It’s just two good mates who say “we’re mates” and you believe a lot of it in this until they start screaming at eachother - me everytime I watch Mr Sunday Movies
My favorite theory of the "high ground" part is that in Return of the Jedi when Luke is above Vader on a platform, Vader is like "fuck that shit" and chucks his saber at him LOL
the whole "high ground" thing relates to real estate: property situated at elevation tends to value higher. So it's a psychological ploy by Kenobi; he irritates Anakin by claiming his net worth is likely to outpace the younger man's
I was in high school when this came out and went to see the movie with my friend. As soon as my friend heard the noise the giant iguana made...he emulated it super loud and was super good at it. At first people laughed. But then he did it again and again. Everytime there was a lul on screen you would just hear that iguana sound. Nothing I said could get him to stop. "Anakin...you're breaking my heart..." *Crazy loud iguana sound*
I can't't imagine anyone surviving doing more than 4 of those at a busy cinema. First may be funny, second is unwaranted but the audience assumes the non-reaction should put an end to it, third indicates we're dealing with an irrational imbecile who is taking the piss now and ruining the movie experience and a fourth is rage triggering and inviting mob justice.
Ha!!while I'm sure at the time that 3rd,4th,5th,etc iguana sounds was enough to make you sink down of embarrassment I imagine it makes u smile everytime u think of it now!that is hilarious though
The fact that Ben and Laurence were able to find that specific page of the specific encyclopedia that Maso was talking about genuinely caught me off guard. Phenomenal editing job as always!!
I am sorry. I love the editors. But I hate when people do not understand what is easy and what is difficult in life. This would have been so fucking easy to do. How many encyclopedias containing a Count Dooku chapter exist?! Two?! Maybe three?! I don't understand why people find simple shit difficult.
@@SDfan2002 When you come out of the theater saying "eh, it could have been worse"... not sure that's the level of magic that Hollywood is straining for. But we'd been kind of hoping against hope that we'd get a decent one. People WANTED to like these movies.
19:00 - This is my favourite part of the movie. Dude with the green light sabre does the biggest windup in history as if he's trying to hit a home run all while he could've casually poked Palpatine in the side and killed him. Priceless scene.
The novel described some kind of sith mind fuckery that he performed on them, i guess Lucas and the editor just thought this fight looks faster than it actually is
@@TheHowlingEye It was done the way that it was because the actor, Ian Mcdermid, had no skill or proficiency with handling a lightsaber, so they had to make due.
As an actual Sabre fencer that scene is painful to watch. IF one fought like these Jedi in real life even with a light sabre vs light sabre they'd die pretty damn fast and deserve to. NEVER turn your back on a foe and never telegraph an attack UNLESS you are confident in the stupidity of your opponent and are feinting. Those suicidal moves seem to be standard fare for Jedis and Sith alike And finally never waste movement when wounding an opponent like you suggested is the best course of action Edit: not to mention that light sabres require no wind up at all. Power cuts are meaningless and a light cut/ thrust is just as effective as a heavy one. Why waste the energy. Light sabres imply finesse but you rarely see it in these "duels". I'd always aim for hands and legs personally
I'd love to see a Caravan of Garbage for: 1. Jurassic Park franchise 2. Pirates of the Caribbean frinchise 3. Batman Mask of the Phantasm 4. Ghost Rider 1 and 2 5. Hellboy 1, 2 and reboot
I can't believe they didn't talk more about the battle of Kashyyyk... Alas the everlasting question remains: "What about the droid attack on the Wookiees?"
What would they have said about it though? They're right in that the only functions the Kashyyk scenes have is to show Yoda being on another planet, and to show Chewbacca for fanservice. They could talk about how the cgi is good I guess? It's a big battle scene we barely see anything of, and ultimately doesn't matter to the plot at all.
After watching all nine movies recently, I can confirm that Ian McDiarmid's facial expressions during Palpatine's fights are the best part of every movie
I say, insert Ian McDiarmid's facial expressions into every scene in star wars. like how they had a sign language speaking person in the top right corner of the screen? same thing... except it's Ian McDiarmid. and he isn't helping anybody
@@jesse_reznor True, how much more believable would Anakin hating sand be if it were accompanied by a maniacal contortion of McDirmid's face. Same with the scene where Leia kisses Luke: his expression would be like a Greek chorus speaking the feelings of the audience.
@@spaceghostcqc2137 I cannot argue with your statement. you are 100% accurate. my retort is simply an imitation of Palpatine... "Vader... it has a good mouth feel... yeeeesssss... YEEEEEESSSSSSSSS..... *SHOOTS LIGHTENING* AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!"
I like how you say, “bring in some of the loose cannon Jedi“ and when you do that you show Kitt Fisto, one of the guys who is immediately murdered lmao
I'm really happy for Ewan and Hayden. They've talked about how the amount of green screen in the prequels was difficult work, and then they weren't appreciated for their work at the time. But now, with the Kenobi series, to go back and to have practical sets (and the virtual screen sets that Mando and Boba Fett used) must be so exciting, and to hear how excited the fans are, how much appreciation they have for their work in the prequels. I'm just really glad for them.
They just replaced green screen with the Volume tech, I would argue that all Prequel movies minus Rots used more practical set locations than the show. Rots was 100% shot in Sydney on a sound stage.
@@joshimura1995 well, with the volume, an actor can at least visualize their location/setting more clearly than with green screen. Probably helps with performance a bit.
@@pazz That's one of the big annoyances of the Prequels. People are staring into space because there's nothing really to look at. Grievous the Robot Man pulls out four lightsabers, and Ben just stands there, and you can tell he's not looking at an actual object. It's hard to act impressed by the monster if you can't see it.
Well the problem is they would immediately be treated as terrorists, he had to stand trial in front of the senate and the courts. Sure it’s a simple thought but this is another element Lucas meant to portray by how bureaucracy in the Republic is a major issue.
People are always sitting or walking around in these rooms with huge windows, in a city where it's normal for all sorts of mechanical things to be flying by at high altitude. They do this even when their lives are in danger, such as when idiotic Padme sleeps in a room with a view so that giant centipedes can get in to assassinate her. Everyone is so stupid in this movie that it feels like it was written by a school child who really just wanted to draw cool robots and make up a story about them. I used to write stories about dragons when I was a child. They sucked.
I'm surprised you didn't mention one of the funniest scenes in the movie; is when Yoda enters Palpatine's chambers and he just force pushes the two gaurds😂 great stuff
Ian McDiarmid absolutely carries this film, and the main thing that gets in its way is that once he gets the withered-face prosthetic he can't act quite as effectively through it. But there's a reason the "Darth Plagueis the Wise" speech became meme fodder: it's actually really good, easily the most memorable moment in the whole prequel trilogy, with a lot of implications the movies never entirely followed up on.
I love the part during the duel between Palpatine and Mace Windu where Anakin is making his way to Palpatine's office and he's running, and suddenly out of nowhere loses all sense of urgency and starts mall walking. Its so funny to me.
It's an incredibly funny scene on its own but the SWELL of the music makes me actually get engaged, and when I think about that I laugh even harder because he literally just goes from running to walking
The single best scene in the prequels is Anakin alone with his thoughts in the Council Chamber. Coincidentally there's limited/no dialogue. Hayden Christensen is just allowed to act and Williams' ominous score plays throughout. It's so good and so different I'm convinced it was the 2nd Unit Director in charge that day.
It's nothing new, it's just a different version of the twin sunsets which lucas puts in all of the star wars films. Why make random shit up 'it's something I like therefore it wasn't lucas because it just wasnt okay' Lucas wanted this scene, he says so in the commentary.
The two of them staring across the city at each other is the strongest chemistry the two share across all three movies, and they're miles apart in different buildings with no dialogue.
I love the bit when Anakin is apologising to Obi-Wan about being an arrogant little shit, then Obi-Wan replies that he's strong and brave and how proud of him he is. It's really touching. Then in the very next scene Anakin's at home with Padme he senses that Obi-Wan had been there, and he's like, "WHAT THE FUCK WAS OBI-WAN DOING HERE?!" Like that whole apology meant nothing lol
I honestly can't tell if Anakin is meant to be emotionally inept because of the Jedi, or if the way he's portrayed just makes him look like that way...
@@wayfaringstranger8430 I don't think he's meant to be portrayed like that. Look at the Clone Wars show. George Lucas was heavily involved in it, but Anakin doesn't come across as socially inept _at all_ , because George had people to keep him in check, like Dave Filoni, among others. George is a visionary, but he should have worked with other writers and directors for the prequels to help tell his story in the best way possible. And I'm saying this as someone who loves the prequels. This is just what I think though, I could be way off the mark.
Lucas' writing for you. Too much of what he did in this trilogy feels like a first draft script. A shit ton of ideas, set pieces, characters, and story elements haphazardly thrown together. Too many characters changing attitudes or positions simply because the plot needed them to
@@razorfett147 That's simply not the case. Throughout the trilogy we see that Anakin resents Obi Wan (partially due to the chancellors' influence). Sure, he loves the guy in a familial way, but he also sees him as someone that can't be fully trusted with the things he can trust Palpatine with. So when Anakin gets a vision of Padme dying and Obi Wan being there, it ramps up his paranoia. I don't know where this idea comes from that the prequels are poorly thought out.
This retrospective has made me realize how much they missed by not having more Anakin+Padme+Obiwan trio stuff. Obi-wan was replaced with Qui-gon for a lot of the first film, and was sent on a separate adventure for the second film, and then Padme got very little to do in the third film. Attack of the Clones and The Last Jedi both tried to replicate Empire Strikes Back by splitting the main characters up, but in both cases I think they were worse off for it.
True, luckily the Clone Wars learned from that mistake albeit Padme is basically switched out for Ahsoka which is arguably more fitting to be around fellow Jedi.
Yeah this was a huge shortcoming (among many). Padme needed a character arc in the third film and a relationship with Obi-Wan of some sort. Honestly I think a love triangle would have been an interesting angle to take, even if it was just Anakin having misplaced jealousy over their friendship. Perhaps some actual Jedi machinations to try and keep Padme and Anakin from spending too much time together could show his resentment of the Jedi grow more organically?
@@spaceghostcqc2137 I'm late to the party but I always thought Padme and Obi Wan being in love but having enough restraint not to follow through would have been great. It gives real grounds for Anakin to be jealous but also reinforces the 'value of self-control' theme that the movie is SORT OF about.
@@disclaimer.imjokin A lot of really short memories around here . . . Do you just not remember how much *_HATRED_* 'Attack the Clones' [sic] attracted back in the day? Nobody in the world hates Star Wars as much as the Star Wars fans - Lucas / Disney / Padme / Jar Jar / Rey / Ewoks / Episode V ending, makes no difference. All they ever do is *_complain._* The only thing that ever changes is the date.
