How King Aenys Nearly Destroyed House Targaryen
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- Aegon Targaryen conquered Westeros and established a dynasty of dragonlords. Yet his two sons, Aenys and Maegor, nearly destroyed that new dynasty right after it began. Aenys Targaryen was the second king of Westeros, and sat the Iron Throne from 37-42 AC. In that time, he quarreled with his brother Maegor and his aunt Visenya, he burned bridges with the Faith of the Seven, and he sat waiting in his castle when faced with rebellion.
Next video will cover Maegor the Cruel's reign of terror.
Timestamps:
0:00 - 1:20 Intro
1:20 - 9:00 Young Sons of the Dragon
9:00 - 13:50 Four Rebellions
13:50 - 15:51 Aenys vs Maegor
15:51 - 21:22 Aenys's Big Mistake
21:22 - 22:13 Last Words
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Definitely knock points away from Aenys for not even trying to save his kids when he learned they were captured...sometimes you gotta be brave even when you're worried and scared.
For sure. What’s the point of being a Dragonlord if you don’t use your dragon to protect your family?
@@CrusaderChris it's honestly odd that he was a dragon rider being so weak willed.
Leaving Kingslanding would have left the throne unprotected. His quicksilver against Visenya's Vhagar... Sending Aegon and Rhaena on tour was a gamble, although it was necessary it meant sacrificing his advantage (2 dragons against one)
That’s the only time you can be brave
He died 3 days later. So I’m guessing he was already to ill to fly
Ironic that Aenys’ son, Jaehaerys, was nothing like him and his grandson, Baelon, was nothing like him yet it was his great grandson, Viserys, who was most like him.
For some reason Daemon and Vizzy T kinda mirrors Maegor and Aenys 🥲
@@captainvalourous6668 😂 Vizzy T, i like it
Viserys always reminded me more of Aegon IV
Idk Book Visy I was more like Robert
Visery's wasn't an indecisive ruler like Aeny's though. That fact was clearly written.
“Still incestuous enough to get the job done” are the real Targaryen words
I think Maegor loved Aenys. Aegon raised Aenys poorly.
Aegon seemed like a pretty terrible parent. He barely even acknowledged Maegor’s existence and had he paid more attention to him perhaps Maegor would have turned out a little differently. I’m not saying it’s entirely Aegon’s fault and Maegor is responsible for his own actions, but had he spent time with his son, Maegor would perhaps have been less influenced by Visenya’s ambitions.
Sadly no matter how good a warrior Aegon is, he let his feelings for Rhaenys cloud him.
@@raniaminhas3406 I think Aegon stopped living after Rhaenys death. The love of his life was dead.
Maegor, if he was capable of love, definitely loved Aegon and Visenya Perhaps he loved Aenys too... Personally, I think Maegor saw Aenys as a means to an end. As Aenys had many children that meant Maegor would have many options for whives...
@@raniaminhas3406 I don't think aegon was ever the same person after the death of rhaenys and the letter from Dorne.
If they were to have their own show I wish Maegor and Aenys' relationship will be portrayed similar Daemon and Viserys because from what I see while Aenys is an incompetent spineless bitch he is the only person to treat Maegor as a family that he even gave him the sword Blackfyre.
Well to be fair on your point of Aegon and Rhaenys only having Aenys. Rhaenys did die during the first dornish war. Leaving Aegon unable to sire more children with her. And Aegon and Visenya's relationship grew increasingly distant as the years went on. Likely explaining why Maegor was the only child born between them.
he really didn't like her, but then again she was the only sister who didn't cheat on him. That man was a simp.
@@HelenA-vz5wy in my eyes visenya was probably the most loyal and faithful to aegon since maegor literally reminds me of aegon himself unlike his other children.
@@Mcherrinah maegor looks like visenya so much he was too big and harsh looking also aegon uncronwed and jahaerys and daemon blackfyre are only ones to look like him specially the unctowned everyone said he was the copy of aegon
Aegon was probably also, well not infertile, but he only ended up having 2 kids from one woman each. In Fire and Blood it said that he slept with Rhaenys a lot and yet they only had one child.
