Sorcery & Magic Throughout Game of Thrones History
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 พ.ค. 2024
- In A Song of Ice and Fire, there are so many types of sorcery and magic that exist in Westeros, Essos, and beyond. Game of Thrones left out some of the most interesting magical lore from ASOIAF, such as Valyrian glass candles and Euron Greyjoy's shade-of-the-evening trips. In this video, I cover eight different categories of magic in ASOIAF / GoT, as well as some sorcerers who wield magic, like Daenerys Targaryen, Jon Snow, Bloodraven, and more.
Art in thumbnail:
Jon & Ghost by Sicarius8
Bloodraven & Shiera by Naomimakesart
Euron Greyjoy by GibiLynx
Melisandre by Arantza Sestayo
Jon's resurrection by Ertaç Altınöz
Euron (vision) by artsandoddities
Weirwood by Elsa Furia
Credit to @DavidLightbringer for use of his glass candle image
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
2:04 Elemental Control
4:26 Divination
13:14 Skinchanging
18:08 Raising the Dead
20:04 Necromancy
22:02 Glamor
24:46 Alchemy
28:55 Blood Magic
31:48 Potential Sorcerers
35:06 Last Words
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I'm not convinced that the birth of the dragons so much brought magic back to the world, it always struck me as more likely that the return of magic allowed the long dormant egg's to hatch, and that it's slow ebbing is why the older generation of dragons grew stunted.
Even in D&D lore, dragons ARE magic. So this kind of sounds like a reference to that concept.
But then what? Magic just happened to return right when the dragons returned? How did it return all of a sudden? Why? What was the catalyst for magic to have a resurgence in the world? It can't just be because it did, that just makes for a lame plot point for everything that happens afterward.
Something, or someone had to bring it back. It makes sense if it's tied into a character that is tied into a prophecy, rather than it just happening at a perfect time.
@@JaayCeezI think it has something to do with the others cause I think their sightings happened before the dragons hatching
@@JaayCeez My point was that the the dragons were successfully hatched because magic was growing stronger again, had this been a decade earlier then Danaris would just have burned to death and if the eggs hatched at all the baby dragons would have come out small sickly and deformed like the last of the dragons that her ancestors reared. Someone likely tried to hatch dragons every decade or so but history forgot them because nothing came of it.
@A-oti But the comet didn't, tho, and they never left, whereas the Dragons did, and magic seemed to had drastically depleted from the lands once they did.
I can see The Others being responsible for keeping the magic flowing through the North. But if anything, I see The Others as part of the same coin as The Dragons. Both natural forces of magic in the world, and both keep each other from overtaking the world. Much like the song, and much like fire and ice, the two centers of magic in the world tend to go back to dragons and the others' magic they use. Which we technically still don't know if it's their own magic or if it's a forgotten magic deep beneath the ice of the northern hemisphere.
Anyone else think the 3 eyed raven is trying to get Bran to him so he can body snatch him? If he warged into a normal human he would lose his worg powers but with brans body he would have a second life worth living
A note about the dragon dreams. It’s implied that they’re either exclusive to the Targaryens, or that the Targaryens have an unusual concentration of dreamers. Hence why they were the only dragon lords to escape Valyria before the doom
Or maybe other dragon lords also dreamed of the doom, but dismissed it out of arrogance
Kind of sounds like a valyrian dragonlord related parallel to wargs and green seers. The way there is only 1 green seer out of every 1000 wargs maybe there are only 1 dragon dreamer to every 1000 dragon riders. Maybe I am completely wrong though.
@taylortanner37 in HoTD it is said that dreamers are even more rare in their blood line then being a “dragon”
It's so cool to see the magic we see classified! I kind of thought that all strong magic is partly or wholly blood magic. So, greenseing and green dreams (or fever dreams for characters that lay to sleep on wierwoods stumps) happen due to blood sacrifices to weirwood/old gods, dragon dreams bc the Dragon lords connected their blood with dragons through blood magic, the skin changing happens due to some blood bonding between the children of the forest and starks/first men, melisandre sees future in the flames through burning king's blood, etc.
You forgot shadowbinding? Also, Melisandre could've been another example of elemental control: She ignited Varamyr when he was warged in his bird.
Wasn't that a slight of hand? She thew something like a molotov cocktail at the bird, but acted like it was her magic? She has in her POV thought that most of her more visible magic are simply tricks
@@Sienisota No. She has real fire magic at the Wall. She said in her POV she is as powerful there as Asshai, if not more.
