Debunking Araki Forgot Extras 5
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ส.ค. 2022
- Clearing up more of the leftover "Araki Forgot" topics.
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How come Ken Oyanagi ( Janken Boy) have a hole because of the Arrow but not anyone else ( outside of Koichi who was healed which explain why)
Rankings? I'd love to see more of your perspective on certain aspects of the franchise in a more opinianated way
@@boubaker7037 The hole did not heal/regenerate because the hole is related to his stand, his stand sucks ⅓ part of the other person's stand when That person loses against Janken Boy in Rock,Paper, Scissors, Janken Boy's Stand (Boy II Man) Sucks the other person's stand through the hole in Janken Boy's Face, That's why the hole did not heal/regenerate.BUT THAT'S JUST A THEORY, A JJBA THEORY!
@@vaishaliumbarkar9759 ohh, that's actually pretty logic !
@@boubaker7037 stray cat had one
The new generation of araki forgot will begin when steel ball ran gets its anime adaptation
More like, David Productions Forgot.
Either that or new manga comes out. JoJo Lands should be coming out soon probably.
Waiting until the small horses are gonna be animated
@@bug9591 I hope they give some explaination to that
Wait for errors in Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap scenes and people blaming Araki for it 💀
I swear, the fanbase does Araki's editor so dirty.
they act like his editor has the brain of okuyasu's dad.
There’s a certain disdain for editors in general in the anime and manga community for some reason. I think has to do with just so much misinformation about what their purpose is. Their just a good thing and are frankly necessary for things to run smoothly. But everybody gets in their feelings when their favorite mangaka doesn’t agree with his editor.
That's why some fans can never be editors since they'll just be idiotic and ruin a series instead
@@manuelcabrera9556 I blame the android saga for misrepresenting editors since 1991 lmao
I think that it might come from horror stories elsewhere in the industry. Akira Toriyama's editor for Dragon Ball Z comes to mind as a famous case of the editor being way too critical and way too nit-picky about the author's work. Akira Toriyama famously had troubles with his editor, particularly during the Cell Saga of Z. His editor was quoted as not liking Andriod 19 and Doctor Gero as the new antagonist, then criticized Androids 17 and 18 for being some stupid kids with superpowers, then I believe he criticized all of Cell's designs until Perfect Cell.
Seeing that ordeal for one of the better-liked authors in the manga industry just makes a lot of people assume that the editors are these micro-managing, harsh, and destructive forces in a writer's team that just forces them to do stuff they don't want to do because it doesn't suit their taste, or they think that the fans wouldn't like something, even though they probably aren't fans of the material themselves.
But I'm glad to hear that Araki had a good relationship with his editor. It sounds and looks like Araki had a lot of freedom to make the series as "bizarre" as he saw fit. And I don't think the series would be the way that it is if the editor had exercised that kind of control over the series.
I'm adding "there used to be this mystical object called a phone book" to my list of iconic Debunking Araki Forgot quotes.
Care to share that list?
@Wonder Of U It was a hypothetical list but some others off the top of my head are
"This Forgot is so ridiculous that if it wasn't proven to me that some people unironically think this, I would've disregarded it" (Forgot: Araki Forgot that Kakyoin knew Leaky Eye Luca)
"It appears I'm going to explain how a refrigerator works" (Forgot: Why don't they just open the fridge to stop Grateful Dead's Stand from working)
Oh and "this has proven to me that some people who claim to have watched JoJo's s actually get all their information from memes." (Forgot: Jotaro's stand was The World but Avdol says "Oh shit that's taken" and changes it.)
@@da_pikmin_coder8367 Lmao, honestly love Hamon Beat's quotes, hope we get more of them
"I find it insane that people actually think the one thing the entire plot hinges on would be completely dropped." - "Did Araki forget the wall eyes?" 😂😂😂😂 one of the funniest thing's he's ever said imo
I like the Nuts and Bolts question, clearly someone who has ACTUALLY read the series and was just picking at something they thought would be fun to explain rather than a speed reader who hasn't even understood the basic.
Yeah that wasn't so much an 'Araki forgot' as it was an 'Araki didn't make this very clear which makes it somewhat confusing to understand '
You can almost tell by the way he talks about it that Hamon Beat probably liked it, too.
Well you could even state the bolts have left metallic residue when unscrewed thus it could be fixed on a smaller level to fix the pipe back into place
@Cornelius Dunwalk-Bottom III being pretentious is fun
It may be that he was repairing the overall pipe, reverting it to its previous state - taking the bolts out was essentially disassembling it. The one button missing from Kira's jacket was considered separate because it was still a button and hadn't changed.
15:41 "Well, believe or not, there's used to be this mystical artifact called the phone book"
I legitimately laughed at this sentence because you made me remember they were a thing back decades ago, let alone in 1999. I think every house or family, at least from my memory alone, had one of those since they were necessary for calling anyone, from jobs to distant relatives, before cellphones were marketed.
I lost my shit at that one too. I was wondering if "these people don't seem to know how a refrigerator works" would ever be topped, but the mad lads actually did it.
Even when cellphones were marketed they were still being used, at least when I was young. It was always a burden to try to find someone’s number, then realize the book hadn’t been update and that the number belongs to someone else now.
Those were the days. Using the Yellow Pages to order pizza 🥲
But when did Hayato even have time to sift through a whole ass phonebook?
@@NihilisticSnake you don't search name from a-z especially since Josuke gave him his full name.
