Debunking Araki Forgot Part 7: Steel Ball Run
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- Debunking common misconceptions in Part 7.
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Reply to this with your Part 8 forgots
The Wall Eyes and Bite Marks just disappearing.
^i don't really believe this, it's a common example.
@@confusious4034 I literally searched Part 8 plotholes and every article had them.
@@confusious4034 And people saying Josefumi having "Joestar birthmark".
in the volume of blue hawaii ,The stand that makes people follow a target in a straight line, when Josuke is Touched by a woman possesed by the stand he took off his shoes but in the very next volume Josuke is wearing shoes
"Joshu is atheist, so Araki Forgot that the Holy Corpse existed or that he himself is the god of JoJo's universe"
That just further proves joshus stupidity
joshu is the satan himself, no being is holy enough to beat him
"sorry pops... i don't belive in god"
to be fair, if you know about stands "Walking on water" and "duplicating fish" sound a lot less godly
dedly kuin with a haircut like that you’d have to be pretty evil to think it’s a good style to keep
Araki forgot that a Slow Dancer is someone who dances at low speed, but Slow dancer doesn't dance and isn't slow
He's an old horse and therefore not as fast.
Hamon Beat I don’t see him dancing.
@@blank6165 your a true hero
@@Hamon_Beat why would slow dancer been named slow dance if he was once a young horse? Was slow dancer all ways a slow old horse then?
@@Hamon_Beat wait didn't Gyro say something about young horse and slow dancer in the same context.
I love how Araki's official statement on why Valentine changes his entire physique is "he worked out :)))".
Lmao that’s sick. “Bruh wtf happened to Valentine?” “He just worked out lol”
Hey why not, not everything needs to have a special meaning to it, sometimes you want your villain to look badass, so make him work out.
Always thought it was the corpse parts making him look like that
That seems a more complicated then just having valentine clone swapping into a really buff version
Makes sense i guess
Imagine being a Johnny Joestar from another dimension where you're facing off against a standless Funny Valentine then he gets a stand you've never seen before only to sink into the ground and die.
He gets turned into a beyblade.
All those other Johnnies from the other dimensions had a really confusing ending.
*Araki Forgot* to explain and draw the ending for all those other Johnnies smh shaking my head.
Actually, If you think about it, that Funny Valentine from another universe may also have a stand. Remember that it was only stated that D4C only belonged to base-world Valentine, but it was never stated that all other Valentines won't have a stand at all.
But yeah, I agree, seeing Valentine suddenly have another stand, D4C, and then sink in to the ground would be really weird.
"Well, he just vanished. Works for me! I'm out."
Uhh..I guess that is a win
Virgin:
Dio trolling Polnareff on the stairs by using the world
Chad:
Diego picking up himself and his horse to move forward and win the race, using the world
@Jerry Gonzales they didnt become one, they died
lmao
Im pretty sure that anything that come in contact with DIO or his stand can move in time. Like how he threw the knives which were stuck in midair a bit further away from him, and the blood splatter from when he donuted kakyoin.
@@bobjim4126 not the contact, he can apply force to an object, he throws the knife and the stopped air stops the knife in the air because gravity is not working
Even Siller alternative theory: the horse also is a stand user. The only special thing about the stand other than it being the stand of a horse is that it enables its user to move during stopped time.
Yeah I don't know if these videos are satire or not due to answers like this
I know he probably used his stand, but the thought of Diego picking up his horse and moving it is hilarious.
Polnareff uses Silver Chariot to yeet himself and the wheelchair so we could assume The World did the same
Yeah lol, just like for Polnareff with The World lol
It's prolly no different from picking up your bicycle and turning it around, because you have no space to reverse it by riding it.
@@thepunslinger1536 that's cartoon only mistake, in comics his legs look like they have some sort of mechanism in them. Or that would imply that stand users with powerful close-range stands can literally fly.
@@Bodwaizer The can't fly, but they can do powerful jumps, like the DIO vs Jotaro fight in part 3
10:40 it should have gone like this, Gyro: "Johnny take off your clothes , i need to see your body johnny, i need a reference for the golden rectangle, hurry johnny."
It isn't gay because he needs to see it to save his own life. It's homies helping each other.
pf
I'd honestly believe that he'd do that, especially with his other moments such as the "Eat shit" and "Mozarella" moments, or just the many times he had with his teddy bear.
He could’ve done that while fighting wekapipo
I can imagine Johnny posing seductively to play it up even more, and the whole thing would end up working because some of the characters in jojo would either want to caress him and the rest would just be frozen in an awkward moment of disbelief.
Araki forgot Lucy Steels age when drawing the Volume 13 cover.
XD
14 allegedly in the flashback
I mean, looking at how concerningly often her age is stated (Like, there are pages where it's in brackets behind her name without any reason. Just to remind everyone that she's 14)... I don't think he forgot.
@@Sianic12 Legal age in Japan is 13 so technically not wrong
@@railgatekeeper6337 But SBR took place in America
Bruh
Araki forgot that the guy Johnny cut in line was the one who shot Johnny Joestar.
No butts
no cuts
no coconuts
I mean kinda, but he was more of a gear in motion then a actual character to set revenge upon.
That guy was actually a Valentine from an alternate universe, the base Valentine sent him to paralyze Johnny to prevent him from getting the corpse.
On another timeline Johnny is called Thomas Wayne
Francesco Lombardi oipppopppiiiiiii
WHY JOTARO DIDN'T USE STAR FINGER TO SAVE GYRO ??
Why didn't jotaro use star finger to kill dio before he became a vampire
Patricia Leach DIO was already a vampire-
@@meggsten why Jotaro no use Star Finger to kill Dio in Phantom Blood
Why Jotaro is not even in part 7??
@@shibammitra6574 that's.. that's the joke?
Idk why but the last forgot is the funniest
“While he needs his horse for golden rotation with act 4, he does not need it for *P U N C H I N G* “
"I'm gonna make yew catch these hands like how yew made Gyro catch that bullet, yew bastard!"
Ora.
"Ha! You need your horse to activate act 4! I win!"
"No"
*Gets beaten to death*
Johnny gonna give valentine the ol' steely dan treatment
In the end it always goes back to "ora ora"
Imagine this conversation
Johnny: Please God I wanna stand
Jesus: Ok
Johnny: That’s not what I meant
Lmao 😂 underrated comment
@@2Fresh4udaddy thank you
Jesus: Ungratefull fool, now i'll take away your spine as well, it was mine to begin with.
