It's a long one, have some time stamps. 1:41 Battery dimensions and price 4:27 New cell size 6:16 XC5.0 6:26 CP3.0 6:59 XC6.0 7:32 XC8.0 8:44 Samsung 30T vs 40T cell differences. 9:32 HD12.0 15:27 HD12.0 in a high torque 10:55 battery ranking 15:57 our suggestions. Our conclusions apply to 1/2" M18 models (so far), working on and researching for this video after seeing these results caused us to rethink our perceptions on these tools like maybe you are right now. The fact may be that decent sized Milwaukee M18 batteries were already "too good" for compact, mid torque and high torque impacts to see a huge gain from these new HO batteries. This has caused us to want to find an M18 1" impact and see if that's where the tables turn. But for now, we're taking a break on Milwaukee as we have lots of cool tools on the bench you'll want to see coming up!
Flat out info and the opposite of shouting. I dig it. I'd bought a couple 3.0 to make a lighter package for my M18 Mid Gen2, and now I can use it with full confidence knowing there's only a tiny penalty for the significant size/weight savings vs. the 6.0 and 8.0 I already had. Thanks for a great video and keep it up!
just wondering how many medium size bolts, maybe tyre lug nuts the 3ah can handle before it start dying? any experience? im weighing which to get now. 3ah enough or more.
Y'all helped a lot of people on this one. That 1/2 impact is a hell of a tool and it's nice to know the older 5.0 XC's still put down around 95% of the power of the 6.0 High Outputs
Good to see some data to back me up in deciding to run 3.0s on my impact. I always keep a fully charged 6.0 on standby in case something is super stuck though. It had made the difference for me in the past so I wasn’t surprised when that one topped out the torque test
We have 6.0 and 8.0 for our 1/2 inch impacts and thats absolutely accurate. Those 6.0 are better than those 8.0. We no longer use 8.0 just 6.0 and we put in hundreds of 12 inch 3/8 lag bolts daily. The 5.0 are kinda ho hum doing it. But definitely 6.0 are kick ass.
Totally agree here. I noticed that my 6.0 HO batteries outperformed any other (8 and 9), except the 12. But their power seems the same, only that the 12 will last a bit longer. But if we consider the ratio weigh/performance, the 6 is the best of all (for me).
People seem to think the Amp HOUR number on the side of the battery indicates how much power output it has. Negative. That just indicates the amount of run time it should give respectively. The output all depends on the Amp rating of the cells used, and what type of work they are being required to give.
What's interesting is that as a general rule, lithium batteries are a trade off when it comes to amp hour rating vs power output. A high amp hour lithium cell generally has a lower power output, whereas a lower amp hour lithium cell will usually have a higher power output. This probably doesnt affect milwaukee stuff since they get a larger amp hour rating by just increasing case size and using more 18650 cells.
@@MegaDysart I know the M18 regular XC 3.0, 4.0, and 5.0 all are identical size, so the difference must be the specific 18650s used. Not sure if the 5.0 would output more or less than the 3.0 would
More excellent "myth-busting"! I try to explain for people the difference between power density and output measurements but nobody cares much to listen. You've done a killer job here of laying out the difference between two popular battery packaging technologies and how those big marketing numbers really play into the "usability equation". Looks like there are some clear advantages, just not as many as Milwaukee would have us believe. I've tried. pulling up information like this before to help explain some basic electrical principals and this is by far the best summary out there for power tools. I especially appreciate the columns where you break down price per gain or price per ft/lb. Very useful information there!
This is utterly fantastic and I am so appreciative of all your work, guys! All my 5.0s are all aged out, and while I take care of my battery packs they are getting long in the tooth. The constituent cell construction of the 6.0 is appealing considering cost and output delivery. Thanks, lads!
Upgraded from an older 18v kit. th-cam.com/users/postUgkxW1vOBRCMrgTCDEijzpVzDWsgI-Jm2iQv I independently chose the drill and impact tool, before I came across the kit.I like the 3 speed impact gun. It seems more powerful than my older one, and it can be set to be really gentle. The drill is more appropriately sized for my use. I used to have a hammer drill, but I did not like that it was so big and it was not a great hammer drill. I rather have a smaller drill like this, and then get a corded hammer drill for the odd case I need that.
Funny thing is, being a sparky, and enjoying the principals of electronics as a hobby, and vehicle mechanics because I am cheap, I ended up doing this exact test about a year ago. I had the xc 4.0 batteries, and they were on their last legs, not able to give enough torque to the m18 mid-torque impact to remove a strut bolt, so I went out and bought the 6.0 two pack instead of the 12.0 single. I am glad that I made the right choice, based solely on battery style rather than sheer size. All said, I guess you could say that the 6.0 is like better fuel in a smaller tank and the 12.0 is like slightly crappier fuel in big tank.
@@larrytate1657 it would be. Bigger tank. But, I can be charging one 6.0 and using the other instead of having to wait... Unless you have a few 12.0 batteries, in which case, you're a richer man than I.
You’re absolutely right! Higher capacity has a trade off - which is max amp draw. I found the same thing. The 6.0HO is the workhorse, and 12.0 for my table saw and high draw tools.
Quality content, excellent unbiased and comprehensive 👍🏽 I don't think I will be upgrading to the HO batteries, unless my XC/HD batteries with 18650 cells were to fail outside their warranty period.
ALWAYS wait for sales and stay inform so you don’t have to pay the Milwaukee premium, I got the 2767-20 for $165, the 12.0 batteries at $115, just got to stay informed
I go to northern tool normally. You can get 100$ of a kit if you but a 14.99 accessories such as bits or something that you will use anyway. So a 360$ tool kit cost 275$ with two batteries and a charger and you get a bit set or whatever with it. The also do military discount if you qualify for it
Thank you gentlemen for doing these. I value where my money goes and how much tool I get for it. Plus I know this isn’t exactly cheap for you guys. I appreciate it
I am glad to see a difference in tool performance using different batteries, it backs up one of my experiences with them. I have actually experienced a situation where my xc 5.0 would not touch the exhaust manifold to crossover pipe bolts on a old truck, and I put my HO8.0 on and it took everyone of them off with just a couple of impacts. So, even though the difference is minimal it actually has been enough to make a difference, at least in one application in my experience.