@@raniaminhas3406 we don't know when he married rhaenys too don't forget that he went to essos for a period before conquest and he started it at 25 and you know middle war he can't risk lose aqueen and dragon she can't fight so rhaenys got pregnant in festivals when they thought they had dorne finally before news of the rebellious borke in KL
Poor Aenys grew up thinking he was the luckiest man in the world as everyone dotted on him and sought his favour and friendship only to find out they would rebel against him if they thought it advantageous
The thing about maegor and aenys is that they are two sides of one coin. One was overly nice and one was overly harsh. Because of his overly nice attitude aenys almost ruined everything his dad bulit but at the same time everyone tries make it seems maegor was this terrible king when really he just fixed most of most of aenys’s mess but har very little compassion
You didn't read books well then dude was killing everyone do you know he almost got the house extinct jahaerys if he had him he d kill him like his two other brothers and maegor didn't even have heirs ..
He might have fixed most of his brother's mess but the dude was a straight up psychopath.
@@kingkashi5151 problem he fixed at beginning and started destroying the realm man almost got house targaryen extinct by killing his nephews and everyone
bro was born because of dark magic and was healed by dark magic he never had a chance of being semi normal
Meagor was terrible. Holding together a kingdom through terror is just pushing its destruction further down the line. Being nice wasn't Anys's problem. Making bad decisions was. Same with Viserys. Jahaerys was very effective and considered calm and reasonable. He was able to clean up the messes made by both Anys and Meagor. He wasn't stupid nor avoided responsibilities. Niceness isn't ineffective just as tyranny isn't strength. It's intelligence that's needed most of all.
I feel bad for Aenys, he seemed like a genuinely good guy like viserys but just didn’t have the heart for a position he had no choice in. Much like viserys he loved his brother as well but both relationships were obviously pretty rocky
Much like Viserys, he was scared sh*tless of his brother aswell and knew that whatever son he would have would be in danger...
Viserys was abhorrent as a whole character though.
@@jorismeso3703 Maegor is a total trash, I understand him.
Good men don’t make good kings. GRRM subverts that trope whenever he can.
@@An-kp7ru No he wasn't, Viserys is above the average compared to other ASOIAF/Westerosi men. There are way worse characters in ASOIAF than him.
Aenys was basically tytos Lannister as a Targaryen on the iron throne.
Difference is Aenys not only ruled a continent but also had a dragon, and was still craven
Maegor saved that family several times over. It is worth considering the Old Town Conspiracies when it comes to his legacy! Which is not to say he did not do crazy questionable stuff!
I seriously can't wait to see Visenya Targaryen in live action🤩🤩🤩😂😂😂😂😂😂
They just greenlit an Aegons Conquest series. So it's going to be a long while
I deeply enjoyed your astute statement of “the dumb dumb Aenys”
That’s the type of quality analysis this channel provides
I forget how the Hightowers constantly vied for power.
Aenys reign is a perfect example of the ideal that the most dangerous time in a newly established ruling dynasty's reign is the second king. The Lords didnt rebel against Aegon because they both respected and feared him, as he had united six kingdoms through not only Fire and Blood, but also through wise and just rule, and respect for Westerosi traditions. Aenys didnt have that same respect, and so the lords would obviously test him, and obviously found him wanting. The fact that House Targaryen survived Aenys reign is a small miracle. Maegor, as cruel and vicious as he was, probably saved House Targaryen because he established the fear of their house in the Lords of Westeros, and breaking the militant power of those hyper conservative jackles of the Faith.
If Maegor stayed in Pentos after Aenys died, all of his nephews and nieces would have died shortly afterward, well maybe not Alysane since she’d probably be fought over as a bride so another outside house could rule the realm, so it was really Maegor that saved the house from extinction even though he did kill 2 members of his own house
That's why Jahaerys and future generations of Targaryens still respected Maegor and spoke of him with admiration... He was basically a warning to all on what it meant to mess with the Targaryens and Maybe even the reason why some lords would rather burn than see Dany land on Westeros because they still remember Maegor...