I can't confirm this, but I've heard Anakin's Darth Vader suit was specifically designed to hurt him as much as possible. Because the Sith get their power from Anger and Pain, if he's constantly in pain, then he's more powerful with the force.
It's my understanding that the suit's deliberate imperfections are actually to dull Vader's true potential and prevent him from overthrowing Palpatine by putting a ceiling on what he can do.
I heard this was actually no longer part of the new canon. Vader's armor does leave him in great pain, but it's not purposeful this time as Palpatine wouldn't find it very practical to have Vader constantly at risk of dying because his suit not working. I believe Vader is actually given express permission to do whatever he wants to his armor but chooses not to. Palpatine in the new canon still views Vader as his promised apprentice and continues his training even through the reign of the Empire. Their relationship doesn't start faltering until Vader discovers that his kids are alive and Palpatine realizes that his hold on Anakin is fading and he needs to replace him quickly.
@@servebotfrank4082 I hope this is the case, because Palpatine deliberately handicapping the most important figure in his empire was always really stupid to me.
I just watched the fight autopsy on anakin vs obi-wan yesterday by Shadiversity where he literally went frame by frame going through the saber techniques, and I will say that from that I noticed an important story beat with regards to the High Ground ending. While they are fighting on the lava droids, Anakin does the same exact flip over Obi-wan and you see Obi-wan take a swing and a miss at him, so when Obi-wan is on the High Ground he very likely is taunting Anakin into making the same exact move to pull off a quick victory royale. And I mean, this isn’t the only time Obi-wan has tricked his opponent into doing a predictable move. In star wars rebels, he defeats Maul who tried to pull the same finishing move on Qui-gon but on old Ben, who was expecting it.
I think Anakin's had to hear the story of how Obi-Wan flipped over Darth Maul's head and bisected him upwards of a thousand times and thinks he can pull off the same move.
I'm 100% convinced still, that Palpatine used the bond between Anakin and Padme to keep Vader alive using Padme's life force. That's why those scenes go in parallel, and that's why she's dying despite being completely healthy. "Lost her will to live", more like her life essence is being drained. And I'd say that's the life saving power Palpatine talked about. Using someone else's life force to keep another or yourself alive. And maybe if it has to be someone who's close to them? That's a pretty sinister Force power fitting for the Dark Side.
I've never heard this theory before but it makes sense & I really like it. Especially when you consider the force connection that Snoke creates between Rey & Kylo in the sequels. The idea that immortality exists for the Sith but there's a big catch is a lot more compelling than Palpatine's ''We'll figure it out together'' excuse being all there is to it. I don't think they were truly thinking along these lines when they wrote it but if they had we would've needed a scene hinting at it to steer people in the right direction.
As evidence to support your idea, the first time you hear vader's heartbeat and breathing kick in is just after Padme dies. I always took it to imply that as her life force leaves her, it goes to revive Vader who was, for all intents and purposes, dead. The only part of your theory I disagree with is that it was being orchestrated by Palpatine. I always assumed Padme was doing it willingly. But that's up to individial interpretation.
Dude!!! YES - This is EXACTLY what I thought when I first watched it. I didn't pay the babies any attention but my wife sure did and she said oh my, its like taking someone's life to give two another. Wow. Great post.
I don’t think that’s what happened, but I think that would have been a great direction to take it. To establish that’s how the longevity ability works, or perhaps a darker route one can go down to achieve it, and then have it be stated there’s some bogus rule about it only working between… individuals with… close bonds… something cliche like that. At that point I think there would be enough to read into to be able to make the assumption that’s what Palpatine did.
No. This theory is false. You know why? Because it racist purely because the actual reason Padme dies is fucking moronic. It's not something either any actual evidence that could plug some holes in the story, it's a dman fanfiction made because the fans were annoyed with what's actually there.
It didn't need that much of a think to make sense? Even as a kid I knew that sometimes people would do bad things for good reasons I also knew that in whatever conflict happens both sides think they're the good guys, so yes it makes sense.
Dooku was a hero in part, the separatist movement was against what the republic and Jedi became, there is even a dialogue where Dooku says that Qui Gon had his same ideals.
I never understand why this line is so hated. In these movies we've seen how corrupt and dysfunctional the Republic and the Jedi have become, so in a way the Separatist movement was for a good cause. Wouldn't it be obvious then that there would be heroes on both sides?
@@brodiemorris2081 I mean yeah, you can certainly IMAGINE that there's good people among the CIS, but they are never shown or even mentioned a single time in the movies themselves. A plot hole or writing flaw doesn't become invalid simply because you can feasibly think of an explanation that isn't contradicted by the text, the text should answer these questions directly.
Cool Fact-in the novelization Grievance says how he was “trained by the great count dooku” then obiwan says how he “trained the jedi who killed the great count dooku”. I was disappointed it wasn’t included in the movie.
It actually feels like Christmas, thank you for putting yourselves through this gents. My excitement for this video was a few thousand times higher than the actual movie at any point over the last twenty years
Padmé getting reduced to a plot piece is just so sad considering the potential… she never comes to terms with Palpatine, her trusted friend and fellow gov official for *years,* using and manipulating her in his plot to seize power. she’s literally the one in the first film who calls for Valorum’s removal. Then she has one of the greatest lines in Star Wars history in this film. “So this is how liberty dies-with thunderous applause.”
@@steveb7932 I think it’s a brilliant line. Padmé is watching her own government cheer and applaud the death of the republic because they’re so thoroughly brainwashed by Palpatine and there’s nothing she can do about it. The only disappointing things about it is how lame Padmé is in episode 3, and also that Padmé never has her “eureka” moment where she actually processes her trusted friend manipulating and betraying her
These 3 Caravan of Garbages are truly the best Star Wars review type videos since the Red Letter Media phantom menace reviews. Absolutely amazing, didn’t disappoint at all. Congrats to you two + the editors 🥂 be very proud lads
The Order 66 scene is still one of my favorite Star Wars moments ever, I know a lot of people say it was meaningless until TCW but I disagree. Even as a little kid it hit me hard and that soundtrack is just amazing
I heard somewhere that the Jedi actually knew about Order 66. It was deliberately put in place in case the Jedi were corrupt and tried to seize power, the leader of the Galactic Republic could initiate Order 66 and purge the Jedi, or maybe even just one specific Jedi. It just so happened that the Jedi were too dumb to realise that the head of the galactic republic was also a Sith.
@@JokeCubed In the republic commando books it fleshes them out more. It was a series of 150 contingency orders for worst case scenarios. Key strategic allies turning separatist, the chancellor being deemed unfit to issue orders, etc. Order 66 basically said "Yhe Jedi are trying seize control of the government, they need to be put down ASAP". It is remarked as odd that unilateral lethal force is called for, even for padawans and low level knights , but yes, it was just one of 150 orders that nobody really thought would be used At least, thats how it was in legends
One of the councilmen that palpatine kills in his office is Kit Fisto. He’s actually a skilled duelist and fought on the front lines quite a few times in the clone wars. Sad to see him die with absolutely no fanfare, especially after how badass he was in the 2003 clone wars TV show
I can see why this needed an extra week to finish up! Superb editing and great visual gags abound. Well worth the wait, and well done to Ben and Laurence!
@@AlejoConejo-vb8ln They said years ago that it was “too much of a low hanging fruit” but I’d say if they’ve forced themselves to watch all of the Transformers and Twilight films since then The Room should be good game…
My personal fan theory why Padme died is her lifeforce was being drained by Palp to keep Annakin alive. Makes a lot of sense especially how the scene of her dying coincides with Vader’s birth.
Too bad they didn't put that in the movie. There was no reason why she should have died in childbirth, in a world with the most advanced medicine imaginable. I guess she was supposed to have died of a broken heart. What a load of horse pucky! They barely had a relationship because Lucas didn't know how to write one.
Regarding the "there are heroes on both sides" comment, this is something else that's fleshed out on The Clone Wars. The Seperatist Alliance isn't an inherently evil organisation, it's being manipulated by the Sith into being so. Some world's join the Seperatists out of desperation (Rodia briefly joins because they have a food shortage and the Trade Federation offers supplies), some join out of distrust towards the Republic (the Japrael Sector), etc There's even an episode directly called "Heroes on Both Sides", Season 3 Episode 10, which has Padmé trying to find peace with the Seperatists whilst Ahsoka spends time with the people of the Confederacy
While I agree that they try to present the Separatists as more being manipulated, their Government is, at the very least, complicit in numerous war crimes, like testing chemical weapons on neutral populations, developing banned bio-weapons, deliberately attacking civilians, etc which the republic is never shown doing (except kind-of Palpatine), makes it seem a lot less 'heroes on both sides' and more 'we have people who don't WANT to slaughter civilians, but are fine if it happens'.
@@SleventyFive I've not seen the relevant episodes of Clone Wars in *years* so my memory is kinda rusty, but is it not shown as most of the really bad stuff bring kinda done in secret? Like, it's obvious Dooku, the Geonosians, The Trade Federation etc are doing *something* nefarious, but the Seperatist Government don't really know the specifics, and are desperate enough for help in the war to not ask too many questions?
IDK, Clone Wars was great, it was also basically Star Wars propaganda to rescue the prequels. I expect the same will be done for the sequels one day. It's not like that Season 3 adventure was in mind when that crawl was written but instead made by Filoni and crew as another apologia for another weird bit of rough writing from the prequels. More to the point, that line is literally not supported by anything we the audience would have seen to that point.
@@rubaiyat300 well yeah, I'm not suggesting it was a well written line at the time, I'm just commenting on how the canon justifies it as a whole. I enjoy the prequels probably a lot more than the average SW fan (except AotC, that ones shit), but I'm not about to pretend they're anywhere close to perfect 😂
5:28 In the Revenge of the Sith novel Dooku thought Obi Wan was the bigger threat, mainly because he genuinely could did not see himself beating Obi-Wan's perfected defensive style Like, Obi-Wan's style requires little movement and energy, so he wont tire easily So Dooku, reached to the dark side to gather as much power as he could, and concentrated it on Obi Wan, to break the force shield protecting Obi Wan, and force choke him (Legends force mechanics)
The legends force mechanics are sweet, it really adds a whole metaphysical level to lightsaber duels (both combatants have a shield up and are actively trying to use the force on eachother, they're both trying to use their future-predicting-abilities but it kinda cancels out but also not really). It adds a lot to the physical battles but would be really hard to represent on screen unfortunately
35:34 the high ground is in fact a disadvantage in a swordfight more often than not, because the higher person has to reach down further to hit their opponent, who has easy access to his legs, and whose own legs are out of reach.