@@SienisotaHer powers are growing exponentially, as do Dany's children
True, maybe he was including it as part of necromancy but considering shadow binding doesn't seem to reanimate the dead but instead take a part of someone's living soul to create a living shadow that doesn't make much sense
I've got a theory about the magic returning.
Is magic coming back to the world because of the dragons, or was dany able to hatch dragons because the others started coming back first? The others and the long night started happening before Dany's dragons hatched and maybe magic is returning to combat the others.
Or maybe the reason why both are coming back is due to magic. Like the world goes in cycles. Magic comes and goes and as it comes beings like dragons are welcomed into the world and as it goes they die off
@bloodangel19
Maybe it also has to do with the end of summer and the beginning of winter? It’s a common belief that sorcery or spirits (ghosts, demons etc) cause an aura of cold temperatures around them. Maybe in the world of ASOIAF, the long summer is followed by an equally long winter, which isn’t caused by seasonal climate change, but rather a global ‘haunting’ of the entire globe with spirits/magic? Thus producing a cold aura across the entire planet, and an increase of magic everywhere.
It's implied that it came back with the dragons
0:50 gets me everytime... The tears are real... Such an emotional ending...
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I think Aerys was also Dragon Dreamer and he saw others invade Kings Landing thats why he commanded to place wildfire all over the city
so when he said famous worlds "Burn them all"
he meant the others not people, Aeris wanted be ready to blow up whole city to get rid of others if they enter city .
Thats a nice paradox
For some reason "Ghost is more alive than I am", the accidental skinchanging, and a few other things really makes me feel like in the book Jon will have gone into Ghost before being killed and that can be his ticket back into his own body after some magic or something else aids em.
Always love to find a new ASOIAF creator! Also love the use of Souls footage to convey certain things. I am so deep into ASOIAF & Soulsborne-Ring(?) lore, they have so many interesting similarities. When I heard GRRM was on the team for ER I was overjoyed!
Awesome, glad you enjoyed. I love Souls lore as well.
Solid tackling of the lore in GoT for magic! I was wondering what the stories were behind each of them and didn't read the books myself yet, so the way you put this together was very pleasant to digest and listen on!
I loved the suspense early in the series, where magic was hinted at, but it hadn't yet been confirmed. Then the shadow baby killed Renley in what was a "holy shit" moment.
The biggest glamor is unfortunately the mystical book the winds of winter and how far it truly is in its completion. If he had a problem with wanting to scrap and start again maybe entrust it to secret editors that would edit and secure its existence. Once he had enough he could release them as parts of the same mythical yarn, ensuring it's readers and yet nearing a sense of accomplishment versus what we truly have years upon years of empty promises.
Not gonna lie, I've found it odd that none of the Targaryens we know of, even the ones pre-conquest, were ever Fire Mages, or Fire Priests.
Like, none of them took interest in these fire powers, despite the fact that having the Blood of the Dragon would, logically, be a big aid in channeling flames. And the fact that Targaryens (Valyrians in general) can handle higher temperatures than the other races like the First Men or Andals would also be a decent crutch to stand on.
If Dany's 3 young Dragons helped boost magic into the world again, imagine if the likes of Aemond and Daemon ever took interest in worshipping (or at least studying) the ways of R'hllor, the Lord of Light. Or just studying with Pyromancers or Fire Mages in Essos or something.
i dont think targaryens were ever really experts of any magic during the age of valeryia, thats why the were refered to as a lesser houe on the outskirts of the freehold. they just seem liked they should know cause most westeroses didnt have any other velryian to compare them too
GRRM on a behind the scenes video for hotd explained that the valyrian found it wasn't a+b+c type of way. It was who you are, what you want and etc. Less of a recipe more of a drive
It's because magic caused the downfall of Old Valkyria and I mean why would you need to throw fire balls when you have a dragon who can breathe fire hot enough to melt anything. It was just dangerous
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They don't know what caused the Doom, and if it was Magic, it wasn't DUE to magic being the issuI, rather lacktherof
If the Fire Mages weren't killed off by the Faceless Men, Valyria would still be around in full.
And yes, having a Dragon is great, but not if you're in the Red Keep and Vhagar or Caraxes are parked outside the city 😅
@@Ashbrash1998
So, they just never really thought about it and so therefore didn't pursue it, they just didn't take an interest?
That was incredibly satisfying!! Thank you so much for the work you do!!
This was very interesting and I always appreciate when things said are backed up with text from the source. Well done and many thanks to you!
Great job! This is the most concise collection of theories I've seen. Good job not getting bogged down in the details. Usually it's take 3, separate, 2+ hour videos to go over just one of these topics.
