guys like him boost about how good they are but after you by a car i would like to see how he reacts i bet he tells you to piss off i am a master mechanic trained by BMW MUNICH he is to slippery for me
My first RR was a 2011 L322. I absolutely loved that truck. I had it for 3 years, babied it and traded it in on a new one. One of the things I really loved about the interior was the piping on the seats. It added that certain class look . On my fifth RR now. Like you I love the brand.
I wonder if the 2012 Continental tyre was originally the spare. That would explain why it’s the only premium tyre, and also why such an old tyre still appears to be in good condition.
@@robinl.7948 this stirs up the curiosity! I don’t believe that a tyre from 2012 would have lasted that long on a high-mileage car, so I wonder if the wheel has been replaced, and that one is off another lower mileage car.
The L322s maintain an aura of power and prestige, no wonder Her Majestys favourite was her 2006 L322. Age and value attach have no impact on certain cars...they rise above such middle class nonsense...the same could be said about the Bentley Turbo R.
Hi Matt. Must admit - if I lived back in the UK, I would be banging on your door to buy this. As you might recall from previous comments, I live in Qatar and own both a 2008 4.4 V8 LR3 HSE and a 2012 5.0 V8 Supercharged Sport. Love them both. I couldn't agree more about keeping a budget aside for looking after them - I set aside a notional QR 2000-00 (about 400 GBP) a month for non-service repairs - most months neither of them need anything but then when they do, I am not losing sleep over repair costs. And I only use a specialist independent LR service chap who actually knows how to look after these cars. At the end of the day, even if they are 'good value' second hand, they were still expensive cars new and they remain expensive cars to service and repair. This needs to be remembered. Great video on a great vehicle.
Did you say you set 400GBP aside every month??? You can pay a mortgage with that cash. I Guess I can't afford that much on just a car. Lovely car though, It must drive like a dream
@@javigar133 Hi there - thats what I keep aside as a 'monthly budget' for both the LR3 and RR Sport - that's not what I actually spend every month. And thats for 2no cars. Yes - I guess it does sound a lot if you consider it, but then if I don't spend anything for 6 or 7 months or longer, then the budget doesn't get used and I am no worse (and indeed better) off. Look at it another way - I could quite easily spend that amount of money (and way more) every month financing the purchase of a newer car of similar type (how much is finance on a new/newer Range Rover?) or use my savings to simply pay outright both of which would cost me money. The money I have budgeted to spend but haven't spent sits in an interest bearing account and I have 2no nicer older Land/Range Rovers that I enjoy without financial burden.
@@coops1964 Morning and thanks for taking the time to reply. Answers to you suggestions are a) arguably mad according to my wife; b) not wealthy by Qatar standards c) while my LR3 and RRS may have air suspension and relatively big V8 engines (by some standards), they are definitely NOT vans!! Perhaps you have never driven either - if you had you would realise this. However, by comparison to other 4x4s here in Qatar (Land Cruiser 5.7 V8, Mercedes G63, Ford Raptors, Chevy Tahoe, etc.) 4.4 V8 and 5.0 V8 are not particularly big and with petrol at the equivalent of 45p/litre it doesnt matter that much anyway. Ohh - by the way - we also own a Ford Expedition with a 5.4 V8 too.
@@sportster883able I follow your logic, I won't ever buy a brand new car due to criminal depreciation, but budgeting 400GBP per month just for potential repairs is, maddening to me. I agree there is something special about Rangel Rovers, I should test one, but there is this brand, Lexus, that offers a superb driving experience without breaking the bank on repair bills. Matter of taste, prioritise and, of course, disposable income I guess
Has anyone put two and two together yet about this Range Rover L322 the original number plate said SAW what is short for Stock Aitken Waterman and in the CD changer was Rick Astley CD.
Completely agree on selling it. I sold a RRS tdv8 I tried my best not to sell it to a guy that had come out of a lease car. It was cheap and I said beware that at any point it could need something. A few months later a turbo failed and he sold it for nothing because he didn’t want to spend the money fixing it. It was daft everything else was spot on with the car
That’s the trouble. Spending 9 grand on most other stuff it Doesn’t need a couple Of grand a year float for problems. It’s just not a viable car when it gets on abit. 24 mpg urban from a Diesel, well documented unreliability. Credit crunch and Xmas here. Your hoping that someone who likes them will buy it. As opposed to something that has more mass appeal flying off the pitch. Avoid at all costs
Simply love how you really get into the small details of 'making' a car perfect, like the filler cap. Could've been something I'd done. Keep up the great content!
After 30 years of Landrover / Range Rover ownership it’s always great to see that you’re an enthusiast and do what’s necessary to save the car and get it working as it should. I’m always put right off a vehicle if a seller, including LR main dealers, who do the absolute minimum, even trying to sell them with mixed tyres. The interior looked good on that one, I’ve seen quite a few L322s with well worn controls which never gives a good impression. I’ve just had to buy a rear light for my L405 (wife borrowed car…) £330 online and around £600 from the dealer. Never cheap. Keep up the good work!
Great looking car and much as I would love it, I could not afford the upkeep, but you have done a great job and your enthusiasm and attention to detail to bring this classic sample of British engineering back to life is commendable, well done, good luck with the sale.
The most interesting and informative 31 minutes and 10 seconds of TH-cam video I've watched in ages. I felt like I had been involved in the process from start to finish. Thanks for taking the time to post these uploads.
I wasn't sure if you were going down the cheap brushup option or the fully restore and make it a mint example and glad you went for option 2. Looks great Matt. Also suprised that a cheap 10 year old range rover was cheap due to bodywork neglect rather than serious mechanical issues, seems like a role reversal 😂
Before the spruce up, it really was as good as you could ask for it to be at that price. After the spruce up it's 💯👌🏻 Great looking car, and still a bargain for the sensible, realistic buyer.
Agreed.....In the UK the difference between trade and retail prices are significant....That is partly to allow for typical costs to prep to remail standard. Unfortunately there are wide variations as to what prep work is done by some traders. Some wil do very little more than a supermarket car wash/vac & a maybe a source a dodgy MOT then advertise for a significant margin maybe hiding behind a chocolate teapot warranty and not answering calls if the sold car has issues. Fair play to this guy
Hi Matt, yet another cracking video on an exceptional car. Your comments are honest and you explain things and costs right down to the last penny. Your advice about running costs, servicing etc are absolutely spot on. Great video Matt and a great channel.
