Do N64 Games Look better with HDMI? Super 64 Review!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ก.ย. 2024
- An easy way to upscale your Nintendo 64 games is finally here! But is it awesome? Let's find out and talk about the product, its features, and check out some game play comparisons.
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Slight visible improvement but not worth the price tag imo. I'll keep playing on the crt for now.
@80/90s Last of the great decades I have the same setup and as far as I'm concerned it can't be beat. (Except by the UltraHDMI maybe)
@@jakedadoge1820 Not at all. Before I modded my N64 for RGB I used a monster S-Video cable on a CRT and it looks great. Better than those cheapo cables for sure.
$150 for 480P?! Are they having a laugh? I'll gladly go with the $29 option all day long! Great video btw :)
@@symetik9625 I doubt it but thanks for your concern 😂😂
@Donny Nightmare Erin is not showing the limited colors with induced eye strain from S-Video because it's converted by a digital signal over TH-cam. Anything digital is better.
@@symetik9625 It has a digital processor. Class dismissed. XD
@@symetik9625 how would regular RCA video cables kill it please explain lol.
@ emulation is not real hardware, it does not count
Sadly i don't see any improvement what so ever
Same here
It was sharper looking blocks of polygons xD. Its a low poly system it wasnt gonna get that good an upgrade at 480p but i might still get it just to have it hooked up to my lcd tv
I mean that's my Eyes
Seems like a RIP off for 150 lol
I'm betting money it's more an issue of when you're going to be playing N64 games on an HD TV. I recall playing Playstation games on my 1080p TV with AV inputs and it looked like garbage compared to how it looked on my old CRT TV. I haven't used the thing she is talking about but I'm sure it's just a device to help the N64 "adapt" to the TV you're trying to play it on.
The Super 64 makes the N64 games look how you remember them instead of how they actually were. I'm thinking about looking into this. Thanks Erin!
well said
@@chancepaladin Thanks
I never really had a problem with N64 on an HDTV. I might, however, try this out. Thanks for letting us know. After all, you can't enjoy the graphics not to mention the genius behind.... Superman 64. Mind-blowing!!
Wave Race 64 for background music? I've always loved that tune
it cost to much and from this video I really didn't see a difference. I stick to emulating the n64 on my iMac at 1080p until they come out with something similar to a 1080 video signal.
This is for people who want to have the original experience on original hardware. No one is expecting to get 1080p on a 1996 console with an adapter. You just want a less blurry, more detailed picture.
$150 is a bit much for an upscaler, even if it looks better than Hyperkin's cable. I saw MetalJesus's comparison video of both adapters and the UltraHDMI mod. Hyperkin's HDMI cable is too dark for something that covers the N64, Super NES, and GameCube. And when I say "too dark", I mean it DISPLAYS games too dark. Good luck playing Doom 64 with that shit even if you max out brightness in the Options menu. The other two solutions look better. MUCH FUCKING BETTER!
Even in HDMI, the N64 still looks blobby as hell. This isn't the fault of the cable or adapter, but that of the console itself. Anti-aliasing will do that. Super Mario 64 looks better for a launch game thanks to the Gouraud shading. Quake 1 and 2 had the option to turn the AA off but why would I want to play watered-down ports of those when I already have the PC versions?
You can use a gameshark for the anti-aliasing on the n64.
@NPC #34254334 Response: I've upgraded my Genesis/32X, Saturn, PS2, Xbox, and Wii to YPbPr only. Ordered some cheap component cables for the Xbox and PS2; got the Wii covered with a 3-in-1 cable (also does PS3 and Xbox 360, which I don't have); and HD Retrovision's YPbPr cable for the Genesis. I have NOT looked back. Fuck composite! And RF? That shit is CANCER. NEVER USE RF OR COMPOSITE! If you have a very old console that only did RF and/or composite, get it modded ASAP.