However, in this case, Anakin couldn’t reach Obi Wan from his position & in order to get close enough/get on the high ground, he’d have to open himself up (which is what happened in the film, yk?).
not it would not lol. Anakin cut his hand off and palpatine was the one who dealt the killing blow. Anakins true turn was when he slaughtered all the jedi including the younglings
@@Lavolpeengreece but how does bringing Palpatine back mess with Anakin’s arc? He wasn’t redeemed by killing him. He was redeemed for sacrificing his own life to save his son. If Anakin/Vader killed Palpatine after the latter completely fried Luke, that would feel like hollow revenge. Luke surviving is what matters for the story. He then helps the New Republic grow, trains the new jedi order, and when that falls apart, he saves the Resistance and trains Rey who helps restore the balance Anakin brought. Or to quote the Last Jedi “that’s how we’re gonna win. Not fighting what we hate. Saving what we love.” I know that line’s cheesy and on the nose as hell, but it’s been true to one of the main themes of Star Wars since the OT
@@directorforplastic7929 it’s less of Anakin being redeemed and more of him fulfilling the prophecy of being the Chosen One by bringing balance to the Force. He did it in an unorthodox way where instead of being stereotypically good and heroic his whole and beating the bad at the end, he turned bad but managed to grab hold of the good that was left within (with help from Luke) to kill the last remaining Sith while dying in the process. Having Palpatine come back makes Anakin’s actions in episode 6 be pretty pointless
@@shoo99ful It was the same way in legends too though. For another 20 someodd years after RoTJ Luke and the republic were fighting Empire holdouts and for 5 of those years Palpatine was back in a clone body. He also somewhat trained Luke but Luke was just pretending to be Palpatines apprentice until he could figure out how to defeat him.
7:49 Yes, the novelization of this movie establishes that the creature is named Boga and that Obi-Wan didn't technically buy it, but offered the guy "the liberation of his planet" as suitable compensation. That salesman was probably later thinking "That lying fuck..." as the Empire seized their planet
I don’t think that Kenobi could’ve afforded to keep that birdguana fed on his Jedi stipend. That’s a LOT of mealworms and fresh fruits and vegetables… Just as well. NO ATTACHMENTS! (waves finger)
@@austintrousdale2397 Depends. The Jedi don't really "Own" anything but are given gifts, money, ect for their services through the galaxy. They could pretty much just go to their Jedi bank at the temple and get however much they wanted for whatever.
if i could like this video 40 times over, I wouldn't. There is no need to get so excited over a Caravan, it is just a mode of transportation at the end of the day
I've always thought the obi-won high ground moment is a reflection of his flip over maul, so he knows how to defend it (i like the idea he goaded him as he knows annakins pride is a weakness), which in turn is why Vader throws his saber when Luke has the high ground - like he has a flash back to what happened last time so just thinks, "screw this" and throws his saber instead to level the playing field Loved the coverage guys, has been great to revisit the prequels and thoroughly enjoyed the series 👏 👍
It's actually in lore that anakin used to train against holo versions of Darth Maul growing up. He also knew the story of how obi wan beat Maul. Thus, in a moment of pride, Anakin wants to defeat Obi Wan in the same exact way, to humiliate him and show him how badass he is.. obi wan, knowing what he was thinking and going to try to do, fucks Anakin up. I like your in-universe reason for why Vader tosses his lightsaber against Luke.
What a stupid form of transportation, however he acquired it. This is a planet completely covered in cities, where would a creature that big even live? What does it eat? Who cleans up after it? Are there lizard stables somewhere? We see Obi-Wan driving a flying car, why didn't he use one of those? This is one of the dumbest scenes in the movie because it makes no sense in the overall context of where it's taking place.
Running with the idea of slipping in a weakness in young Anakin's training, I theorize that Obi-Wan continually imprinted in child Anakin that once you take the high ground there's only one move, and one move alone that could trump better footing. And that is to do a flip over your enemy's head.
y'know...when Qui-Gon asked Shmi, "Whose the father", and she responds with, "There was no father. I raised him. I fed him. I loved him. etc." For YEARS after i always held the idea that Shmi was simply being a boss mom, saying that the father dipped out at birth or something. i never once assumed she meant, "I was miraculously impregnated, and there was never a 'father' "
My assumption was always that it was supposed to be Plagueis. That's why he tells Anakin the story, including the specific detail that he could "influence the midichlorians to create life"
As a massive fan of Star Wars I'm done talking about Star Wars to literally everyone ever. I hate the community surrounding this franchise with as much passion as they hate varying aspects of this franchise.
20:40 an important detail of the Shatterpoint skill is how rare it is. Like Psychometry, you have to be born with Shatterpoint potential in order to use it in your adult Jedi toolkit. So it’s not like Kit Fisto and Master Vos could’ve picked it up from Mace before the big fight.
Never really thought about it until the last time I watched it but I like how when palpatine’s like “my spies found grevious” he’s just lying and always knew where grevious was and just needs to wrap the war up so he tells Anakin to go get it all taken care of.
17:47 the Jedi thought the Sith were extinct after a battle 1,000 years prior to the invasion of Naboo. The only survivor was Darth Bane, who created the Rule of Two in order that the Sith keep surpassing each other and getting stronger over the centuries, and that line of Sith and apprentices ended with Plagueis, Sidious, and Vader. Granted, Maul showed up on Tatooine and again on Naboo, so the Jedi knew that a Sith had come back.
27:29 I like the idea that Anakin has some bad dialogue here because as a Jedi, he wasn’t taught any flirting skills whatsoever. But it doesn’t make sense for Padmé to also suck at it? She’s a politician with the social skills to do her job well? That scene would’ve really worked if they implied that she taught him how to flirt during the early Clone Wars, and that would’ve made the Zygerrian Slaver CW arc even cooler since it’d show off Ani’s flirtation development.
Love it or hate it, it certainly is one of most memed movies in history. Edit: now have 66 likes. You know what to do… Edit (again): never mind. The Jedi shall be spared. Move along.
Never thought of it before but Obi-Wan could have been like "Anakin, what is rule number one? if someone has the high ground, you literally can't lose. Just jump flip over them. Works every time."
For me I always reasoned the high ground scene with the comics. In a comic from mid 2010s (I think) we're shown that Anakin trains against a holo projected version of Darth Maul where his style was captured from security tapes. Anakin saw that his situation was very similar to Obi-Wan's in episode 1 and decided to go for the same move simply because he was so overconfident not knowing that Obi Wan was paying far more attention than Maul was.
I'm glad you referenced the novelization of ROTS. I just finished rereading it recently, and it's very good. There's a lot more detail and time to explain things that come off as kind of rushed in this movie, like Anakin's sudden betrayal. They really sew throughout the book that Anakin goes into a kind of manic exhaustion, unable to sleep because of his dreams and unable to think because of his exhaustion.
@@FlyingwithFire yeah, it's a master stroke. That final scene where he reveals himself as the sith Lord is hypnotic, kind of put me in a trance, so I can only imagine what Anakin must have felt.
Here’s what always got me about the chosen one thing “Bring balance to the force” Jedi: literally thousands of them Sith: Maybe 2 - 3 What did the Jedi think was going to happen lol. He did technically “balance the force” Edit: I know there’s a complicated in cannon explanation of this or how people define the force you don’t need to tell me
George Lucas said balance in the Force happened by "getting rid of evil in the universe," which suggests the Jedi thought balance was pure good. In a universe where there is, canonically, a Dark Side just as powerful as the Light, this doesn't make sense. Balance between such forces cannot cannot exist when all practitioners serve one side. _To the Jedi_ it makes sense because they see themselves as agents of balance and preservation.
@@RD-zx6py So the argument is that the citizens of the galaxy were turning evil to balance the good of the Jedi? I suppose that makes sense. Citizens were ready to cheer for militarization, war, the seizing of total power, the identification of their longtime protectors as hated enemies that must be rooted out, build the wall, Trump for Chancellor, et cetera.
I always thought it was like, the force is still balanced because the light side has to be shared amongst 1000 jedi. But all of the dark side is concentrated in just 2 sith. At least that's how Darth bane explains it when he came up with the rule of 2.
Kind of like how those Roman fellows weren't too keen on the idea of a messiah. Disrupting the balance of power isn't so appealing when you're the one in power.
It’s pretty mind-boggling that you’ve now gone through the entire prequel trilogy without mentioning that the original working title for Star Wars was ‘Blue Harvest’ but whatever
Did you know .. ..hehe, the reason for the code name "blue harvest" was so that the production wouldn't get ripped off while on location and buying stuff. If they admitted it was Star Wars they would be paying double for stuff and all sorts of taxes would get created to screw as much money out of them as possible. Like in The Simpsons, when they shot the Fall Out Boy movie in Springfield haha the "leaving town tax".
Whenever people talk about this movie, it always makes me wish that this was the trilogy instead of the finale. Like.. how crazy would it have been if the Mace windu palpatine confrontation was the end of the second movie and the cliffhanger going into the third?
Using Mace's ignominious death scene as a cliffhanger would have been rather puzzling, since it's hard to get emotionally invested in such a dull, unremarkable character with zero charisma. He was a complete waste of Samuel Jackson's talent, which is mainly screaming at people while punching them in the face. He doesn't do so well trying to act the part of the wise, calm, meditative Jedi Master. Mace's only claim to fame is having a purple lightsaber, which he swung around rather awkwardly before being yeeted out a window. Heh heh, Mace Window! I love it!
@@ElveeKaye if this was three movies I guarantee there would be a lot more development to the Jedi which is essentially what they were talking about with the Jedi takeover plot
@@israelsaadesnoozer377 honestly yea i know the prequels are already pretty political but even one scene of a random senator bringing up distrust or even suspicion of the jedi having ulterior motives would have been nice.
37:07 My college housing application just got cancelled because of a mistake I made, but honestly, this bit made me smile and feel better. Literally searched for the video for this bit. I really am feeling better now:
I reckon the Riddick films starting with Pitch Black would be good for this series. The guys can see the the origin of Vin Diesel and how he got stereotyped into the cool action hero role
One thing that's always bothered me about the final confrontation between Anakin and Obi-Wan is that Obi-Wan draws his lightsaber first. I know he's been sent to kill Anakin, but I think it would've been more impactful if Anakin was the aggressor and Obi-Wan was doing everything he could to not kill him until he had no choice
@@JaceDeanLoveBut the point is that even though Anakin has turned, Obi-Wan should be doing all that he can to reason and talk sense with him. But once Anakin strikes at Obi-Wan then all bets would be off
The people who say they don't want politics in their science-fiction need to understand that politics exist in both science & fiction, and that sci-fi is merely a literary vehicle for allegory and societal / cultural deconstruction.
I think the problem most ppl had was not that the prequels had politics in them. It's that they had very poorly executed political intrigue. Political intrigue done right can elevate the story and take world building to the next level. Instead we got what felt like the kind of political theater that someone in junior high would write...very superficial and lightly sprinkled in despite how much of our understanding of the events at hand rely on it. It never properly interweaves with the central plot in a convincing or satisfying manner. It just shows up as window dressing from time to time to remind us that political stuff is happening I liken it to the paradigm where ppl constantly complain about too much CGI. Its not CGI that theyre really objecting to...but BAD CGI.
