You Can Really See Who CARED THE MOST About Lenny’s DEATH In This Scene | Red Dead Redemption 2

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  • Noting who had more heart, with Javier and Dutch hesitating a little before moving across the roofs to look back at Lenny dying and Arthur being beside him and Micah and Bill just not even batting an eye
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  • @RedsDeadBaby
    @RedsDeadBaby  ปีที่แล้ว +193

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  • @nabbopro7908
    @nabbopro7908 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15458

    If only Athur said,"I reckon me and Micah will find a way across the roof"

    • @k.rt.s
      @k.rt.s 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1373

      💀💀💀 And then when he’s shot just run by his body

    • @bigboycreams4769
      @bigboycreams4769 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1044

      @@k.rt.s I feel like Arthur would still try and help him like he did Lenny (caring less though). That's what Arthur's like.

    • @ghostthaking7981
      @ghostthaking7981 2 ปีที่แล้ว +761

      I know people will give me crap for this but i think based on other missions with Micah he has good situational awareness and very fast reflexes so tbh i think he still woulda been fine the slippery bastard

    • @thepixelstash3078
      @thepixelstash3078 2 ปีที่แล้ว +144

      The snake'd probably come up with some excuse to not go.

    • @THEPISSPALADIN
      @THEPISSPALADIN 2 ปีที่แล้ว +239

      @@ghostthaking7981 Yea I reckon the second that door opens he would put a bullet each into the two guards, he is using his two double actions after all gives him more speed but less accuracy but that close he’d be fine.

  • @mellochello921
    @mellochello921 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8222

    Lenny's death is literally the phrase "live fast and die young." There wasn't no cutscene, no monologue, no big speech. It all happened within a second, just like how death can happen in a second in real life. But in his final moments, he knew who cared for him and who didn't or at least fake it. Arthur even writes in his journal about him while looking sad in further cutscenes. That's why he looks tired along with TB. He lost two brothers and a father figure at this point, and now he's losing himself unless he redemption himself rather than red dead the world around himself.

    • @shadow9774
      @shadow9774 2 ปีที่แล้ว +420

      Lenny's death is somewhat hinted at early on. When Arthur and Lenny rob Cornwall's train, he rushes ahead and will die if you don't save him. This time Arthur wasn't fast enough, likely because the TB started to make him slower.

    • @pradabears
      @pradabears ปีที่แล้ว +28

      @@lobaandrade7172 of all time

    • @rijulchhabra1725
      @rijulchhabra1725 ปีที่แล้ว +66

      So was Sean's!
      His death was more heartbraking. And that scene just shook us!!

    • @cypher2365
      @cypher2365 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@rijulchhabra1725 "I coulda told you that.."

    • @andrewsperry5846
      @andrewsperry5846 ปีที่แล้ว +100

      @@rijulchhabra1725 I hated Sean's death, because at the beginning I thought he was the most annoying character, then after the train robbery and the tobacco fields missions he started rubbing off on me. I said to myself "You know I'm really starting to like Sean." then seconds later- BANG.

  • @LostInOhio75
    @LostInOhio75 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5885

    The worst part of Lenny's death is you're still in WTF mode from Hosea's death, that first playthrough anyway. Dutch cares, but he knows stopping for a memorial would kill the rest of them

    • @onesaucynougat7471
      @onesaucynougat7471 2 ปีที่แล้ว +333

      I know, this game had no chill when it came to deaths from inside your gang. I remember pausing the game for like 10 minutes when Kieran died cause of how shocked I was.

    • @Spider-Complexion
      @Spider-Complexion 2 ปีที่แล้ว +174

      That’s what makes it more impactful too. Like someone else said here in the comments, death is so sudden and we don’t get any moment to really process Lenny and Hosea’s death until after it’s all settled down.
      RDR2 is gonna live for a loooong time with just how amazing it is

    • @IBeMelissa
      @IBeMelissa ปีที่แล้ว +111

      Dutch truly lost it after Hosea's death no doubt about it. Hosea was the only one keeping him in check kind of like a father figure...

    • @somethingorother3405
      @somethingorother3405 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      @@IBeMelissa I don't believe Dutch "lost" anything. Dutch, from the beginning, had ulterior motives. The gang were not more than pawns to him. During chapter 4-6, an exit begins to become clear to him, and he takes it with no regard for those who he may lose in the progress. Dutch always expressed a want for an escape, and Micah presented him with one.

    • @Xetron1978
      @Xetron1978 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      "Still in WTF mode" I like this quote lol, I was exactly like that during my first playthrough

  • @primetimemonkyhours743
    @primetimemonkyhours743 ปีที่แล้ว +5721

    Arthur: Heartbroken, lost a brother
    Charles: Shocked and Heartbroken
    Javier: Sad and Shocked
    Bill: Could care less
    Micah: who cares
    Dutch: cares but needs to stay focused

    • @soundwavesuperior28
      @soundwavesuperior28 ปีที่แล้ว +433

      Javier has as much reaction than Charles

    • @Strangeminds38
      @Strangeminds38 ปีที่แล้ว +428

      @@soundwavesuperior28 He just looks at the corpse and keeps on going, Charles actually stops for a bit.

    • @vzmo
      @vzmo ปีที่แล้ว

      To be fair, wasn't Bill in the military? So he probably saw many people die but knew that he had a job to do

    • @soundwavesuperior28
      @soundwavesuperior28 ปีที่แล้ว +491

      @@Strangeminds38
      Javier stops for a bit too. He doesn’t lean down, but he definitely stops for about as long as Charles. The only reason he continued as quick as he did was because he was in the back, and nothing more. If he continued to stop he could’ve been left behind.

