i had a ben shapiro/jordan peterson phase... and i'm glad i did
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- i think this is my most controversial video so far, so let's see how this goes lol. i don't sound as eloquent without a script, but i hope you all still enjoy :) by the way, when i talk about the tactics conservative commentators use to sound persuasive, a lot of them apply to liberal politics as well. basically, don't blindly trust political commentators in general to dictate your morals and beliefs.
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TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 setting up the video
1:11 who is ben shapiro & jordan peterson?
2:44 how it began (my sjw phase)
6:46 entering my conservative phase
8:11 the turning point
15:35 becoming a ben shapiro fan
17:34 becoming a jordan peterson fan
22:14 breaking up with mr. shapiro & dr. peterson
26:17 conservative/right-wing tricks & tactics
32:17 do i regret this phase?
35:23 outro
SOURCES/LITERATURE THAT INFLUENCED MY THOUGHTS IN THIS VID:
Conservatives, Black Lives Matter, Racism | Larry Elder | POLITICS | Rubin Report: • Conservatives, Black L...
Jordan Peterson discusses whether men and women can ever be equal: • Jordan Peterson discus...
Heated debate on gender pronouns and free speech in Toronto: • Heated debate on gende...
Ben Shapiro DESTROYS Transgenderism And Pro-Abortion Arguments: • Ben Shapiro DESTROYS T...
Ben Shapiro DESTROYS Piers Morgan on Gun Control 01-09-13: • Ben Shapiro DESTROYS P...
Jordan Peterson debate on the gender pay gap, campus protests and postmodernism: • Jordan Peterson debate...
McMaster U. MELTDOWN (with Subtitles) - SJW insanity vs Jordan Peterson's monk-like calm: • McMaster U. MELTDOWN (...
ContraPoints "Jordan Peterson": • Jordan Peterson | Cont...
Philosophy Tube "Jordan Peterson's Ideology": • Jordan Peterson's Ideo...
Jordan Peterson doesn't understand postmodernism: • Jordan Peterson doesn'...
The Video Which Made Jordan Peterson Famous: • Video
Ben Shapiro ‘Owns the Libs’…But Who Owns Him?: legacy.tyt.com/2018/07/31/ben...
PragerU is conservatism for the youths-brought to you by old billionaires: www.dailydot.com/debug/prager...
“LET ME MAKE YOU FAMOUS”: HOW HOLLYWOOD INVENTED BEN SHAPIRO: www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/...
Why Ben Shapiro Is A Total Fraud: alexsheremet.com/ben-shapiro-...
Rittel, Horst. "Dilemmas in a General Theory of Planning." Policy Sciences, 1973: 155-169.
The Actual Science of James Damore’s Google Memo: www.wired.com/story/the-perni...
"Sapiens" by Yavul Harari
"Behind the Beautiful Forevers: Life, death, and hope in a Mumbai" by Katherine Boo
"Brave New World" by Aldous Huxley
"On the Genealogy of Morality" by Nietzsche
Liberty, Coercion, and the Limits of the State: doi.org/10.1002/9780470756621...
Public Goods and Social Justice: doi.org/10.1017/S153759271900...
The Arrangement between the Sexes: doi.org/10.1007/BF00206983
"Code of the Street" by Elijah Anderson
"The Second Sex" by Simone de Beauvoir
"The Oppositional Gaze" by Bell Hooks
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“I was just as close minded as the people I accused of being closed minded”
This. So much of this.
You can see examples of it in many of the comment threads here.
I've read a fair few comments giving their opinion or experience (usually quite mildly) only to receive a string of furious replies denouncing them and throwing insults and strawmen.
I guess it's just part of the human condition. After all, we are still apes and our base instincts have a far greater influence on our decision making than we like to acknowledge.
A really beautiful quote here
26:12
@@Seeattle added sm to the conversation 😩💀
Right?!
It's shocking to me that they don't realize they're different sides of the same coin.
It’s always confusing to me when americans use the terms liberal and left wing interchangeably. Here in europe they are usually considered polar opposites. The right is considered liberal, with the ideals of the free market and emphasis on individual responsibility, while the left is considered socialist with more responsibility for the state as a whole to look after its citizens.
In addition to that, in europe left wing and conservative are not considered opposites. We have a spectrum of left wing(socialist) and right wing(liberal) and then theres conservative versus progressive.
Out overton window is so far to the right socalism and communism mean the same thing and anything left of Republican is liberal
I think here in America what are considered liberals in Europe are called libertarians. There is a difference between the two. Liberals are more leftwing while libertarians are considered fiscal conservatives not necessarily moral conservatives.
By liberal do you mean Libertarians? If so, that would fit the use we use too. Liberals want more government control, because they believe they can control things more securely and enforce diversity and equality throughout the country.
Well that’s because America is a different country than yours so of course they are different. Liberalism and left wing are the destruction and downfall of society
I made a damn fan art of Ben saying “facts don’t care about your feelings” and he liked it on Twitter MY GOOOOD THE PAAAAIN
My condolences that you'll have to live with that, sending hugs :'D
Do you still have it 😂
Ben says facts don’t care about feelings, until it’s facts exposing Israeli war crimes 😭
@@vontae1339lmao
THIS IS SO REFRESHING. i went through the exact same thing. i was bullied so hard by students and professors in college for bringing up conservative topics in "open" discussions. and just because of that, i sunk my heels in, falling pretty deep into the ben shapiro rabbit hole. and JUST like you, i discovered the ugly side of the right as well. my republican step father would spew just awful things with no backing, which brought me to my independent political label today. all you can wish for on this journey is tolerance, love, and truth
Oh boy.
"I was wrong, and when people told be 'yo b*tch, you are outta line' I was line WHAT? I felt really uncomfy, it was like a real attack on my freedom of being wrong about everything, but then I saw someone else be wrong more loudly and I ALMOST reached self-awareness. I mean, it didn't make me rethink things really to the point of being right 'cause I'm still butthurt about that time I was called out for being wrong, but I'm, like, gonna sit it out" (You, probably)
@@puntodelectura"any opinion that does not unconditionally align with my side of the political spectrum is wrong because i have the critical thinking and awareness of a twelve year old and people should be attacked for basic use of free speech and having an opinion, especially in educational spaces. to convey this ridiculous message, i’m going to aim for a pointless form of irony that gives off a message that i’m too afraid to directly confront and clash with online and political discourse i don’t agree with and will instead make immature arguments with zero substance like this" (you, probably)
@@ivskwy_18LMAOO OMGG
@@ivskwy_18 Damn! Bro, don't make her cry...
🤣🤣👏
The problems is recently everyone thinks that they have to go extreme to one side or extreme to the other. They also make it their personality. Like calm down
Yeah I agree. The concept is weird. You don't have to fangirl over commentators or youtubers. Peterson is mad smart so it's always interesting to hear his thoughts on various psychological-related issues and watch some of his lectures, I don't care about anything else re climate change/god because he's not about that. And I know nothing about Shapiro etc because I don't really care.
Exactly!
Centrism wack. Pick a side to the max. 😎
Yes...blame on social media and their algorythm, anti intelectualism, society of spectacle, lack of justice , lack of an indetity and sense, negligence in mental health by the system that cares more about productivity and profits than people and their needs in some cities , hypernormalization , hyper reality,liquid modernity ,and so on ...
It's alarming how many people seem to say and believe "If you're not a ultra-left supercommunist then you might as well be a nazi", and how many people misunderstand what centrism really is. I don't label myself as a centrist because it's become a bit of a meme to hate and misunderstand centrism, but going by the actual definition I probably am a left-leaning centrist. Extremes are clearly what causes most of the problems, centrism does not mean being complacent with the status quo.
This is one thing i really hate about TH-cam and social media as a whole nowadays.
As soon as you start leaning left or right the algorithm picks up on it and starts blaring it in your face to get you to click on it. All it does is lead to confirmation bias and divisions
yeah youtube didn't change its algorithm that favours radicalization, it just made sure it radicalizes towards to the left instead of the right nowadays
If you watch both leftist and conservative materials this won’t happen though;
@@odst2247 Kinda of true but the algorithm is sort of able to tell what you prefer more.
@@odst2247 actually what it does is, it breaks the algorithm believe it or not. It's just sad people go into these "Phases" & become shit people or they break out of the left or right phases. Which then I notice they become decent people.
@@Shilpa_Kujur “prefer” is mainly based one what you watch more, you start watching ‘leftist” videos (whatever that is, or defined as) you’ll see those more, so you balance it out with whatever counters that, or you do as most people do, and just look up the content you’re looking for. Don’t you do that anyways? There’s billions of videos, don’t get stuck in your feed
As a conservative leaning person, I really appreciate you pointing out the tricks and things these conservative speakers use. It really bothers me that they foster a narrative while accusing the left of doing the exact same thing.
Also, How to Lie with Statistics by Darrell Huff is a really good book about how statistics can be misleading.
Thank you. It’s incredibly frustrating to watch someone demonize one side of an argument ( a lot of the use words like evil and demonic to discredit the left) while shoving their agendas down your throat
Using Statistics to be misleading is something that is so prevalent that everyone should learn about it. My kids are in grade school and I'm glad that they are still teaching in math and science classes how to make and read graphs and charts. The problems come in when they don't put in the important factors on the chart and then claim that they are showing something quite unrelated.
While I've met the conservative people that are "everything can be fixed with personal responsibility" people, I know more that are let's fix social and systemic problems at the local level so we can see if what we think will fix things will actually work.
I joke that being in the center is a great way to make everyone hate you 😅 but let's ignore the really crazy fringe ideas for a second. Say that there is a young couple, unmarried and out of work, that are going to have a baby. Everyone wants what is best for them. The left are likely to offer to abort the pregnancy, make sure there are state sponsored benefits paid to the woman since she's legally single, and try to support them from a government level. The opinion from the right might have a good dose of personal responsibility in there, encouraging the couple to get married or stay together to raise the child, but they are also going to want to help by making sure there are local food banks so the couple can eat, support churches and post birth centers who provide diapers, formula, and other supplies for children, be good neighbors that will mow their lawn, watch the baby, bring over casseroles or invite the family over for cook outs, and many other things that are specific to their needs from the town level.
When you find a group of people willing to discuss things, the common thread is always they want the best for people. A rising tide raises all ships. We win or lose together. However, when we disagree about what is best for people, the methods needed to achieve a common goal, or declare that we know what is right and invalidate people's personal desires about what they feel is best for them we get all the yelling and drama that is so prevalent in videos all over the internet today.