@person person i know alot of ppl felt there was all kinds of in your face identity politics in those films, but i didnt really see it. And even if there was...it was far from the worst part of those films. The sequels could've benefitted from some actual political intrigue...since there's next to zero world building or background on the state of the galaxy in them. But...they didnt even try
@@razorfett147 the closest thing the sequels get to touching politics (which isn’t even related to things like the government directly) is the Canto Byte stuff in TLJ with stuff about how the upper classes benefit from war and where that leaves the lower class, even though it primarily was just to serve Finn’s arc (and to have a hopeful ending shot)
The big caveat with well done examples of using allegory for politics or culture is that writers can't be too on-the-nose with it (which has been on the rise over the last decade or more). Writers showing that '___person/action___ is good' is great storytelling. *Telling* us that '___person/action___ is good' is weak sauce at best and grating at worst.
Have we ever gotten a concrete answer about what exactly was happening with Palpatine’s face? Did he always look like that and hid it? Did the force-lightning do that? What’s the deal there?
According to Star Wars Insider Magaizne, he always looked like that. Palpatine used Sith Alchemy to hide his true form. He was so deep into the Dark Side that he became physically deformed by evil. Him being struck by his own attack forced him to reveal his true form, and he used his true form as propaganda when condemning the Jedi as traitorous murderers.
Best thing about Phantom Menace: the 15 minutes that Darth Maul is onscreen for Best thing about Attack of the Clones: laughing at Attack of the Clones Best thing about Revenge of the Sith: the first 25 minutes and the last 40. Best thing about the prequels is Obi Wan, closely followed by Palpatine.
Last 40 minutes of RotS for sure. And let's be honest, the best part of AotC is the fact that George Lucas inserted - into his fictional ancient fantasy space society - an actual 1950s Americana roadside diner. *chef's kiss*
I like how when you say "Bring in some of the loose cannon Jedi!" you show two back to back clips of Kit Fisto, who was in fact one of the three guys Mace Windu brought with him.
Do a caravan of garbage on every individual episode of Clone Wars and Rebels! Or just do more Fast and Furious movies. Like 4, 5, and 6 or something. Yeah.
Guys, I just want to say that this video is the only thing I've been looking forward to after a looooong day, you've made me so happy covering the prequels and have put a smile on my face. Keep up the good work guys, keep spreading the cheer!
19:16 It's funny how they say "Bring in some of the loose cannon Jedi" and use footage of Kit Fisto, who was literally one of those 3 Jedi who Darth Sidious killed in less than a minute.
It’s funny because when Palpatine is naming Vader it does sound like he’s just stumbled upon an interesting choice in his big book of names for new Sith Lords.
"Henceforth, you shall be known as Darth... _hmm, how about Malak? Nah, that's dumb. Bane? Eh, his ego is already big enough. Sion? Ok now we're just getting ridiculous. Vader? Yeah sure I guess_ ...Vader."
I maintain that some sith graduate student just made a huge list of all vaguely sinister names in Basic for his doctoral theisis. All Sith for the next 2000 yrs are just working thru the list.
Calling Anakin nearly burning to death “Anakin’s Big Accident” is the funniest fucking thing i’ve heard in 6 months that i’m trying to hold back losing it in the middle of class just thinking of it holy shit
I remember reading in a book (maybe the novelisation) that Obi Wan didn't mean to chop up Anakin like that. He went to guard against the flip, but mistimed it because Anakin was being so aggressive. He went to block and hit the elbow, then when he went to reset his stance the lightsaber went clean through his knees. It was an accident, not sure if Anakin could claim on it though because of the whole evil space wizard thing
I like when Griveous pulls out his four lightsabers, Obi-Wan smiled, he was excited to tear him to pieces. I think that Obi-Wan could've ripped Griveous with the force but he decided not to because he wanted to fight him.
It’s just two good mates who say “we’re mates” and you believe a lot of it in this until they start screaming at eachother - me everytime I watch Mr Sunday Movies
I was like „he‘s projecting for sure“
This is also a pretty good synopsis for the movie
@@cristianaguayo9956 @3:11
well played, sir
Lmao so true
My favorite theory of the "high ground" part is that in Return of the Jedi when Luke is above Vader on a platform, Vader is like "fuck that shit" and chucks his saber at him LOL
wow
Nice
Canon
He has a PTSD-induced panic attack and throws his saber out of fear
@@sentientmustache8360
Vader having a Vietnam flashback is just so hilarious to me
the whole "high ground" thing relates to real estate: property situated at elevation tends to value higher. So it's a psychological ploy by Kenobi; he irritates Anakin by claiming his net worth is likely to outpace the younger man's
But Anakin has the riverside beachfront... One could say that's the real hot property here.
I did a big laugh thanks
"You're a millennial Anakin, don't try it! You'll never own a home if you keep eating avocado toast!"
@@mh2120 "It's over, Anakin! Look how high I've lifted myself by my own bootstraps!"
The bad guy's plot in "Rogue One" reminded me of "Glengarry Glen Ross". Vader says coffee is for closers.
I was in high school when this came out and went to see the movie with my friend. As soon as my friend heard the noise the giant iguana made...he emulated it super loud and was super good at it. At first people laughed. But then he did it again and again. Everytime there was a lul on screen you would just hear that iguana sound. Nothing I said could get him to stop.
"Anakin...you're breaking my heart..."
*Crazy loud iguana sound*
Mercy stranglelation is ok.
*obi wan walks up the riverbank after cutting anakin in half*
Giant iguana noise
Why is this so funny
I can't't imagine anyone surviving doing more than 4 of those at a busy cinema. First may be funny, second is unwaranted but the audience assumes the non-reaction should put an end to it, third indicates we're dealing with an irrational imbecile who is taking the piss now and ruining the movie experience and a fourth is rage triggering and inviting mob justice.
Ha!!while I'm sure at the time that 3rd,4th,5th,etc iguana sounds was enough to make you sink down of embarrassment I imagine it makes u smile everytime u think of it now!that is hilarious though
The fact that Ben and Laurence were able to find that specific page of the specific encyclopedia that Maso was talking about genuinely caught me off guard. Phenomenal editing job as always!!
These guys are some top notch editors for sure.
Not a knock on Ben and Laurence, who are incredible, but it's a pretty popular prequel meme.
What page?
@@jaydandudek2611 21:14
I am sorry. I love the editors. But I hate when people do not understand what is easy and what is difficult in life. This would have been so fucking easy to do. How many encyclopedias containing a Count Dooku chapter exist?! Two?! Maybe three?! I don't understand why people find simple shit difficult.
Things I like about this movie:
- General Grievous' perfect hourglass figure
Things I dislike:
- the buzz droids not talking in beepy wiseguy accents
Things I like about this movie:
- It’s not Episodes 1 and 2
Things I dislike:
- Everything else
He needed a bit of surgery to get that perfect figure, but if it makes him feel good, who am I to judge?
@@SDfan2002 that’s not nearly enough to make it a good movie.
@@HabitualJoker Exactly. Revenge of the Sith is NOT a good movie.
@@SDfan2002 When you come out of the theater saying "eh, it could have been worse"... not sure that's the level of magic that Hollywood is straining for. But we'd been kind of hoping against hope that we'd get a decent one. People WANTED to like these movies.
The amount of evil head turns Palpatine does is truly outstanding
Took them 3 movies to figure out he’s a sith 😂
There's a drinking game where you take a drink every time Palpatine turns his head to the camera. You'll be blackout by the third act.
*Turns head
"Did you ever hear, about the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the wise?"
They never get old
E.
Ben pulling out the big guns with the editing. Even finding un released clone wars clips. Perfection
Not to mention the Mia Khalifa clip… Ben is WILDIN OUT
@@juliosalazar7273 now we know what he watches in his free time
@@juliosalazar7273 Mia Khalifa and Rich Evans, that's why I love Ben's editing
POLITICS
uh oh
Don’t forget the fantastic lettuce pun at 1:23
The lack of "you won't get away this time Dooku" is actually disturbing
It truly is.
It clearly turned Seth there into a red lantern.
It has. My anger knows no bounds now.
They should get to some Christopher Lee movies at some point. Dracula😍
@@R3D_Lantern Seth you’re breaking my heart, you’re tou go down a path I can’t follow
19:00 - This is my favourite part of the movie. Dude with the green light sabre does the biggest windup in history as if he's trying to hit a home run all while he could've casually poked Palpatine in the side and killed him. Priceless scene.
The novel described some kind of sith mind fuckery that he performed on them, i guess Lucas and the editor just thought this fight looks faster than it actually is
it always looked so janky and stupid
@@TheHowlingEye It was done the way that it was because the actor, Ian Mcdermid, had no skill or proficiency with handling a lightsaber, so they had to make due.
@@TheHowlingEye They are management is a much better explanation
As an actual Sabre fencer that scene is painful to watch. IF one fought like these Jedi in real life even with a light sabre vs light sabre they'd die pretty damn fast and deserve to.
NEVER turn your back on a foe and never telegraph an attack UNLESS you are confident in the stupidity of your opponent and are feinting. Those suicidal moves seem to be standard fare for Jedis and Sith alike
And finally never waste movement when wounding an opponent like you suggested is the best course of action
Edit: not to mention that light sabres require no wind up at all. Power cuts are meaningless and a light cut/ thrust is just as effective as a heavy one. Why waste the energy. Light sabres imply finesse but you rarely see it in these "duels".
I'd always aim for hands and legs personally
I'd love to see a Caravan of Garbage for:
1. Jurassic Park franchise
2. Pirates of the Caribbean frinchise
3. Batman Mask of the Phantasm
4. Ghost Rider 1 and 2
5. Hellboy 1, 2 and reboot
What the hell is this list
Not jurassic park. It is not garbage
I'll give you that on Ghost Rider and Hellboy
@@jehucox9490 they don't only do garbage stuff
I think they did do a mask of the phantasm, or perhaps they merely touched upon it during their return of the joker or something of the like
I can't believe they didn't talk more about the battle of Kashyyyk... Alas the everlasting question remains:
"What about the droid attack on the Wookiees?"
He’s right. It’s a system we cannot afford to lose.
What would they have said about it though?
They're right in that the only functions the Kashyyk scenes have is to show Yoda being on another planet, and to show Chewbacca for fanservice.
They could talk about how the cgi is good I guess? It's a big battle scene we barely see anything of, and ultimately doesn't matter to the plot at all.
@@stefanfilipovits21 The opportunity for hair product commercials, alone, is worth the investment!
@e finally, we're talking about the wookies
@@goten339 Lego sets my boy! Toys! Toys! Toys!
My favorite scene is when Darth Vader is finally born and it cuts to Palpatine and he goes “Now that is Revenge for the Sith!”