    • @mistertwister2000
      @mistertwister2000 ปีที่แล้ว +108

      So Bill *could* care less? Meaning he cares at least a little?

  • @atwilliux456
    @atwilliux456 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3023

    Dutch has the legs of a god he jumped from roof to roof holding multiple gold bars in a bag

    • @CodyRayy119Games
      @CodyRayy119Games 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      IKR!!

    • @supermcduper218
      @supermcduper218 2 ปีที่แล้ว +120

      And he’s like 57

    • @Lone_Coyote
      @Lone_Coyote 2 ปีที่แล้ว +179

      @@supermcduper218 44.

    • @supermcduper218
      @supermcduper218 2 ปีที่แล้ว +63

      @@Lone_Coyote oh yeah, I mixed up with his age in the first game.

    • @grim2331
      @grim2331 2 ปีที่แล้ว +60

      And he stopped to turn so he barely had momentum

  • @a4arick106
    @a4arick106 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2493

    You might think that Dutch cared not for Lenny's death, but just hear the voice in him when he said "Oh Goddamn them". He legit actually got hit and surprised with the sudden death of the young boy but can't do much since he is leading the gang to escape.

    • @maksymalnybul6145
      @maksymalnybul6145 2 ปีที่แล้ว +275

      Yeah a lot of people think Dutch is such a simple character but he istn't It's not like he's a sociopath just wanting to be a leader of the gang. He got an idea that want to be realised but eventually is too blind to see it cannot be made.

    • @KanoSJ
      @KanoSJ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +148

      People have a hard time appreciating grey characters and Dutch is the most grey character in the game. Arthur- “Usually he’s the best man I know” he was a victim to the changing of the times. The age of outlaws was ending

    • @lucasball7173
      @lucasball7173 2 ปีที่แล้ว +101

      @@KanoSJ finally someone says it. Dutch is the definition of shades of grey. Too many people think that everything in the game is black and white. Truth is there’s no good guys and bad guys in the game. The game shows us violent gangs and rich corrupt businessmen. The grey area is the most intriguing part of the game

    • @thegaspoweredjohnnyjohn3972
      @thegaspoweredjohnnyjohn3972 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@KanoSJ u guys are treating this like morally grey characters are a brand new thing...

    • @KanoSJ
      @KanoSJ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @@thegaspoweredjohnnyjohn3972 where did I say or act like grey characters are a new thing? I just see in threads and play throughs that people don’t appreciate Dutch as a character and just see him as a villain

  • @shadrakistann6833
    @shadrakistann6833 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4211

    Javier had some of the best character development out of the 2nd game. (Duh, he was one of the only originals, I know) it’s moments like this that show he does care for others in the gang, a lot. But he couldn’t stand up to Dutch even at the end. My mental canon is he probably started doing opium to cope after everything went down. Stuff was everywhere and barely regulated back then. His RDR1 persona is very much like someone who’s been doing drugs for years. It’s also this brief moment that makes me believe him when he tells John he loved him as family. He just didn’t love him more than himself. Outlaw to the end.

    • @parkerlansden8928
      @parkerlansden8928 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's why whenever I get the first game, I'm killing him for sure. What a follower

    • @parkerlansden8928
      @parkerlansden8928 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Because I do know you have the option to either kill him right then and there or turn him in

    • @dimitarmitev5041
      @dimitarmitev5041 2 ปีที่แล้ว +92

      Outlaw for life brother

    • @JarisMusic
      @JarisMusic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      Very well said.

    • @Despair505
      @Despair505 2 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      I don't get the obsession with Javier in this fandom

  • @BullyInZeHouse2
    @BullyInZeHouse2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +966

    Lennys death was so out of the blue it blasted a hole through my heart. You barely had time to process that lenny is gone before u had to start running for your life again

    • @AshRain-nu3vz
      @AshRain-nu3vz ปีที่แล้ว

      Blasted a hole through Lenny too-

    • @DantesInferno96
      @DantesInferno96 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      That's how sudden deaths usually hit. You're never prepared.

    • @jasoniusthebonius9948
      @jasoniusthebonius9948 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      blasted a hole through Lennys heart too

    • @snappythesnapster1856
      @snappythesnapster1856 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      And Hoseas

    • @Deathworm-eg5lt
      @Deathworm-eg5lt 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@jasoniusthebonius9948goddamn 😭😭😭

  • @UrlDoManoloEstranho
    @UrlDoManoloEstranho ปีที่แล้ว +1321

    Javier looked at Lenny,and tried to touch his shoulder in grief like the others,but he looked back at Dutch and like a inferior walked away rapidly.
    This tells about Javier's character,he is a good person at heart,but his extreme loyalty to Dutch makes him do bad decisions and walk away from his friends.