@@jorismeso3703 I don’t think they speak of him with admiration (except maybe for Aerion) but they definitely use him as a warning that’s for sure
Rhaena and Aegon the Uncrowned probably would have been strong enough rulers to pummel the faith into submission eventually. Especially if Visenya decides to help them. But you got a point though without Maegor scaring the hell out of the faith they wouldn't have disarmed, accepted Jaehaerys' Doctrine of Exceptionalism, and his rule as King.
You're forgetting Visenya. She could have dealt with all of those problems if Aenys let her.
@@travisgames6608 she had no reason to, since her biggest priority was making Maegor King, she wouldn’t deliberately stabilize the realm for her sons rival
Maegor was arguably not a "bad" king. Bad being ineffective. He was quite effective. He was a cruel and horrible person. But he was an effective, strong and successful king.
Dude broke the realm and emptied the treasure
@lara anne he successfully consolidated power and put down a religious uprising (faith of the 7) that threatened their entire dynasty. Among other things
@@ino7604 no he didn't completely do it it was jahaerys who found solution with his intelligent wise brain go re-read fire and blood
@lara anne you're not wrong and I haven't read fire and blood. Just a song of ice and fire so far. I didn't say that he "completely did it" . Not sure why you have so much hostility in your comment
@@waiehukukailimoku5644 he killed people for nothing and was rapist ... and usurper what do u think is that aegon was called the dragon and used violence in needs not everywhere
Bro if he was king in any other time period I feel like he would’ve been so good, the ways he tried to make peace with his brother seemed so effective until you remember that his brother was maegor
Didn't he leave his children to die
The issues during his rule were directly caused by his weakness and lack of a backbone
Out of Aegon the conqueror sons I like Maegor over Aenys
The sad thing is Aenys seemed like a good man with a good heart but took being well liked over being decisive
The number of people who are missing the point of the video to point out what is right now only the show's canon is kinda depressing. It is also not exactly proven if the marriage in the show was legal or binding. People just accepted it because Bran told good stories, a shit reason to select a king tbh. Awesome video dude.
The truth has been spoken too many times, the real and true enemy of House Targaryen is its own self. We have seen vicious Targaryen kings ( Maegor, & Aerys II Targaryen ) and idiot kings ( Aenys, Viserys, Daeron ll ) Aenys was the very first king to be the original source for cracks in the Targaryen dynasty.
How was Daeron ll an idiot?
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Not that Daeron, I meant to say the first one who invaded Dorne.
@@seth_fitzgerald oh yea tbf though mfer was literally like 14 when he took the throne so him being a terrible king makes sense, brilliant commander though
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"Stokeworth's departure would leave King's Landing undefended"
Someone wanna tell him about he handful of dragons and other nearby lords he has?
Aenys kinda forgot he was a Dragonlord
Someone should tell you 4 words: Rhaenys, Dorne, dragon, bolt.
@@liviuganea4108 So you think Harren the Red(The person King Aenys was worried about attacking Stokeworth in this particular quote) and his outlaws have ballista to attack his dragons with 😂? Also, you're mentioning a dragon kill that has been repeatedly stated to be a one in a million shot.
@@NRV0 In case you're unaware (or more likely just plain stupid), Harren attacked Harrenhal and defeated its lord. There's just one source of ballistae. The jews were poorly equipped and yet they still annihilated the Syrian legion. You say "one in a million" like it's basically impossible. It's not, case in point.
@@liviuganea4108 Look guy, you don't have to show your true colors of being a pathetic uber fanboy by calling me stupid. None of this is real. I'm only going on what based in the story and not trying to bring real life stuff into a fantasy lol.
Harren the Red only took over Harrenhal due to the common people hating the Lord and opening the gates. Now if you think he and his vagabond group can do the same to Stokeworth, a domain so close to Kingslanding and its dragons be my guess.
