about what it’s really like to own a car you’re actually passionate about and adore even with all its faults. Is this something you could do with guests with interesting dailies? Doesn’t need to be anything crazy modified with a million horsepower, just interesting, has some quirks and maybe some features but also what real world reliability has been like🤷🏼♂️
Hi again Joel, interesting vid, the fuel costs are horrific but, I know where you are coming from, the joy of owning it outways that. Best wishes mate 👍
My wife is addicted to Range Rovers, she's on her third. You can wave goodbye to all of your spare cash if you have one, also make sure that you have a spare car to use as it will spend alot of time in the garage. Her last one cost £15k to buy, £18k in bills though! Current one is a 60 plate, cost £18k, costs about £3k per year to keep it half going. I'm a Jaaaag man, for the past 30 years, never had a bad one!
Have a Freelander 2, got most of the mechanical issues sorted but it's the little things that piss you off...sensors, electrical faults, windows sticking etc.
As a mechanic I can say most Range Rover problems are completely unacceptable considering it's status and price tag, even cheap car brands don't just fail brakes unless grossly neglected, I honestly find it difficult to connect its reliability with it's status.
Amazingly accurate and truthful analysis. A brilliant video!!👍
Sorry for the thread creep but I am on the verge of getting a Freelander, last of the range, diesel. SD4.🙄
You'd 'sooner go bust than give up the car...............'? That's dedication!!
18 MPG - ? It's a very tough life. I couldn't handle that in a world of 70 MPG with Diesel at £1.58/litre if you're lucky.
Sorry, I loved your video but 18mpg has just now knocked me out if the ball park. By the way, for a Rangey, that's very good MPG!
"Today, there was a sudden sharp unseasonal increase in Approved Used Range Rovers Sales figures!"
(I want to marry a girl whose dad owns a fuel refinery.)
It would be great to see you and Matt (high peek) do a video together.
"Lots of work done", reminds me of an Ex girl friend, she used to slap on make up like she was painting the forth road bridge, I moved on, let someone else have that pain. But i still kept my LR, thirsty yes, very thirsty, but very enjoyable, the LR death wobble, scary when it hits, steering stabiliser or a worn bush is the culprit.
I've joined the Crack club too. I managed to buy a 56 plate vogue SE from a very dear friend who sold it to me for a give away price of £1,500 the rear wheel arches need replacing and a few little job's but I enjoy every minute of driving it Brilliant video and another subscriber to your channel. Kind regards Mel Jarvis
love it great content. It needs the facelift front end putting on and a set of stormer alloys
The old lights were great - real glass and wipers make all the difference in muddy Moscow winters. Still miss my '05 driving the '12 supercharged these days) Purchased a fresh new body RRS last year but brought it back to the dealer - way inferior to L322 in all aspects but fuel efficiency. However if I kept it, I could make 15k USD easily today due to swollen prices)
Some nice mud flaps to finish it off, especially to stop stone chipping the sills ! 👍 I have a face lift 2010 sport l320, and love every mile i drive !
Hi Joel, just 2 let you know, because of your Range Rover review, I have fallen in love🥰 with one myself. BUT! The cheapest one I can find in Denmark is GBP 10,000 ! (2005 Land Rover Range Rover Sport SE, 4.2) AND, wait for it; the annual road tax for it in Denmark is GBP 1,500!!! 😤😥😒 Prices for fuel are slightly higher here than in the UK. There went that dream! 😥😩
Luv your channel!! Best regards, John, Denmark
Forget the Range the root beer on your wrist is class 👌🏻
What a machine! Another great video
Thanks Tim !
Hi. Your issue with wheel wobble could be wheel balancing or a out of shape tyre (also out of shape tyre can cause wheel bearing type of noise). Had my L322 for 3yrs now (89000 on clock when bought now 117000) lovely car and as you say its a joy to drive.
I had an l322 4.4 v8 petrol 2006. I'm gonna buy a 12 plate diesel next. Love them. Great all rounder car.
a friend posted this video on his facebook page and while watching it you mentioned high peak autos which i also watch small world it is! now i have two channels to watch :D
Great passion for the car! I'm currently looking for a P38 4.6L here in Norway but theyre rare....
A relative of mine decided to buy a nice, shiny looking black 08 reg Range Rover a while ago. At the time I did hint at it not being the best idea he'd ever had, but he bought it anyway. After a few months, I heard the Range Rover was "being sorted" at a mate's garage. I never saw him driving it again....
Are you taking the RR to the Land Rover Experience at Eastnor Castle? If so, and if you do break down, your local indie LR specialist is Grey Hill 4x4 in Tirley, Glos GL19 4HA. During my eight years of Disco3 ownership, they were the best indie I found. Yes, every visit is a four figure bill; this is Land Rover after all. But these guys really will fix the issue, and won't bullshit. They were the ones who finally fixed the turbo cross pipes on my Disco after two failures due to pipes cracking after improper fitting. Everything Matt at High Peak says about the uselessness of the dealer network is true in my experience. And yes, I agree, it is an addiction, and I'm 5 years sober now!