    • @beheiry5959
      @beheiry5959 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      i think that was charles not javier

    • @jmbmntis
      @jmbmntis ปีที่แล้ว +55

      @@beheiry5959 this guy's right, it was Charles
      Javier was the last guy to run past Arthur and Lenny

    • @Chad_Milk
      @Chad_Milk ปีที่แล้ว +21

      @@jmbmntis no, he is right, Charles touched his shoulder and then ran away, Javier didn't get to even look for more than 2 seconds then looked at dutch and started to run away

    • @jmbmntis
      @jmbmntis ปีที่แล้ว +40

      @@Chad_Milk no no no, he's actually right, it's Javier who turns around for a second before running after Dutch. Charles is the one who pauses and touches Lenny before continuing. Hope this helps

    • @lemonsqweezy9532
      @lemonsqweezy9532 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @flapjax he did have the right idea, he just got confused. 😂

  • @AnEruditeWolf
    @AnEruditeWolf ปีที่แล้ว +497

    Dutch's voice tells you he is devastated, but he's also still somewhat Dutch at this point, and realizes he has the rest of the gang to worry about, and can't stop to mourn Lenny or else the rest will die, too.

    • @jasondyrkacz8270
      @jasondyrkacz8270 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Micah: I'm going to party as soon as we're clear.

    • @ileryon3k
      @ileryon3k 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Eventually he starts becoming too depressed. That's why he couldn't save John or Arthur.
      It's like a ".. Why even bother... It's over.."

    • @_Peremalfait
      @_Peremalfait 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Part of it is Dutch is responsible for their deaths. Another plan gone wrong.

    • @samuraidoggy
      @samuraidoggy 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Tbf nobody cared for lenny anyway. He was just a filler DEI hire.

  • @williamcole6568
    @williamcole6568 2 ปีที่แล้ว +571

    Lenny and Sean got hit so quick it was crazy

    • @saintedcookie5817
      @saintedcookie5817 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Real contrast from hoseas slow death too

    • @Sebastian62608
      @Sebastian62608 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      They went out fast because their life was fast. Hosea went out slow because his life was slow

    • @samuraidoggy
      @samuraidoggy 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@saintedcookie5817 Yeah, thats because Hosea was a pivotal important character, while Lenny was just unimportant DEI hire to have a black guy in the gang for the diversity boxes, then get rid of him quietly as he always was a filler.

    • @saintedcookie5817
      @saintedcookie5817 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      @@samuraidoggy Bro what are you smoking i need some of that

    • @kayaywhy999
      @kayaywhy999 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      ​@@samuraidoggy bro is living in red dead times😭 you been hanging out with Micah?😂

  • @tydreamz5619
    @tydreamz5619 2 ปีที่แล้ว +556

    This scene was really heartbreaking it was mainly painful to Arthur, Lenny wasn't only a friend to him but he was like a little brother to Arthur

    • @Arthur-Morgan_
      @Arthur-Morgan_ ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Lenny was pretty much the only “Son” Arthur had left

    • @rancor4513
      @rancor4513 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Yup. Him and sean.

    • @RyanTheDark
      @RyanTheDark 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Lenny and Kieran was for sure the one who would have sided with Arthur and John. You can't be too certain about Sean but Lenny and Kieran saw what was happening to the gang.

  • @Grassy35
    @Grassy35 ปีที่แล้ว +403

    Javier- mostly cared
    Arthur- cared a lot
    Micah 🐀- didn’t care
    Dutch- cared more about gang
    Charles- cared
    Bill 🏳️‍🌈- didn’t care
    Hosea- 🪦
    John- arrested

    • @vgames5512
      @vgames5512 ปีที่แล้ว +49

      I think Dutch cared pretty much,but he needed to stay focused to keep the others alive.
      (My opinion)

    • @22lrjayden81
      @22lrjayden81 ปีที่แล้ว +82

      Bro the bill with the pride flag😂

    • @pronintendo1984
      @pronintendo1984 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      Bill I also believed cared, even though he didn't show it in this scene. Remember these guys are running for their lives from the cops, and if you look back on Bill and Lenny's relationship in the early game, they were great friends.

    • @АлександрСтанков-ь5ю
      @АлександрСтанков-ь5ю ปีที่แล้ว +26

      bro did hosea dirty 💀

    • @EvralKoncheren567
      @EvralKoncheren567 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@АлександрСтанков-ь5юhosea be like: 🪦💀🔫

  • @FilipMarchewka
    @FilipMarchewka ปีที่แล้ว +115

    Damn, during my first playthrough Arthur screaming "No! Lenny!" got my eyes in tears and my blood cold. I loved that character, such a shame his death was so quiet

    • @ViViDG
      @ViViDG 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Same but when Sean got killed, so unexpected

    • @maalikserebryakov
      @maalikserebryakov 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@ViViDGHe is in Tir na Nog now

  • @johnbabovec391
    @johnbabovec391 2 ปีที่แล้ว +359

    Did anyone notice near the end when they are at the last campsite and are all pointing guns at each other. Dutch says you're either with me or against me. Javier is the only one that points his gun straight up and not at anyone. In Red Dead one when John catches Javier he mentions that moment to john.

    • @bignick2k215
      @bignick2k215 ปีที่แล้ว +59

      He actually does point his gun at them, he just takes the longest and moves the slowest. But he slowly lowers the gun down until he points it directly at them.

    • @nexxunlanxd
      @nexxunlanxd ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@bignick2k215 correcto

    • @sketchyecchiakechi
      @sketchyecchiakechi ปีที่แล้ว +82

      @@bignick2k215 and interestingly enough, this wasn't intended at all. javier's VA fought for the character moment where javier hesitates unlike the rest, because he found it very hard to believe that the javier in RDR2 would happily point a gun at his brothers. ultimately, i think it was a good decision, but it makes some of the chapter 6 camp scenes a bit jarring since there are some scenes where javier is plotting with micah and whispering about arthur.

