I like the new formats and how The Smoking Tire is evolving. It seems like the double team car reviewing is becoming more preferred thanks to Throttle House, Everyday Driver, and that's exaxtly how Savagegeese adapted.
@C J B Porsches are generally reliable unlike Lotuses (Loads Of Trouble Usually Serious is what it stands for). Also good luck finding a Lotus mechanic - I have two, the local sketch Ferrari dealer who sells Lotus and an indy 12 hours away in another state. I was on the verge of getting an Evora until getting totally turned off by the terrible owner experience.
I always find the Boxster/Cayman to look odd in pictures/film, but when you see them in person they just feel exactly the right size with near perfect proportions. It's the goldilocks sports car.
I really liked to way the rear window of the original 987 Caymans sunk in a little. That was a great look they sadly got rid of for a more rounded back hatch. They probably gained a couple square inches of cargo space doing that. I do like the side scoops going into the doors more on the 981 and 982's. And how the rear wing continued into the tail lights on the 981, although when you got close it never seemed to line up.
Completely agree, I thought they just weren’t for me but when you actually see them on a road or parked up you realise just how sophisticated the design is.
I completely agree. I have a 981 and in pictures it looks okay but nothing special. But when people see it for the first time in real life, all of them go "wow, that's a really cool looking car!"
I have a C8 and I love it , but I'm obsessed with the GTS 4.0 . ( and the Spyder , GT4 ) If the Porsche market wasn't so insane right now , I might make the switch . Thanks Matt and Zack , TST is the BEST channel !
I have a Cayman, and almost bought a C8 when they first came out and GM couldnt fill orders and people started flipping them for dumb money. I still think i'd love a C8, but I definitely adore my Cayman and plan on owning more Porsches. I dont think theres a wrong answer between the two, but yeah you definitely have to keep the Cayman more pinned but it never gives up the chassis. Truly a magic car.
One thing I like is when analyzing the design of the car, you walk around and highlight good points and bad points. Probably a good shot to film talking through your conclusions should you be so inclined. This video style absolutely rules and it’s so impressive. I’m very happy with the vid.
Something about this one felt more polished. Felt like the dialogue was professionally written and reminded me of some other well-produced car review channels that probably have much bigger budgets. Good job guys!
Kind of feels like old Top Gear minus the back and forth conversation. You have Matt screaming "Porsche!!" Like Clarkson screaming "AMG!" And then someone else going " but wait this does the same thing...but cheaper" But yes. I love the upped quality of these films. Even if you know, going in how it's going to end.
@@fzr1000981 the 718 is being phased out of ICE and becoming an EV sports car. Porsche has said this for a while now and I believe in 2025 we will see the new EV successor to the current 718. Basically the last chance to get a new mid engined ICE Porsche. And after the 718 GTS 4.0, the next cheapest naturally aspirated Porsche is the GT3 which is crazy expensive
I'm glad you made a point to talk about MRC, as it really is a game changer. Having had it on my previous SS 1LE and an Audi TTRS, they are the only sports cars I have had that I felt didn't need to do any modifications or upgrades on. Porsche and BMW really need to get rid of their proprietary in house suspension (which are both really old tech. now and slow acting for MRC like so many MFG. have now. Also, glad you touched on the suspension geometry as well. You did leave out the biggest issue though on the Cayman, which is that it not only uses struts up front, but in the rear as well, and it is more noticeable in the rear when it comes to lateral stability. Even basic regular cars at least use a multi-link in the rear.
they seems like being paid by porsche, almost blatantly lying/leaving out of test a lot of important things. they seemed to miss rear suspension setup on both cars, as Corvette has double wishbones on the rear as well - which you cant get in any road-legal porsche.
@maximborodyuk3773 matt is a Porsche guy. While yes, he's had a corvette in the past and he will always use that statement like someone defending themselves with a " I have an (insert ethnic group here) friend" . He's none abashed about where his loyalties lie. I mean while he Said the 300ish horsepower GTS is "fast enough", he just got done dropping 40 or 50 grand to Deman Motors on top of the cost of his 992 to get the same kind of power level the vette delivers stock. 🙄 While I like Matt's commentary on moat things. Let's just admit he's a Porsche guy just like Clarkson is an AMG snob.
Well put together video. I have a Cayman GTS 4.0 manual and I love it. I see this one was filmed in the OC Santiago Canyon area where I frequently go after our Saturday morning Cars and Coffee.
you are too old for both guys. It looks ridiculous to seen grown a__ men in those cars. buy a macan or a 5 series if you dont want your wife and kids to be ashamed of you
I got a 718 Boxster GTS. When I went to buy a C8, the sales rep took all my info ran my credit and then explained that the $70k base Vette had a $30k dealer markup. So I passed on it and bought my 4th Porsche instead and I love it.
What u guys didn't mention as an option is a slightly used Cayman, loaded ( which seem to be always available) vs a new C8. I'd still pick the Cayman, simply because I prefer the manual. Even long geared.
I am german and had a C6 Z06 EU Model in black for 10years 2009 to 2019 and 160.000km in the middle of germany. The cost per kilometer / mile for the corvette was less 30% compared to a 997 GTS in parts and gasoline. No doubt I would choose the corvette in 2023. Before I forged to mention it: The Z06 was very fast and very much fun.
@@jonasbaine3538 When it comes to classic cars, I agree with you. The new models are good, but it's hard to decide against the competition from Europe or Asia
@@maximborodyuk3773 Yes, exactly Golfs, BMWs and Porsches have better value Preservation with certain models you still pay on top. The quality is also better. Did you see the end of the video?
I thought the same until I bought one and changed out the wing for a larger, higher wing. At first I thought the problem in the rear design was the taillights but then recognized the strangeness of the standard wing. The higher wing install created a lot of composure to the rear design that had otherwise seemed forced and not as engaging as the rest of the car. The new wing is not only higher but it also hangs over the tail of the car which dramatically changes the look of the car. As a Ferrari enthusiast the C8 bothers me a bit, because I see some stolen design elements from the 458, 488 within the C8 body, but if you really look at it you can also see some of the iconic elements of the C2 and C3 that really do keep the C8 looking like a Corvette. All in all, it's definitely a mashup, and that's probably why it's not considered to be, "beautiful"... But overall it checks off all the boxes and I love it. My wife told me I could have a Ferrari and continue to work or I could have a C8 and retire... No brainer.
I've never driven a Vette of any vintage, but I have driven my uncles Cayman GTS 4.0..and I've got to say this: if the Stingray even comes close to the same experience on a twisty road..it's a very very good car.
I laughed pretty hard at "abstinence wall" I love the idea of a corvette and the value they offer, if I had the money I'd go cayman for the size, weight, and styling
This was a fantastic video! I’m about to sell my 987.2 Cayman, and I don’t think anything will fill the hole it leaves until I get another newer Cayman. Nothing feels like a Porsche.
