sienna mae's tiktok: the body positivity movement needs change
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0:58 sienna's bloating tiktok
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3:37 the defenders
4:34 the problem
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Can we have body neutrality instead of body positivity. Not everyone has an attractive body and they don’t need to. Just let people exist in their bodies without shame.
you put this exactly right! no matter how you look at it, it's still about being beautiful or attractive, when there are better things to worry about
I completely agree, not everyone has an attractive body, but everyone should have the right to feel beautiful, no matter what kind of body they have.
this
AGREE!!!
I agree.
she went from “body positivity” to “body touching”
OMFG
OMG-
LMAO U DID NOT
@@IShxkinxh 🤡🤡🤡😈she a not so cute baddie who had wayyyyyy too much confidence 😩🤧
STOPPP LMAO
the thing is sienna has never been "big", she's pretty much always been an average girl. in my opinion, she isnt saying that its okay to be bigger (which it is), because she's not. for me, the message was always that even though someone may seem skinny or average, they still have belly fat, back rolls, bloat after a big meal, etc
shes literally an hourglass ( or a pear) but she tried to make her stomach look bigger and "not flat "
@@urbutholstinks2304 ikr she always tried to make it look fat
@@kkddee her stomach is so toned and flat, she just wants to be "relatable". she denies that she is the beauty standard: tan, big hips, thighs, small waist and flat toned stomach
@@urbutholstinks2304 exactly
Yess and if you see teenage girls in public, lots of them have her body type! Many teenage girls tend to have smaller waists and wider hips and bigger thighs. It’s just how a lot of them are built (especially if they’re athletic). People just think she’s on the heavier side because all of the influencers and models are stick thin with a thigh gap and all of that. And btw I’m not hating on those models or influencers because everyone is built different obviously
yeah body positivity isn’t the issue with her anymore
this is so true
I keep seeing you in every video lmao
skssk I just saw you on Roma’s vid
Omg it’s u! Hey bestie
@@Name-tn1zg heyyyyy
no because ur jawline is probably/is the most gorgeous thing I’ve ever seen (JUST U IN GENERAL IS GORGEOUS FRR)
AW thank you wow feeling shy now
yesss 💅🏽
@@oliSUNvia cute
what's with slang sounding like one-liners taken from a long conversations?? Not hating, I'm actually really amused how starting a sentence with "no because" without having said anything beforehand or without replying to anyone has become popularized
@@thesleepydot tumblr popularized it I think, I too am very amused by how we’ve begun speaking like this. I think it’s very relatable and cute
Off topic but you have a beautiful facial structure
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i'm blushing omg thank u☺️
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Ikr she’s so pretty
To me, body positivity isn't about "all bodies are beautiful"; its more about "no one should have to feel that their body is ugly".
No that's stupid. Body positivity to me is "everyone should be respected regardless of how attractive they are. Because not everyone is attractive, and that's okay. Beauty is definitely subjective. Ugly and pretty is different for everyone"
@@ham-sley1308 You're missing the point completely:
Beauty is subjective sure, whatever. But *beauty standards* are very much a thing that exists socially beyond subjectivity. That is the point. That is the actual problem, because it's what creates shame in people "No one should have to feel that their body is ugly" implies that not embodying those beauty standards (whatever they might be) doesn't make your body "lesser". It has nothing to do with what individuals find attractive.
@@AlbornozVEVO hmm i can see your point now. I'm very sorry that I totally missed it in your original comment, and thank you for clearing it up for me😅 that is true some people who don't fit the beauty standards can be attractive too. Bc I've met those people before, whose features aren't really considered ideal but for some reason all those features they had just looked so well put together and they didn't look ugly. Nor did they look any less attractive than the beauty standard. For example in my 8th grade class there was a girl with a round face. Round faces are considered ugly in America. But for some reason she looked really pretty as well as her other features. They just looked so well put together, her face shape and all. She was one of the prettiest girls in the class to me. I'll be honest here, the beauty standard from my country is what I consider most attractive. But like i said, only *SOME* people who don't fit it are just as attractive to me in my personal opinion. And some people don't even think the beauty standard of their country is attractive which is totally fine too
@@ham-sley1308 if only people apologized like you nowadays
I believe the "no one should have to feel their body is ugly" is considered body neutrality where no one would give a damn on how your body looks (neither pretty nor ugly) and where people would be comfortable on whatever their body looks like. Nowadays body positivity is becoming a movement to make people who are "not fitting on beauty standards" feel that their bodies are beautiful and pretty which I believe some of them are just triggering people to look at their bodies (which could cause more anxiety and insecurity) but also some of them build such a confidence that makes the obesity and malnourished a "normal and beautiful".