And note the nomenclature I used. S-Video, YPbPr, and RGB are technically ALL component video. "Component" just means that the pieces of video data are separated. Composite carries the color, sync, brightness, and contrast all on that yellow wire. Because of that, it looks like SHIT. Blurry text, bleeding pixels, TERRIBLE! S-Video was a good step up because it separated the color from everything else. YPbPr (the red, blue, and green component cables you find at Walmart) isn't true RGB, but close and delivers nigh-identical results. The red and blue cables carry the red and blue color data, but the green carries no color at all! That cable carries sync, contrast, and brightness. The TV uses these values to calculate green based on what it knows from the device. RGB? We didn't get that on our consumer TVs in America but Europe, Straya, and Kiwiland all did through SCART while Japan had the superficially identical (NOT the same!) JP-21. We only got RGB on computer monitors (via that blue VGA connector) and professional monitors.
ultra hdmi layer 2 deblur + gameshark layer 1 deblur on N64 = PERFECTION
Nice alternative for us OG Gamers!
Great video again. While I'd love to jam all my NES, Super NES, N64, and my prize Sega Genesis. Yes I was a Genesis kid. I also had the TurboGrafx16. Bonks Revenge was awesome. I don't have many left. My N64 and Genesis are still good. I have my Sega Dreamcast and Saturn as well. I had plans of turning a room into a mega gaming center. 4-50" HDTV's for the X-Box, 360, and XBox One. Another set up for Playstation, PS2, PS3, and PS4.
Goodwill has had really good older TV's for a cheap price. They had a 19" for $15-20. Right now they have a 25" and 27" for somewhere between $30-$50. Get say 2 or 3 25" or 27" older TV's and your RETRO systems are up and jammin. Heck even just one 27" would work with some adapters for the back. I appreciate the info on any new technology. At least this is connected to the system and not an emulator. Becoming terminally ill wasn't on my agenda, so my huge plans have become small hopes. But never give up, never surrender as Jason Nesmith says in Galaxy Quest. I have loved gaming since I plugged in a Pong machine to a 13" B&W TV when I was like 5...lol. But EVERYTHING changed when I got my Atari 2600. Again I was a little kid who loved playing these games. Now of course they look primitive but they had and STILL HAVE a charm about them. I remember being allowed to take a bus alone, well me and my buddy without a adult. I saved up my paper route money for Donkey Kong for the 2600. It didn't look like the arcade version. That version had the color and the power. The Atari well, it had my home. I could play DK at home. Pac-Man looked like a odd duck eating wafers, but I loved it. E.T.......um......ah..........
I'll pass on that one. It was okay I guess but it irked the sh*t outta me.
A Retrotink does the exact same thing for $50 less and can hook up to multiple game consoles via composite, s-video, and component. $150 is a ripoff and everyone knows it. This thing should be no more than $50.
retrotink is way better cause when you throw s video at it it shines! or even better, n64 rgb mod with gameshark (deblur) then rgb to yuv converter and retrotink is analog perfection
Yeah they are cheaper and have more options but the quality isn't the same. I own both and the eon definitely works better for the n64. But sadly that alone.
Well done. Mine arrives at the end of the week. I have been using a S video cable to an HD HDMI upscaler for some great results on my flatscreen, I will use this Super 64 with my upscaler for an HD image. The N64 still rocks. The games on it are just fun. Thanks for the video.
That music is wave racer, good game. (=
I wouldn't personally care to upgrade all that much, especially at that price point, but it's cool to have that option for those that would be interested.... Thanks!
Wow it makes the games looks a lot better. I might buy one. Love the videos keep up the good work
I feel like if I were in the market I'd rather get the RetroTink 2X and save some money. Not to mention you can use it with other consoles. But I actually just have a RGB modded N64, so I use it with SCART.
The retro Tink 2x is awesome. It even cleans up my nes compost feed enough to make it look decent. SNES looks crystal clear.
@80/90s Last of the great decades yea, I also use the hd retrovision component cable for my SNES and I will use it for my RGB modded N64 when I get that project finished. I want to get one for my Genesis, too.
So when are you going to make another video like the power pad video?