I believe higher capacity cells often have lower max current outputs, so since the 6.0 and 8.0 batteries have the same layout it makes sense that the 8.0 would have slightly less power output.
But I bet after a couple of lug nuts, the 8.0 would produce more power as it maintains the same voltage for longer. So I guess for the weekend warrior, 6.0. Mechanic 8.0
Great analysis. Cell chemistry/quality are and always have been a huge factor. The balance between capacity and amp output is widely misunderstood. It's not at all surprising when you look at the cells in detail. It was the reason that NiMH cells never really made it to prime time on power tools. NiCads had much higher amp drain capacity. Nice work!
dude amazing amazing content. I purchased the new mid torque recently and have a pair of 6.0s to work with. i found out only afterward that the 6 and the 8 are the same size and felt like i got screwed over, but it seems like i made the right decision!
As an older, wiser tradesman I love this channel. You guys do a superb job and so well done. I get more understanding here than any other tool review channels. Best2U Always
Fantastic channel and analysis. I agree with your statements. I have AEG (Ridgid) tools and the grinder or chainsaw are almost useless with the old original 5ah batteries but the new "Force" 3 and 6ah batteries provide plenty of power. On the impact wrench is difference is far less dramatic.
Awesome test. Hats off. I just subscribed. Most tool review channel don't understand the difference between amps and amp/hours. I would love to see a similar test with these batteries using a direct drive tool like a circular saw.
Excellent video. I looked for the Ridgid test but couldn't find it. BTW, I'm an automotive instructor. I'm going to add your channel to my syllabus. Excellent information.
The major difference comes in extremely extended run time.. I work in heavy equipment repair, and mainly do use the 6.0 ah batteries. Now, my 5.0 Batts will do most of the time, but occasionally with very rusted junk, need to up to a heavier battery. And it isn't always the first couple seconds that cracks it loose. I do believe the compumatation crap going on in the tool itself also matters. Cause trust me, most of the time it takes quite a bit longer than 15 seconds to crank on the bolts holding some of this crap together.
I absolutely can tell a difference in battery sizes in the first 3 seconds of using the tool, but not much difference after that. I’m super happy to see that reflected in your tests!
Now I know why the 6.0 batteries are just as expensive as the 8.0 batteries online. Had $2600 worth of Milwaukee tools stolen from me at work (several 9.0ah, one 6.0ah and a bunch of tools) and I preferred the 6.0 to any other battery I owned. So now that I'm rebuilding my tool arsenal, I figured I would replace the 9.0 and 6.0 batteries with 8.0's, especially if they are the same price. Now I'm kind of wishing I would have gotten mostly 6.0 batteries.
Since I do not wrench everyday for a job or use my impacts daily I usually just buy the tool only and buy a good knock off from Amazon. They work fine for what I need but I would not count on them if I was using the tool every day. Thanks for sharing
Some of the best 18650 and 21700 battery cells are made by samsung and molicel. They have some of the highest safe amperage draws and the batteries are well crafted. I know this because I vape and had to learn a lot about batteries. Intriguing that my Milwaukee tools use samsung batteries
I love this video so much!! Finally a video to prove my touths!! When I tell people that they will not have a huge gain in performance just because they get a higher amp battery, they look at me like if I'm an alien or so.... It's like you swap your fuel tank from a 50 Liter to a 100 Liter tank, will your car get more horsepower??
The best indicator of a battery's power is the weight compared to Amp hours. The way to make a battery deliver more power (at the same Ah), is to cramp more material into it, thus making it heavier. Many times, you can see from the weight alone that they are lying about Ah and/or power output (C rating).
Ok here is for me: I use the Milwaukee blowers, and every time the 8.0 last several minutes more than the 6.0 And I noticed the difference cuz I use both of them at the same time, one on each hand. I alway ended up dropping the 6.0 blower and the difference is significant to be honest.
A friend of mine has a tyre business, and uses, on average, 6 cordless impact wrenches on a fairly continuous work cycle. At first, he used the Milwaukee 18V high torque, type, which perform very well, but after a few months use he was having problems with the battery connections. Because of the design of the battery attachment and contacts, the vibration was causing the contact between battery and body to become loose, causing arcing and burning of the contacts. After having several units repaired under warranty, he decided to try the DeWalt DCF899, which I had been using without any problems. He has now changed over completely to these. Although they are marginally less powerful, they have been totally reliable.
i have a friend who also has a bunch of high torque and he and his staffs use bunch of them all day with the HD 9.0 batteries and drop them all the time and no issue for years, they use them 6 days a week.
Cool you just saved me some money was thinking of getting another 8.0 now just gonna look at the 6.0's. Since I don't usually keep the trigger held more than 5 seconds to break anything free. The first burst of power is what I'm looking for to rip fasteners off. If I come across a new 12.0 at a good price then maybe I'll pick one up. TX for your reviews
I was also deciding between the 6.0 and 8.0. The only other thing I’m considering is that the 8.0 would stay at 4 bars and 3 bars longer than the 6.0 would. It would be interesting to see the power difference between a 6.0 with 2 bars of charge VS an 8.0 with 3 bars of charge, since that would be a very real world conditions test
@@ezrawaters6653 I'm sure the 8 would stay charged longer based on the actual batteries used in the pack vs the 6 as far as power decrease at lower bars the edge still might go to the 6 over the 8 based on the cell being used. If your a weekend warrior mechanic like myself and only use your impact in short bursts for fasteners on projects here and there then based on what we saw on his test and info on the cells being used the 6 and obviously the 12 give you the biggest boost. On the other hand if your using the batteries on other platforms like a leaf blower or saw the highest output pack should give you more run time. So I guess it depends on what best fits your needs. Knowing what I know now I'd just pick up 2 6.0's for my mid torque and save some money. Be interesting to see someone on youtube test the 6, 8 and the 12 head to head on a reverse breakaway fastener rig in the 600+ foot pound range with a mid-range Milwaukee.