Kind of depressing grifters like Shapiro or Peterson are considered “representative” of the right
Based on people I interact with in my personal life and in my professional life as a social worker, I do not think this is accurate. While there are plenty of charitable right leaning people, they tend to stop at donations or the occasional charitable act. The while personal responsibility tends to foster poor attitudes towards the poor and homeless in particular. I hate to say that many left leaning people outside of my field are no better, as they are mostly performative in their actions. The sad fact is that society in the US places so much emphasis on individualism, which helps to foster these polarized issues. Left vs right, black vs white, lgbtq vs cis, younger generation vs older generation.
@@andrewsadler5418 lol I don't think we disagree at all actually. I was more describing my understanding about how both sides present solutions to societies problems. There is a dramatic decrease in community in the US compared to how my grandparents described things. There are only 2 or 3 of my neighbors that I would recognize if I saw them in the grocery store and I don't have their phone numbers or emails or anything. While there are small pockets where people can still find community around interests, I don't see the kind of community that people talk about either. Yesterday I said something that someone said they didn't feel was accurate, and I asked "Which part of my comment was it A or B?" Apparently that was offensive enough that they blocked me instead of letting me know what was wrong. I would love to know how to move society away from treating people like they are disposable.
I relate to this SO HARD. It feels sometimes that I can't talk about my opinions with anyone because everyone will just hate me. From both sides. I try to evaluate the information I take in with scrutiny, and hate hypocrisy and manipulation techniques. It's very frustrating navigating the modern cultural landscape because people are so quick to latch on to a viewpoint like it's scripture and be so sure that THEY"RE RIGHT that they leave no room for nuance or complexity. I've been repeating a phrase ad nauseum for the past four years. That phrase being "It's more complicated than you think it is"
Exactly. People are so blinded by theses cultish political parties that they just respond with anger. It’s shown in the comments of this video and throughout all democratic nations. People need to really calm down and take the time to focus on themselves, not what politicians want and say.
There are people like you ( and me ) around! We share a similar hatred of hypocrisy and manipulative techniques. You want to know what is so dangerous about this sentiment, though? Hypocrisy applies to YOU AND ME as well! No one is immune to it, rather, it is about monitoring ourselves and managing any creeping hypocrisy that wants to raise its ugly head within us again. We agree, too, regarding nuance and complexity, the need thereof. There is a difference between Complexity and Complicated. If you are a Truth-Seeker, learn how to distinguish between the two. I've been hated / "unfriended" by people very conservative to very progressive. They both hold extreme country club membership rules, believe they have THE truth, and will not have the intellectual honesty and courage to admit when another tribe has a good point. ( This happens in Religion / Politics / Culture & the Arts, etc. ) P.S. -- Again, watch out for any personal hypocrisy whatsoever. Often when anyone protests so much about another's fault, they usually contain a similar fault as well. Or, a good way to stay humble while open-minded is to ask oneself: Is there ANY way whatsoever that I am in error of the very thing I am judging as wrong? It doesn't have to be the exact same error/sin/evil, it can even be in another context or category altogether. We must stay humble while pursuing truth, utilizing critical thinking, forming our judgments. Peace & Love to you, fellow traveler.
The fact the she has no embarrassment and is able to put herself out on the internet like this makes it so genuine and respectable. This level of honesty is what we need. Everyone can relate to a degree.
Let's face that fact: the conservative side is incapable of forming ANY logical argument.
@@wuyi6945 That seems awfully emotional Serafinu...I think you missed the entire point.
@@Tcbca convince me
@@wuyi6945 I think it’s quite the opposite. I don’t think I identify with neither leftists or rightists but conservatives nowadays definitely form better arguments than liberals. Not to say that progressives suck at arguing, but conservatives are less common and need a way to get out there and they do that by forming logic arguments. I think Ben Shapiro is the definition a good debater and I can’t say the same for left wing representatives
@@animetoonshd3889 they make logic arguments but often reject new ones. i used to like being a conservative because they like making hard and important questions, and they don't sugar coat stuff, but that attitude stems from their hate of everything that's not capitalist, and their hate to people overall, they're often more adult and more experienced yet they seem too much into hating any new trend. take neopronouns for example, a normal reaction to neopronouns would be "that's silly as hell, what is the purpose? would someone even benefit from this?", maybe read about it to try and form an opinion... but no, they take it at face value, they act like it's a problem present in every school that needs to be erradicated or else their children will be castrated, when the real world outside of the internet is far more nuanced, people aren't really affected by these things, and they harass the new generation over anything, as if child neglect wasn't the main reason of their depressed mentality.
also i don't think there are many left wing representatives. like of course the right has Ben shapiro, jordan peterson and plenty other men in suits, but the left only has... zizek? and i like that dude but he's so old, channels like these represent the left a lot more i think
Most people won’t ever consider that they’ve had it wrong, especially life-long beliefs. That takes a lot of humility to explore
I'm actually the opposite. I am constantly second guessing my own views, but I think that's why I can trust them. I am incredibly critical of them, so I can pick out their flaws within certain situations.
shadowofhawk55 1 is correct. riddle me this: if someone is humble, deep thinking, and comfortable with admitting they are wrong, what do they do if they find out that they are right?
@@625098evan Keep it to yourself cause you know that people will either agree with you on it or remain entrenched in their own world view cause they are clearly right cause they know better than you. So nothing is really gained.
@@625098evan understand and empathize with how others who may have a incorrect view could come to that conclusion would be the next step
@@robxsiq7744, agreed. perhaps after that one could present day technology to help as many people as possible. using the previously stated humility of course.
I love how a good part of Gen Z is just in this constant state of learning and self-reflection, moreso so motivated to share this learning and reflection with the greater world. These are the little things that change the world.
2 years ago my liberal friend sent me this video and at the time I was entering a conservative phase and refused to watch it. Here I am 2 years later trying to come out of being a conservation and your thoughts are very eye-opening and intriguing. I too at the time though I knew the truth and I was really open-minded when I was actually very closed minded. I'm on a path now to be more general with my thinking and not immediately believe everything I hear from politicians or political speakers. it's just like you put things, every politician has an agenda.
If you truly are open minded, then check out Jared Taylor
@@Siegfried5846 He's just what I needed!
@@babyqueenxo That is good to hear.
I'm very proud of you, congratulations :)
Tbh it was very obnoxious of them to send that to you
I went through a really intense Jordan Peterson phase too. I think what is so addicting about it is watching the way intelligent people speak with confidence and self-assurance. Jordan Peterson is so purposeful with word choice, and always corrects interviewers who try to twist his meaning. As someone who sucks at arguing/debating, it's almost like watching an olympic athlete and I'm more in awe than anything?
Wow wow wow, exactly this! It was moreso awe-inducing for me to see someone calmly maintain their position and managing to keep up in discussions so effortlessly
Intelligence has nothing to do with confidence but people who can’t understand a discussion intellectually tend to believe the more confident person. Don’t let the way someone presents their argument influence your opinion.
That's exactly how I watch any debate or controversial interaction. Whether I'm watching Shapiro, Peterson, Harris, Destiny or Vaush, I'm more often than not watching it like a sports watcher rather than because I agree with anything they're saying. I just enjoy the art of debate and rhetoric.
Yeah same. But then I realised that I wasn't really understanding his arguments sometimes, sometimes because of my own fault and sometimes because he was speaking plain bs. I think he has some great insight on psychology, but on politics and sociology he's really not that educated, he's just a really good orator. I would recommend watching Contrapoints and Cass Eris's videos on him for a fair critique
@@notonfire7318 no the contrapoint video on him is bad.
Wich bullshit has he said?
For the most part he only said thinks that are fact.
"I was very sensitive to anyone who didn't think the way I did." That's the issue right there in a nut shell.
Is it sensitivity, or is an invitation to challenge? i can't speak for others, but i won't follow an ideology that has no followers who can make their case, yet claim to be doing what is best for everyone when they cannot convince me how it will benefit me.
@@derekb2314 it's becoming more and more common (and primarily from the left) for people to feel their superior morality and intelligence gives them the right to lie and mislead the masses because they want to protect them from the "bad side"
But when people find out that you're lying to them, they tend to push back pretty far the other direction.
@@frankvonfrauner yep. Which is why so many people are flocking to Jordan Peterson. It’s always better to give people the details and let them come their own conclusions rather than try to coerce them into one way of thinking, because when they find out you tried to coerce them then they will pull away forever.
@frankvonfrauner Don’t you realize that republicans and conservatives do the EXACT same thing though? It’s all about perspective, you can’t cherry pick when to call it out when there’s just as many liars and hypocrites on the other side
@@xhappyponyxwasmyoldname1395 what's even more interesting is that I never stated my political position.
While I was never a homophobe or racist or anything like that, I was pretty conservative in high school, way before anyone knew who either Shapiro or Peterson were--we're talking early to mid 1990s. Then I grew up and realized that life isn't a meritocracy, and that's really all it took to set me on a completely different path.
Can you explain to me what you mean by life isn't meritocracy?
Sorry i am kinda dumb , and i want to learn something.
@@silvervirio3642in meritocracy you get what you work, in reality, you can break your back and still make minimum wage
@@avik9661 That's explicitly not a meritocracy. A meritocracy is "Whoever is the best at filling the position, gets it." It's not how hard you work, it's how productive you are. Which is an extraordinarily important difference.
As for wages, how much you make is determined by how many people you benefit through your work, as well as how much you benefit them. The two are generally equally significant, and the higher they are, the more you make. That's how it works, no question about it.
@@romanscum5678 learn to read bruh, I said if you break your back, you really think that someone that is building something carrying weight and constructing isn’t impacting the final proyect? They are basically the people that bring the ideas to reality, meritocracy isn’t based on the number of people that you can have an impact on, it’s based on hard work and talent, search what the meritocratic system is based on and the definition
@@avik9661 It's funny that you said learn to read when I explicitly described meritocracy as being based off of who is the most productive. Not impact.
I brought up wages because you said that you can work extremely hard and still make minimum wage. A meritocracy doesn't determine how much each occupation makes, it only assigns positions. Payment for the work, at least differences of pay between different occupations, is handled in an area meritocracy has nothing to do with, which is how much your work impacts somebody, and how many people you impact.
Take for example a coal miner and the engineer supervising the mine. A meritocracy would assign the best engineer for the job to oversee, and the best miners available to actually mine. To not do this would violate meritocracy, but what *wouldn't* violate meritocracy is paying the engineer more than any single miner, even if proportionally a miner is better at mining than an engineer is at overseeing. That is what I was saying with the wages.
I love that you were able to trace things that influenced your line of thinking.
I love that you emphasized that being bullied for thoughts/views can definitely motivate you to lean even harder towards that belief.