    • @PROPAROXITONO
      @PROPAROXITONO ปีที่แล้ว +15

      that was my biggest disappointment in game history. I didn't play RDR1, just the 2, so I was hoping Javier to take Arthur's side.

    • @Hanfgurkenhasser
      @Hanfgurkenhasser ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@PROPAROXITONO Javier was a Dutch simp to the end.

  • @dudeuncool8037
    @dudeuncool8037 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    Javier wants to help but knows there isn’t time and they have to keep moving

  • @nickmessner700
    @nickmessner700 ปีที่แล้ว +94

    One of the most effective scenes in the entire game. I had really glommed onto Lenny, viewed him as almost a surrogate for the son Arthur lost. So them putting his death in an in game event where I could shoot the guy first but couldn't save Lenny was brutally effective. I restarted that mission over and over trying to save my boy because I felt I let him down. Then I realized that was exactly how they wanted me to feel. Such a phenomenal game.

    • @BeaverChainsaw
      @BeaverChainsaw 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      lenny had a father and nobody could replace his father. Kinda thought of arthur as an older brother to Lenny

    • @pcgamingwalkthrough
      @pcgamingwalkthrough 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      the love for RDR2 never fades! ❤

  • @abubakr_15_4
    @abubakr_15_4 2 ปีที่แล้ว +67

    Javier is cursed by loyalty

  • @ryandouglas7198
    @ryandouglas7198 2 ปีที่แล้ว +350

    Bill and Micah were both racist and had no respect for Lenny
    Charles was grieving for a second,
    Javier looked back in shock
    You could hear the pain and shock in Dutch’s voice “Oh Goddamn them or Oh God No” and then he said there’s nothing we can do now Arthur we have to go.
    Arthur wanted to just grieve for Lenny for another minute and then he had to go
    So Bill and Micah were the only two idiots that didn’t care about Lenny

    • @badreedinedjellali1328
      @badreedinedjellali1328 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      yeah didn't like Bill either I think he's the same as Micah at least Javier wasn't killing inccoint people and terrifying the resident in red dead 1 but bill have killed a lot of inccoint people who where just farmers trying to get by Bill is nothing but a cowred and really hated him

    • @gamerstheater1187
      @gamerstheater1187 2 ปีที่แล้ว +60

      Bill isn't racist, he is best friends with Javier

    • @IPOSKable
      @IPOSKable 2 ปีที่แล้ว +70

      There are some moments when Bill shows good vibes with Lenny... When you are with the band hiding in the snow, Lenny makes a joke about celebreating Micah's death, and Bill laught with him and tell him that he is right.... That shows some lil good vibes... And also Bill and Javier are good friends

    • @pablomagdaleno9005
      @pablomagdaleno9005 2 ปีที่แล้ว +63

      @@gamerstheater1187 the racism against black people in 1900 was a lot worse than racism against mexicans

    • @KattalystFr
      @KattalystFr 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bill served in the Army, he knows that people that behave like Arthur here are the second to die.

  • @dylanstankewicz850
    @dylanstankewicz850 2 ปีที่แล้ว +59

    I never wanted to kill all the people the game tell you to. But the second Lenny got shot it was my life's mission to ensure every Pinkerton and Lawman I saw died by my hand

  • @multifantv1245
    @multifantv1245 2 ปีที่แล้ว +351

    We already know from camp events and such that Micah and Bill are racists so they probably didn’t care for him but I was kind of surprised that in Chapter 4 after Lenny’s skill in the Trolley mission that he didn’t care enough to look at Lenny

    • @heyo8435
      @heyo8435 2 ปีที่แล้ว +145

      Didn't Bill and Lenny became friends? Like theres that one event where Bill tries to tell everyone about Lenny's accomplishment? Then theres a bank job where Bill, Lenny and Karen robs the bank in valentine?

    • @maryi685
      @maryi685 2 ปีที่แล้ว +82

      bill does care about lenny

    • @u.s.s.chucklefucker1657
      @u.s.s.chucklefucker1657 2 ปีที่แล้ว +120

      Bill is racist by instinct but not by thought.
      Once Lenny sticks up for himself and does some gang shit, Bill changes his tune, same with Charles I believe, and starts being more friendly.

    • @marcusmajors6196
      @marcusmajors6196 2 ปีที่แล้ว +71

      @@heyo8435 yeah they robbed a stage coach Bill bragged about how good Lenny did

    • @KattalystFr
      @KattalystFr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +60

      Bill knows better. Remember, he served in the Army and knows that people that behave like Arthur did here are the second to die.

  • @richardwarren71
    @richardwarren71 2 ปีที่แล้ว +173

    Maybe this will be a very unpopular idea and it's understandable BUT. What if when Arthur had low honor when Lenny died he just ran off instead of having that moment of mourning?

    • @ghostthaking7981
      @ghostthaking7981 2 ปีที่แล้ว +67

      Hate to say it but the idea is actually kinda cool

    • @FerinHite
      @FerinHite ปีที่แล้ว +77

      Fits the idea of low honor Arthur being not much better than Dutch. Maybe have him turn while running like Javier does?

    • @iswee119
      @iswee119 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      @@FerinHite yeah that fits low honor arthur more

    • @skout-374
      @skout-374 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      It's not really understandable bc Arthur loved lenny like a little brother along with Sean he would be devastated either way

    • @crazycowpoke
      @crazycowpoke ปีที่แล้ว

      I’m on my god knows how many play through with low honour. During the escape, I’ll just simply walk, chill and have poor Lenny die. Kill the 2 bastards then place them beside Lenny and throw a molotov to burn em.

