I’ll always say that Sega should have NEVET left the hardware market- the Dreamcast would have been fine if they weren’t trying to compete with the PS2. Look at Nintendo- the n64, wii, and switch purposely didn’t compete with anyone, they just played their niche and they’re doing just fine
@@larsonabilla5066 The problems only ended with the Dreamcast. The Saturn really put Sega in a position where overwhelming success with the DC was the only option to keep them afloat. Unfortunately rampant piracy prevented that from being possible.
@@wat5058: " 'Rollback netcode'? I AM the netcode! And I already told your system I won. It's just too slow to process that yet. And you're even slower."
If anything the creators probably squeezed this project in between doing other projects and learning how to do 3d modeling. They likely don't even remember working on this Reminder: the capcom of this time is busy scrambling away from arcades and moving towards console games. And as great as the game ended up as. At the time, this was looked at as cheap asset dump with butt ugly graphics, and jank unfitting music. This is the MVC infinite of the time. Time and nostalgia and good gameplay helped. But that's all it is. Nostalgia and childhood memories
@@janematthews9087I once believed this too, but it's false. There are interviews about mvc2 development, Max even read on stream recently, and it's clear from them that a lot of care and thought went into the game, especially gameplay wise. In the developers words, they were 100% satisfied with the final product
I wish Max didn't discourage the idea of improving. Its not as hard as you might think. Max said he can't fast fly and I know I could, so if thats the case why shouldn't you be able to? In fact Max should be able to as well, but he probably just didn't push himself because he was likewise discouraged. Don't think you can't do it too. Trust me you can.
@@thephilosopher7173 Yeah but is it fun when a game with a huge roster is reduced to a handful because of cheese tactics. My Strider, Hayato , Gin team can't really compete. I get there's a history here, but I do wish a new more balanced ratio mode was introduced alongside to give cool but "weak" characters a chance.
@@andrew_stamps magneto sentinel and storm are anything but cheese tactics. Mvc2 is one of the only games where playing the top tiers affectively is harder than playing everyone else.
I'm 41 and I think this game is like 2 games in 1. What this is here is entertaining to watch due to how crazy it is even if most of us will ever be at this level, then there's the fun of 'low' tiers that is more balanced and accessible for everyone. Something for everyone
I love playing MvC2 but I don't watch high level play because of the touch of death-esque combos being so rampant and like 90% of the cast being in invalidated in tournaments, but to each their own, the game is timeless.
@@shaolinotter I just don't enjoy it. I can do it also but it just feels everyone is just fishing for that hit confirm into a ToD. I wish I can go be a scrub again and playing with newbs and thinking a good play a a few hits into a super.
Last playable release for this game prior to this point was 2009. In the PS3/Xbox360 days. With the gold standard being the Dreamcast version that came out in 2000. This game is new to a whole generation of players, and the OGs both, known and unknown, have stories to tell about this legendary title. Capcom Peaked with this one, Marvel 3 was cool and all, but this was the True Ultimate. If you could hang in this, you could do anything in fighting games.
I just bought these games yesterday and they quickly became my favorite fighting games. I don't really know why yet lol I get my ass beat and im going against the comp but its just a blast. MvC2 has the coolest menu screen I've ever seen.
same bro i am in love with this set of games even though getting a combo off is so damn hard in comparison to something like FighterZ where you can down medium, stand medium, jump, medium medium assist medium, down heavy, dash, then do a super attack and like half the bar is gone nahh this shit is HARD hahah
I love watching high level MvC2 as much as anyone, but I do think it's funny how Max will talk about MvC2 or 3rd Strike or whatever old game as if they're unique in their skill ceiling. If you grinded any game for 20 years like these guys have, you'd be just as unbeatable. The main real difference with MvC2 is that skill is more visually apparent - tri-dashing around with Magneto looks sick. But if you grinded any game for 20 years like these guys have, you'd be just as unbeatable. Like, imagine someone practicing perfect parry in SF6 for 20 years. You wouldn't be able to touch them!
While i love MvC2 as every other dood here, i would honestly love it even more of Max actually plays the other games too the collection offers online from time to time.
I love watching high level marvel 2. I may never be able to understand or play the game at a level even close to this level but I will always respect the people who can. This game is hard and it's a game that has been highly optimized, at least for the top tiers. Hopefully the rerelease will lead to it being more prominent at tournaments and stuff so we can see even more high level play.
I'm about to journey into this game for the first time in 13 years, and I was never very good to begin with. All kinds of bad, disrespectful memories coming back. Just because my low tier teams didn't have an answer for Magneto's literally broken air dash speed...
@@kayday323 I said his dash speed is broken. Max himself said it's so fast it breaks the netcode, and if you get so much as poked even once by a player who knows what they're doing, you're dead.
Go into it man. I played some ranked and at the beginning it isn't just top tier teams. I ran into a mix of new players and people using different characters. It was fun.
Remember. “Mega man beats magneto”-mike ross the week of marvel with max collab. Jump heavy and the ball move and its good against magneto at least as of like 10 years ago maybe.
I love learning mvc2, even though I’m a scrub. I tried playing Thanos, Shuma, and Iron man, had terrible synergy. Switched to cyclops cable iron man, now I spam beams. Either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become a villain…
Claim your "i watched the original before it got taken down" card here Context: original vid had 2:40 looped. Video from 0:00 to 2:40 was looped then the rest of the video played out
@@JsttomM Max uploaded this exact video and it was live for 30 minutes because it was taken down. if you watched the ORIGINAL video, you would notice that 2 min into the original vide, it would replayed the opening theme and played the video from the beginning which meant anyone who watched the original version ( like myself) saw the first 2 minutes of the video twice. the video actually was taken down while i was watching the video which freaked me out at first but i realized it was because of the loop.
@@shaolinotter No, the _same_ people have been playing it for 24 years. And that's all that'll be playing it next year, when Evo comes around and skips this game again just like it has for the last 14.
max mentiong the mass systems brand really took me back to 2k6 on SRK. Mad folks helped me decide my arcade stick back then. So many stories that went with that too, met some really cool fgc pplz in CTFair. im 33 now tho hope we all make it to mvc4. Max, always appreciate your content. Thanks g 💪🏾s/o to Philip Kao from srk as well, hope you doin well out there whereva u at.
I wonder if modders will be able to put together a ratio mode for the PC port. I bow down to the power of this high level play, but it's more fun to me to see more of the roster. That said, I'm low level enough where people are still just playing teams of characters they like so it only affects me to a certain degree
It kinda makes me sad as someone that likes Capcom but only really knows MCU up to Endgame. I was thinking about getting the collection to try MvC2, but realized that I can’t both play characters I think are cool and try to do the high level stuff I see. They’re mutually exclusive. I could try to juggle both and then just view the high tier characters as functions but at that point it seems more like a hassle. Even just watching high level play is kinda sad cause of that. At least I get to see the Capcom guys when Max plays though.
its funny too in the latest magneto arc in the comics, he literally got resurrected by storm and together they did a ultimate combo that blasted the shadow king (a cosmic level being) so mvc2 is kinda lore accurate
@@CyberBinary You know there are multiple X-Men movies, plenty of animated stuff and close to infinity comics you can enjoy to get acquainted with the characters, right? MCU is not going to do them justice anyways.
