C8 Corvette vs Porsche Cayman - Best mid-engine? - Everyday Driver TV Season 8
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- The Porsche Cayman is one of our favorite cars, but the C8 Corvette is similarly priced and mid-engined as well. Which is the more satisfying drivers car? And which one would we own? Join us for one of our closest comparisons ever.
00:00 - 1:02 Intro
1:02 - 4:25 Design and Interior
4:25 - 10:50 Performance and Power
10:50 - 16:35 Ride and Handling
16:35 - 17:17 Conclusions
17:17 - 18:38 Bighorn Sheep!
18:38 - Ratings and Rankings
This episode from Season 8 first Premiered on MotorTrend cable channel in the Spring of 2021.
#Cayman #C8 #Corvette #MidEngine #comparison
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I have a 718 Cayman, and my buddy has a C8 Z51 with magnaride. We swapped cars one day, and I was blown away by the power and the incredible ride quality of the C8. He was absolutely flabbergasted at the steering feel and nimbleness of my Cayman. At the end of the day, they're both incredible cars, especially for the money. Granted, my Cayman has a manual..... And to me that makes all the difference in the world lol
yeah Manual is awesome
I’m on a waiting list for the z06 corvette and 718 cayman. You can’t get one if you’re not willing to pay dealer markups
@@CR-qu5jc You need to get on the waiting list for the GT3. If, rumors concerning the C8 ZO6 are correct the GT3 will be a match in performance.
@@ronretired282 GT3 prices are insane
@@CR-qu5jc You are right. My buddy paid close to $200K but, he's an idiot. Just kidding. He can't wait for me to obtain the Z06 for some real head to head action. Late 2022; should be fun on the track next year. Enjoy your evening.
I think that a Cayman GTS or S with the 6 Cylinder engine would have been a better comparison to the Corvette C8 Z51
I totally agree. I have said in many previous videos, the GTS is the best comparo for the C8
Of course. The 4.0 is the first choice in Caymans.
@@arr0gant1 First, disclaimer: I have driven the GT3, 992, and C8. In my opinion the C8 and 992 or 992 S are closer in performance, and touring capabilities. To me the Porsche (GT) cars are a little more focused in the track aspect. The trade off is less of a tour mode however, several of Porsche guys in my club believe the GT cars have the same feel as our 992's. Anyway, you can't go wrong with a GTS or C8. Great time to be a car guy/gal!
@@ronretired282 have u driven a 781 GTS, GT4 or Spyder?
@@arr0gant1 No G.B. I personally have no experience with the GTS or GT4. We only have 992's, GT3's, Corvette's, and one old member with a 944 in our club. Many of us own both brands. And, yes the conversation always comes up that the 981 and 987 was the best version of Cayman back in the day.
Oh yes, the mythical $60k C8... you should mention the markups so that C8 is actually $90k.
Lol
Over $100k now.
I finally made it to a financial position where a $75k car wouldn't hinder my financial status and now these C8s are going over the 6 fig prices... Even the Cayman are close to 80k and S going over $100k...
@@JS-fc3vq Where do you live where Cayman prices are that high?
Mythical? Wrong. Bought a brand new 2022 for 62,195.Sticker.
@@kabob21 probably canadian prices?
I love how everyone says the C8 starts at 60k, when we all know not a single one has sold for that.
Jim, I hate to say it but, you are really wrong on that one. There are about 50 Corvette dealers that sell the C8 Stingray 1LT at MSRP ($60k). That would be no ADM fee.
@@ronretired282 Send me a link. I'd love to buy one. 😁
MacMulkin is MSRP and great to work with.
Yep. There ate a few.
Bought mine for 60k, selling for 90k
718 turbo is the most underrated sports car ever. I drove one from L.B. to Phoenix in 4hrs, and it was one of the most fun drives Ive ever had. Great car that made it all the way to Tomopah on one tank of gas.
Agree. I have a 718 turbo GTS. Much pore potent on the track then the 6. But on a high speed track the C8 rules. No comparison. Much more stable and confidence inspiring. I know because I own both cars and have 40 plus track days in each.
Had the cayman and now the C8….well the C8 wins for me…hate to say this because I love Porsche over GM by 99%
I'm sorry, you guys are in dreamland. I love Porsche, and I respect the lightness of the Cayman/Boxster and I like turbo engines too - but - you're telling me you would take a 4 cylinder base engine, lackluster exhaust note on a 6 year old platform over a car with a sub 3 second 0-60, awesome exhaust note and styling (admittedly subjective) on a brand new platform? You just get so much more car with the C8 (like a removable roof). You would be absolutely nuts to take the Cayman in this comparison - that base engine is simply not enough. I do give props to Porsche for offering the manual though.