  • @therawringdog6754
    @therawringdog6754 2 ปีที่แล้ว +83

    I think this simply showed who was more emotional, everyone was upset at this but others were more focused on keeping their own lives than stopping for what couldn’t be changed after happening

  • @bellehecate2641
    @bellehecate2641 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    I remember my first playthrough and this happened, I was jumping on the roofs feeling numb and still reeling from Hosea and now Lenny. When the surviving gang members eventually found a room they could hide in, I was still in shock. It happened so fast.

  • @ultankearns
    @ultankearns ปีที่แล้ว +50

    This was definitely one of the saddest moments in RDR2, what really gets me is how suddenly it happened. I'm on chapter 6 currently and I have to say it's one of the best games I've played in a long time. Found it kind of hard to focus on the story for a while due to the sheer size and scale of the game but my god it's an experience once you start taking it seriously.

    • @Mrparanoico66
      @Mrparanoico66 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Red dead redemption 2 is a masterpiece, one of the best games I've ever played
      I hope you've enjoyed every second of it, because it can only be experienced once, so make sure it's worth it

    • @lermberl
      @lermberl ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@Mrparanoico66 disagree, wait a couple years and play it again. It's not exactly the same, but you still feel the same about it.

  • @Pro_Butcher_Amateur_Human
    @Pro_Butcher_Amateur_Human ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Having played RDR, I came into this game expecting to hate Dutch, Bill and Javier.
    But they were given such excellent writing, acting, and nuance that it both made sense with what wd know of them from RDR, but also made them compelling and likeable characters.
    You find yourself happily listening to Javier play the guitar and singing in camp, looking forward to robbing a stage with Bill, and perfectly understanding why all those people were happy to follow Dutch.
    RDR2 doesn't suffer from the traditional prequel problems. They managed to make us adore characters that we knew would be villains and antagonists to our beloved John.
    GTA6 has huge shoes to fill, being the game coming after the excellent and most profitable piece of media ever GTA5, and possibly the greatest example of storytelling yet found in video games in RDR2.

  • @animatoraoi3672
    @animatoraoi3672 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    when I went through this I was already in full on murder mode with Hosea dying but when lenny died I was stunned like I did all I could to protect everybody and couldnt even save the kid on front of me, I even used deadeye to try and save him hopefully saving him in the last second but damn when he died he hits the hardest and when everybody moved on by I was screaming inside my head "DID YOU GUYS EVER STOP AND LOOK BACK EVEN FOR A MOMENT TO SHOW YOU CARE!?" as Arthur was sitting there for Lenny

    • @mrcapsknee7427
      @mrcapsknee7427 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Charles stopped briefly with Arthur then ran
      Javier looked back horrified and went along
      Dutch had pain in his voice when he yelled "GODDAMN THEM"
      The only 2 racist pricks that didnt stop Micah and Bill

  • @garrettpold6818
    @garrettpold6818 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    While Hosea acted like a father figure for Lenny, sharing rare moments of bonding, like fishing, hunting, etc. Arthur acted somewhat of an older brother, ironically engaging in more adult activities, i.e drinking, five finger fillet, poker, dominoes, so it’s difficult to say whom was hurt the most by his death,

    • @btd6dp411
      @btd6dp411 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Well Hosea didn't really feel anything when Lenny died so I guess Arthur was more hurt

    • @milanesaderes1654
      @milanesaderes1654 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@btd6dp411so hosea didnt care about lenny after all

    • @btd6dp411
      @btd6dp411 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@milanesaderes1654 no he was just dead by that time

    • @milanesaderes1654
      @milanesaderes1654 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@btd6dp411 i dont understand uncle arthur

    • @Raffferr
      @Raffferr 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@btd6dp411hosea was literally dead

  • @dev8895
    @dev8895 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    i reloaded this so many times trying to save him bruh

  • @user-rn7nv8eg5o
    @user-rn7nv8eg5o ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Arthur, Charles and Javier cared.

    • @TFerguson_Enthusiast
      @TFerguson_Enthusiast 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      So did dutch, it's just he knows it's already too late and it's better to save the rest of the gang than lost another one

  • @ssudzy3
    @ssudzy3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Man, anyone else play through this game again and realize how good of a character Javier was?
    Like in the first game I thought he was one of the bad guy if the gang, but after this one I think he’s actually one of the better members, downs I earth, and cares about the others.

  • @carpet163
    @carpet163 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    It definitely shows character but stopping to grieve at a time like that would make them all end up like Lenny.

  • @death4904
    @death4904 2 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    Am I weird for getting annoyed that arthur didn't drop down at the end of the video? Little things like that when I play piss me off. It takes away from the amazing immersion you have from this game.

    • @nathanp3323
      @nathanp3323 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I was thinking that too.

  • @harlow7895
    @harlow7895 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    when you play five finger fillet with Lenny at chapter 2 he says that he is the living embodiment of luck then when he died here everything was downfall for the gang

  • @BetterSigmaFC
    @BetterSigmaFC ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I can’t believe only Charles and Javier stop at Lenny’s body.
    Idk if Dutch was looking at Lenny or waiting for Arthur

  • @LoneWolf-nf6dk
    @LoneWolf-nf6dk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    0:11 Just Imagine If Arthur Said *Micah* Instead Of *Lenny*.