@@mattlawton4715 Personally, I love the window tint and it was very subtle in the front so it might have been better to let the new owner decide for themselves. It also protects against skin cancer which isn't often mentioned.
Your advice of keeping an extra 4k when buying a used Land Rover was the best thing ever. After purchasing my 2013 Freelander 2 I had to spent money on these things: cambelt and clutch replacement, 2 door locks failed, boot lock failed and a full service. It wasn't cheap but at least I was prepared. Anyway, whenever I drive the car I forget about maintenance as I cannot imagine driving something else. They are the best cars ever!
Keeping an extra 4K when buying a Land Rover is perhaps the biggest indication not to buy one. They deserve their bad rep and reek of people valuing status and image over others being a decent reliable car
@@dilan4123 You got that right, it's status, the average person buying one lives to regret it, overpriced, poor quality money pit. But! ok if you are royalty, government, sports star or big company nob and it is bought and maintained by someone else..
I had from new the last of the 3ltr Vogue , 2006 ( latr model same yr 3,6 ) with side steps & 20 inch wheels for 10 yrs Just looking at this wants to make me 😢😢😢😢 that model still exudes style & comfort & safety ,it will never go out of Fashion ,,! Lovely Honest presentation by you as someone to be TRUSTED
I don't think there is ever a cheap rangey unless you're either very lucky or a mechanic with OCD. Normally within a long run, 3 months or heavy foot you can soon build up a list of issues ! Part worns all round ...god knows what the latest service really looked like after 95k .....eBay oil oil and slick 50 ....😂 I do however as per wish you well and I'm sure you'll have it looking and driving as it should 👍🏻🙏
Been watching your videos for years…huge fan of anything Land Rover, but your totally right , my grandad once said to be never buy a land rover you couldn’t comfortably buy twice, at least older one. They have to be looked after. Keep up the great content Matt!
Got to love the Range Rover. I had a 2006 Vogue SE supercharged, I sold it when I got my company car, I still miss it. Land Rovers remain the greatest 4 x 4s by far.
That’s a different watch you are wearing from last video with your Mercedes! 🤔 I think the thing with tyres is that the garages might tell people to always have 2 of the same on each axle, but folk are mostly indifferent when they don’t understand the consequences of having different tyres. Grip, safety and drivability is not a concern here in the U.K., unless one is a petrol head!🤷🏻♂️
I've driven one of these to London & back in a day (470 miles) on one tank of fuel & I wasn't tired afterwards. 3 months later I bought a 2014 L450 V8 diesel which I still own & have vowed to never sell.
This is the sort of thing that is probably worth considering as a candidate for my 'mostly parked up, 1500 miles a year' replacement for my Freelander. Another great vid, thanks
You really cannot run a Range Rover or any of exclusive car like this on a budget, I’ve always made sure that if I buy a car I’ll look after it and I feel like some people don’t understand that if you don’t ‘love’ the car then it won’t ‘love’ you back.
The steps could be a simple clean/ grease fix. My 2009 3.6tdv8 Westminster has them and if anything is caught, even a small grit, it will not pull back in. Also scared me on the headline... £6k... thought mine had lost so much value 😟. Thankfully you clarified when fixed.
At least it was a spare wheel in the well, and not a corpse. Not a bad effort for what you spent. There will definitely be someone out there who is hunting for this spec.
I smiled when you confirmed the A/C was working. I have never bought a car with broken A/C as it's never 'just' a recharge. It's usually an expensive compressor, condenser, or both!
Great video as always. Amazing how much difference mileage makes to used values. You mentioned retailing the L322 around the £13k mark, for the same model and year with 70k miles you'd be looking £17k+
Like anything else in sales, it's all about finding the market. The best thing you can do with this is to park it up outside Broadmoor with a 'for sale' sign in the window.
To be honest at this spec of car would not worry too much about a few dints and scrapes it’s the engine gear box and suspension condition/service history that’s important. Great car for running around Europe in. Nice buy looking forward to what you do to it.
Always love these videos where we see the end result. I actually prefer the front door windows tinted if the rear section has the factory tint. I just don't like the half-tinted look. If the back section isn't factory tinted I don't tint at all. First thing I did when I bought my Touareg was tint the front door windows to match the rest. Cheers.
There is something special about a RR , that once you've had one you simply ignore all the problems that you might have . You'll always have a RR !! like you I also have a L405 but also a P38 and even though I use other cars there's always something special about driving around in a Range Rover
Love the 322, and always thought the Westminster was a lovely spec! If you need bits like replacement filler caps or straps, give Powerful UK a look. Good guys, sensibly priced parts (OEM and aftermarket) - useful for older models! (And I'm not affiliated to them in anyway!)
I like that you're checking out tyres now. Trust the date code it tells a story, the fronts are cheap but match, I think the rears were matching Pirellis but one of them got low on tread depth or otherwise damaged so was replaced by the spare wheel which would be the 2012 Continental you found, a date matching the build date of the vehicle. So maybe the tyre story wasn't as bad as it first appeared. MOT history shows a ton of tyre issues so it all checks out! A quick check of the private plate shows that particular owner likes Land Rovers and bought another, good service history while they had it. Looks like a really good buy and you did a cracking job with it, this is how cars should be sold, you're setting a great example.
I actually found a shovel, duct tape, and a couple of blankets from an old Ford Focus I bought! And those weren't there when I was inspecting the car. Had to contact the owner since it scared me a little.
I purchased a 2011 tdv8 4.4 se Vogue: It cost me 10 k, I immediately had all fluids replaced, full service, new brake pipes all round. (heavily corroded). Its in dark metallic grey and its fabulous, I budgeted 5k for services problems etc. So far I have spent just over 2k but its so worth it! Its a nice example that has never towed and taking one of your pointers I switched the radio on ...Classic FM! Back of the net :) I bet all salesman are now consciously tuning the radios to a more mature station to give a particular impression. The thing is, its a car, it will go wrong, like anything mechanical. The trick is, maintain it! Fix everything when its faulty and the experience will be fab. Leave one problem to accelerate to 4 or 5 and you are done.
Excellent advice, Matt. And, right off the bat, whoever buys it will need to get a 2nd key for it. Can't imagine that'll be cheap. Even on non-luxury cars from non-luxury brands, that's very pricey. Just peace of mind, really. One key, anything happens to it, you're screwed.
