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He was such an underutilized character, but he had that shit on him. (his gun, his clothes, his boots had the gold plates etc. he had an elegance that surpassed dutch’s)
That's because he's mexican mexicans are the original cowboys of North America, we taught Americans how to be cowboys, cowboy culture runs deeper in mexico than here in America. Gold and silver belts and guns are very normal in mexico
@@oralevato1841 oh yeah ofc my grandparents were very hispanic and i grew up watching westerns and also a cool little thing isbin the epilogue as john, in new austin when looting, the del lobos have the most valuables outta all the other gangs u fight
Always felt bad for Javier at the end in Beaverhollow, Javier is obviously torn between his brothers. Unlike Bill, Javier doesnt follow blindly he has intelligence and insight ultimately still siding with Dutch without really raising his gun towards his former brothers. Siding with Dutch here really was a terrible decision we can only speculate but i cannot see John hunting Javier down if he sided with John (more Arthur but still) John and Javier siding together getting out of there perhaps even with Bill there would have been a awesome scenario.
Javier was never conflicted. What game did you play. He was always like "Dutch is right" "stick by dutch" the entire game all he did was make excuses for dutch.
There’s a lot I can say about ur comment but imma just agree with the last thing u said about John not going after Javier, bc he was never actually ordered to go against him in the first place, he only does so bc Bill was still in contact with him and he knew he’d be with Javier, but when turning him in to Ross John asks “Can we assume one of my commitments is cleared” to which Fordham replies “until we have Williamson, nothing is cleared”. In case u don’t know what that’s implying it’s basically John asking if Javier is good enough instead of Bill but they reject it saying Bill is still a priority, basically making John turning Javier in for nothing except an extra head for Ross to claim
Became a drunk and an opium user, you loose your drive to look good when your too busy fucked up. He flees back to Mexico and started working for the corrupt government as a hitman to earn bread. He lost his pride too
I always liked Javier, Bill too really. Bill always just seemed misunderstood to me, like he wanted to be accepted by the rest instead of ridiculed all the time. I think the actor who played Bill said he’d like to think that Bill would’ve joined John and Arthur if they had the chance to talk with him one on one.
Yoy know I was once in a stage production of clue and I was tasked with playing colonel mustard and as such I took inspiration from bill Williamson for how I played him
There's a ch 6 mission where argur and are alone and bill basically tells you shut up and trust dutch. This was before arthur knew he was a rat, but when John comes back saying dutch left him, and arthur knowing and telling the gang about Micah. At least Javier is conflicted. I don't hate Bill, i even enjoy him at times because my hometown is full of idiots with an inferiority complex and it's funny. But that's all bill was I think, seemed like he just saw it as him moving up, instead of realizing that it was over.
On top of him aiming in the air at the end. He also missed all the drama before he ran over to say the pinkertons were on their way. So Arthur accusing Micah and John's return and claims Dutch left him were missed by Javier. He just saw Grimshaw get shot and Arthur and John vs the gang and took the gangs side.
Except the fact Javier was literally one of the men that left John to die along with Dutch. Replay the mission and you’ll see Javier’s cold expression as Micah and Dutch blatantly lie about John being killed. That’s also why John confronts him in rdr1 with “What you and Dutch did was wrong, the way you left me was wrong” and Javier just looks down with guilt knowing he screwed up. Plus Javier wasn’t one of John’s targets so John went after him out of revenge and hoping he can just turn him in instead of Bill so he can finally see his family
@@josephstalin2606he didn't go for revenge. escuella was helping bill, he went for information, but javier didn't sell him out. (even when he said to john that he could take him to bill, he was clearly lying because he lied about dutch being in colombia)
@@JavierEscuella1899 And then he immediately sells out Bill anyways the moment John lassos him 😂 He would’ve done anything to save his own skin, that’s why John doesn’t take it easy on him bc he sees right through his lies. You’re right about the sole reason him getting Javier isn’t JUST revenge, but there’s still the theme of it bc again, Javier isn’t actually a target but John went for Javier not just to get info, but to try and turn him in instead of Bill That’s why when John hands Javier over to Fordham and Ross he asks them “Can we assume one of my commitments is cleared” AKA can Javier be taken in place of Bill or Dutch and Fordham rejects it saying “Until we have Williamson, nothing is cleared” and John is visibly angry bc now he still has to go after Bill and went thru the effort of handing Javier over for nothing Now don’t forget, Javier LEFT John to DIE in RDR2, he’s seen expressionless behind Dutch as he lies to Arthur saying John was killed yet John reveals they straight up ditched him, just listen to the dialogue when he confronts Javier, he shows more hostility and anger towards Javier than he ever does to Bill or Dutch, Bill bc he was on the train and didn’t leave him to die then and Dutch bc of how he helped him take out Micah years later
Javier from RDR1 and Javier from RDR2 are completely different characters unfortunately. It's why RDR1 needs a remake and not a remaster. When they originally made RDR1 none of the background and context of RDR2 was established aside from a gang existed and Dutch led it.
I hated how Arthur and Javier split towards the end. Javier was cool and slick, I loved the camp scene when he scares the shit out of Micah. When the only thing he would really say to you at beaver hollow was "What happened to loyalty?" that actually hurt. I could see him leaving in the chaos after the Pinkerton attack. Like Charles nobody in the gang cared that he was hispanic, except Micah and probably Micah's two friends. He would default to Dutch in the standoff but I think Dutch leaving John and what the gang was now might have caused him to leave. At the beginning of the game he's willing to go look for John because "He'd do the same for me". The new gang wouldn't do that for him.
@@grumpy-wolfman That's a really good point. To the best of my knowledge, while Arthur had complained about how things were going, that was the first time he publicly challenged Dutch's authority. When Grimshaw killed Molly she criticizes Arthur who was trying to stop Dutch from killing her because that's the code. After Arthur throws out Strauss I believe it's Karen, could be someone else since I haven't played through the game in awhile, who asks him if he's going to throw them out too. Helping the Indians and not telling Dutch could also be seen as not putting the gang first. Not saying what Arthur did was wrong but I can see how other gang members could see them as him undermining Dutch and the gang.
It will probably never happen, but a Red Dead Revolución exploring Javier's backstory would be awesome. For those who don't know Red Dead Revolver was actually the first Red Dead game not Redemption, so it is possible we'll get a Red Dead spin-off game at some point.
Red Dead Revolución actually sounds really cool! I dont think it could be as large as rdr1 or 2, but maybe a shorter game that covers Javier’s history and how he found Dutch. Could also lead to other games that cover different gang members’s background
@@Nathator97 If anything, they should just do RDR1 remake and Javier's story being a DLC or something like that. It's not like he'd be in different areas than RDRs take place.
Hard to say if Javier and Bill regrouped with Dutch after Beaver Hollow or they fled the Pinkertons and Dutch never sought them out. He would have gotten the story about Micah from Bill and regardless of ending, Micah runs off with the money. Javier knows he had to avoid the remnants of the gang as they would either alert the authorities or shoot him on sight.
Great video. Interesting note: During the first train robbery mission Dutch asks the gang if they're ready and everyone replies "ready" but Javier replies "ready Dutch." I just found that interesting in light of your video. Cheers!
