This adapter can improve your ENTIRE gaming setup! - mClassic HDMI Upscaler Review | Nintendrew
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 มิ.ย. 2024
- In this video, we’ll be taking a look at the new mClassic HDMI graphics processor from Marseille! The company behind this mini upscaler claims it will drastically improve the quality of your video signals, but how well does it stack up? Thanks for watching!
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Hey everyone! Just got confirmation that the 4:3 issue has been FIXED ahead of production! Apparently the new model is headed my way, so I'll confirm the fix in person soon. Great news!
Check out the mClassic on Indiegogo: igg.me/at/mclassic
Wait, does the M classic allow you to read that star statue in super mario 64?!?!?
Thanks man for the link, just bought one 😁😁
I wonder how good would it render 3DS games 🤔
@nintendrew I wanted to ask a question I'm having issues with my new TV my old one I had a controller plugged in my shield to hdmi one with headphones. When I switched hdmi signals I still heard the audio from the shield controller through headphones but with the new TV when I switch hdmi signals the sound cuts off the previous hdmi so I can't hear sound through shield headphones please help
Does this work with an Xbox 360?
The highest quality I can set my phone to is 720P. I can still easily spot the difference with all but two of the games that he showed. Truly amazing
Haha I'm definitly gonna buy mclassic when it drops later on. I love my retro consoles and play N64 all the time so this is a must for me!
@Brebgon oof! *_*
My have 4k but my is 5 years old
@Z Z me at 2440
@@yournightmare9999 Sony Xperia 1 iii?
Me watching this video in bed at 144p: hmm yes interesting
Same
:O Hackrmin
"Half Life 2 is not that old"
Half Life 2 is 15 years old, dude--
Half life 2 is a year older than I am
Half-Life 2 is a year newer than I am
@@MinecrafterPictures damn
@@shaun8062 It's 2020. 2000's are 2 decades old
@@shaun8062 Sometime even 2010's will be old
Glad I found your channel. I enjoy your positivity and when you take time to explain things in detail which a lot of others would skip over. You have a good thing going here.
I was like, I see no difference between the two and then I checked my quality settings and I was at 360p for some reason
It may just be youtube compression but this product doesnt seem like a big enough difference to justify the price
Yeah me too.
I can’t see any difference at all honestly 🤷♂️
Indeed. I'd maybe pay around $40, tops. It's nice, but not dramatic enough to spend $100 for, not even close.
Its because the shrunken video, he should really be showing it in full screen
I suspect the difference seen will depend on the size of the monitor/tv. gamecube on my 65inch looks like puke
"There is no Galaxy HD remake yet"
I wish m8
Well you're not wrong. we only got a remaster of Super Mario Galaxy 1. (The game already looks amazing so it's not that bad that it didn't get a remake) it kinda sucks for the Super Mario Galaxy 2 fans, since it's still only playable on a Wii or Wii U, and the only way to make it look nicer is either use Emulation, or use an mClassic with a Wii U.
Another fantastic review with the best comparisons. Thank you for that.
Nintendrew seems like the kind of person that would be really fun to play Super Smash Bros with.
I guess he is
Yeah he's a really nice guy
That does sound fun.
John aint that what the cat says to the mouse just before the beatings commence? :P
I bet he's a Piranha Plant main in Ultimate and a Mewtwo main in Melee
This thing is pretty amazing, Skyward Sword really looked much cleaner and easier on the eyes, I definitely will be buying one of these fo shizzle. One of the great ways this tech could be used is in laptops, getting a decent serving of AA, decent upscaling, overall improved visual fidelity for no performance penalty would be ideal for a gaming laptop, they could even licence the tech to T.V and monitor manufactures. Maybe even Nintendo could implement it into the next Switch somehow, both in portable mode and docked mode, you could really use this tech to great effect with something like the Switch or any console for that matter.
Glad I found this video, just bought one with the early adapter price, can't wait to see how well it works with my switch and xbone s
Just heard about this today when looking into options for tweaking the image quality on my Switch, Wii U, and Xbox! Thanks much for the awesome video.