@@maximborodyuk3773 Gallardo LP550-2 was fun but it feels heavy, it’s not as tossable. I enjoyed the new NSX though it felt more like a computer, very fun though. Aston’s V12 Vantage was a riot but it’s clearly more of a grand tourer. The AMG GTS would definitely be a future contender, nothing bad to say there. 488 Pista was genuinely insane but I’d prefer the 430, the 430 is the analog experience I absolutely love. I’d take a 430 over a similar age Porsche for sure, but $$$. Is that enough experience or shall I keep going? I have driven and experienced many incredible vehicles, and my personal view is that none match the driving feel of the 987/997 generation Porsche. Especially in the price range of the 987/997 Porsche family.
@@hockey4life4560 umm. You mentioned cars that are even on paper are meh. Unfortunately, I didn't drive most of them, but: 1) Gallardo's dont exactly have driver's car reputation. 2) new NSX is awful, and it's nowhere near a serious sportscar. It's slow except the straight. 3) aston is GT, not a sportscar again. 4) amg gts is GT spec also, but it's far better than previous ones. GTR should be sweet spot. Didn't drive that one yet. 5) Ferrari are good (except shitty interior), and you agreed that you chose them over Porsche. Why are you bringing the money? Isn't that all whine about german cars being tremendously overpriced isn't just a whine, but reality? If we're talking about below 100k price range, there is C7 GS/ C7 Z06. Better in every possible way and actually have a soul and engine (angry porsche vacuum cleaner 300hp noises). Oh, and it's actually could do track bone stock. C8 is less raw, but it's not bad at all, still a lot of feedback. In the upper price levels there are Mclaren's also. Didn't drive them, but should be good by any means. I have driven a lot of vehicles as well. No old porsche, though
Fun review and as an owner of a 2020 c8 z51 with mrc shocks this things a beast. I always order 1LT or 1LZ interiors because the interior luxury appointments mean very little to me as I daily drive these cars. The performance advantage of the c8 is dramatic over the Porsche and even Matt who picked up a boxster spider last year dropped big bucks to tear into a brand new engine in his boxster to up the performance. Always makes me wonder. Why we continually hear performance is of little value when he dropped big bucks to hop up the motor in his brand new Porsche. Kind of a contradiction yet either way the review was fun. Both great iconic sports car brands. When my z06 eventually comes in I’m sure I’ll enjoy that daily driver even more. These rear engine sports cars are in fact great in the snow here in the NY tristate area. Remember the Larger rear trunk of the c8 holds the targa roof that comes standard in the corvette. I love top off driving so it’s a big win for me although I think for the z06 I’ll do the htc to drop the rear window during the cooler months to enjoy the engine sound as it goes through its power band. Great review by both Zack and Matt. Always fun. I look forward to your Eray review as well. 655 hp 595 tq awd while I want to know want it sounds like inside the closed cabin. In case your wondering what enthusiasts want to know. 911 hybrid versus Eray should make for another interesting comparison
Lol exactly like stop lying to everyone. The c8's the best sports car for the money period. I just can't pay 6 figures for the low hp/tq of the Porsche.
as an owner of a 2022 C8 Convertible Z51 LT2 package with MRC, I love this corvette. Mid engine, hard top convertible, super car performance and under $100,000!!( I did not want to pay more than $100K for a toy car.) I do miss high Rev sound of my CBR 600RR.
The Cayman is the true sports car. Excellent steering, light weight, manual transmission option, flat NA engine with super low COG and immediate response. It's the perfect combination of things for a tossable fun car. One of those cars you hop in and everything feels right from the seating position down to the placement of the window switches. The choice is easy if you're a purist
what year makes it the "true sports car".. Give me a break. original caymans? current caymans? Vettes have always been true sports cars. Purist? Sounds like a typical porsche fan language. Get some balance.
For me the Corvette has some Ferrari vibes. I love that Chevy dealers anywhere can service it. Love Porsche and had several but like the idea of contributing to the quantum leap forward that Chevy has made with the C8. Advantage Corvette. My only criticism is the Corvette styling which to me is a bit shouty and overdone. But it is growing on me.
I have the Boxster GTS 4.0 with manual coming in a month and I've always preferred the styling, feel and pedigree of Porsche. The Lotus(s) and Corvettes definitely have nice stats as well but I've never really got into the recent designs of the vette. Any of these are great driving choices though, just all depends on what gets your blood going and what is available to you. Thanks as always for the entertaining and informative videos.
You'll be thrilled - every PCA member I have ran into: "Once you go Porsche, you never go back..." - basically you become a lifetime owner. "Better" does not always mean on paper numbers - which - is what too many obsess about.
Congratulations Gerry - I’ve had my Boxster GTS for 6 months now and it blows me away every time I drive it, and I’ve had some seriously good cars in my back catalogue! Not sure how long you’ve waited (mine took 18 months) but it’ll have been worth it…
After owning my Cayman 4.0 for 10 months now I know I made the right choice and it is the most perfectly balanced sports car. Mine took 11 months from deposit to delivery.
Pedigree is a problematic word considering Prof. Porsche’s early client, and the fact that Corvette Racing has been dominant in GT3 racing many times, but congratulations dude, awesome car.
Yeah, the Vette is just a bit much. Looks like its wants to be a baby hypercar. For that reason i couldn't daily it. But its undoubtedly a beastly car. Im more than pleased with my Cayman. Fits my needs perfectly. Oh, and it has a manual :p
Today on SmokingTIre Matt and Zack peer directly into my brain with today's comparison. STOKED for this one. 10 years ago if you seriously told me a Corvette could run with a Porsche I wouldve pointed at the Cobalt steering wheel and laughed at you....now? Woooo baby.
Cracked windshield on the Vette, ouch. Would you say that the Cayman's steering is as good as the Evora/Emira? "I don't value race track speed" says the guy who spent how much in engine upgrades to that Boxster :)
Lotus Emira. Better driver's car than either. Very few people are buying these as their only car. And the Emira is better looking than the Cayman, which is a little dull.
The Corvette has made huge leaps in performance and the quality of engineering. And Porsche is...well...Porsche. But that big American V8 makes all the difference in the experience. Touché, Chevy. You're doing a great job of capturing what you learn from the racing you're doing (as it should be).
Don’t let them fool you, that cayman gts 4.0 runs 0-60 in 3.4 and 11.7 at 120mph quartermile stock in pdk form. Compared to the c8’s 11.2 at 122 mph. I’d say they would be dead even from a roll race, or on a road course.
It’s not even a comparison the C8 Corvette has much better performance for less money. And there’s no thing as fast enough. Corvette rules. It’s obvious both of these guys are Porsche fan boys.
Well, if it's just a true sports car experience you want, and like me could never afford either of these two cars, save a ton of money and get a Miata! Even an older one. I LOVE both of these cars in the video, but they're not even close to my budget. Especially when you consider maintaining them once you get them. Even the tires are crazy expensive. Great video guys! Love seeing these cars out on the road.