I feel like in the end of Chapter 6, Maybe Javier could have changed his mind in the process of running away with Dutch then separated to catch up with Arthur and John and help John escape in the midst of climbing up the mountain. But realistically thinking, they all separated and only cared on escaping the chaos and living from it.
I think his actor also said that if it wasn't for RDR1 forcing Javier to be against John, he thinks Javier would have joined Arthur and the rest of them. I feel like Bill could go either way
It isn’t hard to believe his change of character, he is obviously much more erratic after Guarma and that is evident by how he treats the other gang members at Beaver Hollow. He later helps Dutch leave John to die in Our Best Selves and doesn’t oppose to leaving Jack an orphan and Abigail in Pinkerton custody. This already shows that he has no qualms about leaving his brothers for money, he then ditches Dutch presumably with Bill since he isn’t present when Dutch and the remaining gang members shoot at John and Arthur. Then later in 1911 starts working for the Mexican Government by being a hitman for Allende which clearly opposes the views that Javier had in RDR2. Dude got a taste of money and ditched all his ideals. People change, especially over twelve years.
This is honestly the most painful betrayal in the game as far I'm concerned. Because Javier dose care and we can clearly see that but when Rhodes or Gaurma hits? It's when he just...I don't know if he doubles down or he just is trying to avoid choosing between people he cares about.. But when he refuses to point his gun at Arthur and John or micha and dutch? That's honestly what hurt more than anything he's done. Not because of right or wrong but because it's very human to not want to choose between people who you care about.
What if Allende's government used Javier's loved ones as a bargaining tool to force him to take down revolutionaries in the same way that the pinkertons used John to get to Javier,Bill and Dutch by taking Jack and Abigail?🤔
Callander Brothers are very interesting indeed and almost never talked about, as i commented previous on other content "Rockstar does plan ahead with events and characters like Heide McCort here. And they also do it in RDR2 in a very subtle way most people seem to forget with Mac and Davey Challander the brothers are mentioned quite alot through-out the story. They mysteriously die before RDR2 really starts as perhaps a perfect setup for future games perhaps even as main-characters like you can play multiple main-characters in GTA V. With members like Bill and others mentioning how much he misses them and that they were great, and members like Charles remembering them as pure outlaws and terrible people most likely having to do with the honor system every RDR game has."
@@theflyingdutchman1301 an especially good point when you consider another gang member died just before the story and we only hear about her like once
Also larger, in fact it was closer to the O'Driscoll Gang in terms of size with Blackwater killing about a dozen gang members instead of just Mac, Jenny, and Davey
It's never stated in RDR 1 the number of victims of the Blackwater Massacre. The whole "dozen dead gangmembers" stuff is a big-ass Mandela-Effect thing that some people seem to suffer.
I think we need the back story of all the other characters it could be one game where we play as multiple characters before and after we meet them in rdr2
See, this is probably the hottest take I have for RDR2, but I also believe there is some legitimate substance to it. I firmly believe that the Van Der Linde gang was too big for it's own good. Not just narratively, but functionally. By trying to fill out the ranks of the gang instead of fleshing out characters who are actually essential to the story, the writers end up having to artificially drum up tension for characters like Lenny and Sean, characters who were it not for the one or two dedicated missions together, would be completely meaningless to the player. Manwhile you have Bill and Javier, whom despite being large parts of the first game as unseen objectives, are treated almost exactly the same with almost no screentime. All in all it just feels like characters aren't given time to breath, like, you have to remind yourself that Abiagle, Jack, and Uncle even exist, while also trying to keep the names of the three girls straight. But hey, that's just my opinion.
I agree. The only notable characters in the gang that had any real substance or true character that made them feel more than just a “member” were Dutch, Arthur, John, Hosea, Micah-plus Sadie and Charles towards the later half of RDR2. Everyone else in the gang kinda just felt “there”, especially the likes of Molly, Pearson, Uncle, Ms. Grimshaw and the rest of the women. Anything we know about a lot of other members is through small interactions at camp, a few of the side missions that don’t pertain to the story or whatever kind of RDR2 lore you can dive into. But I do realize some characters weren’t meant to have big roles or characters that you knew all about. There’s a lot of mystery in RDR that is left to the player’s on interpretation- which is something I think Rockstar did intentionally.
I thought the same and hotter take it completely butchers RDR1’s storyline. The idea that Hosea and Arthur aren’t even mentioned despite functioning as co-leaders by anyone else is far fetched at best. Never mind John himself saying it was a small ruthless gang and yet there are like 20 people involved that we see and it’s implied they were even bigger prior and again no mention either
That was obviously the story they were trying to tell. Javier and Bill werent even huge parts of the first game. As targets, yes but they still took a backseat to Bonnie, West Dickens, Irish, Seth, the entire Mexican cast including the girl that dies for Reyes. All of them are much more active in the story without even touching on Ross, Dutch and Johns family.
@@Mr92094 it doesnt really. Nobody ever mentions specifics, just broad strokes. Going off the first game alone, we really have no idea about any of it other than Dutch went crazy and John got shot on the riverboat and left for dead. We assumed for years it all took place on the riverboat (it probably was intended) but its never elaborated on. The whole premise of RDR1 was tying off the loose ends from the gang. That there was more to it originally doesnt change that. Some people just like to complain I guess
to be fair they are all killers, its dutches gaslighting that messes up the players pov…even if youre a high honor player you still kill people…youre in a gang of outlaws😂
I actually like how Arthur is forced to kill because he following Dutch out of loyalty, I imagine Arthur hates killing but only does it because he’s good at it. Hosea Sums up Arthur’s battle in life “ sometimes good men do bad things” it’s gotta be tough being an outlaw when deep down you’re a good man.
I like yo think that canonically John arrests Javier and Reyas knowing that he needs a powerful ally and being rhe selfish liar that he is free's and recruits Javier giving him a new cause PS: I dont understand why people think the entirety of RDR2 is the downfall of The Van Der Linde gang it was filled with highs and lows for them since Blackwater, thinks seem real bleak during cpt.1 then things are great during cpt.3 halfway to cpt.4 things really dont start to fall apart for the gang at all until they hit San Denis, and kill Leo Bronte really if they didnt get screwed there they could have made a full comeback, and if our choices really mattered we could have just put 100,000 and some gold bars into the camp funds and called it a game
Didn't notice it how they actually developed that link between Dutch and these outlaw Indians in RDR2, guess I just didn't think much about it. But it makes sense that some of these young Indians would later on re-join with Dutch to keep up the fight and find some more young Indian men over time to join them. Dutch already knew how to manipulate them and so he probably just kept doing that to survive and with his name recognition, most probably already heard of his legend and so the motivation would be high from the start to join his crew.
i think javier realized at that point he didnt really know what to trust or believe anymore because he was only following orders, dutch took authur and john in which makes them brothers in a way and he didnt want to deal with the end result at that time because at that moment when they all aimed at eachother he knew he couldnt trust his family no more, so he took that chance to restart in mexico but all he knows what to do is kill and follow orders and has 0 family or fighting cause anymore so he became cold and feared in mexico as a bounty hunter who will take any job for the right price, and the army picked up on that and seen his skills and made him a personal hitman that allowed him to do as he please as long as he does the job knowing the hit he has on his head it was either he takes that option or die in mexico like how they set up john in rdr1 because its no doubt the mexican army is corrupt in rdr1 so i think its a high chance they gave him a deal and javier accepted it for his protection but also to keep him in watch if he doesnt follow up with orders
Javier DOES point his weapon at John and Arthur. This idea that people have that he doesn’t is literally just false. He's not hesitating, he's SLOWLY lowering the pistol instead of immediately pointing it. You can see him bringing it level at Arthur right before the cutscene fades away, and then when it switches to gameplay, he's literally pointing his gun right at the two of them when the Pinkertons start shooting.
