Refuses to kill the guy actually responsible for the deaths of the king and queen, but perfectly happy to slaughter her way off the ship, with the majority of her kills being people that in no way were complicit. Yep, sounds about right.
Which also reinforced the bad guys narrative that she was the one who did it. If I was there and saw her massacre her way through the ship killing my friends and then was told she killed the king I would 100% believe it and so would anyone else they told.
The entertainment industry is so narcissistic that no one in it has ANY clue what a hero is. They can't muster the level of selflessness required, so they can't write heroes.
I absolutely love when a main character kills like 150 henchmen, sees the main big bad and randomly develops a moral compass and decides not to kill him, then proceeds to kill another 100 henchmen.
This kindve hole-riddled writing is excusable for video games because of the gameplay mechanic argument and cut scenes being viewed through a different lens, but with Film/TV they have no excuse to drop coherent written characterization.
On another note, I like to think the reason why the grain is so important to the empire is because Zack read/watched Dune before making Rebel Moon and thought "Hey, that Spice stuff is pretty cool. Let's put it in my movie as well, but a bit different." He who controls the grain, controls the universe. This is probably not the case, but we're talking about Zack Snyder, so everything is possible.
The dumbest scene was watching farmers in the far future collecting their harvest by hand in slow motion and chucking it unto a levitating cart. Instead of using a single combine harvester.
The farmers harvesting is a perfect example of unrealistic fantasy... two completely different timelines merged into one with zero logic. The equivalent of flying cars needing to use a manual crank for providing air conditioning.
@@billzjr222 That was a joke. Ofc nobody will. And unlike you, I've initially seen that Snyder is over-praised mediocrity living on hype. By the way, the same as Shyamalan and Nolan, only worse. But people in general are not very smart, so charlatans like this manage to fool them for 10 years until they create something so mediocre that everyone’s eyes open.
@@quinetastic I haven't seen Oppenheimer, I've seen everything else. The same overpraised mediocrity as Shyamalan and Snyder. Don't even give me Batman as an example, people only remember the 2nd film from the entire trilogy, and they only remember Ledger from that film. After the armored car somehow drove onto a skyscraper, and Batman fell from the building on his back and remained unharmed, you can stop giving those to me as an example. And no one can even retell what parts 1 and 3 were about.
Well this could work - with better characters (and someone else than Hack Snyder): The movies establish that Kora was raised by Bad Guy - after he lead the troops that killed her parents. So if there were scenes indicating that Belisarius did not only raise her as his personal killing-machine, but also looked like he really cared for her, then this would be believable. The obvious comparison would be Gamora and Thanos: Gamora hated what he did (and what he made her do), so she killed the illusion-Thanos in Infinity War when she saw her chance. But she was obviously distressed afterwards. Because he wasn't just a monster. He really loved her (in his twisted way). I don't know ... since Snyder has stitched this movie together from so many better things it's possible that he really used Gamora as "inspiration" - but like with everything else forgot to have it make sense in his universe.
@@lordmontymord8701eh doesn’t matter where he got the inspiration and even gamora tried to kill thanos so that comparison you’re trying to do is pretty invalid just say what it is a dumb character written by a dumb creator 😊
A villain being so far up his own ass that he literally has his own traveling orchestra to hype him up us actually such a cool concept. But unfortunately it's terribly executed here.
The orchestra's rehearsals were the most intricate part of his plan. Twelve hundred pages of music were written and rehearsed based on every possible outcome.
that put the image of Darth Vader descending down from his imperial shuttle ramp with a homeboy several steps behind him holding a boom box over his head blasting "the imperial march" music.
not sure why anyone would even watch Rebel Moon... unless chained to a wall with their eyelids torn off. I would rather pull weeds in the backyard as compared to watching Rebel Moon.
Of all the dumb af things in this scene, a character called Belisarius being a traitor hurt me the most. The real Belisarius was unfailingly loyal, despite being suspected of being a traitor during his many opportunities to do so.
So she murders an innocent child, decides not to kill the treacherous villain who betrayed her for… reasons. Then decides to slaughter countless ship crew members who did her no wrong whatsoever. Is this the protagonist we are supposed to root for and hope that nothing awful happens to her?
Drinker, I've long believed the "dumbest scene" was the "world class scientists" removing their helmets to fondle an alien live form in Prometheus - but this new scene gives it a run for its money.
I'll give you that that scene is dumber , but I think "Covenant" has a funnier scene when that dumb bytch slips and falls twice in the same blood puddle! 😆😆😂😂😂
My 1st watch of Prometheus, I loved it! 2nd time, I was like “Wait a minute… why did he? Why did she? Why did they?” The 3rd time, I loved it even more for how fucking stupid the actual plot was and just relished in all the stupid death cuz of stupidity…haha
@BeatsAndMeats 3 times? Jesus. I saw it once in theaters, then had nothing to say to my family the entire ride home. I wanted to forget that movie as fast as possible Great costume design though
So when she blew up the engine and apologized, she was apologizing to the engine because it’s sentient and she had to kill it. You know it would’ve made that moment a little bit more impactful if at any point in time, we were told that the engines were sentient beings.
Sentient coal eating goddesses? Or do the goddesses power the engine and the coal plant just power the every day functions? I got to get off this thread for a while for a half a second it started to make sense
Hmm…you’re totally right. But did you catch that “Kali” is like the Hindi goddess???? dId Ya?! 😂 So lemme get this straight, this girl murdered the magic princess, carelessly kills most people on the ship in order to escape the coup d’état, but then feels bad about killing…the brave little toaster who is running the engine of the ship? Is this character development or stupidity?
The scene where sword Bae is fighting 5 men alone and there are like 20 villagers hiding behind tables with guns not even trying to help while she gets hacked apart was another crowning achievement in "Why?"
They hyped her up for two films only for her to go out like a complete chump to some rando with a beard. Doesn't help that a capable soilder was hiding in the back with the others without doing anything to support her.
I hated that scene with all my being. also she has robot arms with decades of battle tactiics and TWO BURNING BLADES and failed to kill dudes in a 1v1 fight that were using only 1 so fucking stupid.
Why was she soo shit at fighting. She can't defeat one guy or alien without help. In the first movie she was like revenge is bad, but her whole backstory and action in the movies is taking revenge. Make it make sense Also the robot arms taught her to fight by using her blood, after she cut of her arms??
I'll give Snyder some credit for creating movies that will have the audience arguing over which is the worst scene. That's almost an accomplishment in itself.
It’s the only reason I still watch his movies, they actually make for a great conversation topic if your friends are movie buffs cause you can talk endlessly about which superior movies Snyder tried to rip off.
You make Zac Snyder sound like a more prolific version of Tommy Oiseau (the director of The Room, for the benefit of anyone wondering). And if my spelling of either name is wrong, it's because I don't care enough to get it right.
@@kevstacey8639 Tommy Wiseau was hilariously bad, turning a boring cliché romantic drama into a dark comedy. Snyder's movies are just bland and boring, with stupid unnecessary amounts of slow-mo.
snyder only made 4 or 5 good movies 2 of them are opinionized for being good or bad Dawn of the Dead (wasn't even made by him really) 300 watchmen sucker punch (opinionized) man of steel (opinionized)
I think the scene in 'Highlander 2' when it's revealed that the immortals are in fact alien criminals incarcerated on the prison planet 'Earth' must rate
Depending on how much of a Star Wars nerd you are (or were, now), such as myself, I tie it between that, and in The Last Jedi, the evil "Supremacy" and its entire support fleet, crewed and led by white men, getting hyperspace rammed and destroyed by a literal purple haired nonbinary space lesbian in a "maneuver" that there is no way she could have known it would work how it did. However cool that scene LOOKED, and in all fairness sure the actual impact LOOKED and sounded cool, it still completely annihilated and invalidated 99% of the Star Wars space battle lore, especially considering despite them literally saying in the start of RoS that "That was a one in a million fluke" or whatever AS AN EXCUSE FOR why they don't just use it to solve every single problem in the movie, like just taking a few small ships and ramming Palpatine's whole fleet at Exogol, (they are literally all just sitting there in rows asking for it LOL) we see at the end of Rise of Skywalker that it is in fact just a normal thing now; any larger capitol ship/dreadnought and probably even death star sized space station can be easily annihilated by anything larger than a fighter just going lightspeed at it. There is zero reason why people wouldn't start just manufacturing Clone Wars-esque drone ships that are little more than maneuverable hyper drives, whose sole purpose is to ram larger enemy vessels, since it apparently even goes through their shields. Anyways, "Somehow Palpatine returned" is probably still worse... Oscar deserved better LOL.
@@thehoerscorral8565 Don't forget, in that "movie" Oscar also had to deliver the line "Nav can't tell which way's up out there." He should probably sue.
@@packman7631 LOL he definitely needs to at least fire his agent. Between this and Moon Knight they are clearly huffing some of that GOOD good from Disney.
It is said that Disney likes to have final creative control over its projects and so does Snyder over his and that was allegedly the reason why Disney ultimately refused Snyder working for Star Wars.
"What do you fellows get an hour?" "Oh, for playing we get ten dollars an hour. "I see. What do you get for NOT playing?" "TWELVE dollars an hour. Now for rehearsing we make a special rate. That's fifteen dollars an hour." "That's for rehearsing?" "That's'a for rehearsing." "And what do you get for NOT rehearsing? "You couldn't afford it. You see, if we don't rehearse, we don't play; and if we don't play, that runs into money."
"so, we'll have to be sneaky, fast, and efficient with this assassination, take care of it as fast as possible to avoid suspicion" "what if we brought an opera instead ? and have them play dramatic music when we kill him ?" "why ?" "idk it would really be funny i guess"
"If the studio interfered, it would've felt like a film made by a focus group" Brother Zack, not only are YOU the focus group, you're the entire upper executive committee with a sprinkle of writing input from Chat-GPT.
I was particularly fond of the scene where one of the rebels sees the main bad guy escaping on a ship, throws his perfectly working gun down and jumps aboard the ship to have a fist fight. Then after being beaten half to death, pulls out a knife.
You know, in my 40 years of watching movies with Cary Elwes in them, I always thought his death in Twister was the dumbest that ever happened to him. Thank you, Zack, for changing that.
After writing scenes, I often sleep on them for several days, running through the events from each person's perspective taking into account their personal history, ambitions, and skills. "Does anything not make sense?" That question haunts my dreams. Apparently, that's not the same for everyone 😂😂
Not only that, but the emperor betrayed _him_ out of insecurity, causing Byzantium/Rome’s hero to die poor. He was horribly wronged by this betrayal, and then Zack goes and gives his name to the traitor in his story. That’s just really gross to me.
But he IS sharing his name with an infamous Magos biologis that somehow managed to mass produce a supposedly better version of spacemarines (which would of course mean he improved on the work of the EMPEROR) complete with all new and improved armor, weapons and even vehicles. A magos biologis with the most contrived backstory ever contrived in the deepest and darkest dungeons of GW and plot armor thicker than donald trump.