The thing that makes me uncomfortable is that she's 16 and most of the men are old
She’s 16!!?? Omg I thought she was 18 or 19
She's 17. But, your point still stands
17
@@yorips2395 same thing it’s just a year...
@@janeo8045 men on tiktok stupid
the worst part about these beauty standards, especially when it comes to body standards, is that they constantly change. in the 90s and early 2000s the female beauty standard was to have a slim figure with little to no booty and body fat, which is unattainable to some people. whereas now, people aspire to have an hourglass figure with a small waist and big booty + boobs, which is unattainable to others ! it's super frustrating, especially when you see how everyone is struggling to fit into these standards when we all know inside that they will change in literally 10 or 15 years.
either way, sorry for the long comment lol, i really liked this video! :)
don’t say sorry i love longer comments! i completely agree, whether you’re gonna be genetically blessed with the ideal body type is just so random because you don’t know what time period you’re going to be born into sigh
what’s the point of listening to beauty standards? it’s just a way to bring down girls and boys in every way possible. we shouldn’t do anything for anyone at all and all bodies are perfect. do whatever makes you happy because we’re all going to die anyways it’s better to die happy than dying knowing you were trying to impress people all your life without even thinking of your personal needs.
who cares about anyone’s opinion tbh they don’t matter
@@naomi0120 i was just pointing out how beauty standards have always been incredibly fluid, and people bring themselves down because they don't fit into the current beauty standard (especially when it comes to physique), when the exact beauty standard they strive so hard for will be gone in less than five years. i think you may have misunderstood the intent behind my comment, which was to point what i just said out, not to tell people to change their bodies or bring people down lol
@@naomi0120 it's actually normal for humans, as herd animals, to care for their herd's (which is friends, family, society as a whole) opinions and want their approval. it obviously isn't good to base your existence on it, but instead of blaming people for their natural want for approval, we should maybe just tear down beauty standards that people base their self-worth on :) that's just my opinion, though!
Omg be a therapist your voice is so soothing and you bring about so much comfort
HAHA i'm so flattered
My problem is that the first thing people are ever talking about are looks.
You even said yourself that she looked and still looks great, but nobody mentioned whether or not she looked *happier* or felt healthier.
People that talk about "body positivity" only talk about looks. "Big is beautiful" and what not, but forgetting that it's not supposed to be about beauty. Beauty is subjective, health and wellness is actually less so.
Loving yourself doesn't mean simply "accepting yourself as you are", trying to convince yourself that you can't and definitely should never change in any way whatsoever. It means accepting yourself as a person who develops and grows, which means that you'll change.
It means that you should do what is best for you, mentally *and* physically.
I'm fucking tired of seeing insecure people whine about people getting into shape, because that attitude is unhealthy.
My morbidly obese mother is on the verge of getting diabetes, and "body positivity" isn't gonna help the knee which her weight has now destroyed. In the end, it shouldn't be about looking "beautiful", because beauty doesn't look the same to everyone. It should be about feeling well, being happy and content instead.
Being 40+ kg overweight hasn't made me feel ugly, it made me feel *uncomfortable.* It made my body hurt, it has been proven to make you lethargic and negatively affect your mood and psyche.
I've never looked at myself and felt ugly for being overweight, but for every kilo I've lost, I felt physically better. I could feel my back and knees hurting less, my mood getting better and even my digestion (which I had a problem with for years) improving because of a change in diet.
People keep talking about looks when it comes to this topic, because they don't *really* care whether or not *you're actually happy.*
They only care about validating their own looks and insecurities, and it's such a shame.
Very true. This is also my take to body positivity and self-love
Could not have said this better
you put it so well, i think the term you're looking for is maybe body neutrality, i think it's supposed to be that we need to stop trying to make things fit into beauty as if beauty defined whether something was worthy or good, i would even argue beyond that that seeing health as a moral good is not realistic for chronically ill people, health is objective but it is also relative to how healthy someone can be depending in whatever condition they might have for the rest of their life, the goal should simply and maybe tritely be to be the healthiest happiest version of yourself you can be given your lot in life and what you actually can control
Damn girl,you've me drop my jaw
such perfectly put, thank you for your service
also, they say she isn’t the right body for body positivity... then what is? i genuinely want to know.
Maybe someone who isnt the literal beauty standard
Sienna is literally slim thick, she has the Kardashian, Jenner body type. Anyone that doesn’t have the conventional body type ig idk but everyone that says she doesn’t have the right body for body positivity has a point
@@farahchowdhury6144 I think body positivity is for ALL body types. I would say the conventional body types might be different for you and I. (Victoria Secret models for example are slim and do not have “kardashian” body types” but they are seen as very beautiful). Just because someone seems to have an ideal body type to you does not mean that they cannot promote and encourage body positivity. I would also like to add that I don’t think Sienna Mae should keep the platform she has since her recent allegations (and the way she handled it).