@@tyler6602 The actor did make the scene. In interviews they talk about it really long and often. It's called motion capture, so the actors were needed to make the characters alive.
I personally feel bad for Bill. You can tell the whole game he just wants to be accepted and praised at the same level as Micah or Arthur. It’s also heavily implied he’s closeted and that shits gotta be toughhhh back then
One of the things that I wanted the most was a singleplayer campaign DLC in RDR II where Javier is the main character showing us his return to mexico. Maybe if RDR II was released in another time
many fans wanted a sort of Undead Nightmare 2 DLC but I would say for RDR2 a monster horror DLC would have been even cooler. because Saint Denis is the perfect environment to make the city feel like a scary Holloween monster game. the reason why I say this is because RDR2 already has that strange encounter with the vampire in Saint Denis at night. and near Van Horn, in that abandoned house, there is that scary monster with a boar pig face. also there are many scary face masks in the game. it would have also been cool to be used by evil enemy NPCs. one last thing, in the swamps near Saint Denis, you can also be jumped by scary Night Folk. imagine a DLC with them having an alternative storyline in which these Night Folk actually are powerful cultists that create scary monsters. create a demonic portal in which monsters come out. this would have been a perfect DLC idea.
I think Javier was a rebel because he wanted power then he met Dutch and had nothing better to do as he was stuck in the USA but follow him around. There was always something a little off about Javier to me like a darkness to him and he seen that in Dutch and figured he could learn from Dutch. Yeah he was loyal to the members of the gang as much as a rebel outlaw could be and while he harboured no ill will towards John and Arthur until the gang was at Beaver Hollow and he didn't wanna kill Arthur or John at that time he still chose to stand behind Dutch with that Fool Bill and those 2 Idiots Micah brought in which proves to me that darkness he had won over. When Dutch walked away and abandoned everyone his two most loyal pawns that were left well one was always a drunken fool (Bill) and the other went totally into the darkness (Javier). John says he went crazy in RDR1 and while that's probably true considering he became a MERC willing to turn against his own rebels for cash, he always had that darkness and I think if Dutch had not saved him in Guarma he would have probably abandoned the gang. His misguided sense of loyalty kept him around, It's why he was so bitchy towards Arthur and John when they grew a brain and realized Dutch was full of it.
It's interesting that Dutch is the catalyst of change and he himself preaches that change can't be fought, sort of like fate that is set in stone and so is change at least in RDR
It could be that with Arthur and John gone, Dutch's paranoia most likely would have shifted toe Javier and Bill. In my head canon, they either split off from Dutch in the immediate aftermath of Beaver Hollow - I'm sorry but it is unbelievable to me that if they were all a part of that family for years - to actually witness Dutch's lack of care for Susan's demise and how Dutch coldly held a gun on the 2 men he once called "son" had to shake them up on _some_ level. That both men had powers of introspection we learn by watching gang interactions in the first 3 chapters. Back to my main point - if they remained with Dutch much longer after the gang fractured, they would have seen Dutch's madness shift to looking at them with suspicion. For me, it makes more sense they left in the chaos of the escape from Roanoke Ridge, separately. A good meal and a good night's rest away from Dutch and Micahs poison could have brought at least one to their senses... that the thing about downward spirals, when you're caught in one, they are tough to see a way out of... but once you are out and the world calms down - you can recognize the chaos.
I think it would have been cool that in rdr1 if John was able to recruit Javier and Bill to hunt down Dutch kinda gta5 style, that would have been sick. Instead they took Dutch's side and died in the end because of it
Glad someone's finally addressed this because that's the most disappointing thing about RDR2, we don't learn jack squat about what happens to Dutch, Bill and Javier after John leaves the gang. We don't learn when or why Javier and Bill left, how Javier returned to Mexico and worked for the government, how Bill became a gang leader, or how Dutch became the leader of some Native Americans. During chapter 6 I thought that the Wapiti would probably turn out to be them, but then Charles leads them away and they go to Canada, so who were they and how did Dutch find them?
Not only Bill building and leading a game but taking over Fort Mercer which is full of Del Lobo's. That and it's implied that Bill and Javier kept in touch or knew where to find each other.
i feel like why would Egar Ross says to bring him dead or alive option like WHY?! i just dont know why i want my theory is that the fact he gave Javier a plea bargin..possibly..like idk why. but i have SOOOO MANY THEORIES!
RDR1 could've really done with a remake instead of just a remaster. I would have loved for them to redo some of the stuff in RDR1 with Bill, Dutch and Javier now that the history and context from RDR2 exists. It would and could have made so many scenes so much more powerful.
yeah, and Arthur could be mentioned, have some hallucination dream with Arthur and ad some of the gear and clothes of Arthur as well. like for example create even a story side mission in which Arthur has a hidden chest of items in New Austin lost when the gang was together over a decade ago and John finally finds it. maybe a cool unique revolver of Arthur or clothes. but regardless. since we finally do have a PC port coming this month, the modding community will probably do a lot of things with the game. ad cool new features and clothes.
I love Javier but he put up an act he started being rude to Charles asking what’s his problem and to use his brain and Javier said Javier:do you want to die? And Arthur said to Charles Arthur: We should’ve left him to die in gurama the little sack of shit. So Javier is probably a bad person after chapter 5 but came with an act and lost himself believing he was still a good person, the thing is I think at chapter 6 at the end he realised what he was kinda doing and didn’t shoot then after lost his mind.
Javier also seemed to have reason to be very trusting of Dutch, we can assume, based on the visible scar on his neck, that someone in either Mexico, but much more likely the US, had tried to slit Javier's throat, so Javier would obviously have been very cautious around Americans at the time, but Javier saw Dutch and felt really like Dutch was everything Javier strived to be, I mean for Christ Sake they found each other while both were stealing Chickens from the same coop. So Javier would likely have never doubted Dutch enough to ask him about anything over the plan..
I'm surprised nobody in the comments brought this up, but when Javier is in the final showdown & it seems like hes not pointing his gun directly at Arthur & John is because the actor for Javier kept doing the scene wrong. Javier is pointing his gun at them its canon.
Not really tho bc yes he took in a starving young lad but then instead of providing legitimate opportunities for him he indoctrinated him into his outlaw ways and basically holds the fact that he saved him over his head by demanding loyalty, even if he doesn’t outright say it he doesn’t have to. Then you realize the pattern that almost all of them joined the gang bc Dutch played the savior and helped them, the only exceptions being Micah which also explains why Micah sees the rest of the gang as weak. So then it begs the question was Dutch genuinely trying to be good or did he see an opportunity and play the savior role? This is perfectly shown in how he helps Eagle Flies too and Arthur realizes he sees how Dutch manipulated him his whole life
I love red dead redemption so much but everytime i beat rdr2 i kind of wish the original didnt exist. In my eyes the story is perfect but there is some wasted potential with the conclusion of certain characters stories. But at the end of the day im just yappin
Can you do a vid about why the feds wanted escuela alive. I tried looking for why but haven’t found a reason. Just know if you bring him in dead they comment on it, yet they didn’t care about bill that much, didn’t even want his body like escuela.