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He and his sons are the reason why Maegor is my favorite Targaryen!!!!
Honestly, Viserys in HotD gives me Aenys vibes. Both King's just didn't really have it in them/what it took to be a truly competent king.
Granted, I feel Maegor was too far on the extreme side, which isn't good either. If Aegon the Uncrowned had, well, been crowned as King, Maegor being Master of War and Visenya as hand (or shoot, do this during Aenys' reign, as a matter of fact) would've been ideal, and maybe would've worked out better
As for the Targaryen Dynasty being a farce and all descendant from some other Valyrian bastard mothered by the Sister-wife Rhaenys, I don't think it would be fitting at all tbh. Like, it would ruin the storyline of the Targaryens for me, if I'm being honest. Targaryens have always been on and off with their fertility, so, not hard to believe that they just never got any more than 2 kids out of the decades of marriage.
They both lost their mom's at young age too which played major role
Viserys(Paddy) was a fine king. I agree there may have been better suited rulers but Viserys goal was just a peaceful kingdom. He held no ambition after that however…
I agree with you. There is also a weird thing going on in their bloodline that makes them have 3 kids. So It would not be weird to assume that weird stuff goes with their blood. Definitely if Aenys and Maegor are bastard, that would be ruining the entire story of the dynasty once again. I never believed that the Targaryens are bastards. Rhaenys loved Aegon, she had many artist around, but doesnt mean she will sleep with them. Visenya was loyal, and would never ever cheated due to her morals. And using magic well... but you still need a man to get pregnant, otherwise Maegor would be conceived without a father xD which is absurd.
@@Alejojojo6 the prince yhat was promised is of aegon s blood that matters
@@alexmartin3143 Nah he was shit. His actions directly led to the non-existent dragon power in the current time.
Parallels between Aenys/Maegor and Viserys/Daemon I feel
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Aenys is the perfect example of someone that's not a bad person but his aversion to violence at all costs made him a weak King
Maegor loved his brother-although Aegon spent most of his time with Aenys-but hated his stupid decisions that almost led to the destruction of the Targaryen rule
I think Maegor and Aenys were cool
Maegor was a savage and a tyrant. But he had to be like that because of how weak Aenys was. I don't think he can be counted as insane, like Aerys II or Baelor the Blessed were. At that time Maegor was actually responsible for keeping the Targaryen dynasty alive. Targaryens faced very tough times and they needed the tough king to deal with them. If only Aegon paid more attention while raising Maegor...
To start with, 1. No king should ever give anyone else Blackfyre. #2. The king has to put down rebellions. Nearest to farthest makes sense when you have dragons. 3. Your adult heir needs a rideable dragon, especially if his wife already has one. 4. Roast religious fanatics who insult and defy you. Start with nearest to furthest and you would probably never have to burn down the Starry Sept in Oldtown.
We need an aegon show the first ruler of Westeros
Would a adpatation of this I recently reading through Fire & Blood and just love the lore
I love King Maegor
In my opinion, he got whacked by the Church and Maesters.
Remember, history is written by the winners.
@@dionysusmclaren12 completely agree. I believe if Maegor didn't break The Faith Jaehaerys wouldn't be able to make peace with them.
If there were no Maegor, the Faith would've captured and executed the Targaryen royal family and either create a theocracy led military dictatorship or return Westeros to the original status of the independent 7 kingdoms
Yeah whatever point Aenys gets for not jumping to violence and trying diplomacy he immediately loses for not doing anything and just letting bad situations fester-including his own kids getting taken captive!
Honestly, I dont think Visenya used magic to conceive Maegor. Think about it, they already got two boys for the throne, so they just need a daughter to keep the bloodline pure. Sure, they can just have one of their sons marry a noblewoman to secure alliances but again, they have two sons. They can just have one of them marry his sister and the other marry a noblewoman.
What Im trying to say is that Visenya couldve impregnanted herself with magic again to give Aegon a daughter.
