Debunking Araki Forgot: Part 3 - Stardust Crusaders
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Joseph is defined by cheating:
Cheating in fights
Cheating at games
Cheating death
Cheating on his wife
He also somehow convinced her to help him raise the invisible baby, he found by the side of the road.
For with DIO's blood in him, he gained an inkling of Charisma
@@ripleyjlawman.3162 an invisible baby, you could argue, *araki forgot*
Cheating on cheating
@@omair5481
Araki does forget, it just so happens the things people get hung up on aren't. The dude is talented at pulling nonsense out of his rear end and weaving it into his story in a decent way, if anyone else did what he does they'd be thrown on the street.
When I was first watched Stardust Crusaders. I just thought Jotaro and DIO were flying and I said “it’s JoJo so I’ll just go with it”
Yeah i have a theory for that i think they used they’re stands to jump up lightly but strongly time it makes sense because the raw power of SP and TW.
Your a genius my guy! :)
Wi11ow 8 thanks
I like to think they we're just getting pulled up by they're stands, like during the fight with the weird yellow goop guy Jotaro jumps onto a water tower and when he doesn't make it he literally uses star platinum to grab onto it and then he's just pulled towards his stand so I just though "hey same principle"
*Stands can grab and move physical objects, including their users
*Stands can fly
*Polnareff did this with Chariot in his first fight
*Stands can occupy the same space as physical objects
*Stands can still interact and use their abilities while they are "Put away" inside their users
*Stands can fly while attaching themselves to their users bodies
*Ice more or less does this with Cream
It would honestly be stanger if Stand Users with ethereal stands couldn't fly!
Also, there are not many fights were movement of that type was all that important, the major exception (in Part 3) being Geb, which I accept as it being an advanced technique that Jotaro hadn't figured out yet.
Well, Kakyoin himself said that he never met a stand user before DIO, so it's clear as day nobody ever deflected the emerald splash before
Damn so that boy emerald splash'd some kids then?
@@AbsoluteUnit333 Makes me wonder how deadly Emerald Splash actually is.
We see at first that Emerald Splash literally ripped a hole into Star Platinum's chest, so I wonder what it'd do to just a regular guy.
@@ctrlaltrepeat245meat cubes
@@ctrlaltrepeat245they'd be dead as hell
He had probably tested his abilities on some targets and was way too confident in how it annihilated them.
Mfs really thought kakyoin had time to setup a whole art studio while fighting dio 💀💀💀
“hey um can you stand still for like 5 minutes”
*paints dio*
“what the fuck are you doing”
holly would die by the time kakyoin finishes the dio painting
No but why would he even draw jotaro in the first place?😭 So dramatic for what, kakyoin?
@@blingus_ yea, if anything, he just made himself more suspicious
I mean, the fact he painted in general and broke Jotaros leg with no reasoning behind the painting would lead most people to believe that he could paint dangerously
@@You-are-definitely-right-but his schoolmates would just think that he has a really obsessive crush on jotaro 💀
The painting was just kakyoin being dramatic
even when mind controlled he was still dramatic as always
Only thing I don't understand is, when Jotaro punches the shit out of Kakyoin as a beatdown, why did the doll just fly up for no reason? I doubt it was the air pressure, and Kakyoin and Jotaro most definitely didn't go out of their way to destroy it.
@@EliteSurvive he punched the doll too
Griffinlovesmemez uwu
Oi, cherry boy, do you mind if I punch your expensive as fuck doll? Cool.
Yup he's just beining a posh bitch
Araki forgot polnareff's eyebrows
This comment is underrated
There was official artwork of polnareff with eyebrows and its honestly terrifying
He must of shave to much then grow it back
xxxtentacion lmfao
I JUST NOW NOTICED HE DIDNT HAVE ANY :O
People thinking that deflecting Emerald Splash is a contradiction because Kakyoin said no one can do it is like thinking that a villain cannot be defeated because he said "Impossible! I can't be defeated!"
"Killet Queen has no weakness"
@@wingdinggaster6737 In today's episode of Diamond Is Unbreakable: Killer Queen has a weakness.
@@jusa297 "wait, that's illegal"
Literally! Loads of people love to pull up stuff Naruto says when he's a spastic 12 year old as if it's irrefutable fact for all time. Unfortunately jojo fans arent exclusive to this level of misunderstanding
but it can't be deflected, unless..
I GOT IT! DIO's Ability is to contradict reality!
This isn’t really on topic, I just find it funny that we have the stands The World and Star Platinum (named after the tarot for The Star) which are these humanoid, short ranged power type stands, but the stand The Sun is literally just a friggin sun.
Are ya winning Sun?
☀no
To be fair, we also thought that about Hermit Purple until Part 8
@@ICTON123 I believe that part 8 Hermit Purple is not the same as one from part 3.
In part 3 it had a hamon ability to see future
In part 8 it was moving in a different fashion, similar to a Ball Breaker spin, so it seems that Hermit Purple from part 8 was infused with spin, not hamon
Araki himself just thought it'd be funny if The Sun was as literal as it gets.
"Araki, what are the stands gonna look like?"
"Okay, so, you have the majority looking like humanoids, right? Then we have *looking around nervously* a car, a sun, some sand, water, the idea of magnetism, a sword, a shadow, literally just a bird, a fly, some goop, and a book. Oh, also two tentacle/vine like ones, but their different."
Remember when Araki forgot the ultimate being was immortal and invincible and gave Speedwagon a heart attack?
The only true Araki forgot
maximus fattus wait what? What are you talking about?
@@tboss9053 Speedwagon IS the ultimate being
@@tboss9053 bruh
Vincent Bushman yeah I know. Lol I read the post comment wrong and thought he meant Kars. It didn’t make sense at first. Lol
The idea of Erina surviving in the coffin with her husband's headless body underneath her disturbs me.