Thanks for a very good review on these two cars. I have one "heretical" comment to make about this comparison. In the US, whether you like it or not, at some point you are going to have to make drives of some length on interstate highways. This means that cabin noise IS a factor in a quality of life comparison for a sports car. I know from experience that Porsche products permit a ton of road noise into the cabin and long distance drives at highway speeds are less enjoyable as a result. I don't know whether the Corvette has a similar "feature" or not and I would have liked to hear about that.
Matt Farragut bought the wrong car. The Corvette is better in every single way and it’s cheaper. That Corvette spits in the face of German sports cars and I love it.
double wishbone allows for more compliance while properly controlling the camber during body roll from cornering. remember: the point of suspension is to keep wheels on the ground over bumps, so compliance (softer) is better. McPherson has limited travel before camber (and grip) goes wonky, so you HAVE to stiffen it to allow for high cornering forces, but this only works on smooth surfaces; bumps now upset the stiff suspension.
These are my two favorite cars. I just received my C8 about two months ago and absolutely love it. I just can't imagine the Cayman being better for what you get from the C8 as far as price, but maybe performance.
This is a great video and great comparison, I love both cars, but I will go for the Porsche simply because it has a stick, And I feel the fit and finish on the Porsche is next level.
Should have been a comparison against a base model Cayman. The GTS starting price is over $25k higher then the Vette's. AND with the PDK, or any real options added, the GTS it's over $100k too. Also Matt, come on, complaining the lower tier model Vette's interior feels cheap compared to the GTS, WHAT?? Get the highest interior trim package and compare it to that. Fully trimmed it's still way less money then the GTS. As is, this was just kind pointless comparison, the Z51 outclasses the GTS in so many ways but lost just because it's not a Porsche? You literally gave the GTS 2 points out of your 5 point subjective scoring system just "bEcaUse PoRscHe". No point for price to performance either, convenient. The Z06 at $106k vs the GTS (w/PDK) at $100k would be a better $100,000 car comparison. And that would be a one sided battle.
Big difference! My friend has a Porsche..he hardly drives it because he doesnt want to pay for the tune ups and service which are about 1500 to 2000$ a pop.. i would imagine the Corvette would be brake pads and a oil change.. i would take the Vette everytime!!
@@cnewell1971 Corvettes are cheap until they aren't. There's a ton of custom Vette-specific parts that aren't cheap. Your friend needs to move on from that Porsche. If $2,000 services are too much then they simply can't afford the car.
@@I999-g2s The think that makes Corvette special is how broad the power band is. From 1200 rpm all the way to 7500 rpm. You always have power in all gear, whenever you need it. the Flat6 requires to be more in 3K RPM to really get the best out of the engine. I've done autocross with both cars and although they both perform great, the corvette was always the faster cars even when you think the Porsche would excel. I had more luxury in my Vette compare to the GTS and for a daily driving, I just a more pleasant experience. The porsche really needs to be driven hard to really start to shine. it's a the edge that it's brilliant. Either way, my time with the Vette was great so was the time with the Cayman GTS. I didn't regret my time in both but given the choice of 1 or the other, I will go back to the Vette.
@@fogboundturtle thanks for the colour, much appreciated. My 911 is much the same as you describe, power band is beyond 4k rpm and it’s lost fun at 7/10th’s and beyond. I’m very very tempted to get a C8…
i have a base 718 cayman and it’s my daily. definitely so comfortable and feels so much bigger inside for as small and sporty as it is. looks amazing too….as for the vette i originally liked it when it was announced, but now i feel like the front end has knock off super car vibes and seems kind of basic imo
I think the Corvette gets you more budget Ferrari vibes while the Cayman is…a Porsche. I think the Emira transcends these two with more exotic styling and, controversially, perhaps a better noise stock for stock. Least useable day to day perhaps but seems to be the most interesting to me. The Cayman is the choice though. If only the base C8 was spicier!
If the Corvette looked like the Emira, it would win hands down with these two. The Porsche has no wow factor and for my first mid-engine car, it had to have that. Porsche's are for people who have already had their fill of "look at me" sports cars and want something a bit more "mature". These two have been privileged enough to have that experience. The vast majority of people who haven't bought sports cars in the normal course of their lives point, smile and/or ask me to rev my Corvette, even when a Porsche is hanging around nearby.
Nice video, guys - some CC for you: Zack's audio came in a lot louder than Matt's at times (5:20), so some leveling might be good in post. Keep the good stuff coming! Also, jacket > sweater. LOL
I don't get the hate for the corvette aesthetics, rear or otherwise. I think it looks absolutely great yet every car reviewer mentions how ugly it is or how the rear is ruined or whatever. Whole thing looks great to me. I'm really torn between these 2 cars, I want to get one to replace my older Cayman, but not sure which. Leaning towards a 2LT Z51 with mag & front lift, but I haven't said "no" to the GTS yet. I feel like you have to put significantly more in options into the Porsche just to get comparable features. But even my older Cayman has the better steering than the C8, and the C8 steering is pretty good. Porsche makes amazing steering systems. The road feel overall is fantastic. The mag ride & front lift though on the vette is just a game changer. I can enter my driveway at straight-up 90* with the front-lift with the vette. Can't do that in the Cayman. I disagree with Matt on the finances side. MAYBE the used value will stay up purely because it's the 4.0 and they're knifing the 6 cyl (especially; if it has the manual), but otherwise Porsche values plummet used, and short term you'll likely lose more with the Porsche, but I reckon it'll hold the value long term because of the manual + 6cyl in a world where they're both dying. But they're going to knife the vette soon, it's going to be all electric, and when that happens I reckon the C8 values will hold, so IDK.
@@MrSlowestD16 I don't even fully disagree with you, but the the rear of a gallardo suits it's body shape more than the corvette does though. When you put it that way though, don't think the big rectangular rear is necessarily the problem, just that it kind of stick out on the body shape of the c8, it's just integrated as well
@@tbunreall Yeah I think it's noticeable from the front side b/c the rear window / c-pillar tapers inwards, into what is basically a rectangle. It seems to be 2 distinct lines. But look at a pic of a McLaren MP4-12C - that has virtually identical lines in the rear, I think you could even make the claim that Chevy ripped off that design, and nobody ever said that car was ugly. I can see how it's 2 different shapes, but it doesn't appear ugly to me. I feel like it gets a double standard b/c it's a Chevy. Not to mention the rectangular lines allow a lot of trunk space (and a big engine), good stuff. Targa storage on-board = tits, and anything that you could put proper bags in for overnight trips and such? Fantastic. That's what I love so much about my current Cayman, I can stock up the trunk the frunk on a Costco run and it holds a good bit. I think it'd look tighter in the rear and maybe wouldn't get so much criticism if it didn't have a trunk, if it was frunk-only, the rear just ended after the engine. But that kinda goes against the Corvette design philosophy.
base zo6 is 109k before taxes and markups, cayman gts 4.0 hits 106k with a pdk and seats added before tax/markups. thats a much more interesting comparison in the realm of hypotheticals
Yeah their not comparing the right cars here. The base corvette is significantly cheaper than the cayman. The z06 is the right car to compare price wise, and the z06 would absolutely slaughter the cayman in every way. Wouldn’t even be remotely close. But that’s how a corvette works. It wouldn’t be a corvette if it didn’t slaughter every car in its price range (and higher) That’s it’s purpose, and it does it well. Also it seems Matt is very biased towards Porsche (for very good reasons)
Despite having two Porsches in my garage I find this merely a so-so comparison. Price wise, a proper comparison would have been at least a 3LT Corvette vs the Cayman GTS 4.0. I am currently shopping for a low mileage GTS 4.0, but I have noticed how feature rich a 3LT Corvette is.