@@LordBaktor I'm not even an MCU fan, it's just something I've interacted with because it's been enthroned as a part of the relevant pop culture of my time. I understand that there's a lot of X-Men media out there. It's not that just I'm unacquainted with them, it's also that I'm uninterested in the X-Men. Everything I currently know about it doesn't sound like it's for me. I'm fine with that. My problem is that there's a lot in MvC2 that I am interested in, especially on the Capcom side, and it's sad that stuff isn't used as often because it's such an uphill battle against the X-Men. From what I've seen of MvC2, you really have to "pick a top-tier" if you want to explore the depth of what the game provides. If someone isn't particularly interested in those characters, MvC2 kinda gives this sense of "why bother?" I have fond memories of playing the iPad version of MvC2 and playing to unlock characters and stuff. There was something to do there other than getting trounced online because you had the gall to want to play someone like Chun-Li. There's a slim chance I may get the collection on sale to play casually with friends, but it's hard for me to want to play online or watch high level play.
I’m that guy who was the King of Fighters among his friends but painfully average to the rest of the world. I’m a little nervous to try Marvel 2 online especially after such an extended time away ever since my Dreamcast died.
If it's any consolation 99.99% of players are nowhere near this level. I don't know the meta and play whoever and I'm still having a great time online. I'll never be these guys and that's okay, because most people playing are in the same boat
@@sjue316Nah, don't give infinite credit like that. There's that whole famous disastrous interview where they say "Nova is basically magneto so the function is there" The characters that are broken were always gonna change.
Me remembering my team up of Venom, Cable and Blackheart: Oh yeah I played that wack team Also Me remembering the reason I picked them being that their Hyper Team Combo basically leaves no room to evade or maneuver: OH YEAH I DID THAT A LOT
The fact there's "infinite potential" in the game isn't necessarily a fault, but the fact 90% of the cast doesn't have that "infinite potential" is what makes the game boring to me. It is cool you can do all that with MSP or MSS or Cable Sent Mags, but man would it have been a more interesting game if at least 50% of the roster also had that potential instead of just being a collection of jacked up hitboxes and functioning like a 3-limbed dog chained to a cinder block compared to the "god" characters.
I challenge your opinion (which you are entitled to)… you like the ‘concept’ of a balanced game. Not the game itself. Players like yourself are fundamentally casual, you drop games the minute you have to grind. MvC2 is ALL grinding. It comes down to the FGC that celebrates skill- the community respects the hours someone spent grinding. You have spent ZERO hours grinding, nor do you respect the grind. Therefore, your option gets ZERO respect. Especially when you would rather change the game (rebalance) or insult it, rather than invest in it.
@@larsonabilla5066 I never said the game needs to be perfectly balanced, and to say a Tekken/KI player doesn't grind or deal with BS is laughable. What I would have liked is for every character to have some stupid BS that works even if it isn't as good as the best characters (Tekken 5 DR or KI or UNI or Karnov's Revenge) rather than being a collection of dysfunctional tools that don't fit well or really work at all, and then about 12 characters that actually fit into the system and get to play the game (MvC2). Assuming that someone doesn't grind any game just because they don't want to grind MvC2 or would like more characters on MvC2 to have been more well designed is a little silly. I was there for Leroy and kept playing Gigas. I was around in Tekken 4 when Steve was doing wall push shenanigans. I STILL put up with Karnov teleport glitch. I just like that in Tekken 4, Lei still stands a decent chance against Steve because at the end of the day, though he's much weaker, he's still playing Tekken. In MvC2, you pick Gief, Kobun, B.B. Hood, sure you can meme on people who don't know what they're doing, but if you want to take the game seriously at all, those characters just aren't even playing MvC2 while Cable, Cyclops, Sentinel, for example, are playing MvC2 for real. Just not interested in that. If I was as casual as you say, I would have dropped Karnov's the first time Zazie did a guaranteed stun into death or dropped KI the first time Aria corner traps happened. I'd rather just grind the games that are interesting to me, and MvC2 isn't that game.
@@WuTheBat Question, why does the what you think is interesting matter at all? I think tekken 4 was trash, tekken 5 is mid, and KI isn’t worth my time. However, NO game in history has people competitively playing it for over 20 years. If you think it’s boring, Buddy, that’s your loss- because MvC2 fans literally willed this port into existence- and I applaud their effort. I got many memories of this game in the arcade, and I can personally say- this is easily one of the greatest games of all time
@@larsonabilla5066 Melee still has a competitive scene, people are still playing Super Turbo, Sailor Moon, Karnov's, Rage of the Dragons, etc. Some of those games are even older than MvC2. Does that suddenly make them matter more? I also think T4 is terrible, T5 is overrated among the Tekken scene in my opinion, and KI is by no means a perfect game. I brought them up because you claimed that because I don't like playing MvC2, I drop any game when it isn't balanced, when that clearly cannot be the case if I was playing those games, all of which had some period of notorious imbalance or other issues that plagued them. In any case, I'm not sure why you're so offended by the idea that someone would have liked a more fleshed out design for all the roster members of MvC2. It isn't perfect, and there's definitely room for completing unfinished work. Does MvC2 suddenly become a worse game if, say for example, Captain Commando is more than just his assist call and instead he also has his actual playable tool kit not be beyond lackluster? I accepted a long time ago that it isn't the case, but that doesn't mean I'm not allowed to talk about it. I find the game boring, you don't. Not sure why that's such a big deal. The people that like it are still going to play it, I'm going to keep playing the games I like, simple as. But to make judgements someone having no perseverance just because they don't want to play the game you like is silly. It's nice that you think it's the greatest game of all time. For me, it's just a really cool roster on paper that ultimately disappoints me whenever I actually look under the hood at how the game actually functions. For those who love the game, cool. I personally find MSHvsSF to be the more compelling title in the collection, but I will probably just keep playing it on fightcade instead while I wait for other games.
My brain cant even comprehend whats going on with these matches. I can't even imagine how these dudes hands are moving to play this game. They must be just on auto pilot mode.
in terms of the execution, yea they are on auto pilot. They are instead just reacting to what is happening on the screen and letting their hands do the rest
If you want to kearn mire about the top players of mvc2 of the original era(early 2000's Khaos has his podcast where he talks with OG era players as well as the later era players(09ers i think they're called😅). YIPES, a titan of the OG era, also was doing podcast interviews of top OG players such as the KING of mvc2 u newbies onow as JWonggg aka Wazzler😂. Both great post cast, with great inside stories of their times!!! Glad Max is showing love not only to mvc2 but also the hardcore guys that kept the community going all these years!!! Please continue to do so!!
i think your comparison to Melee is accurate. I dont think the meta of that game is as limited compared to this (theres like 8 to 9 characters with impresive results) but the honing of all the aspects of one character is definitely there.