Good point, but one way of getting a genuine replacement for next to nothing is check the insurance policy. A lot of insurers include key cover as part of a comprehensive policy or for an extra fee (usual quite small, under 20 quid or so). Claiming on that should not burst a NCB either. It is a bit cheeky and depends where you sit on the morals of it. but as the car would've originally had 2 then as the new owner you could say it is definitely lost! I've never done it myself but i always knew it was available on any policies I've had. I made my own for my old E46 M3 a few years ago by ordering a new style blank fob/blade and using a cheap Ak90+ programmer to extract the cars data from the immobiliser unit and write it to the new one. Saved near 200 quid by not paying BMW to ship one from germany. Couldn't believe how easy the whole process was.
Owning any Land Rover is a labour of love but so worth it! Having a Discovery 3 Metropolis(250 made) 240k on the clock and never misses a beat on and off road, thankfully have a mate that runs a LR 4x4 garage😉 Great content Matt👌
Since I've started watching your videos I've absolutely fallen in love with these Range Rovers. In the past I've never even thought about them, but now I keep finding myself constantly desiring one. Hopefully I'll be able to get a nice one in the next couple of years 🙌 Thanks as always for the great video, really appreciate your work.
Hi Matt great content as always I actually have one 2012 Westminster L322 my alarm keeps going of running battery down Land Rover did a diagnostic on it said faulty passenger & Drivers door locks ? Would you know if this is common fault on them appreciate any info
The best thing about these old Range Rovers is that they can be found in either a stunning estate or in poor council housing. It's like the British version of an old Escalade.
As a Range Rover lover I can appreciate the TLC you’ve given to this baby. I needed it. And you’re right, it’s a real shame that it wasn’t loved by the previous owner. It looks sounds and I’m sure drives great now. However... as much as I would like to buy one, I can’t give 12Gs for a car with 137K on the clock.
Those guys who do dent removal are magicians. Recently had a tiny pin head size dent removed. Couldn't believe it after the chap did it. Couldn't see where it had been. Worth their weight in gold. Not a bad buy for £6000. As usual you have done a brilliant job on sorting it. 👍🙂 One of our local near do wells runs one of these. It looks very unloved. As you say you can't run these on a shoe string. 🤔🤔
Very wise words from HPA regarding not just buying the vehicle, but having deep enough pockets to keep it correctly maintained. As ever, excellent informative video.
I really appreciate these videos - I have always loved the design and look of the Range Rovers and am now considering a lightly used Sport. I look after my vehicles and while it seems there is a reputation for unreliability, many of the issues won’t leave you stranded. I’m a Brit in San Diego and currently visiting the UK and seeing sooo many Range Rovers, Discoveries and such. Subscription earned!
Money well spent, someone will be very happy with this. I really enjoyed you stepping us through your diagnosis and recovery outcome. Glad to see your daily driver is an AB, much more civilised, but you should try to get your hands (or your head) on the pillow pack. I think I paid £360 to get an extra pair for the fronts, so not cheap, but they’re a comfort game-changer, thank me later.
I love your brutal honesty. It's is actually refreshing. Sometimes I binge watch your videos for more insight into these cars m some of which I have driven Iver the years.
I've never understood the attraction of buying a vehicle with tremendous off-road abilities, which of course you pay for in transmission complication and expense together with higher fuel consumption due to extra transmission friction losses, when the only time it will ever go off-road is when the MOT is due and it goes on the garage ramp!
£12k is bang on the money buddy, if I had the space and the cash, I wouldn't hesitate, the body shop bill was a bargain, you should tag them in your videos and pump some work their way 👍
Honestly, all of these RR videos you make, just makes me want to buy L322 more and more. Hopefully i will find a proper one this month and can be a proud owner :)
I drive a RR 4.4 V8 Vogue same model. Your comment about needing a RR rainy day pot is spot on, it should have at least £3k in it, with money elsewhere to immediately top it up when needed! Lovely to drive though😊
Hey, man. Cool video, like always. You are the reason why I bought a L405 Vogue 2018 with 65k miles on it. Even if i had to put 5k on wheels, breaks, fluids and filter changes, it is the best decision i've I took. There is absolutely no car that can match it. (We have a BMW x5 2020 and a Volvo XC90 2021 in our family - they feel like toys in comparison). So, thanks and kudos for your channel.
Great transformation ! It's still a car to arrive in - looks great ! I'm reading that in the US, car dealers are playing hot potato with used G-Wagons as the bottom falls out of the used car market. Is that happening there in the UK for similar blingy expensive things bought in the last 3 years ?
These videos on older cars are the best (I know I always say that...but they are!). I'm not someone who's ever owned a new car...or even a car less than 5 years old...so I enjoy this sort of thing alot more than videos about brand new cars. Also the fact that you ARE Fernando Partridge makes these videos unmissable for me!
Love watching your stuff, you get some really nice detail into your videos. It was watching your video about the 5.0 L322 that convinced me to buy one. It's amazing what a bad rep these get, mostly from being poorly maintained. Not sure why people are surprised they are expensive to run, given their complexity and cost when new. The previous owner of mine spent the better part of 20k on it in the last two years, including a replacement motor, and it's still needed replacement front bags, rear shocks, rear wiper arm (fixed the leaking gasket in the motor), brakes, rear toe arms and eccentric bolts to bring it up to scratch. I don't know what else you can get for sub 20k that's as good (and versatile) a motor though. I actually found the cost of parts fairly priced when I've done work myself. Seems to be the "premium RR" labour rates that drive the bills up looking through it's history.
I’m on my 2nd Yeti , 26 years in the motortrade and owned proberly 100’s of cars from Skoda / VW / BMW I can safely say the yeti is by far the best out them all especially on build quality and reliability
It's the same for the Discovery 3 and 4. They are now cheap so most people can buy them but few who do realise wha it costs to run them. I've owned 2 D3 and D4 and you've really got to love LR and be prepared to fork out to keep them in good fettle. Great to see your honesty and pragmatism about these beasties.
You just saved me from going for 12 y.o. RR not fully prep. Worth noting an extra £3K in pocket just in case 😊 Cheers mate, appreciate your brutal honesty
I agree with you about the side steps - they look naff and when getting in or out the car, you don't know whether to use them by stepping on them or stepping over them then getting your trousers dirty. Nice looking car though and your comments about on going maintenance costs are so true. People need to purchase one of these with their eyes wide open and try not to look like a poseur.