@@ezrawaters6653 Report back when you get your battery upgrade. I don't know what your going to be running it on, but you should get a better gain in performance with either one. To be honest I mainly run it with the HO 3.0 for it's light weight and compact dimensions plus it's put's down the same power as the 5. I only bust out the 8.0 when I know I have more heavy duty fasteners that I may have to remove off pickup trucks, but I rarely use it since the 3.0 can handle most of the fasteners I come across so the 8 just chills out in my carry bag as a backup 🤣, but it's comforting to know I have it there just incase👍
@@johnny4713ify I ended up getting a 2 pack of the HO 6.0s at Rural King for $199. I was tempted to get them from Amazon for $165, but shipping would’ve taken 2 weeks, and the description said they may or may not arrive in original retail packaging 😅. So I decided to pay the extra $35 to get them in an actual retail store. So far they’re great. I use them on the 3/8 drive Gen 2 mid torque, 4 1/2 in grinder, orbital sander, 6 1/2 in circular saw, 2863-20 1/2 high torque, leaf blower, and once the grass grows again I’ll use them to supplement my 12.0 on the string trimmer. Across the board I can notice small improvements over a 5.0. I can use the grinder harder without bogging down etc
Hands down favorite battery is the hd9.0, wish they hadn't discontinued them, in my experience yes the 21700 cells put out higher amps, but all of my 21700 packs have had significantly shorter lifespans and the added size really isn't worth the higher amps
They had a terrible warranty rate. Its 3000mah 18650 cells stacked 5s3p. We still have one at work. If we are using a high drain tool, usually the string trimmer, it will overheat before its empty. For the big batteries we have it is easily the least useful one.
Once in a blue moon, you can get the 8.0 and 12.0 for dirt cheap. I got my pair for $150. And I use the crap out of em. The only thing I don't use my 12.0 on that often, is my M18 fan, due to the height of the battery being too tall for the fan to sit on its base properly.
Nice test In real life it still matter because bigger battery stays at 4 and 3 bar way longer My stubby was at 2 bar and will not remove the bolt pop a fully charged one and it removed it no problem But this is more apparent in the m12 line they drop voltage fast
Just finished watching after work nice conclusions well done 👍 the voltage is important the faster the motor turns the more impact per minute it does Test it with a 2 bar battery Each time a use my high torque and it can't unscrew a fasterner the battery is at one bar the difference vs a full batt is pretty big
@@legros731 I agree, this has me thinking about if I should get the 6.0 or 8.0. The 6.0 puts out more power than the 8.0 when both are fully charged, but the 8.0 would stay at 4 and 3 bars for longer. It would be interesting to compare say the 6.0 at 2 bars vs the 8.0 at 3 bars, since that would be as real world as it gets
Good stuff to know. Glad I chose the XC 6.0s when I got into these tools a couple of years ago. Would like to get a couple of CP 3.0s to make my drill and driver a little less awkward on/ in my toolbelt.
I just saw a video that said DeWalt is releasing “Milwaukee killers” in their impact line. I can’t wait to see if dewalt is stepping up their game or if it’s just marketing wank.
The 6.0 is for sure a game changer over the 2.0. I've got both and using them on my impact driver is shocking difference. The 2.0 is fine, but the 6.0 brings it into a 18v tool almost.
Great video! I"m looking to add some batteries to my XC4.0 batteries that are about 5yrs old, and I was hoping to get a couple HO CP3.0 batteries. Since I have a mid-torque impact wrench for working on my 2004 Silverado as well as a Surge impact driver and a hammer drill, it looks like I need... a XC6.0 for the mid-torque, and the CP3.0 for the others. Dang it, you're costing me more money!
If you want battery test difference, use the chainsaw. That one can draw enough power to count even for 9 and 12Ah. You will see extreme difference. You will be able to use 12s and 9s for big logs, while 5Ah and lesser will work fine only on low diameter branches. Impacts are not power-hungry compared to many other tools, not that relevant as a simple test. In a power test we want to be able to drain the highest possible power, not a limited amount. The vacuum cleaner is also an excellent way to drain Milwaukee batteries of all drops of power - this is good for actual capacity check.
I know the XC 5.0 batteries overheat pretty quick when used with the metal cutting circular saw from Milwaukee and it really needs the high output batteries to run it continuously without having to stop and let the batteries cool down.
Great video, I’m feeling pretty good about my 6AH’s now. Didn’t realize they have different cells. Recently I had to use my drill driver to start a snowblower motor because the pull string broke. The 2ah XC had problems and would stop&quit flashing its lights fully charged. But the 6AH powered though no problem delivering impressively torque to start the motor. Now I’m wondering if the 3AH you used in this test would have been adequate. At any rate I’m glad I have the new 3’s as well. Thanks for doing this, again great vid!
I never had any issues with the old 5.0 batteries. Even on honda crank bolts with my 1400 ft. pound 1/2 inch impact. That thing after awhile is close to 1000 ft. pounds so I'm good with the 5.0.
The gen 2 mid torque doesn't take full advantage the extra available amp as the High Torque does from a 5 to a 6 H Output can hear and feel the difference.. it seems to stabilize the voltage better under continuous load.. frim to 5 to 9 amp on my 3/4 definitely gives abit more punch.. surely not 50% but just enough where it consistently breaks 1-7/8 Nuts where the 5 XC did once
Years ago I bought a kit with the 1/2 and 3/8s impacts. The first gen I think, 450 claimed ft lbs for the 1/2. They came with 2 AH compact batteries and they were extremely disappointing in regards to the breaking loose power. Especially the 1/2 inch. I bought a 6.0 HO a while back and it really did make them a lot better. Still pretty pathetic compared to the newer stuff but at least they will take the wheels off of something bigger than a kia. I would have more team red tools if they had sold me tools with a battery capable of running the tool. I have bought 1 used 3/8 drill and that's it, only because of how big of a let down my first experience was. I just go for the snap-on air gun in the shop.