As much as I have a personal distaste for Melee (the community is awful and the gravity feels outright gross) I must admit it has a good amount of viable characters compared to say... The two games after it which one could reasonably argue only have one viable character each
To any new players playing the game don't get discouraged. Literally everybody in your position was getting rolled like this with every match if you're playing a competent top-tier player. At its highest level it's a beautiful thing to watch two pros prove themselves and the ultimate expression of what players can do within this game, but it's not always attainable if you don't have godlike execution skills. For the rest of us mere humans, low-tier MVC2 is where the true beauty, depth and tons of still-undiscovered tech comes out, just as long as you understand that if you want to play SERIOUS competition and tournaments you're not going to be playing 99% of those characters. If you're trying to become a Mahvel God like JWong or Khaos you have a LONG and incredibly difficult road ahead of you, but it's not impossible if you dedicate, just be realistic and remember it's supposed to be fun
Im attached to melee for the rest if my life and i love it as a spectator at the ultimate level, (NOT JIGGLY OR PEACH) to each their own and fighting games deserve to be their own sport
9:16 and 12:15 no offense but you can tell what generation an fgc memeber came from with this question. There is no problem here this is just dedication. Custom inputs? Not on mvc2 as far as i know. switching the buttons around is as extensive as my knowledge is. My older brother was a arcade fanatic during its golden era used to tell me crazy stories about them playing mvc2 with six people they'd switch out when they tagged in their teammates' character. My brother god rest his soul was also an artist. He told me one thing in reference to becoming a better artist. Seeing this video makes me think its applicable across the board though. He said,"it takes a hundred hours to get decent at drawing, a thousand hours to get good, and it takes a million to become a master."
Everything you said does indeed apply to Melee. Both in terms of the game being limitless as a whole, then individual characters who have an infinite ceiling, and finally the meta still evolving with brand new tech 20 years after release.
11:11 that is what made melee so interesting especially as a kid watching the documentary and at the time it was a 12 year old game and it still felt absurd. Now in 2024 I scrolled twitter and literally saw new tech and new optimization for a situation this morning.
I think new gen fgc just doesn’t get it with the old school games. Yeah magneto is total bullshit, but he’s also art. There were no balance patches (unless a new version is made, which mvc2 didn’t get), there was just the game- that people fell in love with and took to its absolute limits. Which happens to have seemingly unlimited tech. That’s the beauty about games like Mvc2 and SSBM. They’re total bullshit to get into because the top tiers and best players who have 20+ years of experience will literally prevent you from playing the game, but the game itself played at a top level is like art. It’s unreal. Some of the greatest human performance in a video game ever come from some of these old fighting games.
He’s kind of right about how things like Marvel vs Capcom 2 can have no real ceiling for that top tier meta. And having teams and assists really helps in this regard. Melee has it in 1v1, the later ones like Ultimate is too early to tell. As of right now, it has more than a decade of meta still to be discovered, particularly if doing stuff like 2v2. The mixups and team coverage options are pretty much unlimited. But what complicates the meta is that Stages matter there. It’s better to pick one battlefield stage and spend the long time of meta just on that. But again a lot of people don’t pursue it too far because when it comes down to it, trying to master on that level for even just all the current legal competitive stages is a bit too daunting for most. There is something in the fact that stages don’t matter in stuff like MVC2 that has the meta more approachable. Just don’t expect to beat 20 years experienced pros without putting in the time.
Beautiful to watch, pain to play. Every time I figure out that my childhood favorite game is massive broken for 10 COA chars makes me feel stupid that someday I could won a championship playing with Ruby Heart, Ryu and Black heart. The god tiers ruined my dream so bad
Old Folks Home Marvel players "Hey sonny... you wanna learn an infinite?" "No sir, I'm here to give you a spongebath and your medicine." "LIGHT PUNCH. MEDIUM PUNCH. LIGHT KICK."
I've been mulling over playing a fighting game for maybe 6 years now but just could never take the plunge. It was anxiety mixed with my existing comfort games preventing me ultimately. However, I finally just jumped in with this collection and played MvC2. I don't know what I'm doing but it's been a blast learning and getting better inch by inch. Watching insanely high level stuff like this actually makes me feel better, because no matter how good I get, I know for a fact I'll never be this good lol, and somehow that works as a sort of comfort to not stress about my skill level. Just today I forced myself to learn to counter jump-ins and it felt really good seeing my opponent changing up what they were doing because it didn't work anymore.
Ironically thats the attitude that'll get you to improve even more than you think. Max discourages the idea that players can get to this level, but the truth is you definitely can. Get your execution down first, and then just get familiar with situations. Max is projecting a little bit and I know this for a fact because I used to play high level competition and the only reason I didn't get farther was because at the time I only played in arcades while everyone else had it at home.
Growing up in the 90s in NYC I used to go to china town fair arcade and would see the best players play for money sometimes going as far as 100$ a match. There was even formats where characters like magneto and storm were banned from play. I got to see top tier players duke it out for money shit was amazing. Also I have seen dr. Doom wreck teams he has an infinite ad well so wait until the right player gets a hold of him and watch him go to town like magneto as well.
Always, in every fighting game, there are broken characters. Here is no exception, but clearly, it's not just "Oh, look, he uses a broken character and that's why he always wins", no, it shows that there is also gigantic experience in all this, as you say Maximilian.
If they could figure out how to get that much sauce in 80% of the roster at the same time it would be such a magical game. Maybe not worth wishing for haha
Watched this set a few days ago. I could swear it was 1.5x speed. Had to watch Neo and other stuff to check if it wasn't. This was one of the fastest mvc2 has been played hands down.
I personally don't like the idea of having characters solely for their assist like I'm not expecting to even have to fight with them. I want to be sure they can pick up the slack if things turn sour. Then again, I'm not very good anyway.
That’s why I’m petitioning Capcom and marvel to make tournaments where you have choose characters from a box. Everybody chooses the same characters and that makes it boring. So having random character selection through it will make it more interesting. And prevent people from choosing the same characters constantly.
@@ldreyes Personally I think the problem is that after yet another re-release of this classic... we never got an optional rebalance mode.. I would have liked to see what buffs capcom would have given the mid and low tiers. I know it's supposedly wrong to want anything to change in this game but making it optional would have been safe and they coulda breathed way more life back into this game. Folks would be discovering all sorts of new tech for characters that may never make it to another MvC title.
