true, i think i referred to it as 'drama' once in my video and i apologize for that. i recognize it's much more serious than that, which is why i think it's suitable to compare this situation to cases in the real legal justice system
@@oliSUNvia wait no no, I’m not talking about you,😭 I’m talking about those tik tok tea rooms you know 😀👍, the ones that report every single thing about tik tok “celebrities”
You are one of the most thoughtful and empathetic youtubers out there. I love that you remind people that humans and life are complex and never back and white. I hate how the majority of content I see on platforms is made for quick consumption. You defy those expectations and speak freely making your videos super deep and not for simple likes. I wish I had friends and family in my life like you.
Yesss! We all start idolizing people who we like. That's something we shouldn't be doing since we all predict for them to be prefect and profound which always disappoints us when they don't meet out expectations.
Why do people do this though? It makes no sense to me why they put another human being on a pedestal and make them their idol or “god” in a sense… lol and get angry at them when they act human or make human mistakes. It’s so silly.
@@dwilnau Its actually human nature whether we want to make sense of it or not.. But its amazing that we live in a day and age where we can gain self awareness and question our own actions and thoughts, which was impossible for most people to do without the information we have now! Human tendency to idolize something and someone also is profitable for businesses. Like Kpop is popular because the industry's goal is to construct groups and individuals that are seemingly perfect to get people as hooked as possible for money. Supply and demand.
@@dwilnau It goes back through out history and even prehistory. Why do you think we had Kings? People always desired people to idolize, follow, and emulate. (Also… sex sells…) The Protestant reformation is an example of idolization falling apart in front of reality.
i just found your channel this week and i seriously have to compliment your views and expressive vocabulary. your editing shows your effort, and it's refreshing to see someone have the same views as mine :) I really hope you begin to get recognition
dang i literally love everything about your personality, youre so opended minded and intelligent and it shows, like dang i would literally love you as a best friend 😩 if only there were more people like you
I will not lie...this is the first video essay that has ACTUALLY made me self critical and consider my actions, morals and the way I behave. Good job (it's not the first first but damn it's been a while).
I agree with so much but with the sexual assault part. I don’t care why SM did it and what led her to do it, if she sexually assaulted him she sexually assaulted him, no excuses. It’s not “problematic behavior” it’s a crime. We can rope that with saying the N word or getting cancelled.
literally her absurdly neutral approach to SA with VIDEO EVIDENCE is nauseating to watch. idk maybe im crazy but the way she talks about jack not wanting to “prove” his trauma to the entire world like it weakens his case when theres already evidence which sienna hasnt refuted makes me physically ill
Morals are dying. Toxic behavior is normalized and no one is perfect so of course there’s gonna be so many famous people nowadays being problematic. Cancel culture happens bc the fans are not perfect either. We all have these behavior flaws. Things are also too justified that’s why I narrow it down to no one can be perfect with anything we do or try. And it seems like the world is gonna get worse from here. I hope for the best as far as social media goes with new influencers. This video was well put, I love your content, keep shining girl
I don’t think people are any worse than they’ve ever been. We simply put a spotlight on a wider range of bad behaviors committed by public figures. And information spreads so fast because of the internet. The main difference is there seems to be more kids getting famous than ever, and that’s definitely not a great thing.
i dont think that toxic behaviour is normalized, i beleive most people would call out wrong action, most people would just want them to change and apologive and no longer do that behavour since we are all human beings and make bad actions whether on purpose or not,i think whats bad is sending hate to them instead of critiquing their actions,we should know how to be a decent human being and not hate, i beleive its just understanding and wanting growth for others :)
i didnt speak up about my SA until a year later. i was embarrassed and scared. dont assume SA victims werent actual victims because they dont speak up about right away
i 100% agree with you on people seeing celebrities situation and cancellations as black and white when even in our own personal life’s when something as serious as sexual assault gets accused there will always be people that suspicious. it’s part of human nature really.
6:48 "We perform virtually no background check in the people we hype up." Until their reputation is compromised! Only then we can bring up their old tweets!
Loved your last few statements about Justice and Cancel Culture! I feel like we forget how quickly we become hypocrites, the fast cancelling does nothing but cause division and doesnt actually solve problems. And while age is never an excuse these young 'celebs' need room to grow and learn from their mistakes and I know that first hand as a teenager who sometime screws up. While we shouldn't ignore and act like their mistakes are okay cancelling and hating the person doesn't help. I love your videos!! 💗💗💗🦋
Your videos are always extremely interesting. I love, love, love to hear viewpoints from people who don't just cancel everything they don't like. The part on cancel culture and the American justice system was also a good take!! Keep up your cool videos :)
@@fauxskull5982 only cos somehow amber fucked up so badly that they through out her case on a deformation charge. you know how hard that is to pull off. If she literally said nothing for 3 weeks she would have had a better result. she showed many times thought that she was dishonest and manipulative and controlling, to the point even if she never did what they said she did, she made a case against herself during the trial. but for a more disturbing fact their was a tv program in the uk about a man who i think was either the first of one of only a few men who have ever gotten help from the police with domestic abuse. despite the fact the over a third of domestic abuse victims are men.
You’re undoubtedly one of the best TH-camrs right now!! I appreciate the amount of work you put into your videos and the facts you provide !! ❤️❤️ thank u sm
the fact that this video seems to be conflating "problematic" actions with s/a makes me genuinely uncomfortable. Sienna being caught on tape s/a ing jack isn't something she was ever, and i mean EVER pressured to do by anyone. that's a crime, not something as stupid as drinking underage.
yes, and honestly as much as I hate using this comparison, imagine if the genders were reversed. "what led him to s/a her? What made him do this?", etc.