What a great way to close this video out. Zak is priceless. I want the Cayman GTS4.0 with a stick shift. If I won the lottery, I would take it to the guy that did the 4.5 conversion with the short gears. I think its a bad investment as you'll never get that money back in resale.
I dunno - I don't think you get every dollar back, but I think you get 50 or 75 cents to the dollar back on a Deman setup. It's a highly desirable configuration (unlike most mods).
It really does come down to what you're looking for, to me and my uses the corvette is the better option. Its not as classic looking but it just looks more exciting than the porsche to me. I do prioritize performance as well because i regularly drive track events and the corvette is better suited to that. Both cars are great it just depends what you're looking for.
So glad you guys officially called out the golf club requirement for ruining what could've been a beautifully balanced car. GM benchmarked the 458 Italia when designing the C7, but I don't seem to recall a rear boot in that perfect nexus of Italian loveliness.
For now......what's gonna happen in 2025 when someone has to review the 2025 electric 718. They'll be start off with the E word and ending with the F word.
MMICE. THE word I use for Teslas, is how I describe the 2025 electric 718 too. My new acronym for when the electric car takes my 718 away. Miss My Internal Combustion Engine.
I always get a good laugh out of watching presenters try to think up arguments against Porsche in comparison tests. You can feel that their heart isn't in the argument and that says it all. No knock to the Corvette though, can't wait to try out a C8. Looks like tons of fun. Great video, guys!
The fact that we have to have a brief mention about quality physical buttons and controls speaks volumes to the stupidity of excessive modernization (aka screen takeover). Thanks Matt and Zack for great content as always!
![BOWKYLION - วิงวอน (ex-change) [Official MV]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/cLdnZWDaO-w/mqdefault.jpg)
“The abstinence wall.” Had to rewind to make sure I heard that right, I love it.
Haha read your comment as he said it. Say huh? 😂
I was howling after hearing that! What a line!
Got me dead 💀 😂
I'm not even american so it took me a second to get it but even I found it funny. great line
That shit is a dealbreaker and half.
I like the new formats and how The Smoking Tire is evolving. It seems like the double team car reviewing is becoming more preferred thanks to Throttle House, Everyday Driver, and that's exaxtly how Savagegeese adapted.
It's a shame this couldn't be a triple header test with the Emira but I appreciate you linking the review in the description 👍
Emira is really only a consideration if you want something different. Cayman is better.
@@Ficon is it? Emira is a better driver's car
@@TheHesK9 Toyota V-6 vs. Porsche Flat-6. Lotus build quality vs. Porsche build quality.
We need a Z06 road review!!!
@C J B Porsches are generally reliable unlike Lotuses (Loads Of Trouble Usually Serious is what it stands for). Also good luck finding a Lotus mechanic - I have two, the local sketch Ferrari dealer who sells Lotus and an indy 12 hours away in another state. I was on the verge of getting an Evora until getting totally turned off by the terrible owner experience.
I always find the Boxster/Cayman to look odd in pictures/film, but when you see them in person they just feel exactly the right size with near perfect proportions. It's the goldilocks sports car.
Couldn’t agree more - quite exotic looking in real life. A bit like the original RS500 ;-)
I wondered about that. They look pretty vanilla in photos.
I really liked to way the rear window of the original 987 Caymans sunk in a little. That was a great look they sadly got rid of for a more rounded back hatch. They probably gained a couple square inches of cargo space doing that. I do like the side scoops going into the doors more on the 981 and 982's. And how the rear wing continued into the tail lights on the 981, although when you got close it never seemed to line up.
Completely agree, I thought they just weren’t for me but when you actually see them on a road or parked up you realise just how sophisticated the design is.
I completely agree. I have a 981 and in pictures it looks okay but nothing special. But when people see it for the first time in real life, all of them go "wow, that's a really cool looking car!"
Great work fellas. I’m noticing the extra effort. Loving the new format! Can’t wait for the Z06 vs GT3 comparison
Savagegeese just did that comparison
GT3 for me!
That C8 Z06 exhaust note is Devine.
The flat plane horror story has me loving the Porsche.
I have a C8 and I love it , but I'm obsessed with the GTS 4.0 . ( and the Spyder , GT4 ) If the Porsche market wasn't so insane right now , I might make the switch . Thanks Matt and Zack , TST is the BEST channel !
Should check the prices again, 2nd hand car prices have crashed
@jeff5798 correct, just picked up GTS 4.0 for under 100k.
I have a Cayman, and almost bought a C8 when they first came out and GM couldnt fill orders and people started flipping them for dumb money. I still think i'd love a C8, but I definitely adore my Cayman and plan on owning more Porsches. I dont think theres a wrong answer between the two, but yeah you definitely have to keep the Cayman more pinned but it never gives up the chassis. Truly a magic car.
One thing I like is when analyzing the design of the car, you walk around and highlight good points and bad points. Probably a good shot to film talking through your conclusions should you be so inclined. This video style absolutely rules and it’s so impressive. I’m very happy with the vid.
Something about this one felt more polished. Felt like the dialogue was professionally written and reminded me of some other well-produced car review channels that probably have much bigger budgets. Good job guys!
Kind of feels like old Top Gear minus the back and forth conversation. You have Matt screaming "Porsche!!" Like Clarkson screaming "AMG!" And then someone else going " but wait this does the same thing...but cheaper"
But yes. I love the upped quality of these films. Even if you know, going in how it's going to end.
Matt-Cayman doesn't have torque, but it doesn't matter
Matt-me and Tom stroked our cars-love the torque!
Honestly the Cayman's problem isn't really a lack of torque but the super tall gearing.... which is also fixed on Matt's car IIRC.
The Cayman GTS will absolutely hold its value better, markups are still crazy
Ah yes, I also want a squashed Beetle that everyone has seen before. Have you touched your wife yet? Or are you waiting for her value to hold 😂😂😂
100 percent
It’ll also be out of production in less than a year or two which will definitely help maintain long term values
@@GoldPlatedCheese is Porsche phasing out ICE cars completely? News to me
@@fzr1000981 the 718 is being phased out of ICE and becoming an EV sports car. Porsche has said this for a while now and I believe in 2025 we will see the new EV successor to the current 718. Basically the last chance to get a new mid engined ICE Porsche. And after the 718 GTS 4.0, the next cheapest naturally aspirated Porsche is the GT3 which is crazy expensive
This is like Savagegeese’s latest vid, but the price bracket below Z06/gt3. Awesome video
That was an epic production by the geese.