@@edwardknox9269 Problem is stuff like that would only be relevant for... one month, two months if it's lucky. Have ya seen how long Ultra Street Fighter 2 lasted? Actually that's little unfair since that game was plagued with delay based netcode, broken boss characters being legal in ranked, and no edition select. The point is it was new version of SF2 that we haven't seen in years but no one cared enough to dig into it. Hell, we don't really know the full changes, the most we do know are weirdly targeted nerfs to E. Honda and T. Hawk. In truth, retro players will only stick to what they're 99% familiar with rather than moving onto whatever is the newest version. That's why some people were upset that X-Men vs SF was version 4 instead of 2 because that's what they were used to playing for years.
1:42 In a sense, yes Melee is kinda like this, especially given as of recent, mid tiers have been on the rise, hell solo DK even got to top 3 at a supermajor a month ago.
I feel like Melee and Marvel 2 are spiritually very similar games. - Old crossover fighting game - Super Jank - A handful of top tiers run the game - Fast-paced, difficult gameplay - Boundless skill expression
I would say Melee is more balanced though, proportionally. About half the cast can be argued to be "viable", and previously low tier characters like Yoshi and Donkey Kong are getting results that put their tier placement into question. The gulf between the top tiers and mid tiers isn't near as vast as Marvel 2, where in a 56 character roster not even a quarter of the characters are viable, and the top tiers are basically playing a completely different game from even the "high" tier characters. Not to say Marvel 2 is bad or that Melee is even better than it, far from it. Melee is the only Smash I like, but I personally prefer traditional fighters these days. I just think the character viability ratio is far more lopsided in Marvel 2 than in Melee.
It's not a problem but it does make the game stale to watch seeing the same 6 or so characters. FGC will criticize games with a small roster but a game with a roster this size only to see MSP and the like just get chosen boggles me. I love the ratio scene a lot now.
So, if i want to play as Spider-man or something, I’m SOL because they aren’t Magneto, Storm or Sentinel? What I see is the same 5 characters, the same gameplay, over and over. 50+ characters and only 5 are ever played.
You can play anyone you want. Players usually won't pick the gods if they see you're using a B team. Also tier lists mean nothing when you're learning the game.
If you want to play Spiderman, play Spiderman. It'll be years before whatever the gods of the game are doing needs to concern you if you are new at it.
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Dreamcast doesn't get enough credit for being so damn durable
And u havent mentioend the improvement they made with custom mixes and rematch
@@kyokusanagi7874 bruh when color palettes and music swaps hit on the dreamcast scene
Glad i still have the game and dreamcast❤️🙏🏽💪🏾...Magneto dashs are godlike
I’ll always say that Sega should have NEVET left the hardware market- the Dreamcast would have been fine if they weren’t trying to compete with the PS2. Look at Nintendo- the n64, wii, and switch purposely didn’t compete with anyone, they just played their niche and they’re doing just fine
@@larsonabilla5066 The problems only ended with the Dreamcast. The Saturn really put Sega in a position where overwhelming success with the DC was the only option to keep them afloat. Unfortunately rampant piracy prevented that from being possible.
Magneto's so fucking fast, he breaks Max's videos
shockingly the netcodes for the collection isnt catching up with magnetos playability
Yep, what TSM said; he moves so quickly that rollback literally can't keep up.
@@wat5058: " 'Rollback netcode'? I AM the netcode! And I already told your system I won. It's just too slow to process that yet. And you're even slower."
I wonder if the creators of the game could envision players becoming this skilled in the game
They 100% did not. The game on screen is entirely different than what the creators at Capcom were playing in development.
If anything the creators probably squeezed this project in between doing other projects and learning how to do 3d modeling. They likely don't even remember working on this
Reminder: the capcom of this time is busy scrambling away from arcades and moving towards console games.
And as great as the game ended up as. At the time, this was looked at as cheap asset dump with butt ugly graphics, and jank unfitting music.
This is the MVC infinite of the time.
Time and nostalgia and good gameplay helped. But that's all it is. Nostalgia and childhood memories
@@janematthews9087I once believed this too, but it's false.
There are interviews about mvc2 development, Max even read on stream recently, and it's clear from them that a lot of care and thought went into the game, especially gameplay wise.
In the developers words, they were 100% satisfied with the final product
not a chance. same thing with smash bros. melee, where the skill ceiling is still growing and donkey kong is randomly becoming relevant after 20 years
@@shaolinotterso true and man I been playing melee for years since I was kid never would’ve thought it would stay relevant
It got taken down while I was watching😭
Really that's bullshit I remember the montage music
It was taken down while watching I wonder why?
What was taken down?
@@xGOFORBROKEx this vid was up earlier I was eating while watching it crashed and I couldn’t find it anymore
Likely to fix editing errors. The opening title replayed about 2.5 minutes into the video
This is simultaneously the shit i love watching but also the stuff that always kept me from playing competitive with any seriousness
I wish Max didn't discourage the idea of improving. Its not as hard as you might think. Max said he can't fast fly and I know I could, so if thats the case why shouldn't you be able to? In fact Max should be able to as well, but he probably just didn't push himself because he was likewise discouraged. Don't think you can't do it too. Trust me you can.
@@thephilosopher7173don’t ever compare that’s a mind killer the only opponent you have is yourself
This's a game for those 1000 players Max mentioned and absolutely no one else
@@thephilosopher7173 Yeah but is it fun when a game with a huge roster is reduced to a handful because of cheese tactics. My Strider, Hayato , Gin team can't really compete.
I get there's a history here, but I do wish a new more balanced ratio mode was introduced alongside to give cool but "weak" characters a chance.
@@andrew_stamps magneto sentinel and storm are anything but cheese tactics. Mvc2 is one of the only games where playing the top tiers affectively is harder than playing everyone else.
Being 43 and growing up on this game, I get everything your saying Max! 20 years of just greatness and no skill ceiling is AMAZING to watch 😮
I'm 41 and I think this game is like 2 games in 1. What this is here is entertaining to watch due to how crazy it is even if most of us will ever be at this level, then there's the fun of 'low' tiers that is more balanced and accessible for everyone. Something for everyone
@@CLEEN50I’m 28 and say you have a skill issue. Us young guns love that shit
I love playing MvC2 but I don't watch high level play because of the touch of death-esque combos being so rampant and like 90% of the cast being in invalidated in tournaments, but to each their own, the game is timeless.
this is esports in a legitimate sense. the ceiling is beyond human possibility, and the better player wins without mercy
Imo infinite combos or ToDs ruins the game for me.
@@dantevic and I assume getting dunked on by lebron would ruin the game for you too. do you want a sport or not?
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Iz mahvel baby
@@shaolinotter I just don't enjoy it. I can do it also but it just feels everyone is just fishing for that hit confirm into a ToD. I wish I can go be a scrub again and playing with newbs and thinking a good play a a few hits into a super.