Yes, that's what they're telling you. And they're right.
@@rogerl7533 No they aren't. The C8 0-60 matches hypercars from a few years back You're telling me you're taking a 2.0L, 4 cylinder engine over a mid engine V8? Aka the deal of the century?
@@amiller2121 As it happens, I own a 3.4 litre 6 cylinder 981, with a manual 6-speed, and much prefer it to the new 'vette, which I have driven.
@@rogerl7533 Ah ha - that's not the same thing. We're talking about a Cayman with a turbo 4 (in its base form) - not a 981 that had a nice exhaust note. We're talking about a car that wasn't even that well reviewed when it first came out and is not exactly lauded by driving purists. A car that required Porsche to bring back the naturally aspirated engine to get people buy it. A car that will soon be replaced with an all electric powertrain and Porsche won't need to be concerned that people won't buy it because they liked the previous version so much (aside from the GTS 4.0 maybe).
@Robots Can Do Better I agree with you for the most part.
As a Car Lover watching these 2 drive these cars with such a back drop is so cinematic. I feel like a kid watching SpeedRacer ;)
Epic scenery, makes me want to go visit the states again. Roads look good. Todd and Paul were awesome as always. Keep it up guys. Big love from UK.
yeah except for the shitty and biased review it was an ok video not as engaging and cinematic as savage geese or hagerty and the review not as accurate as doug demuro but at least they tried it still prob took a lot of work and money to make.
For a car guy it's hard to look at the c8 and not just think wow, that's a corvette? that's an $80k car..they are just stunning, and look and perform like 200k supercars. I am blessed with the ability to like something from every maker, i don't pick sides, i love me a Porsche, the 718 is unreal, but for 70-80k i'm taking the vette.
Except it’s too big and some idiot decided a golf bag sized trunk is a necessity.
What’s even crazier is it’s not an 80k car it’s 59k
@@darint6842 That’s the base model. If you want your Corvette to truly go fast you’ll need a Z51, and that brings it up to around $70-80K
I have one. It's not to big. It's a great car for the $$$ I have a base with some options. Base is base. It was $65k but no heated seats or rear camera. It gets tons of attention and is relatively fast. Will upgrade the tires shocks, springs, brake pads and have a performer for $2500 vs $6k. Does have cylinder shutoff. Got 29 mpg doing 65 on a 200 Mile trip. Will be going to Ron fellows in a week. Also going to rent a supercar in Vegas to compare with my C8.
@@bunsenn5064 man listen, I drive a Camry. The base will be a spaceship to me 😂😂😂
Great review, great cars, beautiful scenery, awesome video! I love watching these videos for their excellent production quality, even though I couldn't afford either of these cars!
One of the best things about this channel is trying to figure out where your driving the cars. Valley of fire?
I agree, they pick such great places to drive and film. Yes, this is in the Valley of Fire area (can see the sign at 13:41)
heaven?
This definitely looks like Valley of Fire and the back roads north of lake Mead. A very scenic way to get from Utah to vegas.
Yep...same here
I rented. Motorcycle and went through there last time I was in Vegas. Way better than gambling for me.
I would love the Porsche 718 Cayman GTS 4.0. Naturally aspirated 4.0 liter flat 6 with 6 speed manual. That is the perfect combination right there!
I have one (coming from an m2.) and I am in love. I seriously can’t believe they are comparing a na v8 rear mid engine vs a base turbo charged flat 4 when a few models up there is a flat six na.
@@jacebeleren429 No serious track guy/gal can believe this base Cayman vs C8 Stingray (Z51) review. Question: Why did you not go for the GT4?
@@ronretired282 I don’t do a lot of track driving, I do live close to Sonoma and Laguna Seca, but I mostly just love driving on backroads. I live in SF and the roads out here are a nightmare. Also… it was on the lot for msrp in my EXACT desired spec(except I did want bermester). Anyway, no regrets (other than I wish it cam with PS4/S instead of pzero’s).
Absolutely correct!i I own a 2008 cayman with
The smaller 6 with the 5 speed. Bought a 2000
Boxster S in Seattle ( same engine as the cayman) and really enjoyed road trips all over
The Western states. Have had enough “ sun”
So the cayman ( for me) is the perfect Porsche
For Hawaii.