Just find letter -H or the kanji similar to Higashikata
White Snake being a visible Stand makes perfect sense when you realize it’s also an alias for Puuci to give Stand discs to non-users in order to recruit them. If people couldn’t see or hear it this would be a risky process for Puuci himself. It also explains why Puuci orders White Snake so much rather than just acting through it, as though it’s a separate entity he’s controlling.
I never thought of this. It would also explain why it has a different voice in the anime
Also Whitesnake has the ability to disguise Pucci as other people (like when he fooled FF by making her believe he was Weather Report). If Whitesnake wasn't visible, this ability would be very less effective working only against other stand users
So whitesnake is wonder of u before wonder of u?
I would also assume Whitesnake needs to become physical to pick up the gun. It also makes sense that since other people can carry Whitesnake's discs that they would be an extension of Whitensnake himself being physical.
@@mastermitser5693 Isn't Wonder of U supposed to be a King Crimson inspired stand? With the whole protection of identity and fate control stuff?
It’s so funny, when you got to “How did hayato know josukes phone number” and said that Josuke gave his full name I said aloud,”It’s in 1999 they still used phone books” and then you said pretty much the same thing
Surprised Kira never hid the phone book
@@emblemblade9245 why would he do that ?
I was born in the early 2000s. I've never used a landline, and I still know that.
@@emblemblade9245 he did not even know he would use that
Wasn't there a scene in the anime where it shows hayato holding a phone book?
"Araki's editors pressure him to change stuff and Araki is just lying to cover It up"
"Okay strong claims, why don't you back It up with a source?"
*"MY SOURCE IS THAT I MADE IT THE FUCK UP!"*
source: just trust me bro
Imagine a world free from cancel culture, where no-one can cal me out for my outlandish claims. A world where I can say the N word!
Source: it came to me in a dream
i did not know armstrong watched jojo
Source:TikTok
Asking things like ''Why do anime characters shout when powering up?'' is the same as asking for coffee in a coffee bar
Nah its more like asking why the coffee bar sells coffee
@@averonisgaming9023 “why do video game companies sell video games?”
"Why are there tutorial levels"
"Why do you need a coffee machine to make coffee?"
asking for coffeein a bar :COFFEEEEEE
ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
WRYYYY
That’s how most characters talk when powering up so it makes sense
Araki Forgot then: Hamon Beat explains how King Crimson works and the specifics of the Heaven Plan.
Araki Forgot now: Hamon Beat has to explain what common anime tropes are.
What’s worse is it’s hard to tell who’s trolling and who’s genuinely that dense.
I will still remember when he has to explain how a fridge works
Nothing will ever top Hamon Beats explaining that dead crows are not alive
PHONE BOOK.
Hamon Beat has to explain how life works
@@HayatoStarGod he explaining how a fridge works is comedy gold
A lot of Araki Forgots are just things people don't like about the series, framed as if they're mistakes, and not just how the story is.
Jojo fans making the most unfunny araki forgot jokes ever existed
@@ThatKidWolfy JoJo fans making the most unfunny jokes in general to exist
okay but a decent chunk is genuinely confusing stuff
@@ghetoknight7801 ponderous, perhaps, because of how absorbed we are into his world
They can mainly be separated into 4 main categories in my experience
1.Misremebering/Misunderstanding key details
2.Believing unsubstantiated rumors/memes as fact
3. Knowing disingenuous cherrypicking to make things seem worse than they are
4.People not being able to use common sense
Imagine if Yukako's hair was just invisible to people. I'm sure they'd make fun of her.
Koichi would have to become Will Smith
Imagine depending if you ere or not a stand user you see Yukako as Rapunzel or as a bald girl XD.
Hamon Beat quoting every visible Stand in the series was surprisingly hilarious
I was not expecting nearly a third of the known stands in JoJo to actually be visible.
@@jerichtandoc7789 It shouldn't have even been necessary, because Avdol literally explains in the Strength fight (the very first time we see a Bound Stand) that Strength was visible to ordinary people because the amount of spiritual power within the Stand was simply so great and so condensed that normal folks could sense it. The same applies to other Bound Stands like Anubis and Love Deluxe; they are already bound to a physical form, so their spirit power just sort of leaks out.
not every one
True but i was surprised when he mentioned B.I.G.
Always thought that one wasn't visible
@@MasterLu551 It makes sense considering the fact that he basically became a sea monster that normal people know about, sort of like a Bermuda Triangle.
This series is never going to end
It will end when Araki passes away, and I don't want that day will come ever
@@il3fortunato664 Implying new fans won't make mistakes even after Araki passes away.
@@il3fortunato664 bro that’s in at least a thousand years
Let's wait for Jojolands, when the Araki forgots really shine
One day the questions are going to turn into something like "why does star platinum shout ora when it punchs"
Two things:
Firstly I find it weird how hellbend some people are when it comes to Araki Forgot, so much so that they even accuse him of lying in interviews to cover his tracks.
Like why would he do that?
He himself is honest about his work and doesn't really seem to care about his image so the idea that he would lie just because of a "forgotten" detail or a plot hole is just ludicrous to me.
Also in regards to the Pucci question, I think they meant to ask why Pucci wasn't in Egypt during Part 3 to help DIO.
Which the simple explanation being that DIO probably wanted him to work on the Heaven Plan instead since he viewed it as more important than stopping the Joestars who he through he could defeat himself.
Not to speak of the fact that White Snake is not a combat oriented Stand to begin with.
Idk man white snake was looking really professional in that boxing match against the frogs
He do lie
Y'know I sure do see you around lots.