Wow! That looks like something that would be good to have! Thanks Nintendrew!
Would be really cool if they made a 4k upscaler in the future, that upscaled everything to 4k with the improvements.
You’re the best TH-camr! I love your optimism and the facts, I got the GCHD because of you! (I’m a good way) you’re epic
This is so tight! I’m buying my brother an eon gchd for his birthday and I think I might just pick this up for him for Christmas too!
Just ordered mine, PUMPED! Currently running my Wii through component cables into an HDMI adapter which honestly looks really good already on my TV. Really looking forward to see what it would look like with this added.
UPDATE: It is absolutely magical.
Isaac Cushman Did you decide to not use an HDMI cable ? I have an XBOX 360 on a Sony 4K and I have a slight graphic upgrade playing NCAA 10. But I’m wondering could I improve the quality even more with pricey cables.
Its a god send!!!
I love the backdrops on these channels. This dude's game collection is fire. That's goals for me right there.
Imagine if he has to move lol
It looks really good! Great video comparison, Drew!
I just got this in my Indiegogo inbox. When I was watching the video they had yours was right there!
I understand that you can only use the cables you have. But with a higher quality cable, you will get a better image for the mcable to process. Right now it just processes blurry unsharp images. SNES games via a scart cable will look much better than the composite you used and will also give a much better result.
Perhaps this video is meant more for a general retro game fan who does not have all this equipment. But if you own a retrotink and this mcable, then you're already in the price range of an OSSC so you might as well go further.
On the other hand, when you show of the gamecube stuff, then the video gets interesting. Then it actually gives the mcable a high quality signal to work with and shows of it's true potential.
Guess I'll buy another one of these so called upscalers for my PS2. I'm always tempted and hopeful. But most of the time these always let me down big time.
IMO, the best way to play the PS2 is on a CRT. Most games were just designed to play on that type of display. I recommend My Life In Gaming's video "how to get the best picture from your PS2" if you want to know more.
Still waiting for reply - I have OSSC...don't know what's better...I love that OSSC has flexible settings
I played the ebay lottery, and got one of those $20 scart to hdmi upconverters. Very happy with it.
Doom Guy PS2 will always be best played on a CRT, as most games support 480i maximum. Some support 480p, but 480p never looks that good as it has to be scaled unless you are using a 480p native TV. 480p is really annoying as 480p LCD’s don’t really exist anymore, meaning you’ll need to use a pretty old LCD, which unfortunately means you’ll have pretty poor black levels. A 480p CRT won’t have to scale and will have perfect black levels, but they can’t handle 480i properly, meaning you’ll need another giant CRT for 480i, wasting more space than a 480p LCD.
damn right! my ps2 looks amazing on my sony wega crt
Thanks for making these videos. I just bought the Super64 and mCable (and Brawler64) the other day on CastleMania. I can't wait to try them out!
How you getting on with the brawler controller mate? Am thinking of getting one as well you see 😊
Thanks for the 4:3 / 3:2 explanation - very interesting info!
Why on earth would you crop and shrink footage thats supposed to compare resolution???
When I used this on my Wii, I got 1366x768 resolution, not 1920x1080, why is that?
@@Luigiman-yi4jm thats interesting, i have problems with its output consistency too
You should do a review of the sharp shooter n64 replacement stick and see how it compares to an original n64 stick
I just got the 2 pack. I can't wait til they come in. Thanks Nintendrew for the heads up!
I got one and use it with my Wii, Wii U and Xbox 360 via an HDMI splitter. While it’s a pretty subtle change, it does help with making the image sharper and smoothing out some jagged pixels on the screen. My Wii benefits from it the most since the M-Classic upscales it to HD-like graphics. I don’t recognize any latency issues or lag either.
Just purchased one for myself, thank you for giving an amazing review to help me make the decision to do so!
@@Shark97281 If the eon 64 has hdmi, it will also work with this
@@Shark97281 While I dont personally have one, I can say I have seen perfect dark and donkey kong 64 running with the Eon Super 64, so it is fairly safe to say Majoras Mask will also run fine with it
@@Shark97281 So glad I don't have to worry about this since I got a ultra hdmi n 64 lolz. Oh and guess what... I got the m classic. Hm... Perhaps I should try them out and let you know how it looks? Might be helpful? Or should I be a prick and not say anything?