The Boxster was fun but the Cayman in my
Opinion is a better machine….
Next thing to a “ slot car”
Harry Bjornson
I loved the 981 Cayman GTS around the track (recall on the 981 Cayman and Boxster by the way) and I've heard nothing but great things about 718's platform but I don't want the turbo 4 I want the flat 6, now I just need to make enough money to buy once.
The C8 Corvette is great, I've driven many corvettes and the C8 is just amazing and I can't wait for it's 5.5L flat plane crank V8 with 617hp to come out as that will make it special.
I picked up a 987.2 Cayman,(no IMS bearing), with 22,000 miles, 6 spd, some nice options for less than half of what these cars cost. It's got the flat 6 and the phenomenal hydraulic rack and pinion steering. Just a weekend toy so why spend $80,000?
Forgot to qualify that. I previously owned a C-6 and a C-7 Grand Sport, the build quality on the Porsche is so much better!!
@@TexasRiverRat31254 Agreed and actually I want the 987.2 Cayman S with a manual, handling, decent speed, amazing handling, and wonderful sound. Congrats on getting your Cayman, do you track it?
@@TexasRiverRat31254 I was not a fan of the C6 and the first 2 years of the C7 were problematic.
@@TexasRiverRat31254 I picked up a 987.2 Cayman S with 72,000 miles, PDK, fairly barebones but with HRE wheels and TubiStyle exhaust for less than half of these and less than a C7 (probably worth around half at today's prices).
Both cars are outstanding. I first purchased a new 2014 Cayman 275 hp, 6cyl. PDK trans and still have it. H.P. is great, but 99%+ of the time you don't need it. With Porsche is pure German QUALITY engineering and the handling is beyond an adjective I can think of now. I'm so glad GM saw the light going to mid engine. Eventually they will perfect it. To date, I've only done routine maintence (8 years now) and I do perfer the Caman over the 911.
GM saw the light? It was thought of to go mid engine, even to trial it back before porsche he even thought of the 911 !
Porsche quality, definitely not german quality!!
@@mcmc1863 Gosh, Porsche is manufactured in Germany. I've had my 2014 Basic Cayman 7 years and found the quality to be superior. Only done basic required maintenance to it. Even still have original brakes but they are getting close to replace in the front.
@@RO-cf3lz Porsche is leaps and bounds above other German companies in terms of quality.
@R O I also have a 2014 Cayman Base, I have only done basic maintenance and had to replace the battery last week, it was 7 years old. To me the intangibles like handling, the feel of driving, the comments about the look of it, the sound of the exhaust, and the smell of the engine after a hard drive outweigh horsepower and 0-60 numbers. Also we all know that the quality of Porsche outweighs that of GM bar far!
@@mcmc1863 what do you do for a living?
I love both of these cars and am a huge Porsche fan. However, despite being more nimble and refined, the turbo 4 is a huge turnoff for me. If I wanted a turbo 4, I’d buy a sti or golf r. The v8 has a sound and feel that can’t be matched by the tiny turbo. If it were the soulful screaming Porsche flat six, way better comparison for me.
Agreed-why I just bought a 981 cayman s!
Agreed. Looking for a Cayman S now, and no interest in a turbo 4.
That’s exactly what I thought until I drove the 718. Sure, it can’t match the sound I had on my 981S with a Capristo cat back exhaust, but the improvement in the steering feel between the 981 and 718 is significant, and that turbo everyone hates solves the crippled gearing ratio by adding massive amounts of torque through the whole rev range. It was a tough decision for me to move up a generation, but the driver feeling of the 718 won my heart. I still miss the sound of the 981S, but am loving my 718GTS (it’s a 2018 turbo).
As a previous 996 and 997C4 (with full fabspeed) owner I felt the same way… until I drove a 718 manual, then then promptly bought it. It one of the best cars I’ve ever driven, hands down…And the stereo is good…so can’t hear the horrible noise it makes.
@@jefflemond5267 I respect that. I have no doubt it’s an amazing car. For me though the sound is one of the best parts of driving. I actually drove the Taycan S recently at a launch party and while it’s wildly capable, the lack of sound was odd. It was even kind of misleading. No tire noise, no wind noise, no rpm climb etc. So no sense of speed either. All of a sudden you’re doing 100+ mph and the car made zero effort to get there. Wild. It also weighs almost 5k lbs but handles like a wrx. They’ve really cracked the code. It made me realize electric and turbo is going to be the only thing available very soon so I’m searching for something NA and violent while I still can…
Did anyone else start looking for a coyote chasing a roadrunner in this environment? Just beautiful
Beep Beep
David, you are dating yourself. I had to say it...beep beep!!