Then he Fortnite dances
I love it when Palpatine is making up his plan and says "I'll try just tricking him into joining the dark side, that's a good trick!"
My favorite part is when Anakin slaughters the younglings and does the griddy away while screaming “It’s anobin time!”
After watching all nine movies recently, I can confirm that Ian McDiarmid's facial expressions during Palpatine's fights are the best part of every movie
Disney needs to go back and digitally insert his expressions into the original trilogy for the next special edition.
I say, insert Ian McDiarmid's facial expressions into every scene in star wars. like how they had a sign language speaking person in the top right corner of the screen? same thing... except it's Ian McDiarmid. and he isn't helping anybody
@@jesse_reznor True, how much more believable would Anakin hating sand be if it were accompanied by a maniacal contortion of McDirmid's face. Same with the scene where Leia kisses Luke: his expression would be like a Greek chorus speaking the feelings of the audience.
@@spaceghostcqc2137 I cannot argue with your statement. you are 100% accurate. my retort is simply an imitation of Palpatine...
"Vader... it has a good mouth feel... yeeeesssss... YEEEEEESSSSSSSSS..... *SHOOTS LIGHTENING* AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!"
He's a master of camp.
I like how you say, “bring in some of the loose cannon Jedi“ and when you do that you show Kitt Fisto, one of the guys who is immediately murdered lmao
I'm really happy for Ewan and Hayden. They've talked about how the amount of green screen in the prequels was difficult work, and then they weren't appreciated for their work at the time.
But now, with the Kenobi series, to go back and to have practical sets (and the virtual screen sets that Mando and Boba Fett used) must be so exciting, and to hear how excited the fans are, how much appreciation they have for their work in the prequels. I'm just really glad for them.
And money
They just replaced green screen with the Volume tech, I would argue that all Prequel movies minus Rots used more practical set locations than the show.
Rots was 100% shot in Sydney on a sound stage.
@@joshimura1995 well, with the volume, an actor can at least visualize their location/setting more clearly than with green screen. Probably helps with performance a bit.
@@pazz That's one of the big annoyances of the Prequels. People are staring into space because there's nothing really to look at. Grievous the Robot Man pulls out four lightsabers, and Ben just stands there, and you can tell he's not looking at an actual object. It's hard to act impressed by the monster if you can't see it.
Are fans excited? Given Disneys track record?
I always thought the jedi should have just flown a ship behind Palpatines office and just shot missiles at him
Well the problem is they would immediately be treated as terrorists, he had to stand trial in front of the senate and the courts. Sure it’s a simple thought but this is another element Lucas meant to portray by how bureaucracy in the Republic is a major issue.
Well the Republic Gunship they rode to reach the fight was out of rockets.
@@Jedi_Spartan wasn’t that Dooku?
They could have done a lot of things but they don't cos Lucas wrote it.
People are always sitting or walking around in these rooms with huge windows, in a city where it's normal for all sorts of mechanical things to be flying by at high altitude. They do this even when their lives are in danger, such as when idiotic Padme sleeps in a room with a view so that giant centipedes can get in to assassinate her. Everyone is so stupid in this movie that it feels like it was written by a school child who really just wanted to draw cool robots and make up a story about them. I used to write stories about dragons when I was a child. They sucked.
Bully for Dooku for not immediately spilling the tea on Palpatine as soon as he realized Sidious betrayed him. I commend his restraint.
They probably wouldn't believe him even if he did, though.
i mean he technically did. attack of the clones. dooku was trying to tell Obi-Wan but as said, he didn't believe him
Also might have been in shock from the whole having both his hands cut off
In the novelization he begs Palpatine for his life but doesn’t reveal anything about Palptines secret Sith identity
Gotta get that imposter win somehow, even if your ally throws you under the bus.
I'm surprised you didn't mention one of the funniest scenes in the movie; is when Yoda enters Palpatine's chambers and he just force pushes the two gaurds😂 great stuff
Ian McDiarmid absolutely carries this film, and the main thing that gets in its way is that once he gets the withered-face prosthetic he can't act quite as effectively through it. But there's a reason the "Darth Plagueis the Wise" speech became meme fodder: it's actually really good, easily the most memorable moment in the whole prequel trilogy, with a lot of implications the movies never entirely followed up on.
“Easily the most memorable moment in the whole prequel trilogy” is a bit of a stretch 😂 but yeah I agree with your sentiment.
I’m pretty sure Order 66 or Anakin Vs Obi Wan is the most memorable moment in the prequel trilogy my Dude 😂 Good Try tho
@@BWayne-si9ev ikr 😂
Wrong. The most memorable moment in the prequel trilogy is where Jar Jar steps in the poop, fucking hilarious.
@@jagpro91 icky goo
I love the part during the duel between Palpatine and Mace Windu where Anakin is making his way to Palpatine's office and he's running, and suddenly out of nowhere loses all sense of urgency and starts mall walking. Its so funny to me.
He didn't wanna be out of breath when he got there, that'd be embarrassing
It's an incredibly funny scene on its own but the SWELL of the music makes me actually get engaged, and when I think about that I laugh even harder because he literally just goes from running to walking
That's just bad editing.
@@AcidifiedMammoth Bad editing? In the PREQUELS?! Why I never!
@@kingofdash9175 Yeah that didn't really land. I'll still LOVE THE PREQUELS in spite of their big flaws.
The single best scene in the prequels is Anakin alone with his thoughts in the Council Chamber. Coincidentally there's limited/no dialogue. Hayden Christensen is just allowed to act and Williams' ominous score plays throughout. It's so good and so different I'm convinced it was the 2nd Unit Director in charge that day.
Perfect scene
It's nothing new, it's just a different version of the twin sunsets which lucas puts in all of the star wars films. Why make random shit up 'it's something I like therefore it wasn't lucas because it just wasnt okay' Lucas wanted this scene, he says so in the commentary.
@@fredgoer7968 Interesting, I didn't know that.
Thank you for pointing that out so politely.
The two of them staring across the city at each other is the strongest chemistry the two share across all three movies, and they're miles apart in different buildings with no dialogue.
@@TheSchaef47 Personally I prefer when he's full lunatic mode and she's horrified. Definitely the most interesting conversation between them!
I love the bit when Anakin is apologising to Obi-Wan about being an arrogant little shit, then Obi-Wan replies that he's strong and brave and how proud of him he is. It's really touching. Then in the very next scene Anakin's at home with Padme he senses that Obi-Wan had been there, and he's like, "WHAT THE FUCK WAS OBI-WAN DOING HERE?!" Like that whole apology meant nothing lol
I honestly can't tell if Anakin is meant to be emotionally inept because of the Jedi, or if the way he's portrayed just makes him look like that way...
@@wayfaringstranger8430 I don't think he's meant to be portrayed like that. Look at the Clone Wars show. George Lucas was heavily involved in it, but Anakin doesn't come across as socially inept _at all_ , because George had people to keep him in check, like Dave Filoni, among others.
George is a visionary, but he should have worked with other writers and directors for the prequels to help tell his story in the best way possible. And I'm saying this as someone who loves the prequels.
This is just what I think though, I could be way off the mark.
Lucas' writing for you.
Too much of what he did in this trilogy feels like a first draft script. A shit ton of ideas, set pieces, characters, and story elements haphazardly thrown together. Too many characters changing attitudes or positions simply because the plot needed them to
@@RbkARI Padme throws him off his Game, same thing happens In the early Clone Wars Episodes.
@@razorfett147 That's simply not the case. Throughout the trilogy we see that Anakin resents Obi Wan (partially due to the chancellors' influence). Sure, he loves the guy in a familial way, but he also sees him as someone that can't be fully trusted with the things he can trust Palpatine with. So when Anakin gets a vision of Padme dying and Obi Wan being there, it ramps up his paranoia.
I don't know where this idea comes from that the prequels are poorly thought out.
This retrospective has made me realize how much they missed by not having more Anakin+Padme+Obiwan trio stuff. Obi-wan was replaced with Qui-gon for a lot of the first film, and was sent on a separate adventure for the second film, and then Padme got very little to do in the third film. Attack of the Clones and The Last Jedi both tried to replicate Empire Strikes Back by splitting the main characters up, but in both cases I think they were worse off for it.
True, luckily the Clone Wars learned from that mistake albeit Padme is basically switched out for Ahsoka which is arguably more fitting to be around fellow Jedi.
Yeah this was a huge shortcoming (among many). Padme needed a character arc in the third film and a relationship with Obi-Wan of some sort. Honestly I think a love triangle would have been an interesting angle to take, even if it was just Anakin having misplaced jealousy over their friendship. Perhaps some actual Jedi machinations to try and keep Padme and Anakin from spending too much time together could show his resentment of the Jedi grow more organically?
Attack the clones is a masterpiece compared to the last jedi let me tell you
@@spaceghostcqc2137 I'm late to the party but I always thought Padme and Obi Wan being in love but having enough restraint not to follow through would have been great. It gives real grounds for Anakin to be jealous but also reinforces the 'value of self-control' theme that the movie is SORT OF about.
@@disclaimer.imjokin
A lot of really short memories around here . . . Do you just not remember how much *_HATRED_* 'Attack the Clones' [sic] attracted back in the day?
Nobody in the world hates Star Wars as much as the Star Wars fans - Lucas / Disney / Padme / Jar Jar / Rey / Ewoks / Episode V ending, makes no difference. All they ever do is *_complain._* The only thing that ever changes is the date.
I can't confirm this, but I've heard Anakin's Darth Vader suit was specifically designed to hurt him as much as possible. Because the Sith get their power from Anger and Pain, if he's constantly in pain, then he's more powerful with the force.
Yes, the Vader suit is more or less considered very out dated for the time. Palpatine is, of course aware of this, because to him, Vader failed him
It's my understanding that the suit's deliberate imperfections are actually to dull Vader's true potential and prevent him from overthrowing Palpatine by putting a ceiling on what he can do.
I heard this was actually no longer part of the new canon. Vader's armor does leave him in great pain, but it's not purposeful this time as Palpatine wouldn't find it very practical to have Vader constantly at risk of dying because his suit not working. I believe Vader is actually given express permission to do whatever he wants to his armor but chooses not to.
Palpatine in the new canon still views Vader as his promised apprentice and continues his training even through the reign of the Empire. Their relationship doesn't start faltering until Vader discovers that his kids are alive and Palpatine realizes that his hold on Anakin is fading and he needs to replace him quickly.
@@servebotfrank4082 I hope this is the case, because Palpatine deliberately handicapping the most important figure in his empire was always really stupid to me.
That is just terrible
My favourite line in this film is from Palpatine during the Douku duel: “Ge”. Truly the Maclunkey of its era
I rewatched the movie yesterday und was so confused by this moment, totally forgot about it
"GE."