Lol sorry it's 2 in the morn, just saw suicide squad, and got wasted lololol. Frig am I doin up so late? Oh right... I was messing with the mclassic I just got. Lemme boot up the ol ocarina of time (best game ever made)
Yea it looks a bit better in my honest opinion lolz. Don't forget to set the mclassic to green light middle posish. This is great man : )
Hey Drew, I just wanted to ask if it's safe to connect this directly to the back of the Carby on my Gamecube? Is that the ideal way to combo it?
Yes that should be good like that, the cable can handle most sub-1080p resolutions.
Finally someone that shows what older consoles look like and not just the switch. Thank you!!!
Just backed it. Will be fantastic with my Switch and PS3!
If this thing can turn Mortal Kombat 11 and the Witcher III on Switch to be something spectacular then count me in.
So you CAN connect it to an hdmi switch box and convert everything at once!..I would still need the super 64 though so I can connect n64 to my switch box...but I'd also be eliminating composite cables from composite switch box...I think I'm going to re think my entire retro set up.
There are cheaper alternatives if you're just looking to convert your N64 to hdmi out...
Ok this is what i have been wanting!
Just backed the two pack. I'm going to use one with my WII with the Hyperkin hdmi cable you recommended. Thank you for the video.
Absolutely, thanks for watching!
I'm interested to see what this would do for a Switch on a 4K display.
Try setting the resolution to 720p, it will upscale it to full 4K. Setting it at 1080p will only put it at 2K.
You said you plugged your m classic into the other adapters you use. Could you please list the other adapters in question?
Thanks for the great review! I ordered, as I am a total quality snob. Cheers!
Damn, Drew, why is this video so loud?! I love it.
So does the m-classic work with a ossc?
Did you have a chance to test sega saturn?
Both should work but it depends on the resolution and the console, some OSSC formats (e.g. 960p or 720p SNES) can be weird and might not work with the cable or your TV, but more normal consoles like Saturn and PS1 or N64 will work just fine I think. If the higher resolutions are less compatible, you can always try 480p mode as that should be compatible for almost any TV.
Hey @nintendrew, perhaps a silly question, but can you plug the mcable into the mclassic? And if so does it have any added effect?
Ryan Howard ok 1: I wanna have whatever you’re smoking. 2: *WHAT WOULD HAPPEN???*
The people that made it already claimed you can see interesting improvements by daisy chaining m classics into each other
Thinking of scooping this up to use with my Pound HDMI Dreamcast cable. Looks dope.
Hanging out with your grandpa Gentry. He told me about your channel. Haha. Just subscribed. :)
Works with the Retrotink? At the end of an HDMI switch? Well it looks like I saved an untold amount of money already! TAKE MY MONEY!
Seemed too good to be true at first but skyward sword looks great on it.
It's not even like I'm gonna get an M classic but I just enjoy watching you talk
I’ve never been on IndieGogo, but there’s a first time for everything. This was an easy buy for me. Thank you!
I got the super early bird backer price at $59.99 while y'all SLEPT.
Btw, thanks nintendrew for plugging this thing in a previous video. I may have missed that early backer price if I didnt sign up for indiegogo. I've always wanted the Mcable but I'm glad I held off for this release! Great video!
If they had this option still I would have probably purchased, oh well.
1:48
nice
Hi nintendrew love your channel keep up the great work :3 your the best (;
Loving the videos great content. Wondering if you have ever though of collecting other systems not moving away from Nintendo but expanding.
Sega , playstation Xbox do some amazing games I feel your missing out a bit . But an amazing collection
Just ordered one for my Wii U. Really hoping this solves the poor image quality on Wii games played on backward compatibility. I've always said that decent anti aliasing would go a long long way to making the Wii gaming experience more pleasant. As it is, it's pretty horrific.