The titanic band played music because they were trapped and had no way out but the rebel moon band kept playing in the face of a firefight they could have run from. Truly inspiring dedication to their craft.
They can also HEAR everything in this room just fine. Like they can't hear their king and his family walking in, talking, then clearly getting betrayed? Honestly bagging their heads does fucking nothing. Well it makes them look retarded, but that was a given.
And adapting the piece to the ongoing action on the fly… now that takes mastership. Unless Belisarius knew exactly how things were going to go down and had this dramatic musical score composed beforehand. Seems risky though. Someone might overhear them rehearsing and warn the king.
@@Dori-Ma Considering that they have to change their music depending on what's going on around them, they do have to see. But apparently that doesn't matter, lol.
Know what makes this even worse? They didn't bother to get actual musicians to play the parts and the music doesn't match the movements of the bows and fingers. Then again, it is four people producing the sound of a string orchestra.
Three of them look like they at least know how to hold their bows correctly while the other one is holding it like a screwdriver. I wouldn't be surprised if that was Snyder under that hood thinking it was a clever way to get himself on screen with no one realizing he had.
The thing that really makes no sense is why Belaserious? does the whole "SHE'S THE ASSASSIN. SIEZE HER. SHE'S THE KILLER." bit when I assume everyone in the room was in on his scheme. I mean, they were all there. They all participated in the assassination. Who is he trying to convince? It's not like they all just walked in the room and found the king and his family dead on the floor, wondering "Who would do such a thing?"
Brainwashing or making them buy into their own propaganda. It's much easier to do the wrong thing when you're convinced you're the good guy. You see it all the the time in tyrannical regimes in movies and such. Invent an enemy and pretend that everyone that is not with you are really the problem.
Another GOOD example of the diegetic sound is in the Star Trek TNG episode "The Inner Light." Picard experiences an entire lifetime on a dying world, where he learns to play a flute. At the end of the episode he's alone in his quarters with the only thing left from that world, that flute, and he starts to play that sad melody he learned, then you see the ship fly away from the exterior while that song keeps playing. Hits you right in the feels.
Also hilarious how Zach clearly wanted a quartet, but they could only find 3 people who knew how to play a stringed instrument . Second guy from the right is just holding his bow ham fistedly and sawing back and forth across the strings 😂😂😂
Agreed about the protagonist not offing the antagonist at the earliest opportunity. A tertiarily-related moment is the fate of Richard Chance in "To Live and Die in L.A." A very unexpected thing happens, and it's perfect.
When the orchestra started playing the dramatic music, I started laughing my ass off to the point of insanity. Snyder has truly achieved making a movie so bad that its impossible not to rip apart
@@MrNegativecreep07if only they'd had a sequence where they keep adding stuff to their knives until they had guns. I'm still confused as to why Jimmy Carr's grown a beard and decided to play the bad guy in a mediocre Netflix Star Wars ripoff.
My favorite diegesis bar none is in The Truman Show, where sorting out what's diegetic and what isn't - when you're watching the movie, the show, behind the scenes, or your own participation- is a roller coaster romp. The soundtrack plays those ambiguities masterfully.
@@hariman7727 Yup already there, myself. Have you guys heard of this thing called "outside" ? There's one really big shiny thing but otherwise it's pretty cool
There's shitloads of REALLY good anime coming out right now, much of it immediately dubbed into English and many other languages. All different genres. I'd suggest looking there, see if anything strikes your fancy. :)
You need steam to mix with certain other elements to created the fuel for the light-drive. (That was the best I could come up with on short notice.) Signed-Richard
@@theunknowman12 It is more advanced then that, but they need the Coal and it has to be a certian temp, that only Coal can get to perfectly. Signed-Richard. Blame the Scientist that invented it.
The thing that this doesn't have is it cannot retroactively destroy people's childhoods. Star wars was a betrayal of decades of customers emotional investment.
I was just about to comment the same! It's things like that that really show how much they cared about the viewer - this is such a bad movie on so many levels.
I was on a Zoom call with colleagues where I was telling them that Rebel Moon 2 was "an insult to the entire art of filmmaking and indeed the art of story telling itself, dating all the way back to Homer and beyond." Someone came onto the call having just heard that part of the sentence and said, "Oh, are we talking about Rebel Moon?"
You missed the best part, the princess saying ”I forgive you”. You know because when someone destroys everything that you hold dear that’s the first thing that comes to mind.
@@NewStarConstellation find me a single human being on the planet, Gandhi included, that would ever respond like this… that could not be a more unnatural and then inhuman response…. ESPECIALLY when it’s coming from a pretentious noble 🤣🤣. This might hurt your feelers, but humanity is not a naturally peaceful species, it is inherently violent like every other animal species that grew up fighting to survive……………….
You gotta do "Nightingale". The main character kills everyone who wronged her (against their will), but when she has the chance to kill the main guy responsible...she sings at him
2:10 Wait, the traitor is named Belisarius? Forget the quality of these movies. The fact a villain is named for one of history’s most capable and noble generals - who was constantly undermined by his own emperor and hi subordinates - is egregious.
Other examples of Diegetic sound in films include Baby Driver when he puts his headphones on before the car chases, Marty McFly playing Johnny B. Goode in Back to the Future, when the characters accidentally hit the jukebox in Shaun of the Dead and it plays Don’t Stop Me Now by Queen, Peter Quill and his Walkman in Guardians of the Galaxy. Idk, but I find a discussion about diegetic sounds way more interesting than Rebel Moon Part 2.
Just stop you're goofy sound critique elitist mentality. Basically any song a an actor place or listens to during the movie can count. You don't even need to know the concept for a director to have I cluded it in the movie
@@Lunarcheese72 Pretty sure this was another inspiration for this scene. But Hack doesn't understand why the Red Wedding worked, just like he doesn't understand all the other things he threw into these movies.
One of my faves is Lucy Liu's entrance to the nightclub with her minions in the first "Kill Bill"--that incredible "Battle Without Honor or Humanity" by Tomoyasu Hotei makes simply walking awesome. Then at the end it brutally drops back to the girl band onstage. nondiagetic to diagetic sound in one scene. Not sure where I'd put that opening scene in "Baby Driver"--we see him put on the phones, but then the music continues through the chase. So it's established as diagetic, but continues as nondiagetic in the scene.
This scene genuinely looks like a parody, something out of a Space Balls or The Naked Gunn. The dumb and confused royals and guards, the orchestra playing a faster a more ominous tune while the assassination takes place, the presents dramatically accusing the main character even though there is no other witness in the boiler room besides people already part of the conspiracy, the villain being spared without any logical reason...
She didn't dare to shoot the villain because the villain is her stepped dad. She took part in the assassination because she wanted revenge against the kings who killed her family and destroyed her planet, got taken away with some other kids left and trained to become heartless imperial soldier.
I've said it before but Snyder's biggest problem other than writing his own dialogue and being given too much creative control, is that he always goes with what looks cool, but his idea of cool hasn't been relevant for almost 2 decades at this point.
Agreed, also the fact that he thinks that a gender neutral, Tomboy girl is cool to have as a lead character, makes it obvious that he lives in the Hollywood woke bubble, which makes the movie even more unbearable.
I love how Cora’s second or third round after freeing herself fired 30 degrees downward from the direction her hand gun is actually pointed. Slow motion really helped to hide it too.
The best part is not only did she just WATCH the King and Queen get assassinated slowly, she didn't even shoot the main villain who did this right after. And SHE EVEN goes on to massacre hundreds of regular employees on the ship and people standing by who had no idea wtf happened while they just did their job. *Nah she's 100% gonna get hunted down and brought to their court*
The main villain that you referring to is her stepped dad who adopted her. She took part in the assassination because she wanted to revenge against the king who slayed her family, destroy her planet, they took her and some other kids that's left and trained them to become a heartless imperial guards. The villain and other councils wanted to end the royalty bloodlines regime and changed into democracy. She felt betrayed when he put her as a scapegoat but he knew she was unstoppable and able to free and fight her way out of this affair. She is killing machine.
She clearly stated that she'd been groomed by belisarius and that he knew she could never kill him. She expected him to protect her. Not to turn on her. Next time, put on subtitles so that you can understand and not embarrass yourself.
A super technologically advanced empire going through so much effort over grain is like saying the empire from Star Wars exists only to collect toilet paper. 🤦♂️
Yeah lmao and the fact they have to almost beg for it from a bunch of farmers who refuse to use modern technology but ... actually they don't. They live this rural old lifestyle but then use hover-carts to throw their crops in rather than something with maybe less independence on technologically advanced spare parts. It's sort as inconsequential like the rest of the movie.
That's pretty much what I said. They have interstellar travel, but no capacity to grow food on this enormous ship? I mean, we can make meat in a lab now. Then I saw that the ships were powered by coal and I said oh never mind logic isn't important apparently carry on.
The fact that they were chronically short of toilet paper would explain why the Emperor and Darth Vader were always in such bad moods. I'd be willing to blow up a planet or two if I constantly had to send legions of stormtroopers to secure a roll of toilet paper for me.
@@Unknown-ek1ox See also: Snyder also discovered WH40k right before this movie was made and added the serfdom aspects of some worlds (look at knight worlds), as well as the technological mismatch on some of the worlds (look at the kit of various Imperial Guard units and PDFs). These movies are to 40k what Lordi is to GWAR.
(SPOILER) My favorite so far has been in the two recent God of War games, where the themes of the characters whose deaths have been most devastating, Fae and Brok, are uniquely diegetic.
5:18 Tragically, this couple are apparently also depictions of real life events. These are Isa and Isidor Strauss, who were incredibly wealthy husband and wife couple who owned the Macy's toy store in Chicago along with Isidor's brother. The two had been married for over forty years, and when the Titanic was sinking, despite Isidor urging her to board a boat to safety, Ida insisted on remaining by her husband's side in their final moments. In an ironic quirk of fate, their great-great granddaughter would lose her husband, Richard Rush, in the OceanGate submersible. ... I'd literally rather talk about anything other than Rebel Moon.
My grandparents met and got married after only three days and remained married till granddad died. He died in hospital and my grandmother refused to get out, saying that this would be the first thing she ever did without my granddad in 40 years, and if she did, then he will truly be dead (aka he would have to accept he died). She died within a year out of broken heart.
@@J.J.Jameson_of_Daily_Bugle When say stuff like" She died of broken heart." I don't think that a broken heart is a thing. My grandfather blew his brains out with a saturdaynightspecial as the VA would not cover his cancer treatments. 5
So a guy named after a 6th century Byzantine general (Belisarius) who served his emperor loyally, kills his king in a fashion of a well known but completely different Roman historical model six centuries earlier, while an orchestra plays a diegetic score in a mirror of "The Rains of Castamere" playing at the Red Wedding in Game of Thrones? Even without all the other serious flaws in the scene...that's ridiculous. That's the sort of unoriginality that, before streaming, you'd see on direct-to-DVD releases that no one ever watched.