I understand why Karen went the route she went nobody seemed to care about when Sean died, Jack gets kidnapped and then Kieran is beheaded that’s hard on a 25, 26 year old
Hearing Javier trying to trivialize Dutch's murder of Heidi is what made me realize what a scoundrel he really is. I don't care how much Javier looked up to Dutch, at the end of the day, Dutch murdered an innocent woman in cold blood and there's no justifying it. It just took so long for guys like Javier and Arthur to see Dutch for the monster he really is because he was such an important figure in their lives.
@@adamfleming6272 Hence why echo chambers exist to cast out dissident voices. Thing is, back in the day you have to keep those in the group at all times to make 'em blind to your flaws.
I don't like that arthurs outfits and hats don't really look 1899. They look more early 1900s. Like 20s I wish they gave us alil more of a selection in the general stores and shops. I know each city had its own. Outfits. But I mean piecing it together. I hardly ever wear default clothing in any game I play.
Yk one thing that isnt mentioned about Javier and Mexico? In the 1800’s the US took basically the entire West away from Mexico, something that still bothers Mexicans TO THIS DAY, i wonder if Dutch used that as an angle to lock Javier into the gang
No Javier wouldn’t care about that, Mexicans were already treating each other like shit and Javier and his family were peasants to Allendes family and they tortured them just for asking for better wages. This is what caused Javier to become a revolutionary and then in America he meets a fellow revolutionary in Dutch which is why he admires him. It wouldn’t have anything to do with America and Mexicos relations
Javier in the first game made me feel basically nothing. I remember dealing with him fairly casually. Javier in RDR2 is great (though obviously still not a _good_ man) and I’d be happy to drink a few beers with him. Just a couple drinks… ________ LeNnYyYyyy! Found’ja Lenny!
Javier in RDR2 is extremely poorly utilized as a character. he seriously isn't used at all in later chapters of the game. or maybe he is but you don't even feel he is there. Charles is a much better character working with Arthur throughout the whole game and even with John in the epilogue. Charles was a badass character and very well developed. probably the best character development in the whole game after Arthur himself.
Javier doesn’t point his gun towards Arthur and John until the very last second, right before the lawmen start shooting. Javier was reluctant and hesitant up until that point- first he pointed the gun *away* from them at first, and then raised it to the sky after.
I honestly feel like we lost out on a lot of Javier and Bill content because the writers shoe horned John in way more than needed. We had an entire game and post game with John, and Arthur made him look like an incompetent idiot by comparison, we didn’t need more John.
I think rather than hang him, Javier got conscripted into military service to shore up our numbers for the impending World War I. I think Jack also joined the military to escape the law after killing Ross, leading to the two men reuniting for a World War I adventure during which Jack learns who his real father is… OK so I don’t think that’s actually what happened but I think it would make a pretty good game
How tf can one strive to be something, actually be it, but still somehow give off the personality of someone trying to be something they’re not? Maybe it’s cuz the only thing he TRULY believes in, is what Micah does: It doesn’t matter. No one cares. They all leave. It just doesn’t matter. The bad things impacts him more, so it must be the truth, is what he’s thinking. Apathy is the real main antagonist of this game. All the people in it just have massive boo-boos. Think about that, then look at every “bad guy” character in that light.
RDR2 kinda left the "they shot me and left me" plot point as an afterthought. Kinda just tacked on riiiight at the end in a way that was kinda dull because it's Arthur's story not his lol Also you're taking John's RDR1 words too seriously. He never saw Javier change at all. He was outta there right after that train job lmao
Where did Dutch go, fucking twice? He just goes silent & walks off screen. Easy to assume he gave up scheming since he was so bad at it, but what actually happened yknow?
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i dunno
maybe the mysterious man?
Sean please
Maybe a video on red dead revolver the game before red dead redemption 1
One of the girls of the gang
He was such an underutilized character, but he had that shit on him. (his gun, his clothes, his boots had the gold plates etc. he had an elegance that surpassed dutch’s)
he had the drip
That's because he's mexican mexicans are the original cowboys of North America, we taught Americans how to be cowboys, cowboy culture runs deeper in mexico than here in America. Gold and silver belts and guns are very normal in mexico
@@oralevato1841 oh yeah ofc my grandparents were very hispanic and i grew up watching westerns and also a cool little thing isbin the epilogue as john, in new austin when looting, the del lobos have the most valuables outta all the other gangs u fight
@@calebrodarte7888"Very Hispanic" ok bro
Always felt bad for Javier at the end in Beaverhollow, Javier is obviously torn between his brothers. Unlike Bill, Javier doesnt follow blindly he has intelligence and insight ultimately still siding with Dutch without really raising his gun towards his former brothers. Siding with Dutch here really was a terrible decision we can only speculate but i cannot see John hunting Javier down if he sided with John (more Arthur but still) John and Javier siding together getting out of there perhaps even with Bill there would have been a awesome scenario.
Bill also cares for Arthur but he didn't learn anything from the past events and decided to put blind loyalty over common sense
Javier was never conflicted. What game did you play. He was always like "Dutch is right" "stick by dutch" the entire game all he did was make excuses for dutch.
@@matthew4326Thank you for not putting an ounce of thought into neither the video nor OP's comment.
@@scrimpsy 😘
There’s a lot I can say about ur comment but imma just agree with the last thing u said about John not going after Javier, bc he was never actually ordered to go against him in the first place, he only does so bc Bill was still in contact with him and he knew he’d be with Javier, but when turning him in to Ross John asks “Can we assume one of my commitments is cleared” to which Fordham replies “until we have Williamson, nothing is cleared”. In case u don’t know what that’s implying it’s basically John asking if Javier is good enough instead of Bill but they reject it saying Bill is still a priority, basically making John turning Javier in for nothing except an extra head for Ross to claim
What happened was that he lost all his style, RIP Javier Rizzuala 🙏😔
Became a drunk and an opium user, you loose your drive to look good when your too busy fucked up. He flees back to Mexico and started working for the corrupt government as a hitman to earn bread. He lost his pride too
You get caught wearing a sombrero a COUPLE of times and people lose faith in your whole sense of style, thats brutal man 😂😂 but I second that hahaha
I always liked Javier, Bill too really. Bill always just seemed misunderstood to me, like he wanted to be accepted by the rest instead of ridiculed all the time. I think the actor who played Bill said he’d like to think that Bill would’ve joined John and Arthur if they had the chance to talk with him one on one.
Yoy know I was once in a stage production of clue and I was tasked with playing colonel mustard and as such I took inspiration from bill Williamson for how I played him
There's a ch 6 mission where argur and are alone and bill basically tells you shut up and trust dutch. This was before arthur knew he was a rat, but when John comes back saying dutch left him, and arthur knowing and telling the gang about Micah.
At least Javier is conflicted. I don't hate Bill, i even enjoy him at times because my hometown is full of idiots with an inferiority complex and it's funny. But that's all bill was I think, seemed like he just saw it as him moving up, instead of realizing that it was over.