I’m pretty sure hamon beat answered why he wasn’t in Egypt during part 3
@@realo3503true
I do genuinely like the idea that whitesnake is a physical stand, as it really gives the main villain a good parallel to jolyne’s string
With the part about Jotaro and DIO not saying their Stand names all the time, the evocation of it is more than just a Shonen trope (or, at the very least, used to be). Most of the Shonen series to initially utilise this trope such as Kinnikuman, Hokuto no Ken, Dragon Ball and Saint Seiya drew from traditional Japanese martial arts philosophies of which include vocalising your intent through a kiai to make one's strike more potent. JoJo is no different, with Hamon drawing from traditional breathing techniques in martial arts and Stands being an extension of Hamon in some ways. In other words, characters saying their Stand's name when summoning it is primarily an affirmation of how determined they are to succeed with it.
Kinnikuman is ESPECIALLY prevalent with calling out techniques as every other move is either announced by the wrestler or it's stated by the commentators (if present).
Or it just sounds cool to say.
Thanks for sharing this
hell, in a lot of those cases, in their respective original manga, it's obvious that the character's not even saying it, it's actually more like a sound effect, lol
I think for Dio it was really to drive home how busted his power is in actuality when he moved around while talking to Jotaro. It also emphasizes how fast star platinum's punch was to interrupt him before he could activate the stand. At least that's my take on it
hamon beat explaining what a phone book is sums up the state of araki forgots pretty well at this point
trust me, it gets way worse by ten bro
I think that the working of Crazy Diamond can be explained by considering something being fixed as "functional"
The difference between the button and the bolts is that Josuke *didn't* actually fix the bolts: he fixed the pipes.
Since the bolts are a necessary part for the pipes to be functional, they went back to place.
The button by itself doesn't need the specific jacket to be "functional".
I think that if Josuke hit the jacket itself the button would have come back together, because it's the former which *needs* the latter, not the reverse
That's an interesting way to explain it. Now, the question is: does it contradict with any other time Josuke fixed things?
@@robertlupa8273 That'd be an interesting thing to chec
It also makes more sense when you consider how nuts and bolts actually work: by being screwed together. Under most circumstances this is impossible to see with the naked eye, but this action of metal rubbing against metal actually scratches
-and thus damages-the metal, and the result is tiny particles of residue being left behind. My hypothesis is that Crazy Diamond is actually just repairing the nuts and bolts by bringing them to the residue left on each other and in the pipes (as well as the similar traces of pipe left on the building and vice versa).
To the point of visible Stands, I wanna say The Fool would be a similar situation to Aqua Necklace in being visible at least some of the time, since it’s either made of or bound to ambient physical grains of sand around Iggy.
I mean they would see water but not the face forming inside the water, same with the fool looking like a floating lump of sand
I think you wouldn't be able to see its form as Stand-users do (i.e. if Iggy created a sand DIO, a normal person would just see a sand sculpture of DIO).
Ah yes...the ancient artifact known as...The Phone Book. I've heard legends of such a book.
the way he started naming all the stands😭😭
Proof he really knows a lot of knowledge
i swear i felt bad to the commenter
4:02 lmao, can you imagine how weird it would be if non stand users couldn't see Scary Monsters? Diego would look like such a nutjob to all of the SBR's spectators XD
He'd turn into a dinosaur hybrid and just be partially invisible
That would be funny
Well I don't think it's would be that weird. It's just limp bizkit but with dinosaurs instead of zombies.
Easy, he would just get a Dino fursuit
What you see would be:two arms randomly floating,a head that’s been messed up to suit a trexs/velociraptor neck and the rest of Diego’s limbs as one giant leg(the tail)
You know, the Josuke button thing could start and end with 'Josuke didn't think of that so he didn't do it.' I'm sick of people saying 'a character could have done this, so it's a plot inconsistency.' We hold fictional characters to impossible standards and then nitpick writing over it. Just like real life, people make mistakes, people forget things, nobody is perfect.
Worst bit is when it's explained with a hypothetical and they say "THAT IS AN ASSPULL HEADCANON" despite the fact that what they said in itself was just also a headcanon
His work of debunking will never be done it seems.
The ridiculous thing about the hol horse replacing avdol theory (aside from the literal statements of araki saying that wasn’t the case) is that this person just expects the gang to go “ohh you killed avdol? Well you can join our crew now as his replacement” like wtf 😂
if hol horse killed avdol and then tried to join the crusaders he would be jumped on
@@DecisionsRQuestionable *insert part 5 gang kicking a random guy but it's actually the part 3 crew kicking and jumping like a cannon ball into (w)hol(e) horse*
That person is just a dragon ball fan
@@DecisionsRQuestionable bro would be jumped on even if he didn't do either, doing those is begging for the steely dan treatment
Meritocracy
If Josuke can only fix broken objects then how can he fix pasta? 😳
Josuke really calling Tonio cooking trash
I think its rather that in order to cook something, you have to cut ingredients so he's just undoing those cuts
@@averonisgaming9023 I agree; the ingredients in food are really just "damaged" versions of raw products, such as rice or vegetables. No different than Josuke healing missing limbs or reattaching mechanical parts of an object.
@@mrreyes5004 If Josuke can reverse meals to their ingredients, then he could probably reverse the nuts and bolts to iron and whatever else they're made of... Unless there was too much time in between like with his blood in the fight with Kira. Either way, it seems like Josuke chooses exactly how he wants to "reverse" the "damage" of something.