@@nutellaJar you have a point but i’m saying like sienna now doesn’t deserve to be the face of a body positivity movement due to not only her recent allegations but also her page has been contradictory such as the bloating video
Lizzo is the definition of body positivity. She praises with pride how much everybody on its own is beautiful no matter how much criticize she gets
Siennamae saying that she's bloated when she still has a flat stomach reminds me of when my friend told me she wants to cry because she has a pimple--a very very small unrecognizable pimple, while I had like five cystic acnes on my face. 🙂
I agree that her video was tone deaf for people who *actually* bloat. Although we DON'T hate her, it should be okay to *correct* people who have a platform without anyone getting instantly offended and taking it as an insult.
At the same time though someone's insecurities can drastically change their perception of themselves and reality. One little pimple on one person could be more upsetting than 5 cystic acnes on another
@@matthewc3942 If someone indeed has a warped perception of themselves because of one pimple, wouldn't it be a sign of lack of empathy for them to complain about it in front of someone who has it worse? Imagine complaining about your sprain in front of a paraplegic person. Isn't it insensitive? I'm not saying that the person's feelings are invalid but maybe one should be mindful of the impact of their words before speaking it to another person.
I think it’s really unfair that people who we deem as conventionally attractive aren’t allowed to feel insecure about anything or comment on how they don’t like something about their appearance because it might make someone else feel bad this brings me back to when my mom would try to guilt me for having an eating disorder because she’s bigger than me by saying “if you think you’re big what do you see me as” when in reality it’s not about you it’s about how they feel and it’s disrespectful to invalidate it just because you don’t agree
@@shoshishoshi127 i feel like the concept of “having it worse” is a very immature and damaging way of thinking. you’re right, though, some people DO have it worse than others, but it’s not necessarily a lack of empathy; most of the times, depending on the situation, it’s either a warped perception that they can’t control or an empty mind. for example, i’m an immigrant and seeing white privileged people complain about superficial things really does get in my nerves some times, but i can’t blame it directly on them because they don’t know any better than the bubble they live in. i know immigrants “have it worse”, but it’s not always people’s fault to be empty minded. now, in a completely different case, insecurities can and will warp the perception you have of yourself because you’ll never see yourself the way others see you. beauty icons like megan fox have said that they have body dysmorphia.
i know it’s not easy to accept that someone you perceive as pretty don’t perceive themselves that way, but their insecurities are something they can’t control and it’s not a lack of empathy, is a psychological thing. you “having it worse” doesn’t invalidate everyone else’s insecurities and feelings.
@@upsidcs209 no i disagree. Op is right because it does upset the person who has it worse, and I think it's pretty obvious. Their friend's emotions were valid of course, but she wasn't blind and could clearly see how the person in front of her was struggling more (it's not the same as privileged people living in a bubble). If you value your friends feelings you wouldn't complain about such a thing just because you want to talk it out, at this instance it would negatively affect the person you're seeking support from, and of course they won't be able to provide any support. It's just insensitive and egoistic all around, I really don't understand why anyone would think it's appropriate
you're extremely pretty and you explained this perfectly
aw tysm
@@oliSUNvia love how you used to replay to every comment
Literally the first thing I thought when this video started playing was how pretty your eyes are. I was surprised about you being insecure about your monolids, I genuinely find them beautiful 🥰
you’re an angel 🥺 thank you i’m working on loving them the way they are!
@@oliSUNvia girl you are so freakin gorgeous! Well spoken and you seem kind. Subscriiiiibed
@@allisonmiller3669 wow thank you x1000
They are literally so adorable
Light I thought the same thing
I did listen to a podcast, (Hamzah’s “out of character”) where Sienna talked about why she was loosing weight for a period of time. She said she was feeling really depressed and lost her appetite because of how miserable she felt. She discussed how she wasn’t intentionally dieting or even wanted to loose weight in the first place. If anyone hasn’t seen the full video on TH-cam I recommend that you do.
thank you for providing more context!!
I now think it was when she and Jack "broke up"
There is no need for icons for body positivity because once you start depending on them for your own confidence then whatever they do starts basing your own actions and happiness which is extremely unhealthy.. everything is desirable or nothing is..if you transitioning from one body to another makes you happy by all means go for it but if if that's your choice not some random influencers you don't know personally about or they don't know what's on your mind..no one is obligated to help you get away from insecurities..Knight in shining armour doesn't exist in any form.. beauty standard should be non-existent..value everyone because in each way everyone is astounding and gorgeous.. don't let someone validate or invalidate you
periodt.