Outstanding review. I struggled with these two and purchased a new 718 S last week @ $90k. Love it!
I'm glad you made a point to talk about MRC, as it really is a game changer. Having had it on my previous SS 1LE and an Audi TTRS, they are the only sports cars I have had that I felt didn't need to do any modifications or upgrades on.
Porsche and BMW really need to get rid of their proprietary in house suspension (which are both really old tech. now and slow acting for MRC like so many MFG. have now.
Also, glad you touched on the suspension geometry as well. You did leave out the biggest issue though on the Cayman, which is that it not only uses struts up front, but in the rear as well, and it is more noticeable in the rear when it comes to lateral stability. Even basic regular cars at least use a multi-link in the rear.
they seems like being paid by porsche, almost blatantly lying/leaving out of test a lot of important things.
they seemed to miss rear suspension setup on both cars, as Corvette has double wishbones on the rear as well - which you cant get in any road-legal porsche.
@maximborodyuk3773 matt is a Porsche guy. While yes, he's had a corvette in the past and he will always use that statement like someone defending themselves with a " I have an (insert ethnic group here) friend" . He's none abashed about where his loyalties lie.
I mean while he Said the 300ish horsepower GTS is "fast enough", he just got done dropping 40 or 50 grand to Deman Motors on top of the cost of his 992 to get the same kind of power level the vette delivers stock. 🙄
While I like Matt's commentary on moat things. Let's just admit he's a Porsche guy just like Clarkson is an AMG snob.
@@amagine1 it's called pure hipocrisy. Words doesnt match actions.
They are too stubborn/proud to adopt magnetic shocks because GM developed/invented the technology, but it is undeniably better.
@@amagine1 yeah watch this and watch the video Matt did with Tom Segura driving his Porsche. Puts this all in perspective lol.
Need to change the name of this channel from "The Smoking Tire" to "Bullshit-O-Thon"
Well put together video. I have a Cayman GTS 4.0 manual and I love it. I see this one was filmed in the OC Santiago Canyon area where I frequently go after our Saturday morning Cars and Coffee.
Love these videos I hope it makes sense for you guys to keep making them
Yeah, I love it when they don’t say a damn thing about their stupid California politics
I went though this dilemma 2 months ago. Against all my Porsche loving friends, I went with a Corvette Z51 Convertible.
Fixes any driver visibility short comings .
you are too old for both guys. It looks ridiculous to seen grown a__ men in those cars. buy a macan or a 5 series if you dont want your wife and kids to be ashamed of you
I got a 718 Boxster GTS. When I went to buy a C8, the sales rep took all my info ran my credit and then explained that the $70k base Vette had a $30k dealer markup. So I passed on it and bought my 4th Porsche instead and I love it.
@@G-ym9vs Did you pay dealer markup on the Boxster GTS?
@Steve Cornelius no, bought it used, a 2018,718 GTS 2.5 turbo. I may trade later for the 4.0, but for right now I love the 2.5.
What u guys didn't mention as an option is a slightly used Cayman, loaded ( which seem to be always available) vs a new C8. I'd still pick the Cayman, simply because I prefer the manual. Even long geared.
Yeah, for $70k, I'm laughing all the way home in my 981 GTS
I am german and had a C6 Z06 EU Model in black for 10years 2009 to 2019 and 160.000km in the middle of germany. The cost per kilometer / mile for the corvette was less 30% compared to a 997 GTS in parts and gasoline. No doubt I would choose the corvette in 2023. Before I forged to mention it: The Z06 was very fast and very much fun.
What about the depreciation? I Hope you had a lot of fun with your car
Any American v8 sports or muscle car is a rare novelty and worth owning in Europe!
@@jonasbaine3538 When it comes to classic cars, I agree with you. The new models are good, but it's hard to decide against the competition from Europe or Asia
@@marcadewerisches9985 what exactly competition from Europe and especially Asia Corvette has?
Or you're calling a competition cars twice the price?
@@maximborodyuk3773 Yes, exactly Golfs, BMWs and Porsches have better value Preservation with certain models you still pay on top. The quality is also better. Did you see the end of the video?
A friend told me the C8 front and rear look like they are from two different cars, and now I can't unsee it.
I thought the same until I bought one and changed out the wing for a larger, higher wing. At first I thought the problem in the rear design was the taillights but then recognized the strangeness of the standard wing. The higher wing install created a lot of composure to the rear design that had otherwise seemed forced and not as engaging as the rest of the car. The new wing is not only higher but it also hangs over the tail of the car which dramatically changes the look of the car. As a Ferrari enthusiast the C8 bothers me a bit, because I see some stolen design elements from the 458, 488 within the C8 body, but if you really look at it you can also see some of the iconic elements of the C2 and C3 that really do keep the C8 looking like a Corvette. All in all, it's definitely a mashup, and that's probably why it's not considered to be, "beautiful"... But overall it checks off all the boxes and I love it. My wife told me I could have a Ferrari and continue to work or I could have a C8 and retire... No brainer.
I love this head to head with Zack!! Im so glad he is allowed to poke fun.
I've never driven a Vette of any vintage, but I have driven my uncles Cayman GTS 4.0..and I've got to say this: if the Stingray even comes close to the same experience on a twisty road..it's a very very good car.
The C8 stingray Z51 is an absolutely amazing car. I own one, and still can't believe they sell it at that price.
I know Matt and team have covered this before on different podcasts, but bravo for summarizing on todays upload!
Isn’t “the team”, Farah aside, comprised entirely of Mr. Zack Klapman?
I laughed pretty hard at "abstinence wall"
I love the idea of a corvette and the value they offer, if I had the money I'd go cayman for the size, weight, and styling
This was a fantastic video! I’m about to sell my 987.2 Cayman, and I don’t think anything will fill the hole it leaves until I get another newer Cayman. Nothing feels like a Porsche.
Your wife’s boyfriend could fill the hole
try driving serious sportcars
@@maximborodyuk3773 Gallardo LP550-2 was fun but it feels heavy, it’s not as tossable. I enjoyed the new NSX though it felt more like a computer, very fun though. Aston’s V12 Vantage was a riot but it’s clearly more of a grand tourer. The AMG GTS would definitely be a future contender, nothing bad to say there. 488 Pista was genuinely insane but I’d prefer the 430, the 430 is the analog experience I absolutely love. I’d take a 430 over a similar age Porsche for sure, but $$$.
Is that enough experience or shall I keep going?
I have driven and experienced many incredible vehicles, and my personal view is that none match the driving feel of the 987/997 generation Porsche. Especially in the price range of the 987/997 Porsche family.
@@hockey4life4560 umm. You mentioned cars that are even on paper are meh. Unfortunately, I didn't drive most of them, but:
1) Gallardo's dont exactly have driver's car reputation.
2) new NSX is awful, and it's nowhere near a serious sportscar. It's slow except the straight.