@@mrreyes5004 well that's a weird way to think about it, but is true
he turned tomato sauce into a wholeass tomato
The ones that always get me are the people saying suchandsuch forgotten thing is "proven" by some paraphrased quote they reference second hand, but then say a direct sourced interview which contradicts their example is just "araki was lying." So Araki's own words are a valid source when they prove you right, but an invalid source when he proves you wrong?
Yes, this is why people still argue over DIO being bisexual when it was confirmed he was in two separate interviews (sources are on jojowiki). Then they'll say "Araki said in an interview that DIO would be a good dad to Giorno" in the same breath, when Araki never said anything close to that
There was this guy rambling about how Joseph never used hypnosis like LisaLisa with SuzieQ or Caesar with that lady to beat anyone and I was like: ...what?
I guess they want Joseph to go around kissing people all series.
@@phoenixanimationz Joseph’s already a player, he doesn’t need hypnosis.
@@TheDigitalApple that's true
Luckily not the clackers
(You probably already knew this) Lisa Lisa didn't use Hypnotism she used The Ripple to read Suzie Q's mind. Second Joseph is not the type to hypnotise people unlike the worst Jobro Ceaser.
I simply love how Hamon Beat gets more savage with each video.
Lmao word up
My personal interpretation of the button debacle of Part 4 is that the Button was not considered broken because it was missing the jacket, only that the jacket was considered broken because it was missing the button. A button can function just as well on any jacket, but a jacket without a button by definition doesn't function as well.
Good point
Under your logic, the nut for the pipe wouldn't have worked. It's not your fault tho, crazy diamond is a pretty heady ability
@@reillocb No, by that logic if you were to hit the jacket the button would re-attach, but if you hit the button the jacket wouldn't re-attach to the button
@@barryallen2240 the thing you're missing with that take is that what crazy diamond hits is what does the moving. He didn't hit kira's hand to cause kira to fly, he hit the hand so then the hand would fly.
@@reillocb well, a hand DOES need a body to be usable. Only because a sentient hand doesn't exist. It needs to be attached to a body, therefore a hand and body are interchangeable on this occasion. A button however is independent of any article of clothing, and this jacket DOES need this particular button to be used. I see OP's side for sure. I understand where you're coming from, too, but a hand and body are not necessarily the same as button and jacket.
another thing about Koichi: I don't think he would have survived the arrow without Josuke being there. part of that I think informs why Koichi had such growth potential, psychic abilities weren't natural so he had to grow it more like learning a skill.
That actually makes a lot of sense considering that Echoes is one of the only two Stands to have Acts, meaning that Koichi actually did need to cultivate his fighting spirit. Almost all other Stand users already had the potential when they were born (either awakened Stands normally or chosen by the Arrow). But Koichi wasn't actually picked by the Arrow, and Josuke saving him meant that he had to start out with a very weak ability until he could grow it.
Ya know I find it so fitting that a lot of the “Araki forgot” is used in spite of interviews and actually information by Araki. But that quote where Araki states he’s forgetful and has to reread some of his material is from an interview he had during The serialization SBR. I don’t even know why this was such a big deal at the time. Almost every long running mangaka has stated that they forget what they wrote. Hell even a guy like Oda straight up forgot an important piece of information that he later said he thought he revealed. I don’t know why it’s so hard for people to imagine that mangaka can forget their stories. Especially when some of these series are like 20+ years old.
I never saw any Mangaka forget something about his own series and say it in interviews, oda most of the times forshadow things, you used the worst Mangaka you could as an example
@@yassirbeniaz6645 I’m referring to the fact that Oda straight up forgot to reveal kids devil fruit. He said in an Sbs that he just forgot and thought he revealed it already. And you seriously haven’t read enough long running manga if you’ve never heard an author at least mention this. I used Oda as an example because he’s not a guy that you expect to forget things with the way he writes his story and his track record. And if you want some examples Toriyama stated he forgot what he had written many times during dragon balls release, same thing with Toriko’s author during his run. I’ve seen multiple mangaka say this. And it makes a lot of sense these guys are constantly thinking about what’s next that they don’t always have the time I appreciate what they’ve written.
@@yassirbeniaz6645 and you never thought that, instead of foreshadowing, what Oda does is simply read back his own work and see which topics would be interesting to expand on? He is not a god who knows everything, he just knows how to connect stuff most of the time
@@yassirbeniaz6645 bruh same with people who say araki forgot when they are the one who forgot
Before you ask an “Araki forgot” question, ask yourself: would this question also apply to another series and if so, do fans of that series question it?
Example: the Time Stop “taking longer” than what it should. Basically the same logic applies to the whole “this planet will explode in 5 minutes” thing in DBZ
It's the sort of thing I can see being kind of a pet peeve for people but treating it as any sort of genuine issue not only feels petty but a fundamental misunderstanding of the media you're engaging with.
Though tbf in dbz's case the anime REALLY did push it with the 5 minutes thing lol
Its a Strategy of Frieza to make Goku Use all his strenght so he is more worn out
So he lied and im sure Goku cant Track time when hes fighting in the Frieza Saga
I’d like to add my head cannon to this which is that
The world and star platinum give you the ability to move in stopped time rather than just giving you the ability to stop time
So you can get 5 seconds worth of actual work done in time stop
And you’re not actually doing involved movement you’re just standing there talking so it doesn’t drain your stamina
Yeah because you need dialogue during the fights, wouldn't be great if they just don't say anything during the time stop
@@huwutao8726 Matpat Meatrider??
Wow the Josuke araki forgot is an actual legitimate question based off a real misunderstanding of a flawed ability. More of that and less "Why do they scream so much"
but why when josuke fixed okuyasu's hand okuyasu came to him, but when he did the same for kira the hand went to kira.