I agree. She outlived her younger brother/husband and her nephew which is not normal during these times
Aegon effed up-whether Maegor came about naturally or no-Aegon SHOULD have taken Maegor with him. If Aegon wasn't going to disown him publicly, he should have gone ALL the way to include him. I hate to say this as a woman and a mother of sons, but Maegor was his Mother's Son. And Aegon let that shit happen. It was Aegon who couldn't make his mind up and follow through; it was Aegon who left it to Aenys to figure out. It was Visenya who was always really in charge. EDIT I'm saying-if Aegon raised his son, and Visenya raised her son...it's just maths, this was about the Hightowers and what THEY wanted, for themselves, not Aenys or Targaryen marriage, etc. The way it reads, the Targaryen's had a deal, in place, with the Hightowers BEFORE the invasion/conquering of Westeros.
Imagine the Lord of the Eerie hanging out waiting for a siege and Balerion soars up lol
22:05 Now that's an addiction I can get behind
Do jaehaerys's 55 years
Was Aenys really depraved? I mean, yes, he was ineffectual. But Maegor alone fits the description of depraved
“Still incestuous enough to get the job done” is outrageous💀💀💀
Maegor "Fvck around and Find out" Targaryen. Without him House Targaryen wouldn't last even 50 years of reign.
"No you cant get betrothed to your niece Maegor, infact now you have to marry the high septons niece who is not valyrian, much older than you and is defintely infertile *proceeds to fucking betroth said daughter to his son instead and starts a religious uprisng*
Aenys and Maegor, the Tytos and Tywin Lannister of the Targaryen family.
Dude has a badass Aunt giving him great advice and he just goes eh
Aegon wasn't supposed to marry Rhaenys but fought Valyrian traditions to marry her. Rhaenys wasn't mentally unstable unlike most Targaryens who do wild shit. So, it's not possible for Rhaenys to cheat on Aegon.
Aegon probably should’ve had a couple of girls to even Aenys and Maegor out 😂
theme name pls 11:23
I will never understand Aneys despite how many videos of him I watch. You would think even if he was weak after the faith almost killed him un his own bedroom he would stand up and want revenge or anything else Ben if he was to craven Visenya offered to get revenge for him he should have accepted
My favorite targaryen theory is that the line ended with aegon dragonsbane and his idiot sons and that the viserys ii that "returned" to his brother wasnt him at all but an imposter.
Okay Aenys would’ve been a good and kind king had it not been immediately after The Conquest we’re strength was needed
Maegors story has a lot of similarities with daemons .
His childhood was fucked up the weakness was of the lack of parenting aegon was ruling and was amale in that era and rhaenys poor woman died when he was 3 thinking she would Comeback it s hard yeh I am not with his indecisive attitude but I blame aegon he was spoiling him to much cause he was rhaenys s son the loved of his s life son he neglected maegor son of the woman he only married for duty also he seems to stay as a shadow to aenys like aenys never dealt with problems alone cause his dad is aegin fucking conqueror so yeahh if we look at jahaerys he had his mother he lost his father but atleast he didn't become that indecisive but strong and wise king cause he had someone to boost his confidence and build his caracter
also the pic of aegon walkin like an npc with blaccfyre pointed straight ahead haha
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nevermind i guess that maegor but still funny
Hearing about Aenys' years of rule makes me sick, he was so stupid, it causes me physical pain🙄
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I kinda lean in to the idea that rumors of Rhaenys possibly cheating on Aegon were started by Visenya in hopes of getting Aegon to weaken Aenys' kingship or just make Aegon doubt Rhaenys and look at Visenya more.
Yea I never got why Visenya was throwing temper tantrums all over the place. She must surely have known that the second Aneys wife popped out son after son that there were no way Meagor would never be king.
She was the elder sister and Aegon's first wife and thus _should_ have born Aegon's heir. But Aegon had been forced by their father to marry her and, outside of war, they never got along. Aegon actually flew off to the Free Cites for a few years after marrying her. Likely to avoid his husbandly 'dutes' and only returned when their father died. Then he promptly married his younger sister Rheanys.