Jorge Joestar, the uncanon novel. had her keep his dismembered head with her so there's something that beats that
ERINA IS INSANE ZULOL
@@Lounqx0 Jorge*
Oh shit wait
I didnt realize that
because thats not really what was happening
The whole "Why didn't DIO make more chimeras" thing is extremely funny to me because like, genuinely, why would he?
Dio loved to experiment with his vampiric abilities. But the chimera zombies really weren't useful so he didn't make more of them, it's as simple as that.
Right like i know hes a creepy guy but id think the gross chimeras would get annoying quick
@@alexfc679 but they're goofy looking
He made Nukesaku so I guess that's one
Yeah they weren’t like powerful minions. All they did is look creepy and that’s it.
Like the only time this ability was ever useful was 2 times in the entire series. One Being he used this power to attach his own head to Jonathan’s body, and two when he used it to reattached vanilla ice’s head back onto his body after giving him the vampire blood.
I always thought the explanation of Joseph not using Hamon to stop aging was so that he could grow old with his (supposedly) true love in his wife, Suzi Q
That’s actually so sweet what
Or it would be, if HE WEREN’T A GOD DAMN CHEATER
@@seang7578 he cheats at death, he cheats at life, so of course, he cheats on his wife
That "supposedly" hurts my soul
@@seang7578 how is that cheating, neither he remember doing something like nor he knew about josuke, jotaro finds about it and then tell him about josuke
@@pinkzero281do you… know how babies are made?
A character in JoJo is only dead when the Narrator says so.
*laughs in Joseph*
Joseph: your next line is joseph is dead
narrator: Joseph is de..nani
Tfw when Joseph cheated death not once but twice!
Like Okuyasu not dying. Don’t think the narrator announced it.
Spoiler comment.....
That feel when you thought bucciarati and narancia survived when golden experience repairs them
Holly: *about to die*
Jotaro's dad: "She might be my wife, but sax is my life"
Jotaro does the same with dolphins
@ƘƲƦƬ Leave Sadao alone. Holly would be comatose in a motel had it not been for him.
Paul Hensley o
@ƘƲƦƬ n
@@katusakirocks5630 p
Plot Hole: Jotaro is the most popular guy in school, but he does not use this ability to amass a simp army and fight dio
That is not true
What good would a bunch of weak normal high school students do against Dio?
It's funny
@@khalilnevels8926 but DIO doesn't use Twitter???
@@donutlovingwerewolf8837 Damn the joke flew over your head like the twitter bird
Jotaro: extends his stands finger
Everyone: That's awesome why doesn't he use that more
Jojo fans when they casually forget extendo arm Hamon, and proceed to say extending two fingers by like 3 inches is overpowered
@@jadyndenys7736 Yeah, Star Finger is literally proven to be slower than Star Platinum’s punches
@@ctrlaltrepeat245 like they straight up forgot zoom punches exist then when they see a far shittier version they act like a monkey seeing street magic.
Jojo fans forgetting that Star Platinum has a range limit
@@detomnz2024 I mean technically he could just vacuum them into range to punch them, that'd be a lot more effective than trying to stick his extending fingers into a weak spot when shit's moving.
Remember when Jotaro told that kid he'd buy him another popsicle?
Probably did off screen.
Or Jotaro forgot?
Kory Fredrick you’re breaching a whole new level, maybe the characters themselves can forget
Tintin
Also that time Polnareff promised a kid the same after kicking sand in his eyes
When Joseph died his soul went to heaven, and Caesar and Kakyoin yeeted him back down to earth
Lol so did erena, i really felt it when Joseph said "I am taking that body back to granny erina" to to dio
I am superior
@@reroman3950 It's a _face-off_
@@caustic9947 get ur cherries ready
Cuz this will be your LAST donut
You guys don't mind if I watch your standoff, right?
You know I always thought that when kakyoin said "No can defeat the emerald splash" I believe kakyoin honestly thought that, due to him having his stand since elementary school and since he was always alone he never had anyone who could see heirophant green he just blaintently thought no one could block from gigantic crystals each about the size of a finger going what looks like is moving just under the speed of a bullet.
Nobody else can see the emeralds. Its part of the mystic world so ppl would just be hurt for no perceptive reason.
These “Araki forgot” moments are just “Fans forgot” moments
Or Fans absorbing information from youtube clips despite the fact that JoJo’s is FREE to watch on crunchyroll
@@ctrlaltrepeat245 or fans taking a joke too seriously
Change my mind
@@GorillaFan_32 or fan fast watching or read
I think its just the lack of clarity and detail in certain moments. A lot of these Araki Forgot explanations are like okay yeah i guess that makes sense... But the fact that someone other than the author has to explain (more like defend) it and that theres these moments that the majority of people are confused by in the first place speaks to something outside of everyone individually just happening to be stupid. If you go back and read past parts can you come up with an explanation in your head for why x thing happened? Sure, but it would be a lot better if the author had in the moment of x happening acknowledged it at all, instead of needing to make a fan theory for things every time.
"Why didn't they revive Kakyoin with Dio's blood?"
CHEST! HOLE!
I'm still confused though about how vampire blood works. Wouldn't the person who receives vampire blood be able to regenerate flesh similar to how Dio does? Or is that restricted to vampires like Dio who were made into vampires via the stone mask?
People think thats a plot hole??? Why do they think thats a plothole when they clearly saw how kakyoin die?!?!?
Kakyoin isn't a hamon user, he would be a vampire.
@@mikeymod3665 im not sure, but imo its a conscious act. considering how vanilla ice, even though he was a fresh vampire, did not heal any wounds he received, but kept on fighting, while during jotaro vs dio fight when polnareff ambushed dio and impaled his head, dio probably focused on that area and healed. not sure though, its just what i think and its probably flawed too.