Very nice in-depth tackling of this topic!liked it very much
Larys Strong is also a rumored Greenseer. Alys Rivers is also said to have been able to see visions in storm clouds, water, and flames
Really impressed with the quality of this video, gonna check out your other stuff
Thanks for the arduous research to share
This was a really well put together video!
This was a great video! I love the Alt+Shift sttle of making the video as well! I have an entire channel of content to watch! Keep up the great work!
There's spells used to make Valerian steel and spells woven into the Red Keep.
Valerian Steel and the Red Keep are probably examples of highly advanced Alchemy as there's little difference other then the process of a liquid made with magical properties and a metal with magical properties. Also maybe there's a tie between Valerian Steel and fire magic tied to Old Valyria and all the volcanos. What I'm saying is maybe the magic and all the volcanos made valerian steel naturally appear in the Earth rather then something that's made by humans
I've always assumed Valyrian steel was made using dragon fire or dragon blood. That's why it can't be recreated after the Doom of Valyria as most of the dragons died; as well as the Valyrian smiths, mages, and alchemists that knew the secrets of its making.
I laughed out loud when you hit us with the Stanis “fewer” 😂
Great video! Love your content
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Great video - Rikkon had the same dream.....dope.
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The children of the forest also used wind magic its implied the greenmen of the isle of faces do too as well as moqorro wen he sacrifices for favorable winds but i guess that would be blood magic
*plugs this video into my IV*
thank you for the vid.
This makes me wonder if John Snow, assuming he is still a Stark & a Targaryen, could worg with a dragon. I thought for sure that's where it was going when he and Daeneyrs hooked up, and they would go into the final battle together.
I never considered that because I didn't know Jon was able to warg, but that sounds SICK
I heard a theory that the reason Valyrians never invaded Westeros for its gold was because they were scared of wargs taking control of their dragons.
I personally believe he is not a Targ, the trueborn son of Ned and Ashara. I saw too many parallels between Jon and Ned, or heck even Robb and Ned, not saying I found these by myself, nice theorists did, but they are convincing. IMO. Plus Jon has no dragon dreams, Jon would be more cooler being worthy of the legendary sword Dawn, for the battle of the Dawn.. fittin' isn't it?
@@karinelemaire6402 except we know he's not Ned's son. That was confirmed in the books...I thought. I know Sam has the book of genealogy, I think the same one Ned used to figure out Joffery wasn't Robert's son. I could be conflating the show and book.
@@karinelemaire6402 Trueborn son of Ned and Ashara?
Does that mean Robb and all the others are illegitimate?
Also you don't need dragon dreams to be a Targaryen. And he does have pseudo-prophetic dreams anyway, but I guess that could be from Ned's side of the family.
I think he will use Dawn but then give it back to House Dayne afterwards.
31:43 "Fewer" 😂
Every time he talks about winds of winter it makes me sad we will never see a dream of spring
I believe the books imply the Summer Islanders use sex magic.
I’m hoping that the Beesburrys use sugar to access magical powers.
I personally believe that it was the Red Comet that brought Magic back to the World.
Cool video
One of the sorcerers could be the first Rhaenys who probably hatched Quicksilver after the letter on Dragonstone
i am kinda sure that there is also some power in runes and glyphs
I'd love to learn more about skagos where Rick on went in the books if I remember right. I've not seen anything about it. It's like one of those little things that don't get much attention. Unless I've not found it yet
What do you feel will be Arya's book future, my justification now for the show's Arya path is that the Faceless Men thru worship of all the gods and Death plus incorporating the lives and exhistence of the people whoe faces they cull gives them magic sight as well into future past connections and the avatar FM wearing Jaquin Hagar as prisoner was on his way to end up part of the future army to fight the Dead and Night King who steals the dead from the God of Death not just the living from the Light/Life Gods. Jaquin Hagar Meeting Arya who as a 1st Man & warg descendant perceive her as a potential follower to add to the end fight to stop the Night King and the Dead army in honor of the God of Death retoring the balance of Life protectors Jon, Jaime, Brienne, Lord Barric, Thoros fighting for the living while Faceless Men fight FOR THE DEAD who are part of the way of life cycle. Ergo IMHO the GoT writer's choice to then use ARYA as the final one out of many to do THE DEED especially as they had the Valyrian dagger meme have Bran give it to her as he could see the future WAS VALID and poetic.
It would have been cool to have an episode with just ned and howland. Somewhat obscure but probably really good for a buddy conversation
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Howland sees a green dream of inside the Tower of Joy. And at the tower does the following.