Hi! Wonderful Battery Shootout! Going Forward, for me, I'd like to stock up on 6.0's then for my Milwaukee Items from AMAZON or anyone selling M18's lower than HDeep. And of course I'll except a "close out" deal from an Estate Yard Sale on a Heaven Resting Late Father's set of 4 M18 5.0's all day long.
Had a bolt that would budge with a fully charged 5.0 M18. My friend had a 9.0 out of a string trimmer. I put it on the gun just for giggles. It then removed the bolt like it wasn’t even tight!
AM I RIGHT IN SAYING ON THIS VIDEO THAT I SAW THE MILWAUKEE HIGH TORQUE MADE 801 POUND PER FEET . SO IS THIS THE FIRST 1/2 INCH IMPACT TO MAKE OVER 800 POUND PER FEET ON YOUR CHANNEL AND NOT SMA'S IMPACT GUN IF SO I AM DEFINITELY GOING TO BUY THE 3/4 MILWAUKEE HIGH TORQUE AND ADD A BIG 12 AMP BATTERY... WITH A BIGGER HAMMER THAN THE 1/2 HIGH TORQUE I AM ALMOST CERTAIN THIS COMBINATION SHOULD HAVE MORE TORQUE EVEN IF IN SHORT BURSTS??? LOVE THIS CHANNEL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The 12aH battery isn't really designed for using in this tool. It is for the other tools like a chainsaw, table saw or miter saw that is going to need a longer duration.
Well, that's very informative test, thanks alot bro, that's a really helpful test for me since i have the 5, 8 and 12 Ah, it would be more intersting if it has been tested in hammer drill or grinder though, keep the great work, cheers!
I know my duga-duga gun (Milwaukee C18 IW) doesn't work to loosen the lugnuts on my car when using a 2.0Ah battery (From a M18 BDD-202), but the 5.0Ah works just fine.
I have a blue-point pneumatic and was seriously thinking of jumping into the milwaukee family for "light" impact work. I saw a Bosch Freak (1/2" with 1/4" hex inside the anvil) and figured i'll give it a try since i also have a 5 y/o brushless combo hamer/drill i use all the time and have a few batteries for anyway. It came with a 2.0Ah (18650 cell) battery and advertised 150ft/lbs, but it had trouble taking off a car lug nut that was torqued down to 135ft/lbs. That was disappointing, but it felt like a totally different machine when i put on a old 6.0Ah (18650 cell) battery which was able to take off all the lug nuts. Then!!! Two weeks later i saw Lowe's had a kit with both a Freak, Combo drill, AND two 4.0Ah Core batteries (21700 cells) for $142. That was a no brainer. I was amazed the 4.0 Core battery was able to make the lug nuts fly right off, noticable more power than even the 6.0Ah battery. That would be a nice test to see as well
It's a long one, have some time stamps. 1:41 Battery dimensions and price 4:27 New cell size 6:16 XC5.0 6:26 CP3.0 6:59 XC6.0 7:32 XC8.0 8:44 Samsung 30T vs 40T cell differences. 9:32 HD12.0 15:27 HD12.0 in a high torque 10:55 battery ranking 15:57 our suggestions.
Our conclusions apply to 1/2" M18 models (so far), working on and researching for this video after seeing these results caused us to rethink our perceptions on these tools like maybe you are right now. The fact may be that decent sized Milwaukee M18 batteries were already "too good" for compact, mid torque and high torque impacts to see a huge gain from these new HO batteries. This has caused us to want to find an M18 1" impact and see if that's where the tables turn. But for now, we're taking a break on Milwaukee as we have lots of cool tools on the bench you'll want to see coming up!
Good sirs, you should pin this comment to the top. :D
This is absolutely nothing to do with using this tool on a job
Forge please. Wanna know if I should buy it for my mid-torque.
What about CP1.5 and CP2.0?
The Best All around battery for the 18v fuel Hackzall is the High Output 6ah battery?
Besides the forge....
Flat out info and the opposite of shouting. I dig it. I'd bought a couple 3.0 to make a lighter package for my M18 Mid Gen2, and now I can use it with full confidence knowing there's only a tiny penalty for the significant size/weight savings vs. the 6.0 and 8.0 I already had. Thanks for a great video and keep it up!
Opposite of shouting😂😂😂😂 I know who and what you mean🤝
Vince
Lol the shouting bit got me 🤣
Only a 3.0? I guess if that works for you. Im going with a 6.0 but Im muscular so I can handle the weight easy.
just wondering how many medium size bolts, maybe tyre lug nuts the 3ah can handle before it start dying? any experience? im weighing which to get now. 3ah enough or more.
This channel is getting better and better!
Y'all helped a lot of people on this one. That 1/2 impact is a hell of a tool and it's nice to know the older 5.0 XC's still put down around 95% of the power of the 6.0 High Outputs
Good to see some data to back me up in deciding to run 3.0s on my impact. I always keep a fully charged 6.0 on standby in case something is super stuck though. It had made the difference for me in the past so I wasn’t surprised when that one topped out the torque test
So that's why the 12 was better in breaking out the lugs on my son's truck. More quick power. Thanks for the video
We have 6.0 and 8.0 for our 1/2 inch impacts and thats absolutely accurate. Those 6.0 are better than those 8.0. We no longer use 8.0 just 6.0 and we put in hundreds of 12 inch 3/8 lag bolts daily.
The 5.0 are kinda ho hum doing it. But definitely 6.0 are kick ass.
Totally agree here. I noticed that my 6.0 HO batteries outperformed any other (8 and 9), except the 12. But their power seems the same, only that the 12 will last a bit longer. But if we consider the ratio weigh/performance, the 6 is the best of all (for me).
This channel is underrated! I highly appreciate your effort in pointing out the paper tech aspects vs. actual use. More reviews please!