As I am 6'3" I beg to differ with you. I drove all the way from Athens, Ga to Hilton Head Porsche to buy a Cayman, just like this one. Same gorgeous color!! However, on the test drive, I could not find one comfortable position to drive this car. Therefore, I bought another 911. Love a 911 for comfort!!
18-way seats for the win
Sarge, i just think you wanted a new 911. The 911 traditionally has easier egress than most sport cars. Corvette is number two. I have never heard of anyone stating the Cayman has better egress than the Corvette.
Interesting. I am also 6'3" and have no problems in my Cayman. I just set the seat as low as it goes and have plenty of room, even with a helmet at the track.
I'm 6'5" and while it's cozy, I fit without hitting my head in the Cayman. I couldn't do that in the C8 (sadly).
Some people have longer legs than torso and some have longer torsos than legs. That might have something to do with it. There's been a few sort of "reel" style videos where they have two people sitting and then they get up to reveal that one is way taller than the other one, but from the front while sitting, they appear to be the same height.
I'm glad you both went with your heart and chose the car you genuinely felt was better, even though there must have been pressure to choose the C8 even if it was not quite as good, due to the power, newness, American made, Porsche fatigue, any number of reasons. Ultimately there is a reason Porsche is so well regarded. Great video, keep it up!
porsche might have been ok back in the day but they are way overpriced now thanks to the collapsing euroean (and soon to be us) economy and FYI "going with your heart" is how most people get F'd over.
That bs Porsche doesn’t hold a candle to the C8 much less 3 generations of Corvettes before.
As an owner of a C8 who absolutely loves the car, I understand your pick. But if something goes wrong with the Porsche, I bet you it will cost more to fix than the C8........ Love the content guys - Thanks !!!!!!!
when the warranty expires on both cars, I wonder how much each has depreciated before you start doing repairs out of pocket.
Would pick a c8 100% of the time, even if it's an automatic, unfortunately. C8 brings so much to the table for so little. That's why it's sold out until 2023 lol.
@Modine Loves the car - Correction made - Thanks !!!!!!
I think you might be surprised at the maintenance of the Cayman compared to the C8. 2.5 years ago I purchased an 06CS with 14k on it. I have 39k on it and perform my own oil changes, brakes and brake sensors were easy to replace myself. The Serpentine belt has a kit with pulleys is a little over $300 and takes a few hours but it easy to replace. The plugs and coils are a little difficult to get to as you have to remove the wheel wells and cost around $250-300 but are something someone can do in a few hours. I don't know about the C8 and maintenance but my 15 year old Cayman CS full tune up and brakes was about $800 on my labor and I NEVER worked on cars before my Cayman but I figured it was a glorified bug and you tube has a video for all the maintenance the Cayman needs.
That's the trick. I daily drove a 987 S for 5 years and over 60k miles and nothing broke. Maintenance and cost to own was no more than any of the many Honda's I've owned if you know a good shop and avoid dealers, which I'd suggest no matter what you drive.
Honestly, I'd like a revisit of this with current market prices on both. What do the trims look like when they're matched on price once the markups are applied?
Why do car reviewers so rarely mention the Targa Top feature of the C8 Corvette? Taking the top off transforms the car and offers an experience you can't get with a regular coupe.
ML, I don't think this was that type of a review. Ergonomics, tech, track prowess was omitted by design.
Agree on take off the top! :) I own a Porsche 993 cabriolet and rarely drive it with the top up! 😀 Maybe they should next compare the boxter VS c8 targa?
Because then they would need to use a Boxster
I agree with that, its the number one reason I would buy a vette over a Porsche, for everything else I'd get the Porsche
Because they know it would shift it
Thanks for the amazing filming and video footage! I'm a huge Porsche fan but I would have to go with the attention getting Vette.
I have a 718s with sports exhaust and I don't get the hate. Down low it's like a rumbly v8 and up top it has kind of a 918 note. Its efficient, very powerful and pretty revvy for a turbo.