@@mikaelahill5554 that's the right way to think about it. Making up excuses like that, is just victim blaming. Next thing we know, they'll say "he shouldn't have been drunk next to a horny person,
Why and how are you peapol misunderstanding the video to this degree. There are two main points in this video one about the actual situation and one generaly talking about how becoming famous presures them and can result in awfull behaviour. She wasnt excusing anything with that part of the video just trying to make us take a look that part of beaing famous.
this channel is amazing!! you speak SO eloquently, and i love that you have perspectives which can contrast the common ones for our context. it’s super duper refreshing to see someone coming from these different angles, and voicing things i’ve thought for a while, but going into such depth and asking questions that force me to really reconsider and reflect on everything.
You certainly are one of the most fair and knowledgeable young people I have seen on social media. It took me until middle age to learn how bad eyewitness testimony is, the judicial system gives it too much weight. you speak so well, clear and concise. Keep it up and I think you will be one of those pretty, famous, social media people, but you'll have something thoughtful to say. I've only seen 2 of your videos but I'm anxious to see more.
I honestly cannot get enough of this channel; it has so many of the ideas that I’ve always thought of, and so many great ideas i never gave myself the idea to ponder. I always felt like cancel culture felt like supporting the death penalty in many ways. You are a brilliant content creator, thinker, and orator. Keep making videos, your content is amazing!
YES! Love this video and your opinions! Talent is definitely lacking nowadays and people focus more on your appearance. Everyone loves to say “why did we make them famous?” But that’s just it “WHY?” Their physical appearance? Or did you genuinely see “talent”?
Okay about the last part about Sienna and Jack, I know for a fact if Jack was a girl you wouldn’t be saying the whole “we don’t know the full story.” Like naw Jack was assaulted, there was evidence, and Sienna is wrong. This issue is black and white. Someone got assaulted, you can’t be neutral in these situations
Absolutely agree. Point blank was assaulted then she admitted to it. You cannot tell me she is "feeling bad because of the hate" those are the consequences of her own actions. But because she's a women she won't take as much backlash :/
exactly!! like i usually love her videos but this… it just felt so iffy to me.. why should we have sympathy for someone who sexually assaulted someone? there’s literally evidence too :/
Thank you! That’s a crime with a victim and is one of the worst kind. I don’t care why she did it. Zero fairness. There’s a video of it I’m not sure why we are questioning why she did it or if she’s young.
i love this. Not the comparison of drama to a court case, but the need to become self-aware in the way we see the world. We as a society have grown to see the world as the other, and our preconceived notions blind us to the actual problems we discuss. To start any conversation without acknowledging that at the other side is a human as valid and complex as me, is to talk to a shadow of the actual truth.
I ma so thankful for my luck that i found your channel today. You are a literal example of how i should structure my essays. I really like your content, the way you speak, how clearly you deliver the messages and use critical thinking. Thank you!
Okay but there is a difference in for example saying smth problematic and sexually assaulting someone. Theres no excuse for doing that idc what pressure youre under its just disgusting
i think this video would have been much better received if it were not centered around an alleged sa. describing this scenario as drama and staying neutral in order to be objective is quite strange considering the context. i have found this argument to be very common though, which is whats so disheartening. that somehow the harsh state of our justice system is playing into how we ostracize people for being abusive, whether it be online or in person. when in reality, both our justice system and societal norms actually do a great job at letting sexual predators off the hook. abusers are forgiven by their friends and family as well as the law, and if not forgiven then met with great skepticism aimed at the victim in the situation. out of all the crime you could do, sa is one of the least prosecutable. its hard to have this discussion under the idea of fairness, when the victims of sa are always made to carry the burden of proof in these situations. literally any other crime would have been great for this video but sa just doesnt fit the bill imo
I mean, it's odd too, because we literally don't need any other pieces of evidence. There's no burden of proof to be had, because proof already exists.
Binging your videos. Glad the algorithm led me to your channel. Gotta say, you have such a talent for video essays. Your work shows you really take your time to research the topics you discuss. You are far more emotionally mature than I was in my early twenties. Wanted to comment and tell you thank you for your content and keep up the great work. You’re and foreign man’s videos were a great double feature! Phenomenal!
I hate hate hate with Sienna’s like youtube video where she was talking about this, she said “why didn’t u call me out?” for the S.A. (idk if that exactly what she said but it was something like that.) And i’m like if u get S.A ur not going to be in the right mind to just straight up confront someone. U gotta process when u just went through like !?!?! I found it very interesting she said that. Maybe it was just wrong choice of words but idk it wasn’t the best “apology” vid from her. I honestly also dunno if she apologized i don’t remember
I still cannot believe this is how sienna’s fame played out, once being in the same school as her and even same classes, its surreal to see. I would’ve never thought that a seemingly normal person could turn out to be so troubled and complex. You’ve worded everything perfectly as if its my thoughts on the situation being read aloud, hopefully people acknowledge these issues you addressed, especially the ones relating to “people who think they know everything” which is something that concerns me the most
I really appreciate the way you break down into simpler term for everone while you could go ahead with more complicated Philosophie associate with in depth politic, society and psychology. Really root for you Olivia
I just found your channel. I watched your Ben Shapiro/Peterson video and I can say I related to that experience. You are intelligent and I like your train of thought! Thank you for sharing!