Howland: "Arthur, stop! Lyanna is dying and the baby has to be kept safe. Ned will take it to Winterfell, the safest place it will be. If you kill him, everything will be undone and Rhaegar's son will die!"
Arthur: "I believe you... but they will never let this go if I remain alive. They will doubt and they will hunt, so the baby will never be safe. Kill me, Ned. That's how it has to be."
Thus Arthur sacrifices his life for the safety of the son of his prince and his friend, taking the secret to his grave.
A way more believable scene than what happened in the show.
is it just me or do the side effects of blood magic (specifically on targaryens) match up pretty close to radiation poisoning?
One of the princes that was promised. There are 3 all together. Dany., John , and one more. Not sure who yet.
Blood magic is all about sacrifice, and I think that's the terrible secret to what happened at Summerhall. Aegon V and his pyromancers had researched all remaining Valyrian dargon lore, magic, etc and worked out that it wasn’t just fire and blood that was needed but a blood sacrifice of someone that was beloved to the caster. The greater the sacrifice the greater the reward.
The legend of Azor Ahai and Nisa Nisa practically spells it out explicitly and Daenerys's sacrifice not just of Miri Mazdur but of Khal Drogo, and in a round about way, her unborn son confirms it.
Aegon called together his entire family, all of the blood of the dragon, and intended to sacrifice some of them as part of the ritual. Likely seven for the seven eggs he wished to hatch.
Ser Duncan likely stopped him by releasing them. That's why the few that survived never spoke about what took plsce as Aegon V had been so beloved and everyone that was there was deeply traumatized.
what about the warlocks magic? it seems very different in the show at least (not a bookreader), like they can multiply, teleport(dani inside the house of the undying, and they can zoom around aswell), animate shackles and such.
I think this video is assessing based on the wider book lore. In the books Pyat Pree is much more explicitly a conman and it seems like its The House Of The Undying that has some sort of magic placed over it, as opposed to Pyat Pree being magical. In the book I don't think Pyat Pree actually commits any magical feats, however the House of the Undying is unlike anything we've seen elsewhere in the world, using illusion magic to conjure up various visions, as well as disguising the fact that the 'Undying' are in fact a bunch of mangled corpses
@@checkm8964 would make sense that it's similar to the magic Milasandra uses to look young
what you see in the show is just an illusion, so glamor?
but in the books their unnaturally long lives are the result of blood magic at the very least. they have this blue beating heart that floats in-between all of their mostly lifeless bodies and they try to steal her life force.
@@GrandMoffOfMars it must have been blood magic in the show too otherwise if it's just illusion magic why would Millasandre die after taking her necklace off
@Jeam Beam the show is lazy and dumb and probably writes it off as her just losing the will to live and her purpose. there's never a constant stream of blood sacrifices to fuel it, those are all done under different pretense, and since they mostly work there's no reason to doubt that.
and in the books she gives mance a similar bracelet, which is how she gives him a disguise.
Dragondreamers are said to be "rare and secretive" but I swear more than half the Targaryens are dragondreamers.
This a detail that really annoyed me I wish that they had been more selective with who the dragon dreamers were
It think it might have something to do with all the subsequent members of house Targaryan being decended from Deanys the Dreamer.
Also, dragon dreams seem to get more prolific the closer to the coming of The Others and the Long Night, as well as after the dragons died out. My theory is that without dragons to bond to the inate magic in the Targaryan blood line began to express itself in other ways: both in prophetic dreams and in madness.
I believe all of the Stark children have warg power.
Yeah I saw a someone said Robb may have tried to warg into his wolf before he died but then it got killed as well
I think the winged wolf is Jon he’s chained by the nights watch and is freed by resurrecting
Is Warging a magical power or a psychic power?
Shame GoT is low magic, shows like this are always much more cool with high magic, also magic never exist for no reason. great video btw
The Children also used water magic to break the Arm of Dorne.
What about shadow binders ?
This video exposes the danger of the audiobooks. The pace is too much to absorb all the information 😮😮😮
Did amthyst empress have purple eyes
I think Bran already Broke the third Abomination in the Prologue of the book when six skins passes into his wolf
What if the rise of the white walkers from their long summer hibernation and the imminent long winter also triggered the revival of magic?
Did someone move to ice lands along time ago for the others to form?
Why didnt the promise one use dragon glass to cut down the others instant of plunging sword in his love
Time Travel ? 👀 ( changing the past or future, basically what happened to Hodor )
book bran quite the monster huh
Unless you're talking about the town up the road from Reading, UK, then Slough is pronounced sloff.
magic is cool
So… Fire, air, water… and earth?!…. DAMMIT AANG!!!!