@421less1 how do we know you're not one of those idiots 😂
@@MedroffYT because I couldn't like me less if I tried
@@421less1 being self depreciating is the new idiotic
On top of him aiming in the air at the end. He also missed all the drama before he ran over to say the pinkertons were on their way. So Arthur accusing Micah and John's return and claims Dutch left him were missed by Javier. He just saw Grimshaw get shot and Arthur and John vs the gang and took the gangs side.
Except the fact Javier was literally one of the men that left John to die along with Dutch. Replay the mission and you’ll see Javier’s cold expression as Micah and Dutch blatantly lie about John being killed. That’s also why John confronts him in rdr1 with “What you and Dutch did was wrong, the way you left me was wrong” and Javier just looks down with guilt knowing he screwed up. Plus Javier wasn’t one of John’s targets so John went after him out of revenge and hoping he can just turn him in instead of Bill so he can finally see his family
@@josephstalin2606he didn't go for revenge. escuella was helping bill, he went for information, but javier didn't sell him out. (even when he said to john that he could take him to bill, he was clearly lying because he lied about dutch being in colombia)
@@JavierEscuella1899 And then he immediately sells out Bill anyways the moment John lassos him 😂 He would’ve done anything to save his own skin, that’s why John doesn’t take it easy on him bc he sees right through his lies. You’re right about the sole reason him getting Javier isn’t JUST revenge, but there’s still the theme of it bc again, Javier isn’t actually a target but John went for Javier not just to get info, but to try and turn him in instead of Bill
That’s why when John hands Javier over to Fordham and Ross he asks them “Can we assume one of my commitments is cleared” AKA can Javier be taken in place of Bill or Dutch and Fordham rejects it saying “Until we have Williamson, nothing is cleared” and John is visibly angry bc now he still has to go after Bill and went thru the effort of handing Javier over for nothing
Now don’t forget, Javier LEFT John to DIE in RDR2, he’s seen expressionless behind Dutch as he lies to Arthur saying John was killed yet John reveals they straight up ditched him, just listen to the dialogue when he confronts Javier, he shows more hostility and anger towards Javier than he ever does to Bill or Dutch, Bill bc he was on the train and didn’t leave him to die then and Dutch bc of how he helped him take out Micah years later
Javier from RDR1 and Javier from RDR2 are completely different characters unfortunately.
It's why RDR1 needs a remake and not a remaster. When they originally made RDR1 none of the background and context of RDR2 was established aside from a gang existed and Dutch led it.
10:15 You can literally see during shootout with pinkertons how their two dots on the map seperate from others in different direction.
All of the gang members started to change after Hosea died.
Yah bc Hosea was basically the leader .once u see your leader or advisor die then u start losing hope .
I'd say he was more of an advisor and friend to Dutch than a leader. But was definitely a second father figure to some of the gang.
I hated how Arthur and Javier split towards the end. Javier was cool and slick, I loved the camp scene when he scares the shit out of Micah. When the only thing he would really say to you at beaver hollow was "What happened to loyalty?" that actually hurt.
I could see him leaving in the chaos after the Pinkerton attack. Like Charles nobody in the gang cared that he was hispanic, except Micah and probably Micah's two friends. He would default to Dutch in the standoff but I think Dutch leaving John and what the gang was now might have caused him to leave. At the beginning of the game he's willing to go look for John because "He'd do the same for me". The new gang wouldn't do that for him.
@@grumpy-wolfman That's a really good point. To the best of my knowledge, while Arthur had complained about how things were going, that was the first time he publicly challenged Dutch's authority. When Grimshaw killed Molly she criticizes Arthur who was trying to stop Dutch from killing her because that's the code. After Arthur throws out Strauss I believe it's Karen, could be someone else since I haven't played through the game in awhile, who asks him if he's going to throw them out too. Helping the Indians and not telling Dutch could also be seen as not putting the gang first. Not saying what Arthur did was wrong but I can see how other gang members could see them as him undermining Dutch and the gang.
It will probably never happen, but a Red Dead Revolución exploring Javier's backstory would be awesome. For those who don't know Red Dead Revolver was actually the first Red Dead game not Redemption, so it is possible we'll get a Red Dead spin-off game at some point.
Red Dead Revolución actually sounds really cool! I dont think it could be as large as rdr1 or 2, but maybe a shorter game that covers Javier’s history and how he found Dutch. Could also lead to other games that cover different gang members’s background
I feel like Rockstar needs to stray away from making any more games involving the Van Der Linde gang.
@@Nathator97 If anything, they should just do RDR1 remake and Javier's story being a DLC or something like that. It's not like he'd be in different areas than RDRs take place.
Red Dead Revolution is such a hard name
Red dead revolver is only a red dead game in name, other than cowboys it is completely separate
Hard to say if Javier and Bill regrouped with Dutch after Beaver Hollow or they fled the Pinkertons and Dutch never sought them out. He would have gotten the story about Micah from Bill and regardless of ending, Micah runs off with the money. Javier knows he had to avoid the remnants of the gang as they would either alert the authorities or shoot him on sight.
Great video. Interesting note: During the first train robbery mission Dutch asks the gang if they're ready and everyone replies "ready" but Javier replies "ready Dutch." I just found that interesting in light of your video. Cheers!
Javier is one of my favorite characters in rdr 2 after i knew more how to play.
I feel like in the end of Chapter 6, Maybe Javier could have changed his mind in the process of running away with Dutch then separated to catch up with Arthur and John and help John escape in the midst of climbing up the mountain.
But realistically thinking, they all separated and only cared on escaping the chaos and living from it.
highly doubt he would try and help John and even if he did, by the time he reached the cliff he would prob find John gone and maybe Arthur dead idk
I think his actor also said that if it wasn't for RDR1 forcing Javier to be against John, he thinks Javier would have joined Arthur and the rest of them. I feel like Bill could go either way
The quality of your videos are amazing! You deserve a lot more subscribers!
Aye, I appreciate that thank you! Honestly as long as you enjoy what i put out im happy
Love how you were playing Red Dead Revolver theme in the back ground brought it back to where it all started love it !!!
It isn’t hard to believe his change of character, he is obviously much more erratic after Guarma and that is evident by how he treats the other gang members at Beaver Hollow. He later helps Dutch leave John to die in Our Best Selves and doesn’t oppose to leaving Jack an orphan and Abigail in Pinkerton custody. This already shows that he has no qualms about leaving his brothers for money, he then ditches Dutch presumably with Bill since he isn’t present when Dutch and the remaining gang members shoot at John and Arthur. Then later in 1911 starts working for the Mexican Government by being a hitman for Allende which clearly opposes the views that Javier had in RDR2. Dude got a taste of money and ditched all his ideals. People change, especially over twelve years.
during the final standoff in rdr2, Javier was pointing his gun up and honestly Javier is one of my favorites and had the most drip.
but in the next shot, he has his gun pointed at them
This is honestly the most painful betrayal in the game as far I'm concerned. Because Javier dose care and we can clearly see that but when Rhodes or Gaurma hits? It's when he just...I don't know if he doubles down or he just is trying to avoid choosing between people he cares about.. But when he refuses to point his gun at Arthur and John or micha and dutch? That's honestly what hurt more than anything he's done. Not because of right or wrong but because it's very human to not want to choose between people who you care about.