Love this
yes yes yes
Underrated comment 🙌
People saying she doesnt have the right body for spreading body positivity is kinda dumb. Body positivity shouldn't only be for people who are bigger so to speak, but also for EVERYONE. Everyone has insecurities, regardless of if youre skinny or big. And i hate the fact that people now only offer positivity to people who are bigger. Yes i understand it may not be considered "desirable" by society, but people can still be in their own heads and sel concious no matter what. Anyone can be body positive, regardless of body shape.
i feel people put too much pressure on sienna. she’s literally a child, and i’m sorry but the plus-size community literally forces their insecurities onto her, idgaf if yall get mad. people really got mad when she got skinny, like..? if she’s confident that’s what matters lol
she never made herself a body positivity figure, YALL did. being confident doesn’t make her the front-face of body positivity, she’s literally a teenage girl just dancing and having fun on an app like any teenager would. conclusion: yall should stfu and leave her alone; and she’s not an activist, or a body positivity icon, yall made her out to be. just leave her alone ( talking ab the tiktok comments, not u. loved ur video btw
@@hilol8036 thank you for your thoughts! i think there's just a lot of issues with children and teenagers becoming huge role models. it's not because teens can't be inspirational or smart, but we've all got so much to learn that it's kinda absurd to make one person the pinnacle of some social movement
@@oliSUNvia i agree in a way. great video though!! love the production
exactly! i also hate it when people say she “lost weight”, she is 16, her weight fluctuates, so one month she might be skinnier/bigger than the other month
@@marit2633 honestly. like one time i was sick for a week and lost 15 pounds, shit happens and its sick that people assume shes trying to lose weight when there could be hundreds of other reasons
She said on a podcast she lost weight because she fell into depression and struggled to eat, she kept throwing up and feeling nauseous (regarding what you said about her losing weight). You can obviously tell she suffers with body dysmorphia too. I really recommend listening to her podcast with Hamzah you can find it on TH-cam!
what podcast
thank you for sharing! i feel sorry for sienna who has so much pressure as a young woman :( which is why i think there shouldn't be so much focus on individuals being the "icons" or "face" of movements
I wanna hear about her depression being a cause of sexual assualt. So sad
Aged like milk
@@gunsaini5382 she shouldn’t have committed Sexual assault
Note for around the 3.30 mark: that is *not* bodychecking
Bodychecking is a term specifically for an ED’d behaviour, not just people flexing their bodies. It’s thrown around on tiktok incorrectly all the time, but it describes a very specific set of behaviours. Of herbs and altars has a great vid on the misuse of the term and the actual meaning if anyone is interested :)
this video is amazing wth 😭👍. you rlly get the message across and portray information rlly well
ah thank you
Monolids are GORGEOUS! Hating them to me seems QUITE blind. It's so sad that people are so influenced by whatever the convention of the time for beauty is :(
I agree whole heartily. It’s without being said because can do what they want to their body but i think natural monolid eyes area so beautiful and adorable and i wish people didn’t feel like they needed to meet western beauty standards
it's crazy bc I've got really hooded eyelids, enough that I can't do winged eyeliner and eyeshadow looks are invisible when I have my eyes open, and I hated them for the longest time... it feels like society wants us to hate how we look either way.
@@frances7575 i have hooded eyelids and i cant make eyeliner and i have little eyelid space between my eye brows and eye lashes so cant do much with eyeshadows and obviosly its the same case wiTG me when i open my eyes my eyeshadow becomes invisible . BUT I ABSOLUTELY LOVE MY HOODED EYES . Its so prettrtttty bruhh . I have seen so many ppl with hooded eyes not liking their natural eye lids which suprises me becuz its so prettty . It looks better without any eyeshadows and sometimes it does look good with light eyeshadows . whatever it is hooded eyes are really pretty and all my friebds who have noticed my eye love them too.
What are monolids
I feel this mostly with fitness influencers, it’s hard to find many fitness influencers who haven’t had large breasts already or implants. So when fitness influencers I like that are flat chested like me go and get implants I’m like “😩” on the inside and I don’t even want to watch them anymore :/
it's like they're trying to "be" natural without the natural part lol
Oof that's how's I feel :/ something about implants that make me sad, I feel like I can't relate to the person anymore
I feel like body positivity is just being comfortable in your body! Insecurities shouldn't be someone else's fault. Body modifications are fine! Gaining wight is fine! Losing wight is fine! Or not doing anything at all is F I N E. I feel like people need to understand that them being desperate for role models for their body type to make them feel better about them selves isn't self love, its just more insecurities. (in my opinion)
ur absolutely right mate
It's not...fine but their decision should be respected either way. As long as they're not hurting anyone, it's their problem and people should mind their own business
Sienna it was loving your body, not touching someone without consent.
slay
big slay
Just wanted to clarify for your sake: Hannah Kim explained that she got double eyelid surgery because her monolids had been a hindrance to her vision! She also expressed that she sincerely loved her monolids and didn’t want to have the surgery to fit “beauty standards”, but I believe she said that it was recommended to her by her doctor because of how much her eyelids were blocking her vision!!