- a Sith Lord
I heard it as a "Yeh!" but it was definitely...something
“Ge”. Truly the Maclunkey of its era
I just watched the fight autopsy on anakin vs obi-wan yesterday by Shadiversity where he literally went frame by frame going through the saber techniques, and I will say that from that I noticed an important story beat with regards to the High Ground ending.
While they are fighting on the lava droids, Anakin does the same exact flip over Obi-wan and you see Obi-wan take a swing and a miss at him, so when Obi-wan is on the High Ground he very likely is taunting Anakin into making the same exact move to pull off a quick victory royale.
And I mean, this isn’t the only time Obi-wan has tricked his opponent into doing a predictable move. In star wars rebels, he defeats Maul who tried to pull the same finishing move on Qui-gon but on old Ben, who was expecting it.
I think Anakin's had to hear the story of how Obi-Wan flipped over Darth Maul's head and bisected him upwards of a thousand times and thinks he can pull off the same move.
I'm 100% convinced still, that Palpatine used the bond between Anakin and Padme to keep Vader alive using Padme's life force. That's why those scenes go in parallel, and that's why she's dying despite being completely healthy. "Lost her will to live", more like her life essence is being drained.
And I'd say that's the life saving power Palpatine talked about. Using someone else's life force to keep another or yourself alive. And maybe if it has to be someone who's close to them? That's a pretty sinister Force power fitting for the Dark Side.
I've never heard this theory before but it makes sense & I really like it. Especially when you consider the force connection that Snoke creates between Rey & Kylo in the sequels. The idea that immortality exists for the Sith but there's a big catch is a lot more compelling than Palpatine's ''We'll figure it out together'' excuse being all there is to it. I don't think they were truly thinking along these lines when they wrote it but if they had we would've needed a scene hinting at it to steer people in the right direction.
As evidence to support your idea, the first time you hear vader's heartbeat and breathing kick in is just after Padme dies. I always took it to imply that as her life force leaves her, it goes to revive Vader who was, for all intents and purposes, dead. The only part of your theory I disagree with is that it was being orchestrated by Palpatine. I always assumed Padme was doing it willingly. But that's up to individial interpretation.
Dude!!! YES - This is EXACTLY what I thought when I first watched it. I didn't pay the babies any attention but my wife sure did and she said oh my, its like taking someone's life to give two another.
Wow. Great post.
I don’t think that’s what happened, but I think that would have been a great direction to take it. To establish that’s how the longevity ability works, or perhaps a darker route one can go down to achieve it, and then have it be stated there’s some bogus rule about it only working between… individuals with… close bonds… something cliche like that. At that point I think there would be enough to read into to be able to make the assumption that’s what Palpatine did.
No. This theory is false. You know why? Because it racist purely because the actual reason Padme dies is fucking moronic. It's not something either any actual evidence that could plug some holes in the story, it's a dman fanfiction made because the fans were annoyed with what's actually there.
I love how they wrote an entire plotline in The Clone Wars just to make the "Heroes on both sides" line in the RoTS title crawl make sense.
That's the entire Clone Wars era in a nutshell right there.
Unraveling all of the stupidity of those movies.
It didn't need that much of a think to make sense? Even as a kid I knew that sometimes people would do bad things for good reasons I also knew that in whatever conflict happens both sides think they're the good guys, so yes it makes sense.
Dooku was a hero in part, the separatist movement was against what the republic and Jedi became, there is even a dialogue where Dooku says that Qui Gon had his same ideals.
I never understand why this line is so hated. In these movies we've seen how corrupt and dysfunctional the Republic and the Jedi have become, so in a way the Separatist movement was for a good cause. Wouldn't it be obvious then that there would be heroes on both sides?
@@brodiemorris2081 I mean yeah, you can certainly IMAGINE that there's good people among the CIS, but they are never shown or even mentioned a single time in the movies themselves.
A plot hole or writing flaw doesn't become invalid simply because you can feasibly think of an explanation that isn't contradicted by the text, the text should answer these questions directly.
The fact that they had the idea of Padme approaching Anakin with a knife and it was REJECTED for crying Padme instead gives me severe depression.
I can only assume it was removed because it would have made her an interesting character.
@@epicbruhmoment6985 that plus cutting her rebellion side plot
Cool Fact-in the novelization Grievance says how he was “trained by the great count dooku” then obiwan says how he “trained the jedi who killed the great count dooku”. I was disappointed it wasn’t included in the movie.
I did not know this - that would have been cool af
The novel is leagues better than the film
Ah yes, General Grievance, my favorite Star Wars character.
@@fissilewhistle general grievous but he complains a lot
“You won’t get away this time a-Dooku”
Best line in the movie
It actually feels like Christmas, thank you for putting yourselves through this gents. My excitement for this video was a few thousand times higher than the actual movie at any point over the last twenty years
This movie is soooo good tho but I am very excited for this
Bruh
Putting themselves through this? Bruh it’s a movie relax
ROTS is amazing.
@@craighicksartwork I don’t hate it, I was just joshing around. Just a jest
Padmé getting reduced to a plot piece is just so sad considering the potential… she never comes to terms with Palpatine, her trusted friend and fellow gov official for *years,* using and manipulating her in his plot to seize power. she’s literally the one in the first film who calls for Valorum’s removal. Then she has one of the greatest lines in Star Wars history in this film.
“So this is how liberty dies-with thunderous applause.”
Love that line!
that line is widely mocked lol
@@steveb7932 Oh no, some internet nerds mock a line, That has certainly never happened before
@@OrgaNik_Music the line is stupid also
@@steveb7932 I think it’s a brilliant line. Padmé is watching her own government cheer and applaud the death of the republic because they’re so thoroughly brainwashed by Palpatine and there’s nothing she can do about it. The only disappointing things about it is how lame Padmé is in episode 3, and also that Padmé never has her “eureka” moment where she actually processes her trusted friend manipulating and betraying her
These 3 Caravan of Garbages are truly the best Star Wars review type videos since the Red Letter Media phantom menace reviews. Absolutely amazing, didn’t disappoint at all. Congrats to you two + the editors 🥂 be very proud lads
Very much appreciated mate!
Good take
The Order 66 scene is still one of my favorite Star Wars moments ever, I know a lot of people say it was meaningless until TCW but I disagree. Even as a little kid it hit me hard and that soundtrack is just amazing
TCW ruined Order 66.
It was a powerful scene. 💯 I also felt sorrow for Kenobi’s birdguana. It didn’t deserve to go out like that ☹️
@@vetarlittorf1807 Hard agree, took agency away from the clones and cheapened Palpatines political maneuvering, worst decision of the new canon imo
I heard somewhere that the Jedi actually knew about Order 66. It was deliberately put in place in case the Jedi were corrupt and tried to seize power, the leader of the Galactic Republic could initiate Order 66 and purge the Jedi, or maybe even just one specific Jedi. It just so happened that the Jedi were too dumb to realise that the head of the galactic republic was also a Sith.
@@JokeCubed In the republic commando books it fleshes them out more. It was a series of 150 contingency orders for worst case scenarios. Key strategic allies turning separatist, the chancellor being deemed unfit to issue orders, etc. Order 66 basically said "Yhe Jedi are trying seize control of the government, they need to be put down ASAP". It is remarked as odd that unilateral lethal force is called for, even for padawans and low level knights , but yes, it was just one of 150 orders that nobody really thought would be used
At least, thats how it was in legends
And now we wait for the inevitable Lord Of The Rings on Caravan of Garbage. Along with the Extended Edition commentary.
Here for it
That Amazon show will be awful.
@@anubusx okay
@@anubusx ok.
@@anubusx maybe, but just wait and see before casting judgement, or else you’ll never let yourself like it and it’s not worth knowing about it.
Hayden Christensen broke his toe when he kicked that helmet. #greentrivia
Time code ?
I think it’s a reference to lord of the rings the two towers.
Bitta pain could have brought out some emotion in him.
One of the councilmen that palpatine kills in his office is Kit Fisto. He’s actually a skilled duelist and fought on the front lines quite a few times in the clone wars. Sad to see him die with absolutely no fanfare, especially after how badass he was in the 2003 clone wars TV show
OK nerd
Hats off to Ben and Laurence for such a tremendous job on these prequel videos!
I can see why this needed an extra week to finish up! Superb editing and great visual gags abound. Well worth the wait, and well done to Ben and Laurence!
I’d actually love to see a Caravan of Garbage on The Room. This series is best when they try to understand terrible stuff
Which is why this episode is so good
Agreed
They haven't covered The Room???
@@AlejoConejo-vb8ln They said years ago that it was “too much of a low hanging fruit” but I’d say if they’ve forced themselves to watch all of the Transformers and Twilight films since then The Room should be good game…
‘The Fanatic’
With John Travolta, would be incredible.
My personal fan theory why Padme died is her lifeforce was being drained by Palp to keep Annakin alive. Makes a lot of sense especially how the scene of her dying coincides with Vader’s birth.
Every Star Wars fan when there's a weird plot hole that makes no sense because Lucas didn't think it through: "Palpatine did it"
Too bad they didn't put that in the movie. There was no reason why she should have died in childbirth, in a world with the most advanced medicine imaginable. I guess she was supposed to have died of a broken heart. What a load of horse pucky! They barely had a relationship because Lucas didn't know how to write one.
@@amiccus_ Padme dying of a broken heart isn't a plot hole. Do you people forget the same thing happened to Carrie Fisher's mother?
@@ElveeKaye Medicine can't prevent a broken heart death.
Padme dying IS a plot hole because in Return of the Jedi, Leia says she remembers her mother, her REAL mother.
Love the idea that Obiwon trained Anakin to be worse than him
I like that Ben is putting in his own opinions and completely undercutting James and Mason
Regarding the "there are heroes on both sides" comment, this is something else that's fleshed out on The Clone Wars. The Seperatist Alliance isn't an inherently evil organisation, it's being manipulated by the Sith into being so. Some world's join the Seperatists out of desperation (Rodia briefly joins because they have a food shortage and the Trade Federation offers supplies), some join out of distrust towards the Republic (the Japrael Sector), etc
There's even an episode directly called "Heroes on Both Sides", Season 3 Episode 10, which has Padmé trying to find peace with the Seperatists whilst Ahsoka spends time with the people of the Confederacy
While I agree that they try to present the Separatists as more being manipulated, their Government is, at the very least, complicit in numerous war crimes, like testing chemical weapons on neutral populations, developing banned bio-weapons, deliberately attacking civilians, etc which the republic is never shown doing (except kind-of Palpatine), makes it seem a lot less 'heroes on both sides' and more 'we have people who don't WANT to slaughter civilians, but are fine if it happens'.
@@SleventyFive I've not seen the relevant episodes of Clone Wars in *years* so my memory is kinda rusty, but is it not shown as most of the really bad stuff bring kinda done in secret? Like, it's obvious Dooku, the Geonosians, The Trade Federation etc are doing *something* nefarious, but the Seperatist Government don't really know the specifics, and are desperate enough for help in the war to not ask too many questions?