3) aston is GT, not a sportscar again.
4) amg gts is GT spec also, but it's far better than previous ones. GTR should be sweet spot. Didn't drive that one yet.
5) Ferrari are good (except shitty interior), and you agreed that you chose them over Porsche.
Why are you bringing the money? Isn't that all whine about german cars being tremendously overpriced isn't just a whine, but reality?
If we're talking about below 100k price range, there is C7 GS/ C7 Z06. Better in every possible way and actually have a soul and engine (angry porsche vacuum cleaner 300hp noises). Oh, and it's actually could do track bone stock.
C8 is less raw, but it's not bad at all, still a lot of feedback.
In the upper price levels there are Mclaren's also. Didn't drive them, but should be good by any means.
I have driven a lot of vehicles as well. No old porsche, though
@@maximborodyuk3773 No such thing as an automatic sports car. Stop listing all the cars that do the driving for you, soccer mom.
For a sports car that I could use all the time and keep for a long time, I would get the Porsche Boxster GTS 4.0 with a manual all day
Fun review and as an owner of a 2020 c8 z51 with mrc shocks this things a beast. I always order 1LT or 1LZ interiors because the interior luxury appointments mean very little to me as I daily drive these cars.
The performance advantage of the c8 is dramatic over the Porsche and even Matt who picked up a boxster spider last year dropped big bucks to tear into a brand new engine in his boxster to up the performance. Always makes me wonder. Why we continually hear performance is of little value when he dropped big bucks to hop up the motor in his brand new Porsche.
Kind of a contradiction yet either way the review was fun. Both great iconic sports car brands.
When my z06 eventually comes in I’m sure I’ll enjoy that daily driver even more. These rear engine sports cars are in fact great in the snow here in the NY tristate area.
Remember the
Larger rear trunk of the c8 holds the targa roof that comes standard in the corvette. I love top off driving so it’s a big win for me although I think for the z06 I’ll do the htc to drop the rear window during the cooler months to enjoy the engine sound as it goes through its power band.
Great review by both Zack and Matt. Always fun.
I look forward to your Eray review as well. 655 hp 595 tq awd while I want to know want it sounds like inside the closed cabin. In case your wondering what enthusiasts want to know.
911 hybrid versus Eray should make for another interesting comparison
Both are great cars only the Cayman is a ripoff compared to the C8
Lol exactly like stop lying to everyone. The c8's the best sports car for the money period. I just can't pay 6 figures for the low hp/tq of the Porsche.
as an owner of a 2022 C8 Convertible Z51 LT2 package with MRC, I love this corvette. Mid engine, hard top convertible, super car performance and under $100,000!!( I did not want to pay more than $100K for a toy car.) I do miss high Rev sound of my CBR 600RR.
Format is great! Love the table discussion as much as the driving. Nice work guys
The Cayman is the true sports car. Excellent steering, light weight, manual transmission option, flat NA engine with super low COG and immediate response. It's the perfect combination of things for a tossable fun car. One of those cars you hop in and everything feels right from the seating position down to the placement of the window switches. The choice is easy if you're a purist
The choice is easy if you want a slow overpriced Nazi car. If you're an American that loves freedom and beer the choice is easy.
what year makes it the "true sports car".. Give me a break. original caymans? current caymans? Vettes have always been true sports cars. Purist? Sounds like a typical porsche fan language. Get some balance.
@@redtesta By balance, do you mean "New Balance"? The Corvette owner shoe of choice...
Lightweight?? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 it’s as heavy as your wife is
@@josiahhein6036 😂
For me the Corvette has some Ferrari vibes. I love that Chevy dealers anywhere can service it. Love Porsche and had several but like the idea of contributing to the quantum leap forward that Chevy has made with the C8. Advantage Corvette. My only criticism is the Corvette styling which to me is a bit shouty and overdone. But it is growing on me.
Great new format. keep it coming! I wish the vette would do a mild refresh and take the f14 out of it a bit.
The blending of facts, jokes, and shots is really good. Love the work gents
I love the back and forth… Head to head style of this video! Great work guys!
"have our comfortable cake, but also eat road courses too" - the lyrical waxing's of the zack klappings
Was debating between these two and went with a Z51 C8. Can't go wrong with either one though.
Now get a Porsche
@@cmetube strong possibility down the line. For now, I'll enjoy this bumper to bumper warranty for the next 36 months.
In spite of what they were trying to sell you, you made the right choice.
I love the back and forth format of this!
More of these please!!!
I have the Boxster GTS 4.0 with manual coming in a month and I've always preferred the styling, feel and pedigree of Porsche. The Lotus(s) and Corvettes definitely have nice stats as well but I've never really got into the recent designs of the vette. Any of these are great driving choices though, just all depends on what gets your blood going and what is available to you. Thanks as always for the entertaining and informative videos.
You'll be thrilled - every PCA member I have ran into: "Once you go Porsche, you never go back..." - basically you become a lifetime owner. "Better" does not always mean on paper numbers - which - is what too many obsess about.
Congratulations Gerry - I’ve had my Boxster GTS for 6 months now and it blows me away every time I drive it, and I’ve had some seriously good cars in my back catalogue! Not sure how long you’ve waited (mine took 18 months) but it’ll have been worth it…
After owning my Cayman 4.0 for 10 months now I know I made the right choice and it is the most perfectly balanced sports car. Mine took 11 months from deposit to delivery.
Congrats!
Pedigree is a problematic word considering Prof. Porsche’s early client, and the fact that Corvette Racing has been dominant in GT3 racing many times, but congratulations dude, awesome car.
Yeah, the Vette is just a bit much. Looks like its wants to be a baby hypercar. For that reason i couldn't daily it. But its undoubtedly a beastly car.
Im more than pleased with my Cayman. Fits my needs perfectly. Oh, and it has a manual :p
Matt starting the segment with, "I love the Porsche...." and just stopping the sentence there would have been accurate enough.
Today on SmokingTIre Matt and Zack peer directly into my brain with today's comparison.
STOKED for this one. 10 years ago if you seriously told me a Corvette could run with a Porsche I wouldve pointed at the Cobalt steering wheel and laughed at you....now? Woooo baby.
Cracked windshield on the Vette, ouch. Would you say that the Cayman's steering is as good as the Evora/Emira? "I don't value race track speed" says the guy who spent how much in engine upgrades to that Boxster :)
Yeah I wonder if he forgets he told everyone he did that and it wasn't cheap at all.
If you're buying a new Vette you can probably afford a 10 year SUV to put golf clubs in. 🤦♂️
Owning either is a win as they are both great cars and the C8 is better for the money. However I would take the Caymen with a Manual.
New format kept me glued throughout the whole video. Great work fellas.
Lotus Emira. Better driver's car than either.
Very few people are buying these as their only car. And the Emira is better looking than the Cayman, which is a little dull.
The Corvette has made huge leaps in performance and the quality of engineering. And Porsche is...well...Porsche. But that big American V8 makes all the difference in the experience. Touché, Chevy. You're doing a great job of capturing what you learn from the racing you're doing (as it should be).