Hey olisunvia i would love to see a video about male vs female sa reaction it seems a lot of people choose "sides with sienna bc of her gender. while some argue if it was the other way around the internets reaction would be different.
oh yes, i have seen people discuss that online and it is definitely possible that some people are inclined to believe jack less because he is a male victim. i will look into the topic more and maybe make a video on that if the allegations issue escalates
@@oliSUNvia maybe you could do one on the Amber Heard Johnny Depp case, since thats escalated to the stratosphere and there is a lot of available evidence from both sides! Id love to see your perspective on it since I've been binging your videos and your perspective always seems genuine and rational!
I swear to god,if it was the other way around,the internet would've set jack's life on fire,living nothing behind,but here,beacuse the accused is a female,simps and people who believe in the" perfect little angle " view many feminists have of women will defend her no matter what,and as a female this is very sad,seeing a woman dance in her underwear for SA "apology"
I can't stop watching these videos. The information gathered for each topic I've listened to is well rounded and from almost all viewpoints making it easier to stick around. It's like you're part of the discussion. Great work.
Something I wanna know is (from the video recording of Sienna being on top of Jack,) if someone was recording this and everything and they had friends over (I think i’m not sure) why didn’t anyone pull Sienna off of Jack or tell Sienna to stop?? U can record and do both of those things right??
People did eventually intervene and talked to her. I think it was recorded just so there would be evidence that she did it, not because it was something that was seen as funny. Even with proof people will still try to find any reason to not belive sexual assult victims
@@kfkkfk7995 you are missing the point and I don’t know if you’re doing it intentionally. If you are WHITE you have a GREATER chance at success especially when it comes to beauty standards which is MOSTY (Eurocentric). The key word is MOST Have a good day🥰
this whole video explains why i am all against cancel culture in general. we as human beings no matter if we have a large platform or not, we all make mistakes. we are all not perfect but we should always give space for ppl to reflect, acknowledge and learn from their mistakes and to progress as better
It’s also so weird to me how it was only after the allegation that people started to bring up how sienna was a bully in high school or whatever… like that should not be a part of the debate
I admire your ability to see situations in a broader context and think critically about the relationship between audience/fame/famous-person. Also i like the parallel you draw with the justice system and think you represent future thinking.
Just found this channel and I agree with a lot of what you said but disagree with some. I think it is fair for people to forever see you differently because you did something horrible. They have the right to not give you a second chance. No one is "owed" a second chance from the ppl they hurt. Bill Cosby could go to therapy but I'm still forever not going to trust him. That's the issue with rehabilitation is you have to trust the person and some of these ppl are just plain untrustworthy
i just found about your channel and i’m so happy that this happened!!! love the way you comment on issues like these, it’s somehow addictive hahahaahja
Cancellation system it's disgusting... I also think people can change if they want to and receive professional help in deeper situations, but I see a lot of people saying "if you did something bad, you are and always will be a bad person". Accepting that idea means that you think you are exactly the same person, with the same ideas and personality than 10 years ago and that who you are now even though you don't like thinks about your personality and want to change them, you never will be able to change those things even if you get professional help. Thank you Oli for all your vids, I love people who made videos about important subjects but most important, people that ARE NOT JUDGMENTAL and always tries to be FAIR!
believe me if I say, I would love to have a friend like you, with who I could just discuss seriously about issues in modern society. I tend to do monologues about issues but I see people generally are not interested in this. It's pretty sad for me. btw, I love your channel
I’m afraid to scan through the comments on this video because, as you predicted, you might be getting a lot of heat about your opinions. But I want to say: I have recently became acutely aware of the problematic nature of the “Twitter justice system”, and how easily people convince themselves that they are experts in any situation they hear about on social media and don’t think twice before passing judgment in a sometimes permanently damaging way. I want to thank you for speaking up about this. Even when you express your opinions, even when you say things that I might not 100% agree with, you do so in a respectful and thought-provoking manner and I really appreciate you so much for that! 🙏🏻
You are spot on. A book from the 1980s names The Culture of Narcissism had the following quote: "When feeling despair, they tend to seek out others with whom they can idealize and identify, in order to bask in these others' glow." Christopher Lasch "When we admire the accomplishments of others, we make them our own." Voltaire Looks is driven by evolutionary need to pass on our genes, according to scientists, much as for peacock. I've noticed that the.mosr viewed "Van Life" videos, though very interesting, are mostly posted by attractive young females. We kasi know that 80 to 90 % of "attention" is scored by 10 to 20% of the men. A whopping 40% of men do not procreate and the number is increasing with the obsession of looks and vicarious celebrity on social media, one of many effects of Narcissism that Dr. Lasch feared.
This was a great video to watch and get a look at how we the audience have responsibility for the rise and sustaining of famous people and the pressure they face. There were a whole lot more points you made and I noted them down to think about later cuz I got distracted often.
A very complete analysis of the whole situation. I don't follow these issues much, but I appreciate that there are people like you who really see what is behind this type of situation and know how to face them with an open and critical mind. I hope to continue watching content like this, best regards! I am an artist from Barcelona and I love to see that there are youtubers who really analyze these situations.