I've always wondered why I find the Original Xbox good but not the Wii, and as this shows, it's the lack of the post processing on the Wii. The Wii has to be Nintendo at their laziest.
Hey! Your original comment was from 3 years ago, but I was wondering if the mclassic worked well for Wii games on the Wii U.
@@chadmiller4814 The mclassic works best on the Wii U with Wii games. Except for RE4, because I think the colours are complex in the village etc. It can't detect what to improve.
But yeah, on every console I've tried, the Wii U /Wii is the only one it make significant difference. Well worth it. I have a huge collection of Wii games anyway.
Doesn't work on the PS2, because the graphics are too muddy, it can't detect a thing. Original Xbox doesn't really need it, and it even doesn't help the Game Cube much, not sure why. But it works amazingly well for Wii games on the Wii U. And Wii games needs it the most anyway imo.
@@DDuMas that's great! I'm considering getting one specifically to improve the Wii games on my Wii U. What settings do you have it on that work best? I have heard to have it set to 480p for it to work best on Wii games and switch it back to 720p for Wii U games.
Hey nintendrew I just wanted to say me and my friends loved u at omgcon2019 keep up the great work
Same here
I just got mine in the mail. I got it for my switch, but as it's gotten closer I'm more excited to try my ps2 on it. I want NFS most wanted to look amazing! I'm also gonna try it on the one x, Cyberpunk and Elden ring gonna be looking crisp!
I bought a Marseille cable a couple of years ago and was pretty disappointed with the results, looks like I should have waited for this thing!
One question: I already had one mCable Gaming edition for my Switch, can I also plug this thing in my mCable?
Yes. It'll double the processing though.
You wouldn't want to do that, it would basically do nothing at all.
@@ReveriePass according to Mcable it'll double the processing, possibly making the picture too smearing.
It really wouldn’t do anything, since it would be reading an already 1080p signal, and wouldn’t need to upscale it any further. You would also lose the 4:3 feature using the MClassic + MCable.
@@ReveriePass The upscale wouldn't do anything, but the post processing effects would both be working. Smoothing edges of already smoothed edges, lol.
"Through it's indiegogo campaign, early backers can reserve a unit for as low as $69"
nice
Just bought one (mclassic) to try with my hw1 modded console. Can't wait :)
Looks like the release version will have the firmware updated for the Retromode aspect ration issue (Thanks to your review actually.) They have noted it has been corrected to force 4:3 on their indiegogo.
Expensive adapter for such a minor difference.
What I would really like is a XBRZ filter sitting right after the Nvidia (or AMD) driver's output doing the post-processing on the fly. I've seen what the XBRZ tech can do for DOS games running on DOSBox, and it's awesome, much better results than with M's tech.
How do you get your Wii to work with the m classic?
You'll probably need to buy a third-party hdmi adapter for your wii, and then connect the mclassic to this adapter.
Alternatively you could run component output through something like the RetroTink. Not the cheapest option unless you already own the HDMI upscaler but still.
Wii U
Great review. Video nerd note: you could probably use its full processing mode and then tell your display that it's a 4:3 signal! My projector has 3 aspect modes, Full, 16/9, and 4/3, as well as Auto. So when I'm using a GCHD, I can force 4/3. That same behavior will work on this adapter's output, but only in full processing mode.
That retro mode seems broken for more than one reason. Let's say that for example you're watching 4:3 HD content, like some older cartoons on Amazon or Blu-Ray, the recent Batman remaster, or some Disney cartoons, whatever. The video output is still 1920x1080, 16/9, with a centered 1440x1080 4/3 image. English: The black bars are part of the image itself. 720x480 SD digital video should have an aspect flag. Should, lol. I know the GCHD gives you a fair bit of control for aspect settings. It's unfortunate that if those flags are properly set, that the mClassic is ignoring them, but like you said, the real crime is that it's not forcing the input to be recognized with non-square pixels in retro mode. Perhaps they wanted to focus on SD output, and not necessarily 4:3 output, and someone missed a memo. If it isn't doing any different processing, they'd be better served just making it an aspect ratio switch. And of course, on a lot of TVs you can still force 4:3 yourself, although you're doing that after it takes non-square pixels, makes them even wider, and then you manually squish them back down - it will only look as good as your TV's scaler.
sheik124 I bet you these people don’t even play video games especially retro games they well never get it right.