Had the pleasure of a Range Rover 400e Vogue this week. While it wasn’t the fastest car in the world, I was amazed to see it was a 2ltr Petrol plug in hybrid, that gave loads more oomph! I might be a Range Rover convert. Been using Land Rover Disco’s for years….
A classic HPA RR vlog. I'm awarding a 9/10 for 'that' Matt look which always follows the "X Months Later" graphic. You know that one where, yet again, you realise that all your early optimism about rescuing another abused and unloved Range Rover and re-homing it whilst turning a tidy profit has turned to ash........ 🙂 The Finished product looked sharp. Credit to everyone who worked on it. Even the skilled technician who installed the new wheel badges
As a used RRL322 owner fully enjoyed your video you are spot on had two late 2010and 2012s once you get them right they are great as you said set aside a couple of grand a year and you would not want a better car👍
From CD collection, most appropriate track - Rick Astley - Never Gonna Give You Up...1-2-3 "Never gonna give you up, never gonna play dodgy CD sounds, never gonna run you into-the-ground, and not service you. Never gonna scrape your drivers-side, and crack your rear light, never gonna look at the service guide and ignore it" *Takes a bow
I’ve got a brilliant 2015 tdv8 4.4 bought two years ago with 40k miles, I’ve done around 20k miles in 2 years kept it serviced and well looked after. It still has cost me around £15,000 maybe a tad more over the 2 years in general maintaince and a few issues like oil housing and coolant housing leaks, air suspension fault etc these bills certainly do add up! Coolant pipes cost a fortune and seem to need placing very so often etc If you’re buying one of these you really do need to know that keeping up to the maintaince is going to cost you and you have to be willing to pay to keep the maintaince up. I’ve done suspension bushes too and that’s not cheap will probably need doing in the next MOT
Great advice! I have always gone the same way as most used vehicles need a bit of spending to get them up to par. I over budget on my maintenance costs.
Hi Matt, This is Chris in Canada. Another great video. As I am heading over to the UK in April for a 3_week tour with my elderly mother, I found this video very useful in helping me make my choice for the tour. It is this or a 1985 Rolls-Royce Silver Spirit.
The Hyundai Matrix was the best car l have ever used for the family,its driving position was brilliant, it managed to handle 8 trips from Derbyshire to Cornwall with ease.I then gave it to my son who used it daily and for his holidays it was scrapped this year because of the rust, it never broke down and was a much loved family runaround. Now l will make you laugh as l purchased the top of the range Nissan which is your second car you don't like. Finally l love watching purchase and have fun with all of your cars plus the overspends,good videos l wish you luck.
Dude why don’t you buy parts yourself online and do some labour like remove the steps etc yourself? You could save heaps more and it would honestly be more interesting.
Followed your advice and used carvertical to do a check on 2 Saabs identified as a possible. One had outstanding finance. So that made my decision to go for the Saab that was clean. I'm impressed Thankyou
What an amazing turn around for such a beautiful car - totally worth spending the money. I have been toying with chopping mine in for a cheap Ford Kuga over the past few months because I just don’t use it that much any more, However, watching this video made me realise just how much I’d miss it. So rather than losing tons of money by trading it in and getting a crappy Ford, I’ve decided to take mine out and spend what money I’d have lost changing cars on the L322 ( also a 4.4 TDV8 ) and treat it to some decent maintenance. I always used to be super diligent and ‘money no object ‘ with it, but since covid hit, I’ve kinda neglected it a little. Thanks for re-igniting my passion and enthusiasm for them. Just shows what can be done with a little TLC
I love your brutally honest style and delivery in these videos. I would trust you if I were in the market for a car.
same. if i was in the uk, I would definitely buy one of his cars
Even wearing a 'moschino hoodie, really?
Yeh he is a honest salesman I would buy off him or work with him. Shame he is very far from me
guys like him boost about how good they are but after you by a car i would like to see how he reacts i bet he tells you to piss off i am a master mechanic trained by BMW MUNICH he is to slippery for me
Agreed. For me the only type of salesman I'd trust
My first RR was a 2011 L322. I absolutely loved that truck. I had it for 3 years, babied it and traded it in on a new one. One of the things I really loved about the interior was the piping on the seats. It added that certain class look . On my fifth RR now. Like you I love the brand.
Next video: "I bought a cheap Boeing 737 Max, still lots of life left in it"
😂 we know the common faults now don’t we?
@@COMMANDERFOX31 ezy wouldn't touch it ha. More a tui bird.
Just wants a nice clean this.
Doesnt fly but not too bad for a 10 year old plane
* "loads of life"
I prefer the older style Range Rovers, the more recent ones are trying to hard to be modern and techy.
I wonder if the 2012 Continental tyre was originally the spare. That would explain why it’s the only premium tyre, and also why such an old tyre still appears to be in good condition.
I think you’re right
I think you're right detective
The spare was a pirelli like the rear left one, so at some point the rear right got changed
@@robinl.7948 this stirs up the curiosity!
I don’t believe that a tyre from 2012 would have lasted that long on a high-mileage car, so I wonder if the wheel has been replaced, and that one is off another lower mileage car.
@@andyrobertshaw9120 One of life's small, insignificant mysteries that we may never know
The L322s maintain an aura of power and prestige, no wonder Her Majestys favourite was her 2006 L322.
Age and value attach have no impact on certain cars...they rise above such middle class nonsense...the same could be said about the Bentley Turbo R.
Hi Matt. Must admit - if I lived back in the UK, I would be banging on your door to buy this. As you might recall from previous comments, I live in Qatar and own both a 2008 4.4 V8 LR3 HSE and a 2012 5.0 V8 Supercharged Sport. Love them both. I couldn't agree more about keeping a budget aside for looking after them - I set aside a notional QR 2000-00 (about 400 GBP) a month for non-service repairs - most months neither of them need anything but then when they do, I am not losing sleep over repair costs. And I only use a specialist independent LR service chap who actually knows how to look after these cars. At the end of the day, even if they are 'good value' second hand, they were still expensive cars new and they remain expensive cars to service and repair. This needs to be remembered. Great video on a great vehicle.