**Johnny is now paraplegic**
pff
Well done, my man
My favorite araki forgots are "character says something that is disproven later on" forgots. Yes, it is impossible for a character to be wrong apparently.
That's because people assume Araki is using characters to deliver essential info, but normally they're just theorizing.
Man in the Mirror: * exists *
Fans: Bu-bu-bu..... *BuT kAkYoIn SaId---*
@@horaciosi Dio: *literally had the power to manipulate bodies in part 1*
SO haters: hOW THe FuCk dId he cure PUcci's FooT?
*NO ONE CAN JUST DEFLECT THE EMERALD SPLASH*
Nightmare_ Creature
"How could Dio die if the character literally said that's it's impossible and that he is Dio"
You forgot to mention another Araki Forgot.
When Valentine is offering to bring back Gyro, how come Johnny didn’t try and bring back the Oingo Boingo brothers instead? Very big plot hole.
Why not bring back Ultimate Kars? He'd be great for Birthday parties.
@@crackdowndead then we could see his giant ears again
Araki is so dumb that he forgot Alessi could use the reverse card on his stand and turn him on the Grateful dead
@@crackdowndead honestly...fuck that guy
He could’ve brought back Pinocchio
People be treating araki like he has dementia.
I think part 6 is the one araki is the most open about that there where so many inconsistencies but people wouldn't know since
@@ElMango14 what inconsistencies?
@@ElMango14 I think you should listen to the video he did about part 6, or just read it. Nothing I saw in part 6 REALLY couldn't be explained
@@morgansboobies no reply
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Why didn't Jotaro use star finger to break trough D4C love train's barrier??!?!?!?!!!!!?!
Because he dont exist in part 7
@SUPREME MANGAKA no shit sherlock
@@roasdrubale9137 why You ask
@@islu4672 because it’s something you apparently have never heard before; A JOKE
@@roasdrubale9137 a joke it's suposed to be funny and this is not funny
JoJo fans: "'spin' 'the power of the spin' 'it's because of the spin' I get it already, it's all in the spin. You've said spin a million times Araki!"
Also JoJo fans: "How did Johnny start walking?"
Da_Pikmin_Coder bruh ikr
Da_Pikmin_Coder
*Bruh Moments*
Everybody Gang-star until the cripple start walkinh
I’m pretty sure a lot of the people who ask how Johnny can walk later on haven’t actually read part 7. Even if part 7 is well received by fans, it’s still just a manga story and not adapted into an anime yet. Which means a good chunk of these fans haven’t bothered to read the manga and are waiting for an anime adaptation that will take years before it’s even developed
JoJo fans: "fate' 'the power of fate' 'sleeping slaves of fate' I get it already, it's all because of fate you've said fate a million times Araki!"
Also JoJo fans: "How does King Crimson / GER work?"
The Araki forgot claims have devolved into "explain the JoJo lore for me"
It really shows how some people just doesn't understand what they read
@@gustavogodoy9626 they just wanna find errors where there are none to justify their childish hate.
@@viniciusespindola7238 facts
@@viniciusespindola7238 I mean "who shot Jonny" fight still does not work, since Valentine isn't omnipotent to have capability of pulling 10 people across the square of 100 meters in and out of the reality in an instant without anyone noticing . And Sound man's character reweal is still wonky.
I don't know why is it so hard to accept that sometimes Araki does go for cool looking fights/stands without realizing how it would later fit in the story. I mean even with that Jojo's is still probably the best shounen manga that was ever released.
@@blindeyedblightmain3565 im not talking specifically about that, to be fair nobody understood that arc. I´ve seen many people saying that it is factually a horrible manga because of "araki forgots". I´ve seen a guy giving a score of 1 to part 4, only because Jotaro could guess that Sheer Heart Attack is aiming at heat, that Heavens Door sometimes makes people pass out and sometimes don't, and similar claims. It is a ridiculous line of toughts...
Why didn't Jotaro use Star Finger to figure out who shot Johnny
Because he was off star fingering Dio Brando in part 6
@@j.l.7455 noo
@@j.l.7455 why did you feel the need to say it like that
@@fukkthisnewupdate8882 I mean why else didn't he use star finger to found how who shot johnny
@@j.l.7455 oh
Polnareff gets spammed with time stop and Kakyoin gets blown away in an instant while Joseph sees it happening: *I have no clue what is going on*
Johnny when he gets hit by knife: *Ah yes, time stop*
And that when Kira got punched by star platinum he immediately thought of it as stopping time
Yeah that one could be considered a issu but are really ignoring the rats???
It could be possible that Johnny is vaguely conscience during time stop through the super spin in Tusk Act 4; its much easier to figure out when and if the opponent can stop time when you can actually see it. Or maybe the spin did good to Johnny big brain
Jhonny knowed about mandom ability to restart time by 6 seconds maybe this helped him to know
@@theguywho4sked “knowed”
some of these "Araki Forgot" moments should just be renamed to "I didn't read the dialouge" moments
Sly Rocko *dialogue
Sorry for being like this
the people who say these things probably WOULDN'T know how to spell dialogue
Vinegar Doppio true
some of these should be renamed to "i cant remember every single line of dialogue" moments
That Twitter perfect response/meme to that shit Jojolion take/outrage from a random braindead got me dead in fact lol
You forgot about how the First Lady says that Valentine makes no sound when he walks when later it shows stepping noises for Valentine
I'm gonna predict that the answer is that he can do it whenever he wants and doesn't have to walk silently everytime
Flappo the Silent Scientist I think that was because Valentine change himself with another dimension Valentine
I always thought that Chubby Valentine is the one who can walk without making sound, then when we see stepping noises, it was supposed to say that it was Valentine from Another World (Since Chubby Valentine is dead)
He makes no footstep sounds is because the sound waves are between his feet and the floor so they get sent to some other dimension, the only time I've seen the text for him makeing footstep sounds was during love train, when he was walking on love train itself, which isnt physically there so it wouldn't activate D4C
All of these are lovely answers, thank you for your time
Please don't misinterpret my original comment as insulting to anyone I only wanted an answer (just in case someone may interpret it that way)
I wonder which Valentine is she referring to? The Chubby Valentine or The Hot Valentine?