@@dantevic Okay. Weird that you're here on this video commenting that but good for you I guess. lol
"man, I can't wait to see 'ultra instinct' MVC2! that sounds like they'd have some insane neutral!"
"oh yeah, wait, I forgot what game this is..."
"Neutral" in MVC :D
until 2027 this channel is now EXCLUSIVLEY MVC2
Until Generation Beta is born!!
I think Terry is going to change that.
Last playable release for this game prior to this point was 2009. In the PS3/Xbox360 days. With the gold standard being the Dreamcast version that came out in 2000. This game is new to a whole generation of players, and the OGs both, known and unknown, have stories to tell about this legendary title. Capcom Peaked with this one, Marvel 3 was cool and all, but this was the True Ultimate. If you could hang in this, you could do anything in fighting games.
I just bought these games yesterday and they quickly became my favorite fighting games. I don't really know why yet lol I get my ass beat and im going against the comp but its just a blast. MvC2 has the coolest menu screen I've ever seen.
welcome to the real world
@@marcelo55869 lol thanks
Beat music too
same bro i am in love with this set of games even though getting a combo off is so damn hard in comparison to something like FighterZ where you can down medium, stand medium, jump, medium medium assist medium, down heavy, dash, then do a super attack and like half the bar is gone nahh this shit is HARD hahah
Remake this game in Guilty Gear Strive graphics with all the good animation. Special cut scenes will make it epic.
I love watching high level MvC2 as much as anyone, but I do think it's funny how Max will talk about MvC2 or 3rd Strike or whatever old game as if they're unique in their skill ceiling. If you grinded any game for 20 years like these guys have, you'd be just as unbeatable. The main real difference with MvC2 is that skill is more visually apparent - tri-dashing around with Magneto looks sick. But if you grinded any game for 20 years like these guys have, you'd be just as unbeatable.
Like, imagine someone practicing perfect parry in SF6 for 20 years. You wouldn't be able to touch them!
12:15 this question had me ROLLIN'! I love how Max lowered his voice to answer.
While i love MvC2 as every other dood here, i would honestly love it even more of Max actually plays the other games too the collection offers online from time to time.
Give it time, we gotta gorge ourselves with MvC2 first. 😅
"There is no problem here, This is Marvel vs Capcom 2". Mahvel Baby!
You can't go wrong with a Sentinel assist. Literally a walking tank.
@@michaeldeadwyler4034 Nah fuck Sentinel. "I'm from New York and I still hate the New York Knicks!"
Which sounds utterly brainwashed.
I love watching high level marvel 2. I may never be able to understand or play the game at a level even close to this level but I will always respect the people who can. This game is hard and it's a game that has been highly optimized, at least for the top tiers. Hopefully the rerelease will lead to it being more prominent at tournaments and stuff so we can see even more high level play.
I'm about to journey into this game for the first time in 13 years, and I was never very good to begin with. All kinds of bad, disrespectful memories coming back. Just because my low tier teams didn't have an answer for Magneto's literally broken air dash speed...
he is not broken
He is@@kayday323
@@kayday323 he is
@@kayday323 I said his dash speed is broken. Max himself said it's so fast it breaks the netcode, and if you get so much as poked even once by a player who knows what they're doing, you're dead.
Go into it man. I played some ranked and at the beginning it isn't just top tier teams. I ran into a mix of new players and people using different characters. It was fun.
Ultra instinct theme kicks in 🤍
5:23 Reaffirming why Cyclops is my favorite
😂
Remember. “Mega man beats magneto”-mike ross the week of marvel with max collab. Jump heavy and the ball move and its good against magneto at least as of like 10 years ago maybe.
It still is.
I love learning mvc2, even though I’m a scrub. I tried playing Thanos, Shuma, and Iron man, had terrible synergy. Switched to cyclops cable iron man, now I spam beams. Either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become a villain…
Claim your "i watched the original before it got taken down" card here
Context: original vid had 2:40 looped. Video from 0:00 to 2:40 was looped then the rest of the video played out
huh?
@@JsttomMwhat country you from?
@@JsttomMwhat country you from?
@@JsttomM Max uploaded this exact video and it was live for 30 minutes because it was taken down. if you watched the ORIGINAL video, you would notice that 2 min into the original vide, it would replayed the opening theme and played the video from the beginning which meant anyone who watched the original version ( like myself) saw the first 2 minutes of the video twice. the video actually was taken down while i was watching the video which freaked me out at first but i realized it was because of the loop.
lmao why care
If there is one take away from this video.
Its that Cyclops gets people off
Can't wait for next year, cause you know MvC2 is happening at EVO next year
return of the king
Not a chance. This game will be 99% dead in a month
@@randomjerk-e7x yeah man people have been playing it for 24 years but this is the year it ends
@@shaolinotter No, the _same_ people have been playing it for 24 years. And that's all that'll be playing it next year, when Evo comes around and skips this game again just like it has for the last 14.
@@randomjerk-e7x okay? but compare that to strive or dbfz where people are relieved to stop playing it as soon as the DLC stops
max mentiong the mass systems brand really took me back to 2k6 on SRK. Mad folks helped me decide my arcade stick back then. So many stories that went with that too, met some really cool fgc pplz in CTFair. im 33 now tho hope we all make it to mvc4. Max, always appreciate your content. Thanks g 💪🏾s/o to Philip Kao from srk as well, hope you doin well out there whereva u at.
Man you took me back 😮
Good looking out, Max!! I appreciate the showcase!!
I wonder if modders will be able to put together a ratio mode for the PC port. I bow down to the power of this high level play, but it's more fun to me to see more of the roster. That said, I'm low level enough where people are still just playing teams of characters they like so it only affects me to a certain degree
The devs took the fact that Magneto is a pretty strong mutant in the comics and really rolled with it
I legit forgot the secret sauce to winning in MVC2 is spamming assists. Thanks Max.
The fact that the God tiers of MvC2 are virtually all X-Men is funny to me as a casual X-Men fan
It kinda makes me sad as someone that likes Capcom but only really knows MCU up to Endgame. I was thinking about getting the collection to try MvC2, but realized that I can’t both play characters I think are cool and try to do the high level stuff I see. They’re mutually exclusive. I could try to juggle both and then just view the high tier characters as functions but at that point it seems more like a hassle. Even just watching high level play is kinda sad cause of that. At least I get to see the Capcom guys when Max plays though.
its funny too in the latest magneto arc in the comics, he literally got resurrected by storm and together they did a ultimate combo that blasted the shadow king (a cosmic level being)
so mvc2 is kinda lore accurate
@@CyberBinary You know there are multiple X-Men movies, plenty of animated stuff and close to infinity comics you can enjoy to get acquainted with the characters, right? MCU is not going to do them justice anyways.