Around 11:28 you seem to be implying that it's the pressure from fame that causes their problematic behavior - that it makes otherwise good people to act poorly. But your causation is entirely backwards. Not long ago, people had to compete through corporate channels to get famous - and those channels acted as filters. Nowadays, fame has been democratized. It's very accessible - just about anybody can get a camera and upload. And I'm definitely not saying that's a bad thing, but it means there are no filters to who becomes famous - it's 100% up to whether there is an audience for the material. So, of course when looking at a sample of tik-tok-famous people, there is going to be a bias toward a certain type of person who is compelled to upload videos of themselves - narcissists, sociopaths, attention-whores. Fame doesn't make people do bad things. Fame certainly enables people to do bad things, but I think more-so, we just like to watch these types of people. Our lizard brains are drawn to sociopaths - it's why Trump became president. We make bad people famous because there is an energy and power in that sociopathy, and they are out there working for that attention. Couple that with the fact that fame is increasingly becoming stratified within groups - people are vain and just want to watch people they can identify with and see themselves in. These apps cater our self-absorbed interests because it matches up influencers and the influenced very well. Young people want to watch young people, and tik-tok is becoming Lord of the Flies.
this is a good point that i admittedly did not consider and i agree it plays a part, but i don't think my causation is *entirely* backwards. so many celebrities (not just those from tiktok) have stories about the peer pressure they faced when they became famous, particularly in their youth, and how it can feel extremely overwhelming to the point where they handle it in unhealthy ways
gurl! i have whatched some of your videos, subscribed and it took me a WHILE to notice ur at 8k i swear i would have thought you were at like 1M. this content is really good quality keep up the good work!
Love your vids, one thought I’ve noticed recently is that in real life there aren’t true heroes and villains. Every “good” person has done bad things and every “bad” person has done good things. Your Hitler example is a perfect analogy, and the fact that we chose celebrities often without looking at their character means they we’re going to pick people with unsavory characters, even if we like some of what they do.
brilliant video and interesting perspectives as usual. honestly pretty proud of you. i want the courage to be able to form coherence out of my own unique takes and project them out there for discussion one day as well. i love conversation on the world rn
i totally agree with you with things are not always black an white again! i feel like i always learn something from you and understand myself, my view, my opinions and thoughts better, thank you!
i really love watching your videos, i appreciate how you can make very mature conversasions and i really love listening to the issues you propone to us
appearance always becomes a reason and a part of the conversation around being famous because our society is obsessed with sex and more specifically, being sexually desirable.
i discovered ur channel thru ur depop haul video but ur video essays are great! people interested on the flaws and impact of cancel culture should definitely check out jon ronson’s tedtalk entitled “how one tweet can ruin your life”. i watched it years ago but it has made a lasting influence on the way i view cancel culture. he also has a related book on online shaming entitled “so you’ve been publicly shamed”. i have yet to read it myself but it seems v interesting!
SOMETHING PEOPLE AREN'T REALIZING IS THAT THE SIENNA MAE DRAMA IS NOT JUST TIK TOK DRAMA IT'S AN ACTUAL CRIME
true, i think i referred to it as 'drama' once in my video and i apologize for that. i recognize it's much more serious than that, which is why i think it's suitable to compare this situation to cases in the real legal justice system
@@oliSUNvia wait no no, I’m not talking about you,😭 I’m talking about those tik tok tea rooms you know 😀👍, the ones that report every single thing about tik tok “celebrities”
@@sarahailu2679 OH haha i see, yes
@@paige4443 there was a video of her kissing jack when he was drunk and unable to consent so... I don’t think we need to go to court.
@@paige4443 there was a video of her kissing jack when he was drunk and unable to consent so... I don’t think we need to go to court.
This channel is criminally underrated
Righttt
@@sexyrat8693 is this my next goal?
@@prettyrat. omg twin, yes, yes it is
or we'd make the wrong person famous...
Ikr
You are one of the most thoughtful and empathetic youtubers out there. I love that you remind people that humans and life are complex and never back and white. I hate how the majority of content I see on platforms is made for quick consumption. You defy those expectations and speak freely making your videos super deep and not for simple likes. I wish I had friends and family in my life like you.
comments like these are what make me feel as though i'm contributing something useful to this world. thank you
I agree wholeheartly. She is a really smart and empathetic person, and her channel is a real gem!
sienna and james "drama" isnt even drama, its straight up crime.
her video could still be applied
Yesss! We all start idolizing people who we like. That's something we shouldn't be doing since we all predict for them to be prefect and profound which always disappoints us when they don't meet out expectations.
Why do people do this though? It makes no sense to me why they put another human being on a pedestal and make them their idol or “god” in a sense… lol and get angry at them when they act human or make human mistakes. It’s so silly.
Idealization is one hell of a drug
@@dwilnau Its actually human nature whether we want to make sense of it or not.. But its amazing that we live in a day and age where we can gain self awareness and question our own actions and thoughts, which was impossible for most people to do without the information we have now! Human tendency to idolize something and someone also is profitable for businesses. Like Kpop is popular because the industry's goal is to construct groups and individuals that are seemingly perfect to get people as hooked as possible for money. Supply and demand.
@@dwilnau It goes back through out history and even prehistory. Why do you think we had Kings? People always desired people to idolize, follow, and emulate.
(Also… sex sells…)
The Protestant reformation is an example of idolization falling apart in front of reality.
That’s sad as fuck that you think that celebrities are you’re role model or parent figures.
i just found your channel this week and i seriously have to compliment your views and expressive vocabulary. your editing shows your effort, and it's refreshing to see someone have the same views as mine :) I really hope you begin to get recognition
really appreciate you being here aleena!!
dang i literally love everything about your personality, youre so opended minded and intelligent and it shows, like dang i would literally love you as a best friend 😩 if only there were more people like you
well then let's be besties 😽
I will not lie...this is the first video essay that has ACTUALLY made me self critical and consider my actions, morals and the way I behave. Good job (it's not the first first but damn it's been a while).
i swear i thought you were at like 26 subs and now you are at 1k. So proud of you! ❤️
i really am grateful that you have been with me from the beginning
And now, 10,000 subscribers. I’m so happy for her. 😁
And now 17k
@@WorldofDaisyFlowers 18k one day later
@@haniii3 we're on a streak
I agree with so much but with the sexual assault part. I don’t care why SM did it and what led her to do it, if she sexually assaulted him she sexually assaulted him, no excuses. It’s not “problematic behavior” it’s a crime. We can rope that with saying the N word or getting cancelled.