Belisarius was extremely loyal to Justinian, both as a general and as a friend. The disrespect is real. Either Snyder just picked a random name for a general, which is just lazy, or he picked that name specifically, which is edgy as fk.
I couldn't believe Drinker didn't pick up on the obvious Red Wedding rip-off. He gave this guy way too much credit with the whole Titanic explanation, it was even simpler and dumber than that.
"Because, you know, classical music is for smart people, right? And he wanted his movie to be smart. Hence the orchestra with the bags on their heads." LMFAO! 😂😂😂😂😂
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Bellisarius, one of the greatest and most loyal generals in the history of Rome. By far the greatest eastern Roman general. Great use of history Zach 😂
@@notshapedforsportivetricks2912seriously. He was so badass man he and Stilicho and Aurelian are among my favorites of post pagan/end of the united Roman Empire.
@@mattandrews2594 yeah but dune has the houses and a complex power sharing system, the details of which are all laid out and consistent.. not to mention its an emperor not a king and not s 1 to 1 replica of the feudal system in space.. in that setting it actually makes sense
- Overpowered grrrl boss with the standard-issue butch haircut mowing down men and/or throwing them around like ragdolls? Check. - Interminable slow-motion action sequences that accomplish nothing except make the whole scene drag? Check. - Lots of pew-pew and explosions to paper over ridiculous plot holes that the filmmakers hope you won't notice? Check. - An overly stylized fight scene that boils down to one long, tedious, obsessively choreographed dance rather than an actual brawl? Check. - Excruciatingly bad dialog that sounds like a teenage girl's fan fiction? Check. Yup, this is definitely a show written and filmed in the 2020s.
The thing that irked me, was these racists behind this movie calling the villain Belisarius who was the greatest General in post collapse Roman empire. (yes i know in the movie they spelt it Balisarius)
@@TheBelrick Dude, I'm right there with you. Reading a history of Justinian's reign right now and Belisarius was a damn impressive general who deserves his own movie.
@@Zapp__Brannigan Eric Flint wrote a 6 book series with Belisarius as the main character in a fictional war. He was a great man. So was Justinian in his own right through his code of laws.
There is no musical instrument I know of that you can't play while blindfolded. In fact, needing to look at any instrument is a liability. To be really good at it, playing without looking should be one of your goals. I say this as a former guitar teacher. Same for needing to read the music. Being able to sight read perfectly is a musical superpower, but most "classical" musicians memorize every song in order to perform it.
The musicians playing the music that WAS the soundtrack was it for me. This is Lesley Nielson/Naked Gun level where he's walking alone doing a voice monologue with a blues trumpet in the soundtrack and he turns the corner and sees a trumpet busker is actually playing the tune. LMAO.
Super analogy. Films like Kentucky Fried Movie, the Naked Gun, Airplane - all drew attention to the various tropes used in films. Wouldn't be a bad idea to analyse them to avoid rubbish film making.
Another thing, that I find absolutely hilarious was: how completely useless the (not)-Magnificent Seven are. We spend the entire first movie, going from planet to planet, gathering these jabronies and are let to believe they have some special skills, which will come to play during the climactic battle, right? WRONG! For example: the space Tarzan dude. We spend a long sequence in part 1, where he tames that Hippogriff. So, you assume that he will gather some of these creatures and lead them into battle against the Imperium forces. Instead he just fights like a normal dude. Or the Asian chick, with the (not)-lighsabers, you would think she will go full-on Rurouni Kenshin swordmaster style, instead she has 1 fight scene against 4 enemy soldiers, which she barely defeats and then dies from her injuries. And best of all: Djimon Hounsou's general Titus, who is supposed to be the greatest general in the galaxy. You think: ''Oh man, he's gonna use some cool tactics and what not." His strategy is: "Use the sacks of flour as cover, because the Empire needs the grain." And Plan B: ''Do a frontal assault against an enemy with superior numbers & firepower." Alexander the Great, Hannibal Barca, Sun Tzu, Napoleon Bonaparte & Marshal Rommel have nothing on this ''strategic genius".
Characters in a fictional movie/novel can only be as smart as the writer portraying them, so now we are aware of the level of intellect we are dealing with in Zach Snyder.
@@Musashi-if3tl This is the real failing of Snyder and much of the rest of recent Hollywood; its defenders claim that it's unfair to break stuff down piece by piece because that's just 'nitpicking' or whatever, but the truth is that virtually ALL of this recent slop completely falls apart if you actually stop to think. That's why jump cuts, shaky cam, over the top lens flare and explosions (and thanks to the MCU, quippy one liners and jokes every other line) are so abused. If the audience is just laughing and clapping like seals, they won't question that the scene just preceding was complete garbage. ...and yet somehow Snyder's attempts with Rebel Moon are even worse.
Maybe they’re saving all the awesomeness of the (Not) Magnificent Seven will come thru in parts 3-6… because oh yes, there’s grumbling that this is to be a 6 parter! 🤮
Did anyone notice the plot of this film parallels A Bug’s Life? Grasshoppers coming down to threaten the ants over grain production. An ant gathering a “dream team” to fight them.
Not to mention, when commissioning the most advanced and lethal ship in your arsenal you do it in the engine room with a small group of politicians?? Whatever you do, don't have it on the flight deck with admirals, the ship's crew, a military orchestra and static displays of fighters, drop ships, etc. It was beyond dumb, but by that point I was already numb and fast forwarding through most of the movie.
Seems too few musicians for an orchestra, also lacking a conductor; more a quartet. Guess the villain was dealing with space inflation and the rising cost of coal or something. 😂
You mean 3 musicians and a guy who obviously lied to get the job because you can see he's playing that instrument with the same level of skill that Snyder used to make this movie.
Mel Brooks made a great diegetic sound joke in "Blazing Saddles." Cleavon Little is proudly riding through the desert on his way to become the new sheriff of Rock Ridge while we hear Count Basie's Orchestra playing his classic tune "April in Paris." It's just standard movie music until Cleavon trots past the Basie band on a bandstand in the desert, and exchanges warm greetings with the Count.
Yes, classic. But like everything with Mel Brooks, done with a heavy hand. Have you ever watched the deleted scenes from Young Frankenstein? Horrendous!
My wife and I got absolutely hammered watching Part 2. Drink every time there is slow-mo during a scene... We didn't make it to the end, we passed out but made it somewhat enjoyable.
Well I can imagine that drinking while watching this would be the only way to get some enjoyment out of it and passing out from being completely hammered sounds more amusing than falling asleep from boredom.
@@kuturak that is very true, the entirety of the writing is garbage and the main characters are less interesting than the most generic side characters in better written films.
a quote from a science fiction novel I read, can't remember the title: a LA surfer is surfing when an asteroid creates a massive tidal wave which hits the west coast. He surfs the wave right into a skyscraper 'when death is inevitable, all there is left is style... Style'
To be honest though: Large Space Empires being ruled by Feudalism has been around since Dune, and has stayed as a beloved Sci Fy trope. Also, I would absolutely dig ships with the capablity of interstellar travel which engines are run by furnaces, as long as you present a semi-believable sci-fy mumbo jumbo reason. In fact, there lies the biggest fun of sci fy.
Another stupid thing: why would the evil general frame Kora? She's his greatest asset. She's skilled, she's good at what she's doing, and she's loyal. I was like why the fuck.
Indeed if he wanted to sacrifice someone from his crew he wouldn't sacrifice his best and most valuable soldier and instead give some dumb useless guy. The Gomer Pyle of the bunch in a manner of speaking.
You may need someone competent so the story is believable. But (I didn't watch the thing) why does he need a scapegoat at all? Isn't this a coup d'etat i.e. the bad guy is the new king with absolute power? Who does he need to placate with a scapegoat? His underlings are already on board to knife the king, who else needs convincing, the masses? Just bring the classic "the old regime was corrupt lazy and incompetent, i will do much better, these important guys all think so too". Why throw away an asset that is okay to murder a king and child for you, hard to find someone that loyal and competent
@@EnCey2 Or even, "I'm in charge now, what are you going to do about it, considering I'm in command of the most powerful spaceship the galaxy has ever seen. Oh and all the other warships." As proven in several countries known for their "benevolent" leaders, if you downtread the population enough they simply won't care as long as they can left alone to survive.
When critical drink mentioned diegetic music and explained it, I remembered coming across that term and the use of it while studying history in film entertainment out of my passion for history and learning about history in general. Can’t remember exactly when I heard about it, but I know it was a couple years ago. I agree with Drinker on orchestra in the movie Titanic as a good example of used properly in a movie. It really did hit for me emotionally taking in that scene of it sinking, the shots of the different characters in the same grave situation despite their differences in walks of life, the sad but accepting of their fate in this infamous naval disaster. And this historically is true of the orchestra on board the Titanic from historical accounts which I approve of the decision and this in the film.
My girl saw this film on Netflix and said she loved the costumes and wanted to try it out. One of the first scenes she's talking about how she's so strong and bad ass and how she was taught that love was weakness and before I could even finish rolling my eyes she turns to me and goes "I seriously hate this girl... can we turn this off?" Tell me you married a winner without telling me...
Not on this movie but as we walked out of Dune 2 my wife said "god if only the movie didn't have that annoying girl that looks like a man" Pretty self explanatory
@lourencomurteira9353 ? What "girl that looks like a man"? By far the biggest downturn for everyone I talked to about the film was Paul's sudden change in behaviour and how he treated her tbf
Agreed in that you can tell such a story if you bother to actually tell a story. Few would question why the Warhammer emperor is the emperor. But here? Dumb as fuck king with not one loyal general and zero cousins, nephews etc that would be next in line for the throne? Where is the imperial dynasty?
The Traveller RPG universe has feudalism (up to an emperor), but there's a reason... FTL isn't very fast and they're no FTL radio. Messages take weeks or months to get any serious distance, so a system of sector and subsector dukes rule and report to the capital, with lower-ranking nobles ruling smaller areas. Pirates are attacking your worlds? The local baron had better be ready to fight them off with local forces, because help from the Imperial Navy is going to take weeks to arrive.
Another great use of the diegetic sound was the red wedding, the musicians start playing the rains of castamere, which is house Lannister theme. The music not only have a direct effect on the scene as it is a dead giveaway that S*** is about to hit the fan when Lady Stark notices it, as it serves as the soundtrack for the scene.
@@Liquiddna89blaa "People disagree with my opinions on a movie, and that makes them dumb sheep" Alternatively people are allowed to have their own opinions, and on this little corner of the internet you're in the (vast) minority. Cope.
Not just playing from memory as a group, but then adjusting your playing (again, as a group) to a scene you can't see, is even more silly. Unless they were in on it and that's exactly how the music was written - holy crap that's so ridiculous that I'd respect it for being so bold.