People seem to think the Amp HOUR number on the side of the battery indicates how much power output it has. Negative. That just indicates the amount of run time it should give respectively. The output all depends on the Amp rating of the cells used, and what type of work they are being required to give.
Aka C rating
What's interesting is that as a general rule, lithium batteries are a trade off when it comes to amp hour rating vs power output. A high amp hour lithium cell generally has a lower power output, whereas a lower amp hour lithium cell will usually have a higher power output. This probably doesnt affect milwaukee stuff since they get a larger amp hour rating by just increasing case size and using more 18650 cells.
@@MegaDysart I know the M18 regular XC 3.0, 4.0, and 5.0 all are identical size, so the difference must be the specific 18650s used. Not sure if the 5.0 would output more or less than the 3.0 would
Thank you. I have said this same thing. The electric motor will pull what it can pull.
EXACTLY MATE ! Are you and I REALLY the ONLY ones that realise this ?
More excellent "myth-busting"! I try to explain for people the difference between power density and output measurements but nobody cares much to listen. You've done a killer job here of laying out the difference between two popular battery packaging technologies and how those big marketing numbers really play into the "usability equation". Looks like there are some clear advantages, just not as many as Milwaukee would have us believe.
I've tried. pulling up information like this before to help explain some basic electrical principals and this is by far the best summary out there for power tools. I especially appreciate the columns where you break down price per gain or price per ft/lb. Very useful information there!
Thank you! We're not experts, but try to put out data and maybe make sense of it sometimes
@@TorqueTestChannel nice
This is utterly fantastic and I am so appreciative of all your work, guys! All my 5.0s are all aged out, and while I take care of my battery packs they are getting long in the tooth. The constituent cell construction of the 6.0 is appealing considering cost and output delivery.
Thanks, lads!
Upgraded from an older 18v kit. th-cam.com/users/postUgkxW1vOBRCMrgTCDEijzpVzDWsgI-Jm2iQv I independently chose the drill and impact tool, before I came across the kit.I like the 3 speed impact gun. It seems more powerful than my older one, and it can be set to be really gentle. The drill is more appropriately sized for my use. I used to have a hammer drill, but I did not like that it was so big and it was not a great hammer drill. I rather have a smaller drill like this, and then get a corded hammer drill for the odd case I need that.
Ahhhh. Live moving graphs are the bees knees. 😂 thanks for another awesome vid!
If this channel is ever big enough to need a comment moderator, you're it Tsunauticus. Def our OG #1 fan :)
@@TorqueTestChannel lol I appreciate it. You have an awesome channel here.
@@TorqueTestChannel “ever gets big enough” just keep pumping the videos out! You’ll be there in the next 4 months!
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I can always count on you guys to give me the information I'm looking for. Always my go to channel for real testing!
Funny thing is, being a sparky, and enjoying the principals of electronics as a hobby, and vehicle mechanics because I am cheap, I ended up doing this exact test about a year ago. I had the xc 4.0 batteries, and they were on their last legs, not able to give enough torque to the m18 mid-torque impact to remove a strut bolt, so I went out and bought the 6.0 two pack instead of the 12.0 single. I am glad that I made the right choice, based solely on battery style rather than sheer size.
All said, I guess you could say that the 6.0 is like better fuel in a smaller tank and the 12.0 is like slightly crappier fuel in big tank.
The 12.0 is a beast in my blower. As far as Run time.
@@larrytate1657 it would be. Bigger tank. But, I can be charging one 6.0 and using the other instead of having to wait... Unless you have a few 12.0 batteries, in which case, you're a richer man than I.
i have a 8 and a 6, i how ever still like the 5 the best, strictly because the size isnt so forward. makes it easier when using shorter sockets
You’re absolutely right! Higher capacity has a trade off - which is max amp draw. I found the same thing.
The 6.0HO is the workhorse, and 12.0 for my table saw and high draw tools.
Quality content, excellent unbiased and comprehensive 👍🏽 I don't think I will be upgrading to the HO batteries, unless my XC/HD batteries with 18650 cells were to fail outside their warranty period.
i have an XC and there's a difference in run time vs my 4.0. I just looked and the XC is 54Wh vs 72Wh on the 4.0.
ALWAYS wait for sales and stay inform so you don’t have to pay the Milwaukee premium, I got the 2767-20 for $165, the 12.0 batteries at $115, just got to stay informed
What tool sales websites give out these great sale prices? Never seen these low prices at HD
I go to northern tool normally. You can get 100$ of a kit if you but a 14.99 accessories such as bits or something that you will use anyway. So a 360$ tool kit cost 275$ with two batteries and a charger and you get a bit set or whatever with it. The also do military discount if you qualify for it
Couldn’t come at a better time! I was literally looking for this information today.
Thank you gentlemen for doing these. I value where my money goes and how much tool I get for it. Plus I know this isn’t exactly cheap for you guys. I appreciate it
I am glad to see a difference in tool performance using different batteries, it backs up one of my experiences with them. I have actually experienced a situation where my xc 5.0 would not touch the exhaust manifold to crossover pipe bolts on a old truck, and I put my HO8.0 on and it took everyone of them off with just a couple of impacts. So, even though the difference is minimal it actually has been enough to make a difference, at least in one application in my experience.
We agree, there's situations in real life life siezed parts and rust a dyno would never pick up and show you. Manifolds are great examples.
I believe higher capacity cells often have lower max current outputs, so since the 6.0 and 8.0 batteries have the same layout it makes sense that the 8.0 would have slightly less power output.
But I bet after a couple of lug nuts, the 8.0 would produce more power as it maintains the same voltage for longer. So I guess for the weekend warrior, 6.0. Mechanic 8.0
Great analysis. Cell chemistry/quality are and always have been a huge factor. The balance between capacity and amp output is widely misunderstood. It's not at all surprising when you look at the cells in detail. It was the reason that NiMH cells never really made it to prime time on power tools. NiCads had much higher amp drain capacity. Nice work!