It's very cool you were so transparent here and if you have recommendations for content creators that are focused on sparking a conversation rather then trying to tell you want to think, please send them my way!
This video perfectly describes the '13-year-old discovers politics' meme, and in a good way.
its the whole channel. shes a mental midget, uses very weak arguments and vast majority of examples that apply to all of humanity.
No in a bad way. I can’t wait for society to make right wingers afraid again
You were wrong back then, but there is no way you are wrong now right?
@@dddaaa6965 what does that even mean
@@ChristopherColumbusesFeet IF YOU ARE DUMB ENOUGH TO FALL FOR THIS THE FIRST TIME, HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU DIDN'T JUST FALL FOR IT AGAIN
the amount of self-awareness, maturity and reflection in this video is insane. absolutely love it
This level of self-awareness, maturity and reflection should be the norm.
@@onox4740 agree, but unfortunately it's not realistic
I mean. Took her long enough. Being surprised that black-on-black violence coexists next to racist oppression just because you're an impressionable high-schooler, and going so far as to let that change your mind about your political beliefs, is an indicator of some absurd amounts of naiveté.
I was an impressionable high-schooler, too, but that doesn't have to erase your ability to perceive the nuances of reality...Obviously black-on-black and ghetto violence is an issue. Doesn't mean the government shouldn't find better ways to dissolve it early on than to throw people in jail in herds. The resources invested into addressing the problem were pretty laughable compared to what could have been done, had priorities been more progress-oriented.
Tl;dr: You bet she was able to learn self-awareness. There's only so many years of your life that you can waste being mind-blown by the existence of a black conservative.
@@TheHadMatters i'm impressed not by the fact that she has changed her beliefes, but by her ability to fully and systematically understand what and why led her to the conclusions she made. It's extremely rare, most people dont bother themselves thinking about things like that. And it's okay to be impressionable when you are young. We can shape stable and solid systems of beliefes only by challenging and doubting them, so it's even good that she did that. And it wasnt a main point of your reply, but i would argue there is any opression in the modern western world, particularly in the US, where those ideas about opression come from. There is discrimination and certain problems for certain social groups, but saying that white people live their best lives at the expense of black people wouldn't be true
@@TheHadMatters agreed
I grew up in a conservative Christian home and really believed in most of the conservative talking point until college… my views became very liberal because college led me to ask something I didn’t think of doing growing up: asking why. Now I do it until I get to the point where I can’t anymore. I also do this in order to make sure that my view comports with reality.
Look up Jared Taylor, and see how his arguments hold up with your critical thinking.
@@Siegfried5846I did, and they don't really hold up at all.
@@theholypopechodeii4367 That seems unlikely. His reasoning is flawless.
Jared is based@@Siegfried5846
I went through that “Facts don’t care about your feelings” and I probably still am, but I’ve since come to the realization that the opposite is also true, strong feelings don’t care about the facts, either. It definitely pays to be emotionally aware and keep your emotions on a leash, lest you say or do something detrimental to yours or others’ safety and happiness. Feelings are fleeting, but there are some times when you have to realize that there’s no getting through to some people. Nevertheless, honesty and adherence to reality will always win out in the end.
EDIT: Forgot to mention that this the first video of yours I’ve seen, and I thank you for posting it!
Sounds like you learned HOW to think rather than WHAT to think. That's the key! You've also learned how to assess claims and what constitutes actual evidence. Good job!!!
What about WHY?
@@djhardcorehengst6356 So you don't turn into a MAGA!
@@misterdeity make American great again? Wdym
@@misterdeity Yea hate MAGA so much that you elect someone like Biden and Harris... Pure American failures 😂🤣😂
@@djhardcorehengst6356 The OP is just a close-minded leftist who has yet to learn "How to think?" but will preach others to do so...🤣😂🤣
I have started making an effort to stop consuming a lot of content, and actually talk to people. This has made me realize that people are actually good and want to listen to you. My biggest learning has been realizing that political opinions are a part of our personality but they do not entirely define us.
unless your a liberal who hates trump more than the devil seems like that's a large portion of youngsters
This is the only reasonable response. There are no sides. We're all just people. "Sides" are the divide and conquer strategy used to prevent people from thinking too hard, including the OP.
Oh my god, this is me literally. I got into a lot of arguments with my family basing my opinions over things I saw online. I just didn’t talk to anyone because I thought I might encounter some “awful thought” (aka different opinion). But when I decided ti actually talk to people and treat them as such, things just get a whole lot easier.
I've done both, but i just can't overcome the homophobia i live in my environment, sometimes it might be easier to some to just up and leave the idea of fighting in terms of politics.
But when you're told your going to hell and should not be treated as an equal, the idea that there's more good people than bad people doesn't resonate.
Cause it might be true but there's still people who given the chance would strip you of your rights, all because of ignorance and misinformation.
So much "content" ends up funnelling you onto a rail because of how the algorithms work, and not even in the ways you expect. It's important to listen to people and their experiences, and to also be aware of their biases. And above all: you gotta be kind.
I really appreciate this video, and it was very eye-opening to hear that a large part of how this journey started was the sort of social rejection from people online. I had a very similar incident happen recently myself where I tweeted something that I did not think through, and initially people were very gracious and some even messaged me privately and encouraged me to reevaluate my internal biases...until a screenshot was sent around and I was essentially booted from what I thought was an open-minded community. I came away feeling very defensive and bitter, and it took me quite a while to calm down and realize that the personal attacks aren't *really* personal, they're just reactive. The types of people who send hate and spread rumors are not the sort of people I'd like to associate with anyways, even if it is moderately justified.
hi olivia, i've been watching your videos for a week now! i love how deliberate, clear and genuine everything you say is. your content is so well-researched and filled with genuine and heartfelt reflection, that it's such a breath of air on youtube which is all about entertainment and drama. i learn so much from you and your videos! really makes me think. i hope you keep making them 💖
In 2016 I was getting off heroin and struggling mightily. Out of desperation I emailed Jordan Peterson, this was right around Bill c 16 so not quite at the height of his fame. He corresponded with me, gave me free access to his programs, and really took interest in helping me get clean. It's 2022 now, and I am still clean. I will always be grateful to that man
Wow ,I'm glad your doing better ,sending you so much love and peace
Well, if this is true (not trying to be a dick, just that it’s the internet, you never know) I’m glad you got clean and you’re doing better! I don’t agree with Jordan Peterson much, but I’m glad he was able to help you!
I don't think anyone would deny that Peterson is a good psychologist, and he probably helped many more like you. It was more of a tragedy of circumstances, some of his personal views just happened to have coincided with conservative reaction towards woke politics at the time, when the right was looking for its "high priest of reason" to speak for them. Peterson took that role even though much of the contestation that were occurring were outside of his area of expertise, perhaps by the prospect of recognition and public adoration that he could never dream of as a regular university professor. But from his debate with Zizek you can see a man who has been forced onto a stage that's a little too big for him. I wouldn't be surprised if the stress from all this played a part in his benzo addiction and bizarre lifestyle choices.
@@jameskennedy6719 Poor guy. Yeah, being thrust into the deep-end so to speak would be pretty rough
@@jameskennedy6719 Peterson isn't even right wing he's just a neolib larper like the rest of them
I sometimes feel so alone being a leftist who used to be conservative. It's so strange that most people don't change their opinions on things. It's like beliefs are more about identity than morality.
So true! I've found my people here!
I feel like the big thing is that politics don't have to be ethical to be relevant TO YOU. They have to be moral
aye man me too
@@wyass4722 well said
"It's like beliefs are more about identity than morality"
And there ya' go, hitting the nail on the head an everything....
I was a liberal most of my life. Then I fell into the conservative rabbit hole. Now, I understand both sides behave the same. They portray each other as extremists, while in reality most of their supporters are normal people. It's textbook polarization
Wow, I’m so glad this popped up in my feed. I listen to people on every side of the political aisle for this very reason. I think the saddest thing is that so many people nowadays lose their ability to have relationships with family members because of different beliefs. We get so caught up in things. We have almost no control over that we forget that the people right in front of us are the most important thing and all we really have in this life.
It is always good for the government when people are divided to the point were family can become enemy, because that way you will forget who the true enemy is
As a very leftleaning-guy this was very interesting. I think the biggest flaw on the left side currently is narrow-mindedness as you said. Never allowing yourselves or other people to ask difficult questions makes it easier for malicious people to make those questions but with bad answers. I loved hearing your thoughts, as it is important to know about the dangers of rabbit holes.
I'm probably more left-leaning than you (full left socialist), and, yes, the problem, no matter the side of the aisle you're on, is this weird "my team vs your team" dynamic present in modern politics causing narrow-mindedness. As a socialist, I identify more with working class Appalachians who vote Republican than I do a prog lib white woman who lived in suburban mcmansions her whole life. Meanwhile, I just sit over here like "You two bozos do realize the political spectrum isn't binary, and you won't even listen to anyone outside of the accepted, center-right norm, right?" Prog libs are fine with the way things are so long as no one hates black people and gay people. They're fine with human suffering so long as it isn't based on skin color, ethnicity, or gender.
What questions?
i think we (the left) dont have enough discretion between when is a good time to interrupt/yell/attack vs when to calmly respond and educate or just have a conversation. there is a time for each!
This is by design. Leftism is the denial of reality as a means to wish fulfillment. If sunlight is the best disinfectant, then sunlight must be kept out at all costs if one wishes to preserve the culture, nevermind that the culture is one of deadly bacteria being cultivated for use in bacteriological warfare. One can't be God if one acknowledges an entity higher than oneself, so deny the truth (because God is Truth) until the very moment God strikes you dead, and then continue denying God in hell (all Leftists are gnostics).
Trans rights are often brought up as an example of the left feeling like walking on eggshells when we are simply "asking questions," but truth be known,despite what Bill Maher claims. it is a myth spun by the right that if you simply ask "questions," you will get canceled. Why is it a myth? I give Lia thomas as an example. Lia rightfully should not have competed. Nobody on the left including MOST TRANSWOMEN gave any support to Lia. When FINA finally ended that embarrassing escapade by only allowing transgirls who never saw male puberty, compete, Nobody on the left, including the major trans influencers complained. Perhaps a few wackos like Veronica Ivy, who are guilty of taking trophies from women, did, but that was it.
As a non American, I find it interesting how it seems people cannot be in the middle there. It’s either you‘re into Ben Shapiro or you’re a SJW.
It’s not possible to agree with everything a party says. It’s just not
The problem is our two party state only representing two views, effectively bolstering tribalism and an "us vs them" mentality. Many other factors also play into this as well, but this is the source.