CD everytime I have an inkling to watch some new sci-fi series I check in here and realize most new stuff are unintentional comedies. Keep doing these reviews I relish them.
"Because super advanced pan-galactic civilizations with cultures that haven't progressed beyond the level of medieval feudalism are *totally* a believable thing" Dune: Am I a joke to you?
Why do people think it's funny to take repetitive catch phrases like "am I a joke to you?" and spend years looking for opportunities to repeat it again?
There's a scene while she is aboard, and you can see loads of workers shoveling shit into these boilers. Personally I assumed this was all in keeping with the idea of the motherplanet, like they're all wasteful of course their battleships are massive resource hogs.
You completely misunderstand the tech... this is the steam and hot water for their immense Cappuccino Machines! They are shoveling old coffee grounds into the furnaces because they are environmentally conscious.
Refuses to kill the guy actually responsible for the deaths of the king and queen, but perfectly happy to slaughter her way off the ship, with the majority of her kills being people that in no way were complicit. Yep, sounds about right.
Such a good point 😂
that is some new starwars trilogy type shit
He played Last of Us part 2 before making the film and was deeply inspired by the ending.
Which also reinforced the bad guys narrative that she was the one who did it. If I was there and saw her massacre her way through the ship killing my friends and then was told she killed the king I would 100% believe it and so would anyone else they told.
The entertainment industry is so narcissistic that no one in it has ANY clue what a hero is. They can't muster the level of selflessness required, so they can't write heroes.
1. Kills innocent child she was assigned to protect.
2. Spares villain due to emotions.
3. Kills random Empire employees on her way out.
Ah ha. She had the villain arc all along!
truly a modern hero.
@@Dipj01 Modern Heroine.
@@MegaCityPatrolpretty sure it was written by a mentally ill, narcissistic troon.
When the hero of your story is a sadistic psychopath. And kinda thick too.
I absolutely love when a main character kills like 150 henchmen, sees the main big bad and randomly develops a moral compass and decides not to kill him, then proceeds to kill another 100 henchmen.
You see, henchmen aren't _really_ people, so they don't count.
They probably don't even have names.
I too am a The Last of Us 2 enjoyer. :^)
oh and the unarmed space submarine engineers as well - to make her look tough
This kindve hole-riddled writing is excusable for video games because of the gameplay mechanic argument and cut scenes being viewed through a different lens, but with Film/TV they have no excuse to drop coherent written characterization.
Snyder has been doing this ever since the dceu.
The insult to history is naming the traitor Belisarius, a man that could have seized power anytime and didn't.
It’s about killing the symbol of Belisarius, he brought back Rome - Disney hates the thought of Belisarius’ imo
@@andybancroft5391 What in the world does Disney have to do with "Rebel Moon"? This is a Netflix movie.
So true !
@@andybancroft5391 this isn’t Disney.
Belisarius is pretty much synonym of loyalty
On another note, I like to think the reason why the grain is so important to the empire is because Zack read/watched Dune before making Rebel Moon and thought "Hey, that Spice stuff is pretty cool. Let's put it in my movie as well, but a bit different." He who controls the grain, controls the universe. This is probably not the case, but we're talking about Zack Snyder, so everything is possible.
I could easily believe this
Grain Brain Drain
The grain extendes life
The grain expanse consciousness
The grain is bright for bakery
And I bet you when Rebel Moon 3 comes out there will be a scene where the evil bad guy will come out and say "I got worms! Big ones"
I think he just watched Interstellar and saw corn and cornfields so he pulled a ctrl+c ctrl+v.
The dumbest scene was watching farmers in the far future collecting their harvest by hand in slow motion and chucking it unto a levitating cart. Instead of using a single combine harvester.
Unfortunately the future EPA cracked down on combine emissions.
@@dr.emilschaffhausen4683 ha-ha!
@@dr.emilschaffhausen4683 But COAL burning SPACE ships are fine because SPACE?
What about the SPACE Environment????? Where is the SPACE EPA???
and the galactic spanning empire that’s somehow dependent on such backwards worlds
The farmers harvesting is a perfect example of unrealistic fantasy... two completely different timelines merged into one with zero logic.
The equivalent of flying cars needing to use a manual crank for providing air conditioning.
Friend described the 1st Rebel Moon very eloquently: “Imagine if Star Wars, Dune, and the Chronicles of Riddic had a child… with special needs.”
Hahaha 😂 That's pure gold
Damnnnn 😂😂😂😂
Perfect.
Don't forget Harry Potter and literally gladiator
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Director's cut has to wait until ChatGPT-5 comes out.
Interesting, will there be fans waiting for Snyder Cut this time?
@@E-LazarusI don't think so. I've always been a Snyder fan but this one was not good at all. He definitely dropped the ball on this movie.
@@billzjr222 That was a joke. Ofc nobody will. And unlike you, I've initially seen that Snyder is over-praised mediocrity living on hype. By the way, the same as Shyamalan and Nolan, only worse. But people in general are not very smart, so charlatans like this manage to fool them for 10 years until they create something so mediocre that everyone’s eyes open.
@Elizarus330 Nolan is GREAT 👍 have you seen *Oppenheimer* or any of *The Dark Knight* movies?🤔
@@quinetastic I haven't seen Oppenheimer, I've seen everything else. The same overpraised mediocrity as Shyamalan and Snyder. Don't even give me Batman as an example, people only remember the 2nd film from the entire trilogy, and they only remember Ledger from that film. After the armored car somehow drove onto a skyscraper, and Batman fell from the building on his back and remained unharmed, you can stop giving those to me as an example. And no one can even retell what parts 1 and 3 were about.
Kills an innocent child. Can't pull the trigger 10 seconds later on the bad man who just betrayed her. Ok, sure.
Well this could work - with better characters (and someone else than Hack Snyder):
The movies establish that Kora was raised by Bad Guy - after he lead the troops that killed her parents. So if there were scenes indicating that Belisarius did not only raise her as his personal killing-machine, but also looked like he really cared for her, then this would be believable.
The obvious comparison would be Gamora and Thanos: Gamora hated what he did (and what he made her do), so she killed the illusion-Thanos in Infinity War when she saw her chance. But she was obviously distressed afterwards. Because he wasn't just a monster. He really loved her (in his twisted way).
I don't know ... since Snyder has stitched this movie together from so many better things it's possible that he really used Gamora as "inspiration" - but like with everything else forgot to have it make sense in his universe.
Did Neil Druckmann write this? 🧐
@@lordmontymord8701eh doesn’t matter where he got the inspiration and even gamora tried to kill thanos so that comparison you’re trying to do is pretty invalid just say what it is a dumb character written by a dumb creator 😊
Perfectly fits my understanding of women throughout my life, what's your point? /sk but completely true as well.
@@JadeRunnerdude, Neil is not THIS bad
A villain being so far up his own ass that he literally has his own traveling orchestra to hype him up us actually such a cool concept. But unfortunately it's terribly executed here.
They did it FAR better with the flame thrower guitarist and drummers who accompany the bad guy in Fury Road.
Mad Max.
The orchestra's rehearsals were the most intricate part of his plan.
Twelve hundred pages of music were written and rehearsed based on every possible outcome.
@@derkeheath5172 The doof warrior in Fury road served a purpose, his guitar playing communicates to all the other drivers what orders to follow.
that put the image of Darth Vader descending down from his imperial shuttle ramp with a homeboy several steps behind him holding a boom box over his head blasting "the imperial march" music.
Zach Snyder cured me of my depression by giving me PTSD with this film
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Modern problems require modern solutions. 🤪
not sure why anyone would even watch Rebel Moon... unless chained to a wall with their eyelids torn off.
I would rather pull weeds in the backyard as compared to watching Rebel Moon.
You wanted to end it all, now you want it all to end.
@@ballixman6587😂😂😂😂😂😂
Of all the dumb af things in this scene, a character called Belisarius being a traitor hurt me the most. The real Belisarius was unfailingly loyal, despite being suspected of being a traitor during his many opportunities to do so.
What about Atticus Noble and Cassius lol
So she murders an innocent child, decides not to kill the treacherous villain who betrayed her for… reasons. Then decides to slaughter countless ship crew members who did her no wrong whatsoever. Is this the protagonist we are supposed to root for and hope that nothing awful happens to her?
Of course, because representation!
Don't ask questions, just consume and get excited for next thing ;)
She's padding her resume to become a cop.
Honestly, lost all interest in this gal when she murders a child.
She may as well have been the villain
Drinker, I've long believed the "dumbest scene" was the "world class scientists" removing their helmets to fondle an alien live form in Prometheus - but this new scene gives it a run for its money.
Sometimes you just gotta squish the squishy
The geologist who just mapped the cave system with 3 drones gets immediately lost.
I'll give you that that scene is dumber , but I think "Covenant" has a funnier scene when that dumb bytch slips and falls twice in the same blood puddle! 😆😆😂😂😂
My 1st watch of Prometheus, I loved it! 2nd time, I was like “Wait a minute… why did he? Why did she? Why did they?” The 3rd time, I loved it even more for how fucking stupid the actual plot was and just relished in all the stupid death cuz of stupidity…haha
@BeatsAndMeats 3 times? Jesus. I saw it once in theaters, then had nothing to say to my family the entire ride home. I wanted to forget that movie as fast as possible
Great costume design though
So when she blew up the engine and apologized, she was apologizing to the engine because it’s sentient and she had to kill it. You know it would’ve made that moment a little bit more impactful if at any point in time, we were told that the engines were sentient beings.
If they're sentient, then are they also technically chain smokers...lol!?
It also would have worked better if she hadn't killed innocent people along the way.
The engine being sentient was removed and can only be found in the Snyder cut now.
Sentient coal eating goddesses? Or do the goddesses power the engine and the coal plant just power the every day functions? I got to get off this thread for a while for a half a second it started to make sense
Hmm…you’re totally right. But did you catch that “Kali” is like the Hindi goddess???? dId Ya?! 😂 So lemme get this straight, this girl murdered the magic princess, carelessly kills most people on the ship in order to escape the coup d’état, but then feels bad about killing…the brave little toaster who is running the engine of the ship? Is this character development or stupidity?
"Style over Substance" will always be the best way to explain Snyder films
This scene is perfect Drinker. You just have to watch the director's cut to fully get it
rELeAsE tHe SnYdERCuT
It's 20 minutes long and mostly slow motion.
@@hariman7727 all slow motion pls
I wonder if Drinker will do a scene analysis for his movie, Rogue Elements? Lol movie looks just as bad.
Needed to be black and white
The scene where sword Bae is fighting 5 men alone and there are like 20 villagers hiding behind tables with guns not even trying to help while she gets hacked apart was another crowning achievement in "Why?"
There is so many dumb nonsensical scenes that it looks like not just a matter of laziness but a genuine problem with Zack's brain.