@@LordBaktor I'm not even an MCU fan, it's just something I've interacted with because it's been enthroned as a part of the relevant pop culture of my time. I understand that there's a lot of X-Men media out there. It's not that just I'm unacquainted with them, it's also that I'm uninterested in the X-Men. Everything I currently know about it doesn't sound like it's for me. I'm fine with that. My problem is that there's a lot in MvC2 that I am interested in, especially on the Capcom side, and it's sad that stuff isn't used as often because it's such an uphill battle against the X-Men. From what I've seen of MvC2, you really have to "pick a top-tier" if you want to explore the depth of what the game provides. If someone isn't particularly interested in those characters, MvC2 kinda gives this sense of "why bother?" I have fond memories of playing the iPad version of MvC2 and playing to unlock characters and stuff. There was something to do there other than getting trounced online because you had the gall to want to play someone like Chun-Li. There's a slim chance I may get the collection on sale to play casually with friends, but it's hard for me to want to play online or watch high level play.
There will never be a fighting era like the arcade era. I miss it so much. Mvc2, alpha, cvsnk2, sf3. My childhood was amazing with these games
How cool it would have been if Stan Lee narrated the Marvel vs Capcom franchise: “Are you ready, True Believers?”🎙️🤓👊🏾
the only appropriate use of AI
@@shaolinotter EXCELSIOR TRUE BELIEVER!😊😆👊🏾🤍💙🔥
Love your pfp💪🏾
@@rodsgaming Thank you bro.😊👊🏾
I’m that guy who was the King of Fighters among his friends but painfully average to the rest of the world. I’m a little nervous to try Marvel 2 online especially after such an extended time away ever since my Dreamcast died.
If it's any consolation 99.99% of players are nowhere near this level. I don't know the meta and play whoever and I'm still having a great time online. I'll never be these guys and that's okay, because most people playing are in the same boat
It has to be semi lonely at the top of MvC2, to be so good at the game there are only about 10-20 people who can even comprehend what you're doing
"There is no problem here, this is MVC2 " that's the quote right there
I just noticed that the MvC2 gods are all or almost all X-men characters....... Outside of cable they're all CotA
@@sjue316 I know cable is an x-men but he's not CotA. He's an MVC2 newcomer
@@sjue316Nah, don't give infinite credit like that.
There's that whole famous disastrous interview where they say "Nova is basically magneto so the function is there"
The characters that are broken were always gonna change.
@@sjue316 Sentinel was nerfed in UMVC3, people still missed his inclusion.
@1stCallipostle give combofiend some slack. Capcom couldn't exactly go around saying "We can't use x-men because of disney"
Me remembering my team up of Venom, Cable and Blackheart: Oh yeah I played that wack team
Also Me remembering the reason I picked them being that their Hyper Team Combo basically leaves no room to evade or maneuver: OH YEAH I DID THAT A LOT
11:20 Amazed Max be like: "SF2, KOF 98 and 3rd Strike don't exist".
The fact there's "infinite potential" in the game isn't necessarily a fault, but the fact 90% of the cast doesn't have that "infinite potential" is what makes the game boring to me. It is cool you can do all that with MSP or MSS or Cable Sent Mags, but man would it have been a more interesting game if at least 50% of the roster also had that potential instead of just being a collection of jacked up hitboxes and functioning like a 3-limbed dog chained to a cinder block compared to the "god" characters.
I challenge your opinion (which you are entitled to)… you like the ‘concept’ of a balanced game. Not the game itself. Players like yourself are fundamentally casual, you drop games the minute you have to grind. MvC2 is ALL grinding. It comes down to the FGC that celebrates skill- the community respects the hours someone spent grinding. You have spent ZERO hours grinding, nor do you respect the grind. Therefore, your option gets ZERO respect. Especially when you would rather change the game (rebalance) or insult it, rather than invest in it.
@@larsonabilla5066 I never said the game needs to be perfectly balanced, and to say a Tekken/KI player doesn't grind or deal with BS is laughable. What I would have liked is for every character to have some stupid BS that works even if it isn't as good as the best characters (Tekken 5 DR or KI or UNI or Karnov's Revenge) rather than being a collection of dysfunctional tools that don't fit well or really work at all, and then about 12 characters that actually fit into the system and get to play the game (MvC2). Assuming that someone doesn't grind any game just because they don't want to grind MvC2 or would like more characters on MvC2 to have been more well designed is a little silly. I was there for Leroy and kept playing Gigas. I was around in Tekken 4 when Steve was doing wall push shenanigans. I STILL put up with Karnov teleport glitch. I just like that in Tekken 4, Lei still stands a decent chance against Steve because at the end of the day, though he's much weaker, he's still playing Tekken. In MvC2, you pick Gief, Kobun, B.B. Hood, sure you can meme on people who don't know what they're doing, but if you want to take the game seriously at all, those characters just aren't even playing MvC2 while Cable, Cyclops, Sentinel, for example, are playing MvC2 for real. Just not interested in that. If I was as casual as you say, I would have dropped Karnov's the first time Zazie did a guaranteed stun into death or dropped KI the first time Aria corner traps happened. I'd rather just grind the games that are interesting to me, and MvC2 isn't that game.
@@WuTheBat Question, why does the what you think is interesting matter at all? I think tekken 4 was trash, tekken 5 is mid, and KI isn’t worth my time. However, NO game in history has people competitively playing it for over 20 years. If you think it’s boring, Buddy, that’s your loss- because MvC2 fans literally willed this port into existence- and I applaud their effort. I got many memories of this game in the arcade, and I can personally say- this is easily one of the greatest games of all time
@@larsonabilla5066 Melee still has a competitive scene, people are still playing Super Turbo, Sailor Moon, Karnov's, Rage of the Dragons, etc. Some of those games are even older than MvC2. Does that suddenly make them matter more? I also think T4 is terrible, T5 is overrated among the Tekken scene in my opinion, and KI is by no means a perfect game. I brought them up because you claimed that because I don't like playing MvC2, I drop any game when it isn't balanced, when that clearly cannot be the case if I was playing those games, all of which had some period of notorious imbalance or other issues that plagued them. In any case, I'm not sure why you're so offended by the idea that someone would have liked a more fleshed out design for all the roster members of MvC2. It isn't perfect, and there's definitely room for completing unfinished work. Does MvC2 suddenly become a worse game if, say for example, Captain Commando is more than just his assist call and instead he also has his actual playable tool kit not be beyond lackluster? I accepted a long time ago that it isn't the case, but that doesn't mean I'm not allowed to talk about it. I find the game boring, you don't. Not sure why that's such a big deal. The people that like it are still going to play it, I'm going to keep playing the games I like, simple as. But to make judgements someone having no perseverance just because they don't want to play the game you like is silly. It's nice that you think it's the greatest game of all time. For me, it's just a really cool roster on paper that ultimately disappoints me whenever I actually look under the hood at how the game actually functions. For those who love the game, cool. I personally find MSHvsSF to be the more compelling title in the collection, but I will probably just keep playing it on fightcade instead while I wait for other games.