The idea that Dio picked up his horse and moved it forward in stopped time is an absolutely hilarious image to me.
Could be a bad take but the spin on the coffin likely isn’t infinite , meaning he doesn’t need the golden rectangle.
That actually didn't happened
The horse moved in the direction it was going before time stop just like the knives ( Dio can throw knife so yes he can move the horse at least in the same direction the horse was moving along)
@@pinkzero281 that's one of my gripes with the world in general, the 5 seconds are never realisticaly respected. How da hell can he get down of the horse move it (over quite a big distance mind you) then get on it again while also throwing knives at jhonny. Plus if the horse suddenly mived, wouldn't it be startled ? It's the small things that trigger me but that doesn't impede me to enjoy jojo for its bizarre ideas and amazing art style.
The world. It's strong, fast, and is basically extra hands. So stops time, use the world to carry him and his horse forward while Diego threw the knives.
@@KoKo_Nakahdo you know how strong the world is or
i finally finished part 7 now which means im legally allowed to watch this video
I watched the video and didn't know anything at all then I read it then I became god and knew everything
@@ElMango14 That's an interesting way to say you got spoilers
@@imshook3144 No one cares
@@f00fighters11 sauce
@@f00fighters11 sauce
This channel is truly a diamond in the rough. This series "Debunking Araki Forgot" is one of the few series that's actually focused on educating people about JoJo's story and not just shitposts.
bro stop commenting ur annoying
How are you everwhere?
PUMPLE stop crying
"Too bad hamon beat is a little bit of a race'tism" -biblo baggins
@@getsoucy i dont see anyone crying dumbass nigga
The biggest plothole is why that Diego guy is so handsome
Because he’s Dio from another universe, get over it.
@@yarnhatter1632 tru
*insert Obama giving an award to himself*
holup
E
I just think it's really funny that Diego is constantly throwing his horse forward, running to catch up with it, getting back on, and then doing a whole bunch of bullshit to Johnny, all during the time stop.
That being said, I also kind of wish Araki was like "oh also, the horse also has The World. The horse can stop time too. It's fine. Valentine got it from a universe where everyone is horses. His name is also Dio."
I'd love that honestly
the horse: So its the same type of stand as the world?
Its also possible that the horses movement could work like anything the TS user is touching being "active". I.e thrown knives still moving for a distance then keeping their potential energy. The horse could work as an extension of Diego
@Kūtê i wish that it was that way in the lore. But only ibjects work that way unfortunately
@Kūtê except if that is how it works araki would have shown that as it changes the ability significantly. But also there is no mention of this supposed ability in any sources other than speculation. So unless said yes to it is a no. This is how stupid araki forgot's begin
alternate diego, picking up his horse in stopped time: "this is gonna look so cool to someone else."
Why didn’t Giorno and Josuke heal Johnny’s legs during Stardust crusaders part 1 ?
Because in part 5: jojolion, Giorno and Joeske was fighting Kars at Egypt
But isn't Jonathan and Gappy fighting Kira in the German soilder place? Dude why?
@@ChaseBoogie345 while Jotaro was fighting Diavlo in Florida and Johnathan was fighting Pucci in Italy
@@ricniks4619 OH yeah that part! But what about when Joeske part 8 was in Italy?
@@ChaseBoogie345 And Giorno was fighting Vampires in Part 1
I personally think a better idea of The World AU's ability is when connecting with an object it will move normally but once they lose contact the object slows down then completely stops like Dio's knifes
@Jerry Gonzales how is he late
Exactly. Him "lifting" the horse doesn't make any sense, unlike what Hamon Beat said. It would also explain the blood splatter when he effed kakyoin.
Just like how they could breath in stopped time or how jotaro was able light a fire in stopped time. whatever they're interacting with should be able to move as well.
Yeah it's almost like the world gives an aura to things around, making physics and biology work but when they get far away from the user they start to stop
@Jerry Gonzales I mean Hamon Beat didn't explain it that way in this video therefore if there is any misconceptions I cleared it up with this comment
Now with the part 6 anime out and seeing DP change anasui's initial appearance to resemble his later design, I'm confident that valentine is going to receive the same treatment
Im gonna miss thicc Valentine
Honestly, I hope they keep Chunky Valentine and spin it as him swapping with a buffer version after getting stabbed by Lucy
@@lanerenner9410 nah just make the transition like it is in the manga, he slowly keeos getting buffer wnd buffer until he fixes his posture after the napkin and shows off his bodu
I will be very disappointed if the grumpy fat Valentine face doesn't make it in
They gonna do him like what they did to Doppio in the Colosseum
Killer queen: Has """"3"""" habilities
people: kay
D4c: Has only 2,with only the least used one being the first to be introduced
People: damn araki>:(
killer queen has 2 abilities, bites the dust was added to it when the stand arrow pierced kira again, which gave him a new ability, so killer queen originally has 2 abilities
@@tnterrarian9997 Yeah,but i think you got what i meant to say
Just 2? He has sheer heart attack bites the dust and his ability to turn whatever he touches into a bomb also killer queens abilities are very basic and easy to understand compared to d4cs
@@oogabooga9573 I said 3....
You forgot funny Valentine can phase projectiles through him as seen in the D4C arc aswell
Something about Hot Pants’s Stand:
Since we don’t see her “phasing” her stand out and only putting in that place where a gun would usually be, I thought that the stand would work as a physical object that can outlive the user itself, kínd of Anubis (the stand that lived in a sword in part 3).
Yeah I thought this was known? Its a physical stand and so even one from another dimension can be used by anyone, even a non-stand user can see and use it.
it was an alt universe cream starter, that hot pants was still alive so the stand worked fine
I think ít was not even a stand, more like some magical mechanism. Kinda like a spin or zombie horse.
@@argo9750 Araki has confirmed that it is a stand but in the context of the story it's likely isn't
That's how I rationalized it too, and if that's the case. it is possible that Valentine killed that universe's Hot Pants to get Cream Starter
Araki forgot to give Hot Pants a satisfying ending.
Honestly HP just stayed on the train?
@@gamee6245 Oh she got off the train allright.
@@Magnet_Chaos Yeah. Involuntarily, and while kinda being punctured in the heart by a piece of wood and flies. 💀
I was so shocked at that
@@demonwolfgod8450 You mean she got your cream started?