Pretty sure he talked about that in the Part 4 Araki Forgot episode though I could be wrong
@@emblemblade9245 he didnt mention the nuts and bolts part in that video, but i do remember him mentioning the button
@@projekttaku1
I think that there are two general rules (though this is just an educated guess):
1. If nothing outside of gravity is affecting any of the pieces (so no one is grabbing it and it’s not buried in the ground or stuck in a wall), the heaviest/largest piece is the part that doesn’t move.
2. If one or more pieces are being prevented from moving by something else holding onto it or something, the most held-in-place part is what stays in place even if it is not the largest part.
Putting it another way, his ability takes the easiest way out and moves whatever is easiest to move.
So, with Kira, nothing was holding his hand in place, so the hand moved to the rest of Kira’s body (since the body is heavier and larger than the hand), but with Okuyasu, his hand was being held in place, so Okuyasu was dragged towards his hand.
That’s how I think it works, anyways. I could be wrong; it’s not like I follow the series that closely.
@@bhull242 that's actually pretty smart.
My question was why they didn't just grab the hand so kira would be pulled towards them, but I guess you could say it was moving too fast.
Thank you!🙇♂
I swear, man. Sometimes, it's almost like people choose to be stupid.
Ironic how you would be like them if those videos didn't exist, stupidity and ignorance are different things bud
not like they cant turn it off either
I swear, man. Sometimes, it's almost like some people are just trolling to see how far Hamon Beat will go.
"You can have wisdom for Tuppence, but prefer ignorance"
C.S Lewis's teacher
The Araki lied comment made me sad.
Sometimes, you try discussing things with people just to be hit with a similar remark and realize you wasted your time.
There is just a really ugly stubborn cynicism that exists in people once they get an idea in their head that causes them refuse to acknowledge that it might not be accurate to reality or reason.
They would rather assume the worse in someone/something rather than admit they might be wrong or making an unfair/uneducated assumption, or even that there are different ways of looking at a situation.
People doubling down on their opinion even when they're proven wrong is so annoying
@@kingoftropes922 I feel like a bunch of people have an idea that makes them feel super clever but when they're confronted with the fax they can't cope or let go of it and would rather C-Moon logic from the inside out to reaffirm their beliefs so that satisfaction won't go away.
It's kinda pathetic imo because it makes it look like you need those hot takes to feel smart.
@@fishsona Yup, 'tis called the Backfire Effect and it is very sad.
The camera scene in the Stone Ocean anime I believe can be justified since Jolyne's strings are part of her body, and are therefor visible. It's easy to think of it as displaced body mass like Doctor Wu in part 8.
Ngl I just assumed she moved the camera with the strings
Thing is though, near the start of part 6, she asks guards why they couldnt see her string when it was caught on something
@@averonisgaming9023 this is an interesting question, it seems sometimes jolyne's string is visible and sometimes it's not, so we can draw 2 possible conclusions from this:
1: jolynes string was simply invisible at certain points as it was developing into a full stand.
2: jolyne can decide wether the string is visble or not
If I were to venture a guess about when and why Jolyne's string is visible or invisible, I think it would have to do with whether it's her actual body turning into string or her stand turning into string. Sometimes Jolyne summons stone free and unravels the stand and other times her stand is bound to her and her body itself unravels.
So my guess is that the string is invisible when it's the stand unraveling, and it is visible when it's her body that is unraveling. I could be wrong tho.
But they aren't visible, wich is why nobody ever talks about them, like how in the beginning when the guards were stealing from ermes in the bus, nobody saw the strings cut a guys ear off
15:28 Fun fact, when my best friend and I were first watching the Part 4 anime, this was the most hyped we got, seeing that Josuke and Kira were finally gonna throw down. Needless to say, *I hate this Araki Forgot very much.*
I like that they say that "Araki is human too so he can lie" when the same logic can be applied to why they are wrong
I have one. I saw a meme video about okuyasu deleting his father. Then someone basically commented "isn't it ironic that the villian would be more effective at killing okuyasu's father." of course a bunch of people commented not understanding that killer queen destroys shit on a microscopic level.
Thats not the dumbest part. One person basically said "why would it matter if it's on the microscopic level. He would just heal anyway." yes someone was so stupid they actually thought okuyasu's father could regenerate... FROM BEING DESTROYED ON THE MICROSCOPIC LEVEL.
That isn't just not understanding Jojo. That's not understanding basic logic.
Because yes, destroying something from a microscopic level and leaving no evidence is still enough for Okuyasu’s dad to heal
@@elipse371 uhm we dont even know he regenerates so he might be able to 🤓🤓🤓
@@bibbagamer1284 Well no he doesn't regenerate pain doesn't just affect him, and even if he did its not like he will be able to regenerate from being blow into mirco bits and pieces it's not like he's Muzan.
@@arrividerci_ it was a joke
@@bibbagamer1284 oh my bad, sorry
An easier way to explain the time stop thing is that "moving in time stop" is not a separate ability from stopping time. They are the same ability, you need to activate your own time stop in order to move within stopped time.
So you mean dio and jotaro time stopped in the same exact time? Jotaro cannot move in time stop whitout using time stop itself, so to use it he must do it on the same moment
@@yassirbeniaz6645 he timed stop RIGHT after dio, dio cant move in jotaros time stop.
@@yassirbeniaz6645 Araki did this weird thing that if you can stop time, then you can "perceive" in stopped time without activating your ability.