    • @asdf-bq4tg
      @asdf-bq4tg ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Lenny sides with Arthur in Chapter 6 or just leaves

  • @richjc7004
    @richjc7004 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Only micah didnt care, you can clearly hear Dutch pain in his voice but he couldn’t stop moving

  • @WeLoveZwikky43
    @WeLoveZwikky43 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    It looked like Arthur and Javier cared the most because Arthur runs right over to him to check if he's ok and Javier looks back and slows down a moment to check up on him but realises he's dead and keeps moving it sucks how Javier was to scared to stand up against Dutch but he truly cares for Arthur and John more than he did for Dutch he just didn't want to die

    • @PutSumDirtInYaEye
      @PutSumDirtInYaEye ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Charles also stopped to say goodbye to Lenneth

    • @ThisIsJustARandomHandle
      @ThisIsJustARandomHandle ปีที่แล้ว

      @@PutSumDirtInYaEye yeah but Javier wasn’t on our side at the end of the game so it's good to see this...this...good in him

    • @Heisen_burger-dude
      @Heisen_burger-dude ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@ThisIsJustARandomHandle even most bad guys have feelings. Even micah had a brother he cared about. But his brother knew what a crazy and dangerous man he is

    • @ThisIsJustARandomHandle
      @ThisIsJustARandomHandle ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Heisen_burger-dude yeah, that's honestly true, and there were subtle signs that Javier didn’t exactly feel right about being on Dutch’s side, like when he made sure his gun wasn’t pointing at John and Arthur.

    • @rhuridking
      @rhuridking ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Charles touched his shoulder cause it's a way to say farewell in Indigenous American culture

  • @h0rn3d_h1st0r1an
    @h0rn3d_h1st0r1an ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Arthur's mother: *Gives birth to Arthur
    Arthur: L- L-
    Arthur's mom: Awww he's gonna say his first words!
    Arthur: LLEENAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

    • @axx012
      @axx012 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      LMAO!!!!!

  • @Sigmalpha69420
    @Sigmalpha69420 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Rip lenny

  • @Jobe-13
    @Jobe-13 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    It’s great seeing Dutch wanted to stay and help and make sure Arthur was alright, but he knew they still had to keep moving.

  • @dev8895
    @dev8895 2 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    he deserved so much more😞

  • @MarzCube
    @MarzCube 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Jaiver genuinly cares for almost everyone in the gang and the only reason his seen as a bad guy is becuase he sided with dutch and the reason he did was because dutch pretty much saved him and he was loyal to him.

  • @MistahJay7
    @MistahJay7 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Dutch's "Godamnn" Shows me he does care.

  • @lordreiman8352
    @lordreiman8352 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I honestly wasn't sure if Lenny's death was scripted or could be prevented so for a few minutes I was WRACKED with guilt cuz I thought I was too slow to save him

  • @verifiedAEROx
    @verifiedAEROx ปีที่แล้ว +95

    Out of ALL the guys who sided with Dutch, Javier earns my respect. He might not have stopped to grieve over Lenny, but he never pointed his weapon during the standoff at Beaver Hollow, and I feel like that's enough proof that he still found the gang more as a family than a lifestyle. He also wasn't with Dutch, Micah, Bill, or Micah's two goons while chasing after John and Arthur.... at least the cutscene doesn't show him in it, so I feel like he genuinely wasn't apart of that specific chase. Also makes me feel better than in RD1 you can have a choice whether to kill him or not.

    • @skylinesenpai5554
      @skylinesenpai5554 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I really dont understand why this is pointed out soooo much..
      Javier in fact WAS about to point his gun at the two..
      There wasn´t just enough time to finish this movement.
      People getting so exited over something that in fact isn´t true.
      Javier is a Dutch-loyal person.

    • @verifiedAEROx
      @verifiedAEROx ปีที่แล้ว +32

      @@skylinesenpai5554 What...? At the beaver hollow standoff Javier doesn't point his gun... the voice actor literally is on a panel talking about how he was fighting to keep that in the game... idk wherever you got that "not enough time to finish the movement" idea but you're wrong... its also on the RDR2 wiki

    • @skylinesenpai5554
      @skylinesenpai5554 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@verifiedAEROx Just a moment before they get interrupted you can cleary see how Javier slowly starts pointing his Gun towards John and Arthur. It dont really takes a close look to see that.
      Put me a link of said interview with Javiers voice actor if thats really the truth. Im curious.

    • @verifiedAEROx
      @verifiedAEROx ปีที่แล้ว

      @@skylinesenpai5554 th-cam.com/video/ifohZGPVBMQ/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=ConventionCoverage 10:10

    • @skylinesenpai5554
      @skylinesenpai5554 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@verifiedAEROx Okay wow i didnt knew that.
      Which makes me even more confused about that cutscene because for me the last one or two seconds before they get interrupted it really looks like Javier slowly lowers his Gun pointing it to Arthur and John.

  • @somebadcandy9332
    @somebadcandy9332 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I was replaying this mission and I looked behind me at everyone running and Bill actually looked at Lenny while running.

  • @EXPLORER-hq1us
    @EXPLORER-hq1us 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Lennyyyy where are you 🥺😭

    • @shadowknight1121
      @shadowknight1121 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He’s not finding him this time. 🥺

    • @EXPLORER-hq1us
      @EXPLORER-hq1us 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@shadowknight1121 I am sure the both are in heaven 😿

    • @muthafukajones8114
      @muthafukajones8114 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@EXPLORER-hq1us Alongside Uncle and John

    • @EXPLORER-hq1us
      @EXPLORER-hq1us 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@muthafukajones8114 yes them too and all other good gang members.