IDK, Clone Wars was great, it was also basically Star Wars propaganda to rescue the prequels. I expect the same will be done for the sequels one day. It's not like that Season 3 adventure was in mind when that crawl was written but instead made by Filoni and crew as another apologia for another weird bit of rough writing from the prequels. More to the point, that line is literally not supported by anything we the audience would have seen to that point.
It's almost like that should have been part of the actual trilogy and not a throw away line in the title crawl...
@@rubaiyat300 well yeah, I'm not suggesting it was a well written line at the time, I'm just commenting on how the canon justifies it as a whole. I enjoy the prequels probably a lot more than the average SW fan (except AotC, that ones shit), but I'm not about to pretend they're anywhere close to perfect 😂
5:28 In the Revenge of the Sith novel
Dooku thought Obi Wan was the bigger threat, mainly because he genuinely could did not see himself beating Obi-Wan's perfected defensive style
Like, Obi-Wan's style requires little movement and energy, so he wont tire easily
So Dooku, reached to the dark side to gather as much power as he could, and concentrated it on Obi Wan, to break the force shield protecting Obi Wan, and force choke him (Legends force mechanics)
The legends force mechanics are sweet, it really adds a whole metaphysical level to lightsaber duels (both combatants have a shield up and are actively trying to use the force on eachother, they're both trying to use their future-predicting-abilities but it kinda cancels out but also not really). It adds a lot to the physical battles but would be really hard to represent on screen unfortunately
35:34 the high ground is in fact a disadvantage in a swordfight more often than not, because the higher person has to reach down further to hit their opponent, who has easy access to his legs, and whose own legs are out of reach.
It depends what weapon is involved.
Its completely situational.
Different strokes for different folks
Forget the fact they’ve been leaping over lava for an hour a little slope on a hill defeats anakin 😂
However, in this case, Anakin couldn’t reach Obi Wan from his position & in order to get close enough/get on the high ground, he’d have to open himself up (which is what happened in the film, yk?).
"I had a rough morning but Ive processed it now" ..
Dead.
I really *really* would hate for Mace Windu to ever come back in anything because it would severely undercut Anakin's turn to the Dark Side.
not it would not lol. Anakin cut his hand off and palpatine was the one who dealt the killing blow. Anakins true turn was when he slaughtered all the jedi including the younglings
I mean they brought back The Senate from the dead at this point Disney looks at Anakin’s arc throughout the saga and says “ fuck it we like money”
@@Lavolpeengreece but how does bringing Palpatine back mess with Anakin’s arc? He wasn’t redeemed by killing him. He was redeemed for sacrificing his own life to save his son. If Anakin/Vader killed Palpatine after the latter completely fried Luke, that would feel like hollow revenge. Luke surviving is what matters for the story. He then helps the New Republic grow, trains the new jedi order, and when that falls apart, he saves the Resistance and trains Rey who helps restore the balance Anakin brought. Or to quote the Last Jedi “that’s how we’re gonna win. Not fighting what we hate. Saving what we love.” I know that line’s cheesy and on the nose as hell, but it’s been true to one of the main themes of Star Wars since the OT
@@directorforplastic7929 it’s less of Anakin being redeemed and more of him fulfilling the prophecy of being the Chosen One by bringing balance to the Force. He did it in an unorthodox way where instead of being stereotypically good and heroic his whole and beating the bad at the end, he turned bad but managed to grab hold of the good that was left within (with help from Luke) to kill the last remaining Sith while dying in the process. Having Palpatine come back makes Anakin’s actions in episode 6 be pretty pointless
@@shoo99ful It was the same way in legends too though. For another 20 someodd years after RoTJ Luke and the republic were fighting Empire holdouts and for 5 of those years Palpatine was back in a clone body. He also somewhat trained Luke but Luke was just pretending to be Palpatines apprentice until he could figure out how to defeat him.
I look forward to this series every week as you guys make it so fun to watch. Your editors are the best too
Just so much love for the editors here, the amount of hilarious shots they find is baffling to me.
7:49 Yes, the novelization of this movie establishes that the creature is named Boga and that Obi-Wan didn't technically buy it, but offered the guy "the liberation of his planet" as suitable compensation.
That salesman was probably later thinking "That lying fuck..." as the Empire seized their planet
I don’t think that Kenobi could’ve afforded to keep that birdguana fed on his Jedi stipend. That’s a LOT of mealworms and fresh fruits and vegetables…
Just as well. NO ATTACHMENTS! (waves finger)
Boga is a word for butt or asshole in brazilian portuguese
@@gedeonnunes5626 Thank you for teaching me that.
@@austintrousdale2397 Depends. The Jedi don't really "Own" anything but are given gifts, money, ect for their services through the galaxy. They could pretty much just go to their Jedi bank at the temple and get however much they wanted for whatever.
If I could like this video 40 times over, I would. This is the most hype I have been for a Caravan. Thank you to our wonderful editors.
if i could like this video 40 times over, I wouldn't. There is no need to get so excited over a Caravan, it is just a mode of transportation at the end of the day
Love the fact you used a Moist “whooooo” when Obi jumped out the vehicle is hysterical 😂
I've always thought the obi-won high ground moment is a reflection of his flip over maul, so he knows how to defend it (i like the idea he goaded him as he knows annakins pride is a weakness), which in turn is why Vader throws his saber when Luke has the high ground - like he has a flash back to what happened last time so just thinks, "screw this" and throws his saber instead to level the playing field
Loved the coverage guys, has been great to revisit the prequels and thoroughly enjoyed the series 👏 👍
It's actually in lore that anakin used to train against holo versions of Darth Maul growing up. He also knew the story of how obi wan beat Maul. Thus, in a moment of pride, Anakin wants to defeat Obi Wan in the same exact way, to humiliate him and show him how badass he is.. obi wan, knowing what he was thinking and going to try to do, fucks Anakin up.
I like your in-universe reason for why Vader tosses his lightsaber against Luke.
Obi-won realise you have to cut them before they go over your head.
This is some really good head canon. It makes a lot of sense both rationally and emotionally.
Lmao yeah just swing your lightsaber instead of looking at them flip over you. What a pro
This movie used to scare me as a kid. I didn’t like watching Padme choking, the Jedi getting shot, Anakin burning to death.
Same. Anakin’s death frightened me
"Where'd the iguana come from?"
Me: I remember in the junior novelization, Obi-Wan basically rented it.
Ben: I got you, fam
He's definitely not getting his security deposit back then.
What a stupid form of transportation, however he acquired it. This is a planet completely covered in cities, where would a creature that big even live? What does it eat? Who cleans up after it? Are there lizard stables somewhere? We see Obi-Wan driving a flying car, why didn't he use one of those? This is one of the dumbest scenes in the movie because it makes no sense in the overall context of where it's taking place.
Running with the idea of slipping in a weakness in young Anakin's training, I theorize that Obi-Wan continually imprinted in child Anakin that once you take the high ground there's only one move, and one move alone that could trump better footing. And that is to do a flip over your enemy's head.
y'know...when Qui-Gon asked Shmi, "Whose the father", and she responds with, "There was no father. I raised him. I fed him. I loved him. etc."
For YEARS after i always held the idea that Shmi was simply being a boss mom, saying that the father dipped out at birth or something.
i never once assumed she meant, "I was miraculously impregnated, and there was never a 'father' "
she also follows that sentence up with "I can't explain what happened. " implying she just became pregnant.
My assumption was always that it was supposed to be Plagueis. That's why he tells Anakin the story, including the specific detail that he could "influence the midichlorians to create life"
Ending this with "everyone shut up" is appropriate because that's been my reaction to all Star Wars discourse in recent years
As a massive fan of Star Wars I'm done talking about Star Wars to literally everyone ever.
I hate the community surrounding this franchise with as much passion as they hate varying aspects of this franchise.
That’s my reaction to the movies themselves
@@jimjam7928 you should hate the franchise too!
Should've been called Revenge of the Sixth because it's the sixth Star War
i love the banter between you two so much, it makes me laugh every time
Padme’s journey being having a big sulk and then dying is fucking hilarious.
20:40 an important detail of the Shatterpoint skill is how rare it is. Like Psychometry, you have to be born with Shatterpoint potential in order to use it in your adult Jedi toolkit. So it’s not like Kit Fisto and Master Vos could’ve picked it up from Mace before the big fight.
Movies: All but two Jedi were killed in Order 66.
Legends: There are more surviving Jedi than there are molecules in the galaxy.
Never really thought about it until the last time I watched it but I like how when palpatine’s like “my spies found grevious” he’s just lying and always knew where grevious was and just needs to wrap the war up so he tells Anakin to go get it all taken care of.
17:47 the Jedi thought the Sith were extinct after a battle 1,000 years prior to the invasion of Naboo. The only survivor was Darth Bane, who created the Rule of Two in order that the Sith keep surpassing each other and getting stronger over the centuries, and that line of Sith and apprentices ended with Plagueis, Sidious, and Vader. Granted, Maul showed up on Tatooine and again on Naboo, so the Jedi knew that a Sith had come back.
I love the editing on this one. Ben and Laurence did a great job . Fantastic episode all round.
27:29 I like the idea that Anakin has some bad dialogue here because as a Jedi, he wasn’t taught any flirting skills whatsoever. But it doesn’t make sense for Padmé to also suck at it? She’s a politician with the social skills to do her job well? That scene would’ve really worked if they implied that she taught him how to flirt during the early Clone Wars, and that would’ve made the Zygerrian Slaver CW arc even cooler since it’d show off Ani’s flirtation development.
Love it or hate it, it certainly is one of most memed movies in history.
Edit: now have 66 likes. You know what to do…
Edit (again): never mind. The Jedi shall be spared. Move along.
yeah it got memed to hell because of all it's cheese moments :D
the prequels and the spiderman trilogy are the most memed ever
Shoutout to the editing. You guys really killed it on this one.
Never thought of it before but Obi-Wan could have been like "Anakin, what is rule number one? if someone has the high ground, you literally can't lose. Just jump flip over them. Works every time."
For me I always reasoned the high ground scene with the comics. In a comic from mid 2010s (I think) we're shown that Anakin trains against a holo projected version of Darth Maul where his style was captured from security tapes. Anakin saw that his situation was very similar to Obi-Wan's in episode 1 and decided to go for the same move simply because he was so overconfident not knowing that Obi Wan was paying far more attention than Maul was.
I'm glad you referenced the novelization of ROTS. I just finished rereading it recently, and it's very good. There's a lot more detail and time to explain things that come off as kind of rushed in this movie, like Anakin's sudden betrayal. They really sew throughout the book that Anakin goes into a kind of manic exhaustion, unable to sleep because of his dreams and unable to think because of his exhaustion.