Did you say you set 400GBP aside every month??? You can pay a mortgage with that cash. I Guess I can't afford that much on just a car. Lovely car though, It must drive like a dream
@@javigar133 Hi there - thats what I keep aside as a 'monthly budget' for both the LR3 and RR Sport - that's not what I actually spend every month. And thats for 2no cars. Yes - I guess it does sound a lot if you consider it, but then if I don't spend anything for 6 or 7 months or longer, then the budget doesn't get used and I am no worse (and indeed better) off. Look at it another way - I could quite easily spend that amount of money (and way more) every month financing the purchase of a newer car of similar type (how much is finance on a new/newer Range Rover?) or use my savings to simply pay outright both of which would cost me money. The money I have budgeted to spend but haven't spent sits in an interest bearing account and I have 2no nicer older Land/Range Rovers that I enjoy without financial burden.
You must be either be mad or extremely wealthy with a love for driving a big van on air suspension with a big engine.
@@coops1964 Morning and thanks for taking the time to reply. Answers to you suggestions are a) arguably mad according to my wife; b) not wealthy by Qatar standards c) while my LR3 and RRS may have air suspension and relatively big V8 engines (by some standards), they are definitely NOT vans!! Perhaps you have never driven either - if you had you would realise this. However, by comparison to other 4x4s here in Qatar (Land Cruiser 5.7 V8, Mercedes G63, Ford Raptors, Chevy Tahoe, etc.) 4.4 V8 and 5.0 V8 are not particularly big and with petrol at the equivalent of 45p/litre it doesnt matter that much anyway. Ohh - by the way - we also own a Ford Expedition with a 5.4 V8 too.
@@sportster883able I follow your logic, I won't ever buy a brand new car due to criminal depreciation, but budgeting 400GBP per month just for potential repairs is, maddening to me. I agree there is something special about Rangel Rovers, I should test one, but there is this brand, Lexus, that offers a superb driving experience without breaking the bank on repair bills. Matter of taste, prioritise and, of course, disposable income I guess
Has anyone put two and two together yet about this Range Rover L322 the original number plate said SAW what is short for Stock Aitken Waterman and in the CD changer was Rick Astley CD.
Completely agree on selling it. I sold a RRS tdv8 I tried my best not to sell it to a guy that had come out of a lease car. It was cheap and I said beware that at any point it could need something. A few months later a turbo failed and he sold it for nothing because he didn’t want to spend the money fixing it. It was daft everything else was spot on with the car
Yes exactly. It’s a tale as old as time
Tried my best to convince him not to buy it unless he had money saved and prepared to spend it
That’s the trouble. Spending 9 grand on most other stuff it Doesn’t need a couple
Of grand a year float for problems.
It’s just not a viable car when it gets on abit.
24 mpg urban from a
Diesel, well documented unreliability.
Credit crunch and Xmas here.
Your hoping that someone who likes them will buy it.
As opposed to something that has more mass appeal flying off the pitch.
Avoid at all costs
Simply love how you really get into the small details of 'making' a car perfect, like the filler cap. Could've been something I'd done. Keep up the great content!
After 30 years of Landrover / Range Rover ownership it’s always great to see that you’re an enthusiast and do what’s necessary to save the car and get it working as it should. I’m always put right off a vehicle if a seller, including LR main dealers, who do the absolute minimum, even trying to sell them with mixed tyres. The interior looked good on that one, I’ve seen quite a few L322s with well worn controls which never gives a good impression. I’ve just had to buy a rear light for my L405 (wife borrowed car…) £330 online and around £600 from the dealer. Never cheap. Keep up the good work!
Great looking car and much as I would love it, I could not afford the upkeep, but you have done a great job and your enthusiasm and attention to detail to bring this classic sample of British engineering back to life is commendable, well done, good luck with the sale.
The most interesting and informative 31 minutes and 10 seconds of TH-cam video I've watched in ages. I felt like I had been involved in the process from start to finish. Thanks for taking the time to post these uploads.
Thanks for watching
Love the honesty of this guy! People expect to buy a car for 10% of it’s new price and run it like it’s a Peugeot 206.
Haha exactly
I wasn't sure if you were going down the cheap brushup option or the fully restore and make it a mint example and glad you went for option 2. Looks great Matt. Also suprised that a cheap 10 year old range rover was cheap due to bodywork neglect rather than serious mechanical issues, seems like a role reversal 😂
Worth every penny for the Rick Astley CD alone mate😀👍
Before the spruce up, it really was as good as you could ask for it to be at that price. After the spruce up it's 💯👌🏻 Great looking car, and still a bargain for the sensible, realistic buyer.
Honest businessman becoming a successful youtuber. Man i am follower since 20k follower it is so nice to see you are over 200k :)
Thanks!
Very sensible advice regarding set aside money. Which is why I'm on my second faultless Toyota Landcruiser.
You must be the only car dealer in the UK who would spend 50% of the car's current value on repairs and upgrades. Massive respect mate !
Agreed.....In the UK the difference between trade and retail prices are significant....That is partly to allow for typical costs to prep to remail standard. Unfortunately there are wide variations as to what prep work is done by some traders. Some wil do very little more than a supermarket car wash/vac & a maybe a source a dodgy MOT then advertise for a significant margin maybe hiding behind a chocolate teapot warranty and not answering calls if the sold car has issues.
Fair play to this guy
@@AW8UKLike High Peak Auto's, Check his Google reviews 😂
Hi Matt, yet another cracking video on an exceptional car. Your comments are honest and you explain things and costs right down to the last penny. Your advice about running costs, servicing etc are absolutely spot on. Great video Matt and a great channel.
Thanks
@@HighPeakAutos you have done a great job I agree with the window tint and cheep tyres. Great content as always.
@@mattlawton4715 Personally, I love the window tint and it was very subtle in the front so it might have been better to let the new owner decide for themselves. It also protects against skin cancer which isn't often mentioned.
Your advice of keeping an extra 4k when buying a used Land Rover was the best thing ever. After purchasing my 2013 Freelander 2 I had to spent money on these things: cambelt and clutch replacement, 2 door locks failed, boot lock failed and a full service. It wasn't cheap but at least I was prepared. Anyway, whenever I drive the car I forget about maintenance as I cannot imagine driving something else. They are the best cars ever!
The best cars don't have 3 different locks break especially when under 10 years old.
Keeping an extra 4K when buying a Land Rover is perhaps the biggest indication not to buy one. They deserve their bad rep and reek of people valuing status and image over others being a decent reliable car
@@dilan4123 You got that right, it's status, the average person buying one lives to regret it, overpriced, poor quality money pit.
But! ok if you are royalty, government, sports star or big company nob and it is bought and maintained by someone else..
You have Stockholm syndrome!!!! these cars are conical piles of shite, money pits !!!!!!