The Sandman/Soundman thing always made perfect sense to me.
Sandman is a mistranslation of an unspecified Native American tongue, which likely wouldn't have a written script, and so their words for "Sand" and "Sound" being confused by settlers (who aren't really known for their great interest on preserving languages) isn't surprising.
Yeah I thought that was pretty clear my first time reading, not sure why people didn’t get that lol
Agree
To be more nerdy about it. At least in English, my guess as to how someone would mistranslate his name is his name being pronounced as, something like [sɑndmæn] and them mishearing the a as ou in sound
Just wish he was more important to the story
Thing is, as pointed out in the video, Sandman was still the name being used at the very beginning by the natives themselves.
I see both Hayato & Emporio as the saviours of their respective JoJo parts. Both of their actions go way beyond their age.
And part 7 had lucy
Just achieved the biggest goal a human can achieve: learning who shot Johnny and how it all happened
Hamon beats explanation is such a stretch. Why would funny teleport people from other dimensions in, in order to play a prank on gyro?
@@diegodankquixote-wry3242 i think it was more of a "shoot johnny and make it impossible to find out who did it" than a prank
@@diegodankquixote-wry3242 is it really such a stretch for jojo villains to act non sensical thou, honestly for me its perfectly believable that valentine simply wanted to fuck with Gryo and it even fits in with his personality as well considering how he treated axl ro
It actually wasn't accurately explained and I'd suggest watching Meti or Kaleb I.A explain it.
Deigo Quixotwry the same reason DIO decided to continuously freeze time, run down some stairs, move Polnareff down a step, then run back up to his initial position and act like nothing happened? You act like this kind of trolling has no precedent in the series, when it absolutely does. Even then, the explanation can easily be, “Valentine just wanted to cover his tracks and did it in a really extra way because this is Jojo.”
Why didn't star platinum use star finger to fix the IQ gap?
the only funny comment.
Based
heh
Redpilled
BLUNT Aiden Pearce the only red pill is the penis enhancement drugs that Hamon Beats needs
I always appreciated Valentine's change from fat to muscular
At the start I was deceived into thinking he wasn't going to be the main villain, because he seemed so non-threatening.
When he eventually became taller and more imposing, it was like he grew into a threat just like Johnny did.
Fucking part 6 speed readers I swear to god. Can’t wait until the Stone Ocean anime releases and the anime fans change to western consensus on Stone Ocean, because it’s fucking great
Amen to that one. It seems like people hate Stone Ocean because popular people online told them to without even bothering to read it. I bet it’ll play out similarly to Part 5. Before the anime, most of the western JoJo community hated Golden Wind. After it got its anime adaptation, almost everybody loved it. Stone Ocean is a solid Part 8 and once people actually view it then they’ll enjoy it.
@@kingdedede7484 jolyne fire she doesn’t just have some monstrous stand even tho stone free is dope she actually has to do the fucking work and not just throw here stand out like a Pokémon
@@davidjackson9680 To be fair, almost every main JoJo (outside of GER) has to put in some though to strategy, but I see what you mean. Compared to being able to fix objects, stop time, and infinite spin, strings are somewhat weak on the surface. However, Jolyne uses them so well and I love her and Stone Free because of that.
@@kingdedede7484 true u he forgetting about my boy josuke
@@kingdedede7484
Like Buccerati (did I spell that right? I always get it wrong)
That guys explained the "Who Shot Johnny" scene way better than anyone else, he didn't even needed a 3d model of the street to explain. Now i finnally know who shot Johnny... or Johnnys..
@Jerry Gonzales Idk man that was so confusing that i'm starting to think Johnny shot himself
@Jerry Gonzales Clown? You're calling Hamon a clown for explaining it? Valentine teleporting other people instantaneously after shooting Johnny when they were also pointing a gun at him wouldn't confuse Johnny? Is "Johnny was confused" THAT hard to believe?
@Jerry Gonzales I don't fucking care about this channel anymore, I got a much better reason hate Hamon: he's racist as fuck. So I'm not gonna watch him for other reasons so good day I guess
I have no idea what the fuck this comment section is anymore. Litteral mongrels
Sam Bradley - It's hard to believe that Johnny was "just confused" and the people he believed he saw were exactly the same 3 people that actually shot him
Who shot Johnny?
A) Diego
B) Wekapipo
C) Valentine
The Answer is none of them.
Gold Experience Requiem Trapped Johnny in a infinite Death loop And keeps shotting him.
that's some shotty death looping.
This is a god tier comment
D) Star Finger
@@Magitek1112 Confirmed Araki Forgot, Valentine didn't use Star Finger or Kakyoin paint ''ability''.
This is starting to get creepy, every jojo video I go on you are in the comments
So this is why SBR is considered by many the best part.
Araki didn’t forget.
i mean araki almost never forgets but yeah
@@dezkoke never wrote josukes plunder into part 8 after the early chapters because i guess he just didn't care about the stands main ability idk unless im wrong or something.
@@EXFrost wtf are talking about read the manga again josuke has plunder in almost every possible situation
I hate fking idiots like you
@@pinkzero281 he uses his bubbles to contain things yes, but he never "steals" things like he used to in those first few chapters
@@EXFrost I think he does it a few more times but tbh it's less useful than the actual main ability which is just blowing the fuck up lmao
Araki: **Actually forgets**
Fanbase: WRYYYYYY
Araki: yes but have you met my lawyer, mr. Hamon beat?
tru
All of these were explained
He's the JoJo Saul Goodman
I'm so glad you finally explained D4C's introduction because I saw a like 10 minute breakdown of it and in the end the video creator couldn't figure out an explanation for what happened that was consistent with the rest of the part
Because it's not consistent with the part. That's sorta the whole reason it's in this video and why people have such a problem with it
HelixSnake If anything his explanation is less consistent. Go watch xforts
d4c is 1+1=0
@@pickedceasar1216 debunk Hamon Beat then. You’ve claimed he’s wrong so explain how
@@aetherialbeing4223 I mean if you want a debunk go watch xforts cause I'm just gonna tell you what he explained
21:20 because of ""plot holes"" in a thing that is not even finished yet to be considered a hole, RIGHT WALL EYES?
They're just wall holes
They just work
Honestly everyone always talks about the wall eyes but I’m more curious about the bite marks that gave yasuho and joshu there stands. What I’m guessing is that its the holy corpses head biting people or something.