I’m not Asian so idk I’m not the expert on monolids haha, but I googled it and google said monolids don’t affect vision?? So what’s going on here, is google wrong or Hannah being dishonest?
@@yoomsuu I guess you could be right, but I think it’s totally possible that monolids could hinder vision since some people’s kids are more low than others. Not that it’s common, but rare things like that are possible. I have seen that extra skin on a monolid (not necessarily the lid itself) or on a double eyelid for that matter can cause issues with vision.
@@janejennings04 Does monolid have more skin or less? I have 'droopy eyes', which is that?
@@raapyna8544 I am no expert, but I think that monolids don’t necessarily have “more or less”, depending on genetics I think any eye lid type could have more skin than usual!
@@yoomsuu Monolids can 100% affect vision. But it usually only affects vision when you look upwards (the droopiness of the lid will block certain angles). It usually only happens in older people who have monolids - my grandma had to get surgery at age 75 because her monolids was partially blocking her vision when she looked upward
But I’m not sure about Hannah tho…
the "she seems like a good person" did not age well
LMAO
agreed
What happened
@@situpstraightyoubananashap2754 she violated a guy while he wasn't conscious
@@situpstraightyoubananashap2754 she sexually assaulted a boy without consent🪦
Advice I wish I (23) could give my younger self (18): delete all social media and focus on yourself. Anyone reading this please take note. Comparison with others is a happiness theft and it's futile. People only post their best facade and it's never 100% true. You'll thrive and learn to be happy with yourself instead of comparing every aspect of your life to others.
Yeah agreed
I just turned 18, and I think it's a sign.. thank you!
I’m a teenager and thought it was too late, thank you for this reassurance ❤️🩹
edited to not show my exact age
Back in my day there was something called humility, having people fawning over you 24/7 isn't healthy for both parties
Humility will ways be lacking, no matter what generation you hail from
when was this????????
Look at all these old heads saying “back in my day” as if models weren’t starved even worse back then to fit the ideal body type of their age
@@lerosallyn9279 wrong, models starved themselves under the false assumption it would show off the clothes they model better, even back in my day 99.99% of people thought anorexic models looked gross, but today is equally the same with obese models, they're killing themselves just the same
Humility is lacking because everyone has a super computer in the palm of their hands, feeding them with constant validation. "Back in the day", if you were on a magazine cover, you still had to go outside and run into people who recognized you. These days you can take a picture and video of yourself once a week and be flooded with attention and validation. Humility is gone.
The moment you start looking for inspiration in others, that's when you start losing your own self and confidence.. someone else's body shouldn't be your canvas or be considered as a piece of art..it doesn't matter of how they feel with certain things of their body and being 'attractive' and you having same thing and not feeling the same.. what matters more is that your inner organs function smoothly and your healthy despite being skinny or fat or whatever it is..I for one am skinny like extremely and still confident because I learned to just be my own inspiration despite being bullied a lot or called a stick and then I go on social media and to some my body type is like the 'ideal one'..I got lost..I didn't know if I was supposed to have this body or not.. a lot of times identity crisis occurs because of this reason of looking or comparing one self with others..no one is the same..we all are carved differently and it's perfectly fine..as long as you are in peace with what and who you are nothing else matters..you can feel pretty with a certain body type as you should and also make someone else feel pretty for having a body type different than yours or majority of people.. don't glorify one and put down the other.. either lose it all or keep everything at a proper level..skinny isn't ideal nor is fat..being happy and healthy is.
i feel like the body positivity movement needs to change to "body neutrality". We are humans and it's impossible to *always* love ur body. We'll have bad days, We'll have good days and some we won't even think ab it. At the end, it's just a shell to hold our minds.
Thanks to this, I finally realized the problem with the "body positivitity" movement. We are not really questioning the borderline focus on the female anatomy and why it nearly feels like an obligation for it to appear as sexually appealling in one way or another, but we are trying to feed everyone the idea that ALL BODIES ARE SEXUALLY DESIRABLE.
I’ve binge watch a few of your videos and I love how articulate you are and how you say things you make the complex sound simple to understand
Stop I actually love your aesthetic, I can’t explain it but it’s so soothing n calming, you seem like a chill person to hang with ☺️
Just wanted to say that you’re so wonderfully articulate. Everything you say sounds super intelligent and yet is really easy to follow. Your persuasive skills are absolutely top notch my love xx
your voice is so soothing and you’re so thorough with your explanations, I completely agree with your perspective! I just subscribed!!!
i love how articulate you are and your voice is very comforting.
your example with the monolids helped me understand the issue so much so thank you 🤍
can I just say I love your voice sm? it's so soft and relaxing, it makes me feel so comforted
I treat my body like clothes. Sure, some fits look better than others. But it’s a temporary layer covering me that can and will change over time.