We need someone who plays these games on retro consoles who understands what to look for make these devices.
Thanks for the review! I recently got the hyperkin cables to play wii and gamecube games from my wii based on your recommendation. Have you tested hyperkin in conjunction with the mclassic? What would you say is the optimal setup for gamecube and wii games off the Wii with the mclassic? Thanks in advance.
For the Hyperkin, you’d need an HDMI coupler since the Hyperkin has a male HDMI output and the mClassic has a male HDMI input. For me, I used a Wii Component cable and a Component to HDMI converter which takes the analog component signal and transfers it to HDMI. Then, the mClassic is attached to it for 1080p upscaling, video smoothing, and color enhancement. This isn’t really necessary. Some people have it hooked up to Wii2HDMI adapters which is not ideal since they suffer problems overtime such as picture noise, no audio, wrong colors, etc.
When you’ve been watching nintendrew for forever and forgot to sub 🙃🐳
thanks for reminding me LOL
Try this on WiiU!!!
And it seems the 6th and 7th gen consoles would be benefit most from this
Yes, I want to see it will effect on vWii on wiiU too
I want see wii virtual console, like nes and snes, and breath of the wild for Wii u version
I got the og m cable like days before I learned about the m classic. At first I thought it was just a version meant to deal with lower resolutions like 480i & 240p, didin't expect a full upgrade.
My Tv doesn't support 1440p however, so I'm only slightly butt hurt.
Great video. With the Wii, are you using the GCvideo internal HDMI mod? (Wii dual)
I dunno, it looks like an emulation filter such as super sai. I will stick with OSSC & component / RGB SCART etc.
It is exactly the same as those filters. This is just a stick with a few upscaling filters built in. For pixel based games, you get a smear effect, but for polygon based games it's not like anti aliasing. OSSC can still benefit from an upscaling filter for these games, though of course that's a matter of opinion.
TL;DR
If you want anything under 7th gen, get a framemeinster, Retro TINT 2x or OSSC.
Thanks for telling me about this.
With my eyes I can barely tell the difference between modified and unmodified, but from how you describe it it's a pretty nifty gadget.
7:13 there is one though! It’s for the nvidia only in China!
Nintendrew: if you back the indegogo campaign it will cost about 69 bucks
Me: *NICE*
overused and unoriginal......wonder where that shit came from cough *Reddit* cough
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jeromew21 it’s a copypasta, IT’S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ORIGINAL!
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The reason I always watch your videos is for the actual research you do with what you talk about.
Question here. Does the Eon spit out 3:2 aspect ratio slightly stretching the image or is it a true 4:3? I hooked up the Mclassic to the Eon and noticed the image looks closer to 4:3. Just curious to which one is correct. Thanks and great video.
1:50 you missed the opportunity to say a "Nice Discount"
why there isnt a retro gaming tv yet i beyond me
Purple Stuff ikr all I have is an Atari 2600 and a nes but I got this huge crt tv 📺
Hopefully I will get a Sega genesis
They are called CRTs lol
shleeve Yeah but they’re not manufactured anymore
In 5-10 years when essentially all of the TV’s with component ports there very well may be a retro TV.
It might be a while before CRT technology returns. The tubes themselves aren't really made anymore, despite the fact they can be HDMI-compatible. It's an untapped market as of now.
the wii was my childhood, the very first game i ever played and my number 1 favorite game is "The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword"
and one of my favorite games is "Super Mario Galaxy"
I am in tears just getting nostalgia, and seeing my 2 favorite games in HD 1080p/1440p is amazing!
Nintendo need to make "TLoZ: SS Remastered" in the switch...
Your wish was granted 👀
Nice review!
I cant imagine wanting to use this for most retro consoles. Seems like 480p and 720p consoles benefit the most from this device.
Isn’t that retro 480?
Is there any issue playing VC games on the Wii with the Wii set to 480p? Do they fill the screen properly or looked stretched? Or do they have he black side bars?