@@gold_spin1639 WORSE THAN THAT, ARAKI FORGOT ABOUT THE FUCKING MAN IN GAPPY'S FLASHBACK. WHAT DOES HE MEAN? SURE HE REMEMBERED ABOUT OJIRO AND SURE HE MADE REFERENCE TO THE WALL EYES, BUT WHAT ABOUT THAT MAN? THERE'S A WHOLE FUCKING CHARACTER HE COULD DEVELOP AND ADD TO THE STORY. I FUCKING LOVE PART 8 BUT THIS IS JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT GRIND MY GEARS. THERE'S MORE MAIN CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT THAN ANY PART AND THERE ARE LOTS OF NUANCES AND MUSICAL REFERENCES WITHIN GAPPY MAKING HIM ONE OF THE BEST JOJOS AND ALSO MAMEZUKU I LOVE THIS DUDE I WOULD COMMIT ARSON IF HE DIED BUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT HERE SORRY I MEAN WHAT IN THE FUCK IS UP WITH THAT GUY THERE'S NOBODY THAT LOOKS LIKE HIM IN THE WHOLE STORY I JUST WANT THAT PLOT POINT RESOLVED
@@eugoth4285 bro chill. Remember in Part 4 how Josuke had his saviour that was never expanded upon that just turned out to be an idol and a Good Samaritan and nothing more? I guess it’s kinda like that since they are basically the same person
I love you for these, never stop doing them. ''Why didnt Jotaro use star finger in Part 23'' is my favorite meme now.
He was obviously preoccupied with fighting kars in part 19 of jojo diamond is unbreakable I mean this is basic knowledge
Listen Johnny, the holy corpse granted him the ability to *'turn himself into a pickle'*
i am error now we know why valentine wanted the corpse To be the “funniest valentine”
That is the funniest shit ever
It's not funny anymore
Funniest Valentine I've ever seen
i am error funniest shit I’ve ever seen
ah, so thats who shot johnny jostar. I think i might actually get it after 10 more rereads now.
Johnny shot Johnny. Three times.
aspen log his explanation is all wrong though.
The real question is, why did Funny Valentine bother doing all of that?
nessesaryschoolthing I really think Araki wanted to try and create a more complex stand for the main antagonist, but ended up mixing all of his ideas
I found Harmon beat (and specifically this series) during my watch through of part 3, it's been tradition since then to watch the debunking araki forgot for each part after I finish them and I'm so happy to watch this one now!
This is me but I watched them all at once except for part 7
0:34-Can GYRo see stands?
2:46-How did the characters get stands?
3:21-Zombie Horse
4:25-Devil's palm and corpse parts
7:17-Sandman vs Soundman
9:18-No Ratio
11:05-Fat vs Chad Valentine
12:42-Who shot Johnny Joestar?
16:55-Cream Starter
18:16-Johnny Walker
18:51-Stopped time stops horse
19:05-Johnny gets spun
20:00-Act 4
Fanbase: Stands disappears when their user dies!
Milagro Man, Notorious Big, cheap trick, Limp Bizkit and Anubis: Are we a joke to you?
Also moody blues technically
Spoiler Alert
And Wonder of U
@@MrHAH-cd9ku i dont think so. Isnt it just calamity which persists because wonder of u already targeted them and calamity is just a force in the universe
@Kūtê hes in jojoagogo so he is 100% a stand
@Kūtê The fuk did u get that, gods have never beign shown in jojos
To all the people who still want an answer to why Johnny doesn't use feet bullet anymore, I just want to say this:
*C R I P P L E*
it's kinda hard to use spin in something that you can't control
but then he uses the power of jesus magic to walk
@@stuckonaslide he uses spin to walk for a bit
@@ElMango14 NO IT S CALLED JESUS MAGIC
Idk why but I always thought that Dion just picked up polnareff himself and carried him down the stairs. It somehow never once occurred to me that he could have used the world to pick him up
honestly me too idk i just thought he ran down then picked him up then ran back up and posed
@@hi_imdead1138 that's such a dio thing to do too. His ego is monstrous, he loves his poses and talking trash in stupid ways lol
"The city of venice (he pronounced it as Veh-Nis)"
Ghiacchio: GRRRR, ITS VENEZIA
You know Paris, France? In English, it's pronounced "Paris" but everyone else pronounces it without the "s" sound, like the French do. But with Venezia, everyone pronouces it the English way: "Venice". Like 'The Merchant of Venice' or 'Death in Venice'. WHY, THOUGH!? WHY ISN'T THE TITLE DEATH IN VENEZIA!? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!? IT TAKES PLACE IN ITALY, SO USE THE ITALIAN WORD, DAMMIT! THAT SHIT PISSES ME OFF! BUNCH OF DUMBASSES!
Just because something isn't used anymore, doesn't mean Araki forgot about it. He might forget about them in the future, but he didn't stop writing about them because he forgot.
I don't know what is worse
People who think Araki forgets everything just because he didn't used again(sometimes for obvious reasons)
People who think that every thing that some character says but something who happens way after contradicts it
And people who non ironically hate Araki because of this bullshit
I wish I was kidding
@@vcsa681 Like, how dare Kakyoin not know about this one Stand user in Italy that can create a mirror world and that probably didn't have a Stand until a couple of years after Kakyoin's death? Kakyoin not being omniscient and being unable to tell the future clearly means Araki forgot and deserves harassment.
@@leetri this is the second Araki forgot who consequences most pisses me off
Kakyoin just said "Polnareff,I don't think a mirror world can exist"
And people really started calling this a massive plot hole and mocking Araki for no reason.
Sometimes the Western jojo fanbase is really toxic and embarrassing.
@@leetri Btw,Araki only created the mirror world later on,he isn't obligated to never do something only because some character said that it's not possible.
@@vcsa681 "Araki forgot" started out as just a fun little joke, but then people started taking it seriously and ruined it. People need to realize that the characters aren't omniscient and they all have their own view on the world. Just because Character X says Action Y isn't possible, doesn't mean it's actually impossible in that universe, it just means that that character thinks it's impossible.
To use a real life example, people thought human flight was impossible. Does that mean that planes and helicopters don't actually exist? 99% of the "Araki forgot" comments are just people who either didn't read the source material or they just can't think critically.