Max has been pumping out MvC 2 videos like 🤣. You love to see it.
My brain cant even comprehend whats going on with these matches. I can't even imagine how these dudes hands are moving to play this game. They must be just on auto pilot mode.
24 years of marvel=)
in terms of the execution, yea they are on auto pilot. They are instead just reacting to what is happening on the screen and letting their hands do the rest
"Neurons that fire together, wire together." Decades of that in relation to playing this game gets you this matchup.
The darn suspense. Waiting for that November release date
If you want to kearn mire about the top players of mvc2 of the original era(early 2000's Khaos has his podcast where he talks with OG era players as well as the later era players(09ers i think they're called😅). YIPES, a titan of the OG era, also was doing podcast interviews of top OG players such as the KING of mvc2 u newbies onow as JWonggg aka Wazzler😂. Both great post cast, with great inside stories of their times!!! Glad Max is showing love not only to mvc2 but also the hardcore guys that kept the community going all these years!!! Please continue to do so!!
i think your comparison to Melee is accurate. I dont think the meta of that game is as limited compared to this (theres like 8 to 9 characters with impresive results) but the honing of all the aspects of one character is definitely there.
As much as I have a personal distaste for Melee (the community is awful and the gravity feels outright gross)
I must admit it has a good amount of viable characters compared to say... The two games after it which one could reasonably argue only have one viable character each
To any new players playing the game don't get discouraged. Literally everybody in your position was getting rolled like this with every match if you're playing a competent top-tier player. At its highest level it's a beautiful thing to watch two pros prove themselves and the ultimate expression of what players can do within this game, but it's not always attainable if you don't have godlike execution skills. For the rest of us mere humans, low-tier MVC2 is where the true beauty, depth and tons of still-undiscovered tech comes out, just as long as you understand that if you want to play SERIOUS competition and tournaments you're not going to be playing 99% of those characters. If you're trying to become a Mahvel God like JWong or Khaos you have a LONG and incredibly difficult road ahead of you, but it's not impossible if you dedicate, just be realistic and remember it's supposed to be fun
Can confirm, Melee is limitless.
"There is no problem here. This is Marvel vs Capcom 2" ❤
Im attached to melee for the rest if my life and i love it as a spectator at the ultimate level, (NOT JIGGLY OR PEACH) to each their own and fighting games deserve to be their own sport
5:22 reminds me of when Charlie's water broke.
9:16 and 12:15 no offense but you can tell what generation an fgc memeber came from with this question. There is no problem here this is just dedication. Custom inputs? Not on mvc2 as far as i know. switching the buttons around is as extensive as my knowledge is. My older brother was a arcade fanatic during its golden era used to tell me crazy stories about them playing mvc2 with six people they'd switch out when they tagged in their teammates' character. My brother god rest his soul was also an artist. He told me one thing in reference to becoming a better artist. Seeing this video makes me think its applicable across the board though. He said,"it takes a hundred hours to get decent at drawing, a thousand hours to get good, and it takes a million to become a master."
Everything you said does indeed apply to Melee.
Both in terms of the game being limitless as a whole, then individual characters who have an infinite ceiling, and finally the meta still evolving with brand new tech 20 years after release.
11:11 that is what made melee so interesting especially as a kid watching the documentary and at the time it was a 12 year old game and it still felt absurd. Now in 2024 I scrolled twitter and literally saw new tech and new optimization for a situation this morning.
I think new gen fgc just doesn’t get it with the old school games. Yeah magneto is total bullshit, but he’s also art. There were no balance patches (unless a new version is made, which mvc2 didn’t get), there was just the game- that people fell in love with and took to its absolute limits. Which happens to have seemingly unlimited tech. That’s the beauty about games like Mvc2 and SSBM. They’re total bullshit to get into because the top tiers and best players who have 20+ years of experience will literally prevent you from playing the game, but the game itself played at a top level is like art. It’s unreal. Some of the greatest human performance in a video game ever come from some of these old fighting games.
No art, just an unbalanced character in a time there were no patches. There no difference between mag and sf6 luke at launch.
@@calibrated692 lmao, no offense, but you’re clueless
@@calibrated692 I hope you are a bot cause a human being can't and shouldn't be this dumb.
@@McDoubleFunny insulting me isn’t disputing what I said.
@@sjue316 MVC2 has been bringing in new people for decades. As Max said before, it's a casual favorite.
Can't wait for a new generation to scream out "WTF?! IS MAGNETO BUGGED?!" in stark disbelief.
After Wong's rampage online I don't think there will be that many tbh lol
"STARK" disbelief kek
He’s kind of right about how things like Marvel vs Capcom 2 can have no real ceiling for that top tier meta. And having teams and assists really helps in this regard.
Melee has it in 1v1, the later ones like Ultimate is too early to tell. As of right now, it has more than a decade of meta still to be discovered, particularly if doing stuff like 2v2. The mixups and team coverage options are pretty much unlimited. But what complicates the meta is that Stages matter there.
It’s better to pick one battlefield stage and spend the long time of meta just on that. But again a lot of people don’t pursue it too far because when it comes down to it, trying to master on that level for even just all the current legal competitive stages is a bit too daunting for most.
There is something in the fact that stages don’t matter in stuff like MVC2 that has the meta more approachable. Just don’t expect to beat 20 years experienced pros without putting in the time.
Beautiful to watch, pain to play. Every time I figure out that my childhood favorite game is massive broken for 10 COA chars makes me feel stupid that someday I could won a championship playing with Ruby Heart, Ryu and Black heart. The god tiers ruined my dream so bad
Old Folks Home Marvel players
"Hey sonny... you wanna learn an infinite?"
"No sir, I'm here to give you a spongebath and your medicine."
"LIGHT PUNCH. MEDIUM PUNCH. LIGHT KICK."
Just seeing the words ultra instinct and mvc2 together is just wild 🤣😭🔫
And coming from max dood too lol 😂
What we call the spin out, is roughly around 46 hits-ish.
I've been mulling over playing a fighting game for maybe 6 years now but just could never take the plunge. It was anxiety mixed with my existing comfort games preventing me ultimately. However, I finally just jumped in with this collection and played MvC2. I don't know what I'm doing but it's been a blast learning and getting better inch by inch. Watching insanely high level stuff like this actually makes me feel better, because no matter how good I get, I know for a fact I'll never be this good lol, and somehow that works as a sort of comfort to not stress about my skill level. Just today I forced myself to learn to counter jump-ins and it felt really good seeing my opponent changing up what they were doing because it didn't work anymore.