So if you can time stop, you could see inside of timestop but you won't be able to move until you activate your ability.
It's like a seperate world
Its like a buff you can apply to yourself, with a different duration for different people. If anyone in the entire universe have this buff applied the tme is stopped. You can still be conscious during timestop if you just have timestop ability, like a small passive bonus added to an active ability. You can press this ability in any time to apply the buff. You can move in stopped time only if you have the buff. So if someone stops time just after you just stopped it yourself, the ability is in the cooldown (your stand lost its stamina to move you in the timestop) and you cannot apply the buff to move in the stopped time, while that said someone else can
What about c moon?
On the subject of characters shouting the names of their Stands: obviously that exists as a trope in anime and manga in general and well predates JoJo, however I will add that after the ending of the Part V anime and deciding to read the Stone Ocean manga (that being probably one of the first manga I'd read, that or Chainsaw Man, I can't quite remember which), I found that them exclaiming the names of their abilities made it much easier to make sense of the action in certain scenarios where it may not have been as obvious what was going on without it, especially when one considers how esoteric some Stand abilities can be - seeing a character shout their ability followed by a still image of a strange effect or set of actions not logically set up hitherto (they are ghostly projections) helps link it in the reader's mind as a cause to effect - as, in animated media action can be shown more clearly through typical progression of movement, a manga or graphic novel doesn't have the same advantage, and so active progression of movement and action needs a bit more of a clever execution behind it to help make it apparent.
Also, I will add that the trope somewhat exist in Western media as well, typically in the form of a wizard shouting out the name of a spell to cast it, followed by the same fact that more advanced wizards don't need to say the name of the spell.
I just started One Piece, and honestly, having Luffy yell every different Gum-Gum ability is pretty useful to tell what he's doing lol
Bro you're so right
People who only watch anime often forget how manga is a completely different medium
Once i started reading the manga it opened my eyes to a lot of these things
I now want to make a bound stand that takes the form of a phone book.
It’s quite honestly sad people still believe in Araki forgot.
It's for da memes
@@erenattacktitan4964 or to hate on a part they don't like lol
@@DanielFerreira-ez8qd yeah, that too
Yeah it's bad because self titled "jojo fans" will see the memes and believe it's true
It's quite honestly sad how people watch some videos of a random guy and automatically think araki never forget thing, hamon beat is a human being lol, probably a lot of things he say are wrong since a lot of them are assumptions
Seeing and hearing the phrase "phone books" again made me fucking feel old despite only being born in 98. I AM 23, I SHOULDN'T FEEL LIKE THIS--
Phone books weren't that long ago, you really shouldn't feel old over them lol
Man, living with those ancient artefacts sounds so difficult
I agree a lot! Literally only my grandparents have old copies of those books and I was born on 2000!
I like the fact the people who asked that question are born in late 2000’s which made me laugh my ass off so much. Sometimes they forget that scene from Back to the Future where Marty reaches out to Docs number in a phone number in the year 1955. Phone books are very ancient and still a little reliable today.
@@machina5 the idea of phone books has been around since 1878, i think that's pretty long ago
The whole ''Yelling the name of the skill/spell/ability/stand'' thing is actually to intimidate the opponent since if you hear someone yelling something like, I don't know, ''Purple storm of destruction'' or whatever while you are fighting them, and then you see a purple light coming out of their hands you definitely are gonna be intimidated at the very least, which will help your opponent strike you because fear causes people to stop, or you are just gonna run away, since that's another thing fear can cause.
I died at the phone book part. Still weird to think those are starting to be forgotten
I think that if josuke was fixing the jacket, the button would come with it, but seeing as the button is separate, trying to fix the button won't bring it back to the sute
@@averonisgaming9023 The button is a complete object without a jacket and therefore cannot be repaired. A severed hand is not a complete thing
@@librask3009 i am a fool that forgot that.
Please excuse my tom foolery
So like, the button is part of the jacket, but the jacket isn't part of the button
@@blokvader8283 Pretty much
@@librask3009 Except some object still return even if they are whole by themsleves. The screws that Haverst takes out of the pipe during the fight with Okuyasu/Josuke go back to their place, even though they, as the buttons, are technically not part of the pipe. Honestly, if CD didn't fix buttons back into clothes, then Hayato's buttons would not remain attached to his shirt after exploding.
I guess sometimes Josuke's powers just worl and that's it
This series never disappoints, it's amazing how much research you're both able and willing to make to keep misinformation from spreading
Bound Stands: **Exists**
JoJo normies: _What the f**k did you just bring upon this cursed land?_
15:41
Phonebooks [exists]
JoJo fans [confused screaming]
8:26 what actually happened was that Dio’s time stop ended at the 9 second mark, where Jotaro immediately stopped time afterward. Dio then keeps counting “10 seconds” and “11 seconds” believing that his two seconds of movement are part of his time stop, but they aren’t. Once his two seconds end, Jotaro attacks him
Yeah, Jotaro essentially tricked DIO into thinking that he had achieved the infinite Time Stop.
How I like to think of it is that Jotaro only moved 2 seconds out of his full 5 seconds while DIO was time stopped, then began moving those last 3 seconds after DIO's time expired.
dio actually has 11 seconds of time stop, moving in time stop is essentially just stopping time in someone elses time stop
@@darkmatter9643 You can't stop time in time stop bruh
@@alfastor4532 how did you think time stop movement worked lol? you thought it was a separate ability? why do you think jotaro proclaimed that dio's time stop lasted 11 seconds being 2 seconds into jotaros time stop, if you don't think you can time stop in time stop you need to watch or read part 3 again
The part where you just listed off visible stands had me fucking dead
I always assumed the nuts and bolts were welded together to create 1 object. That’s how Crazy Diamond could put it back together.