Dio horse can run within time stop = ❌
Za Warudo running while it lift up Dio and his horse = ✔
it'd look so dumb
Makes sense though
Just imagining the world stretching and running with a tracksuit while holding a horse and sweating
@@bogart7122 No need to sweat. There's no gravity in stopped time.
@@mrebicproductions1955 Have you seen silver chariot lifting polnareff
Im so glad that someone is clearing up all the asinine statements people make, its sad that people are so stubborn. The truth is that Araki isnt a perfect writer, but hes not a bad writer, he does forget things, but its definitely not common. I cant wait to see part 8 after its finished, I often use your videos to understand things i didnt get clearly the first time, like the d4c introduction.
@Justlono Hey That isn't nice! It's impossible to be perfect Everyone has their own opinion but Hamon Beat has been very rude when he disregards and not let people have their opinion
Also since Araki isn't perfect either he will have some mistakes and will not always remember to fix the mistakes for any Part
So Stop Cyberbullying with Hamon BEAT
@@jenniferchen9585 ...how is he cyberbullying? Sure, hamon beat said some racist shit on twitter but it's got nothing to do with this and he isn't cyberbullying anyone-just explaining why people are wrong with facts and logic and calling out their mistakes. They can't read properly and blame it on the series' creator.
@@jotaros_dolphins2213 But Hamon Beat is wrong as well here by criticizing
@@jenniferchen9585 did you even read my comment?
@@jotaros_dolphins2213 Yes I did I never said that It is stupid to call out people mistakes! and I agree that they can't blame Araki for these mistakes but Hamon Beat himself is wrong by criticizing them and if he's going to correct someone he should avoid using terms like 'Ridiculous or 'Not paying attention' in Future Videos! He should be correcting in a more polite tone and Not be such a Prick about it!
12:10
Everyone: *thinking of Crazy theories and speculations*
Funny Valentine: i was just working out
Ngl to me that D4C theory is the only thing that redeems sandman’s character in my eyes. Poor guy drank the villain of the week juice.
A nice cool glass of Jabroni Juice at the SmackDown Hotel.
Dude was the first character introduced and we didnt even get closure on his people.
I still believe the theory cause if you remember when Diego first met Sandman he came out from underneath a random ass door on the ground where it looked to be as if there was nothing there before.
@@ExcuseMe1 Bruh, whatd ye think happen to the original then?
@@iiirdvii840 Probably dead.
You should've named this series "Viewers Forgot"
What people have to remember is that from part 7 onward the rules of stands change a little bit, and we have yet (probably) to discover still in all the ways they have.
The most terrifying of which is that Jesus had a stand that could bring back the dead
It's become tradition for me to watch these Videos after finishing these parts to clear up some of my own confusion and misconceptions.
Hamon beat why didn’t you say venezia
haha I get it
But he surely says Paris
Hamon Beat Forgot
*Angry Ice cube noises*
You know Paris, France?
In English, they pronounce it "Paris,"
But everyone else pronounces it without the 'S' sound, like the French do.
But with Venezia, everyone pronounces it the English way, "Venice."
Like the Merchant of Venice and Death in Venice...
Why though?!
Why isn't the title Death in Venezia?!
Are you fucking mocking me?!
It takes place in Italy, so use the Italian word, damn it.
That shit pisses me off!
Bunch of dumbasses!
Hamon beat really made a whole series out of people not reading the part properly
more like a whole series out of "MY headcanon is better than YOUR headcanon"
It’s not headcanon...
Half the moments are literally people not paying attention
@@Joker-fq6yx no, they're memes. Hamon beat is just a sad racist making 2 hours of videos to boost his sub count on the back of a 15 minute meme made by shuckmeister. You can prove it by watching the videos and looking at the dates. Also HB hates the blacks and thinks they shouldn't vote. Hes toxic
@@avg_mage3274 huh?
@@dugby4027 to which part? This video and the rest in the series are a response to a video made by shuckmeister, 44 times araki forgot. Where shuckmeister sarcastically lists "plot holes" in jojo. Hamon beat commented over 100 times on that video calling shuckmeister fans retarded among other things.
Hamon beat also has gone on record saying that voting should only be allowed if you have a high iq, and went on to say that naturally this would mean blacks cant vote
araki's prob watching this like "oh dude i totally forgot that"
18:58 so not only can I imagine dio running down the steps, picking up polnareff, going down the steps, and then going back up the steps, but now I can imagine Diego getting of his horse, and PICKING UP HIS HORSE, for like 3 meters, then getting back on the horse💀
-"Venice"
Disliked, dis-commented and dis-subscribed
IT PISSES ME OFF! WHY NOT USE THE ITALIAN WORD FOR AN ITALIAN CITY! GOD. FUCK!
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@@ihatealmosteverythingequal820 your names says a lot about my routine
ITS VENENZIA!
*starts punching the car radio*
So basically, Sand/Soundman's stand is the equation of
The Fool + Echoes/Reverb + Golden Experience
Where did the fool come from?
@@aidenchoe4971 Iggy was born with it, sort of how Abdul was born with Magician's Red.
@@poopunofficial4435 that’s not what I’m saying, I’m saying what attribute of The Fool is in In a Silent Way lol
@@aidenchoe4971 SANDman, I guess?
@@byel2844 And also doesn't he like do something similar to manipulating sand with his stand? I didn't say that's how it is, I said why Lovey might've thought that's how it was.
Araki and badly explaining the main antagonist’s ability for the first time, name a more iconic duo ill wait.
jojo fans and poor reading comprehension?
Dio can suck out moisture from living things and shoots lasers from his eyes.
Kars uses his Bone Blades and his powers from the Mask.
DIO can stop time.
Kira can turn objects into bombs.
Diavolo can see the future and time skip.
Pucci can steal Stands and memories, along with controlling gravity and infinite speed.
Valentine can access infinite dimensions.
Along with other powers I didn’t mention, these are the simple ways to explain the main antagonists powers when they are first shown, and none of these were poorly explained. The misunderstandings come from poor translations, people not reading, or worse, people not reading AND going based off of memes.
@@kingdedede7484 i mean when u first show them
@@kingdedede7484 like outta nowhere dio shot lazers, wammu started a mini hurricane, dio fucked with polnareff ,hayato was reading the “future” , king crimson was being confusing multiple times, s p e e d, the who shot johnny incident, entirety of chapter 92 to 104 so far.