And this is, interestingly, the mentality that has gotten me farther in my fitness goals than ever before.
as a plus size girl - thanks for making this video
this means a lot, i’m so glad to hear this
I’m all for body positivity for any and every body type but i wish someone with a body that society deems unconventional has the platform she has instead. Especially after the news that just came out about siennna.
You said that perfectly and I can’t look at her the same after all the allegations and evidence.
this is so well spoken!
Besides this, there are now allegations, with proof, of her SA a guy and she's just playing it off like it's was a just a big mistake because she's "young"
Not like anyone cares when a woman SA a man anyway.
@@Tential1 but ppl care if woman sa man 😦
@@hukimak2705 don’t yo mean when a man SA,s a woman?
@@r3v3nant the person that i responded said that ppl don't care if a woman sa man 😅
@@hukimak2705 wtf omfg
youre so well spoken omg i wish i talked like this during presentations
also the video is so well madeee
the video is literally perfect, u make sense. kinds opened my eyes thank u and u have a new sub
not to be that guy but im tired of skinny people trying to convince me that they're fat
i get where you're coming from but I think some people who have an eating disorder for example genuinely think that they are "fat" and when they express their insecurity they probably don't mean to insult bigger people
i get wot u mean but some skinny people might be in an (idk how else to explain it) illusion that they’re fat because of insecurities or previous looks
@@skankfaceBECCA not for everyone
@@skankfaceBECCA so you’re saying that people with debilitating body dysmorphia are fat phobic. No one asks for that illness, you’re claiming they’re “fatphobic” as if it might not be because they don’t want other people to perceive them as fat even if they aren’t actually “fatphobic”. There’s a whole lot wrong with that comment
@@skankfaceBECCA or maybe you didn’t realise that it might not actually stem from hating being fat? As in there are other causes and not everything is about fat people.
For example when your weight is the only thing in your life you can control therefore body dysmorphia is/was developed around that concept, therefore they have incredible fear of losing that control but yay they have people like you being “hiii I know you can’t control your mental illness that I clearly know nothing about individually but you’re fatphobic 😚”. I mean I’m not gonna assume your life, but its extremely damaging when you think you can talk from the perspective of someone with body dysmorphia wether or not you have it, everybody’s illness and their causes are different and your naive urge to make the lives of people struggling from an extremely awful and debilitating mental illness worse by claiming that they hate fat people is also an issue.
And yes you are insulting me, you are assuming you know about my ED, you are assuming you know the causes of my ED, you are assuming you know about other people’s ED, you are jumping over a massive barrier that a lot of people do which is that starvation is commonly used as a form of self harm which is causes by or does causes body dysmorphia, you are assuming that other people don’t do it for other reasons than you, you are assuming YOUR internalised dislike of fat people is MY issue and you really want to generalise that. Pls learn what other causes actually are other than looking at it so literally.
One more thing, the genuine audacity of you to say “truly understanding YOUR mental illness” as if I don’t understand it. I’m saying this because I do understand what my mental illness is rooted in...that is the entire point whilst people like you decide what you instead know what other peoples mental illnesses are rooted in instead. Gn
I remember once my ballet teacher was talking about nutrition and she said “skinny doesn’t mean your healthy.” I can agree bc you can be really skinny but you got that way by starving yourself which isn’t healthy. So remember guys your perfect the way you are and society shouldn’t change your views of your awesome self! ❤️
girl your channel is literally gold i’m so glad i found it 💗💗
i love you ! you’re so smart and well spoken. I LOVE THIS, also aged so well
I love this video so much!! You seriously put into words what we couldn’t 💞 thank you
so happy to hear this :')
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Some people would be unhappy regardless of what her body looked like. Everyone’s body changes during their life whether they strive for it or not, this problem is bigger than a 17 year old. It’s literally a worldwide problem since the begging of time and let’s be realistic it’s not going to change that much there would always be beauty standards that most people can’t fit in to.
I'm shocked its only 741 views...this video needs more attention, also new subscriber ^^
love you!