You’re roping a crime with saying the n word?
@@jerrychan186 I believe they meant can’t
@@jerrychan186 it's clearly a mistype JERRY
@@fink7968 shi my bad NOAH
literally her absurdly neutral approach to SA with VIDEO EVIDENCE is nauseating to watch. idk maybe im crazy but the way she talks about jack not wanting to “prove” his trauma to the entire world like it weakens his case when theres already evidence which sienna hasnt refuted makes me physically ill
Morals are dying. Toxic behavior is normalized and no one is perfect so of course there’s gonna be so many famous people nowadays being problematic. Cancel culture happens bc the fans are not perfect either. We all have these behavior flaws. Things are also too justified that’s why I narrow it down to no one can be perfect with anything we do or try. And it seems like the world is gonna get worse from here. I hope for the best as far as social media goes with new influencers. This video was well put, I love your content, keep shining girl
I don’t think people are any worse than they’ve ever been. We simply put a spotlight on a wider range of bad behaviors committed by public figures. And information spreads so fast because of the internet. The main difference is there seems to be more kids getting famous than ever, and that’s definitely not a great thing.
i dont think that toxic behaviour is normalized, i beleive most people would call out wrong action, most people would just want them to change and apologive and no longer do that behavour since we are all human beings and make bad actions whether on purpose or not,i think whats bad is sending hate to them instead of critiquing their actions,we should know how to be a decent human being and not hate, i beleive its just understanding and wanting growth for others :)
If you're not ready to be disappointed, don't put people on high pedestals. They will fall.
i didnt speak up about my SA until a year later. i was embarrassed and scared. dont assume SA victims werent actual victims because they dont speak up about right away
i 100% agree with you on people seeing celebrities situation and cancellations as black and white when even in our own personal life’s when something as serious as sexual assault gets accused there will always be people that suspicious. it’s part of human nature really.
i love how respectful you are with this, youre also so articulate!
off topic but youre so pretty aaah (dw im not a creeepy old man)
lol i trust that you're not a creepy old man, thank you love
Looking at how pretty she is and hearing how she says fame usually begins with being attractive
@@hmutandadzi well from her popularity she just proved her own point lol
6:48 "We perform virtually no background check in the people we hype up."
Until their reputation is compromised! Only then we can bring up their old tweets!
Loved your last few statements about Justice and Cancel Culture! I feel like we forget how quickly we become hypocrites, the fast cancelling does nothing but cause division and doesnt actually solve problems. And while age is never an excuse these young 'celebs' need room to grow and learn from their mistakes and I know that first hand as a teenager who sometime screws up. While we shouldn't ignore and act like their mistakes are okay cancelling and hating the person doesn't help. I love your videos!! 💗💗💗🦋
"As accountability goes up, authenticity goes down" YESS!!!
You're videos are so thoughtful. You are so smart and amazing!
Your videos are always extremely interesting. I love, love, love to hear viewpoints from people who don't just cancel everything they don't like. The part on cancel culture and the American justice system was also a good take!! Keep up your cool videos :)
Time after time we have proved that a man accused of sexual assault will get ten times worse heat than a woman accused of the same crime.
No 💀 did you hear what's happening to Amber Heard?
@@fauxskull5982 only cos somehow amber fucked up so badly that they through out her case on a deformation charge. you know how hard that is to pull off.
If she literally said nothing for 3 weeks she would have had a better result. she showed many times thought that she was dishonest and manipulative and controlling, to the point even if she never did what they said she did, she made a case against herself during the trial.
but for a more disturbing fact their was a tv program in the uk about a man who i think was either the first of one of only a few men who have ever gotten help from the police with domestic abuse. despite the fact the over a third of domestic abuse victims are men.
You’re undoubtedly one of the best TH-camrs right now!! I appreciate the amount of work you put into your videos and the facts you provide !! ❤️❤️ thank u sm
that's too big of a compliment omg tysm 💌
the fact that this video seems to be conflating "problematic" actions with s/a makes me genuinely uncomfortable. Sienna being caught on tape s/a ing jack isn't something she was ever, and i mean EVER pressured to do by anyone. that's a crime, not something as stupid as drinking underage.
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yes, and honestly as much as I hate using this comparison, imagine if the genders were reversed. "what led him to s/a her? What made him do this?", etc.
@@mikaelahill5554 that's the right way to think about it. Making up excuses like that, is just victim blaming. Next thing we know, they'll say "he shouldn't have been drunk next to a horny person,
Why and how are you peapol misunderstanding the video to this degree. There are two main points in this video one about the actual situation and one generaly talking about how becoming famous presures them and can result in awfull behaviour. She wasnt excusing anything with that part of the video just trying to make us take a look that part of beaing famous.
@@hombreg1 that is why most videos would be if it was a woman. how many women are told why did they drink so much or be in room with a male
this channel is amazing!! you speak SO eloquently, and i love that you have perspectives which can contrast the common ones for our context. it’s super duper refreshing to see someone coming from these different angles, and voicing things i’ve thought for a while, but going into such depth and asking questions that force me to really reconsider and reflect on everything.