I don't think its just in America its just who is most outspoken or popularwho can sway what and how much you are willingly to learn more. Also I think she is canadian. It just come down on education and how they may just show one side. I do agree with you nothing is ever black and white and we should always try to strive to grow and learn :)
That’s ironic, because most Americans are moderates. The reason many believe other wise is that the media is more likely to report on extremist individuals. Seriosuly
I think there a a lot of people like that but they don't voice it. The extremes are always the most vocal.
its just easy for most normies to pick one camp or another because our political system endorses only 2 parties. if you're in a niche, you kind of have to work without saying that you believe in a niche ideology and try to get people in the mainstream to help you with your goals by means other than political election. this is both hard work and also sucks for the visibility of groups outside of the 2 parties. some movements outside of the democrat and republican parties go for high visibility, but being visible isn't always a benefit so long as there's governmental bodies that'll assassinate your leaders, have your whole movement slandered in the media, and then have your group be legally considered a terrorist organization if you start effecting noticeable change. woe.
i know that part of your point is more that there is no group that can properly represent the full range of beliefs of the individuals that comprise it, and all i can say to that is.......... yeah. the world would be a uniquely different place if any one unique person were the king of it all. but to make any kind of difference in the world, you either have to join a group or start doing personal actions to directly change your immediate area. or both. and joining a group often means that there is someone to direct your personal actions so that the combined force of multiple peoples' actions amounts to more than the sum of its parts. which is pretty appealing.
I can say I had this exact same phase in my life as well. Thank you for being open and honest about your experience. I think that it is important to constantly challenge the way that we think, and that isn’t always easy, but it is necessary.
Well said!
I am a MSc Social and Cultural Psychology student and I too had a Jordan Peterson/Ben Shapiro phase. Jordan Peterson being a person from my academic stream also was what drew me to him. But now, I don't lean towards their thoughts anymore. I still occasionally listen to Peterson, I find his analysis using Jungian psychodynamics and archetypes interesting since I've always been drawn to such psychological takes on the occult.
I totally relate to you on so many levels and I'm so happy to have found your channel. ❤
Can I ask what happened or what made you think otherwise of him? Im genuinely curious if anyone on this comment section actually had a very revealing enlightenment or if they are just coping really hard against the "scary" thought of them possibly agreeing or being on the conservative/right wing side because they think they are so evil for some reason.
@@Sylv01222 I used to be a very active listener, but I realized that he's constantly demonizing his opposition and as a result, slowly shifted away from him. He can't debate a modern leftist, without making vague remarks about horrible dictatorships, which were led by paranoid psychopaths, which are simply not representative for the kind of socialism, that we're having in contemporary Europe or what left-leaning Americans want for example. As a result of his recent stubbornness, I'd actually go as far as calling him closed-minded nowadays and I'm somewhat concerned, that it's linked to his cognitive decay setting in at this point
@@ganjacore you mean the socialism that is starting to ruin countries like spain, netherlands, sweden etc, where eventually an "extreme right wing fasci" leader has to arise so they can clean up the mess in an ever ending cycle. You mean the leftist ideas that make everyone fly out of blue states into red states, and socialistic/communistic countries into capitalism. Do you really it is just a coincidence that all the ones who have tried socialism have been paranoid psychos? Maybe him bringing that up all the time is him trying to shine a light on this very obvious pattern that yall are completely ignoring
Bouncing back and forth between extremes until you reach a happy medium is hard, but important for personal development.
But that medium is more left than liberalism. If youd really know about all ideologies, youd get yourself stuck in the middle somewhere at a social democracy. Maybe Democratic socialism
@@tieman3790 That’s what happened with me. From Conservative to Centrist to Democratic to Democratic Socialism.
@@musicdiary5768 I went far right, medium right, to center right, to liberitiran / social democracy / center right mix.
@@funnyspoon5120 isnt libertarian and social democracy literally the opposite;)
@Work In Progress so my guess is that makes you a social democrat. And i dont really see how public property takes away from the individual. Its the opposite, it creates more economic freedom
I stopped labeling myself when it comes to my views on things because I just see it as putting myself in a box. The world is too complicated and different issues are too deep to be black and white or pick a side on. I would say I generally have left leaving views but even that doesn't really correctly describe my views on things. I like to think that an intelligent person (such as yourself) constantly questions their own beliefs and who is feeding them these ideas, constantly trying to improve themselves.
look up a "political compass"
(also because it just feels right, look up Moran Cerf)
@@Swansen03 I’ve done the political compass test quite a few times and always ended up somewhere in the bottom left quadrant however I’ve never heard of Moran Cerf but I will definitely look into that. Thanks!
Smart. Life is not about politics
@@echoptic775 kinda is. Especially if you are a minority of some sort.
I completely agree with u
Thank you so much. I really appreciate your stance on tolerance. I went through a similar phase some time ago, when I struggled with both sides. Since then I try to keep in mind that the Dunning-Kruger effect also applies to me and that I am always holding opinions that I may later change.
genuinely appreciate your candidness in all of your videos, it is refreshing to see
I never thought a video like this would be on TH-cam. After my own phase, I felt super embarrassed about it and tried to act as if it had never happened. So seeing a video like yours really helps myself and hopefully many to feel ok about changing perspectives and thinking on your own without these popular figures doing it for you. So thank you again for this video!!
You need critical reading and listening skills if you are falling for people's diatribe.
God forbid we think for ourselves.
BTW, Peterson still has a lot of good things to say that are not political.
t. a leftist (not a centrist liberal)
@@dogchaser520 even a broken clock is right twice a day.
@@joaovmlsilva3509 He's right more often than that, though. In reality, most humans probably agree on at least 50% of things, which we ordinarily take for granted.
Peterson is a good traditional-style lecturer when he stays in his field and doesn't get political. I'm a professor myself and know the difference between a strong and weak lecturer. He could certainly improve by engaging with his students more rather than talking at them, but he's very good at keeping what he says relevant, so that traditional style works fine for him. (It doesn't work well for most people, and is generally the lowest and most basic form of teaching.)
The problem is when he wades into subjects about which he knows next to nothing: politics and economics, especially. That's not surprising. He just hasn't done much work there other than taken what he's learned from his field and tried to apply it. The reason he was "destroyed" by Žižek in their debate is because he lacks the fundamental understanding of the specifics of the discipline required in order to have intelligent discourse. It was as if he'd been asked to have a debate in Chinese: he just doesn't speak Chinese.
@@dogchaser520So there's no problem in engaging in a scientific field with no knowledge and claiming a lot of baseless things to fit his views? I'm not talking about self help discourse. there's a lot of books like that every year. stating the obvious counts as true anyway. What gets me is why he's so inconsistent with his discourses, creates concepts that himself fails to accomplish and preaches it as a rule. The word juggle that he makes to drift the argument/answer/question in a specific direction so he can say something about a strawman. That post modern neo marxist thing of his, is the most contradictory thing, because he doesn't seem to get how postmodern his speech is.
Its depressing that so few people will ever reach the level of self awareness and maturity that you've achieved at such a young age. (not to mention fashion sense) Thanks for sharing your story -- I hope a lot of people can learn from it!
I think this is a great comment!
hmmm yes 8:56
This is the type of awareness and maturity I try to strive for
@@kaibabun she's admitting her past mistakes there...im not saying that she's a self-aware saint but this is a bad example to disprove that
Majority of people reach these self awareness levels, but are not brave enough to admit that they were the same person they would call names on. And i include myself in this group.
You just articulated my political arc much better than I ever could. Thank you for being so vulnerable in this video
i’m so happy you made this video, i went through something really similar during blm and i’m now restructuring my beliefs. i feel embarrassed and ashamed but it feels really good to know i’m not the only one who had this experience
It's so interesting how masses of people went through the same phase at the same time. It seems like the failure of the school system, the rise of social media, and other factors all converged into one big wave that seems to have reached the shore in this comment section... Almost everything you said explained what I experienced and I feel more free now, like i can let go of this conservatism label I put on myself
It's true we really need more political education . Instead we get political branding. Actually we probably should all take marketing and media literacy classes too
@@unluckycloverfield4316 Political education sounds just like old school indoctrination.
Bien dit bro
@@simeondobrev5835 hey bro what d'où tu vois mon commentaire hahahaha
We should all inform ourselves on the dangers of stochastic terrorism. It always starts with some edgy jokes and before long they’ve become edgy “jokes.”
I had this phase about two years ago. It's nice that I'm not the only one who wants to seek the truth with an open mind as well as respect for freedom of speech.
i think most people r just chill. Whatever it is i like it when people can put their differences aside & still enjoy things together. Sounds cliche i know but thats the truth. I also hv faith when i see people criticizing their own side to do better.
@A man who rebells against the Illuminati and you're okay with this?
The exact thing happen to me but reversed sides
Same. That's why I like to watch conservative AND liberal youtubers
I mean Ben Shapiro has his right to free speech but that doesn't stop a vast majority of what he says from being bigoted nonsense with a nice dash of misinformation and lies.
You don't need to have a Ben Shapiro phase to be open minded lol
I really appreciate you taking the time to talk about your past experiences on this topic because I too relate a lot, I had a lot of people I was surrounded by who scewed my mind to think a certain way rather then letting myself think. At the time I didn't know anything about political and social issues, so when I absorbed any sort of information it would be from people who were incredibly conservative, which created a thought process that was completely one sided. The great thing about it is that during this process of shifting I started to get very curious about the truth as you say. Hearing different opinions from others, watching videos and reading about the topics it helped me grasp a sense of my OWN thoughts. Listening to this really helps me realise I wasn't alone on this journey and is actually quite informative too on certain things I havent thought about. Now these days I realise there is no side that I want to sit on, just would like to have discussions and listen to others thoughts. Anyways sorry for the paragraph. Thank you so much for this video. Xo
This is awesome. Thank you for sharing your story. As someone who has gone down a very similar path, it's rare to see someone speak so poignantly about the value of this kind of experience. It helped me put into perspective something I had been struggling to put into words. Thank you
Philosophy should be a required course in High School and/or College. The value of critical thinking and open minded thought cannot be overstated. The lack of simple critical thinking and logical reasoning is so lacking in modern discourse that it is truly stomach churning.
Here in Portugal you have 2 years of philosophy and an extra optional year, and boy, seeing how people behave online, it should be a mandatory class worldwide. It works on logic, critical thought, ageless questions such as the value of art, our will, and educates you on the process of making your argument constructive and comprehensive, yknow, so when you have to express an opinion you don't make yourself a fool and employ several logical fallacies that people online eat for breakfast.