Looking forward to seeing the Octane vs regular Li-Ion Ridgid batteries!
dude amazing amazing content. I purchased the new mid torque recently and have a pair of 6.0s to work with. i found out only afterward that the 6 and the 8 are the same size and felt like i got screwed over, but it seems like i made the right decision!
Best. Explanation. Ever.
As an older, wiser tradesman I love this channel. You guys do a superb job and so well done. I get more understanding here than any other tool review channels. Best2U Always
Well I’ll be dipped!! Good thing I bought the 6.0 👌🏽
Fantastic channel and analysis. I agree with your statements. I have AEG (Ridgid) tools and the grinder or chainsaw are almost useless with the old original 5ah batteries but the new "Force" 3 and 6ah batteries provide plenty of power. On the impact wrench is difference is far less dramatic.
Awesome test. Hats off. I just subscribed. Most tool review channel don't understand the difference between amps and amp/hours. I would love to see a similar test with these batteries using a direct drive tool like a circular saw.
It’s awesome how deep research you did this. You just saved me some money
Excellent video. I looked for the Ridgid test but couldn't find it.
BTW, I'm an automotive instructor. I'm going to add your channel to my syllabus. Excellent information.
That's awesome. Rigid's coming up, that was just a sneak peak of very recent testing.
The major difference comes in extremely extended run time.. I work in heavy equipment repair, and mainly do use the 6.0 ah batteries. Now, my 5.0 Batts will do most of the time, but occasionally with very rusted junk, need to up to a heavier battery. And it isn't always the first couple seconds that cracks it loose. I do believe the compumatation crap going on in the tool itself also matters. Cause trust me, most of the time it takes quite a bit longer than 15 seconds to crank on the bolts holding some of this crap together.
This is EXACTLY what I was wondering. It seems that a lower number of cells is ok as long as it produces an equal number of amps
I absolutely can tell a difference in battery sizes in the first 3 seconds of using the tool, but not much difference after that. I’m super happy to see that reflected in your tests!
tell that to my ex-wife. freggin size queen.
I’m not a Milwaukee fan just starting to buy them but the 5 is the best for the dollar.
Now I know why the 6.0 batteries are just as expensive as the 8.0 batteries online. Had $2600 worth of Milwaukee tools stolen from me at work (several 9.0ah, one 6.0ah and a bunch of tools) and I preferred the 6.0 to any other battery I owned. So now that I'm rebuilding my tool arsenal, I figured I would replace the 9.0 and 6.0 batteries with 8.0's, especially if they are the same price. Now I'm kind of wishing I would have gotten mostly 6.0 batteries.
Since I do not wrench everyday for a job or use my impacts daily I usually just buy the tool only and buy a good knock off from Amazon. They work fine for what I need but I would not count on them if I was using the tool every day. Thanks for sharing
Some of the best 18650 and 21700 battery cells are made by samsung and molicel. They have some of the highest safe amperage draws and the batteries are well crafted. I know this because I vape and had to learn a lot about batteries. Intriguing that my Milwaukee tools use samsung batteries
I love this video so much!! Finally a video to prove my touths!!
When I tell people that they will not have a huge gain in performance just because they get a higher amp battery, they look at me like if I'm an alien or so....
It's like you swap your fuel tank from a 50 Liter to a 100 Liter tank, will your car get more horsepower??
The best indicator of a battery's power is the weight compared to Amp hours. The way to make a battery deliver more power (at the same Ah), is to cramp more material into it, thus making it heavier. Many times, you can see from the weight alone that they are lying about Ah and/or power output (C rating).
Ok here is for me:
I use the Milwaukee blowers, and every time the 8.0 last several minutes more than the 6.0
And I noticed the difference cuz I use both of them at the same time, one on each hand.
I alway ended up dropping the 6.0 blower and the difference is significant to be honest.
Thanks i was curious how the 6 and 8 would differ in the leaf blower application.
This was a great video. Very informative and helped me realize that I don't need the biggest battery possible for the tools I'm using. Thank you.
A friend of mine has a tyre business, and uses, on average, 6 cordless impact wrenches on a fairly continuous work cycle. At first, he used the Milwaukee 18V high torque, type, which perform very well, but after a few months use he was having problems with the battery connections. Because of the design of the battery attachment and contacts, the vibration was causing the contact between battery and body to become loose, causing arcing and burning of the contacts. After having several units repaired under warranty, he decided to try the DeWalt DCF899, which I had been using without any problems. He has now changed over completely to these. Although they are marginally less powerful, they have been totally reliable.
i have a friend who also has a bunch of high torque and he and his staffs use bunch of them all day with the HD 9.0 batteries and drop them all the time
and no issue for years, they use them 6 days a week.
love your videos, so far you've covered every possible thought or idea that i had while watching
Great video from what I see is the 6.0 is better value for the money if you need some more torque. I will definitely be saving some money.
Cool you just saved me some money was thinking of getting another 8.0 now just gonna look at the 6.0's. Since I don't usually keep the trigger held more than 5 seconds to break anything free. The first burst of power is what I'm looking for to rip fasteners off. If I come across a new 12.0 at a good price then maybe I'll pick one up. TX for your reviews
I was also deciding between the 6.0 and 8.0. The only other thing I’m considering is that the 8.0 would stay at 4 bars and 3 bars longer than the 6.0 would. It would be interesting to see the power difference between a 6.0 with 2 bars of charge VS an 8.0 with 3 bars of charge, since that would be a very real world conditions test
@@ezrawaters6653 I'm sure the 8 would stay charged longer based on the actual batteries used in the pack vs the 6 as far as power decrease at lower bars the edge still might go to the 6 over the 8 based on the cell being used. If your a weekend warrior mechanic like myself and only use your impact in short bursts for fasteners on projects here and there then based on what we saw on his test and info on the cells being used the 6 and obviously the 12 give you the biggest boost. On the other hand if your using the batteries on other platforms like a leaf blower or saw the highest output pack should give you more run time. So I guess it depends on what best fits your needs. Knowing what I know now I'd just pick up 2 6.0's for my mid torque and save some money. Be interesting to see someone on youtube test the 6, 8 and the 12 head to head on a reverse breakaway fastener rig in the 600+ foot pound range with a mid-range Milwaukee.