The best cars don't require a dedicated 4k emergency budget for catastrophic faults... They're absolute TOTAL shite in every single measure
I had from new the last of the 3ltr Vogue , 2006 ( latr model same yr 3,6 ) with side steps & 20 inch wheels for 10 yrs
Just looking at this wants to make me 😢😢😢😢 that model still exudes style & comfort & safety ,it will never go out of Fashion ,,! Lovely Honest presentation by you as someone to be TRUSTED
I don't think there is ever a cheap rangey unless you're either very lucky or a mechanic with OCD.
Normally within a long run, 3 months or heavy foot you can soon build up a list of issues !
Part worns all round ...god knows what the latest service really looked like after 95k .....eBay oil oil and slick 50 ....😂
I do however as per wish you well and I'm sure you'll have it looking and driving as it should 👍🏻🙏
Been watching your videos for years…huge fan of anything Land Rover, but your totally right , my grandad once said to be never buy a land rover you couldn’t comfortably buy twice, at least older one. They have to be looked after. Keep up the great content Matt!
Got to love the Range Rover. I had a 2006 Vogue SE supercharged, I sold it when I got my company car, I still miss it.
Land Rovers remain the greatest 4 x 4s by far.
That’s a different watch you are wearing from last video with your Mercedes! 🤔
I think the thing with tyres is that the garages might tell people to always have 2 of the same on each axle, but folk are mostly indifferent when they don’t understand the consequences of having different tyres. Grip, safety and drivability is not a concern here in the U.K., unless one is a petrol head!🤷🏻♂️
I've driven one of these to London & back in a day (470 miles) on one tank of fuel & I wasn't tired afterwards. 3 months later I bought a 2014 L450 V8 diesel which I still own & have vowed to never sell.
This is the sort of thing that is probably worth considering as a candidate for my 'mostly parked up, 1500 miles a year' replacement for my Freelander. Another great vid, thanks
It's the paying £630 a year VED for a weekend car that stops me
You really cannot run a Range Rover or any of exclusive car like this on a budget, I’ve always made sure that if I buy a car I’ll look after it and I feel like some people don’t understand that if you don’t ‘love’ the car then it won’t ‘love’ you back.
The steps could be a simple clean/ grease fix. My 2009 3.6tdv8 Westminster has them and if anything is caught, even a small grit, it will not pull back in.
Also scared me on the headline... £6k... thought mine had lost so much value 😟. Thankfully you clarified when fixed.
At least it was a spare wheel in the well, and not a corpse. Not a bad effort for what you spent. There will definitely be someone out there who is hunting for this spec.
i was expecting a scare in there, no corpse is always a good thing in a used car 😉
I smiled when you confirmed the A/C was working. I have never bought a car with broken A/C as it's never 'just' a recharge. It's usually an expensive compressor, condenser, or both!
Exactly! It’s rarely just a gas
Great video as always. Amazing how much difference mileage makes to used values. You mentioned retailing the L322 around the £13k mark, for the same model and year with 70k miles you'd be looking £17k+
Like anything else in sales, it's all about finding the market. The best thing you can do with this is to park it up outside Broadmoor with a 'for sale' sign in the window.
Experience in this kind of car helps and boosts the confidence in buying.. great results as always!! 👍🏻
To be honest at this spec of car would not worry too much about a few dints and scrapes it’s the engine gear box and suspension condition/service history that’s important. Great car for running around Europe in. Nice buy looking forward to what you do to it.
Looks like he’s now sold it as it has been taxed from 1 November.
Always love these videos where we see the end result. I actually prefer the front door windows tinted if the rear section has the factory tint. I just don't like the half-tinted look. If the back section isn't factory tinted I don't tint at all. First thing I did when I bought my Touareg was tint the front door windows to match the rest. Cheers.
There is something special about a RR , that once you've had one you simply ignore all the problems that you might have . You'll always have a RR !! like you I also have a L405 but also a P38 and even though I use other cars there's always something special about driving around in a Range Rover
Love the 322, and always thought the Westminster was a lovely spec!
If you need bits like replacement filler caps or straps, give Powerful UK a look.
Good guys, sensibly priced parts (OEM and aftermarket) - useful for older models! (And I'm not affiliated to them in anyway!)
I like that you're checking out tyres now. Trust the date code it tells a story, the fronts are cheap but match, I think the rears were matching Pirellis but one of them got low on tread depth or otherwise damaged so was replaced by the spare wheel which would be the 2012 Continental you found, a date matching the build date of the vehicle. So maybe the tyre story wasn't as bad as it first appeared. MOT history shows a ton of tyre issues so it all checks out! A quick check of the private plate shows that particular owner likes Land Rovers and bought another, good service history while they had it. Looks like a really good buy and you did a cracking job with it, this is how cars should be sold, you're setting a great example.
Should be a detective mate.
😂“You don’t want to find duct tape and a sheet in a car you’ve just bought”😂 couldn’t stop laughing when you said that. Indeed you don’t.
Creepy find 🤣🤣
I once bought a Ford Scorpio 4x4 Ghia from an Auction and when I finally got it home, discovered a pick axe handle and 2 ski masks in the boot. GULP!
That's a question Matt what's the worst and best thing you've ever found in a car?
I actually found a shovel, duct tape, and a couple of blankets from an old Ford Focus I bought! And those weren't there when I was inspecting the car. Had to contact the owner since it scared me a little.
I’m not a big fan of the RR but I’d happily drive that…
I purchased a 2011 tdv8 4.4 se Vogue: It cost me 10 k, I immediately had all fluids replaced, full service, new brake pipes all round. (heavily corroded). Its in dark metallic grey and its fabulous, I budgeted 5k for services problems etc. So far I have spent just over 2k but its so worth it! Its a nice example that has never towed and taking one of your pointers I switched the radio on ...Classic FM! Back of the net :) I bet all salesman are now consciously tuning the radios to a more mature station to give a particular impression. The thing is, its a car, it will go wrong, like anything mechanical. The trick is, maintain it! Fix everything when its faulty and the experience will be fab. Leave one problem to accelerate to 4 or 5 and you are done.
Excellent advice, Matt. And, right off the bat, whoever buys it will need to get a 2nd key for it. Can't imagine that'll be cheap. Even on non-luxury cars from non-luxury brands, that's very pricey. Just peace of mind, really. One key, anything happens to it, you're screwed.