Totally. Exhaust on the Cayman is an easy upgrade/modification if you're not happy with stock.
lol it's definitely not a rumbly v8, it sounds unrefined and tractor ish
As the owner of a 987.2 6 spd Cayman, which I love, more power is always welcome IMO. Great episode guys!
the 718 is wayyy powerful. Props for buying manual!
@@AP-rl6uc lol, no. Even an 718 S is only marginally more powerfull than my full exhaust 987.2, while weighing about 100lbs more. Hardly powerful at all - my biggest complaint about the car is the need for another 100-150HP.
@@Nitrousbird it depends on where you use it. For track more power is always welcome. But here in the alps you cannot use it to full potential.
The 2.9 flat6 got 265bhp and 300Nm, at high revs. A 2.0turbo stock is 300bhp and 380Nm, but @1500
With a map and standard PSE you get 380hp/420Nm. With a turbo swap its 440hp/520Nm, for this power on a flat6 2.9 you need to swap engine..
Btw they are good cars :)
Light weight fixes everything, especially when driving a sports car. If Porsche can make a car that weighs as much as a 4c or Exige/Elise, it will be the best sports car.
Sherman, I didn't know the 4C was so lite when compared to the Cayman, or any other sports car. I actually, thought the 4C would grow up over time, and add the creature comforts that people expect in there sports car (storage, and tech).
@@ronretired282 it was a halo car following the heritage of tipo 33, montreal, Sprint Zagato, and 8c.it was intended to be a low production model. North American production is less than 2200 since 2014. So it’s a very rare car that didn’t evolve much. Bet on this car to be a future collector.
Sherman you are absolutely correct. I moved from a Porsche to a 4C. Love both but the nimbleness of a 4C and the raw driving feel is under appreciated. In this regard it beats my old Boxster S. The reality is that North American's cannot fathom life in a car without cup holders, motorized seats, a big screen and entertainment system or room for golf clubs lol. The vette is designed for the BIG american who wants lots of H.P. a big car to fit himself and his clubs. Me I would go the Porsche its more of a drivers car. Lastly your point about Porsche reducing weight in a car by say 500 to 600 lbs would be the best drivers sports car by a long shot. The vette is good value for the money no doubt.
Really well done, loved the creative landscape shots!!
Beautiful shots and insights as always!
I have a 718 Boxster and any time a car enthusiast rides with me they're shocked at how it handles and drives.
Then you would love driving my Radical SR1 ,
You reckon it’s better than a supra?
I got a 65K Manual C7 Grand Sport over a 718 and couldn't be happier. The 718 felt underpowered, and the GTS wasn't worth the extra 10K IMO. That being said, the Porsche was a nicer ride, was a bit comfier, and way more civil than my Vette. Can't go wrong with either but don't sleep on those C7s!
Gr8 info. I'm looking at these 2 as my next currently.
Absolutely both great cars, it really does come down to taste
LTS, the base Cayman is slow on any track. The GT4 is a different animal and proper car to go head to head with the C8 Stingray on the track.
simply the most thorough and well presented driving videos extant. Thanks!
Glad you enjoy them, thank you for watching!
Great video guys, what action camera did you use in the cockpit
Man you guys do a great job. Thanks for the journey, the deep thoughts and we'll spoken opinions on each of these amazing cars. Also for the light comedy with the wildlife haha! It makes for a well rounded and enjoyable video that makes you anticipate the next one. Bravo again gents.
Thank YOU for watching and connecting with what we do. Lots more on the way!
I think the Cayman is a better design in and out- simple and elegant. The Corvette is too visually busy.
Love the show guys ... Never miss an episode
I have a 718 Boxster. On balance nothing compares. Handling, storage, fuel economy and sheer fun in a car you can take on long road trips is amazing.
I went from a manual 987 Cayman to a Z51 C8. It was actually the EverydayDriver C7 vs. C8 episode that convinced me I had to get a C8! Initially I wanted a 718 GTS but my build was $109k vs $86k for the loaded 3LT. Just couldn't justify the price difference and turbos or not, no way was I going to buy a 4 cyl. I miss the 3rd pedal at times but no regrets on my decision.
Great comment. I agree 100%. The vette kicked them all in the balls. That will make for some amazing advances for all of us. Then they will drop the Z06. Lol.
I’ll take the 4-cyl if it’s in a Cayman.
According to my Porsche buddies you needed to keep the 987, and add the C8 to the stable.
@@ronretired282 No room, I have a couple other toys and something had to go. Got several k more than I paid for the 987 so it wasn't a tough decision.