They hyped her up for two films only for her to go out like a complete chump to some rando with a beard. Doesn't help that a capable soilder was hiding in the back with the others without doing anything to support her.
I hated that scene with all my being. also she has robot arms with decades of battle tactiics and TWO BURNING BLADES and failed to kill dudes in a 1v1 fight that were using only 1 so fucking stupid.
bEcAUse StRonG fEMailE chAracTeR DoEseNT neEd HeLP
Why was she soo shit at fighting. She can't defeat one guy or alien without help. In the first movie she was like revenge is bad, but her whole backstory and action in the movies is taking revenge. Make it make sense
Also the robot arms taught her to fight by using her blood, after she cut of her arms??
I'll give Snyder some credit for creating movies that will have the audience arguing over which is the worst scene.
That's almost an accomplishment in itself.
It’s the only reason I still watch his movies, they actually make for a great conversation topic if your friends are movie buffs cause you can talk endlessly about which superior movies Snyder tried to rip off.
You make Zac Snyder sound like a more prolific version of Tommy Oiseau (the director of The Room, for the benefit of anyone wondering). And if my spelling of either name is wrong, it's because I don't care enough to get it right.
Sucker punch…. The whole thing: worst ever.
@@kevstacey8639 Tommy Wiseau was hilariously bad, turning a boring cliché romantic drama into a dark comedy. Snyder's movies are just bland and boring, with stupid unnecessary amounts of slow-mo.
snyder only made 4 or 5 good movies 2 of them are opinionized for being good or bad
Dawn of the Dead (wasn't even made by him really)
300
watchmen
sucker punch (opinionized)
man of steel (opinionized)
This is basically "can I copy your homework?" "sure but make it less obvious" with Dune
More like a Grimdark, Edgy remake of _Battle Beyond The Stars_ really.
The dumbest scene in movie history is "Somehow Palpatine returned." and I will die on that hill.
I think the scene in 'Highlander 2' when it's revealed that the immortals are in fact alien criminals incarcerated on the prison planet 'Earth' must rate
Depending on how much of a Star Wars nerd you are (or were, now), such as myself, I tie it between that, and in The Last Jedi, the evil "Supremacy" and its entire support fleet, crewed and led by white men, getting hyperspace rammed and destroyed by a literal purple haired nonbinary space lesbian in a "maneuver" that there is no way she could have known it would work how it did.
However cool that scene LOOKED, and in all fairness sure the actual impact LOOKED and sounded cool, it still completely annihilated and invalidated 99% of the Star Wars space battle lore, especially considering despite them literally saying in the start of RoS that "That was a one in a million fluke" or whatever AS AN EXCUSE FOR why they don't just use it to solve every single problem in the movie, like just taking a few small ships and ramming Palpatine's whole fleet at Exogol, (they are literally all just sitting there in rows asking for it LOL) we see at the end of Rise of Skywalker that it is in fact just a normal thing now; any larger capitol ship/dreadnought and probably even death star sized space station can be easily annihilated by anything larger than a fighter just going lightspeed at it. There is zero reason why people wouldn't start just manufacturing Clone Wars-esque drone ships that are little more than maneuverable hyper drives, whose sole purpose is to ram larger enemy vessels, since it apparently even goes through their shields.
Anyways, "Somehow Palpatine returned" is probably still worse... Oscar deserved better LOL.
@@thehoerscorral8565 Don't forget, in that "movie" Oscar also had to deliver the line "Nav can't tell which way's up out there." He should probably sue.
@@packman7631 LOL he definitely needs to at least fire his agent. Between this and Moon Knight they are clearly huffing some of that GOOD good from Disney.
Dumbest Line in A Franchise, at least!
I'm surprised Disney refused this script. It's so bad it would fit in perfectly.
The director was the wrong shade and had the wrong private bits to fit the checklist.
It is said that Disney likes to have final creative control over its projects and so does Snyder over his and that was allegedly the reason why Disney ultimately refused Snyder working for Star Wars.
Rebell moon is way too edgy, Disney usually tries to keep a family friendly image, especially because the script was intented as a star wars movie
A straight white male who doesn't identify as anything else ? that's all Disney look at when it comes to hiring.
With over 20 minutes of slowmo scenes, you know it would’ve been a huge money maker at the theaters
"Well, we booked the musicians a few months back, before we decided it was going to be an assassination. The cancelation fee would have been *huge.*"
Galactic
"What do you fellows get an hour?"
"Oh, for playing we get ten dollars an hour.
"I see. What do you get for NOT playing?"
"TWELVE dollars an hour. Now for rehearsing we make a special rate. That's fifteen dollars an hour."
"That's for rehearsing?"
"That's'a for rehearsing."
"And what do you get for NOT rehearsing?
"You couldn't afford it. You see, if we don't rehearse, we don't play; and if we don't play, that runs into money."
well its what villains do. some of them do it for the spectical rather then practicality because thats what they do.
"so, we'll have to be sneaky, fast, and efficient with this assassination, take care of it as fast as possible to avoid suspicion"
"what if we brought an opera instead ? and have them play dramatic music when we kill him ?"
"why ?"
"idk it would really be funny i guess"
"If the studio interfered, it would've felt like a film made by a focus group"
Brother Zack, not only are YOU the focus group, you're the entire upper executive committee with a sprinkle of writing input from Chat-GPT.
Lmao..true..that man is crazy
😂😂
You got it: that 'writing team in the shadows'--DEPLOY
I swear even AI can make a better movie than this
That's the most brutal condemnation of a director I've ever heard
I was particularly fond of the scene where one of the rebels sees the main bad guy escaping on a ship, throws his perfectly working gun down and jumps aboard the ship to have a fist fight. Then after being beaten half to death, pulls out a knife.
Omg I can't stop laughing. It hurts
Ohno...
😂😂😂😂😂😂
I reckon the TH-cam comments on this movie are better than the actual movie
Thats like in every movie nowadays
You know, in my 40 years of watching movies with Cary Elwes in them, I always thought his death in Twister was the dumbest that ever happened to him. Thank you, Zack, for changing that.
Shut your mouth, keep your foot on the gas and do what I say. LOOK OUT(They're dead)😂
Except Twister doesn't suck.
@@hightreason7934 True
Glory and men in tights are my favorites
@@hightreason7934 I never said it did. Twister was my childhood. Elwes was an awesome antagonist.
After writing scenes, I often sleep on them for several days, running through the events from each person's perspective taking into account their personal history, ambitions, and skills. "Does anything not make sense?" That question haunts my dreams. Apparently, that's not the same for everyone 😂😂
Ah yes. Belisarius. Sharing his name with Byzantine general that famously DID NOT betray his emperor when tempting opportunity arose.
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XD
Subverting expectations is always good, don’t you know?
Not only that, but the emperor betrayed _him_ out of insecurity, causing Byzantium/Rome’s hero to die poor. He was horribly wronged by this betrayal, and then Zack goes and gives his name to the traitor in his story. That’s just really gross to me.
But he IS sharing his name with an infamous Magos biologis that somehow managed to mass produce a supposedly better version of spacemarines (which would of course mean he improved on the work of the EMPEROR) complete with all new and improved armor, weapons and even vehicles. A magos biologis with the most contrived backstory ever contrived in the deepest and darkest dungeons of GW and plot armor thicker than donald trump.
@@tranquilthoughts7233 Self-insert?
The titanic band played music because they were trapped and had no way out but the rebel moon band kept playing in the face of a firefight they could have run from. Truly inspiring dedication to their craft.
True legends
They can also HEAR everything in this room just fine. Like they can't hear their king and his family walking in, talking, then clearly getting betrayed?
Honestly bagging their heads does fucking nothing. Well it makes them look retarded, but that was a given.
One violinist running off would have been DELIGHTFUL!
XD
And adapting the piece to the ongoing action on the fly… now that takes mastership. Unless Belisarius knew exactly how things were going to go down and had this dramatic musical score composed beforehand. Seems risky though. Someone might overhear them rehearsing and warn the king.
I believe they were prisoners, but still.
As a violinist for over thirty years, I can tell you that none of those actors in the orchestra had any idea how to play a stringed instrament.
As a violinist you should know that it's a quartet - not exactly an orchestra.
Yup, let alone blindfolded! Besides they aren't going to pay for a genuine quartet.....
Hence the bags over their heads. Even the actors thought it so stupid that they didn’t want to be recognised in the film for fear of ridicule.
@@RonCondon If there's no sheet music or conductor, you don't need to see to play your instrument.
@@Dori-Ma Considering that they have to change their music depending on what's going on around them, they do have to see. But apparently that doesn't matter, lol.
“What should we call our new really large ship”
“Dreadnaught”
“Ohh original, yes let’s call it that”
Know what makes this even worse? They didn't bother to get actual musicians to play the parts and the music doesn't match the movements of the bows and fingers. Then again, it is four people producing the sound of a string orchestra.
dont think anyone really thinks about that
Yeah, that's what got me most
@@vsluj3508I think ZS relied on not thinking when he made this movie.
Three of them look like they at least know how to hold their bows correctly while the other one is holding it like a screwdriver. I wouldn't be surprised if that was Snyder under that hood thinking it was a clever way to get himself on screen with no one realizing he had.
@@vsluj3508 Anyone who watches Two Set Violin would have thought about that.
The thing that really makes no sense is why Belaserious? does the whole "SHE'S THE ASSASSIN. SIEZE HER. SHE'S THE KILLER." bit when I assume everyone in the room was in on his scheme. I mean, they were all there. They all participated in the assassination. Who is he trying to convince? It's not like they all just walked in the room and found the king and his family dead on the floor, wondering "Who would do such a thing?"
Don't worry the extended directors cuts will explain everything......right?
he missed one major thing in this video, head bags on those musicians have one eye symbolism on them which explains who actually directed this movie
Brainwashing or making them buy into their own propaganda. It's much easier to do the wrong thing when you're convinced you're the good guy. You see it all the the time in tyrannical regimes in movies and such. Invent an enemy and pretend that everyone that is not with you are really the problem.
@@outlawedTV88A... I?
*seize :)
Another GOOD example of the diegetic sound is in the Star Trek TNG episode "The Inner Light." Picard experiences an entire lifetime on a dying world, where he learns to play a flute. At the end of the episode he's alone in his quarters with the only thing left from that world, that flute, and he starts to play that sad melody he learned, then you see the ship fly away from the exterior while that song keeps playing. Hits you right in the feels.
It's one of my favorite TNG episodes. Perfect example.
I get chills thinking about it and I haven't seen it in years.
Rains of Castermere?
@@solarmaru49 That's a good one too, that's actually probably Zack Snyder was imitating.
And then you realize that Picard's arms are not his own. Watch it again closely.
The whole thing with the orchestra seems like it is lifted from the red wedding, where again, an orchestra makes sense.