Good point, but one way of getting a genuine replacement for next to nothing is check the insurance policy. A lot of insurers include key cover as part of a comprehensive policy or for an extra fee (usual quite small, under 20 quid or so). Claiming on that should not burst a NCB either. It is a bit cheeky and depends where you sit on the morals of it. but as the car would've originally had 2 then as the new owner you could say it is definitely lost! I've never done it myself but i always knew it was available on any policies I've had. I made my own for my old E46 M3 a few years ago by ordering a new style blank fob/blade and using a cheap Ak90+ programmer to extract the cars data from the immobiliser unit and write it to the new one. Saved near 200 quid by not paying BMW to ship one from germany. Couldn't believe how easy the whole process was.
@@sarcastixx74 yep friend did this when he got his discovery.
Doesn't that report say it changed from PX12FBC to SAW784 in 2015... PX is the initial letters for cars sold in Cumbria and Carlisle.
Loved it - Great adventure saving what was and now still is a wonderful machine.
Owning any Land Rover is a labour of love but so worth it! Having a Discovery 3 Metropolis(250 made) 240k on the clock and never misses a beat on and off road, thankfully have a mate that runs a LR 4x4 garage😉 Great content Matt👌
Since I've started watching your videos I've absolutely fallen in love with these Range Rovers. In the past I've never even thought about them, but now I keep finding myself constantly desiring one. Hopefully I'll be able to get a nice one in the next couple of years 🙌
Thanks as always for the great video, really appreciate your work.
I feel the same as you, and I can’t stop myself watching the Range Rover videos. My heart wants one but my head tells me NO. It’s killing me.
@@stevet5248 Don't, they are always driven by fat bald men with wives with daft lips thinking they are flash in a 3 grand money pit.
The rear tyres were matching until the spare tyre had been fitted! Explaining the 2012 date on the tyre. Pirelli one side and a Pirelli in the boot
You just couldn't make it even few months without L322...
I never turn one down
Hi Matt great content as always
I actually have one 2012 Westminster L322 my alarm keeps going of running battery down Land Rover did a diagnostic on it said faulty passenger & Drivers door locks ? Would you know if this is common fault on them appreciate any info
I love the way Matt genuinely cares for these cars, I’d really feel safe buying one from him as I know he wouldn’t have skimped on it.
Another one saved Matt! 😀 good job, I love this series of Land Rovers. There goes Rick Astley! That made me laugh out loud 😂
The best thing about these old Range Rovers is that they can be found in either a stunning estate or in poor council housing. It's like the British version of an old Escalade.
That old navarra still keeping the parking bay warm
😂
I really like how you have the beginning and conclusion in the same video, nice change from other channels
Very very rare and great find Matt!
i knew you would buy an L322 Westminster one day!
I love how honest you are Matt! :D
The L322 is (with the exception of the original 2 door) my favourite Range Rover! It's Gorgeous!
As a Range Rover lover I can appreciate the TLC you’ve given to this baby. I needed it. And you’re right, it’s a real shame that it wasn’t loved by the previous owner. It looks sounds and I’m sure drives great now.
However... as much as I would like to buy one, I can’t give 12Gs for a car with 137K on the clock.
It would be £20k with half the miles
You DO realise you have set a world first here: you are the first person in history to get Rickrolled when buying a Range Rover.
I love it when you're checking tyres - always makes me smile 🤗
All fit for you and your mate Zelenskyy and Kamala to take Joe to the care home! Nice one 👍
Those guys who do dent removal are magicians. Recently had a tiny pin head size dent removed. Couldn't believe it after the chap did it. Couldn't see where it had been. Worth their weight in gold. Not a bad buy for £6000. As usual you have done a brilliant job on sorting it. 👍🙂 One of our local near do wells runs one of these. It looks very unloved. As you say you can't run these on a shoe string. 🤔🤔
Very wise words from HPA regarding not just buying the vehicle, but having deep enough pockets to keep it correctly maintained. As ever, excellent informative video.
I really appreciate these videos - I have always loved the design and look of the Range Rovers and am now considering a lightly used Sport. I look after my vehicles and while it seems there is a reputation for unreliability, many of the issues won’t leave you stranded. I’m a Brit in San Diego and currently visiting the UK and seeing sooo many Range Rovers, Discoveries and such. Subscription earned!
Money well spent, someone will be very happy with this. I really enjoyed you stepping us through your diagnosis and recovery outcome. Glad to see your daily driver is an AB, much more civilised, but you should try to get your hands (or your head) on the pillow pack. I think I paid £360 to get an extra pair for the fronts, so not cheap, but they’re a comfort game-changer, thank me later.
Agree on removing the sidesteps, those things always fail eventually. You did a great job on this one, I'd happily pay 12k for it
I love your brutal honesty. It's is actually refreshing. Sometimes I binge watch your videos for more insight into these cars m some of which I have driven Iver the years.
I appreciate that!
I've never understood the attraction of buying a vehicle with tremendous off-road abilities, which of course you pay for in transmission complication and expense together with higher fuel consumption due to extra transmission friction losses, when the only time it will ever go off-road is when the MOT is due and it goes on the garage ramp!
£12k is bang on the money buddy, if I had the space and the cash, I wouldn't hesitate, the body shop bill was a bargain, you should tag them in your videos and pump some work their way 👍
Honestly, all of these RR videos you make, just makes me want to buy L322 more and more.
Hopefully i will find a proper one this month and can be a proud owner :)
Go for it
I drive a RR 4.4 V8 Vogue same model. Your comment about needing a RR rainy day pot is spot on, it should have at least £3k in it, with money elsewhere to immediately top it up when needed! Lovely to drive though😊
Hey, man. Cool video, like always.
You are the reason why I bought a L405 Vogue 2018 with 65k miles on it. Even if i had to put 5k on wheels, breaks, fluids and filter changes, it is the best decision i've I took. There is absolutely no car that can match it. (We have a BMW x5 2020 and a Volvo XC90 2021 in our family - they feel like toys in comparison).
So, thanks and kudos for your channel.
Great transformation ! It's still a car to arrive in - looks great ! I'm reading that in the US, car dealers are playing hot potato with used G-Wagons as the bottom falls out of the used car market. Is that happening there in the UK for similar blingy expensive things bought in the last 3 years ?
Cracking video yet again sir!,
Well saved. One owner away from the scrap yard I reckon. Saved and turned around just at the right time of its life.