@@RoyalFizzbin I've heard (read) of too many people regretting buying the 4cyl. and selling for 981's or 987's because the miss that flat 6 sound.
As someone who driven both (owned 981 GTS also), driven new GT4/GTS 4.0.......I can say C8 is a car that gives performance/money ratio (In US only in MSRP)....... But the car I always wanted back to driving it again is Porsche Cayman, I never get bored from it (even the fact that I driven GTS for 6 years and done over 45K miles)....... Car is more than a V8 and 0-60 and Cayman is just like that.......
I will say this: you won't understand what I say until you own Porsche, cause they don't make sense on paper but realty is there's a reason why price is high, cause Porsche develops their sports car 2 years straight on Nurburging testing it over and over again! That's costly since each years costs millions of dollars development time
TRX, I think this review was a base model Cayman vs a C8 Stingray with Z51. The reviewers found the C8 not in the same category on tight turns. I find that interesting. I remember the GT4 beating the Stingray at the Lightning lap. There was no mention of the base Cayman. If, memory serves it was the Stingray beating both the Porsche 911 S and GT4 at the Nurburgring, and still no mention of the base Cayman. I just don't understand how a base Cayman can show more track focus than a GT4 and 911 S.
@@ronretired282 Not really C8 didn't beat GT4 on Nurburging + that GT4 was manual not even PDK.....
As for Carrera that car was running on regular P-Zero tyres while C8 used PS4S which is even more superior P-Zero Corsa let alone P-Zero....... Despite that only a 0.5s difference between them (I believe Porsche said they had a lap of 07:25 on PS4S during Micheline event)
As far as which car they comparing to, Cayman GTS 4.0 is more of C8 Z51 competitor, they are around same price (ignoring MSRP nonsense)
Edit: but Idea is not which is faster but which is better "driver's car", in which every test Cayman beat C8 not only this channel....... I can tell you drive both and you will be shocked how more engaging Cayman is..... Afterall Cayman is not here to beat records or win drag races, it's made to put smile on your face which makes it the better sports car!
@@TRX25EX I think you should check the Nurburgring ring time again for the GT4 (7:34), C8 (7:29), 992 S (7:30). Additionally, out of those three cars the GT4 was running CUP 2R tires. I'm sure you know what those tires bring to the table performance wise on a track: Regarding seat time I, have quite a bit in the 981 and 987, and now the C8 Stingray. Here's what get's me about this review, and many other's just like it on the internet. The testing criteria seems to focus on intangibles, i.e. "how it makes me feel, one with the car, ...etc". For years in my youth Porsche stood for performance, and bone crushing speed. These days it seems, and I could be wrong that a great number of people can't afford the GT4, or the new GT3, and use statements spelled out above as reasoning for purchasing a non performance orientated vehicle. I get it. Bottom line is this. The base Cayman on it's best day can't compete with the C8 Stingray Z51 on it's worst.
@@ronretired282 Stop making things up...... GT4 have officiall record lap of 07:28 with Cup 2 (non R) tyres + Manual (not even PDK)........ C8 nowhere near GT4 with PDK on track, 992 ran on P-Zero (non corsa) tyres also which alot worse than PS4S on C8...... Infact Porsche said in Michelin event they managed 07:25 with PS4S
@@TRX25EX Sir, it might be a good idea for you to inform the Nurburgring ring that their published results for these vehicles are incorrect. Let me show you what I'm talking about: The UNOFFICIAL time for the C7 Z06 at the ring is 7:10. The official posted time at the ring is 7:13. The official time is the only one that matters. Are you really trying to say; the time posted at a Porsche event is somehow the defacto Nurburgring ring time? Anyway, I digress. The purpose of this review was focused around the BASE CAYMAN VS the C8 STINGRAY W/Z51. Please tell me you are not really trying to place the Cayman in the same league as the Stingray.
I don't subscribe to a lot of channels. But after 5 videos I am a fan. Thank you gentleman for producing such wonderful content.
We take that as a huge compliment. Thank you fir being with us and enjoying what we do!
Very helpful vid while doing my covid sports car shopping. I am taking my time to make the right decision this time around.
A manual GT4. It's not in the same class but that car is sexy AF
The Corvette has had to come from some much further. It had to recreate itself to become the new C8. In doing so it elevated itself to a new level of performance and image. Just for that I have to choose the Corvette. Oh yes and plus it is a naturally asperated engine. Beast performance without a turbo charger. 2 thumbs up Chevrolet !!