Also hilarious how Zach clearly wanted a quartet, but they could only find 3 people who knew how to play a stringed instrument . Second guy from the right is just holding his bow ham fistedly and sawing back and forth across the strings 😂😂😂
Hilarious ahaha u cannot make this shit up.
Sawing 😂😂😂 Good one!
@@arundarcybot
@@internetexplorer3596 Yup...
That's because it's the rarest of instruments -- the ham string.
I absolutely despise it when a character has a every single chance to kill the villain but doesn't for no good reason.
Right there with ya. I almost always just shot the movie off at that point.🤦
It's a pet peeve of mine, honestly.
Yeah, especially when they don't mind killing "random" other people.
It's always "I would be just as bad as you" while standing on a mountain of dead henchmen.
Agreed about the protagonist not offing the antagonist at the earliest opportunity. A tertiarily-related moment is the fate of Richard Chance in "To Live and Die in L.A." A very unexpected thing happens, and it's perfect.
When the orchestra started playing the dramatic music, I started laughing my ass off to the point of insanity. Snyder has truly achieved making a movie so bad that its impossible not to rip apart
It was some brilliant unintentional comedy, like a gag from The Naked Gun films.
damn, you make me kinda want to watch this dumpster fire.
@@MrNegativecreep07if only they'd had a sequence where they keep adding stuff to their knives until they had guns.
I'm still confused as to why Jimmy Carr's grown a beard and decided to play the bad guy in a mediocre Netflix Star Wars ripoff.
Someone should make a clip of the assassination scene, but recut it with different music. Like maybe "The Gonk", "Yakety Sax", or "Tuba Smarties".
My favorite diegesis bar none is in The Truman Show, where sorting out what's diegetic and what isn't - when you're watching the movie, the show, behind the scenes, or your own participation- is a roller coaster romp. The soundtrack plays those ambiguities masterfully.
I swear to god if I get a notification from netflix saying Rebel Moon part 3 is coming soon I will officially give up on cinema.
🤣
@@hariman7727 Yup already there, myself.
Have you guys heard of this thing called "outside" ? There's one really big shiny thing but otherwise it's pretty cool
Netflix is TV not cinema this is a TV movie.
I wouldn't put it beyond them
There's shitloads of REALLY good anime coming out right now, much of it immediately dubbed into English and many other languages. All different genres. I'd suggest looking there, see if anything strikes your fancy. :)
5th element has a killer diegetic moment w the blue diva towards the end
Absolutely. That movie rocked even while trying not to
YES, a great example.
The red wedding was the example that jumped into my head.
And I'll have to admit, I hated that scene with the Diva's song and dance. The only thing that saves the moment is LeeLoo's fight.
Wasn't there some radio sound in No Country For Old Men and nothing else resembling music?
Drinker: "Why is an advanced starship run on coal??"
Snyder: "Good question. You can ask me that after you've watched the Director's Super Cut."
You need steam to mix with certain other elements to created the fuel for the light-drive. (That was the best I could come up with on short notice.) Signed-Richard
@@RobertGuidry-f3f Ah yes, Steam, chemical symbol St on the periodic table. Also known as 'hot air' or the crap coming out of Zack Snyder.
They have the technology to make an advance Starship but couldn't even bother with nuclear energy
What kind of universe is that?
@@theunknowman12 a Snyderverse
@@theunknowman12 It is more advanced then that, but they need the Coal and it has to be a certian temp, that only Coal can get to perfectly. Signed-Richard. Blame the Scientist that invented it.
Every time the Drinker says blah blah blah “the orchestra with the bags on their heads”, I couldn’t help but laugh out loud.
Star Wars fans: "Nothing will ever be worse than 'Somehow, Palpatine returned!'"
Zack Snyder: "SLLLLOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWLLLLLY hold my beer!"
To be honest, the expectations for Star Wars are not even comparable to whatever Zack shits out of his dumb brain nowadays.
Haha ! Also, even Rey's combats in EP 8 probably where more inspiring and less violating our suspension of disbelief than what we are seeing here.
Star wars are worse
The thing that this doesn't have is it cannot retroactively destroy people's childhoods. Star wars was a betrayal of decades of customers emotional investment.
Zack has made a sh*t sandwich of his own, but Disney pooped on what was a perfectly good hamburger.
Snyder managed to make the first AI generated film and he didn’t even need to use AI. Incredible.
AI would probably make lasers come out of guns in a straight line.
The funny thing is, AI would have come up with a better movie lmao
He got the Artificial right. But I fail to see any Intelligence.
He did use AI.
Authentic Idiocy.
It's a reverse Turing Test. A movie so bad that it convinces the audience that it was made by AI
I personally like how she points her gun at a guard and the badly done laser bolt comes out at a completely wrong angle - chef's kiss.
Like, how did that make it through quality control?
@@Rearmostbean They didn't have the money left over for QC.
I was just about to comment the same! It's things like that that really show how much they cared about the viewer - this is such a bad movie on so many levels.
@@paulmurgatroyd6372 nobody who watches this kinda cartoon garbage cares about quality.
The whole weat harvesting felt like a fever dream. The completely random farming tools make no sense.
I was on a Zoom call with colleagues where I was telling them that Rebel Moon 2 was "an insult to the entire art of filmmaking and indeed the art of story telling itself, dating all the way back to Homer and beyond." Someone came onto the call having just heard that part of the sentence and said, "Oh, are we talking about Rebel Moon?"
I'll take "things that never happened" for $400, Alex.
Never happened
You two must get invited to all of the parties due to how fun you both are.
@@octogigasok, here’s one: you getting laid.
$400 please
People still use Zoom?
A highly decorated veteran who points her gun trembling like a toddler playing with a nerf blaster.
That single cringe moment sums up everything...
That was the main thing I noticed too. You don't even have to know guns well to handle a firearm - pretend or not - better than that.
Ugh I noticed that too. So bad, so.. amateur
The prop was even to heavy for the wohman warrior.
You missed the best part, the princess saying ”I forgive you”. You know because when someone destroys everything that you hold dear that’s the first thing that comes to mind.
She's the female Jesus.
"Oh no! Oh crap! This is a powerful dialogue that speaks into the soul of humanity! Preposterous...".
Expectation, Writter - 2024
If you are a good and strong person then yes, that may be the first and last that comes to mind.
@@NewStarConstellation find me a single human being on the planet, Gandhi included, that would ever respond like this… that could not be a more unnatural and then inhuman response…. ESPECIALLY when it’s coming from a pretentious noble 🤣🤣. This might hurt your feelers, but humanity is not a naturally peaceful species, it is inherently violent like every other animal species that grew up fighting to survive……………….
@@NewStarConstellation LMAO oh please gtf out of here with that crap XD
You gotta do "Nightingale". The main character kills everyone who wronged her (against their will), but when she has the chance to kill the main guy responsible...she sings at him
2:10 Wait, the traitor is named Belisarius?
Forget the quality of these movies. The fact a villain is named for one of history’s most capable and noble generals - who was constantly undermined by his own emperor and hi subordinates - is egregious.
Maybe Snyder secretly hates Don Bellisario and/or his naval-themed television products.
You realise now that Snyder is that edgy and petty?
Honestly that just convinced me that Rebel Moon was more of a 40k ripoff than anything.
You know he just got a list of names of prominent Romans, threw a dart, and went "Yeah, that one" and moved on.
@@shen5533well he didn’t USE to be
Other examples of Diegetic sound in films include Baby Driver when he puts his headphones on before the car chases, Marty McFly playing Johnny B. Goode in Back to the Future, when the characters accidentally hit the jukebox in Shaun of the Dead and it plays Don’t Stop Me Now by Queen, Peter Quill and his Walkman in Guardians of the Galaxy. Idk, but I find a discussion about diegetic sounds way more interesting than Rebel Moon Part 2.
Just stop you're goofy sound critique elitist mentality. Basically any song a an actor place or listens to during the movie can count. You don't even need to know the concept for a director to have I cluded it in the movie
People like to forget about it because of the ending, but Game of Throne's Red Wedding. You know, while it was still a really good show.
@@Lunarcheese72 Pretty sure this was another inspiration for this scene. But Hack doesn't understand why the Red Wedding worked, just like he doesn't understand all the other things he threw into these movies.
Not a film but Stranger Things nailed it with Master of Puppets, seemed like they based the whole thing on the lyrics by how well it fit.
One of my faves is Lucy Liu's entrance to the nightclub with her minions in the first "Kill Bill"--that incredible "Battle Without Honor or Humanity" by Tomoyasu Hotei makes simply walking awesome. Then at the end it brutally drops back to the girl band onstage. nondiagetic to diagetic sound in one scene.
Not sure where I'd put that opening scene in "Baby Driver"--we see him put on the phones, but then the music continues through the chase. So it's established as diagetic, but continues as nondiagetic in the scene.
"You SERIOUS?!"
"BELA-serious."
I’m not just sure. I’m hiv-positive.
@@samaritan_sys Hive positive, which insect?
Nice one.
Every few months I come back to watch this video, and then I don’t feel guilty about not having watched a new movie in five years
This scene genuinely looks like a parody, something out of a Space Balls or The Naked Gunn.
The dumb and confused royals and guards, the orchestra playing a faster a more ominous tune while the assassination takes place, the presents dramatically accusing the main character even though there is no other witness in the boiler room besides people already part of the conspiracy, the villain being spared without any logical reason...
reminded me of the throne room battle in whichever disney star wars sequel movie it was. Hilariously bad choreography.
She didn't dare to shoot the villain because the villain is her stepped dad. She took part in the assassination because she wanted revenge against the kings who killed her family and destroyed her planet, got taken away with some other kids left and trained to become heartless imperial soldier.
The overacting of the actor with the black beard brought me to tears..."MURDER!" 😄
I've said it before but Snyder's biggest problem other than writing his own dialogue and being given too much creative control, is that he always goes with what looks cool, but his idea of cool hasn't been relevant for almost 2 decades at this point.
Snyder's biggest problem is he's really bad at his job.
@@3rdPartyIntervener ... he needs to find another job, preferably away from entertainment .... stacking shelves or something
Agreed, also the fact that he thinks that a gender neutral, Tomboy girl is cool to have as a lead character, makes it obvious that he lives in the Hollywood woke bubble, which makes the movie even more unbearable.
I love how Cora’s second or third round after freeing herself fired 30 degrees downward from the direction her hand gun is actually pointed. Slow motion really helped to hide it too.
Is it just me or are the Drinker's "Go away nows" getting progressively angrier 🤣
The best part is not only did she just WATCH the King and Queen get assassinated slowly, she didn't even shoot the main villain who did this right after. And SHE EVEN goes on to massacre hundreds of regular employees on the ship and people standing by who had no idea wtf happened while they just did their job.