    • @merwthegreat
      @merwthegreat 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@EXPLORER-hq1us theyre not

  • @martongergely757
    @martongergely757 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    1: arthur
    2: javier
    3: charles
    4: dutch
    5: bill
    6: micah

    • @martongergely757
      @martongergely757 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      the list of how much they cared

    • @IoannisPetrakis
      @IoannisPetrakis 2 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      @@martongergely757 Charles cared more than javier based off this alone

    • @martongergely757
      @martongergely757 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@IoannisPetrakis they are about the same

    • @darkknights_22nd35
      @darkknights_22nd35 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@martongergely757 no there not Charles actually stopped but Javier looked and kept running

    • @martongergely757
      @martongergely757 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@darkknights_22nd35 javier stopped as well

  • @DutchPlanDerLindeFromTahiti
    @DutchPlanDerLindeFromTahiti 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Arthur: Depressed and Shocked
    Micah:
    Bill:
    Javier: Lost, depressed and cursed with loyalty
    Dutch: Tahiti

  • @flufflewarrior
    @flufflewarrior ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I replayed that mission so many times because I actually thought I could save Lenny by being faster.

  • @d3ceasedwashere
    @d3ceasedwashere 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    With Dutch it wasnt cause he actually cared about Lenny, it was because he was waiting for Arthur

  • @5minutereviews296
    @5minutereviews296 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Love your channel, just download this again

  • @elsinuu
    @elsinuu หลายเดือนก่อน

    This scene gets even more sad when you see that Lenny didnt die instantly, he saw almost everyone of his "Family" running without looking behind

  • @ProdigyFive
    @ProdigyFive ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Charles and javi, Dutch too.

  • @MoaiEdits.
    @MoaiEdits. ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Jaiver and Charles cared. the most

  • @rnoble3541
    @rnoble3541 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Javier was one of the more likeable characters in RDR2, and it's just a shame that his choice at the end just didn't happen to be "leave the gang"

  • @iwanevans1404
    @iwanevans1404 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Deaths of Hosea and Lenny are the most realistic. Here, gone. No massive shootout, no nothing. Alive one second, dead the next.

  • @smokinguns1
    @smokinguns1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I tried so many times to shoot the guy first and save lenny....

    • @A-TRA1N
      @A-TRA1N 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Can't save him because it's a Canon event 😂

  • @uwuqt3.14
    @uwuqt3.14 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Arthur's desperate "NO!!!" Really hits hard... 😢 It's like he was pleading for them to not shoot their youngest member, I can't even imagine how much was going through Arthur's head in that moment

  • @timetravelingtraveler
    @timetravelingtraveler 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Bruh I thought everyone knew that

    • @jt0094
      @jt0094 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ok….

  • @BlueCollarCriminal
    @BlueCollarCriminal ปีที่แล้ว

    My first play through hearing Arthur yell “NO, LENNY!” Broke my damn heart

  • @rafizul90
    @rafizul90 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    ok, but better watch that Javier walks into body at 0:40

  • @kaiserepsilon4011
    @kaiserepsilon4011 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I loved it when Arthur said "You could'a had your Redemption, but now you're Red and Dead 2."

  • @mrflimflaim-_-8304
    @mrflimflaim-_-8304 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Arthur felt real brutal on Lenny death that was actually sad😢

    • @jennykirk5397
      @jennykirk5397 ปีที่แล้ว

      It was hard to see him die

  • @KB_CAPTURES
    @KB_CAPTURES ปีที่แล้ว +1

    All members excluding Micah and bill were shocked and sad at Lenny and Hosea's Death

  • @mr.bruhbruh9203
    @mr.bruhbruh9203 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    the worst thing in this entire game is that you cant save lenny. i mean the perpetrators are fully shootable if you're fast enough or know it ahead of time and they could've made lenny another person who hanged out with john in the epilogue and eventually left like charles and sadie but no, of course lenny has to die. >:(

  • @voxfoxclips8684
    @voxfoxclips8684 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    As surprising as it is for low honor Arthur to have the most gut wrenching 'NO, LENNY!!' (As opposed to high honor 'You sons of b*tches!') It shows that, high or low honor, Arthur loved Lenny as his closest family than most in the gang.
    The emotion is REAL.

  • @L.ysergicSD
    @L.ysergicSD 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Everytime I get to this part in my play throughs I always am so regretful playing the story again🤣. Literally 2 of my favorite characters killed back to back in a row. Hosea then Lenny.

  • @PersonalAccount23
    @PersonalAccount23 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You can tell how this player just played he was trying to see it he can prevent it

  • @jennatolls904
    @jennatolls904 ปีที่แล้ว

    the way Arthur yells “NO!” is genuine

  • @mistertwister2000
    @mistertwister2000 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    When Lenny dies, Bill and Micah completely ignore it while Javier slows a little, showing hesitation before following Dutch.
    When Dutch betrays Arthur and John, Micah and Bill have guns leveled and ready to kill while Javier can’t bring himself to fully aim at them, though still standing against them and following Dutch.

  • @ShasOSwoll
    @ShasOSwoll ปีที่แล้ว

    Bill was in the army, he knows better than to get distracted by a comrade getting killed.