@@pekonipoika7274 vanilla ice is more of zombie than a vampire DIO didnt use the mask on him and zombie like tarkus and bruford
Kakyoin said “no one can just deflect the emerald splash” because he never actually fought a real stand
Also every one is questing it like guys he said it one time and in his first ever fight
Emerald splash is unblockable, Dio had to stop time to deflect them and Jotaro has the same type of stand as Dio so that's how Jotaro deflected it.
Munchkitten :3 Jotaro didnt know how to stop time then
@@bootyannihilator4931 yes, but it might have been instinctive, in the fight with the N'doul you see the same visual effects that Dio gets when he stops time, so maybe Jotaro stopped time accidentally.
I was hoping someone else said it!! Thank you
The reason the stand was invisible in the scene of Star Platinum beating up the shark is because it was meant to represent what a non-stand user saw
yes, it's Anne's POV (idk if that's how u spell her name :v)
If you can understand the reasoning in that scene, you can understand why Hierophant Green was invisible when Kakyoin was first introduced. It was simply a way to build up anticipation of how much of a threat he'd be and what his powers are. Retrospectively, it's also a good thematic choice given Kakyoin's backstory.
@@sebastien-loikntsangou-kan5264 I thought it was just that Hierophant was busy being in ambush as monofillament wire because DIO-steered Kakyoin is one dramatic dude
I think the painting and puppet for Kakyoin could've simply been possessed Kakyoin keeping Jotaro guessing about his abilities
And just genuinely fucking with him.
With each enemy stand user acting odd, it could’ve been Possessed Kakyoin just screwing with jotaro.
Hell the puppet could be saying how the nurse his puppet.
Kakyoin: * shrinks stand * no one can deflect my 20 cm emerald blast
No one can feel my 2 inch pepe
Joseph JoeStalin ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
There's about I dunno 50 emeralds stuck in Joseph's head by now...
20 mm*
Wait if you shrink they rape a three year old would it count cause your -8 millimeters tall?
Star finger is common when Jotaro gets married.
And that's the technique he teached Jolyne aswell ;)
@@jack_snus
That is honestly pretty disturbing.
@@jack_snus *NO NO NO*
@@jack_snus Yes officer, this comment right here
@@jack_snus I'm glad that Pucci reset the universe
I like the theory that the stuff Star Platinum brings to Jotaro is from the Police's confiscated merchandise room, that could be near the cells area. Makes sense to me.
6:18
Basically, Kakyoin understands you need to be dramatic while doing evil
y'know, even if kakyoin's painting thing WAS an ability, how the hell would he use it lmfao
**in middle of a fight**
kakyoin: wait, hold on, stand still.
**starts to paint the enemy**
Yeah. Even I knew my first time it was just symbolism, and his way of toying with Jotaro.
LMAOOO
I had that feeling. Like, how would he have any of the time to do so when facing off in a battle?
He would've been knocked out before the fight even began also yeah It was just used to show he audience the assasin
I’m your mama 100th like
Star Platinum: *Brings Jotaro beer, a boom box, and the latest issue of Shounen Jump*
Jotaro: It's an "evil spirit"
Star Platinum:
Star Platinum: "Well you're no *fucking prize* either."
Ora! (Translation BRUH!)
Shogun Acosta Oruh
.-.
Star Platinum: BUT JOTARO, I JUST READ ABOUT THIS KENSHIRO GUY, YOU GOTTA CHECK HIM OUT
HE GOES ALL YATATATTATATATATATAH AND PEOPLE EXPLODE BEFORE HIM!
I wanna do that!
I'm gonna make my own version of that, it'll sound like ORAORAORAORAORAORA!
and I'll blast people away with it, it'll be fuckin awesome!
Star Platinum wants to learn Za Warudo.
Star Platinum already knows 4 moves!
Should a move be forgotten to make space for Za Warudo?
1, 2 and… Poof.
Star Platnium forgot Star Finger and… Star Platinum learned Za Warudo
Damn, we need to find a Move Tutor and delete Mach Punch
4 Moves..?
Mf the most Star Platinum has done is extend his fingers and suck in air really hard.
Any Stand can suck in air, Jotaro was just the first guy to have a reason to do it.
@@ctrlaltrepeat245 what about Ora Ora Ora and Bring Jotaro Shit?
Move one- ora
Move 2- ora
Move 3- ora
Move four- za wardo
@@battlesheep2552 Bring Jotaro Shit is just Extremespeed
I think the reason Kakyoin said no one can deflect the emerald splash because at that point the only other person he met with a stand was DIO
Another thing: the star and the world in tarot reading have very similar meanings so fate already predicted that they would be similar stands
And the fact that Jotaro gained his stand as a result of Dio using the arrow
@@droidpenguin3648 and the fact that most joestar's stands has some kind of connection to each other Joseph and Holly have vine like stand and so does DIO or Jonathan's Passion stand. Most of the other Joestars has punching-ghost stand like Star Platinum,Stone Free,Gold Experience and Crazy Diamond all have powerful punches or have special effect when they throw their punches and so does The World with it's very powerful physique
Now this is one hell of a stretch
Also one of Jotaro's first actions is catching a bullet at point blank range. The same exact thing Dio did to find out his stand.
The World upright represents the culmination of a stage or aspect of one's life. Reversed it represents frustrating setbacks in achieving one's goals.
The Star represents the potential for growth from the combination of aspects present in your life already.
Source: I learned tarort because of Jojo
Edit: Now that I think about it, I got Temperance mixed up with the Star. The Star is more about a hopeful future.
plot twist: Kakyoin *did* have painting powers he just had art block. pray for Kakyoin.