*Nah she's 100% gonna get hunted down and brought to their court*
The main villain that you referring to is her stepped dad who adopted her. She took part in the assassination because she wanted to revenge against the king who slayed her family, destroy her planet, they took her and some other kids that's left and trained them to become a heartless imperial guards. The villain and other councils wanted to end the royalty bloodlines regime and changed into democracy. She felt betrayed when he put her as a scapegoat but he knew she was unstoppable and able to free and fight her way out of this affair.
She is killing machine.
@@naz6james570you know, this is kinda much more interesting than the shit we were shown.
@@naz6james570 So peak!
@@naz6james570 Honestly this is really interesting! CMON ZACK!
She clearly stated that she'd been groomed by belisarius and that he knew she could never kill him. She expected him to protect her. Not to turn on her. Next time, put on subtitles so that you can understand and not embarrass yourself.
Zach Snyder has slowly descended into being Uwe Boll with a big budget.
Spot on.
Daaaaaaaamn
Ascended to Uwe Boll*
Bolls to the wall
Slowly? Descended?
A super technologically advanced empire going through so much effort over grain is like saying the empire from Star Wars exists only to collect toilet paper. 🤦♂️
Yeah lmao and the fact they have to almost beg for it from a bunch of farmers who refuse to use modern technology but ... actually they don't. They live this rural old lifestyle but then use hover-carts to throw their crops in rather than something with maybe less independence on technologically advanced spare parts. It's sort as inconsequential like the rest of the movie.
That's pretty much what I said. They have interstellar travel, but no capacity to grow food on this enormous ship? I mean, we can make meat in a lab now. Then I saw that the ships were powered by coal and I said oh never mind logic isn't important apparently carry on.
The fact that they were chronically short of toilet paper would explain why the Emperor and Darth Vader were always in such bad moods. I'd be willing to blow up a planet or two if I constantly had to send legions of stormtroopers to secure a roll of toilet paper for me.
Spaceballs The Toilet Paper.
@@Unknown-ek1ox See also: Snyder also discovered WH40k right before this movie was made and added the serfdom aspects of some worlds (look at knight worlds), as well as the technological mismatch on some of the worlds (look at the kit of various Imperial Guard units and PDFs).
These movies are to 40k what Lordi is to GWAR.
Snyder always like "Actually you have to watch the 10 hour director's cut to make sense of everything."
Pippin's song while Faramir's warriors are getting wiped out is the best use of diegetic music ever.
(SPOILER) My favorite so far has been in the two recent God of War games, where the themes of the characters whose deaths have been most devastating, Fae and Brok, are uniquely diegetic.
Hands down! I get teary eyed just from the thought of it
5:18 Tragically, this couple are apparently also depictions of real life events. These are Isa and Isidor Strauss, who were incredibly wealthy husband and wife couple who owned the Macy's toy store in Chicago along with Isidor's brother. The two had been married for over forty years, and when the Titanic was sinking, despite Isidor urging her to board a boat to safety, Ida insisted on remaining by her husband's side in their final moments.
In an ironic quirk of fate, their great-great granddaughter would lose her husband, Richard Rush, in the OceanGate submersible.
... I'd literally rather talk about anything other than Rebel Moon.
That's a coincidence, cool
My grandparents met and got married after only three days and remained married till granddad died. He died in hospital and my grandmother refused to get out, saying that this would be the first thing she ever did without my granddad in 40 years, and if she did, then he will truly be dead (aka he would have to accept he died). She died within a year out of broken heart.
@@J.J.Jameson_of_Daily_Bugle When say stuff like" She died of broken heart." I don't think that a broken heart is a thing. My grandfather blew his brains out with a saturdaynightspecial as the VA would not cover his cancer treatments.
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@@RighteousInquisitionbroken heart is an actual syndrome, it’s cardiomyopathy brought on by stress
@@RighteousInquisition It is a thing, actually! Look up takutsubo! It's wild but you can have dilated heart failure due to neurotransmitter changes.
So a guy named after a 6th century Byzantine general (Belisarius) who served his emperor loyally, kills his king in a fashion of a well known but completely different Roman historical model six centuries earlier, while an orchestra plays a diegetic score in a mirror of "The Rains of Castamere" playing at the Red Wedding in Game of Thrones?
Even without all the other serious flaws in the scene...that's ridiculous. That's the sort of unoriginality that, before streaming, you'd see on direct-to-DVD releases that no one ever watched.
Belisarius was extremely loyal to Justinian, both as a general and as a friend. The disrespect is real.
Either Snyder just picked a random name for a general, which is just lazy, or he picked that name specifically, which is edgy as fk.
I couldn't believe Drinker didn't pick up on the obvious Red Wedding rip-off. He gave this guy way too much credit with the whole Titanic explanation, it was even simpler and dumber than that.
ooooh i learnededed a new word today: diagetic. neat, thank you
It's probably a performance on it's own xd
"Because, you know, classical music is for smart people, right? And he wanted his movie to be smart. Hence the orchestra with the bags on their heads." LMFAO! 😂😂😂😂😂
YESSSSS LONG DRINKLER
@MauLerYT
MauLer, TH-cam streamer Destiny recently said on his Bridges Podcast that Critical Drinker is the lowest common denominator when it comes to film critique and is worthless.
He said that Critical Drinker just uses the movies he reviews as a vehicle to talk about what he politically feels (“Barbie makes jokes about men? BS! Captain Marvel doesn’t need a man? BS!”) and that he thinks he’s worthless. That Critical Drinker is without value and cheapens critical evaluations of a particular medium, wether it’s film or anime or something else, and it’s just him and others circle jerking media that go with their political narratives (Woke/Disney/Marvel/Hollywood making men dumber/girl bosses/diversity, etc) or whatever other stuff they’re consuming.
Are you going to confront Destiny on what he said? This video that Destiny said this on has over 100k views on his channel.
Edited for spellchecks.
Hi Mauler I watched some you're videos my favorite is the last Jedi one 😂😂
@@B1G_WENGH dude, type correctly next time
Libel lawsuit when, Mauler? 🤣
😂😂😂
Bellisarius, one of the greatest and most loyal generals in the history of Rome. By far the greatest eastern Roman general. Great use of history Zach 😂
Don't be hard on him, for Snyder "Bellisarius" is just a name.
Bellisarius was a genuinely good and great man. His memory deserves better than to be dragged into this sort of shit.
@@notshapedforsportivetricks2912seriously. He was so badass man he and Stilicho and Aurelian are among my favorites of post pagan/end of the united Roman Empire.
Almost as embarrassing as forgetting that the Dune series also uses a "bullshit" feudal monarchy for its sci-fi setting.
@@mattandrews2594 yeah but dune has the houses and a complex power sharing system, the details of which are all laid out and consistent.. not to mention its an emperor not a king and not s 1 to 1 replica of the feudal system in space.. in that setting it actually makes sense
- Overpowered grrrl boss with the standard-issue butch haircut mowing down men and/or throwing them around like ragdolls? Check.
- Interminable slow-motion action sequences that accomplish nothing except make the whole scene drag? Check.
- Lots of pew-pew and explosions to paper over ridiculous plot holes that the filmmakers hope you won't notice? Check.
- An overly stylized fight scene that boils down to one long, tedious, obsessively choreographed dance rather than an actual brawl? Check.
- Excruciatingly bad dialog that sounds like a teenage girl's fan fiction? Check.
Yup, this is definitely a show written and filmed in the 2020s.
The thing that irked me, was these racists behind this movie calling the villain Belisarius who was the greatest General in post collapse Roman empire. (yes i know in the movie they spelt it Balisarius)
@@TheBelrick Dude, I'm right there with you. Reading a history of Justinian's reign right now and Belisarius was a damn impressive general who deserves his own movie.
@@Zapp__Brannigan Eric Flint wrote a 6 book series with Belisarius as the main character in a fictional war. He was a great man. So was Justinian in his own right through his code of laws.
There is no musical instrument I know of that you can't play while blindfolded.
In fact, needing to look at any instrument is a liability. To be really good at it, playing without looking should be one of your goals. I say this as a former guitar teacher.
Same for needing to read the music. Being able to sight read perfectly is a musical superpower, but most "classical" musicians memorize every song in order to perform it.
The Drinker saying “Go away now!!” at the end was the most aggressive/hostile tone I’ve heard from him!
This one really did a number on him.
Dad's mad... get his happy juice
I noticed that too, he was almost like "I can't believe I have to endure this crap"
First time?
He gets even more Scottish when he's mad!
He's had a couple of happy 'go away nows', but yeah, this one was something else
The musicians playing the music that WAS the soundtrack was it for me. This is Lesley Nielson/Naked Gun level where he's walking alone doing a voice monologue with a blues trumpet in the soundtrack and he turns the corner and sees a trumpet busker is actually playing the tune. LMAO.
Super analogy. Films like Kentucky Fried Movie, the Naked Gun, Airplane - all drew attention to the various tropes used in films. Wouldn't be a bad idea to analyse them to avoid rubbish film making.
Another thing, that I find absolutely hilarious was: how completely useless the (not)-Magnificent Seven are.
We spend the entire first movie, going from planet to planet, gathering these jabronies and are let to believe they have some special skills, which will come to play during the climactic battle, right?
WRONG!
For example: the space Tarzan dude. We spend a long sequence in part 1, where he tames that Hippogriff. So, you assume that he will gather some of these creatures and lead them into battle against the Imperium forces. Instead he just fights like a normal dude.
Or the Asian chick, with the (not)-lighsabers, you would think she will go full-on Rurouni Kenshin swordmaster style, instead she has 1 fight scene against 4 enemy soldiers, which she barely defeats and then dies from her injuries.
And best of all: Djimon Hounsou's general Titus, who is supposed to be the greatest general in the galaxy. You think: ''Oh man, he's gonna use some cool tactics and what not."
His strategy is: "Use the sacks of flour as cover, because the Empire needs the grain."
And Plan B: ''Do a frontal assault against an enemy with superior numbers & firepower."
Alexander the Great, Hannibal Barca, Sun Tzu, Napoleon Bonaparte & Marshal
Rommel have nothing on this ''strategic genius".
Omg, when u state it out loud, it looks like it was written by a 9 yr old 😂😂
Characters in a fictional movie/novel can only be as smart as the writer portraying them, so now we are aware of the level of intellect we are dealing with in Zach Snyder.
@@Musashi-if3tl This is the real failing of Snyder and much of the rest of recent Hollywood; its defenders claim that it's unfair to break stuff down piece by piece because that's just 'nitpicking' or whatever, but the truth is that virtually ALL of this recent slop completely falls apart if you actually stop to think. That's why jump cuts, shaky cam, over the top lens flare and explosions (and thanks to the MCU, quippy one liners and jokes every other line) are so abused. If the audience is just laughing and clapping like seals, they won't question that the scene just preceding was complete garbage.
...and yet somehow Snyder's attempts with Rebel Moon are even worse.
Agree completely. This movie has absolutely no payoff for any good set up. That includes Anthony Hopkin's character.