Don’t let them fool you, that cayman gts 4.0 runs 0-60 in 3.4 and 11.7 at 120mph quartermile stock in pdk form. Compared to the c8’s 11.2 at 122 mph. I’d say they would be dead even from a roll race, or on a road course.
Very true watch straightpipes video and the Boxster 4.0 beats the C8 in a drag
It’s not even a comparison the C8 Corvette has much better performance for less money. And there’s no thing as fast enough. Corvette rules. It’s obvious both of these guys are Porsche fan boys.
Love this format. This was really well put together from the script to the editing. Great work.
That was great fun! Good banter, good points more good fun. Well done guys!
Well, if it's just a true sports car experience you want, and like me could never afford either of these two cars, save a ton of money and get a Miata! Even an older one. I LOVE both of these cars in the video, but they're not even close to my budget. Especially when you consider maintaining them once you get them. Even the tires are crazy expensive. Great video guys! Love seeing these cars out on the road.
Great video and comparison. It's like the best parts of one take and old top gear combined.
Is it just a coincidence that SavageGeese did nearly the same comparison?
It's not the most outlandish comparison. There's not very many mid-engine cars at this price point.
Didn’t savagegeese do z06 v gt3rs on track? That’s a bit different.
@@TheSmokingTire no it's not! Just was curious if Porsche and GM were teaming up on a road show head to head or something.
Yes, it is a coincidence. Also, they used completely different cars.
I really like the last minute honorable mention of the Emira…since that is the one I am leaning towards! 😉 Great video guys!
Cayman GTS all day. It's a subjectively better investment and it clicks all the boxes.
“Abstinence Wall” and the agonizing “fuck” at the end were just perfect. I see you Zack.
Thanks for a very good review on these two cars. I have one "heretical" comment to make about this comparison. In the US, whether you like it or not, at some point you are going to have to make drives of some length on interstate highways. This means that cabin noise IS a factor in a quality of life comparison for a sports car. I know from experience that Porsche products permit a ton of road noise into the cabin and long distance drives at highway speeds are less enjoyable as a result. I don't know whether the Corvette has a similar "feature" or not and I would have liked to hear about that.
Wait, you think the rest of the world doesnt have highways? Yikes!
@@newone-gd9skno, he means that in the U.S. you’re much more likely to take longer road trips than most markets outside of N.A.
the Cayman isn’t available either and its much expensive. Its way over $20k difference
I’d take the Cayman in a heartbeat. Looking to buy a 981 S at some point this year.
Matt Farragut bought the wrong car. The Corvette is better in every single way and it’s cheaper. That Corvette spits in the face of German sports cars and I love it.
C8 currently at sticker. 100k loaded. Caymen 110k with 30k premium. 140k. As of this week. 😉
double wishbone allows for more compliance while properly controlling the camber during body roll from cornering. remember: the point of suspension is to keep wheels on the ground over bumps, so compliance (softer) is better. McPherson has limited travel before camber (and grip) goes wonky, so you HAVE to stiffen it to allow for high cornering forces, but this only works on smooth surfaces; bumps now upset the stiff suspension.
These are my two favorite cars. I just received my C8 about two months ago and absolutely love it. I just can't imagine the Cayman being better for what you get from the C8 as far as price, but maybe performance.
“Feeling of oneness with the car “ SPOT ON…. Nothing beats a Porsche in how its truly designed around the driver… ….!
I would definitely go with the Cayman GTS if I had to pick one.
The studio bit at the end is a great addition to this format! Keep up the great work.
Remember when a new 911 was under 100k 5 years ago :(
I was thinking the same thing, now a base 911 coupe starts at $114,400.
@@geneg6343now its 120k there planning on upping the msrp by 6k a year on the 911
This is a great video and great comparison, I love both cars, but I will go for the Porsche simply because it has a stick, And I feel the fit and finish on the Porsche is next level.
If the prestige of a particular brand influences your buying decision for a sports car, I would argue your priorities are mixed up.
Someone gets it.
Hahaaa, abstinence wall!! This format works really well, thanks for the great content.
Should have been a comparison against a base model Cayman. The GTS starting price is over $25k higher then the Vette's. AND with the PDK, or any real options added, the GTS it's over $100k too.
Also Matt, come on, complaining the lower tier model Vette's interior feels cheap compared to the GTS, WHAT?? Get the highest interior trim package and compare it to that. Fully trimmed it's still way less money then the GTS. As is, this was just kind pointless comparison, the Z51 outclasses the GTS in so many ways but lost just because it's not a Porsche? You literally gave the GTS 2 points out of your 5 point subjective scoring system just "bEcaUse PoRscHe". No point for price to performance either, convenient.
The Z06 at $106k vs the GTS (w/PDK) at $100k would be a better $100,000 car comparison. And that would be a one sided battle.
Great video! Had a C7 GS, yes awesome but having more fun on track in my 987.2 Cayman S.
Cayman GTS has $10-15k ADM, and C8 going under $5k MSRP. And there are almost no 718 GTS or GT4
"the front looks OK, I think it looks like a paper airplane that was made from a previously constructed airplane." Ouch - that's a burn! 🔥🤣
It would be interesting to compare the cost of maintenance between the two.
Big difference! My friend has a Porsche..he hardly drives it because he doesnt want to pay for the tune ups and service which are about 1500 to 2000$ a pop.. i would imagine the Corvette would be brake pads and a oil change.. i would take the Vette everytime!!
@@cnewell1971 Corvettes are cheap until they aren't. There's a ton of custom Vette-specific parts that aren't cheap. Your friend needs to move on from that Porsche. If $2,000 services are too much then they simply can't afford the car.
@@996rick and a 944 isnt cheap?
The video quality and story telling is impressive! Keep it up guys!
As someone who daily drive both a Cayman GTS and a Corvette Z51. If I had to pick again, I would pick the Corvette.
Oh come on, share some details - likes/dislikes?
@@I999-g2s The think that makes Corvette special is how broad the power band is. From 1200 rpm all the way to 7500 rpm. You always have power in all gear, whenever you need it. the Flat6 requires to be more in 3K RPM to really get the best out of the engine.
I've done autocross with both cars and although they both perform great, the corvette was always the faster cars even when you think the Porsche would excel.
I had more luxury in my Vette compare to the GTS and for a daily driving, I just a more pleasant experience. The porsche really needs to be driven hard to really start to shine. it's a the edge that it's brilliant.
Either way, my time with the Vette was great so was the time with the Cayman GTS. I didn't regret my time in both but given the choice of 1 or the other, I will go back to the Vette.
@@fogboundturtle thanks for the colour, much appreciated.
My 911 is much the same as you describe, power band is beyond 4k rpm and it’s lost fun at 7/10th’s and beyond.