Ironically thats the attitude that'll get you to improve even more than you think. Max discourages the idea that players can get to this level, but the truth is you definitely can. Get your execution down first, and then just get familiar with situations. Max is projecting a little bit and I know this for a fact because I used to play high level competition and the only reason I didn't get farther was because at the time I only played in arcades while everyone else had it at home.
Anytime I see someone win with Magneto, Storm, Sentinel I think "Yeah of course he won"
Growing up in the 90s in NYC I used to go to china town fair arcade and would see the best players play for money sometimes going as far as 100$ a match. There was even formats where characters like magneto and storm were banned from play. I got to see top tier players duke it out for money shit was amazing. Also I have seen dr. Doom wreck teams he has an infinite ad well so wait until the right player gets a hold of him and watch him go to town like magneto as well.
5:20 no wonder Cyclops let Wolverine have a piece of Jean. What a great leader to the X-Men
Always, in every fighting game, there are broken characters. Here is no exception, but clearly, it's not just "Oh, look, he uses a broken character and that's why he always wins", no, it shows that there is also gigantic experience in all this, as you say Maximilian.
8 mvc videos for the past 3 days and I'm loving it
I started playing on Fightcade and it was fun but now I see what 20yrs looked like😂 heck even 10yrs.
It's only a problem if you like having fun. A one-team meta is amazing for competition.
"Brand new things even 20 years later" is what we love about melee!
Finally. I was watching that when you took it down.
his chat not understanding how a game without endless balance changes works is both hilarious and tragic
If they could figure out how to get that much sauce in 80% of the roster at the same time it would be such a magical game. Maybe not worth wishing for haha
Watched this set a few days ago. I could swear it was 1.5x speed. Had to watch Neo and other stuff to check if it wasn't. This was one of the fastest mvc2 has been played hands down.
I personally don't like the idea of having characters solely for their assist like I'm not expecting to even have to fight with them. I want to be sure they can pick up the slack if things turn sour. Then again, I'm not very good anyway.
That’s why I’m petitioning Capcom and marvel to make tournaments where you have choose characters from a box. Everybody chooses the same characters and that makes it boring. So having random character selection through it will make it more interesting. And prevent people from choosing the same characters constantly.
"Do you see a problem?"
My immediate reaction was:
Yeah!
what's the problem?
@@ldreyes Personally I think the problem is that after yet another re-release of this classic... we never got an optional rebalance mode..
I would have liked to see what buffs capcom would have given the mid and low tiers.
I know it's supposedly wrong to want anything to change in this game but making it optional would have been safe and they coulda breathed way more life back into this game. Folks would be discovering all sorts of new tech for characters that may never make it to another MvC title.
A optional rework would be fucking amazing!!!!!!!
My immediate reaction was: No, I see a LOT of problems!
@@edwardknox9269 Problem is stuff like that would only be relevant for... one month, two months if it's lucky. Have ya seen how long Ultra Street Fighter 2 lasted? Actually that's little unfair since that game was plagued with delay based netcode, broken boss characters being legal in ranked, and no edition select. The point is it was new version of SF2 that we haven't seen in years but no one cared enough to dig into it. Hell, we don't really know the full changes, the most we do know are weirdly targeted nerfs to E. Honda and T. Hawk.
In truth, retro players will only stick to what they're 99% familiar with rather than moving onto whatever is the newest version. That's why some people were upset that X-Men vs SF was version 4 instead of 2 because that's what they were used to playing for years.
why was this taken down?
while title is
"This Is What ULTRA INSTINCT MVC2 Looks Like FIXED"
lol
Can't believe these guys have been playing for 20 years and still drop combos
I was like damn first to twenty? Thats a bit excessive and then every game lasted like 12 seconds.
Amazing coverage, thanks for making this video and shining some light on this masterpiece 🩵
Storms windup strikes fear in your soul
This game is crazy, just like elite melee. Well said.
1:42 In a sense, yes Melee is kinda like this, especially given as of recent, mid tiers have been on the rise, hell solo DK even got to top 3 at a supermajor a month ago.
Absolutely true of melee, good shout out
I feel like Melee and Marvel 2 are spiritually very similar games.
- Old crossover fighting game
- Super Jank
- A handful of top tiers run the game
- Fast-paced, difficult gameplay
- Boundless skill expression
I would say Melee is more balanced though, proportionally. About half the cast can be argued to be "viable", and previously low tier characters like Yoshi and Donkey Kong are getting results that put their tier placement into question. The gulf between the top tiers and mid tiers isn't near as vast as Marvel 2, where in a 56 character roster not even a quarter of the characters are viable, and the top tiers are basically playing a completely different game from even the "high" tier characters.
Not to say Marvel 2 is bad or that Melee is even better than it, far from it. Melee is the only Smash I like, but I personally prefer traditional fighters these days. I just think the character viability ratio is far more lopsided in Marvel 2 than in Melee.
I’m definitely not complaining that it’s impressive I just wish more characters had this potential and not limited to make 10% of the roster 😢
It's not a problem but it does make the game stale to watch seeing the same 6 or so characters. FGC will criticize games with a small roster but a game with a roster this size only to see MSP and the like just get chosen boggles me. I love the ratio scene a lot now.
It’s crazy those matches weren’t even close until the last one.
I noticed that at 14:33 Amir missed the hit follow up to infinite... If that happened looks like Amir gonna takes it...
My surprise seeing a roundhouse stream on Max's channel 😂
Oh man..
I saw INTINCT and thought this was KI vid😅😅
I wish🍻✨
And I wanted to buy this game for my birthday but after seeing this I'm not ready to put in the time I will just get Luigi's mansion 3 instead
❤🎶And I won't listen to your shame
You ran away, you're all the same🎶❤ - Oh Oiiiiiii
15:55 There has to be witness to something we all hold dear. Scribes tell tales, bards sing songs, youtubers give forum props. I love fighting games
So, if i want to play as Spider-man or something, I’m SOL because they aren’t Magneto, Storm or Sentinel? What I see is the same 5 characters, the same gameplay, over and over. 50+ characters and only 5 are ever played.
Yeah it would get hella stale
You can play anyone you want. Players usually won't pick the gods if they see you're using a B team.
Also tier lists mean nothing when you're learning the game.
If you want to play Spiderman, play Spiderman. It'll be years before whatever the gods of the game are doing needs to concern you if you are new at it.
this sort of thing is why I like the idea of character ratio for this game
Magneto is the character that ruins the game, back in the arcades I couldn't even block most of that bs, I can't imagine how broken that is online.
Holy cow. Now I wonder if I ever met this guy in the arcades, or he’s new blood.
Watching this now, I can completely understand why an 8 way air dash is so insane for mixup. Ain't no way I'd be able to block any of that.
As fast as these games are going, it makes me realize why capcom came up with X factor for the third game
7:05 it's the fear she instills when she flies backwards pointing at you. 😮😮😮😮