I appreciate the info not a big difference but still thank you I may check it out for myself now I to have a habit of trying new things with old systems (:
Damn that looks awesome. The video compression isn't doing this any favors, but the smoothing option looks great. People tend to forget that this is designed by a small company and is a rather niche product, which warrants that pricetag. I don't know if you could make the electronics go with a single off-the-shelf part, but at least the molding is a custom job.
i got the adapter n i can say its a.major difference than s video or the hyperkin 3 in cable solution..im glad.i got the cable.
What a beautiful yellow necklace!! Hard to pull off but really looks great on you!
Erin and the Wave Race soundtrack is a win! Great video! :)
That yoshi beat was dope.
Trying to upgrade N64 graphics is like trying to put lipstick on a pig .. lol 😂
Can't say I'm that impressed, the only way to play these first gen 3d consoles is emulation with higher resolutions for me nowadays
I personally couldn't tell the difference with or without the upgrade, so I guess I'm just fine with OG N64 graphics.
Great review!
Duuuuuude I didn't even know this existed!!! Glad I decided to watch this, now I gotta buy one!!! Also I love that Yoshi song lol
Hi 👋 Erin! Really great review on the product... I have to admit, the image does look great and I can completely see the benefit of the slick mode, it does look so much more cleaner... but honestly I prefer the 64 in AV on a CRT while it’s still an option... it’s how I remember it and I feel like I enjoy it more because of it... but obviously to each their own, for their own reasons... Once CRTs are not an option anymore, I will totally be looking for an HDMI solutions, if that’s what we’ll even be using in the far future...
Anyways... Keep up the great content!!! 🤘🤘
If you need to be able to play your N64 on a modern TV, this would be a great option. Great video!!
I currently use the retrotink 2x to play the N64. Because my unit is the funtastic pal console, it’s processing a composite signal. No other signals available on those units. The retrotink does an acceptable job, but is constrained in processing a composite signal on a primarily 3D console. Even if it outputted svideo, the retrotink would eat it for breakfast!
I predict that the eon super 64 for pal consoles when it does release, will have the same issue (funtastic models anyways) and be of similar or lessor quality than the retrotink? In saying that, the retrotink is exceptional on all other consoles I’ve used it on, sadly the N64 was lagging, but still way better than straight signal to a HD tv (if it has a composite port) or via other cheaper composite to hdmi converters. Trust me, I’ve tried them!
Having a retrotink already, I don’t see myself getting one of these.
This would be nice for modern TVs I still play my n64 on my old tube tv and looks fine but on new TVs finally
I just use the svideo cables. It works just as fine for me, as long as I don’t try to use a SCART module.
I see an most definitely improvement on visuals and an enhanced audio 😉 this is an awsome gadget got too get one soon ! This takes advantage of the newest T.V's.🤖🎮
Seeing as this video is 3 years old you probably alteady tried it but have you used the eon together with the mclassic adapter ?
That makes even mkre of a difference.
I ordered 1 brand new japanese gold n64 and also one that was a floor model a few years back.
I ordered the eon adapter from a store in the US a couple of days ago as well as the mclassic adapter and an everdrive64 ! I cant wait to hook the floor model one up and play some dk64, perfect dark and goldeneye again :).
Thank you very much for the video.
Its very interesting, but unfortunately the 480p doesn't seem to be enough. Maybe an RGB version can help clean up the colors and better compliment the lighting to make differences more apparent.
You can get a rad2x for the rgb compatibility just know youd need to have an rgb modded n64 as they dont natively support rgb
At the very least, this will make it easier for people to revisit their N64 library. It also shows why an N64 mini would be weird, it’s graphics didn’t age well.
An N64 mini would still be awesome
Nice video!
Do a review of outrun 2019 for the sega genesis please! Because... Idk its 2019 hahaha
Keep it up!
Lets be real, no matter what upscaler you use, the N64 will always look like blurry/out of focus, low-count polygonal turd.
That's an unique thing, and the quality on graphics looks improved, better than using the Av cable, i'm using the N64 again for my favorite games here.