Perfectly put, once you drive a range rover nothing else compares in the same price point. The air suspension is just to die for, especially in the L405 at 100+ on the motorway, I can't describe how relaxing and disconnected from bumps and the outside world you are in it. The funny thing is i have a L322 and she is mechanical sound, it just has some strange range rover faults now and again ie the fan that never turns off because of the faulty heat cluster 😅. Also you explained my upgrade path too. Later supercharged model, then a L405 hopefully in the next couple of years so it's funny to hear we all think a like 🤣.
P.S the mrs hates how big and expensive it is which makes ownership even funnier 🤣
I owned one and man, of all the cars I’ve owned? This one broke everything electrical. I spent $5800 over 3 trips to the dealer to repair the AC. It never ran more than 30 minutes after parting with my $1,000’s. That air bag suspension lasted as long as your garbage bag might after pouring boing water into it pre-filled with razor blades. And that’s another $4 or $5k. The cruise control NEVER worked- I didn’t know I had it for the first 3,000 miles, then when I did, it wasn’t there. The heated seats stopped working after 12,000 miles and the day after my factory warranty expired , it blew the transaxle/ $3600. The gas tank door stopped operating several times. Luckily Rsnge Rover has a work around they provide you in the tool kit (along with almost nothing practical). Obviously, they only include 1 such work-around tool. I needed 3. As for the front windshield? Make sure you up your insurance to cover cracks- the design is so boxy, any vehicle in front of you will kick up plenty of pebbles. That’s when your broker becomes your dinner friend as you’ll be calling him 3-4 times in the period of your ownership to get that replaced. The engine in mine was a Chevy block thing that never had much of a problem. But underneath it is another RR Beaut- the tranny overheat sender has a tiny unprotected wire that runs from the underside of the car up to the fuse box in the engine compartment. I happily learned this 120 miles from 4 corners on Navajo land when for no reason, the car just stopped running. At 60 mph on a lonesome dirt road, I found it hard to steer in a straight line as the power steering went out, with the engine shut down. Luckily I found the broken wire and an extra fuse found in my “Never leave home without it” kit. I have to stop here as the video above is ending and that amounts to about 1/2 of my experience. Course, resale is always a consideration. I gave mine to a friend. She no longer talks to me.
The question we prospectively L322 junkies need to know is, beyond the initial purchase cost, how much should we realistically set aside and budget for repairs and maintenance in the first year?
Just have £2,000 set aside for unplanned repairs. It won’t cost that much every year, but it will randomly demand that much at any given moment. For planned maintenance (tyres, brake pads etc), it’s the cost is double that of normal cars, and the frequency you need to replace them is around double also.
A crack habit might be cheaper... on the subject of cheap what’s happened to the CLK and the competition to win it for a weekend?
It’s maybe anti roll bar links in the front,
That make knocking sounds when going over bumps
17:00 sounds like a wheel balancing issue, but check that the wheel bolts are torqued to spec.
Going to collect my 05 4.4 V8 tomorrow ! Very excited ! Love the videos ! This one has a lpg conversion so hoping it all works ! £1400 as accident damaged door !
And how was the 1st year with the car. Any issues? How js the lpg usage?
@@d.andrew4115 hey, so a lot happened ! Got there and it was running okay but a little knocks on bushes etc knocked down to £1300 paid left fuled up at around £145 at the time and drove 220 miles home it went into transmission failsafe mode. This locks the car if 4th gear ⚙️ preventing damage as it was detecting a fault. 1 gearbox service later and new oil etc filled it sort of went away but came back every now and again. Then one day boom locked into 4th never to come back out ! I was busy with other things and left it a while but last year around October we tried changing an actuator which cycles each time you start the car. It was seized and causing the fault £80 for second hand one and about 15 mins to fit when car was up in the ramp . Then in it went for new spark plugs as it had since developed a misfire. Plugs were helicoiled in and needed re seating as it was badly done. Whilst that happened two second hand door same colour and trim were swapped in. Sweet all done ready to go but oops the brake line burst in the garage 😝 no time to sort so was in the garage for about 6 weeks then replace lines and hoses front to back. Lpg system was serviced and fixed as that was also intermittent the fault was a relay £25 for a new one. So all in so far with bits servicing etc (was a few other bits done like tyres wishbones bearings etc) I now have a fully working Range Rover on LPG and it’s cost me £2400 including buying the car. I recently compleated a trip over 500 miles no faults and it cost me two tanks of LPG at £47 ish per tank so less than £90. Considering the same trip was completed a month earlier in a 1l Aygo (which was really uncomfortable noisy and rattlly) and put around £60-£65 of petrol in it I think the Range Rover on lpg is a good option. The car seems to have been relatively well looked after the lpg system is good the cam chain rails have been replaced recently . Now it’s not perfect it needs some more bits doing but if you have time and patience I’d say it’s a good buy.
BRILLIANT VIDEO. MANY THANKS
Glad you enjoyed it
Can I suggest you put some time markers on your videos so that viewers can jump straight to what they are interested in - in my case the actual running costs, which wasn't discussed until two-thirds of the way into the video. NB I enjoy your videos and generally watch from start to finish but in this case I just wanted to get to the costs.
Always wanted one in white, that square front end works for me! Unfortunately too expensive to maintain in South Africa!