You're so articulate! Thank you for making this. I'm looking forward to watching your channel grow!!
it’s always my pleasure!
You certainly are one of the most fair and knowledgeable young people I have seen on social media. It took me until middle age to learn how bad eyewitness testimony is, the judicial system gives it too much weight. you speak so well, clear and concise. Keep it up and I think you will be one of those pretty, famous, social media people, but you'll have something thoughtful to say. I've only seen 2 of your videos but I'm anxious to see more.
i was JUST asking myself this question omg hyped to watch this
I honestly cannot get enough of this channel; it has so many of the ideas that I’ve always thought of, and so many great ideas i never gave myself the idea to ponder. I always felt like cancel culture felt like supporting the death penalty in many ways. You are a brilliant content creator, thinker, and orator. Keep making videos, your content is amazing!
YES! Love this video and your opinions! Talent is definitely lacking nowadays and people focus more on your appearance. Everyone loves to say “why did we make them famous?” But that’s just it “WHY?” Their physical appearance? Or did you genuinely see “talent”?
Okay about the last part about Sienna and Jack, I know for a fact if Jack was a girl you wouldn’t be saying the whole “we don’t know the full story.” Like naw Jack was assaulted, there was evidence, and Sienna is wrong. This issue is black and white. Someone got assaulted, you can’t be neutral in these situations
Absolutely agree. Point blank was assaulted then she admitted to it. You cannot tell me she is "feeling bad because of the hate" those are the consequences of her own actions. But because she's a women she won't take as much backlash :/
exactly!! like i usually love her videos but this… it just felt so iffy to me.. why should we have sympathy for someone who sexually assaulted someone? there’s literally evidence too :/
Did you even watch the part of the video after that?
Thank you! That’s a crime with a victim and is one of the worst kind. I don’t care why she did it. Zero fairness. There’s a video of it I’m not sure why we are questioning why she did it or if she’s young.
@@kadp8096 she literally didn’t say that
i love this. Not the comparison of drama to a court case, but the need to become self-aware in the way we see the world. We as a society have grown to see the world as the other, and our preconceived notions blind us to the actual problems we discuss. To start any conversation without acknowledging that at the other side is a human as valid and complex as me, is to talk to a shadow of the actual truth.
I ma so thankful for my luck that i found your channel today. You are a literal example of how i should structure my essays. I really like your content, the way you speak, how clearly you deliver the messages and use critical thinking. Thank you!
I really loved the comparison between the justice system and cancel culture, it was a new take that I haven't seen anywhere else. Love this video! 💖
2:12 the tone in her voice 😭 jesus
Okay but there is a difference in for example saying smth problematic and sexually assaulting someone. Theres no excuse for doing that idc what pressure youre under its just disgusting
"there are alot of stars who only retain their fame because they are attractive" madam be spitting facts✨
i think this video would have been much better received if it were not centered around an alleged sa. describing this scenario as drama and staying neutral in order to be objective is quite strange considering the context. i have found this argument to be very common though, which is whats so disheartening. that somehow the harsh state of our justice system is playing into how we ostracize people for being abusive, whether it be online or in person. when in reality, both our justice system and societal norms actually do a great job at letting sexual predators off the hook. abusers are forgiven by their friends and family as well as the law, and if not forgiven then met with great skepticism aimed at the victim in the situation. out of all the crime you could do, sa is one of the least prosecutable. its hard to have this discussion under the idea of fairness, when the victims of sa are always made to carry the burden of proof in these situations. literally any other crime would have been great for this video but sa just doesnt fit the bill imo
I mean, it's odd too, because we literally don't need any other pieces of evidence. There's no burden of proof to be had, because proof already exists.
Then we'll end up with false accusations ruined people's lives which already happens.
Your channel is such a breath of fresh air. I’m so thankful to the TH-cam algorithm for suggesting one of your videos.
If you had a podcast, I would listen. You're very well-spoken and easy to listen to. You captivated my attention at the beginning.
Binging your videos. Glad the algorithm led me to your channel. Gotta say, you have such a talent for video essays. Your work shows you really take your time to research the topics you discuss. You are far more emotionally mature than I was in my early twenties. Wanted to comment and tell you thank you for your content and keep up the great work. You’re and foreign man’s videos were a great double feature! Phenomenal!
I hate hate hate with Sienna’s like youtube video where she was talking about this, she said “why didn’t u call me out?” for the S.A. (idk if that exactly what she said but it was something like that.) And i’m like if u get S.A ur not going to be in the right mind to just straight up confront someone. U gotta process when u just went through like !?!?! I found it very interesting she said that. Maybe it was just wrong choice of words but idk it wasn’t the best “apology” vid from her. I honestly also dunno if she apologized i don’t remember
Because she wasn't apologizing. Her video wasn't an apology video.
IT DOESN'T MATTER IF HE HOLDS THE KEY TO WORLD PEACE I STILL SHOULDN'T BE PRESSURE INTO TAKING PHOTOS OF HIM AND SENDING THEM
I still cannot believe this is how sienna’s fame played out, once being in the same school as her and even same classes, its surreal to see. I would’ve never thought that a seemingly normal person could turn out to be so troubled and complex. You’ve worded everything perfectly as if its my thoughts on the situation being read aloud, hopefully people acknowledge these issues you addressed, especially the ones relating to “people who think they know everything” which is something that concerns me the most
your literally so well spoken
Wow i love the way she talks…beautiful vocab, charismatic as fuq, extremely easy to listen to. Really nice work :)
I really appreciate the way you break down into simpler term for everone while you could go ahead with more complicated Philosophie associate with in depth politic, society and psychology. Really root for you Olivia
I just found your channel. I watched your Ben Shapiro/Peterson video and I can say I related to that experience. You are intelligent and I like your train of thought! Thank you for sharing!