If they were welded together, I doubt Harvest could've removed them se easily.
@@jacobwansleeben3364 Who knows? Stands are strong.
I forgot half of these existed
For the monolog in time stop one, I say that the anime adaptation had stretched it out so we viewers can fully understand the scene/s
8:40 Imagine the fight scene without all the Stand-name-shouting and/or long dialogues. It'd literally just be 2 episodes of just huffing and sighing, which would not only be boring but also kind of weird. Consider this: It's an anime, not a reality show. It's there to enjoy, not to complain about.
18:20 In an earlier Araki forgot, you established that Jolyne is Made out of her strings/her strings are made of her. Since normal people can see her, it is likely that her strings can somehow be seen like this aswell. Thought i might add that.
19:05 I think the reason he wanted to retreat would be that he doesn't want people to see an invisible force beating up somebody dead.
Weird thing is that the guards at the start of the series couldnt see her string when it got caughton something as well as her using stone free to make a bridge which the other prisoners commented that she was walking on water.
Yeah, every single time *"Sutaru Purachina: Za Warudo"* is yelled, it's so glorious
@@averonisgaming9023 Could have been That the string was Too thin to see, especially since the sky was bright blue aswell, aswell as the water in these scenes. Also who would think that if they saw this string, it's real and not just reflections?
Why would he care if anyone saw an invisible force beating the shit out of someone? It wouldn't have any negative effect for him. Not like anyone else would believe those guards, they'd be considered crazy and sent to a psyche ward. He literally has no reason to care unless they can see him
While there will always be people that do not understand, your videos are extremely helpful and well done. Your channel is a video encyclopedia of the series, and your work of debunking is great, keep it up!
Dude, seriously, the way you talk, you sound so smug and I LOVE it. Please never change. I think I made this comment on one of your other videos a while back but I don't remember
I've been one of those people who believed that White Snake is a visible stand for years and I'm glad Hamon Beat is shedding light on it.
You're the kind of guy that if you were a teacher, students would be afraid to ask questions lol
i love this series! it makes me appreciate all the effort and attention to detail that normally goes over my head when reading.
Evil Hamon Beat be like:
Confirming Araki Forgot
A lot of people dont really understand what Stands are. There more so an ability rather than a "tangible" thing. Stands like Star Platinum are an expression of the users will that encompase the ability and some Stands ability are contingent on the Stand being a figure of some kind.
For instance Jotaro doesnt need Star Platinum to stop time, but Giorno needs Gold Expierence to bring life to things
Agreed. It's easy to think of Stands as just entities made of energy that users can summon, but it's really more complicated and nuanced than that. Hamon Beat himself made two whole videos explaining that what exactly defines a Stand isn't as cut-and-dry as saying "a punching ghost that you can call out of yourself".
Giorno doesn't need to call out his Gold Experience's form to give life. Remember Giorno's backstory where he subconsciously grew the grass taller to hide the mafioso? Gold Experience didn't manifest yet at that time
Stands seem to be mostly described either as psychic abilities or somewhat of an extension of yourself, which I think makes sense by looking at how you gain a stand in the first place, the natural way is awakening your stand ability out of necessity, like with characters like Tonio or Aya, who developed their stands by mastering a craft, there's also the heritage thing, which I think is pretty much the same as inheriting any other ability from your relatives, like the son of a good cook having some natural ability with cooking, ironically the most artificial way to obtain a stand would be the arrow, tho it's not far from the traditional way to get it, since the arrow basically puts your life at risk, forcing your body to develop a stand ability to survive, again out of necessity, it's very interesting to think about it
Except Giorno doesn't need GE's form to bring life to things either, he uses his own hands to activate his ability, but that GE counts as an extension to his own hands. Stands are essentially extensions of the user, which is why they are stronger the closer they are to the user, since they are closer to just being the user using their own limbs. This isn't the same for every stand of course. But most all abilities don't require a form to function, but users will still manifest a form anyways because why not, it's useful. Like your soul is already in the form of your body and the stand ability is already a part of your soul, it should be simple to make it take that form.
Probably my fav series on the internet.
I love you hamon beat
For Jolyne's string covering the camera - it could also be implied that she moved it away from their view
I could watch these for years
16:00 in all honesty this seems less like a case of Araki playing 4d chess and more that he did forget that little detail of the stand interactions, but conveniently the story worked out anyway.
Why this one specifically when the information in question is literally the centerpoint of the fight?
I literally feel like crap and when I saw this I was like “YES”
The amount of sass in this video is unprecedented.
I’m pretty sure Silver Chariot Requiem was also able to be seen by non stand users
I’d lean towards it being invisible to non-stand users, especially with the actual light orb part of the stand
@@elipse371 I may just be making this up so correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t it stated in the anime (I haven’t read the part 5 manga yet) that it was? Oh also on the wiki it says “Bucciarati notes that Chariot Requiem is fully materialized and thus ordinary people can see and interact with it.”
@@Unable-rz4jc Я позавчера досмотрел эту часть, и в аниме Бруно действительно упоминает об этом. Про мангу не знаю
@@Unable-rz4jc You didn't make that part of CR up.