Hey man keep it up we need more red dead creators never mind just content creators like uou
Everytime i see “bill… Javier…. Think for yourselves….” My heart skips a beat hoping the story miraculously changes and they side with aruthur
Literally just finished the last mission in Mexico and was going to bed when i saw this had just been posted lol
What if Allende's government used Javier's loved ones as a bargaining tool to force him to take down revolutionaries in the same way that the pinkertons used John to get to Javier,Bill and Dutch by taking Jack and Abigail?🤔
You should cover the the Callander Boys next 😁👍.
Callander Brothers are very interesting indeed and almost never talked about, as i commented previous on other content "Rockstar does plan ahead with events and characters like Heide McCort here. And they also do it in RDR2 in a very subtle way most people seem to forget with Mac and Davey Challander the brothers are mentioned quite alot through-out the story. They mysteriously die before RDR2 really starts as perhaps a perfect setup for future games perhaps even as main-characters like you can play multiple main-characters in GTA V. With members like Bill and others mentioning how much he misses them and that they were great, and members like Charles remembering them as pure outlaws and terrible people most likely having to do with the honor system every RDR game has."
@@theflyingdutchman1301 an especially good point when you consider another gang member died just before the story and we only hear about her like once
I think in the original the van Der linde gang was meant to be a lot more slimey similar to the O'Driscolls but this was overwritten by Red Dead 2
Also larger, in fact it was closer to the O'Driscoll Gang in terms of size with Blackwater killing about a dozen gang members instead of just Mac, Jenny, and Davey
It's never stated in RDR 1 the number of victims of the Blackwater Massacre. The whole "dozen dead gangmembers" stuff is a big-ass Mandela-Effect thing that some people seem to suffer.
@@b.u.l.1734 I thought it was just bad journalism also was it ever said in rdr 1 that it was Dutch's boys?
@@Makarosc Nope. That's in RDR 2.
Wish we got more of Javier in RDR2
I think we need the back story of all the other characters it could be one game where we play as multiple characters before and after we meet them in rdr2
See, this is probably the hottest take I have for RDR2, but I also believe there is some legitimate substance to it. I firmly believe that the Van Der Linde gang was too big for it's own good. Not just narratively, but functionally. By trying to fill out the ranks of the gang instead of fleshing out characters who are actually essential to the story, the writers end up having to artificially drum up tension for characters like Lenny and Sean, characters who were it not for the one or two dedicated missions together, would be completely meaningless to the player. Manwhile you have Bill and Javier, whom despite being large parts of the first game as unseen objectives, are treated almost exactly the same with almost no screentime. All in all it just feels like characters aren't given time to breath, like, you have to remind yourself that Abiagle, Jack, and Uncle even exist, while also trying to keep the names of the three girls straight. But hey, that's just my opinion.
I agree. The only notable characters in the gang that had any real substance or true character that made them feel more than just a “member” were Dutch, Arthur, John, Hosea, Micah-plus Sadie and Charles towards the later half of RDR2.
Everyone else in the gang kinda just felt “there”, especially the likes of Molly, Pearson, Uncle, Ms. Grimshaw and the rest of the women. Anything we know about a lot of other members is through small interactions at camp, a few of the side missions that don’t pertain to the story or whatever kind of RDR2 lore you can dive into.
But I do realize some characters weren’t meant to have big roles or characters that you knew all about. There’s a lot of mystery in RDR that is left to the player’s on interpretation- which is something I think Rockstar did intentionally.
I thought the same and hotter take it completely butchers RDR1’s storyline. The idea that Hosea and Arthur aren’t even mentioned despite functioning as co-leaders by anyone else is far fetched at best. Never mind John himself saying it was a small ruthless gang and yet there are like 20 people involved that we see and it’s implied they were even bigger prior and again no mention either
@@Mr92094 Yep. The gang was a lot bigger than it was in RDR2. I believe they lost at least 2-3 members in Blackwater right before RDR2 started.
That was obviously the story they were trying to tell. Javier and Bill werent even huge parts of the first game. As targets, yes but they still took a backseat to Bonnie, West Dickens, Irish, Seth, the entire Mexican cast including the girl that dies for Reyes. All of them are much more active in the story without even touching on Ross, Dutch and Johns family.
@@Mr92094 it doesnt really. Nobody ever mentions specifics, just broad strokes. Going off the first game alone, we really have no idea about any of it other than Dutch went crazy and John got shot on the riverboat and left for dead. We assumed for years it all took place on the riverboat (it probably was intended) but its never elaborated on.
The whole premise of RDR1 was tying off the loose ends from the gang. That there was more to it originally doesnt change that. Some people just like to complain I guess
to be fair they are all killers, its dutches gaslighting that messes up the players pov…even if youre a high honor player you still kill people…youre in a gang of outlaws😂
Well duh you’re not a good person,but an honorable one at that, depends how you play too, you could be a menace and die a menace 😂
I actually like how Arthur is forced to kill because he following Dutch out of loyalty, I imagine Arthur hates killing but only does it because he’s good at it. Hosea Sums up Arthur’s battle in life “ sometimes good men do bad things” it’s gotta be tough being an outlaw when deep down you’re a good man.
@@Woozie87 idk if he hates killing or hurting- he grew up rough im sure its a way to blow off steam - that and his art
@@pm.meowth4850 he surely wasn’t proud of it and tells Mary Beth that he pretty much feels a lot of guilt over the killing over the course of the game
i always found javier a interesting character. too bad he did not get too much screen time on rdr2.
A Javier DLC would be amazing.
Shieeeeeeeet.
Perhaps instead of John we could have been given control of Javier for the epilogue of rfr2
I like yo think that canonically John arrests Javier and Reyas knowing that he needs a powerful ally and being rhe selfish liar that he is free's and recruits Javier giving him a new cause
PS: I dont understand why people think the entirety of RDR2 is the downfall of The Van Der Linde gang it was filled with highs and lows for them since Blackwater, thinks seem real bleak during cpt.1 then things are great during cpt.3 halfway to cpt.4 things really dont start to fall apart for the gang at all until they hit San Denis, and kill Leo Bronte really if they didnt get screwed there they could have made a full comeback, and if our choices really mattered we could have just put 100,000 and some gold bars into the camp funds and called it a game
Didn't notice it how they actually developed that link between Dutch and these outlaw Indians in RDR2, guess I just didn't think much about it. But it makes sense that some of these young Indians would later on re-join with Dutch to keep up the fight and find some more young Indian men over time to join them. Dutch already knew how to manipulate them and so he probably just kept doing that to survive and with his name recognition, most probably already heard of his legend and so the motivation would be high from the start to join his crew.
i think javier realized at that point he didnt really know what to trust or believe anymore because he was only following orders, dutch took authur and john in which makes them brothers in a way and he didnt want to deal with the end result at that time because at that moment when they all aimed at eachother he knew he couldnt trust his family no more, so he took that chance to restart in mexico but all he knows what to do is kill and follow orders and has 0 family or fighting cause anymore so he became cold and feared in mexico as a bounty hunter who will take any job for the right price, and the army picked up on that and seen his skills and made him a personal hitman that allowed him to do as he please as long as he does the job knowing the hit he has on his head it was either he takes that option or die in mexico like how they set up john in rdr1 because its no doubt the mexican army is corrupt in rdr1 so i think its a high chance they gave him a deal and javier accepted it for his protection but also to keep him in watch if he doesnt follow up with orders
Javier grew up a hero but became a villain after his family fell apart, sad story for him
Javier DOES point his weapon at John and Arthur. This idea that people have that he doesn’t is literally just false. He's not hesitating, he's SLOWLY lowering the pistol instead of immediately pointing it. You can see him bringing it level at Arthur right before the cutscene fades away, and then when it switches to gameplay, he's literally pointing his gun right at the two of them when the Pinkertons start shooting.