@@No-km2xd well the whole point of it is for the jojos to have a hard time finding out their true abilities so....
I still think "Who shot Johnny Joestar" was just D4C's abilities being retcon'd. Originally it included "allowing neighboring worlds to exist simultaneously in the same location", which explains how Wekapipo, Diego and the witnesses came from alternate universes/scenarios which were overlapped with the base universe, but that turned out to be too convoluted and confusing, hence it was later simplified to only keep Valentine's ability to hop between dimensions. Having the alternate universes passively exist simultaneously makes much more sense than Valentine somehow grabbing and swapping multiple people with their alternate selves in such a short period of time without anyone noticing, especially the witnesses who were in open spaces, nowhere near anything he could warp between.
Yeah, I adore SBR but this is one of the only flaws, you can bend over backwards for explanations but being realisitic, Araki probably did just retcon it
To defend every plot point that Araki makes as infallible kinda hurts the whole discourse. Addressing that inconsistencies and retcons do happen in Araki's writing makes the series as whole make more sense tbh.
I like how Araki's work is like God's Word, people read it, forget/overlook details, then blame the author for not doing it right.
oh shit. God is technically a jojo reference
@Francesco Lombardi Jesus is in SBR, so, yeah
@@alexco.creations4074 poor Atheist Joshu
Kind of similar, you mean how people just expect good or something from a dreadful horror series's villain, mass murderer, genocide enactor etc etc?
@@dusk6159 I mean, in both cases people get a bunch of wrong ideas for not paying attention to details in the plot.
There's so much stuff that I would need to start a series called 'Debunking people's biblical misconceptions' but I'd like to keep my head attached to my neck.
“Fat to chad”
THIS IS THE BEST THING I’VE EVER READ HHAHAHA
I will sound very stupid saying this, but Johnny was paralysed by being shot in the spine. When he got the corpse’s spine, shouldn’t that make him no longer paralysed? We can see that corpse parts are functional as gyro says he can see amazingly well when he puts in the eye.
Broke: Speed reading Part 6 to get to Part 7
Woke: Speed reading Part 7 to get to Part 8
Now this is someone I can use to attain Heaven.
Bespoke: *Speed reading Part 1 to Part 7 to get Jorge Joestar*
Speed reading through Parts 1-8 to get to part 9
Speed reading parts 1-8 to get Baoh
@@usermcskull4713 he is the one
11:05 Look at me mom I'm famous
Bossu everyone knows your identity now
GER wants to know your location.
@@SirSadness NO HE DOESN'T
@@snowbringercult He already knows!
@Jerry Gonzales I did it are you happy
7:50 --> "I think that this theory is ridiculous"
**Sad Josu Noise**
It is though
@@excalibur2772It really isn’t 😂😂
not so much an "araki forgot" but just something i noticed. valentine has so many oppertunities to move people into other universes and just leave them there if he wanted, and yet we never get a character who ends up like that. i think that would've been a cool "character death" where we, for all functional purposes, permanently lose a character since they are in another universe forever now.
I also thought of that. This is a series where you lose your fav character because he turns into a turtle, but not because the villain used his ability in a coherent way
10:48 "Quick, Johnny, start stripping!"
Hahahah
I almost forgot that Mrs Robinson exsit
I also forgot that Mrs. Robinson is a man
I didn’t even pick up on the fact that he’s a man until my 4th reread
Mrs Robinson is probably the most gender confusing character in fiction
I forgot Mrs Robinson isn't oye como va bc of his similar design
Bruh, me too
I still think that maybe Araki just didn’t have a full grasp on how D4C would work when writing who shot Johnny Joestar. Sure, it can be explained in a way that requires Valentine to have moved all these people to different universes and such(like, did those kids in the park just forget that the president threw a flag over them or something?) but I’m fairly confident that even Araki didn’t have a full grasp on what happened in that arc. Like, Johnny tells Gyro that Valentine, Wekapipo, and Diego all shot him. Why would he not clarify that Diego and Wekapipo shot a different version of him?
yea, I have to agree
I feel like Hamon Beat is trying too hard to rationalize some things that Araki actually forgot/made mistakes with. I mean, yes, the meme has gotten a bit out of hand, but Araki isnt perfect. He has made several mistakes, and I feel like Hamon is reaching a bit too hard.
hipe er He definitely does reach a bit hard sometimes. I feel like he’d come off a bit better if he presented his explanations as a plausible explanation of the plothole, rather than the definitive answer. Like, some of them are basically just “people weren’t paying attention” and should be called out as such, but he acts like his explanation of the “who shot Johnny Joestar” arc is what definitely happened when really it still leaves questions open.
That is literally an asinine question. Johnny doesn't fully know Valentine's ability, so he wouldn't even know that an alternate version of him got shot by the others. Valentine uses his ability to instantly bring Wekapipo and Diego to the spot aiming at Johnny immediately after shooting him, making it seem like all 3 somehow shot him.
Sam Bradley It doesn’t matter that Johnny doesn’t understand Valentine’s ability. By Hamon Beat’s own explanation, Diego and Wekapipo would have shot different Johnnys. Our Johnny is clearly aware that they shot a Johnny, as he says that all 3 men shot him. Yet he words it as if they all shot HIM specifically. Ignoring the fact that he shouldn’t even know these events happened, if he did know than he would have to be aware of the fact that they didn’t shoot him. If you were shot by one guy, and you saw another guy shoot an exact double of you, you wouldn’t be like “These 2 people shot me!” Because that’s just wrong.
@Ionut Makz oh, well Im retarded
The Civil War arc and the Gettysburg Dream chapter is one of my favourite JoJo arcs, being up there with the Judgment arc from Part 3, the Kiss of Love and Revenge arc from Part 6 and Anasui's reintroduction chapter, also being from Part 6. God, Anasui is such a fox.
the thought of diego using the world and then picking up and moving his horse in stopped time has me HOWLING
"Its time to look at the real mistakes Araki made"
Hell yeah! I love these videos, so im glad more are coming. :)
First: Not keeping Annasui as best girl.
Now imagine his mistakes are then proven to not be mistakes by the other Jojotubers in this bizarre ironic twist.
@@GBDupree Maybe Araki has the same memory level of Oda, but He's hiding.