This is definitely something I could use! Games like GoldenEye, Snowboard Kids and Doom 64 I can hardly even play anymore because they look so dark and muddy. Speaking of Wave Race, one of my favorite N64 games, that's one I'd love to see how it looks in HD, maybe it's even better. I should think about getting this real soon!
Definitely looks brighter and crisper. Awesome option for those playing on original hardware.
I actually bought one of these and plugged it into an early gen and current gen HDTV. On the current gen the games didn’t look very good at all. On the early gen TV my SVideo cable made the games look much cleaner than this Super 64. The fact is that you can’t force a console that’s only capable of a limited video output do more than it’s hardware and the games coding were designed to do without upgrading internal hardware. I like this review. So don’t get me wrong. The super 64 can smooth the edges of characters and things in games but it’s not truly upscaling. CRT or early plasma flat screen with SVideo still look better
Of all the systems I grew up playing, I think N64 aged most poorly. It can definitely use a little makeup.
Just bear in mind that the blobbiness doesn't go away even with a RGB or HDMI mod/after-market cable. That's the fault of the console itself, due to the anti-aliasing.
Oh hey, another air cooled aficionado :)
@@DarDarBinks1986 hey , try etim's rgb deblur or ultra hdmi de-blur(layer 2 deblur) and gameshark (layer 1 deblur) and I can tell you, the N64 looks so great when using that configuration, except... heavy dithering appears, so best bet to hide dithering while de blurring all the image, is RGB through ossc or framemeister or CRT, n64 looks sharper than it ever was with that
I also got my own but I also have to plug it in to get Power to it also and I'm asking myself Why? but on a plus side Mine can also go to 16:9 Mode not just 4:3 which I Believe the N64 used to for back then since it was the Mid to Late 90's
I can’t see any difference
That looks like a gadget from Star Trek. "Beam me up, Scotty."
I already pre-order mine several weeks ago so I can't wait for my Eon Super 64!👍
Shouldve ordered the Retrotink because it does the same thing but with extra options.
Man, I hope these companies will give the PS2 some love too with accessories like this.
its a really big thing that the game brands themselves havent lived up to their responsibility to release revamped versions of the classic systems, either for those of us fortunate to still have childhood cartridges or who would be very happy to purchase again at 5-15$ per title to re experience this software on new or classic rereleased hardware preferably with an appropriate controller and true unmodified experience. I'm extremely surprised for example that the virtual console still isn't on switch and there aren't controllers for it corresponding to n64 and GC. It was a pretty big deal to see nes and snes classics but I've never yet been able to find one at its real retail price, and I thought with blizzard finally coming through with the original wow we would see some more classic system and game revival that actually does it justice.
Just get a Retro Tink2x and N64 S-video cables, you'll basically get the same quality at a cheaper price not to mention if you ever intend to use other systems with it, you can just change what's connected into it, or use a VCR to make life easier for switching inputs.
I'm Old School Erin I like my N64 just the Way it is! *Hugs my N64* it still get's the Job Done!
probably already someone mentioned this, or maybe mike, though it's NOT possible to get an RGB signal out of an unmodded N64 because Nintendo didn't support RGB with the Nintendo 64....they only did that in France for the first batch of consoles, so the only way you'll get an RGB Signal out of a unmodded Nintendo 64 is if you happen to own one of those French ones.
Oh man, I loved Yoshi's Story when I was a kid. Unfortunately, I lost it pretty early on. I lent it to a friend and I don't remember ever getting it back. The same thing happened with my copy of Brave Fencer Musashi, with another friend.
Anyway, I don't remember that old N64 video game hip hop menu theme AT ALL, but it was definitely a thing at the time, as I remember 1080° Snowboarding and WWF No Mercy had similar music. It's as if the N64 sound card was only good for slap bass and scratches.
Having said all that, I can't see myself picking this up. As ugly as I used to think the N64's graphics were, I actually think that console's visuals aged much better than the PS1 and Saturn. The blurry textures and fog help hide its defects, whereas PS1's textures and resolution having just gotten lower and more pixelated over the years.
The only real benefit I see this HDMI adapter offers is more vibrant colors, but you can get that by tinkering with your television.