If he actually had that as a power he would be way to op
Art block is the least of his problems
Dio proceeds to have his head chopped off allowing Johnathon’s body to release his spirit
😂
@@mikewzowske yeah
I find the significant possibility of dio being awake in the coffin at first hilarious
Dio: finally I have claimed Jonathans body, as soon as the sun goes down I'll be free to rule without any pesky joestars to get in my wa-
Erina: *sends the coffin back into the sea*
Dio: wait no-
😂😂
*mutahar laugh
There is a new video by Dankbidoof about Dio and the coffin
0:24 - DIO's coffin
2:55-Star Platinum bringing objects
3:35-Stand suffocation
4:20-Joseph's age
5:01- Dio's chimeras
5:23-Kakyoin's paintings
6:24-Hierophant's posession
7:28-No One Can Deflect The Emerald Splash
7:51-Hamon forgotten
8:20-Holly's weakness
9:28-Tarot names
10:00- Jonathan's Stand(""The Passion"")
10:57-Flesh buds
11:36-J. Guile umbrella
11:56-Anne
12:17- WHY DIDN'T JOTARO USE STAR FINGER TO FIX MY LOVELESS MARRIAGE?!
13:05-Stands can see?
13:27-Fake Kakyoin
13:52-Stand shrinking
14:26-DIO vs THE SUN
14:58-Polnareff's earrings
15:25-Joseph didn't use hamon during D'Arby fight
15:56-DIO's copy bY Iggy and Polnareff's mimicry
16:27-Silver Stripper
16:53-DIO doesn't use vampiric powers
17:39-DIO is a boomer
18:06-Final fight flying
18:35-So it's the same tYpe of stand?
19:46-Joseph's revival
I imagine that Ceasar and Kakyoin would be great friends
Because one got turned into a pancake and the other got turned into a donut?
Lol
Imagine the stories they could share
And don't forget to add Abbachio to the list
I'm just adding another comment because it had four replies.
Another thing about Joseph's soul leaving his body:
Bruford and Tarkus' souls returned to their bodies after being dead for 500 years, I'm pretty sure that Joseph's soul can return to his after being dead for 4 minutes.
It's the fact that they all were revived by vampire blood too
This is a misconseption imo, "Stands can't bring back the dead people" does not mean "the people can't go back by its own for reasons, fate and will to live" or "people can't return back from the dead using other powers".
In fact, all the time people got back from the eternal rest (apart from Tarkus and Bruford, they are zombies/vampires) it was not directly beacause of a stand power but beacause of their will to live and their possibility to come back in a healed body: Joseph had literally his heart restarted as a normal medical manouver, just with stands, Okuyasu was sent back by his brother in a completely functioning body and Bucciarati wasn't even that alive since he was no more than a spirit in a flesh golem doomed to start rotting in a bunch of months
Edit: DAYS, I totally forgot Bucciarati was rotting even during the manga!
@@7thson855 Months? He was rotting DAYS after Giorno revived him. Part 5 takes place over 8 days.
Also, souls can return in JoJo like when giorno slip back to his body after Narancia died like the girl of part 4 and like when Bruno decided not to.
@@Patchnose
Yeah, totally forgotten 😅
Edited!
I thought that Dio didn't come out of the coffin until a century later because:
1) He was stuck in the middle of the ocean. There aren't many places where he could have hid away from sunlight during the day. Better to wait until something happens.
2) Taking control of Jonathan's body took a REALLY long time. Dio simply was in no condition of escaping.
Yeah, not to mention dio had no way of telling time, esp if he was to deep
@@trhytuhtfyjutrfh The coffin's made of iron or reinforced with it, so less "he had no way of telling time" and more "he couldn't even get out if he WANTED to. The pressure at the bottom of the ocean would have been pushing in on the coffin from all sides and unless Dio wanted to check out if vampires can survive violent decompression (protip, that generally results in being turned into paste), he'd be stuck in there until something pulled him out.
We know araki didn’t forget stand shrinking because we see it again when moody blues is in the pipes of the boat during the soft machine fight
Yes.
that was more due to the fact moody blues takes on any property of the body its replicating, rather than stand shrinking. narancia body got smol, so moody blues got smol as well. thats it
It really sucks we didn’t get a scene of Kakyoin’s soul
That’s because his soul had to roam the earth to find another MILF Hunter
because he got reincarnated as Okuyasu.
He didn’t die
Because his soul didn't leave earth... th-cam.com/video/F33N1T5FFxI/w-d-xo.html
He didn't have one because he is a ginger
my favorite is when the answer to "well how/why could kakyoin ______" is "it's not a power he's just being dramatic"
kakyoin is forever the best boy rip
He would've been an artist if he had survived. Either a painter, a puppeteer, or just an actor.
@@cutecommie MILF hunter
This comment now has 1,000 likes.
that’s why we love him
The strangulation thing is actually easier to explain and makes perfect sense. When you're stand is affected by something, so are you. If your stand gets choked, your neck gets squeezed too. So even if the stand doesn't need air, strangling them still suffocated the user.
Something interesting about the "Dio having all stands" theory I realized:
Dio does not have every stand, of course, but he DOES have every stand of the joestar bloodline (at the time, because remember that Josuke and Giorno were not stand users during when Dio was alive). He had Star Platinum in the form of The World, since they have been shown to be the exact same stand. He has Hermit Purple, as seen through him using it multiple times. He also even has Holly's stand. During the D'arby the Player fight, when Kakyoin has the flashback with him first confronting Dio, we can see the thorny plant Stand around Dio and Kakyoin both in the anime and manga. People say that Araki has terrible memory, but in reality he's a genius with his story.
Didn't Josuke go through the same thing as Holly? so his stand was there, it just couldn't be controlled
@@MitruMesre potentially.