If everyone had at least 2 years of philosophy class, you'd see the numbers of conspiracy nuts decrease
@@Gabriela-ps8bw Yeah that's the problem with school in general. They don't teach concepts, but rather facts.
Do you think Marxism should be a class as well
@@JoseGonzalez-kr8gg Marxism can be discussed in philosophy class, where the subject can be analysed and debated, yknow, how education on these subjects should go, not "x is bad, y is good. It is known".
@@miguelpadeiro762 marxism isnt philosophy. It's an entire system of analysis that warrants a class of its own. Political economy isnt taught well enough to kids before they can vote
seeing both sides from the inside and then taking a step back allows us to realize that the world is way more complex than left and right politics
Both sides have their crazy extremists. But from what I've seen, those on the far left are the true Cultists. Whatever their master says, they agree with. On the flip side, I see Trump supporters who actually disagree with some things that Trump says.
@@mikegriego3671 hmmm it seems to imply that no trump supporter blindly follows him, which isn't true. I've met a few people who directly contradict this. Always be carefull to measure apples with apples. Blindly following someone is a matter of will and habit, you can see all sorts of people do this. They could be students, workers, soldiers, religious folks, cultists, people in pyramid schemes, etc. I don't think it has any link to political allegence. Unless I misunderstood your point in which case, can you clarify what you are refering to? Because some sub groups are indeed more likely to encourage blind following, but it's usually specifically in the identity politics movement which, if taken the wrong way, encourages covert narcissism since they twist it in a way that you can't question someone by virtue of them simply existing. This kind of mentality is also present in many religious groups, in most groups where someone higher in the hierarchy cannot be questionned (work places, families, army, some toxic clics, etc.). I've seen it in some right wing groups but more overtly in the form of bullying, degrading someone if they start to take "the enemy's side", implying they lack strenght and intelligence untill the person feels forced to bend knees and stop questionning or to leave the group entirely, but there are also tactics to covince the person that they will be lost if they leave, so they feel trapped.
@@mikegriego3671 also you seem to have missed the point of my comment (but I might me the one who's unclear). Just pointing at "the left" or "the right" is pointless. Point at specific politics, specific ideas. That's the only way to avoid untrue and unjust generalizations about both sides. The right isn't just trump supporters, and the left isn't just identity politics and "wokes".
@@micheller3251 When did I say all?
@@mikegriego3671 sorry, reading back I realize I misread the sentence. I apologize.
Thank you so much for this video, and the risk you took making it.
I can totally relate to it at every point and especially the need to going back to academics and studies and philosophy to try to develop our own thinking.
Thank you so much for this, I look foward to your next video ❤️
I’m going through the same phase. Because my ex believed in gender roles and stereotypes and was slightly sexist, it has impacted my liberal thinking and sense of self to a great degree and I really hope I can come out of this with a better understanding and strong mindset.
You should check out Jared Taylor.
People need to understand that freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom from backlash/consequences. It means the GOVERNMENT can’t limit it, arrest you for speech.
you can tell the truth about something and get backlash. Doesn't make the backlash right. Y'all are saying "well you can tell the truth about something but it's okay if you suffer consequences for it". If that's the society we live in than I want it all to collapse.
Well said
@@ricardobotello2087 facts like Obama bombing 7 different nations and winning a peace prize is something like I'm talking about. Obama is the only peace prize winner to bomb another peace prize winner
@@tiffanywyatt5137 Alright let's go overthrow the government come on
@@tiffanywyatt5137 agreed, this quote sounds cool on a surface level. But completely shatters when you look deeper
I had a Ben Shapiro phase, and looking back, I realize what made me like him: his attempt at the appearance of intellectualism. The look and feel of being smart and morally superior. Even when he said incredibly rude and unkind things. The allure of feeling smart has always tempted me as a person. I was always praised for my intelligence or my maturity, and in order to appeal to my parents (far right) and to cover my insecurities, I doubled down on that. But now I see how immature and hateful I was. Now I see how immature and hateful everything was.
I’ve grown. I don’t see things in the black and white way I used to. And I’m a better person for it.
Idk I kind of get the idea Shapiro would be glad that you were able to learn to think for yourself whilst taking in his and others' information from either aisle. As a long time fan, HE is still the one who caused me to not listen to him and find disagreements. He's confident, still pretty damn smart... but I think it's up to us to not follow celebrities, politions, influencers, etc without question. Shapiro has never stopped saying that.
My life was very similar to this
Where do you stand now? For anyone who has gone through the political journey, I can’t imagine them drifting back left after experiencing Shapiro. I think the next step is just a right leaning centrist that understands that Shapiro isn’t always right but he has to push right wing policies.
@@ThomasFoolery8 Uh centrist I guess. I don’t particularly like the labels of right or left; it’s more an individual issue thing.
@@ThomasFoolery8 you can't imagine anyone drifting back left after experiencing Shapiro? Why not?. I did, alot of people have.
Super relatable. I was pretty much in the same boat as you a number of years ago and walked the same path during my end of high school immediate post high school era, defos fell into a lot of the same traps you did as well. I was also going through the worst of my mental health struggles and I was just bitter and angry at the world and I gravitated to people that I viewed as sort of "taking a stand" against it which I defos feel was a contributor. Likewise I am similarly grateful for the experience as viewing the conflict from both sides I feel has granted me a much more open minded perspective than anyone that hasn't.
thank you for this video, I've been on this journey myself and its tough feeling like I can't be open about my middle way view without being bullied. The machine's ability to divide us is strong but I think people are slowly waking up to the shortcomings of both sides and the peace and truth that we all want deep down!!
we need to bring back critical thinking skills because i promise you that you can understand peoples belief and viewpoints by just TALKING to them instead of switching to extremes as soon as someone asks you a hard question. we do not need shaking morals in the society think for yourself and figure out the nuisances PLS 😭
Joardan Peterson and Ben Shapiro sure are nuisances
literally
Yes critical thinking skills are only held by people who agree with me. I'm with you on this.
critical thinking is really the most important thing they ask from you in high school in france
it's true, once there is disagreement, people tend to the extremes to make the confrontation even more sustained, this is why the left has responsibility in the rise of alt right
As someone who went from uniformed SJW to “edgy anti-SJW centrist” to “informed leftist”, I can really relate. It’s really painful to watch people go from left-leaning to right-leaning because they don’t like a subset of SJW’s.
The sad thing is, anyone who isn’t on the left just sees sjws🤷🏻♀️ we need the logical and caring left that we’ve had in the past
Be careful not to offer up the "SJWs" as a sacrifice. If somebody is willing to rally, protest and fight for minorities, they're doing the right thing. Don't turn your anger towards them, keep it focused on the people who oppress from a place of power.
Same
Leftoid spotted
@@russ7625 Not necessarily true. A lot of people would claim I am a conservative (I am really very center and a bit libertarian). I certainly don't think all left-leaning people are SJW. It just seems to be exacerbated at younger ages when teens don't have too many real life experiences but have the time to protest. Unfortunately, the majority of social media is young people so the media appears to be made up of SJWs.
Thank you for sharing your journey. In my 20's working in retail surrounded by other 20 year olds I met many who would jump down your throat for daring to utter an idea or opinion opposing their fringe ideas. I can empathize with how this impacted your worldview even briefly. College was an eye opener, but more so for me was meeting more diverse people in the work space or school setting. My schools growing up were 95% white with conservative leanings. It made for many narrow minded ideas when came into the world.
A bit late on this comment, but thanks for sharing this! I’m also gen z and naturally had a similar phase pretty recently after graduating college. It’s definitely exhausting how polarizing politics usually are so it’s refreshing to get a take like this one.
They de-radicalized you, and so they did their job well. even if you eventually came to disagree with much of what they were saying, they taught you to at least listen to opposing viewpoints, and ask yourself honestly if they have any merit. This is the first and most important step to debate and discussion. And these things are what lead to a fair society!
@The Lost Peterson is very intelligent, and that’s where the trap lies. His answers are very intelligent-sounding. However, they are not always coherent. Unfortunately most people aren’t equipped with the critical thinking skills nor education and knowledge to break down his often false and roundabout arguments. When I was in high school, coincidentally when I was at my “edgy” phase and still did not have any meaningful knowledge of politics, I was a conservative. However, I would say that I got lucky due to the pandemic; it gave me some time to re-evaluate what I was listening to. I am in a situation similar to the girl in this video, although my views have much influence from Marxism now. I agree with her that being “left” or “right” is reductive and limits the exploration and discoveries that could otherwise be had.
@@JoeARedHawk275 It's such a shame that the unwashed masses aren't as enlightened as you, oh great one. I apologize for this idiotic world which burdens you so, but I do hope and pray that a day will come when you may make us all equal under your great leadership.
@@JoeARedHawk275 lol
@@JoeARedHawk275 May I ask why do now lean towards Marxism?
@@JoeARedHawk275 I’m curious what your response to the economic calculation problem of socialism theorized by Ludwig Von Mises is
I really hate when people use stats in arguments because numbers and studies taken out of context can be easily misunderstood
I agree 100%. The reality is though, alot of people who throw stats in will find a hand full of statistics that support their claims and use it on repeat. If you notice when people such as Ben Shapiro debate, he's literally repeating verbatim the same % and studies that he has on a 10 index file cabinet in the back of his head.
Real statistics/probability used for science and actual ground breaking theories require more than 10 studies on a subject matter. They require 100's. But in a debate no one will really fact check you for more than 2-3 sources you bring up that support your claim.
It really is one of the biggest fallacies to think just because you know a few statistics from a few studies that you are educated to speak on a subject matter. I've work with physicists who have spent their lives researching a single subject matter and still cannot say conclusively whether something is left or right. We should be approaching all theories/beliefs/studies with the same level of prejudice and uncertainty.
I really hate when people don't use stats in arguments because numbers and studies can be easily understood.
@@StimPakTskAwwYea what is your best advice for someone looking to find “the truth” and see through all of the cherry-picking? I anticipate you saying to do my own research, but I find that even research is difficult to decipher.
Yes! I always want to know what study someone got their statistics because there can be so many different stats and studies on one issue. I think the best thing about more academic sources is that all of the sources a person has used need to be referenced so you can check them out yourself later
@@giraffestatus2074 it definitely is difficult! if you’re talking to someone, press them for sources, and then looking into those sources (you can look up something like “[study] criticism”. if you just see it floating somewhere throughout the internet, you can look up the stat/source and the key is: why and how? that’s only a start but it’s a good one imo!
I really relate to this even though I didn't rly notice it at first, but I went through the same journey as you. Thanks for making me realize this.
As a person who grew up in the south, I learned quite literally nothing about racism, homophobia, or helping the poor. Eye opening to see that not everyone was so shielded from the outside world.