I love how the book also shows that Palpatine waited till kenobi was away so he could isolate anakin
I recommend the novelizations for the first two as well.
If I have to read a novelization of a movie in order to understand the story better, then the movie itself has failed
@@petrosinella Ive read those ones as well! I read the first two books, and then the Revenge of the Sith trilogy in preparation for Kenobi.
@@FlyingwithFire yeah, it's a master stroke. That final scene where he reveals himself as the sith Lord is hypnotic, kind of put me in a trance, so I can only imagine what Anakin must have felt.
Here’s what always got me about the chosen one thing
“Bring balance to the force”
Jedi: literally thousands of them
Sith: Maybe 2 - 3
What did the Jedi think was going to happen lol. He did technically “balance the force”
Edit: I know there’s a complicated in cannon explanation of this or how people define the force you don’t need to tell me
George Lucas said balance in the Force happened by "getting rid of evil in the universe," which suggests the Jedi thought balance was pure good. In a universe where there is, canonically, a Dark Side just as powerful as the Light, this doesn't make sense. Balance between such forces cannot cannot exist when all practitioners serve one side. _To the Jedi_ it makes sense because they see themselves as agents of balance and preservation.
@@RD-zx6py So the argument is that the citizens of the galaxy were turning evil to balance the good of the Jedi? I suppose that makes sense. Citizens were ready to cheer for militarization, war, the seizing of total power, the identification of their longtime protectors as hated enemies that must be rooted out, build the wall, Trump for Chancellor, et cetera.
I always thought it was like, the force is still balanced because the light side has to be shared amongst 1000 jedi. But all of the dark side is concentrated in just 2 sith. At least that's how Darth bane explains it when he came up with the rule of 2.
@@illwill1991 Given that Sidious wrecked a team of Jedi in seconds, and Vader chewed through hundreds in his career, I'm inclined to agree.
Kind of like how those Roman fellows weren't too keen on the idea of a messiah. Disrupting the balance of power isn't so appealing when you're the one in power.
It’s pretty mind-boggling that you’ve now gone through the entire prequel trilogy without mentioning that the original working title for Star Wars was ‘Blue Harvest’ but whatever
Did you know .. ..hehe, the reason for the code name "blue harvest" was so that the production wouldn't get ripped off while on location and buying stuff. If they admitted it was Star Wars they would be paying double for stuff and all sorts of taxes would get created to screw as much money out of them as possible.
Like in The Simpsons, when they shot the Fall Out Boy movie in Springfield haha the "leaving town tax".
Whenever people talk about this movie, it always makes me wish that this was the trilogy instead of the finale.
Like.. how crazy would it have been if the Mace windu palpatine confrontation was the end of the second movie and the cliffhanger going into the third?
Using Mace's ignominious death scene as a cliffhanger would have been rather puzzling, since it's hard to get emotionally invested in such a dull, unremarkable character with zero charisma. He was a complete waste of Samuel Jackson's talent, which is mainly screaming at people while punching them in the face. He doesn't do so well trying to act the part of the wise, calm, meditative Jedi Master. Mace's only claim to fame is having a purple lightsaber, which he swung around rather awkwardly before being yeeted out a window. Heh heh, Mace Window! I love it!
@@ElveeKaye if this was three movies I guarantee there would be a lot more development to the Jedi which is essentially what they were talking about with the Jedi takeover plot
@@israelsaadesnoozer377 honestly yea i know the prequels are already pretty political but even one scene of a random senator bringing up distrust or even suspicion of the jedi having ulterior motives would have been nice.
37:07 My college housing application just got cancelled because of a mistake I made, but honestly, this bit made me smile and feel better. Literally searched for the video for this bit. I really am feeling better now:
This is my favorite Star Wars movie, glad you guys are finally covering it
I reckon the Riddick films starting with Pitch Black would be good for this series.
The guys can see the the origin of Vin Diesel and how he got stereotyped into the cool action hero role
One thing that's always bothered me about the final confrontation between Anakin and Obi-Wan is that Obi-Wan draws his lightsaber first. I know he's been sent to kill Anakin, but I think it would've been more impactful if Anakin was the aggressor and Obi-Wan was doing everything he could to not kill him until he had no choice
He's a sith lord at that point. No choice but to obliterate him
@@JaceDeanLoveBut the point is that even though Anakin has turned, Obi-Wan should be doing all that he can to reason and talk sense with him. But once Anakin strikes at Obi-Wan then all bets would be off
I always viewed that he drew it to defend himself just in case, Anakin after all attacked first.
It's almost like the prequels are all poorly written and directed...
Would make more sense too because Obi wan is on the defensive for pretty much all of the fight
I think Vader and Sidious are derived from the words Invader and Insidious.
Next you're gonna tell me Darth Plagueis is derived from the word plague.
What? Is darth Tyranus derived from tyrant too?? And maybe Maul is derived from maul
And Darth bane is derived from....Bane. I am in shock at this revelation
No fucking way
Darth clement weather
Obi-wan checking his glovebox is an absolute masterpiece
I love this channel a lot and the algorithm is clearly trying to get me to watch this again. So here I am, years later. Still fantastic stuff.
The people who say they don't want politics in their science-fiction need to understand that politics exist in both science & fiction, and that sci-fi is merely a literary vehicle for allegory and societal / cultural deconstruction.
I think the problem most ppl had was not that the prequels had politics in them. It's that they had very poorly executed political intrigue. Political intrigue done right can elevate the story and take world building to the next level.
Instead we got what felt like the kind of political theater that someone in junior high would write...very superficial and lightly sprinkled in despite how much of our understanding of the events at hand rely on it. It never properly interweaves with the central plot in a convincing or satisfying manner. It just shows up as window dressing from time to time to remind us that political stuff is happening
I liken it to the paradigm where ppl constantly complain about too much CGI. Its not CGI that theyre really objecting to...but BAD CGI.
@person person lol the sequels had politcs??
@person person i know alot of ppl felt there was all kinds of in your face identity politics in those films, but i didnt really see it. And even if there was...it was far from the worst part of those films.
The sequels could've benefitted from some actual political intrigue...since there's next to zero world building or background on the state of the galaxy in them. But...they didnt even try
@@razorfett147 the closest thing the sequels get to touching politics (which isn’t even related to things like the government directly) is the Canto Byte stuff in TLJ with stuff about how the upper classes benefit from war and where that leaves the lower class, even though it primarily was just to serve Finn’s arc (and to have a hopeful ending shot)
The big caveat with well done examples of using allegory for politics or culture is that writers can't be too on-the-nose with it (which has been on the rise over the last decade or more). Writers showing that '___person/action___ is good' is great storytelling. *Telling* us that '___person/action___ is good' is weak sauce at best and grating at worst.
Have we ever gotten a concrete answer about what exactly was happening with Palpatine’s face? Did he always look like that and hid it? Did the force-lightning do that? What’s the deal there?
If that was in the sequels, people would be yelling about how it breaks canon or something.
According to Star Wars Insider Magaizne, he always looked like that. Palpatine used Sith Alchemy to hide his true form. He was so deep into the Dark Side that he became physically deformed by evil. Him being struck by his own attack forced him to reveal his true form, and he used his true form as propaganda when condemning the Jedi as traitorous murderers.
@@kingofdash9175 thank you! I’ve always wondered about what was going on there
@@theflickchick9850 god that’s so true
Can't believe I'd never thought about why lightning only fucked his face up and not anyone else who'd been hit with it. Wild stuff.
Best thing about Phantom Menace: the 15 minutes that Darth Maul is onscreen for
Best thing about Attack of the Clones: laughing at Attack of the Clones
Best thing about Revenge of the Sith: the first 25 minutes and the last 40.
Best thing about the prequels is Obi Wan, closely followed by Palpatine.
Last 40 minutes of RotS for sure.
And let's be honest, the best part of AotC is the fact that George Lucas inserted - into his fictional ancient fantasy space society - an actual 1950s Americana roadside diner. *chef's kiss*
Every line said in attack of the clones is either the funniest thing ever or the most cringeworthy thing ever lmao.
The Whole Movie of Revenge of the Sith is better then the original Trilogy
I like how when you say "Bring in some of the loose cannon Jedi!" you show two back to back clips of Kit Fisto, who was in fact one of the three guys Mace Windu brought with him.
They mention Kit being here specifically in older videos of the Clone Wars so I'm pretty sure they're aware, could've been an editing oversight though
Anyone else watching this over and over as some poor substitute for therapy and nostalgia warmth on your member berries?
This is definitely my favorite CoG video as of late, the editing and discussions are too good.
Do a caravan of garbage on every individual episode of Clone Wars and Rebels!
Or just do more Fast and Furious movies. Like 4, 5, and 6 or something. Yeah.
Guys, I just want to say that this video is the only thing I've been looking forward to after a looooong day, you've made me so happy covering the prequels and have put a smile on my face. Keep up the good work guys, keep spreading the cheer!
19:16 It's funny how they say "Bring in some of the loose cannon Jedi" and use footage of Kit Fisto, who was literally one of those 3 Jedi who Darth Sidious killed in less than a minute.
5:59 The Charlie "yeah baby" scream is the chef's kiss in this editing
It’s funny because when Palpatine is naming Vader it does sound like he’s just stumbled upon an interesting choice in his big book of names for new Sith Lords.
"Henceforth, you shall be known as Darth... _hmm, how about Malak? Nah, that's dumb. Bane? Eh, his ego is already big enough. Sion? Ok now we're just getting ridiculous. Vader? Yeah sure I guess_ ...Vader."
I just imagine Palpatine with a huge name list and scratching out one at a time as he reads through history of the sith
@@hdns4 "Darth Trocity? Darth Bliterate? Darth Bnoxious?"
I maintain that some sith graduate student just made a huge list of all vaguely sinister names in Basic for his doctoral theisis. All Sith for the next 2000 yrs are just working thru the list.
19:30 Iam McDiarmid is the hero of the prequels, both in terms of storytelling and in terms of being the best at chewing scenery
Calling Anakin nearly burning to death “Anakin’s Big Accident” is the funniest fucking thing i’ve heard in 6 months that i’m trying to hold back losing it in the middle of class just thinking of it holy shit
The musical score by Hanson is the perfect cherry on top.
I like to call him "Extra Crispy Anakin".
I remember reading in a book (maybe the novelisation) that Obi Wan didn't mean to chop up Anakin like that. He went to guard against the flip, but mistimed it because Anakin was being so aggressive. He went to block and hit the elbow, then when he went to reset his stance the lightsaber went clean through his knees. It was an accident, not sure if Anakin could claim on it though because of the whole evil space wizard thing
I like when Griveous pulls out his four lightsabers, Obi-Wan smiled, he was excited to tear him to pieces. I think that Obi-Wan could've ripped Griveous with the force but he decided not to because he wanted to fight him.