I will call Holly's stand Thorny path
@@level3personal690 I like it!
@@simochiothereal4382 thanks
I find the whole "whatever Dio touches in stopped time can move with him" thing kinda funny cause if this weren't true I'd imagine him unable to move due to his clothes
Ya know if that were the case he probably would never have discovered the ability unless he sometimes trained while naked
He'd use Goku weighted clothing.
Now I'm thinking about naked dio running around using time stop. I don't like that.
Then again, his clothes healed with his leg after it got cut off by a shard of glass, so who knows? Maybe it IS a part of him after all.
@@tranqle73 what if DIO's clothes are made out of his flesh.
Imagine if star platinum couldn’t stop time and it’s ability was to have two extendable fingers
And only those 2 fingers can move in DIO's stooped time
@@self-proclaimedanimator Amazing, write that down for Part 10
and can copy any stand by saying "So its the same type of stand as Star Platinum"
the world would just grab those fingers and snap them off
@@jujokotaro4177 I hate how people go around stating it as fact
Not saying you are, but there are people who actually think Star Platinum can copy abilities like Boy 2 Man can.
Given that Stands are basically people's souls, Dio having Jonathan's stand, the fact that Jonathan's body sending the signal was reffered to as a "him", and the fact that when people die in Jojo, their spirits can return to their bodies if they're healed but not completely dead, (like Joseph and temporarily Buccarati) I think Jonathan's spirit lived on inside Dio's body, sending the distress signal so that Dio can be stopped and that he and his family can finally rest in peace. And if this stand works like The Passion (it's variant in Jorge Joestar) but only for Jonathan, then it's possible he knew Dio was fated to die thanks to his signal.
I'll do you one better with if Jonathan's Stand works like in Jorge: he would have foreseen that Holy and Josuke (and, given the time period, probably also Haruno) would get sick from the distress signal giving Jotaro the power to defeat DIO, and set off a domino effect of Jotaro getting motivation to do it, AND Josuke and Giorno gaining enough experience with their Stands to be able to triumph over their own villains compared to if he made the distress signal more specific.
Forget Pucci being two steps ahead of Jotaro, _Jonathan_ was playing three steps ahead of the Heaven Plan itself by setting up this amazing RIPPLE EFFECT by making himself that first drop in the still pond of fate. His willpower flowed through the entire bloodline and made its way ALL THE WAY to Emporio (Jonathan > DIO > Joestars > Pucci > Weather > Emporio via Weather Report's DISC) and into the Ireneverse. One distress signal that not only set off a direct event to free his body from DIO's control, but retroactively hijacked the Heaven Plan to give _his descendants_ a good life rather than the tragedy that the Joestar bloodline had gone through.
I always wondered how the magnet trick even worked, since magnets couldn't move in stopped time. Because of this, I realized it's because the magnet was touching Dio and Jotaro.
Same lol
about the tarot cards:
imagine Jotaro saying: "this name sucks, i want to name my Stand Dark Destroyer Bloodfist!" when he draws his card.
I think he would name it Ocean Man
Lain no that is dark blue moon
Lain he would definitely do that if it was after part 4
@@Predator20357
Yeah.. Ocean Man is a 90's song and Jotaro was written in the 80's.
But i don't think his character would worked If he was only introduced in part 4.
Also it would be much better If DIO Stand was Holy diver, i mean his stand is literally a scuba diver 🤣
Jotaro turned into a marine biologist because he though DIO's race come from the ocean, i guess
bloodfist is what you call fisting gone horribly wrong
This series is just him saying “the jojo fandom is really stupid”
Most of us are here for the memes, and they expect a simple hilarous anime instead of well, JoJo
Mr Orange he’s not wrong
YES I AM
everyone knows that Jail house lock has already touched the JoJo series
I gone to JoJo for the memes, stayed for the memes and everything else.
For the record I think Joseph (part 3) honestly does look relatively young for his age
Right if you told me hes sposed to be 50 id be like ok, guess hes just graying fast. Hes still buff, tall, doesnt slouch, can run around etc. Very in shape considering his age
Hamon does keep Joseph relatively in shape for his age.
Sure he did not practice it for a while and hence did not age as well as Lisa Lisa or Will Zeppeli, but the positive effects of learning Hamon definitely still showed.
People really be like "Damn, something I don't like happened? Araki forgot!"
Part 1 & 2: 6 minutes long
Me: Huh, i guess these analysis are going to be nice and short
Part 3: *22 minutes long*
Me: _Oh, boy_
My guess part 4 maybe longer
well those parts are short compared to any other part in jojo, and most of the controversy comes from later parts
@@wilfridekoue1405 just two things from part 4 could be longer than this video
Yare yare
hoo boy...
“Two stands cannot have the same power!”
Darby brother: allow us to introduce ourselves
Jotaro and DIO: allow us to introduce ourselves
aren't they related by blood so probably have "similar" stands
@@breastmilkgaming Okuyasu and Keicho are brothers yet their stands are extremely different
@@M4x_P0w3r maybe because they used stand arrows and Darby bros are born stand users
@@breastmilkgaming Exactly what I thought
I realize this is a really old video and it’s silly to comment this now, but there’s something really chilling about Jonathan’s defiled undead body obtaining a stand because of Dio. It’s genuinely a zombie stand.
i think Kakyoins painting ability was just a way to tell heirophant green who and where to strike jotaro remotely.
So Dio/Jonathan’s corpse was literally hiding under Erina? That’s just creepy.
That's Dió ladies and gentlemen
"thats our Dio! he does things that normal ppl wouldn't dare do"
@@gyiuutomioka6565 hahaha wtf
Just remember that Dio turned a woman into a vampire who then ate her baby in part 1.