Brave Fencer Musashi!!!
That game is still great, even today. A little pricey on ebay, but there are still some out there.
This device basically improves the S-video signal a bit, and makes it modern-TV friendly. It's a nice bump up from original hardware, but the price feels a little steep. A couple commenters here mentioned Doom 64. For anyone interested, Doom 64 EX is a modern computer version that's quite faithful to the original, and can be played at high rez and bright (or dark) as you like; but with a caveat that you'll need a ROM image file of the actual N64 game.
I used the waverace 64 theme in a video too! It's perfect for talking over :D
I got from Mike's stream
Just get a Retrotink 2x Pro and use S-video cables. And then you can use the Retrotink for all of your retro consoles in your setup up using S-video or Component.
I want that Matterhorn poster
I'll get one some day. Once the price drops. I'm in no rush.
I miss my N64 😥
Well, I definitely need to play some more Yoshi's Story now; one of my favourites as well!
I made a clay model earlier today
@@jacobtheboy That's awesome!
@@8thLife it was a whale. I made it out of clay
I'm considering getting this thing purely so that I can get the N64 to connect to my modern HDTV. I have an older HDTV down in the basement which still have the yellow, red and white component inputs and it works, but isn't ideal. Plus, that TV is a hunk of junk. I'm trying to avoid lugging out an old CRT to play Mario Kart with the wife once in a while. Is the Super 64 worth it purely as an HDMI converter for modern TV's? I don't really care about any improvements to the image, upscaling, etc, so should I get this thing or are there less expensive products which accomplish the same thing, while still being dependable?
Yeah I have it and is great
Good video, but the difference isn't worth that price tag for me.
I still run my n64 on the old box set!
At that price, Is rather run an OSSC. I think that's a better option.
The price point is still too high. The Pound HDMI upscalers for PS1/PS2, Dreamcast and Xbox are $30 and upscale to 480/720 with no lag. Since I do have a classic tube tv for retro systems, the HDMI upscaler is just nice to have as an option for the nice big HDTV. But not for anywhere around $100.
Sounds to me that those consoles you mentioned probably don’t need as much upscaling to make them look good unlike the N64 but if you feel this upscaler is just too much then what is a cheaper alternative that works just as good??
@@billplaisance6387 that comment was from 3 years ago. I still just use the same Pound hdmi upscalers. I even use one for the N64. I'm not actively looking for alternatives.
@@zogmorp so how are you using that Pound adapter when it’s not even made for the N64 and even says that on their website? Did you do something to make it work?
I know the comment I replied to was from three years ago and reminding me of that is irrelevant because I wasn’t asking what you were looking for, if you were looking for an alternative at all, I was just asking what a better alternative was for a better price to whatever you use which is now more intriguing considering what you use isn’t a device made for the 64.
what I'm using for the N64 has this title on Amazon. "Y.D.F N64 to HDMI Converter Adapter Support 16:9/ 4:3 Conversion, HDMI Link Cable for N64 /SNES /NGC/ SFC（Plug and Play）" It looks identical to the Pound adapters so I just called it that. I couldn't even remember the generic name it had. But it's what I use.
@@zogmorp hmm. I looked at that on Amazon and to me it just looks like a typical adapter that lets you connect an ancient device to a modern TV with no upscaling which, if that’s all it does, that’s not gonna work for me. I guess maybe because I have a rather expensive 4K ultra high def TV and the picture of my N64 looks like crap.
The N64 was admittedly before my time but the difference with the adapter is quite awesome.
Ahh Goldeneye, my favorite game on the N64.
Better off getting a CRT from a Goodwill and playing them the way it is meant to be 🖤
This may be a silly question, but as the SNES and GameCube used the same connectors for the output, is this compatible with those consoles?