I just love all your videos and you explained exactly what i've been thinking lately. It's a relief that other people think like me, also i'm in love with the way you talkn and express yourself TT
Wow your analogies and the way you explain things is so clear and easy to understand while also creating new perspectives gurl wow I’m very impressed by you😍
ok but on a side note this video is so well put together im subscribing (ur also rly pretty
thank u it means a lot! i hope i can continue to make good vids
As someone who struggles with body image issues, this video is amazing 😭 Can I just say that I love your hair 💕 it's so cute
aw thank you!!
wow, i love this so much!! you’re so eloquent and well spoken, good for you. great content ❤️
omg keep making videos!! soooo much potential i see for you! i love these analysis of modern issues type videos
i really enjoy the way that you present the topic, introduce the main figures, then break it all down from multiple perspectives. your videos really challenge me to relax when hearing opinions and viewpoints that don't necessarily line up with my own.
your sjw to conservative video punched me in the gut with the realization that I've had less and less exposure to opinions that challenge my own OUTSIDE of memes and posts ridiculing the "other side"
you're very thoughtful and I find that incredibly refreshing and challenging
thanks for working so hard and talking about topics that are important to you, and thank you SO MUCH for posting your work.
Just wanted to say, I was born in '96 and I was never one that had ever understood any of the current happenings of pop culture (even when I was in high school haha). I stumbled to your channel and I love how you showcase current pop culture in a neat, elaborate, and composed way. I've never been one that's very susceptive towards anything popular or viral, so it feels nice to understand things that are ''happening'. Also, thankyou for your choice of not placing background music in your videos. It helps to listen comfortably and really take in your points. Hope you keep doing what you're doing!
P.S. Apologies if my English appears rigid. I'm Indonesian and English is my second language, thus my lingo often come off as textbook hahaha
Your English is good!!
You are so inspiring! It means so much that you've done your research, keep being awesome!
Great video! I love the way you are able to express all nuances of a topic and bring up larger themes in situations!!
THIS IS SUCH A GOOD VIDEO IT NEEDS MORE VIEWS
i’m so grateful for your channel and your videos really shape me as a person, i hope you know how much of an impact you have on me and so many other people. off topic you are absolutely beautiful inside out and i absolutely admire u
The topics you cover are so interesting and great food for thought! Great content and research!
The solution to this is not to rely on external factors for your self-esteem. In other words don't rely on these social media influencers' content to help you. Each individual has to work on themselves by themselves, individuals need to be more aware that they can have power and control over their dilemmas. First step, reduce your social media consumption (or stop it completely). Then focus on other parts of yourself: your knowledge, personality ect. Also be aware of the people you surround yourself with.
okay but i enjoy how you lay out your videos. you say both sides and the whole story entirely and a conclusion/final thoughts at the end. i enjoy that, so i subscribed 😩👍‼️
I think this was a great take and you supported it/explained it perfectlyyyyyyy!!! You're incredibly smart and your intelligence shines through
The closest thing to “abolish beauty standards “ I could come up with is to include more diverse body images (diverse beauty types and choices ) into the mainstream media instead of just having a very narrow typical conventional beauty standard like we used to have
This video did not at all age well
Her message aged just fine.
The broader statement about individual-centric movements is fantastic and I WILL be using it, and citing you appropriately of course! Awesome video
This is such a good video . Very informative and you are so well spoken.
The main thing I hate about where the body positivity thing went is that it feels like you aren’t allowed to want to lose weight. I’m overweight. I need to lose weight for my health. HOWEVER, yeah, I want to lose weight for my appearance too. I don’t think there is anything wrong with wanting to look and feel healthier. But I got ripped apart for saying I wanted to lose weight for more than just health
lol this aged well
i love how you enunciate your words and speak at a not-rushed pace. it really makes a difference
came here after the video on modern love. great stuff, keep up the great work.
Such a great video. You have an amazing voice btw beautiful ❤
I love your curtain bangs!!
i love your outlook and the way you explained things in this video!! i completely agree. from the perspective of someone who’s fat: you’re so right that the body positivity movement, or any movement for that matter, shouldn’t be individual-centric. it creates unreasonable expectations and puts people in boxes that they may not feel comfortable in. i’m sure it’s a lot of pressure and it must be difficult to change and grow as a person (as we all do) and still be expected to stay in that same box they’ve been put in. at the same time, sienna seems to have become popular because of the body positive content she was making. it’s unfortunate, but she became an icon, whether it was intentional or not. having such a large audience comprised of people with body image issues comes with a lot of responsibility! it is completely her right to do what makes her happy and confident, and if changing her body is the solution for her then that’s what matters. however, when she makes content like the video you showed of herself body checking and saying she’s “bloated” when she’s clearly not, it’s an irresponsible way to use her platform. i just think it’s important for her to be mindful of what she’s posting and how it will impact her audience! no one’s asking her not to change her body, we just don’t want her to post videos that could be harmful to her audience.
your voice gives me so much peace~~~ I love your thoughts ♡
How do you not have more subscribers? This video is very interesting and the camera quality is also pretty good.
I- youre really pretty man
aw thank you ahh
binge watching all of ur vids. Can’t wait to see so much more from u 🖤
you're really articulate and thoughtful this was all really well said !