*Dio the Dickhead*
I think it was said when Dio first took Jonathan’s body he didn’t have full control over it so Elizabeth & Lisa Lisa was protected & Dio need Jostar blood to fully claim the body
I hate how people say
"Dio doesn't know what a car is, but knows what's a flight attendant"
Even though when he saw a car he referred to it as an "automobile" instead of "what is this?"
yeah some people take one-off scenes and take them way too seriously and yet somehow fail think about one certain stand user
Va.pires have high iq
@@mrfishman9016 stands weren’t introduced until p3
KARS
I think DIO reads books to understand some of them and travels the world
My question is, how could DIO use Jonathan's stand? He only has Jonathan's body, and if stands are connected to your consciousness, how did he use the stand if Jonathan is dead?
That creepy me out a little, imagine if Jonathan was fucking alive, or barely alive to the point where his souls was there with the stand
Think of it like doppio and diavolo they both share a body and use the same stand since doppio probably wasn't worthy back then he didn't get a stand but we know Jonathan's worthy so
@@outlawjack5811 Jonathan is dead though. His soul passed on. Doppio and Diavolo still shared the same body. This makes no sense.
@@kevinnigins9488 but heaven does exist in the jojo universe so when dio would get a stand Johnathan would to and take notice of his stand. He couldn't come back to defeat dio himself so he sent a signal to his desendents and it gave stands to the ones who were alive at the time. Being joseph joestar, Holly kujo ( a joestar) , jotaro kujo (of course a joestar) and josuke higasita (i spelled that wrong but his also a joestar)
same, that makes me confused. like its also scary the same time but like.. its more confusing
Fans thought they had outsmarted Araki but Araki had already outsmarted their outsmarting by predicting fans would try to outsmart him thus he outsmated them even before they thought about outsmarting Araki!
Small Brain: No oNe CaN jUsT DeFeLcT tHe EmErAld SpLaSh
Big Brain: Kakyoin had never fought other stand users until Jotaro and only met another stand user with Dio so he wouldn't be as good fighting against other stand users and with only 50 days and since he didn't have too many fights he wouldn't be able to master the emerald splash
he prolly DID master ES when he was aboutta die, he had that epic bizzare flamey aura!
Jotaro has an A in everything except range, emerald splash probably did work with weaker characters
Then I have a genuine question, isn't stand users suppose to always meet each other through fate? Or is it because morioh is already abundant with stand users
@@Chen-vw5nc morioh is super abundant with stand users, and stand users tend to atract eachother
You do realize that it’s a meme right? No one is actually criticizing araki for writing that
Im a little late but anyway. Kakyoin says “no one can just deflect the emerald splash” because he grew up without any friends or people with stands
I think I've heard that somewhere.
Iuuihi
You made me remember about kakyion, im now crying while typing this.
He meant that holly didnt miss the splashu
if kakyoin did have powers related to his paintings, it would take too long anyway to paint an enemy stand user that he met 2 minutes ago.
Good lord half of these claims can be summed up as:
"Remember when this character used this move to get out of a specific scenario and that scenario never came up again?"
Silly.
Great series so far!
I feel like Jotaro could’ve learned Hamon in like 5 seconds. He’ll be like “I’ve already figured it out. All I have to do is B R E A T H E.” He’d probably end up having a finishing move like Hamon Oradrive
Flash rex yeah I know that’s why it would be kind of like a joke thing I guess. Remember when he went against D’Arby and figured out how to play the game in like ten seconds? It would be something like that where he somehow, probably because he’s Jotaro, he nearly perfects his Hamon
@@mcguzzy03 Except it wasn't Jotaro who beat D'Arby at the game. Joseph used his Hermit Purple to use a controller. Jotaro was just bluffing.
I thought that was a typo
Dude if Jotaro could have learned Hamon, Dio wouldn't have stood a CHANCE. One good hit from SP would destroy him. Done and done.
"Gg i stole your move." "OH MY GOD!"
Also Holly is not the only character who got sick because of a stand
People often seem to forget about Josuke
Holly and josuke got sick but nobody went to help josuke just because the only person who really knew about her was joseph and he abandoned her. Oh I guess you'd forget about the person you busted your 67 year old nut in but not your daughter? So selfish.. could've at least helped his son.
@@flamrequiem But if I remember well, Joseph didn't know about the existence of Josuke
@@arnaurovirabach-esteve7660 could've probably at least checked up on josukes mom. He was literally sleeping with her and leaving without thinking she might get pregnant?
And holly's stand disappeared but josuke's didn't 🤷 can somebody explain??
@@samarrawal8341 Is it confirmed that Holly's Stand disappeared? Because if it is, I don't know what to say
when I die I want to be put in a coffin that not only padlocks itself, but also submerges itself underwater despite being buoyant enough to serve as a raft
15:48 yes, Handsome Squidward
I still use Star Finger, just for, uh, Different purposes
0_0
So jolynes mom was pretty happy, huh?
In theory, can you use star cock? Asking for a friend
Velocity Peasant what the hell is wrong with you
@@linkified0471 I ask myself that every time I get up
I like how people expect kakyoin to use his art powers on dio, Like what is he gonna do? Pull out a full on art set and perfectly draws dio?💀
"Hold up Dio. I know, we are fighting right now, but could you please stand still or a while? I want to use my art powers."
Draw a Clock lol
@Durgesh Mahindrakar U mean the barrier?
Maybe star platinum could draw it since he was able to draw the fly quicky.
Before he fights just pant him and boom you are not a donut anymore
Love it when people say "you can't disprove that araki forgot *insert topic here*" and you just effortlessly do so
lol
I refuse to Believe that Jonathan's stand isn't Speedwagon
“Part three has the most disinformation spread about it”
Jojolion: “allow me to introduce myself”
I was so innocent back then
For real, many people still believe Jobin is the main villian
I have a friend who still believes this
Hamon Beat Damn, there’s *that* much misinfo about JoJolion that it surpasses Stardust Crusaders?! Wow!