@@Unable-rz4jc I always thought that Stands had to be bound to physical object in order to be seen physically, and so Chariot Requiem should be invisible, but considering the light orb thing, where CR is basically your shadow. Then surely other people can see it as well since they all have a soul? But considering that Wonder of U can be seen and isn't a bound stand (as far as we know), then maybe there is more to stands being visible than previously thought. Like I never considered the possibility that White Snake was a visible stand like he apparently is, or that Jolyne's string could be invisible despite being made out of her body.
Araki: *says something*
People: lies!!!
Oda: *says something*
People: omg foreshadowing
Why Jolyne didn't use Soft & Wet to use bombs to kill Dire in Part 69: Phantom Nuts?
Because it's the same stand as star platinum
I love these videos. Can't wait for part 6
I think with Josuke’s ability, the button technically isn't broken as the button itself is whole so him using the ability on it would have no effect. While with the pipe he used it on the pipe directly. If he used it on the suit the button would come back as the suit is considered broken with the button. But the button doesn't need the suit to be a button. So it's considered whole.
For koichi's family not getting stands, it was probably that he wasn't gonna get a stand and die but Josuke healing him made him get a stand anyways.
It's been said plenty of times before that in order for the familial stand awakening to work there needs to be a strong psychic connection or a fated entanglement. Just because someone is able to awaken a stand it doesn't mean their family could or would, which is why the psychic distress signal from Jonathan's body was such a big deal in how it affected the family
I was wheezing my lungs out when you started naming all of the physical stands, truly the god of destruction
0:32-DIO's HYpNotism
1:45-Fleshbuds dYiNg in sunlight
2:09-Joseph's damaged mechanical hand
2:45-Stand's visibility
4:23-Avdol's father
6:56-Restricting Dan of Steel
7:19-Vanilla Ice becomes a vampire and not a zombie
7:53-Moving within someone else's timestop
8:39-Dramatically naming one's stand
9:11-Time stop monologuing
9:31-Psychic link
11:15-Removing Aqua Necklace
12:04-Krazy Diamond's ability
14:49-Kira's hand after Cinderella
15:20-Hayato finds Josuke's phone number
15:49-Trish and Bucciarati inside turtle in Babyface fight
16:37-Pouring cold drinks to slow down aging
17:00-Purple Haze Feedback- Zuchero and Sale alive
18:16-Jolyne covering the camera in GooGoo dolls fight
18:35-McQueen seeing White Snake
19:17-Pucci coming to Egypt
19:31-Psychic link between Pucci and Weather
20:05-Does Johnny know Diego?
20:33-Johnny's birthmark never exposed
21:26-Marks on trees in Mandom
22:00-Soundman+Diego combo attack
22:28-Searching in Daiya's phone
Araki totally forgot about the character Deez. he introduced them and just forgot, LAZY WRITER
Also he just abandoned candace, she was so good too
@@JackDaDripper and when Joseph caught ligma in part 2, he went nowhere with that plot thread...
8:57 I legit feel bad for Hamon Beat. Some of these questions don't need a guy this versed in the Jojo-verse to address. A simple re-read would sort it out. The one about Dio's time stop and Vanilla Ice's vampirification was definitely from someone skimming or not understanding it in their read. Araki loves to have his characters explain - sometimes in the form of "tell more than show." Polnareff smack talks Vanilla Ice for becoming a vampire by taking Dio's blood (as well as going wild) and Jotaro himself talks about stopping time at the last second.
This is a good (if not one of the best) manga. Skim at your own peril.
I love how passive aggressive Hamon Beat gets 😭😭😭
8:55 It's pretty much like when Ben shouts his Aliens' Names when he transforms, Is just because he likes to, not because is necessary
I think when it comes to Jojo that Jotaro and Dio scream their time stop ability, it’s prob because it’s harder to notice stopped time in a manga form.
Hamon beat: i can do this all day
I love the extra effort in going through all the seeable stands 😂
Neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
"Mystical artifact" i laughed so hard
lol makes it sound like the stone mask
Intergalactic heirloom legendary chroma relic mythical vestige object in your whole big laughing mouth
18:54 White Snake retreats when he hears the guards because Pucci would be seen there.
ur a legend hamon beat so funny plz dont stop
I'm a little late but I have a question. When DIO uses his blood to heal Vanilla Ice, is it his own blood or is it still Johnathans blood? Or is it somewhere in the middle?
Somewhere in the middle, I suppose. But really, your head can't have that much blood, so it's technically Jonathan's blood in terms of how much there is.
I can’t believe you forgot that Jotaro’s classmate (the one that got attacked with the pen by the nurse) was also the guy who saved Josuke
And Kakyoin’s friend who got his eye injured
And Leaky Eye Luca.
Just trolling but I do believe the first one. He has a pompadour at about the right time. Perhaps he moved up to Morioh after the nurse attacked him.
If you think its bad being Araki, imagine being his editor.
“The editor pressured him to-“
“The editor forced him to-“
“The editor-“
Like you don’t think if Araki was pressured by an Editor, he’d assert himself as the AUTHOR of the manga and get a new editor.
While I agree the editor isn't that bad ( even though he sometimes asked him to change things, like he Didn't really liked Josuke's hairstyle), it is very hard to change editor like that, especially in the world of mangas
I love how you can hear the disappointment in some of the explanations. But at the same time, this actually had a couple good questions, like the josuke pipe and white snake visibility ones.
Love your videos man
Hamon Beat must share the same brain as Araki or something because his ability to perfectly understand the way things work and their limits in Jojo's is very impressive
just have to say, I love your tone when calling out people who are not using their brain cells!
Lmaoooo it's so sad people don't know what a phone book is great work HB you always know how to make me laugh.
That phone book line really got me!