As a swiss I personally think it's very sad that the youth especially in other countries apparently doesn't learn how to debate and question studies/articles in school. It makes them very influenceable for quick radical content on platforms like TH-cam, Twitter and TikTok. We have to debate and write essays on different articles from known right winged and left winged newspapers. It's literally the main thing in language classes and history class here in Switzerland but only in High School which most kids don't get to visit.
I find these phases sad BUT if that's the only way teenagers start to do their own research then I'm glad too. Just wish it would be way less necessary. Because it seems like many young Americans went trough an alt right phase and that shows how the school system failed them. And you can't expect everyone to go to college to start question things. It must be tought at 14 or now a days even earlier like 12.
It's also annoying that important words become buzzwords for political ideologies. Debates immediately get shut down.
I agree with everything you said!!
Yeah our education system in the U.S. is a real problem. I'd hesitate to pin the majority of the blame on schools though. The American media landscape is very sensationalistic and often skews to the political extremes because level headed discussion does not draw as much attention. On top of this there are deeply partisan currents that flow through every aspect of our culture. In America your political positions are often inherited from your family and community. It seems almost impossible to have a civil discussion about anything anymore because people live in different descriptive realities depending on their media diets and social circles.
That sounds so cool. I like watch people debate and stuff, and I also like to do that. But I'm so afraid because I've never been in such a debate. I'm also so uncomfortable with opposing things even when I have good points. I think should learn to do that. It's really gonna help you throughout your life.
Schools in America don’t turn kids alt right, quite the opposite.
If you believe watching Ben Shapiro or Jordan Peterson makes you alt right then I encourage to please watch their videos. I have never seen anything close to alt right from them, especially Jordan Peterson. Also, American highschool does far more of creating far leftists than alt right.
I just started college and I made a friend who is very conservative, she’s also one of the kindest people I know. Your bit about being more tolerant of people who disagree with us almost made me cry. I’m glad I met her.
I had a similar relationship. We are all stronger together.
I’m in a similar situation but the roles reversed. I have a roommate I’ve lived with for 2-3 years who’s much less conservatives and less religious than I am. That said he’s one of the nicest people I know and we get along really well irrespective of our differences, which I’m really grateful for.
I hate people like you some of you friend can have hurtful and dangerous take about others but because they kind 🥺 you forgive everything
@Les Toussaint this one of the best comments I ever read keep in touch w these ppl for a long time the only way the world can really move in a positive direction is for ppl who disagree to have respectful discussion
@@hisookey136 you probably have a lot of bad, damaging and hurtful takes as well and you don't realize it. Or not. My point is people can be wrong. Maybe that conservative friend of hers is wrong on certain things. It is what it is. What matters is how good of a person can that friend be. Same with you.
I went through phases so similar to these. I was trying to find "the truth" and understand more of our world through conservatism, but I was fueled by more hate (from unrelated personal matters) and took it out on those who were against me and close minded. I was trying to find myself and was in turn damaged by my peers so badly that all I wanted to do was argue, which costed me many relationships and some that I'm afraid can never be recovered. I don't think a lot of people, on both left and right, understand how damaging it is to be so polarizing. At the end of the day people are just people. Some people are more wrong than others but no one is ever 100% right, and the goal of those more correct should never be to put those who are wrong down, but to equally share their opinions. Not only do I wish I never vouched so strongly for misguided and incorrect republican beliefs, I wish I was never a part of a group that was so verbally cruel to the opposing team.
Now that I don't feel the need to find an identity through any political group, I am still afraid to share any political opinion in fear of losing everything again. I have changed and grown so much in the past couple of years and I know there are others like me. I hope that people become more tolerable of each other, not because of a race or identity but because we are all just humans with the same minds trying to make the most with what we have.
A very nuanced take on your two major phases, oli. I never went the conservative route myself, but did oscillate between scepticism of issues like identity politics and wholeheartedly embracing them, from what one would call a left-wing perspective. Now, after a lot of learning, I've learnt that there isn't a 'correct' political position one has to take. It's been one of the most important lessons I've learnt to date.
As a black person its always funny to me when I introduce the idea to my non black friends that a lot of black people are really conservative when you sit down with them and talk about things.
They may vote democrat but it’s usually because of taxes.
This is certainly something I observed as well. The problem comes when people assume that "listen to minorities" means that minorities are always right, or even worse, that minorities can't be bigoted.
@@SLYKM And many are also guilty of homogenizing minorities. For example from what I heard most US latinos (I hope it is a propper term, I'm not native) are very coservative. Many of them don't even see themselves as a minority.
As a black person too that hasn’t ever been my experience, maybe it’s a geographical difference but non of my friends really hold conservative values
@@lanxy2398 I think you're right. I live in a red state and most people here are socially conservative to point where I am more likely to see a white leftist than a black leftist but also I have only met one black person who would vote Republican, but otherwise I encounter people who would agree with Dave Chappelle when it comes to social issues. Which is still not Republican but also I wouldn't say lacking some conservative values. Prolly true for most people in my area not just black people, whereas white people are 50/50 dem or repub voters.
What? this objectively wrong and oversimplified a long history of why people vote
I went through the same thing as you and I felt so strange suddenly relating to conservative ideas more than liberal after relating to liberals for so long but it was happening in my first year of doing a psychotherapy degree and loving Carl Jung's work. I came to realise maybe my psyche was just looking for homeostasis and wholeness after being so one-sided for so long. Its good to always check in with our values and beliefs and be open to change since well we are constantly changing
Uh I don't want to burst your bubble if it gave you stability but Carl Jung and psychodynamic psychotherapy is the field of psychology that is the most criticized due to it being the least adherent to empiricism.
I don't think it's the leftness or rightness that attracts people - it's the thinking. Navigating a path through the gray is much harder and more rewarding than cheering from the sidelines.
I'd recommend reading socialist philosophers, political theorists, and psychoanalysts/psychologists. Specifically related to Foucault and Deleuze.
@@corneliaaurelli1603 This may be factually true, but that doesn't mean that the consensus on Jungian psychology is actually correct.
@@fluffymcdeath I agree. We need to stop viewing social issues through such a simplistic lens. There are no heroes or villains in the world. There are only individuals, and each and every one of them is unique and motivated by a complex range of beliefs, biases and ideas. The key to social progress is open, honest dialogue. Going on a moral crusades against some imagined "other" is never going to make the world a better place to live for any of us.
vulnerable and important, so many people are ashamed to admit past bad thoughts or wrongdoings, but being the person to come out and say those things gives other people that option too
This video has been sitting in my To-Watch list for well over a year. Happy that I got to it finally as I really enjoyed oliSUNvia's breakdown of the tricks that these influencers/speakers use in converting listeners. A little sharing of my own journey in critical thinking: After discovering TH-cam in high school, I became a staunch liberal and feminist. However, that changed when I got to university where I studied cultural and critical theory - specifically in the area of media. I'm still a feminist-at-heart but I would no longer blindly support something without looking at the context first. Although a practical-based education would have been more useful given the field I'm in, I never regretted my theory-based education as it thought me how to THINK. Now, I'm a big believer in the value of education and critical thinking. Over the past 2-3 years, my partner started consuming conservative content on social media such as Jordan Peterson and Andrew Tate. Initially, I had the same knee-jerk reaction of rejection to those influencers (kudos to my liberal days). At the same time, I recognised my own bias and tried listening to what my partner thought was good about the types of content. Today, I'm still not a fan of neither Peterson nor Tate nor any other similar content creators even though they may create good content occasionally. In part, what makes me the most uncomfortable about them from the get-go was the name-calling and generalisation tactics. As someone who also works in content creation, I am quite concerned by how people are consuming media without being properly educated in the agendas, process and machinations behind the production of content. Thankful that I came across this channel and will be watching more to see what I can share with others.
Yes, this video resonates with me so much, I thought I was alone! Ive gone back and forth many times on the political spectrum and, as a black woman, I feel this weird moral obligation to heavily lean left while agreeing with points from both sides. I realized that once you step away from social media, and just TALK to people normally, most humans have mutual views and can get along regardless of political opinions. I wish more people could understand the facade of extreme one-sidedness. All it does is divide. Youve earned a new subscriber 😊
Very well said
@@katy9291 yea well said
This is THE take
Sorry but Americans dont have political spectrum, just a black and withe mentality.
It depends. I used to be able to talk to a lot of my friends about issues prior to the election in 2016, but a lot of them started saying a lot of racist and homophobic things that I couldn't agree with for personal reasons. Our views didn't align at all anymore.
This is really interesting to me. I had a kind of similar phase where I went from extreme feminism (borderline misandry) where I completely neglected myself trying to avoid "beauty standards," towards femininity/trad-fem content, and now I fall somewhere in the middle. I always feel encouraged and hopeful when I see other people developing enough self-awareness to move away from any kind of extremism. Building an inner value system and an identity outside of influencers is very important.
The four existential threats to humanity (Automation, AI, nuclear war and climate Change) have only far left solutions
SAME! I had to go to that extreme to come back to the middle and decide how I wanted to present myself
"Extreme feminism", or borderline misandry as you put it, has nothing to do with feminism. Feminism is a movement for equality, not supremacy. The word being co-opted to signify the most distorted and contradictory version of the concept shouldn't even be considered as a subgroup or school of thought of feminism. That's what the Sharpiro's and Peterson types do
@@sofalso Same thing with "Toxic Masculinity" I had a recent discussion about masculinity and how I think that men (western) were never truly masculine to begin with so therefore saying Toxically masculinity shouldn't be used but rather just toxic men and that our idea of masculinity has been completely messed around with viewing it as behavior patterns, accessories etc. Rather than an inner body identity or essence. Today a man with a moustache, short hair cut that's emotionless is deemed as someone that's masculine. Which I find to be so fucking stupid. Random but I figured it would be interesting to say.
thank you for this comment. a lot of friends i had in the past had this phase, you can oppose beauty standards without neglecting yourself still. I hope many women realize this too. Being feminine is good, being masculine is good. I once read some "feminists" that declared that white teeth standard was a way to oppress women and that it was oppressing wanting female to brush their teeth every day? rejecting basic health measures is disgusting and NOT a flex or a feminist thing.
I think not a lot of people speak about having this phase. I did too, and ultimately I realised that there are truths on both sides because it reflects the experience and reality of people on those sides, but I also have to be accepting that I won't ever get to the ultimate truth. I have to be able to sit with both sides of arguments, and validate what both camps are feeling. But it also means that if my feelings are complex, i can also accept that and it's okay to live a specific way, thought or belief that is different to mainstream narrative. I don't have to justify it to anyone. This means that I give myself space to be continously learning, questioning, and never having to sit on one belief or way of being, sometimes it will allign with specific ideology and thats okay and sometimes it won't perfectly fit into one box. But the main thing is that I change as I grow and that is okay.