I feel like people are just jealous? I’m skinny yet whenever I eat a lot, my stomach gets super big... and her video didn’t even offend me. It’s natural for your stomach to expand in order to Accommodate what you just ate. People need to find peace with themselves and stay away from accounts that’ll make them insecure
i love how you talk and i want ur youtube channel to be famous!!!!!!!
thank u i'm feeling too flattered right now !!
idk if this means anything but you give me validation for putting yourself out there on the internet it’s cool and I hope you continue to make more awesome content
thank you so much for this video!! so important!!!
I think the issue with the video of her “bloated” is not that she’s just showing what she looks like after eating, it’s the fact that she wasn’t bloated. It’s like when a super skinny person calls themselves fat. It’s possibly coming from a place of insecurity but it’s insulting to those who do actually get bloated or are fat. If she was just honest with herself and her audience, I don’t think she would get as much hate. She will probably always get criticism for everything she does because that’s the life of an influencer, but it’s important to stay genuine. But if she does ever want to go down the path of body positivity, I do think it’s better to focus on taking care of your body than the end result of what your body looks like. And some people take it even farther and say body neutrality is the best mindset because you focus on who you are as a person instead of your body.
She was bloated. The camera was far away so it didn't look obvious but she was.
this deserves more views
What a great video! Your take is very balanced and I appreciate that.
i used so much of my brin power to understand this discussion you made. like wow, you’re so good at saying your ideas. i want to be able to think, speak and write (if you wrote a script which you probably didn’t do) like you 😭😩🥺
as someone who is a big girl myself, i never really thought sienna's message was ever specifically about big bodies. i just thought she's conveying that eventho she looks like a model she still has cellulites, bloats after eating, etc. i truly think the solution to this whole dilemma is to focus on body neutrality, not body positivity. body positivity forces these ideas where you still have to fit in the "pretty" mold and that your worth is relying on how much people are attracted to you plus most of body positivity videos i found nowadays are about this little features that is deemed "ugly" onto objectively pretty people, not yknow, the actual people who are directly affected by society's never ending judgement.
also you can notice how whenever someone who challenges the body positivity that falls into the "imperfectly perfect" category they were met by praises while if someone who looks like me, suddenly we're being shamed and told that we're "projecting" our insecurities and how we are just jealous of people who are prettier than us (ofc we do being correctly diagnosed by a doctor is a dream of mine that will never be achieved).
which brings me to my next point, even in body positivity we are still focusing on looks which you also stated in the video, how we cant just ignore that we found certain people attractive and certain are not (pretty privilege and all that). so to get rid of the idea that you need to find me pretty and attractive to EVER consider treating me as a normal human being, we need to focus on body neutrality where all bodies are accepted and normalized. who cares if that person has acne or fat or skinny or have large forehead or disproportionate body, who are we people to ever shame and demonize them for simply existing? we should, yknow, just let everyone live their lives in the shape that they were born in. why do we care so much about a random person's health? why do we feel the need to conform into the society's beauty standard if its gonna change anyways? so what if i dont wanna lose weight? so what if some stranger on social media decided to gain weight? why. do. we. care?????
tldr; body neutrality is better since it lets people who dont conform into beauty standard to just live without feeling they have to prove themselves worthy by trying to be attractive, which cant be attained since beauty is in the eye of beholder. i shouldnt have to feel like i wont marry someone because society has brainwashed me into thinking attractiveness is the only way to achieve happiness. you dont have to find me pretty, you just need to treat me like you would any other person.
I think there was this one video from Tee Noir about body positivity and she was talking about how beauty standards are always going to be there and that there is a theory going around to shift from all bodies are beautiful to all bodies are valid. That everyone is deserving of respect. That we can still feel beautiful to ourselves even without fitting into societal standards. And that all of it is okay. Because your body is still valid and should be protected.
i just discovered your videos and i realize we have very close points of view. this is the first time i feel so safe and understood in a comment section. i love people like you who are very open minded and mature.
also thank you for being here i really like your content!
I hate sienna Mae because, she sexually assaulted Jack
This is one of the reasons why I’m happy that squid game blew up, because Hoyeon basically reaffirms to society that monolids are attractive!
THERE SHOULD BE NO STANDARD WITH BEAUTY.
Yeah , but not all asian have monolids, a lot of japanese dont have monolids and most of them have really really big eyes because of jomon or ainu blood
Beauty standard is necessary
@@Ok-oo2kh yes of course I know that, but alot have monolids as well which most of the time are deemed not as attractive as double lids
@@Ok-oo2kh no, that’s a toxic statement to believe
@@sophiam1196 hayato tani , hideki go and ken hirai are pure japanese but they look 100% caucasian