  • @_FLYingArroW_
    @_FLYingArroW_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    If Arthur was drunk in the mission “HAHA FOUND YA LENNYAHH”….”LENNY, HAY LENNY”…”LENNY GET UP”….”LENNNNNYYYYYYYAAHHHHHH”

  • @NobleVoicez
    @NobleVoicez 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The only guys that looked: Javier, Dutch, Arthur, Charles

  • @amiraziz2331
    @amiraziz2331 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Ahhhh... If only Arthur had taken Michah instead of Lenny

    • @ghostthaking7981
      @ghostthaking7981 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Tbh i think Micah with his reflexes woulda been fine still hes a slippery bastard

    • @johntrammer2499
      @johntrammer2499 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It was more throat Lenny wasn’t looking where he was going and less that it was Lenny

  • @Draw71
    @Draw71 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    On my first playthrough I thought that I could save Lenny with correct timing and restarted the mission.
    The feels hit twice in that moment 💔

  • @fluxgoodra9034
    @fluxgoodra9034 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Lenny…. 😢 our drinking and racist-killing bud. Rest little brother, the work is done

  • @TheLostGamerMan
    @TheLostGamerMan ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like how Charles stops for a bit longer than Javier meaning Charles probably liked Lenny a bit

  • @rooost9856
    @rooost9856 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I just went through this mission

  • @alfzepo9976
    @alfzepo9976 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Charles didn't like Lenny but he still checked to see if he was alive :(

    • @user-hx6gs9rq7u
      @user-hx6gs9rq7u ปีที่แล้ว

      What makes you think he didn’t like him

    • @alfzepo9976
      @alfzepo9976 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@user-hx6gs9rq7u they have one conversation in the entire game and it’s Lenny trying to start a conversation and Charles rudely shutting him down and saying how he doesn’t like when people talk unnecessarily

  • @phoenixbehr36
    @phoenixbehr36 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Just a crusher of a scene, and why RDR2 is the best game of its era. What a story. 😭

  • @Mori_Mika
    @Mori_Mika ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think i saw 3 people stop.
    Obviously Arthur stopped, but Charles and Javier slowed down too, Charles coming to a complete stop and Javier just slowly moving backwards as to pay respects but also because they have to move.
    My conclusion is that Arthur, Javier and Charles are the only 3 with a heart for LENNYYYYYYY.

  • @Yoda_Wiz
    @Yoda_Wiz ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Arthur: Collapses next to Lenny, near tears.
    Charles: Stops to check for a pulse then returns to the current task.
    Micah, Dutch, and Bill: Fuck him let's split!
    Javier: Knows he's dead, saw the whole thing, still looks back, but ultimately he's out for himself so he never stops.

    • @draiso4503
      @draiso4503 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Bro did not understand this properly

  • @polvuh4539
    @polvuh4539 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    19 years old... he really was just a goddamn kid.

  • @ostrichboi1418
    @ostrichboi1418 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You could see how it pained javier to leave him though

  • @KZONEofc
    @KZONEofc หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    After all, we can see Javier Was Still A good Person, Of course He made mistakes Between Rdr2 final and rdr1 mid, But this scene shows How He Still cared for lenny death, But his loyality to dutch made Him fall at The darkness

  • @TJ-fe7rr
    @TJ-fe7rr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm pretty sure they all cared.

  • @Gmanja-d5101
    @Gmanja-d5101 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You gotta replay Lenny’s death scene one more time, charles and javier both cared, the way they stopped. The others ran past like he wasn’t there

  • @charlie_6644
    @charlie_6644 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It's even worse because Hosea died minutes before Lenny and you're just like "what the actual fuck Rockstar"

  • @gaminggamingPH
    @gaminggamingPH ปีที่แล้ว +1

    who else restarted the mission to try and save Lenny?

    • @Arthur-Morgan_
      @Arthur-Morgan_ ปีที่แล้ว

      I was so desperately waiting for the “Failed” screen

  • @eddy_malouempereur_du_cong6536
    @eddy_malouempereur_du_cong6536 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You can ear at Dutch's voice he was clearly affected but he knowed they can't stop

  • @BeachioSandschannel
    @BeachioSandschannel 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The worst part about it is that Lenny doesn’t instantly die. He grimaces in pain and squirms a bit before Arthur gets up and runs with the rest of the gang.

  • @areyousrsrightneow4252
    @areyousrsrightneow4252 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I miss lenny so much man it hurt to see him die so quick

  • @patois2010
    @patois2010 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Dutch Javier and Charles were only ones that even acknowledged it

  • @martinrobo123
    @martinrobo123 ปีที่แล้ว

    When you're running for your life, you haven't got time to pause, grieving can come later.

  • @stephenharbor3179
    @stephenharbor3179 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's much more devastating when you quickly switch to first person.

  • @YoungIroh
    @YoungIroh 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Ive tried saving him so many times. It hurts everytime

  • @psychotic423
    @psychotic423 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What's surprising here is the tie and vest Arthur is wearing are red implying this is Low Honour Arthur.
    Yet you can hear the devastation in his voice when he says "No! Lenny!" and when he approaches Lenny's body.
    Low or High, he cared about Lenny like his brother either ways.

    • @waspswarm870
      @waspswarm870 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      arthur was always loyal even at his most dishonourable so it makes sense that he feels some emotional connection to his gang mates no matter what - his redemption and the high honour ending are more about embracing loyalty to people and trying to help those around you just because its the right thing to do, not just blind fealty to a collective or idea