Okay but do we know or is there any guarantee that John is even going to be resurrected in the books?
Yup, that guarantee is the Writer Grrm lol. He literally confrimed in his Interviews that Jon will resurrect the same way in the book as he did in the show lol....
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Sadly he said we will never go to Asshai only in flashbacks too bad it’s a good place for world building
If the 3eyed crow could see into the future, why wouldn't he see that trying to convert Euron was a bad idea and thus leave him to be where he was?
Granted, the threat of Euron plays a role in the future of the world, so he was somewhat forced to open his eyes, but if the future was so concretely meant to be then why bother trying to do anything with anyone? It will happen whether he tries or not, right?
PSA slough rhymes with rough
There's a little plot hole there. If you only stole one cask of the shadow wine how could you be addicted to it and also share or make others drink it. Unless it's one of those majic wine casks that never runs dry
I think Aemon died in Braavos. ;o
Hodor!
Magic returning bought the dragons back not the other way around.
That's an interesting Bran warging and raping someone theory you have there. But have you considered fucking no stop it?
I know you only mentioned it and didn't come up with it but god damn I hope that doesn't happen.
euron uses wind magic to make his ship faster. some sort of blood magic.
victarion does this as well, but thru the red priest he rescued otw to danny. melakor was probably worth mentioning this video
Outcast Maester? He’s an Archmaester. How outcast can he be?
the night king could be the bloodstone emperor
Don't hold your breath. After Martin is not among us anymore, from notes and drafts, the ending will be delivered.
I wonder who it'll be.
20:16 Parlor tricks , not necromancy. The white walkers make zombies out of dead flesh, (Anita Blake echoes, Martin shamelessly stole from every fantasy series ever) but you kill the walker ,the zombies " die" again.
Zombies do not stop, until the command imprinted in them by the magic that raised them is fulfilled. Kill the bokor , it wont save you. The bargain has been struck, the price paid, the zombie will deliver. it is not the bokor's power that moves it.
Idiots the lot of them. Blood magic ?Do the fools even know what they invoke? The faceless men suspect, it why they refuse to take it upon them to share their gift.
Life comes from death. Nothing exists , that something was nor murdered to make it so.
Search the old tales about the creation of the world. The older the tale is, the bloodier.
Preston Jacobs still out here denying all magic in ASoIaF. How can you be so deep in denial, it's just sad.
I've never heard anyone pronounce dragon the way you do. It's interesting. "Dregon"
He’s just tryna be different, the annunciations are out there
I reckon magic returned when Gandalf became the white. Hang on where are we........
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I dont mean this as a dick but as someone who learns a lot of vocab from reading and is prone to mispronunciation because of it and constantly looks up pronunciation now. Slough is pronounced like sluff.
Melisandre had the best
What's funny is that because Visenya was getting older and had no children, the men labeled her infertile and when she finally got pregnant... She's was labeled a witch...
The history of incest in the Targaryen bloodline certainly has nothing to do with it, right? And Maegor being crazy is not due to the continuous incest, right?? RIGHT.
I'm not sure divination can show the future. The example used, Bran and Rickon "predicting" Eddard's death, doesn't really predict anything. Their dreams occur only a few hours before the raven reaches Winterfell, not Eddard's death itself. As for dragon dreams, many people who have no connection to dragons dream of them; both Tyrion and one of the Toland sisters admit to dreaming of dragons. Even among Valyrians, dragon dreams seem more like a form of psychosis than any kind of productive magic, such as Brightflame chugging wildfire, thinking this would turn him into a dragon (it just killed him).
TLDR: Divination seems more easily explained as a form of telepathy (mind to mind communication) than a literal foretelling of the future; situations that are less clear cut like dragon dreams seem to just be dreams without anything magical about them.
I feel like you skipped the "magic" of the Cranog Men... people who can "breath earth" it is said... AND the magic of the Rhoynar and the water mages. There is more "magic" than what you have summarized here. Any chance for an appended upload?
No, the video was getting long so I cut out any references to magic that there simply is not enough textual evidence or examples of.
Water magic is probably just another type of elemental magic
I’m really upset that Moqorro wast brought up..
Video was getting long, and he’s not too different from Melisandre and other Red Priests so I decided to cut him.
Eh don't be so quick to count Jon snow as Leanna and Rheagars kid as book cannon.
Don’t count the totally obvious twist as canon. It’s coming, get over it
the only thing that will be different is his name. lol cope
What about face changing magic
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It's too bad that the books will never be finished.