These are the nuanced debates we need to have in order to create a new more fair online culture!
Social media puts narcissists on a pedestal because they are the best at portraying the perfect version of themselves
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Hey olisunvia i would love to see a video about male vs female sa reaction it seems a lot of people choose "sides with sienna bc of her gender. while some argue if it was the other way around the internets reaction would be different.
oh yes, i have seen people discuss that online and it is definitely possible that some people are inclined to believe jack less because he is a male victim. i will look into the topic more and maybe make a video on that if the allegations issue escalates
@@oliSUNvia maybe you could do one on the Amber Heard Johnny Depp case, since thats escalated to the stratosphere and there is a lot of available evidence from both sides! Id love to see your perspective on it since I've been binging your videos and your perspective always seems genuine and rational!
I swear to god,if it was the other way around,the internet would've set jack's life on fire,living nothing behind,but here,beacuse the accused is a female,simps and people who believe in the" perfect little angle " view many feminists have of women will defend her no matter what,and as a female this is very sad,seeing a woman dance in her underwear for SA "apology"
I can't stop watching these videos. The information gathered for each topic I've listened to is well rounded and from almost all viewpoints making it easier to stick around. It's like you're part of the discussion. Great work.
I'm so proud of you that you're at 1k now!! Don't forget me when you get more famous :))
aww thank you :')
and now she’s at 430k 🥲🥲 all grown up
Something I wanna know is (from the video recording of Sienna being on top of Jack,) if someone was recording this and everything and they had friends over (I think i’m not sure) why didn’t anyone pull Sienna off of Jack or tell Sienna to stop?? U can record and do both of those things right??
Because they probably thought it was funny. Guys aren’t typically seen as victims in these situations.
Yes exactly
People did eventually intervene and talked to her. I think it was recorded just so there would be evidence that she did it, not because it was something that was seen as funny. Even with proof people will still try to find any reason to not belive sexual assult victims
I just discovered this channel, and I'm so glad I did. Needless to say, I'm binge-watching all of it. So far, you've addressed very interesting topics
"what do they all have in common?" i answered THEY'RE WHITE LMAO
Some aren't though
wow so funny
@@kfkkfk7995 But, Whites are more famous.
@@animestudent3885 yeah, nicki minaj is such an underdog.
@@kfkkfk7995 you are missing the point and I don’t know if you’re doing it intentionally. If you are WHITE you have a GREATER chance at success especially when it comes to beauty standards which is MOSTY (Eurocentric). The key word is MOST
Have a good day🥰
this whole video explains why i am all against cancel culture in general. we as human beings no matter if we have a large platform or not, we all make mistakes. we are all not perfect but we should always give space for ppl to reflect, acknowledge and learn from their mistakes and to progress as better
now put what you said in a celebrity who has been found out being a nazi or far-right
i love your videos sm, and they are very educational
It blows my mind how positive mindsets like this don't get more views
It’s also so weird to me how it was only after the allegation that people started to bring up how sienna was a bully in high school or whatever… like that should not be a part of the debate
I don't think I've ever thought this hard about a vague topic like fame before. This channel so far has taught me lots so thanks 🙏
I admire your ability to see situations in a broader context and think critically about the relationship between audience/fame/famous-person. Also i like the parallel you draw with the justice system and think you represent future thinking.
Just found this channel and I agree with a lot of what you said but disagree with some. I think it is fair for people to forever see you differently because you did something horrible. They have the right to not give you a second chance. No one is "owed" a second chance from the ppl they hurt. Bill Cosby could go to therapy but I'm still forever not going to trust him. That's the issue with rehabilitation is you have to trust the person and some of these ppl are just plain untrustworthy
i just found about your channel and i’m so happy that this happened!!! love the way you comment on issues like these, it’s somehow addictive hahahaahja
Cancellation system it's disgusting... I also think people can change if they want to and receive professional help in deeper situations, but I see a lot of people saying "if you did something bad, you are and always will be a bad person". Accepting that idea means that you think you are exactly the same person, with the same ideas and personality than 10 years ago and that who you are now even though you don't like thinks about your personality and want to change them, you never will be able to change those things even if you get professional help. Thank you Oli for all your vids, I love people who made videos about important subjects but most important, people that ARE NOT JUDGMENTAL and always tries to be FAIR!
you're right, it's really about the looks. that's why i'm watching you;-)
I’m a new sub, I really really liked this video and the way your articulated yourself💞
such an interesting subject to discuss and your delivery makes it even better!
great vid !
Wow I’m so happy for you ❤️ I remember commenting on that video as if it was yesterday 🥲
Wow you've said it all.✨
I mean that's exactly my way of thinking and you've said it better than I ever could've 😮
You are basically speaking my heart
believe me if I say, I would love to have a friend like you, with who I could just discuss seriously about issues in modern society. I tend to do monologues about issues but I see people generally are not interested in this. It's pretty sad for me. btw, I love your channel
literally love your channel omg-
omg thank you🥺
@@oliSUNvia YOU REPLIED OMFG IM GONNA CRY-
im so addicted to binge watching all your videos.