Everybody says that, because the actor of Javier himself said that he didn't point his gun at the two in a interview.
yea false go watch it on ur own and actor who played said he never aimed at them so I’ll take his word over a random guy who’s spewing whatever
@@tyler6602 The actor did make the scene. In interviews they talk about it really long and often. It's called motion capture, so the actors were needed to make the characters alive.
I personally feel bad for Bill. You can tell the whole game he just wants to be accepted and praised at the same level as Micah or Arthur. It’s also heavily implied he’s closeted and that shits gotta be toughhhh back then
One of the things that I wanted the most was a singleplayer campaign DLC in RDR II where Javier is the main character showing us his return to mexico. Maybe if RDR II was released in another time
many fans wanted a sort of Undead Nightmare 2 DLC but I would say for RDR2 a monster horror DLC would have been even cooler.
because Saint Denis is the perfect environment to make the city feel like a scary Holloween monster game.
the reason why I say this is because RDR2 already has that strange encounter with the vampire in Saint Denis at night.
and near Van Horn, in that abandoned house, there is that scary monster with a boar pig face.
also there are many scary face masks in the game. it would have also been cool to be used by evil enemy NPCs.
one last thing, in the swamps near Saint Denis, you can also be jumped by scary Night Folk. imagine a DLC with them having an alternative storyline in which these Night Folk actually are powerful cultists that create scary monsters. create a demonic portal in which monsters come out.
this would have been a perfect DLC idea.
I think Javier was a rebel because he wanted power then he met Dutch and had nothing better to do as he was stuck in the USA but follow him around. There was always something a little off about Javier to me like a darkness to him and he seen that in Dutch and figured he could learn from Dutch. Yeah he was loyal to the members of the gang as much as a rebel outlaw could be and while he harboured no ill will towards John and Arthur until the gang was at Beaver Hollow and he didn't wanna kill Arthur or John at that time he still chose to stand behind Dutch with that Fool Bill and those 2 Idiots Micah brought in which proves to me that darkness he had won over. When Dutch walked away and abandoned everyone his two most loyal pawns that were left well one was always a drunken fool (Bill) and the other went totally into the darkness (Javier).
John says he went crazy in RDR1 and while that's probably true considering he became a MERC willing to turn against his own rebels for cash, he always had that darkness and I think if Dutch had not saved him in Guarma he would have probably abandoned the gang. His misguided sense of loyalty kept him around, It's why he was so bitchy towards Arthur and John when they grew a brain and realized Dutch was full of it.
It's interesting that Dutch is the catalyst of change and he himself preaches that change can't be fought, sort of like fate that is set in stone and so is change at least in RDR
I went home. That’s what happened.
It could be that with Arthur and John gone, Dutch's paranoia most likely would have shifted toe Javier and Bill. In my head canon, they either split off from Dutch in the immediate aftermath of Beaver Hollow - I'm sorry but it is unbelievable to me that if they were all a part of that family for years - to actually witness Dutch's lack of care for Susan's demise and how Dutch coldly held a gun on the 2 men he once called "son" had to shake them up on _some_ level. That both men had powers of introspection we learn by watching gang interactions in the first 3 chapters. Back to my main point - if they remained with Dutch much longer after the gang fractured, they would have seen Dutch's madness shift to looking at them with suspicion. For me, it makes more sense they left in the chaos of the escape from Roanoke Ridge, separately. A good meal and a good night's rest away from Dutch and Micahs poison could have brought at least one to their senses... that the thing about downward spirals, when you're caught in one, they are tough to see a way out of... but once you are out and the world calms down - you can recognize the chaos.
I think it would have been cool that in rdr1 if John was able to recruit Javier and Bill to hunt down Dutch kinda gta5 style, that would have been sick. Instead they took Dutch's side and died in the end because of it
Glad someone's finally addressed this because that's the most disappointing thing about RDR2, we don't learn jack squat about what happens to Dutch, Bill and Javier after John leaves the gang. We don't learn when or why Javier and Bill left, how Javier returned to Mexico and worked for the government, how Bill became a gang leader, or how Dutch became the leader of some Native Americans. During chapter 6 I thought that the Wapiti would probably turn out to be them, but then Charles leads them away and they go to Canada, so who were they and how did Dutch find them?
Not only Bill building and leading a game but taking over Fort Mercer which is full of Del Lobo's. That and it's implied that Bill and Javier kept in touch or knew where to find each other.
these videos need more love
i feel like why would Egar Ross says to bring him dead or alive option like WHY?! i just dont know why i want my theory is that the fact he gave Javier a plea bargin..possibly..like idk why. but i have SOOOO MANY THEORIES!
RDR1 could've really done with a remake instead of just a remaster. I would have loved for them to redo some of the stuff in RDR1 with Bill, Dutch and Javier now that the history and context from RDR2 exists.
It would and could have made so many scenes so much more powerful.
yeah, and Arthur could be mentioned, have some hallucination dream with Arthur and ad some of the gear and clothes of Arthur as well.
like for example create even a story side mission in which Arthur has a hidden chest of items in New Austin lost when the gang was together over a decade ago and John finally finds it. maybe a cool unique revolver of Arthur or clothes.
but regardless. since we finally do have a PC port coming this month, the modding community will probably do a lot of things with the game. ad cool new features and clothes.
I love Javier but he put up an act he started being rude to Charles asking what’s his problem and to use his brain and Javier said Javier:do you want to die? And Arthur said to Charles Arthur: We should’ve left him to die in gurama the little sack of shit. So Javier is probably a bad person after chapter 5 but came with an act and lost himself believing he was still a good person, the thing is I think at chapter 6 at the end he realised what he was kinda doing and didn’t shoot then after lost his mind.
Javier also seemed to have reason to be very trusting of Dutch, we can assume, based on the visible scar on his neck, that someone in either Mexico, but much more likely the US, had tried to slit Javier's throat, so Javier would obviously have been very cautious around Americans at the time, but Javier saw Dutch and felt really like Dutch was everything Javier strived to be, I mean for Christ Sake they found each other while both were stealing Chickens from the same coop. So Javier would likely have never doubted Dutch enough to ask him about anything over the plan..
I'm surprised nobody in the comments brought this up, but when Javier is in the final showdown & it seems like hes not pointing his gun directly at Arthur & John is because the actor for Javier kept doing the scene wrong. Javier is pointing his gun at them its canon.
The way dutch took Javier into gang shows that the REAL Dutch was in fact good man.
Key word is "was"
No, Javier was just easy to control, easy to pull to his side
@@thenappyheadskater5235 Real Dutch I said didn't I?