Maybe they’re saving all the awesomeness of the (Not) Magnificent Seven will come thru in parts 3-6… because oh yes, there’s grumbling that this is to be a 6 parter! 🤮
Did anyone notice the plot of this film parallels A Bug’s Life? Grasshoppers coming down to threaten the ants over grain production. An ant gathering a “dream team” to fight them.
I find it so funny that the best orchestra a literal king could assemble was 4 string players sat in a dingy corner with bags on their heads.
Not to mention, when commissioning the most advanced and lethal ship in your arsenal you do it in the engine room with a small group of politicians?? Whatever you do, don't have it on the flight deck with admirals, the ship's crew, a military orchestra and static displays of fighters, drop ships, etc.
It was beyond dumb, but by that point I was already numb and fast forwarding through most of the movie.
Seems too few musicians for an orchestra, also lacking a conductor; more a quartet.
Guess the villain was dealing with space inflation and the rising cost of coal or something. 😂
You mean 3 musicians and a guy who obviously lied to get the job because you can see he's playing that instrument with the same level of skill that Snyder used to make this movie.
Mel Brooks made a great diegetic sound joke in "Blazing Saddles." Cleavon Little is proudly riding through the desert on his way to become the new sheriff of Rock Ridge while we hear Count Basie's Orchestra playing his classic tune "April in Paris." It's just standard movie music until Cleavon trots past the Basie band on a bandstand in the desert, and exchanges warm greetings with the Count.
Yes, classic. But like everything with Mel Brooks, done with a heavy hand. Have you ever watched the deleted scenes from Young Frankenstein? Horrendous!
The Sheriff is near!
Brookes did something similar in 'High Anxiety' with an orchestra playing on a bus on the road as it passes his car.
My wife and I got absolutely hammered watching Part 2. Drink every time there is slow-mo during a scene... We didn't make it to the end, we passed out but made it somewhat enjoyable.
You're wife's a keeper, good catch.
Well I can imagine that drinking while watching this would be the only way to get some enjoyment out of it and passing out from being completely hammered sounds more amusing than falling asleep from boredom.
I hope your liver are okay because holy shit, that sound awful
@@kuturak that is very true, the entirety of the writing is garbage and the main characters are less interesting than the most generic side characters in better written films.
Zack Snyder: I want original Star Wars!
Star Wars: no
Zack Snyder: ...I have Star Wars at home.
That was one of the most *VENOMOUS* "Go away now" I ever heard him say 😮
He's been upping his G.A.N. game lately
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@@RocafellaPlaza Not Yet
A salute to the titanic orchestra for going down in the most classy and badass way possible.
a quote from a science fiction novel I read, can't remember the title: a LA surfer is surfing when an asteroid creates a massive tidal wave which hits the west coast. He surfs the wave right into a skyscraper 'when death is inevitable, all there is left is style... Style'
@@richardhockey8442Lucifer's Hammer by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
I’d like to hear The Drinker talk about the movie “Wish”
This "wish" movie you talk about never existed, I don't know what you talk about
@@miguelsuaza4413😂
@@miguelsuaza4413 Damn😂
When you order a movie from Wish.
What's there to talk about? It's a painfully mediocre film
To be honest though: Large Space Empires being ruled by Feudalism has been around since Dune, and has stayed as a beloved Sci Fy trope. Also, I would absolutely dig ships with the capablity of interstellar travel which engines are run by furnaces, as long as you present a semi-believable sci-fy mumbo jumbo reason. In fact, there lies the biggest fun of sci fy.
A little known fact: the RMS Titanic also used Kali's as a propulsion system... the boiler rooms were just for show.
Another stupid thing: why would the evil general frame Kora? She's his greatest asset. She's skilled, she's good at what she's doing, and she's loyal. I was like why the fuck.
Imagine that you are a henchman just standing there watching your boss betray your fellow henchman and thinking "nah, it'll be all right".
Indeed if he wanted to sacrifice someone from his crew he wouldn't sacrifice his best and most valuable soldier and instead give some dumb useless guy. The Gomer Pyle of the bunch in a manner of speaking.
You may need someone competent so the story is believable. But (I didn't watch the thing) why does he need a scapegoat at all? Isn't this a coup d'etat i.e. the bad guy is the new king with absolute power? Who does he need to placate with a scapegoat? His underlings are already on board to knife the king, who else needs convincing, the masses? Just bring the classic "the old regime was corrupt lazy and incompetent, i will do much better, these important guys all think so too".
Why throw away an asset that is okay to murder a king and child for you, hard to find someone that loyal and competent
@@EnCey2 Or even, "I'm in charge now, what are you going to do about it, considering I'm in command of the most powerful spaceship the galaxy has ever seen. Oh and all the other warships."
As proven in several countries known for their "benevolent" leaders, if you downtread the population enough they simply won't care as long as they can left alone to survive.
@@tedferkin Yeah that sounds a lot like modern US Empire, you're right
Another good example is the dude playing guitar on the monster truck in Fury Road. That totally rocks!
i love that guy! fun fact: he knocked up one of the pretty actresses while shooting the film.
That's Junkie XL, the movie's composer.
@@michaelotoole1807👏 👏 👏
When critical drink mentioned diegetic music and explained it, I remembered coming across that term and the use of it while studying history in film entertainment out of my passion for history and learning about history in general. Can’t remember exactly when I heard about it, but I know it was a couple years ago. I agree with Drinker on orchestra in the movie Titanic as a good example of used properly in a movie. It really did hit for me emotionally taking in that scene of it sinking, the shots of the different characters in the same grave situation despite their differences in walks of life, the sad but accepting of their fate in this infamous naval disaster. And this historically is true of the orchestra on board the Titanic from historical accounts which I approve of the decision and this in the film.
My girl saw this film on Netflix and said she loved the costumes and wanted to try it out. One of the first scenes she's talking about how she's so strong and bad ass and how she was taught that love was weakness and before I could even finish rolling my eyes she turns to me and goes "I seriously hate this girl... can we turn this off?"
Tell me you married a winner without telling me...
Lol I barely made it till 40 minutes of the movie with my girl, none of us liked it but for different reasons of a trash movie.😊
The fact watched it at all. Tell your a loser without telling me. Lol
@@papayaman78 you're*
Not on this movie but as we walked out of Dune 2 my wife said "god if only the movie didn't have that annoying girl that looks like a man"
Pretty self explanatory
@lourencomurteira9353 ?
What "girl that looks like a man"?
By far the biggest downturn for everyone I talked to about the film was Paul's sudden change in behaviour and how he treated her tbf
Honestly, an interstellar empire ruled by a monarchistic dynasty sounds like one of the least silly things about this movie.
Agreed in that you can tell such a story if you bother to actually tell a story. Few would question why the Warhammer emperor is the emperor. But here? Dumb as fuck king with not one loyal general and zero cousins, nephews etc that would be next in line for the throne? Where is the imperial dynasty?
@@EnCey2 Or the emperor in dune. This character seems like he was airdropped in bc the script required this plot point
Pretty common theme in most sci-fi lore really. There's always a militaristic hegemony or dictatorship.
Dune has a similar premise.
The Traveller RPG universe has feudalism (up to an emperor), but there's a reason... FTL isn't very fast and they're no FTL radio. Messages take weeks or months to get any serious distance, so a system of sector and subsector dukes rule and report to the capital, with lower-ranking nobles ruling smaller areas. Pirates are attacking your worlds? The local baron had better be ready to fight them off with local forces, because help from the Imperial Navy is going to take weeks to arrive.
Another great use of the diegetic sound was the red wedding, the musicians start playing the rains of castamere, which is house Lannister theme. The music not only have a direct effect on the scene as it is a dead giveaway that S*** is about to hit the fan when Lady Stark notices it, as it serves as the soundtrack for the scene.
In Rebel Moon the Orchestra would have played 'The Grains of Castamere'
@@tgun1099 Dude I spat out my drink, great one
the marching band in andor is another example
seems like a bad idea but ok
Thats clearly what Snyder was looking to rip off and still failed to understand such a straightforward simple scene
2:41 "Gotta make sure I cross my arms here so everyone will see my AWESOME tattoos! Wait for it, wait for it.......BAM!"
This is like a “Naked Gun” parody of Caesar’s death with all the jokes removed
Coincidentally, Frank Drebin once saved a guy in a public park from being stabbed to death by a few men dressed in togas.
@@sgtGiggsy Those were actors! Good ones!
Happily avoided both of these films thanks to the Drinker....You're savin' lives, man.
Honestly, the terrible reviews are so hilarious I actually kinda want to watch them now. Might actually be fun to make fun of it too.
I was not so fortunate, I was convinced to watch by a family member against my better judgement, waste of my precious time
Typical internet sheep. Do yourself a favour and make your own mind up.
You might actually enjoy it
@@fakecubedit’s actually a fun movie. Do what most of these commenters can’t do and make up your own opinion 😅
@@Liquiddna89blaa "People disagree with my opinions on a movie, and that makes them dumb sheep"
Alternatively people are allowed to have their own opinions, and on this little corner of the internet you're in the (vast) minority. Cope.
FYI, you can play string instruments with your eyes closed, but playing it perfectly from memory in a group is incredibly far fetched.
Not just playing from memory as a group, but then adjusting your playing (again, as a group) to a scene you can't see, is even more silly. Unless they were in on it and that's exactly how the music was written - holy crap that's so ridiculous that I'd respect it for being so bold.
CD everytime I have an inkling to watch some new sci-fi series I check in here and realize most new stuff are unintentional comedies. Keep doing these reviews I relish them.
"Because super advanced pan-galactic civilizations with cultures that haven't progressed beyond the level of medieval feudalism are *totally* a believable thing"
Dune: Am I a joke to you?
Battletech: Am I a joke to you?
Warhammer, talked about 11 days ago:
Why do people think it's funny to take repetitive catch phrases like "am I a joke to you?" and spend years looking for opportunities to repeat it again?
YES. THATS PRECISELY WHY DUNE IS A FUCKING JOKE.
@@WelloBello Warhammer isn't feudalism.
That was the angriest “go away now” in ages
You must have not watched his Dial Of Destiny review then.
I love how an intergalactic battleship has 1880s boilers on it, truly advanced technology
they brought the plans from the Zorgons to build it .
I laughed when this intergalactic dreadnought used a hand crank to line up the gun turret!
There's a scene while she is aboard, and you can see loads of workers shoveling shit into these boilers. Personally I assumed this was all in keeping with the idea of the motherplanet, like they're all wasteful of course their battleships are massive resource hogs.
It's probably taken from Warhammer where AI is banned and thousands of people are needed just to reload weapons but even the Imperium is not as lame.
You completely misunderstand the tech... this is the steam and hot water for their immense Cappuccino Machines! They are shoveling old coffee grounds into the furnaces because they are environmentally conscious.
Wow bro! 1.5m views with 2m subs in 3 weeks is unreal! Good job!
I thought I was subscribed but I wasn't, so I am now!