I’m very very tempted to get a C8…
"abstinence wall" Iconic.
i have a base 718 cayman and it’s my daily. definitely so comfortable and feels so much bigger inside for as small and sporty as it is. looks amazing too….as for the vette i originally liked it when it was announced, but now i feel like the front end has knock off super car vibes and seems kind of basic imo
14:14 - "the abstinence wall"! That's a great description.
I think the Corvette gets you more budget Ferrari vibes while the Cayman is…a Porsche.
I think the Emira transcends these two with more exotic styling and, controversially, perhaps a better noise stock for stock.
Least useable day to day perhaps but seems to be the most interesting to me.
The Cayman is the choice though. If only the base C8 was spicier!
Yes. C8 Corvette looks more cheap than C7. Emira would be great. (if you take manual)
If the Corvette looked like the Emira, it would win hands down with these two. The Porsche has no wow factor and for my first mid-engine car, it had to have that. Porsche's are for people who have already had their fill of "look at me" sports cars and want something a bit more "mature". These two have been privileged enough to have that experience. The vast majority of people who haven't bought sports cars in the normal course of their lives point, smile and/or ask me to rev my Corvette, even when a Porsche is hanging around nearby.
Cayman all day. Forget prestige, Corvette just looks ugly.
Nice video, guys - some CC for you: Zack's audio came in a lot louder than Matt's at times (5:20), so some leveling might be good in post. Keep the good stuff coming! Also, jacket > sweater. LOL
From America..."cue the British power metal" iron maiden style lol
TH-cam only has so much free music, haha.
"I even like the buttons on the abstinence wall" HAHA that was funny and unexpected 14:00
I don't get the hate for the corvette aesthetics, rear or otherwise. I think it looks absolutely great yet every car reviewer mentions how ugly it is or how the rear is ruined or whatever. Whole thing looks great to me. I'm really torn between these 2 cars, I want to get one to replace my older Cayman, but not sure which. Leaning towards a 2LT Z51 with mag & front lift, but I haven't said "no" to the GTS yet. I feel like you have to put significantly more in options into the Porsche just to get comparable features. But even my older Cayman has the better steering than the C8, and the C8 steering is pretty good. Porsche makes amazing steering systems. The road feel overall is fantastic. The mag ride & front lift though on the vette is just a game changer. I can enter my driveway at straight-up 90* with the front-lift with the vette. Can't do that in the Cayman.
I disagree with Matt on the finances side. MAYBE the used value will stay up purely because it's the 4.0 and they're knifing the 6 cyl (especially; if it has the manual), but otherwise Porsche values plummet used, and short term you'll likely lose more with the Porsche, but I reckon it'll hold the value long term because of the manual + 6cyl in a world where they're both dying. But they're going to knife the vette soon, it's going to be all electric, and when that happens I reckon the C8 values will hold, so IDK.
I don't know, I agree with them about the rear, it's just too big and rectangular
@@tbunreall I feel like you can say the same about something like the Gallardo though, but I've never heard the same said.
@@MrSlowestD16 I don't even fully disagree with you, but the the rear of a gallardo suits it's body shape more than the corvette does though. When you put it that way though, don't think the big rectangular rear is necessarily the problem, just that it kind of stick out on the body shape of the c8, it's just integrated as well
@@tbunreall Yeah I think it's noticeable from the front side b/c the rear window / c-pillar tapers inwards, into what is basically a rectangle. It seems to be 2 distinct lines. But look at a pic of a McLaren MP4-12C - that has virtually identical lines in the rear, I think you could even make the claim that Chevy ripped off that design, and nobody ever said that car was ugly.
I can see how it's 2 different shapes, but it doesn't appear ugly to me. I feel like it gets a double standard b/c it's a Chevy. Not to mention the rectangular lines allow a lot of trunk space (and a big engine), good stuff. Targa storage on-board = tits, and anything that you could put proper bags in for overnight trips and such? Fantastic. That's what I love so much about my current Cayman, I can stock up the trunk the frunk on a Costco run and it holds a good bit.
I think it'd look tighter in the rear and maybe wouldn't get so much criticism if it didn't have a trunk, if it was frunk-only, the rear just ended after the engine. But that kinda goes against the Corvette design philosophy.
I mean it’s simple… one feels and handles like a proper sports car and the other feels and drives like a relaxed GT car
base zo6 is 109k before taxes and markups, cayman gts 4.0 hits 106k with a pdk and seats added before tax/markups. thats a much more interesting comparison in the realm of hypotheticals
Yeah their not comparing the right cars here. The base corvette is significantly cheaper than the cayman. The z06 is the right car to compare price wise, and the z06 would absolutely slaughter the cayman in every way. Wouldn’t even be remotely close.
But that’s how a corvette works. It wouldn’t be a corvette if it didn’t slaughter every car in its price range (and higher) That’s it’s purpose, and it does it well.
Also it seems Matt is very biased towards Porsche (for very good reasons)
Despite having two Porsches in my garage I find this merely a so-so comparison. Price wise, a proper comparison would have been at least a 3LT Corvette vs the Cayman GTS 4.0. I am currently shopping for a low mileage GTS 4.0, but I have noticed how feature rich a 3LT Corvette is.
Matt is de facto on Porsche's payroll (free lavish trips to Europe for Porsche press events, etc.), so not surprised by his bias.
Not because he owns one and truly likes it?
What a great way to close this video out. Zak is priceless. I want the Cayman GTS4.0 with a stick shift. If I won the lottery, I would take it to the guy that did the 4.5 conversion with the short gears. I think its a bad investment as you'll never get that money back in resale.
I dunno - I don't think you get every dollar back, but I think you get 50 or 75 cents to the dollar back on a Deman setup. It's a highly desirable configuration (unlike most mods).
It really does come down to what you're looking for, to me and my uses the corvette is the better option. Its not as classic looking but it just looks more exciting than the porsche to me. I do prioritize performance as well because i regularly drive track events and the corvette is better suited to that. Both cars are great it just depends what you're looking for.
So glad you guys officially called out the golf club requirement for ruining what could've been a beautifully balanced car. GM benchmarked the 458 Italia when designing the C7, but I don't seem to recall a rear boot in that perfect nexus of Italian loveliness.
corvette has a targa top, winner
Cayman all day every day over the Corvette. Don’t care if the Vette is more powerful and faster off the line.
Great vid, nice time to be a car guy… for now
For now......what's gonna happen in 2025 when someone has to review the 2025 electric 718. They'll be start off with the E word and ending with the F word.
MMICE. THE word I use for Teslas, is how I describe the 2025 electric 718 too. My new acronym for when the electric car takes my 718 away. Miss My Internal Combustion Engine.
I always get a good laugh out of watching presenters try to think up arguments against Porsche in comparison tests. You can feel that their heart isn't in the argument and that says it all. No knock to the Corvette though, can't wait to try out a C8. Looks like tons of fun. Great video, guys!
Remember when $100k bought you a new 911? 💀
The fact that we have to have a brief mention about quality physical buttons and controls speaks volumes to the stupidity of excessive modernization (aka screen takeover).
Thanks Matt and Zack for great content as always!