Hamon Beat Can you do a video about rock humans? I don’t really understand them tbh
@@triangulum8869 That may have to wait. They haven't really been fully explained in-universe so giving a rundown wouldn't be too effective at the moment.
*during a fight*
“Uhh lemme just”
*stands still*
‘Bro wtf you doing’
*stand becomes the size of a crumb*
‘how the fuck is that helpful’
Villain: imma kill you Kakyoin
Kakween: hold on a minute *starts painting the villain*
Villain: bruh
The crusaders: being killed by vanilla ice or dio
What the fandom thought would have them win:
Jotaro extending his finger
Dio: ZA- WARUDO! Tomare
Kakyoin: ...and red paint on the spirit photo... there.
Dio: Kono DIO ga! KONO DIO GA-! *explodes*
I do think there are some legitimate uses for this, especially for stands with a long range, or who’s ability might not be affected by size: koichis echoes act 2 for example, since its range is so far he could pull off some assasination type stuff, and fugos virus’s won’t lose effectiveness with size. Granted, you’d have to shrink your stand while hiding out of sight, then have it fly ever so slowly to your opponent, and idk if there were exact scenarios for koichi like that but I still think it’s useful
*step*
star platinum having timestop just makes sense tbh, it's supposed to be one of the fastest stands, and the endpoint of speed is being able to so fast you're able to move in the space between points of time, i.e. stopping it
I guess it is poetic in a way. The World's signature move is grinding time to a halt, but Star Platinum is so strong and fast that in short bursts, it can even exceed time itself
We see him using it minorly in the older dharby fight, when he got the drink out of nowhere.
it also makes sense from a tarot point of view, when we interpret the timestop ability as being properly named Star Platinum: The World. The Star is a card that means a journey and hope.
ALL the enemy Tarot stand users have their inverted meanings, as Tower of Grey spells out with his "accidents and end of a journey" spiel matching Tower inverted. The World inverted means an unaccomplished, unfinished or unattainable goal.
The World upright is a completed/achieved goal. With Star Platinum: The World, the journey is over and the goal is accomplished.
The Star was always going to reach The World.
There's a world of difference between having a super fast stand and having the ability to stop time. REALLY should have had a little bit more build up within the story itself.
You know, for an anime with the phrase “Bizarre Adventures” in its name, people nitpick a lot of the bizarre things that happen. Jus enjoy the craziness even if it makes no sense
17:40 How is this a plot hole?
Dio is literally just saying "Oh, Cars. *Cool.* "
I read this as "oh, kars. cool" and was thoroughly confused
Joseph: Wait a minute I seen this Kars before
Dio: Ah, back in my youth days, there were only wagon carried by horses. Now such wagon has machine more powerful and much faster. How time flies!
Fans: so you were saying that you never saw a car before, right? You never know what a car is, right?
@@derrilazkia1002 Then DIO breaks the driver's fucking arm and kills MARIO!
@@Densester but Mario came back. Too bad Black Sabbath had to kill him though.
The “Has Dio never seen a car before got me.”
You know whenever someone’s like ‘back in my day we had to use the phone book to contact people’
That. He’s literally doing just that, and people do this *daily.*
Plz fix the "s
@@Molten546 fix your OCD
HES A FUCKING BOOMER
Btw dio actually hasn’t seen cars before 1988
The part six flashbacks happen in 1988 still
Even if the sun stand could hurt Dio, him being able to seduce its user is not a plothole, that’s a character trait. Dio has a seductive personality, so much so he can even convince potential threats to him to serve him, if the sun would affect him like a real sun which like you said likely doesn’t. People for some reason can’t comprehend that characters had character traits, and the existence of said traits are not plotholes
its not even "araki forgot at this point"
its "stupid fans couldn't just pay attention to the show and forgot"
Times when “Araki forgot”
He actually forgot: 5%
People not paying attention to decently notable details: 95%
@@welshieranger4697 Yes, thank you!
Maroon Legend nah definitely not 5 percent araki forgets a lot
Araki does hv a lot instances of bad writing though. A lot of the debunking done in this video is basically giving araki and the show the benefit of a doubt instead of concrete evidence
@@makchot3263 so you are spamming?
@Welshie Ranger well guess I’m an idiot or I’m just not the type to pay attention to background details....
Everyone keeps talking about Star Finger, or "they're the same type of stand", but the transitive property works both ways.
In the strangest alternate reality, we could have gotten *World Finger.*
*ZA FINGER* (sniper noise)
The pistols...
SEX WORLD
@@gokusoloscope World Pistols
T H E S E X
or the finger
@@beansya8967 when u 18
Moment
For your reminder of Joesphs ability to cheat death, he's alive in Part 6.
Personally, I like to think that the moments at 18:07 are simply the stands themselves being the center of movement, and as the raise themselves up, so are Jotaro and Dio. If this wasn’t possible, then swinging with HG or HP wouldn’t be possible.
This is also supported by stands themselves being punched (like in part 5) and the uset as well being sent flyingeniør with them.
Unfortunately jotaro decides that this flying technique he learnt was op and so he didn't use it in part 4
@@act2wasstronger182 well at least he did use it to counter C Moon gravity, so he didnt really forgot about it comepletely
@@user-nx1wv2ws6r unfortunately I haven't read the manga tho....
Araki forgot that he forgot, so he remembered
ayo wtf 😂
@@aqrmzzn I was, and always am, high in sleep deprivation.