@@johnny4713ify great info!! I agree
@@ezrawaters6653 Report back when you get your battery upgrade. I don't know what your going to be running it on, but you should get a better gain in performance with either one. To be honest I mainly run it with the HO 3.0 for it's light weight and compact dimensions plus it's put's down the same power as the 5. I only bust out the 8.0 when I know I have more heavy duty fasteners that I may have to remove off pickup trucks, but I rarely use it since the 3.0 can handle most of the fasteners I come across so the 8 just chills out in my carry bag as a backup 🤣, but it's comforting to know I have it there just incase👍
@@johnny4713ify I ended up getting a 2 pack of the HO 6.0s at Rural King for $199. I was tempted to get them from Amazon for $165, but shipping would’ve taken 2 weeks, and the description said they may or may not arrive in original retail packaging 😅. So I decided to pay the extra $35 to get them in an actual retail store. So far they’re great. I use them on the 3/8 drive Gen 2 mid torque, 4 1/2 in grinder, orbital sander, 6 1/2 in circular saw, 2863-20 1/2 high torque, leaf blower, and once the grass grows again I’ll use them to supplement my 12.0 on the string trimmer. Across the board I can notice small improvements over a 5.0. I can use the grinder harder without bogging down etc
Hands down favorite battery is the hd9.0, wish they hadn't discontinued them, in my experience yes the 21700 cells put out higher amps, but all of my 21700 packs have had significantly shorter lifespans and the added size really isn't worth the higher amps
They had a terrible warranty rate. Its 3000mah 18650 cells stacked 5s3p. We still have one at work. If we are using a high drain tool, usually the string trimmer, it will overheat before its empty. For the big batteries we have it is easily the least useful one.
The 3.0s have it all, power and light weight!
Wow so glad I watched this! I was about to buy a ho 8.0 thinking it was the same size/weight as the 6.0
It is roughly the same size and weight
@@TorqueTestChannel yes, but the price is different and the performance is similar, actually a bit worse for the 8. Huge surprise!
Subscribed. Well I'm getting the 6.0 then instead of the 8.0
Excellent video!
Thank you for putting it together
So glad I seen this video, I was about to bite the bullet and buy 2-8.0 batteries instead of 2-6.0 batteries
Me starting this video after buying a 12.0 for my impact…..
Love this channel! Would love to see ryobi compared to hart/HF and some of the other budget brands
Next Wednesday :)
Once in a blue moon, you can get the 8.0 and 12.0 for dirt cheap. I got my pair for $150. And I use the crap out of em. The only thing I don't use my 12.0 on that often, is my M18 fan, due to the height of the battery being too tall for the fan to sit on its base properly.
Nice test
In real life it still matter because bigger battery stays at 4 and 3 bar way longer
My stubby was at 2 bar and will not remove the bolt pop a fully charged one and it removed it no problem
But this is more apparent in the m12 line they drop voltage fast
Just finished watching after work nice conclusions well done 👍
the voltage is important the faster the motor turns the more impact per minute it does
Test it with a 2 bar battery
Each time a use my high torque and it can't unscrew a fasterner the battery is at one bar
the difference vs a full batt is pretty big
@@legros731 I agree, this has me thinking about if I should get the 6.0 or 8.0. The 6.0 puts out more power than the 8.0 when both are fully charged, but the 8.0 would stay at 4 and 3 bars for longer. It would be interesting to compare say the 6.0 at 2 bars vs the 8.0 at 3 bars, since that would be as real world as it gets
Good stuff to know. Glad I chose the XC 6.0s when I got into these tools a couple of years ago. Would like to get a couple of CP 3.0s to make my drill and driver a little less awkward on/ in my toolbelt.
Excellent analysis! I absolutely love your videos! keep'em coming
Very informative, great job, keep up the good work!!
Can you do this for the m12 line?
We're just about Milwaukee'd out, seeing red in our dreams. But we'll add it to the docket for a later date!
I just saw a video that said DeWalt is releasing “Milwaukee killers” in their impact line. I can’t wait to see if dewalt is stepping up their game or if it’s just marketing wank.
@@TsunauticusIV We'll find out! That new 400ft-lb compact is at the top of our list. As soon as you see one for sale let us know!
The 6.0 is for sure a game changer over the 2.0. I've got both and using them on my impact driver is shocking difference. The 2.0 is fine, but the 6.0 brings it into a 18v tool almost.
@@TsunauticusIV new 12v 3/8 impact rated at 400 removal torque and has a 5.0 battery with all the mac features on it now (diff plastic and rubberized)
Another great video. Wish I could give more then just one like per video. Looking forward to the two follow-up tests.
Great video! I"m looking to add some batteries to my XC4.0 batteries that are about 5yrs old, and I was hoping to get a couple HO CP3.0 batteries. Since I have a mid-torque impact wrench for working on my 2004 Silverado as well as a Surge impact driver and a hammer drill, it looks like I need... a XC6.0 for the mid-torque, and the CP3.0 for the others. Dang it, you're costing me more money!
$179 at Home Depot for that 2 battery pack
I just found this channel and love it. Awesome stuff man!!!!
Makes sense the 1inch drive with a 3.0 will make more power then the 1/2 with 12.0 Still interesting to see the difference on same tool.
If you want battery test difference, use the chainsaw. That one can draw enough power to count even for 9 and 12Ah. You will see extreme difference. You will be able to use 12s and 9s for big logs, while 5Ah and lesser will work fine only on low diameter branches. Impacts are not power-hungry compared to many other tools, not that relevant as a simple test. In a power test we want to be able to drain the highest possible power, not a limited amount. The vacuum cleaner is also an excellent way to drain Milwaukee batteries of all drops of power - this is good for actual capacity check.