Thank you for telling us to set our mobile devices to 1080, it made a huge difference
Last time I was this early I was this early.
FINALLY an original comment.
Katie Tree ohhh Uh... Okay.
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@@thebenwilbert hi
I clicked right away lol
Great video! Would you recommend this product over the EON Super 64 adapter? Trying to decide which to buy. Thank you!
ah good, i forgot i was waiting for this video. i saw your post E3 video like a day before heading to Retro Game Fest in Austin, Texas and i got to looking forward to this little device. all in all it seems a far better use of it would be for Wii/Gamecube stuff as it shows far better there(wait, when was there ever an hdmi cable/adapter for the wii?).
actually Hyperkin was at the Con with an N64 hdmi adapter that just came out and it was kind of funny. in the example of Mario 64 i was shown it can either try to give you a more pixel perfect-like look or smooth it out. the smoothed edges just made Mario's body look all wiggly when standing around. i think that was due to the edges only being covered as opposed to being blurred(thats the best way i can think to describe).
long story short there, as far as i have seen, the N64 UltraHDMI mod is far nicer looking and the more i see nothing compares to it yet the more im glad i got it 6 months ago. maybe this thing could make it look nicer?
even then i believe the whole ai upscale thing, cuz ive messed with a good quality free one recently a month ago and ive been seeing a very familiar "paint stroke like" style to the images it modifies. i first heard of this application for the FF9 fan mod to make its backgrounds look better since the originals were lost, now that ive seen the mod in action ive been seeing that familiar style.
when you were showing Mario 64 zoom ins i noticed it a bit on his face, i myself will give this a pass for now until an improved version comes out.
it already takes an amount of work for the ai to redraw one image depending on the size and resolution, but this is it on the fly and it seems to be of slightly less quality. although i guess it'd be better to see it in person, but that'd be VERY hard to do right now.
yes you put the differences in the video, sadly some quality is always lost during the upload.
What if you plug the M Cable, into the M Classic....😱
I was wondering the exact same thing too! I own the M-Cable Gaming Edition and I'm using it for the Nintendo Switch. I am wondering what would happen if you plug in both the M-Cable and the M-Classic, will it improve the quality even further?
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@@Nurix09 lol. Well that's a shame. Thanks for the help! 👍
Mamamoo! You should try it and let me know if it turns your switch to 8k😂😂
Why is it so expensive though? There are no major differences, and I'm watching on a monitor screen.
I know I know, this is a Nintendo channel, but I gotta say that I absolutely need this for my Dreamcast.
Thanks for such a great video, and thanks to you, I purchased the Super 64, and combined that with the Mcable gaming edition by Marseille. It looks remarkable. Now, do you prefer high or low contrast on your tv when playing the N64? Thanks for your time.
totally missed the opportunity to say it’s a “pretty nice” discount
LOL dang it
i would watch his videos, and eat vietnamese food.
idk why, please dont ask.
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@@luisservin-perez7762 what did i say?
@@ramenosu Y
@@luisservin-perez7762 ok nvm
don't ask what>? >:P
say you want to use this for nes titles on switch online..will it work or is it already upscaled on the nes online?
I was told that with old systems you couldn’t use the Tink with this. So you combined both? Also I am excited this can be used after an HDMI switcher.
... I don't like it, it looks like a blurry mess
I really don't get why you think it's blurry, for all the games shown to me it just looked the same or crisper
Anyone else here from WULFF DEN?
It's strange that I haven't seen anybody complain about the fact that it only upscales up to 1440p when it should upscale all the way to 4K. After all, there's no such thing as a 1440p TV and the standard is 4K. Another thing I'd like to see Marseille implement into their next version would be a frame interpolation feature. A lot of people don't like frame interpolation, but personally I think it's great when it's done right.
I have a pc.. and 1440p is the best resolution/ performance sweet spot. Now this makes the mclassic 1440p mode absolutely awesome!!
(Just a great tip for all pc gamers here that also love consoles)
This device is no "upscaling" squat, it is just applying an anti-aliasing filter.