I feel the kings kids the brother knocked up the sister so shotgun wedding
I never understood why the Targaryen’s never married anyone from the walled city of Mereen
You name your kid that, what did you expect him to do?
He should have taken Maegor as his enforcer, let him take the blame and do the dirty work that Aenys couldnt do himself (what robb should have done with Roose in the WOT5K, and what tywin does with amory lorch and gregor clegane) instead of banishing him. Maegor only really took the throne because no one else could, Visenya encouraged him to and not just because he was her son. Aegon was weak and trapped in the Westerlands by the faith. If Maegor didnt take the throne then everyone would see the Dragonlords as weak and declared independence.
damn callin aenys and maegor degenerates is pretty heavy language hahaha
how come that flame cannot harm valyrian steel yet it can be melted?
I don’t understand why Aenys did fly to the Castle and save his children?
I really love this universe but so much incest is kind of disturbing and creeping me out like ALOT!
Maegor literally living daemon dream 😅😅😅.
I don't get why fans question having so little children with his two wives. I mean why is there no question was Aemon the son of jaehaerys only had 1 daughter in over a decade of marriage to a baratheon no less. Hell baelor breakspear only had two sons too in all his years of marriage.
The main reason is that the legitimacy of Aenys and Maegor is brought up as an in-universe conspiracy, rather than simply being a fan theory. The book itself mentions how Rhaenys entertained lots of men and how Visenya was rumored to be a sorceress. GRRM is calling attention to it so that we can speculate.
@@CrusaderChris yea which is highly doubted as well. Those are aegon's kids
@@CrusaderChris it could be both the children were fathered with blood magic, and the letter used as a threat has no sense, the King could have seized Deria and brought her into a dungeon as well, Lord Oakheart wanted her to be sold in the meanest of the brothels.
Aenys not son of Aegon cannot be proven after Maegor birth, and the confession of Rhaenys under torture could be considered a lie, people say everything under torture, then the news of the tortured queen would have enraged the six kingdoms, she was the beloved one by the small folk
Because the text doesn't actually support Aerys being Aegon's. Words Targaryen men and maesters say are the only thing that backs it and words are wind.
Came from Valyria with 5 dragons. Of the 5, just Balerion is left at conquest. Meraxes, born sometime shortly before or after the Doom, around a century before the conquest. Vhagar, about 5 decades before the conquest.
They aren't thriving. Absolutely nothing says they are doing well before the conquest. They are literally scrambling to fix the issue of no dragons hatching. They are dying. "The blood must remain pure" when there used to be other Valyrians to marry. Not siblings marrying for over a century with a couple of Valeryons thrown in.
It's not a magic spell of conquering westeros that gives Aegon babies. It's a sperm donor and finally for the first time in over 5 decades a new dragon has hatched while Rhaenys is pregnant with Aenys. His half Massey half Valeryon wife Alyssa give us a mini boom with their kids and a major boom with their grandkids.
More dragons just between Aenys & his kids than the Targaryens have had since Aegon and his sisters were born. And by the next generation, the Targaryens have more dragons than we have ever known them to have being "pure." New blood. Yes, the grandkids come from siblings, but their parents both brought new blood. Look at who has claimed Balerion. He's only the illusion of power.
Aegon messed up too. Like Viserys, Aerea, and Maegor. His mess up takes longer to see. It wasn't hoarding the power and ruling over Westeros. They were supposed to rebuild a better Valyria. Marry into the Seven Kingdoms & spread the protection from the long night. Eggs still need to be regulated. Too much fire is just as deadly as no fire. BUT they were supposed to branch off and fix the problems of old Valyria.
I know the history of a fictional world better than our real worlds😅
Flame cannot harm Val steel??!
Explain how ice was made into two new swords in GOT…..
Seems like it can be melted eh??
Is melting harm?