Hey OliSunVia!! New here & love your channel. Absolutely loved how you took us with you through this story. And how easy it is to fall into their trap. Ben Shapiro stans scare me, but now I understand why they may have turned to his media. Thank you for bringing this to light. I sincerely hope people aren’t hating on you too bad for this, because we all have negative things in life that we learn & grow from sometimes.
People always look at me like I’m crazy when I said I had one of those phases. That phase is why I am where I am politically and why I’m so progressive and accepting at this point.
Absolutely, it’s the same reason I even have this pfp. It’s so easy to get stuck in your own bubble and ignore the blatantly hateful homophobic people. I used to think there was an over representation of LGBTQ+ people when now I realize it was just any representation. The instant I switched to this pfp it opened my eyes to just how many people will go out of their way to attack you for supporting a community.
@@firytwig ong
@@firytwig Okay, so now here is the question: are you actually just an LBGTQ+ supporter, like a lot of people are, or are you also part of the dogmatic left that Olivia so eloquently characterised in the video? Do you believe that gender as a meaningful concept is distinct from any of: sexuality, sex, and the femininity-masculinity spectrum? If so, could you please explain what it entails? I'm very willing to listen, but as far as I currently understand, the three concepts that I describe, by their very definitions, comprehensively encompass all of human biology and psychology except arbitrary self-identification.
@@maxkho00 arbitrary self-identification falls under sociology, while not necessarily biological, it is a side effect of being a pack species. Gender identity can be seen as similar to wanting a different hair color. One may be biologically blonde, but can change their hair color to brown, and we know through the study of sociology that different hair colors may make others treat you differently. A similar thing happens with gender, you may be born female, but wish to be perceived and interacted with as male. The difference being: there are substantially more implications to being seen as a gender than with hair color.
@@mercury3352 Okay, sure, but then where is the logical consistency in referring to somebody by their self-identification rather than by what they are in reality? Using the example that you give for hair colour, obviously, when somebody wants a different hair colour, we don't refer to them as having the colour of hair that they want - we refer to them as having the colour of hair that they actually have. Even more relevantly, there are people out there that genuinely identify as different animals. Of course, they are totally free to identify that way, and I won't judge them for it, but we don't treat these people as the animals that they identify as, right? We treat them as humans. So why did we make an exception for gender and only gender? Why does one's self-identification have a name in case of sex, but not in case of species (which is rare but far from nonexistent) or other traits? And even if we did decide to make an exception for sex for some reason, why should self-identification - which doesn't represent any part of reality - take precedence over reality? I understand that some people may find it demoralising or upsetting if I don't engage in their (I genuinely don't mean this with disrespect) fantasy (although I wonder how much of this is a consequence of social conditioning - apart from those suffering from gender dysphoria, how common were transgender people 50 years ago?) and I actually find that to be a good argument for why, in social situations, we should make an effort to play along if it isn't difficult for us. But why should we keep playing along in formal situations, where reality has significant consequences?
I had a hardcore right wing phase, and I still tend to lean towards the right on certain policies, but it doesn't change the fact that I will always stand against authoritarian rule, whether it is with left or right wing policies, as I believe censorship and tyranny to be a crime against humanity.
You are right , Trudeau must go down.
This right here sums me up 🙌
Thats a great start, because in reality, the ones that are pulling the strings are the rich. They will use left or right (Bill Clinton, George Bush, both under the globalist authoritarian) to push the one world government.
Same. I don't really care about left right too much but I am almost radical libertarian at this point. The last two years really radicalized me.
I am not conservative, I just hate liars, so I align with conservatives/cuckservatives.
I really relate to this video as I spent so much time in my life trying to go to both sides just to feel like I’m not isolating the other. However whenever I ask questions similar to what your boyfriend did to one of those side’s, where it challenges the mindset, people get really offended on that. As you said, I try to be as true as I can be. I don’t like to identify with labels anymore either. This was a really refreshing video to see where there’s a constant need to politically label people.
Thank you for making this video, I had this phase as well, but it was only for like 2 months because, i recently wanted to start opening up to new views. Its just that whenever I would try to look at other views, they would be VERY demeaning and rude on both sides, and that's when I realized that, its just because the extremes speak the loudest. Conservatives lie about being open minded and up for conversation, and liberals end up screaming and yelling when things go wrong ***(Im talking about extremists by the way, not everyone!!!)*** and I recently learned that when I hear new views, I should try to just accept them and talk to people about it without backing them into a corner. Although I still don't understand a lot of the TQ+ community, I've learned to try and accept them and stop being dogmatic.
"I'm not left, I'm not right, I just sit wherever I feel like"... Geez i wish i could find friends like you Lol Just about every person I meet is so freaking tribal.. and it's honestly super lonely and isolating because I'm just not like that.
Same for me.. especially in university
Same
Same. I'm politically homeless and try to see everyone's side.
I don’t think people should be part of a party, we are our own unique individuals that hold different set of beliefs, sure there may be overlaps but being part of a party is almost like saying “my way of life is better than yours” none of us know what is best for others and we should have humility, I just wish people to live as they choose as I don’t know best nor does anyone in power and even if so, people deserve the right to live as they please. It’s why I dislike the Left and right, many of them try imposing their views on others
@Jonathan Dolan Can you just stop
This made me feel less alone. For quite some time I thought that the leftists are the good ones and conservatives are the bad ones but not anymore. Also, I've never been able to put myself into the box of 'left' or 'right' anyway because the things I believe in fall in both of those. It's good to know that I don't owe anyone to put a label on myself and I can just believe what I believe.
After reading conservative comments across TH-cam I wouldn't call conservatives bad guys but they are not nice people and some of them need to be humbled and brought down a few pegs.
@@MrDakadaka I understand where you're coming from.
@@MrDakadaka A lot of conservative are unpleasant people but there are some kind ones out there :)
@@cherryred11 just like everyone, really. some nice, some nasty, and just some meh. The nasty people just tend to get more attention unfortunately.
I 100% agree. that's pretty much my experience with this stuff.
Your honesty and humility paired with a love for wisdom makes your videos an absolute joy to watch and listen to.
I relate to your experience, as someone who was also raised by many conflicting political views as a child, I was taught to believe that one side was better and more "correct" than the other. It was a very suffocating experience having to try and grow from that, and I'm happy you did :) I'm still trying to find myself and my OWN perspective and be more open-minded to respect other perspectives. This was a very inspiring video, thank you for sharing this.
“I wanted to do this video unscripted.”
Proceeds to speak in an extremely eloquent and well-thought-out manner, regardless of the lack of a script. 👏
You make it sound like a bad thing that she’s not reading from a script. Unscripted doesn’t mean unthoughtful.
@@williamstevens5599lol, maybe you're just more likely see stuff in a negative light. At least for me, I didn't take their comment as a bad thing. Stay positive~
Yea it was supposed to just be pointing out that I couldn’t really tell that she wasn’t using a script aside from the fact that she said so
That’s what I thought whilst watching this. She has a special talent of articulating very well
I refuse to label myself politically. If somebody wants to know my opinions they can ask me directly on each issue and not assume my opinions because I'm a "Leftist" or "Conservative." I am a person, talk to me like one.
Me too- Honestly complete mood. I think that's why for a long while I just went with centerist if anything.
this 100% this , people disagree or agree before hearing the point bc they see an idealogical tag on what the opinion is lol
@@Tokii141 ^^
@@DilettanteThat You know being a centrist is a political stance right?
@@ME-gs6yn Yep, but NO one uses it and it was the closest to "treat me like me" I could get while stating a political stance. At least that's what I had thought about it at the time. Now I just don't label myself.
I love the hat! Really, that hat is great. I'd love to see it from a few more angles and hear the story behind it (like, was it homemade? Was it a gift?).
Really interesting to see you describe the whole journey you had through the political spectrum while developing critical thinking, I experienced the same think growing from my teenage years to adulthood, starting very conservative, then having a liberal fase and later becoming conservative once again.
i feel like having a conservative phase, especially as a teenage girl really helps you understand the appeal of all these reactionary ideas. a lot of the media they put out there speaks to the inherently young adult desire to feel like someone in the world understands you in a world where everyone seems to be against you. the younger you are, the more scary all these changes in society seem to you, and the right really knows how to communicate their ideology to fearful, nihilistic high schoolers.
What cracks me up is how she (& most SJWs) criticize Shapiro for being funded by entities like the huge oil & gas industries. If you start to study people on ewe toob & other tech platforms - they are being paid by the same sources, it’s just the fact they don’t research who actually owns the companies paying them. So many of these somewhat smaller companies are owned by the so called huge ‘bad’ companies.😜
im a teenage girl too and it’s so weird how pushed out we seem now in the new age of liberals. im british so a lot of things on the internet which r “cancellable” r completely normal here. for me it’s the greed for being the majority alot of ppl have for example the push for neo pronouns to be completely accepted within what 5-10 years? pushing things too fast won’t make anyone agree and speaking louder does not make u more heard
it's best to first have a liberal phase, then a conservative, and then neutral (what I had)
@@hiyylight i don't really think the order matters so much as you realize you were previously wrong in the end.
@@yoyomomma ..... you can literally be imprisoned for a racial joke in the UK.
i myself had a conservative phase during school years and i genuinely think it helped me experience both sides and realize how right-leaning politicians manipulate their speech, but also be more critical about liberal groups, constantly question my own leftist beliefs and study theory way deeper than those who’ve never been through that hypocritical phase
What are your political inclinations right now
Why do you say hypocritical?
At the moment, I still feel a sense of profound shock when I see how lawless, corrupt, dishonest, and unhinged the Democratic politicians, celebrities, and news personalities have become.
@@MrBrachiatingApe theres a lot of lawless and dishonest actions on the right too. you cant really trust politicians in general. thats the issue with the two party system, no one is actually the right one, we just have to jump from red to blue depending on what their policies are. like theres no greater good in american politics, only a greater evil (if you’re lucky)
Liberals aren't leftist.
@@_Wakaz_ - But if someone doesn't support liberals or left you're labeled a Trump Supporter .
I identified SO MUCH to you!! Thanks for sharing! I think that there are good and bad people on both sides, and when you think that you're part of a group that's the only rational thinking one, you end up compromising so much that you could learn from others... And you're right! the best way of staying open minded and balanced is hearing what both sides are saying....