I used the 5Ah on the saw and it died real fast.
I know the XC 5.0 batteries overheat pretty quick when used with the metal cutting circular saw from Milwaukee and it really needs the high output batteries to run it continuously without having to stop and let the batteries cool down.
This is very informative. Unfortunately, manufacturer can switch battery cell supply anytime whenever they can find a cheaper deal.
Should have included the M18 CP2.0 battery since that is the battery Milwaukee includes in some kits with the mid-torque impact wrench
Just subbed, can't wait to see what you have in store. Great video btw!
Awesome! Thank you!
Great video, I’m feeling pretty good about my 6AH’s now. Didn’t realize they have different cells. Recently I had to use my drill driver to start a snowblower motor because the pull string broke. The 2ah XC had problems and would stop&quit flashing its lights fully charged. But the 6AH powered though no problem delivering impressively torque to start the motor. Now I’m wondering if the 3AH you used in this test would have been adequate. At any rate I’m glad I have the new 3’s as well. Thanks for doing this, again great vid!
+1 for ridgid octane line vs brushless & lipo
I never had any issues with the old 5.0 batteries. Even on honda crank bolts with my 1400 ft. pound 1/2 inch impact. That thing after awhile is close to 1000 ft. pounds so I'm good with the 5.0.
Can we test a partially discharged battery vs a fully charged one? I think that would be very insightful.
Should have done this test on a high torq 1/2 or 3/4 gun that have bigger motors that demand more power.
would've loved to see the 9.0 on this chart but i guess the 8.0 kinda stands in for it. just wanted to see it cause i own 4 of them
The gen 2 mid torque doesn't take full advantage the extra available amp as the High Torque does from a 5 to a 6 H Output can hear and feel the difference.. it seems to stabilize the voltage better under continuous load.. frim to 5 to 9 amp on my 3/4 definitely gives abit more punch.. surely not 50% but just enough where it consistently breaks 1-7/8 Nuts where the 5 XC did once
I feel like it matters a lot more on the M12 stuff than the M18 stuff. Which makes sense.
Years ago I bought a kit with the 1/2 and 3/8s impacts. The first gen I think, 450 claimed ft lbs for the 1/2. They came with 2 AH compact batteries and they were extremely disappointing in regards to the breaking loose power. Especially the 1/2 inch. I bought a 6.0 HO a while back and it really did make them a lot better. Still pretty pathetic compared to the newer stuff but at least they will take the wheels off of something bigger than a kia. I would have more team red tools if they had sold me tools with a battery capable of running the tool. I have bought 1 used 3/8 drill and that's it, only because of how big of a let down my first experience was. I just go for the snap-on air gun in the shop.
Dude! I was thinking this except M12!
Quality content bro keep it up
great video, thanks for all the info, keep them coming.
Great video bud. Your definitely helping me with my purchase. Thanks
Hi! Wonderful Battery Shootout! Going Forward, for me, I'd like to stock up on 6.0's then for my Milwaukee Items from AMAZON or anyone selling M18's lower than HDeep. And of course I'll except a "close out" deal from an Estate Yard Sale on a Heaven Resting Late Father's set of 4 M18 5.0's all day long.
Had a bolt that would budge with a fully charged 5.0 M18. My friend had a 9.0 out of a string trimmer. I put it on the gun just for giggles. It then removed the bolt like it wasn’t even tight!
Great work, brother.
Hey thanks. We appreciate it
AM I RIGHT IN SAYING ON THIS VIDEO THAT I SAW THE MILWAUKEE HIGH TORQUE MADE 801 POUND PER FEET . SO IS THIS THE FIRST 1/2 INCH IMPACT TO MAKE OVER 800 POUND PER FEET ON YOUR CHANNEL AND NOT SMA'S IMPACT GUN IF SO I AM DEFINITELY GOING TO BUY THE 3/4 MILWAUKEE HIGH TORQUE AND ADD A BIG 12 AMP BATTERY... WITH A BIGGER HAMMER THAN THE 1/2 HIGH TORQUE I AM ALMOST CERTAIN THIS COMBINATION SHOULD HAVE MORE TORQUE EVEN IF IN SHORT BURSTS??? LOVE THIS CHANNEL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The 12aH battery isn't really designed for using in this tool. It is for the other tools like a chainsaw, table saw or miter saw that is going to need a longer duration.
Well, that's very informative test, thanks alot bro, that's a really helpful test for me since i have the 5, 8 and 12 Ah, it would be more intersting if it has been tested in hammer drill or grinder though, keep the great work, cheers!
This is God's work. Thank you for everything you do?
Very well made video, thanks!
Great video as always gents!
I know my duga-duga gun (Milwaukee C18 IW) doesn't work to loosen the lugnuts on my car when using a 2.0Ah battery (From a M18 BDD-202), but the 5.0Ah works just fine.
great, thanks for the valuable information you have given.
Thanks for showing and explaining the battery’s
So going off of the mindset “price to performance,” the 6.0 is the battery to stock up on.
I have a blue-point pneumatic and was seriously thinking of jumping into the milwaukee family for "light" impact work.
I saw a Bosch Freak (1/2" with 1/4" hex inside the anvil) and figured i'll give it a try since i also have a 5 y/o brushless combo hamer/drill i use all the time and have a few batteries for anyway. It came with a 2.0Ah (18650 cell) battery and advertised 150ft/lbs, but it had trouble taking off a car lug nut that was torqued down to 135ft/lbs. That was disappointing, but it felt like a totally different machine when i put on a old 6.0Ah (18650 cell) battery which was able to take off all the lug nuts. Then!!! Two weeks later i saw Lowe's had a kit with both a Freak, Combo drill, AND two 4.0Ah Core batteries (21700 cells) for $142. That was a no brainer. I was amazed the 4.0 Core battery was able to make the lug nuts fly right off, noticable more power than even the 6.0Ah battery.
That would be a nice test to see as well
This is some high quality video..