"King Aenys 'the dumb dumb'"
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Aegon Should have set the precedent of incest with Meager. ( sentence I would not have thought id ever write) But could have strong armed the faith, maybe by creating a faith of the dragon. What would they have done, and it would have nipped it right away and tied his two lines.
19:38 Wait i thought Quicksilver was a She-Dragon?
Probably a mistake by George
Wonder what the chances are that aegon only having two children was due to rhaenys and visenya having fertility problems. I do remember reading somewhere years ago that females born of incest are vastly more likely to have problems with their reproductive system.
Or maybe it was something to do with Aegon? I find it doubtfull that both Sisters would have fertility problems.
@@someguyontheinternet2684 Yeah, this would also seem VERY odd given that in the future, Targaryens born from even more incest seem to be capable of producing like rabbits without any birth defects (Probably a result/perk of Valyrian blood), so if the theory of all Targaryens being descendents from bastards is true, it seems more likely that either Aegon "couldn't get it on" for one reason or another and the sisters just decided "Well, we gotta keep the family line going ONE way or another", that even though he loved his sisters, the love wasn't mutual (I mean both seemed to love spending their time either with other people or straight up away from Aegon) and he couldn't force himself on them and just went "Fuck it, 50% Targaryen is still Targaryen, good enough for me", or maybe a mix of both
@@user-kq5ci7ol8o I honestly just think Aegon had fertility issues which is why it was so hard for him to produce a son. And Rhaenys was the one he married for Love, Visenya was for duty. So with Rhaenys dead I doubt Aegon nor Visenya had that much interest to lay with each other anymore after Maegor was born.
@@someguyontheinternet2684 Oh, I misread then, you're saying that both kids ARE Aegons, and Aegon "couldn't get it on" that well so that's why he only had two, yeah ok I can buy that, I was just arguing that if we go for the "They're all bastards" theory, than either Aegon just straight up couldn't make children, or that despite them both Aegon, his sisters didn't love him enough to "Do the deed", though oddly enough I buy Visenya doing the deed more than I buy Rhaynera doing it
i think rhaenys had fertility problemsn not aegon. Long story short she had 1 weak and sickly son despite supposedly sleeping with aegon 10x more than visenya. As soon as she died, Visenya gets pregnant at 41 (considered very rare and dangerous at the time) and gives birth to a strong and healthy son.
Wow, imagine being the equivalent of the US in an ocean of third world countries and still fleeing to Hawaii the second someone says no to you
King aenys to the faith
You can't either let my brother take a second wife or let my children have hot brother on sister action. But you can't have bothe
I'm surprised he didn't make that ultimatum at that point lol
Aegon the conquerer is 100% the father of Aenys...
Aegon had vision of the others marching south and he thought Westeros needed to be under Targaryen rule when the time comes.
"...and OF HIS (Aegon) LINE the song of ice and fire shall be brought..."
So his descendent(s) would help destroy the others, which means either every other following targs visions were wrong OR his kids were legitimate.
Oh and Jon Snow is NOT a bastard, if you believe him to be the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna, then you would also have to believe, that they had married (even in the books, everything points to them being in love) in secret so Jon Targaryen or whatever his real first name is is NOT a bastard.
Maegor and Aenys did nothing wrong.
Jon Snow is not a Targaryen bastard. According to the show, Rhaegar and Lynanna were married. They were likely married in the books as well. Keep in mind that 3 Kingsguard were at the tower of joy. Kingsguard would only guard a legitimate heir, not a mistress and her bastard.
" according to the show " You see that's where you went wrong you should not use the show as a basis , the show broke the rules of the universe, Rhaegar was already married and never officially annulled his marriage so regardless if he married lyanna or not Jon would still be a basterd , rather he's ligetament or not is illrelavent they were ordered by the Prince to guard lyanna so that's what they did.