Hamon Beat: I will now be going over actual araki forgot moments
*I've been looking forward to this*
Gyro is technically a stand user. But my theory is that he had a stand way back but never used it as he never really realized he has a stand. Just like Trish.
It must be exhausting to go through some of these comments... Keep up the great work!
Always good to come back to these videos for a good listen and reminders on story details.
Okay, the "Soundman is an alternate universe Sandman" banks on much more than the name and powers. The actual theory qas likely popularized from Metinotthebaguy's video on Sandman/Soundman, where his argument mostly hinges on Soundman's character, which many have pointed out is inconsistent with his personality early on. He also points out that Soundman emerges from a location that is a perfect vector for D4C's ability, and that a signal is sent to Valentine before Soundman appears.
His character didn't change at all, the reason for him to enter in the race was because he wanted to buy his lands back to his people, if Valentine has no problems to give Diego the entire Manhattan island for killing Johnny and Gyro then why he wouldn't give to Sandman his lands back for the same job?
Ionut Makz
Nah it’s consistent. His attitude, mannerisms, and general nature is the exact same. Hell, even I made the mistake of thinking he was a different person because of D4C’s ability but this video cleared that up
I love when Hamon Beat uploads a 20+ minute video complaining about the lack of interpretation skills that JoJo fans have
And then some of his theories are also wrong...
@@ddipster9342 nah, they're are more plausible than the ones that the fandom create
That is why I prefer hamon beat more than the shuckmeister
@@GI0GI0 shuck is pure cringe memes
@@Daydy377 ikr
thanks for making these videos dude they’re very helpful cuz jojo can be confusing at times
I love this series of videos, and I'm happy that someone finally done it.
It's just that about D4C, there are still some details that are not explained in the video.
In the three perspectives of Johnny, Wekapipo and Diego, they are illustrated like three different universes since
1. There is small time lag between different perspectives. (I may be wrong since there isn’t a direct statement. However, what the story was represented did seem like so to me. Especially in Diego’s perspective, while he even had time to get into the building and went out before leading Wekapipo to the lane. )
2. In each perspective, Diego and Wekapipo’s conversation has slight alternation.
Also, there isn’t a clear panel that shows Wekapipo being brought back to the base universe after shooting the alternate universe Johnny. Same as Diego, if he shot the alternate Johnny. Finally, it isn’t directly shown that the witnesses are brought to base universe from the alternate universes, although it is a possible explanation.
If you can make a video to explain how D4C works, I will truly appreciate!
Actually I think what made Johnny move again was the holy corpse. You see, at the beginnig it is stated that in order for one to become a saint they must cause two miracles after death, and when Johnny recieved the corpse part and learned of tusk and the part's existence, it states that the two miracles Johnny will receive is hos stand, and "his lame feet will move". And many time through the part Johnny was able to move his legs, and in the final fight it was Johnny's motivation, it was basically implied to be a miracle through the part.
That’s possible, but I think the intention was a combination as his mobility symbolised his growth throughout the part, which itself has religious and developmental symbolic references.
And was it lock in a chamber right after he finish the steel ball race?
It was explained in Part 8 that the kid Gyro was trying to save was exchanged for Johnny being able to walk, hence why the kid died at the end
@@umberscore2051 what chapter is that, I must read it
Yeah i dont understand why he thinks spin can make people walk again. Its pretty obvious that the holy corpse made this miracle happen
Your voice makes me feel so happy
He sounds sick
@@alexco.creations4074 do you mean ill or cool?
Vinegar Doppio Ill. Not making fun of his voice, it literally sounds like his nose is plugged up.
@@alexco.creations4074 I get where you're coming from
He sounds racist. Oh, wait a minute...
Lots of the comments in here are weird. Some of them said they experienced different plot like Johnny met Josuke and Giorno. Maybe they are just a JoJo fans from other dimensions that have a different story.
they are just memes lol or they are talking about eoh
kid you're so dumb. JOHNNY MET JOSUKE, JOSUKE, AND GIORNO, AND THEN FOUGHT DIEGO THE PILLAR MAN ALONG WITH DIAVALO BRANDO THE VAMPIRE.
part 6 is amazing, i loved it so much i read it at a slower pace than with part 7
Actual mistake suggestion: When Valentine gets shot by Tusk Act 4, he is constantly struggling to avoid being dragged underground by the infinite spin... except when he's trying to get Johnny to shoot him and cancel out the infinite rotation,
Johnny stops rotationing him?
Yeah that was mostly a plot hole for the moment
@@diegodankquixote-wry3242 counter theory: vs ZA WARUDO and Diego the world
I think that's because Tusk pummeled him so much that he was forced into the ground. Then he left the main universe, but was left in the same spot, so he was stuck underground, which he couldn't leave. Then he eventually went back to the main universe and was back at the crater, so he was above ground. The lack of visible rotation can be explained as a stylistic choice, we still see it being done in a couple panels even when most of him isn't being rotated.
That's just how anime/manga is. Same reason why DIO is able to have several minutes of monologue in stopped time.
you forgot the part when Diego turn 2 guards into dino lamps.
They're fossils
@@Hamon_Beat of course the fossils of dinolamps
@@crimsonkawasaki yes from the flinstones
@@Hamon_Beat I mean, wasnt diego's ability to turn people into dinosaurs, and not dead dinos? And thats not even mentioning the fact he was able to turn them into a specific shape.
Though I agree that the "Araki forgot" meme has kinda gone too far, araki DOES make continuity errors and has admitted to it if Im not mistaken. Its pretty reasonable for someone with araki's workstyle to make several mistakes. I feel like a few of your rationalizations of inconsistancies is a bit too far fetched.
Again, Araki is very talented and the "Araki forgot" meme is getting a bit out of hand, but I feel like you seem to forget that Araki has just plain forgotten some things. Not to the extent the meme alludes to, but he has made mistakes.
Dino lamps are still dinosaurd
1:46
A good example of something like this is Stray Cat's air bullets, because Hyato saw these bullets perfectly fine.
Hayato couldn't see the air bullets. He stated that he could see the air distorting around them, not that he could see the air bullets.
The explanation that he just picks up the horse makes perfect sense and made me laugh hysterically. Thank you. I was actually wondering myself and was unable to put 2 and 2 together between the missing hoof prints and time stop. But considering a horse would move much more in 5 seconds than it does during timestop, it makes perfect sense. Thank you.