Not really tho bc yes he took in a starving young lad but then instead of providing legitimate opportunities for him he indoctrinated him into his outlaw ways and basically holds the fact that he saved him over his head by demanding loyalty, even if he doesn’t outright say it he doesn’t have to. Then you realize the pattern that almost all of them joined the gang bc Dutch played the savior and helped them, the only exceptions being Micah which also explains why Micah sees the rest of the gang as weak. So then it begs the question was Dutch genuinely trying to be good or did he see an opportunity and play the savior role? This is perfectly shown in how he helps Eagle Flies too and Arthur realizes he sees how Dutch manipulated him his whole life
Just because he wasn't racist to one person he was a good man?
Pretty low bar.
I love red dead redemption so much but everytime i beat rdr2 i kind of wish the original didnt exist. In my eyes the story is perfect but there is some wasted potential with the conclusion of certain characters stories. But at the end of the day im just yappin
to save 17 minutes from the video
john finds him in mexico and can either capture him without killing him or kill him
You should make more videos focused on rdr1 characters, I think Seth would make a good video
Read my mind. I was actually thinking the same thing the other day.
I wonder what he thought when he heard about Arthur's death
Javier Mexico DLC would have went so hard!
Yeah right..
WE NEED A RED DEAD MOVIE OR TV SERIES
Hell no
Just thought why didn’t Javier and bill stay with Dutch
they need single player dlc that are just tales of the gang before hand
DLC? in 2024? We don't do that here, now fork over all of your money for GTA Online, gringo.
Could you make a "What If Colm didnt get killed and saw the Monster Dutch Became in rdr1"?
Dumb speculation. So useless.
Can you do a vid about why the feds wanted escuela alive. I tried looking for why but haven’t found a reason. Just know if you bring him in dead they comment on it, yet they didn’t care about bill that much, didn’t even want his body like escuela.
I understand why Karen went the route she went nobody seemed to care about when Sean died, Jack gets kidnapped and then Kieran is beheaded that’s hard on a 25, 26 year old
Thank you for realizing people still have not played rdr2 or 1 yet
Hearing Javier trying to trivialize Dutch's murder of Heidi is what made me realize what a scoundrel he really is. I don't care how much Javier looked up to Dutch, at the end of the day, Dutch murdered an innocent woman in cold blood and there's no justifying it. It just took so long for guys like Javier and Arthur to see Dutch for the monster he really is because he was such an important figure in their lives.
@@adamfleming6272 Hence why echo chambers exist to cast out dissident voices. Thing is, back in the day you have to keep those in the group at all times to make 'em blind to your flaws.
I don't like that arthurs outfits and hats don't really look 1899. They look more early 1900s. Like 20s I wish they gave us alil more of a selection in the general stores and shops. I know each city had its own. Outfits. But I mean piecing it together. I hardly ever wear default clothing in any game I play.
Lore of What happened to Javier after Red Dead Redemption 2? Momentum 100
You should cover Rip Van Winkle next April 🙏🙏
Yk one thing that isnt mentioned about Javier and Mexico? In the 1800’s the US took basically the entire West away from Mexico, something that still bothers Mexicans TO THIS DAY, i wonder if Dutch used that as an angle to lock Javier into the gang
No Javier wouldn’t care about that, Mexicans were already treating each other like shit and Javier and his family were peasants to Allendes family and they tortured them just for asking for better wages. This is what caused Javier to become a revolutionary and then in America he meets a fellow revolutionary in Dutch which is why he admires him. It wouldn’t have anything to do with America and Mexicos relations
Javier in the first game made me feel basically nothing. I remember dealing with him fairly casually.
Javier in RDR2 is great (though obviously still not a _good_ man) and I’d be happy to drink a few beers with him.
Just a couple drinks…
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LeNnYyYyyy! Found’ja Lenny!
Javier in RDR2 is extremely poorly utilized as a character.
he seriously isn't used at all in later chapters of the game. or maybe he is but you don't even feel he is there.
Charles is a much better character working with Arthur throughout the whole game and even with John in the epilogue.
Charles was a badass character and very well developed. probably the best character development in the whole game after Arthur himself.
Javier does in fact point his gun at arthur and john, common misconception.
Javier doesn’t point his gun towards Arthur and John until the very last second, right before the lawmen start shooting. Javier was reluctant and hesitant up until that point- first he pointed the gun *away* from them at first, and then raised it to the sky after.
No he doesn't he pints it the air
Javier red dead 2: the finest mexican
Javier red dead 1: speedy gonzales
if rdr2 was made first javier would've definitely sided with john and arthur
they shouldn’t have made him so likeable tbh. i just wanna know how he became so crooked inbetween 2 and 1
@alexhodder4918 i think his actor in rdr2 was just gave a performance that made javier seem like a genuine good guy
He's such a cool character, shame he went for oppression rather than liberation of the weak.
he was already a killer cowpoke
Javier was a cool dude, shame he dove head-first into Low Honor.
He fucking dies
Javier was a HIMOTHY SIDE CHARACTER🥶🥶🥶
Hope in RDR3 Javier is more utilized.
Like what, Javier as a street urchin?
Can u make a vid on if Jack got shipped to italy
What is there to possibly be talked about? Nobody knows or can predict how things would’ve turned out if Jack got shipped off. 💀🤣
The poor horses 15:45
I honestly feel like we lost out on a lot of Javier and Bill content because the writers shoe horned John in way more than needed. We had an entire game and post game with John, and Arthur made him look like an incompetent idiot by comparison, we didn’t need more John.
I think rather than hang him, Javier got conscripted into military service to shore up our numbers for the impending World War I. I think Jack also joined the military to escape the law after killing Ross, leading to the two men reuniting for a World War I adventure during which Jack learns who his real father is…
OK so I don’t think that’s actually what happened but I think it would make a pretty good game
so tempting to watch but im waiting for rdr to drop on pc lol cant watch cause of spoilers lol have to come back after lol
6:57 captain De Santa!?
How tf can one strive to be something, actually be it, but still somehow give off the personality of someone trying to be something they’re not? Maybe it’s cuz the only thing he TRULY believes in, is what Micah does: It doesn’t matter. No one cares. They all leave. It just doesn’t matter. The bad things impacts him more, so it must be the truth, is what he’s thinking. Apathy is the real main antagonist of this game. All the people in it just have massive boo-boos. Think about that, then look at every “bad guy” character in that light.
@CynicGTA could u do a Playthrough of rdr2
im learning spanish so i don't need subtitles and i can insult the people in guarma in spanish
What a great and well made video!!
Hello brother ummm it is good to see you
Javier dlc please
Story dlc
RDR2 kinda left the "they shot me and left me" plot point as an afterthought. Kinda just tacked on riiiight at the end in a way that was kinda dull because it's Arthur's story not his lol
Also you're taking John's RDR1 words too seriously. He never saw Javier change at all. He was outta there right after that train job lmao
Do Kieran next
No such thing as spoilers 6yrs in. Either you played it or you didn't. And if you haven't, you're never gonna.
Where did Dutch go, fucking twice? He just goes silent & walks off screen. Easy to assume he gave up scheming since he was so bad at it, but what actually happened yknow?
3:25 😂😅 what a pshyco
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13:15 note for myself
How does music on 0:48 called?
its called riding into ambarino in rdr2
@@arnaubasulto4448 couldnt find it