@@thatoneblackdude3333you do realise george gave d and d the main plot points to work with on the show the annulment and marriage of lyanna likely being one of them, he had lyanna for almost a year btw easily enough time to find a maester get annuled and marry lyanna, don't forget Jon's whole storyline is him learning to live with being a bastard and what comes with it, him turning out to be the rightful heir is very important to his story it completely contrasts his upbringing and life throughout the series it's a huge plot point for any character to have
@@user-op6kt8pg9y he gave them the basic idea which could me fucking anything but considering he literally Said multiple times that the books will be different I don't think it matters , that's not how annulment works he needs permission from Aries who he had a bad relationship with and a high septom you can't just get a annulment on a whim like that otherwise what rhenerya and daemon did makes no since if they could just casually divorce there spouses, it also doesn't make since for Rhaegar to do that because he believed his aegon was the Prince that was promised he was planning to have a Visenya with lyanna why would he disinherit his believed savor son? , no Jon's whole character is wanting to be a stark him Turning out to truly not being one is a way bigger impact then being the hier to the throne because Jon doesn't care about the iron throne , yea his whole story is dealing with being a basterd so why ruin that by having him not actually be one ? That's stupid cliche writing.
@@user-op6kt8pg9ythats really stupid in the Show like the Showrunner Forgot that the setting are in Westeros were Divorce is Forbidden and Annullment is only Given by the King thru recommendation by the High Septon even in the North were the Worship of Old Gods forbid Divorce and still will ask the King for Annullment of Marriage especially concerning Couples belongs to Great Houses the only thing for Jon Snow to be considered Targaryen is thru Royal Approval legitimization again the King is the only one can approve that theres no way Aerys II will Grant any of that when he needed any help from Dorne.
He pronounces dragon like it's spelled like Draygin
Jon Snow/Aegon Targaryen wasn't a bastard.
Aenys was orphaned as a babe and whent into regression and even befor that he was sickly... He went on to bond with a dragon though and grew up to be about as tall as his dad. He would claim a dragon, marry the most suitable wife available and give his father 3 grandsons and 2 daughters who would become Dragonriders. Honestly none of what happened would've if Aegon didn't croak at f*ckin 64 years old. Another 5 years would've done the trick Aenys' son could've claimed Balerion the black dread and through Rhaena and Alysanne 2 lines of pure Valyrians could've been made and further generations could start marrying their cousins instead of their siblings and so on...
dude what orphan ? after his mothers death aegon throw everyone out and only kept up with him. He was so much there fro his him that he even absolutely neglected and choose to never be a father to his other son just so aneys dosent feel alone. he had all the love wealth power protection and lcaring people aroung him.
Jon Snow isn't really a bastard, though.
You're funny.
So the targeryns werent actually targeryns
I always pronounced his name as Anus for this reason
Jon snow was not a bastard......
Aenys the idiot 😂😂 love it
An us Targaryen
Doubt Jon is a Targaryen bastard he’s trueborn
Jon Snow isn’t a targ bastard
New headcanon inspired by this vid - Targs love inbreeding so much because very few of them had the attention span or the fortitude for marriage negotiations with other noble houses.
Aenys here would have been too afraid to alienate the houses his kids *didn’t* marry into (so he alienated them all I guess, classic Aenys), and the rest were too busy barbecuing rivals, reminiscing over their grudges, or engaging in nutty Targ hobbies to be distracted by arranging political bethrothals etc for their kids.
How was jon a bastard when his parents were married???
In the show that’s true. But the show isn’t canon. It might be true in the books as well, but we’ll have to wait and see.
@@CrusaderChris Yes i agree but if we get the books
Jon isn’t a bastard though, right? I mean, Rhaegar’s marriage to Elia was dissolved then he married Lyanna…
In the show that’s true. But the show isn’t canon. It might be true in the books as well, but we’ll have to wait and see.
It wasn't dissolved the king has to do that which never happened, raegars marriage with lyanna is still illigetament therfore Jon is still a basterd.
That's in the show's canon. Very different than the books. Please read the books
The show thatcwould not make sense. You think Dorne would take the insult and allow Elia's son and daughters to be bastards? Tge showrunners are idiots. Much of Rhaegars troops were southlanders. You think Dorne would fight for the Targeryans if Elia was divorced?