I really appreciate you discussing this because it’s something that isn’t really touched upon - I’ve lately found myself feeling the same way you do in your conclusion. I like to feel how I feel without identifying on either side. Any extreme viewpoint is damaging and unhealthy and can take over your life. Situations are situational and living in your truth and living with kindness is so important
We should all stop letting youtube and twitter algorithms recommend political ideas to us... let's go back to browsing our bookstores and libraries for political ideas, please? We've all become so much dumber because algorithms promote clickbait and ragebait
Bookstores and libraries had their own "algorithm" of sorts. It was the humans in charge of the system. Political slanting isn't an invention of the internet.
@@MarSprite True but it's nothing compared to the internet. As far as what topics are covered, both the internet and libraries seemingly do a good job; there's centrists, leftists, right wing, anarchist etc perspectives. But when it comes to nuance, that's when the comparison falls apart. A book can't hide behind 140 characters. It has all the time in the world to make its case; you can't just write a derisive "other side bad" tweet and get published. There are plenty of trash books but at least you have 300 pages to realize the argument they're making is bunk. You also can't discard the fact that thinking so long on one topic, as opposed to clicking every 20 seconds for a new perspective, develops or more complex way of thinking. Less simplistic, more focused on details and consequences and the bigger picture. The internet, on the other hand, rewards clickbait and ragebait. It HAS to, because it has to get normies to click on it as much as possible, because without enough eyeballs they don't get ad revenue. Also, the barrier to entry to publish a book is much higher, and expertise actually means something, no matter what people try and tell you. I'm not saying that *only* experts should publish, since there is value in outside opinions. But when the entire conversation is guided by randos who base their opinions off the videos the algorithm happened to show them, you will have bad political consequences. I have no doubt that many of our current mainstream political beliefs were started by crackpots with tinfoils who gave themselves an air of credibility by being invisible.
@@MarSprite Oh, and another thing I forgot to mention: bookstores and libraries may have their own sort of "algorithm", but there were enough different publishers and bookstores that we had many many different perspectives to choose from. Now who controls what we can even see? Google (which includes youtube & instagram), Twitter, Facebook, Reddit.... and that's pretty much it.
@@yeahohright3097 If you read trash, you get trash from it. I haven't been to twitter in years, for a reason. If you wanted to read trash before, they been selling it in the grocery store before. Very accessible. I stopped using google when I realized they were selecting results with political bias. There are other "publishers and bookstores". For now, I'm trying duck duck go. Some stores just come out on top though, and they usually have the scummiest business practices of the lot. Evil pays.
@@MarSprite Yeah, but we're talking about the effect of these algorithms on the general population, not you and I in particular.
I also went through a Jordan Peterson phase. I was very liberal as a teenager and always talking about social justice, but I wasn't a critical thinker when I did it- I just was taught by my schools since I was young and by social media that conservatives are evil and old etc etc, and that they hate people and don't listen and are based on wanting to hurt others. Then I took literature and was confronted with some ugly texts and ugly truths that made me really uncomfortable but forced me to think. I came to realise the world isn't so black and white and that people believe what they believe- for the most part- because they believe this is what is best for the world. This is how they want to help others or think others can help themselves/each other.
I was on TH-cam and came across a 'curb your meme' compilation, and one of them was a snippet of Cathy and Peterson's interview, and even though it was a funny meme, it caught my attention. I started to follow and listen to this person because he would talk about things so many people wouldn't, and would have critical discussions. His calmness, logical reasoning and willingness to listen to others made me so as well. I didn't listen to Ben Shapiro much however because I felt he used a lot of flashy language and hyper-specific examples that were easily lost, and I didn't agree with everything Peterson said, but when you looked at his comments his audience would also respectfully disagree with him and engage in discussions in threads.
I went into science and engineering- as a woman- in university and was constantly undermimed by people who thought they were being supportive. "Wow you're a woman in STEM? That's so impressive." "You're really amazing for choosing engineering, empowering women!" And I know my chances of employability in the future will be a piece of cake because I'm a female in a male-dominated job. I felt undermimed because it's like, 'yeah, I'm doing engineering not because I'm a girl but because I'm a hard working person' and people who thought they were being supportive couldn't look past my gender at all the other things that made up who I was. I felt like I didn't even need to try in Uni because I would just be employed based on my gender, not my capabilities. And it's kind of true.
Anyway doing engineering and science ALSO made me question when people use statistics, because you can find evidence that supports anything and everything under the sun. Things that agree and disagree.
Eventually I came to the conclusion I will never know the truth or what is 'better'. I just learned that people think different things based on the logic they use. And personally, I feel that there are pros and cons to every side and that everything has its place and purpose in making the world better. I agree with lots of liberal ideas and also lots of conservative ideas because they have their places.
I read this thing and couldn’t stop thinking you are crazy. Like seriously seek help.
Ppl do seem to forget about nuance
Mate I second this. We need to start a cult/
Well put. Society would be a much better place with more like minded people as you
@@pedrosaraiva1013 thank you for your comment, it really touched me. I will say it took me a long time and a long journey of pursuing what the 'truth' was to me to eventually settle where I stand now
We need another video like this. I l;over watching this. It adds so much context to what many of us deep down are probably feeling.
I'm a conservative, but I've also outgrown Ben and Peterson in my own way.
Some of their views seem too simplistic or populist to me, and in some ways they seem misguided to me.
Great video!
Mostly because they're just used as puppets by political companies that fund them. Kinda ironic how their argument revolves around free speech when their own freedom of speech is just there for the face value
Exactly. I do not see myself "idolizing" or following any political figure, as it all seems populist.
Yeah they are the "own the libs" people or the equivalent of a lazy online troll
I haven’t finished the video yet, so I apologize if I’m wrong here, but when someone says “I’m a conservative” what does it mean? What beliefs does that attribute?
The definition of “conservative” is to preserve old traditions and cultures. As an LGBT person, heating “preserve old tradition” rings off alarm bells in my head of fear and danger.
I feel like there are associations with “conservative beliefs” like anti-immigration, pro-forcedbirth, anti-trans ect. Perhaps I’m buying into media stereotypes and the leftist narrative, but I just cannot fathom or comprehend a positive or benefit of being “conservative” or a philosophy of conservatism that isn’t of harm to society.
I don’t mean to come off antagonizing. I’m just a confused person wanting some awnsers and to understand this mindset.
@@Twink6629-lg3teAs a conservative I'm more supportive of tradition, such as family values, anti drugs, and not the biggest fan of growing sexual promiscuity. I'm also pro-abortion (to an extent), and I don't dislike gay people. Just remember that people don't need to follow an entire political ideology! We are also not as extreme as you may think. I just form my own opinions based on how much it makes sense as well as if it's moral to me. Also stuff like racism happens in any extreme radical group, on both the left and right.
Hope that clears up any confusion
What she said about her chinese immigrant parents influence was so relatable. My mom is a Chinese immigrant who is definitely more conservative. Due to what I was being taught in school and just the general push for leftism in my area I believed I was somehow more moral but now I realize that is not the case whatsoever and believing that u are “morally superior” can often lead to being an idealog
I appreciated this video. The older I get and the more I get involved in political issues, the more judgemental and close-minded I become. It's good to get a reminder that people are more than their opinions and it can be important to talk to people you disagree with (as long as they're respectful)
This right here 👏✨
I was also once a Ben Shapiro fan until I realized how extremely conservative his views were. I’m similar to you where I also lean towards different directions with certain policies or beliefs. I think what makes it a problem is that a group of people don’t really think of their own thoughts and just follows whatever group they favor, and one group refuses to have a conversation with the other since they feel they don’t have to. I appreciate the video!
I applaud your willingness to explore new ideas and your ability to see through the irrationality of these thinkers. You're right, they're not 'bad' people. It's great to see how damaging their shortcuts and irrationality can be. It's also great to see learn about the weaknesses of your own arguments. You've done a great job, and it feels like you understand the real damage is done by those who won't learn from new information or only seek to win or divide people by dehumanizing them. Good work! and godspeed!
in germany we say „if you wanna be against the 'enemy', you must know the enemy“ and i think theres lots of truth to that. Thank you for this video. I needed this video so much because i had literally the same experience with the left bubbles, the phase etc. My eyes started tearing up because its so hard to find a person to talk with freely.
That’s right - know your enemy. That’s what smart people learn view points and different ideologies. And do not just stop there for being the “moderate” or “centrist”, but truly dig deeper. Engage more in conversations. Go talk with people with different view points. Ask them questions with truly open mind. But most of all, use your own judgement based on reasons, not emotions. Be brave at asking all the most “political incorrect” questions. And you will see it through.
My first time understanding politics started with that. I asked “What is Political Correctness and where it came from?” And what I found opened doors for a truly new understanding. I suggest that you read George Orwell’s 1984. A speaker on youtube I recommend is James Lindsay, for more academic content. He digs deep into leftist ideology and can help you understanding it.
@@suchasnidvongs Dude, I feel like everyone who was into 1984 in highschool eventually wind up having similar political views. I was obsessed with it and have identical views to both you and Olivia.
That book slaps.
@Savanna from the art of war ?
True, but people that don't agree with your views are not your enemy.
@@Solaxer yea, the saying is definitely formed exaggeratedly.
It's so hard in this society to have open discussions like this because of mob mentality which makes people never talk about it and feel like they are the only ones they know with these thoughts
Especially when basically all social media sites become an echochamber (esp Twitter an Tumblr). Voicing a differing opinion from the status quo just ends up with you getting lots of hate because no one is willing to have an actual discussion about these things.
there's this idea that someone has to be perfect their whole entire life to be a likable person. if someone messes up ONCE a long time ago, they will receive immense backlash and will be discredited and often times canceled. it's almost as if the world forgot about the concept of growth and becoming a better person
We need to look at how we find truth in society and make sure we are being objective and actively fight against all forms of bias.
Yah, people can be so tribalistic. Tribalism is real deal.
It's because you convinced yourself that everyone is against you, you are going to be victimized. The truth is you are mentally enslaved to those around you, you are very agreeable, learn to not give a fuck.
So awesome thank you for this vid! I especially like when u addressed the appeal of personal responsibility & how you reflected on your behaviour after the fact- I relate a lot regarding veganism! Seriously so similar, especially since at that point when it first really took off (like 2016) environmentalism was centered on personal responsibility & it hadn't yet focused as much around the systems / corporations as the main problems/ culprits! I cringe at how misled I was in my overall approach but I'm grateful that I can now be more understanding & compassionate for people stuck in similar black & white headspaces. (Also js at no point where you rambling this was so clear and concise!)
Good job predicting and showcasing all the rings available in Remnant II. Everything else was nice, too. :D