He forgor 💀, but then he rember 😁
"Yes but actually no"
Why doesn’t anybody ever talk about how gambler d’arby has a stand that looks EXACTLY LIKE *HANDSOME SQUIDWARD*
You're comment was soo good and ur pfp made it ever better 🤣
Fandom forgot
H O T
👌
I can’t see it as anything else and I hate you
Araki: even weak stands aren’t useless
Fanbase: araki said stands are useless
20:20 That's actually preety do able since the human brain can last about 3-6 minutes without oxygen before becoming clinically dead. Dio took the blood 4 minutes ago which makes it in the time limit where the brain can still hold out.
I personally think Kakyoin was surprised that Jotaro deflected the Emerald Splash, because he's never fought another Stand user before that. Therefore, he's never fought anyone who could see the attack coming.
We even see Dio doing the exact same thing later in SD too.
No one actually deflects the emerald splash except DIO and Jotaro
Most of them just dodged and lovers clones
@@RonTheCon6 Don't forget The Sun.
@@RonTheCon6 do you think crazy diamond would be able to do it?
Or fight against it
Lmao Dio isn’t surprised to see a car, he’s remarking at how useful they are compared to what he used to ride in.
"a computer is truly an amazing piece of technology. back in my day we didnt have such things"
"YoUvE neVeR seEn a ComPutEr beFoRE ?"
ok at like 9 minutes, he explains that aya and tonio got their stands from mastery of a craft, but I think its more like their stand was born from strong desire. Tonio wanted everyone who tried his food to be happy so much he got a stand, and aya wanted to give everyone a chance at love really badly. Kinda like how in part 7 Pocolocco had a peaceful spirit but he got so lucky a stand emerged from his luck. The sculptor in the sleeping slaves arc in part 5 is one i cant explain like that though.
18:06 When I watched the anime and read the manga, I knew they weren't really flying, but I sometimes was confused and didn't knew if I should think that it was the shock and force of their punches that were making they 'fload' or if it was just a changing in pace and timing.
Great video, btw
Kakyoin is just an artistic boy, that's why he uses paintings and puppets to emphasize his stand's actions.
Nice ulyana pfp!!
Remember when Joseph threatened girls with a French kiss
And then the old woman was going to french kiss him in part 3
@@JoeH3rz-3 What goes around comes around
Remember when Caesar put a pigeon in a girl's mouth
@@jackjohnson8055 that was Joseph
@@jackjohnson8055 that was joseph
Taking a ride in Aerosmith would be a good idea to go microscopic. Plus it would just be fun.
Araki forgot to show Younger D'arby's soul collection being liberated. Or alternately, to show the Crusaders expressing regret about not being able to liberate them.
It would be cold and out-of-character if the protags just decided they don't care about 15 tortured souls being left trapped with a psychopath.
But they were show beign liberared
They literally showed elder darby's collection being liberated why show it twice? Do you need every single piece of information relayed to yourself? Can you not infer the obvious on your own
I think Star Platinum's range issue is more a "Araki changed his mind" rather than "Araki forgot" issue. Besides, it was just a comical way to hint that SP wasn't really a evil spirit.
TheSunTitan well at first he was going for stands have unlimited range but lessen in power the farther they are thus stands with 5 meters as their range would be most powerful behind that distance but could go as far as the user made them. Then Araki decided that they would stop at that mark instead since it would literally be star platinum and other close range stands would have that far distance but less power trade off and that would be a little bit dull to technically have all stands being long distance stands so that’s most likely why he changed it
Araki does hv a lot instances of bad writing though. A lot of the debunking done in this video is basically giving araki and the show the benefit of a doubt instead of concrete evidence
Mak Chot literally. Most of these are “it’s not an Araki forgot they just changed their mind” excuses
Did you all not watch video?
Easier explanation, all that stuff was smuggled by the surrounding cell mates so it fits the two meter range
I personally think that the whole painting ability thing was just to not spoil Kakyoin's stand.
I always saw it as a cool way of intruducing kakyoin, a lot of enemy stand users are intruduced in mysterius ways.
@@simonj6801 ^
For me it seemed more like a flex if nothing else. H.Green is a super stealthy and assassination-type stand, and Kakyoin is incredibly smart. Being incredibly smart comes with wanting to flex that brain (even if it is partially impaled). If I had his stand I'd probably do that stupid painting and puppet stuff too just to throw them off my case.
@@clayxros576 Especially when so much of Stand fighting relies on the enemy not knowing your abilities, confusing them with paintings and puppets is a great plan. Too bad DIO's minions knew the Crusader's abilities or else we might have gotten more of that from Kakyoin.
@@onyxrose4349
Part of the issue is that Kak was controlled by DIO prior to that, so he didn't even have a chance to pull it with them. DIO probably informed the others what Kak's abilities were.
I think the reason he shifted toward Stands instead of Hamon is because with Stands, he could be way more creative and have their abilities be unique to one another
that, and the fact dio and friends were the only remaining vampires meant that hamon (a technique designed exclusively for fighting vampires) wasn't useful anymore
I think lots of people don't understand how star finger is only used when Jotaro is unable to move, so he uses it as a last ditch resort. It isn't like a super long and painful punch, it can only do minimal damage. The reason why it works so well in the Strength and Dark Blue Moon fights is because he is able to hit a weak spot, like Dark Blue Moon's eyes or strength's button. People who make the argument "oh just use star finger on Pucci" don't understand how it takes the full energy behind the stand to move the power into his fingers. He has to literally give all of his stand energy into his fingers to preform this. Its not lijke a quick long distance hit he can pull off on the fly. Because of it being weak and also it taking a lot of concentration, it simply isn't viable for Jotaro to use unless he is in a "I need range, but I can't move situation, and I just need to hit a blatant weakspot that can be hit by simply pushing it, rather than "Uh oh! Pucci is right next to me, Ill use star finger to bludgeon him to death!"