I’m afraid to scan through the comments on this video because, as you predicted, you might be getting a lot of heat about your opinions. But I want to say: I have recently became acutely aware of the problematic nature of the “Twitter justice system”, and how easily people convince themselves that they are experts in any situation they hear about on social media and don’t think twice before passing judgment in a sometimes permanently damaging way. I want to thank you for speaking up about this. Even when you express your opinions, even when you say things that I might not 100% agree with, you do so in a respectful and thought-provoking manner and I really appreciate you so much for that! 🙏🏻
You are spot on. A book from the 1980s names The Culture of Narcissism had the following quote:
"When feeling despair, they tend to seek out others with whom they can idealize and identify, in order to bask in these others' glow."
Christopher Lasch
"When we admire the accomplishments of others, we make them our own."
Voltaire
Looks is driven by evolutionary need to pass on our genes, according to scientists, much as for peacock.
I've noticed that the.mosr viewed "Van Life" videos, though very interesting, are mostly posted by attractive young females. We kasi know that 80 to 90 % of "attention" is scored by 10 to 20% of the men. A whopping 40% of men do not procreate and the number is increasing with the obsession of looks and vicarious celebrity on social media, one of many effects of Narcissism that Dr. Lasch feared.
This was a great video to watch and get a look at how we the audience have responsibility for the rise and sustaining of famous people and the pressure they face. There were a whole lot more points you made and I noted them down to think about later cuz I got distracted often.
Your hair is really pretty like I’m obsessed
A very complete analysis of the whole situation. I don't follow these issues much, but I appreciate that there are people like you who really see what is behind this type of situation and know how to face them with an open and critical mind. I hope to continue watching content like this, best regards! I am an artist from Barcelona and I love to see that there are youtubers who really analyze these situations.
Around 11:28 you seem to be implying that it's the pressure from fame that causes their problematic behavior - that it makes otherwise good people to act poorly. But your causation is entirely backwards.
Not long ago, people had to compete through corporate channels to get famous - and those channels acted as filters. Nowadays, fame has been democratized. It's very accessible - just about anybody can get a camera and upload. And I'm definitely not saying that's a bad thing, but it means there are no filters to who becomes famous - it's 100% up to whether there is an audience for the material. So, of course when looking at a sample of tik-tok-famous people, there is going to be a bias toward a certain type of person who is compelled to upload videos of themselves - narcissists, sociopaths, attention-whores.
Fame doesn't make people do bad things. Fame certainly enables people to do bad things, but I think more-so, we just like to watch these types of people. Our lizard brains are drawn to sociopaths - it's why Trump became president. We make bad people famous because there is an energy and power in that sociopathy, and they are out there working for that attention.
Couple that with the fact that fame is increasingly becoming stratified within groups - people are vain and just want to watch people they can identify with and see themselves in. These apps cater our self-absorbed interests because it matches up influencers and the influenced very well. Young people want to watch young people, and tik-tok is becoming Lord of the Flies.
this is a good point that i admittedly did not consider and i agree it plays a part, but i don't think my causation is *entirely* backwards. so many celebrities (not just those from tiktok) have stories about the peer pressure they faced when they became famous, particularly in their youth, and how it can feel extremely overwhelming to the point where they handle it in unhealthy ways
gurl! i have whatched some of your videos, subscribed and it took me a WHILE to notice ur at 8k i swear i would have thought you were at like 1M. this content is really good quality keep up the good work!
you're too kind, thank you!
I'm so happy and glad that I found your channel. You have opened my eyes in many cases and problems. Thank you and continue doing it
Love your vids, one thought I’ve noticed recently is that in real life there aren’t true heroes and villains. Every “good” person has done bad things and every “bad” person has done good things. Your Hitler example is a perfect analogy, and the fact that we chose celebrities often without looking at their character means they we’re going to pick people with unsavory characters, even if we like some of what they do.
I love you so happy ive curated my algorithm to show me ppl like you
i would love to see u talk about more things things! i’m subscribing now lol
Your username is fucking right on the money! You're a shining sun in these ambiguous times -- keep shining, sun
This is really insightful and though provoking. Thanks!
brilliant video and interesting perspectives as usual. honestly pretty proud of you. i want the courage to be able to form coherence out of my own unique takes and project them out there for discussion one day as well. i love conversation on the world rn
i totally agree with you with things are not always black an white again! i feel like i always learn something from you and understand myself, my view, my opinions and thoughts better, thank you!
wow youre so good at analyzing things you should be an english tutor
i really love watching your videos, i appreciate how you can make very mature conversasions and i really love listening to the issues you propone to us
Great stuff, been enjoying lots of your vids. You're like way wiser than 99% of people your age and me lol.
tiktok just makes me so sad. its so centered around looks, people take every oppertunity to show of their looks or "glow ups".
I like the speed in which she speaks. So articulate and well spoken. She aspires me ❤️.
I wish we could arrange a place to meet somewhere. I loved your mindset. Keep doing sir. You da best.
thank you very much
The kpop Korean netizens are unforgiving when idols and actors screw up
you are srsly the coolest person i've ever seen
I think people love conflict too, whether we like it or not, it only makes them more famous.
I’m sorry but why was Sienna yelling in her second video about the allegations…… was it just the volume?
appearance always becomes a reason and a part of the conversation around being famous because our society is obsessed with sex and more specifically, being sexually desirable.
Sad really..
I'm so happy I came across your channel, I love your content
i discovered ur channel thru ur depop haul video but ur video essays are great! people interested on the flaws and impact of cancel culture should definitely check out jon ronson’s tedtalk entitled “how one tweet can ruin your life”. i watched it years ago but it has made a lasting influence on the way i view cancel culture. he also has a related book on online shaming entitled “so you’ve been publicly shamed”. i have yet to read it myself but it seems v interesting!
ooo thanks for the recommendation, i'll check it out