Nice video :D
Question: Can't this plug into a SNES and a GameCube since the connections are exactly the same? I watched Metal Jesus and John Hancock, neither one even mentioned the compatibility even though they compared it to the composite cables that works for all three systems.
she probably has the cutest smile i have ever seen on a girl
I would keep it the way it is when you or people play those retro games its what we grew up with but if people want to upscale then spend the money but for me i like my n64 the way it is but still i really like video
Well as long as it looks super cute
The n64 is native 640x480i ntsc and the gamecube is 720x480p ntsc. Basically it can deinterlace n64 and gamecube signals
Nintendo just needs to release all the popular games on the switch.
Oh, considering how the N64 still looked like ass when pumped through a FRAMEMEISTER and previous mods were ridiculously expensive like you said, this sounds like the best option out there.
I just bought a couple N64'S recently and ever since then Amazon has been recommending me these RCA to HDMI upscaler boxes. My question is, to anyone who's reading this and might have experience with those, how do they stack up to something like this? Those are generally about $20 compared to $75 for this but if they don't work as well as this does they might be a waste of money. Rather spend $75 for something that works well than $20 for something that doesn't.
Wait did did you say $149? Yikes
I think it might be cheaper just to buy an old television set and play it on there. Far, far cheaper.
Gret video, Its a bit pricy for me but maybe when it does down.
Maybe after a price drop.
it has the 9gag logo on it in disguise, it's a prank toy
Your nails are so pretty erin :)
Thanks!
Great video!
Cool Video ,Erin I always loves the N64
looks far better wow
Well, it doesn't improve resolution really. But it does look nicer when it comes to upscaling.
Lololololol the miniscule visual improvement is not worth that ridiculous price tag. I'll stick with what I've got :)
wooooo new Erin!
I will have to be honest with you Erin I have noticed that when I play goldeneye the graffics are have not aged well I might have to get this device
Looks great, surely! But I'll stick to my UltraHDMI N64!
Wonder when the mini N64 is coming out? Love your tech videos!
I don't know about this. Not much of a difference.
Erin is a gangsta
When it gets cheaper im gonna get one
I think the N64 is beyond help.
I get why you think this but honestly the old school systems were awesome. I personally was a Sega kid myself but I worked at 15yrs old for one thing......GAMES. I spent my checks on TurboGrafx 16, NES, Super Nintendo, N64, Sega Master System, Sega Genesis, Sega Saturn, 32X and Sega CD.(Ugh I didn't say I was smart all the time.) But games back then bring back so many memories. The fact you need to jump through 💰money hoops💰 makes it frustrating. I'm going to Goodwill, they have a 25" and a 27" 📺 plain old TV. The 25" is $40 and the 27" is $50. I'd love to have 2 27" but hey I'll take what they have.
@@EdsterIII You are missing the point, it's specifically about the N64, which is a pain in the ass for ALL of us collectors....
N64 is a nauseating console imo
@80/90s Last of the great decades I stated earlier in a different comment, that using a good S-Video cable (20$ upwards) hooked to a Sony PVM is my setup and in my opinion the way to go! Still, the hardware bound anti-aliasing effect of this console is making it's graphics look soap washed.... Besides: i am from Europe, RGB Scart was always a thing and I ask myself what Nintendo was thinking when not implementing this on the board! I am not going to get an RGB mod or a Deblur mod (against those shabby effects), so best picture natively without tinkering: S-Video on PVM! Modern TV's and upscalers are blasphemy to my collectors heart!!!
@@Shazalakazoobang Then don't collect it. Bitching at me about not knowing your issue doesn't fix your problem.
Its a good piece of hardware since tvs now are too much even on the lowest settings. But as you mentioned the price is a bit much. I still have my N64 and it will always hold a special place for me. When you get right down to it the 64 bit hardware gave it some graphical advantages over the PS1 and Sega Saturn but at the same time the limited cartridge capacity had limited its ability to produce textures and colors on same level as the CD powered consoles. So I feel one way or the other the foggy look has always been unavoidable. Other than that the N64 was the definitive console of the 5th generation for me regardless of its sales being dominated by the PlayStation (great system but it honestly hasn't aged as well). Looking back that was a very interesting time period.
Erin you want rgb the amp is not expensive and the mod is easy there is no way they can make an rgb version without internal mod anyway
So this works with the SNES and GameCube, right?