These videos on older cars are the best (I know I always say that...but they are!). I'm not someone who's ever owned a new car...or even a car less than 5 years old...so I enjoy this sort of thing alot more than videos about brand new cars. Also the fact that you ARE Fernando Partridge makes these videos unmissable for me!
Love watching your stuff, you get some really nice detail into your videos.
It was watching your video about the 5.0 L322 that convinced me to buy one. It's amazing what a bad rep these get, mostly from being poorly maintained. Not sure why people are surprised they are expensive to run, given their complexity and cost when new. The previous owner of mine spent the better part of 20k on it in the last two years, including a replacement motor, and it's still needed replacement front bags, rear shocks, rear wiper arm (fixed the leaking gasket in the motor), brakes, rear toe arms and eccentric bolts to bring it up to scratch. I don't know what else you can get for sub 20k that's as good (and versatile) a motor though. I actually found the cost of parts fairly priced when I've done work myself. Seems to be the "premium RR" labour rates that drive the bills up looking through it's history.
I totally agree
I’m on my 2nd Yeti , 26 years in the motortrade and owned proberly 100’s of cars from Skoda / VW / BMW I can safely say the yeti is by far the best out them all especially on build quality and reliability
It's the same for the Discovery 3 and 4. They are now cheap so most people can buy them but few who do realise wha it costs to run them. I've owned 2 D3 and D4 and you've really got to love LR and be prepared to fork out to keep them in good fettle. Great to see your honesty and pragmatism about these beasties.
You just saved me from going for 12 y.o. RR not fully prep. Worth noting an extra £3K in pocket just in case 😊 Cheers mate, appreciate your brutal honesty
I agree with you about the side steps - they look naff and when getting in or out the car, you don't know whether to use them by stepping on them or stepping over them then getting your trousers dirty. Nice looking car though and your comments about on going maintenance costs are so true. People need to purchase one of these with their eyes wide open and try not to look like a poseur.
Had the pleasure of a Range Rover 400e Vogue this week. While it wasn’t the fastest car in the world, I was amazed to see it was a 2ltr Petrol plug in hybrid, that gave loads more oomph! I might be a Range Rover convert. Been using Land Rover Disco’s for years….
A classic HPA RR vlog. I'm awarding a 9/10 for 'that' Matt look which always follows the "X Months Later" graphic. You know that one where, yet again, you realise that all your early optimism about rescuing another abused and unloved Range Rover and re-homing it whilst turning a tidy profit has turned to ash........ 🙂
The Finished product looked sharp. Credit to everyone who worked on it. Even the skilled technician who installed the new wheel badges
As a used RRL322 owner fully enjoyed your video you are spot on had two late 2010and 2012s once you get them right they are great as you said set aside a couple of grand a year and you would not want a better car👍
Great find. Glad you saved it. I thought for a moment you'd keep it, but you have to make money. The love for Range Rovers is evident here
From CD collection, most appropriate track - Rick Astley - Never Gonna Give You Up...1-2-3 "Never gonna give you up, never gonna play dodgy CD sounds, never gonna run you into-the-ground, and not service you. Never gonna scrape your drivers-side, and crack your rear light, never gonna look at the service guide and ignore it" *Takes a bow
I’ve got a brilliant 2015 tdv8 4.4 bought two years ago with 40k miles,
I’ve done around 20k miles in 2 years kept it serviced and well looked after.
It still has cost me around £15,000 maybe a tad more over the 2 years in general maintaince and a few issues like oil housing and coolant housing leaks, air suspension fault etc these bills certainly do add up!
Coolant pipes cost a fortune and seem to need placing very so often etc
If you’re buying one of these you really do need to know that keeping up to the maintaince is going to cost you and you have to be willing to pay to keep the maintaince up.
I’ve done suspension bushes too and that’s not cheap will probably need doing in the next MOT
Great advice! I have always gone the same way as most used vehicles need a bit of spending to get them up to par. I over budget on my maintenance costs.
Hi Matt, This is Chris in Canada. Another great video. As I am heading over to the UK in April for a 3_week tour with my elderly mother, I found this video very useful in helping me make my choice for the tour. It is this or a 1985 Rolls-Royce Silver Spirit.
I was today years old when I learned that if the 2nd letter is X, it’s had private reg from new.
Love little nuggets of info like this 👍🏻
The Hyundai Matrix was the best car l have ever used for the family,its driving position was brilliant, it managed to handle 8 trips from Derbyshire to Cornwall with ease.I then gave it to my son who used it daily and for his holidays it was scrapped this year because of the rust, it never broke down and was a much loved family runaround. Now l will make you laugh as l purchased the top of the range Nissan which is your second car you don't like. Finally l love watching purchase and have fun with all of your cars plus the overspends,good videos l wish you luck.
Dude why don’t you buy parts yourself online and do some labour like remove the steps etc yourself? You could save heaps more and it would honestly be more interesting.
I dont have the time. I work 7 days a week as it is and still dont have time for my commitments
"The first time an engine light pops on this, they'll soil themselves", love it!
Followed your advice and used carvertical to do a check on 2 Saabs identified as a possible. One had outstanding finance. So that made my decision to go for the Saab that was clean. I'm impressed Thankyou
What an amazing turn around for such a beautiful car - totally worth spending the money. I have been toying with chopping mine in for a cheap Ford Kuga over the past few months because I just don’t use it that much any more, However, watching this video made me realise just how much I’d miss it. So rather than losing tons of money by trading it in and getting a crappy Ford, I’ve decided to take mine out and spend what money I’d have lost changing cars on the L322 ( also a 4.4 TDV8 ) and treat it to some decent maintenance. I always used to be super diligent and ‘money no object ‘ with it, but since covid hit, I’ve kinda neglected it a little. Thanks for re-igniting my passion and enthusiasm for them. Just shows what can be done with a little TLC
Brilliant video Matt. I think that the ending killed it. It's so important to be real when running a car like this. 👍
You’ve got to be. No point kidding yourself
@@HighPeakAutos,absolutely. You know your stuff. 👍
Great video as always. Amazing how much difference mileage makes to used values. Love the L322.
Rewarding Rewatching this 8 months later after release and 584k views. Great video Matt and a lovely motor. Love Rangey videos 👌
They’re just classy. Another video I’m re-re-watching again third time in last few months in cold Blighty and enjoying Matt. 👌👏😉
I agree the tint doesn't look great. However, the spots a visor doesn't block the sun override the aesthetic.