When will season 9 be posted on Amazon Prime? Can't wait to watch the 90s halo cars comparison and missed it when it was live.
Pure pleasure to watch. Great job!
I've got an allocation for a 2022 base Cayman. Delivery in January. I wanted the experience of a Porsche.
You’ll love it! I’ve had my 911 for almost 3 years and I still get excited every time I drive it. Just remember these are sports cars not luxury cars!
Bill, so is the wait generally 3 months after ordering right now?
@@d.nakamura9579 Sorry for the late reply. It was closer to 6 months for me EDIT (after I received an allocation). I picked up the car late last month. Allocations are tough to come by. And to make matters worse, there was a fire on the Felicity Ace cargo ship and at least 1k Porsches were lost on the journey. The 718 is an amazing machine! Get your hands on one if you can.
Great Video Guys. Love your channel. I had the same trouble choosing my next car. It was between the C8 and the 718 GT4. ADM on both cars. 25k for the C8 and 10k for the GT4 here in so cal. It came down to quality of the build, driveablity and not to mention resell. Here in so cal where I live You'll see 5 or 6 new C8 everyday but I yet to see a GT4 on the road. I went with a 2021 Guards Red GT4 a little more money but I couldn't be happier with my choice.
You, my man , made the right decision, imo!
25k and 10k ADM and you get it right away or need to wait awhile?
Great comparison here and it really looks like you guys struggled with a winner. As much pride as we all have for the 'Vette the Porsche is a more driver-centric choice. As an Abarth 500 owner I always appreciate smaller and lighter, luxury to me is control and feel because I would gladly drive an F1 car to work if I could. I have to hand it to GM though, they know their customer so well and people like me usually don't choose the Corvette, that car is not made for us. They designed it specifically for it's previous clients but gave it a mid-engine layout because it was the logical next step, there was no where else to go with a front engine. They wanted to broaden their customer base to exotic buyers and they succeeded. Now, bring on the Z06 and change the minds of people like myself and prove to the world that American manufacturers are of equal value to Europe.
I have a 2021 base Boxster 718 with the four things I didn’t see on the Cayman as shown. Correct me if I’m wrong, but the Cayman tested didn’t have manual, PASM, Torque Vectoring, or the Sport Chrono package. All of these on my 718 make it that much more a drivers car. It is a great pleasure to drive, especially on curves in Sport + mode with the dampers tightened. If you guys get a chance, test the 718 with these engineering goodies. Also, you can build a base like I have with these options for
17:32 I think that Bighorn Sheep may have been my spirit animal. I have the same tan lines.
TMI....lol
That's a pretty dumb religion.
Speaking as an ex owner. Both cars don't sound great (stock, in cabin) unless you're into low tones (which OFC many of us are, I'm not). 981 cayman had such a high pitched, high strung glorious tone. That's why so many want to go back. Yes yes 718 still a great car objectively, but emotionally speaking it doesnt hit the spot once you've expeirence the previous cayman
Guys, you're killing it. Great comparo!!!
Are the GT1 seats more comfortable for daily driving than the GT2 seats assuming they are both in a 2LT? I'm considering the LT3 but I can't choose GT1 seats and if they are more comfortable that's more important to me.
Great video, but I would have went with a lightly spec Cayman S to compare it with. Great content as always though!
Richard, I think the GTS 4.0 or GT4.
@@ronretired282 Too expensive; not in the same price point
I agree on what you said about the sound of the four cylinder 718 compared to the six cylinder 981 or 987 generations, a lot of people are not too happy about it. That was one of the main reasons for me why I went with a 2011 Boxster Spyder that is not only about 170 lbs lighter than the standard Boxster, the cooler roof, mine is a manual, is very rare (less than 2,000 units built worldwide) but also has the glorious 3.4 liter six with 320hp. Still - the C8 is a gorgeous car!
And you can drop your top in the boxster for the win! 😀
Paul impersonating the Cayman at 7:11 was just hilariously precise! I'm laughing HARD at it! Genius!
This is sooo good!
Huge help to make a decision
Absolutely loved this comparison.
Thank you for watching!
Thank you for making this obvious comparison. People cross shop these cars and a lot of people don't make comparison videos with them.
Doofy, these two cars are usually never cross shopped. You probably meant a higher version of this vehicle. The GT4, 992, and 992 S can't keep up with the C8 Stingray at the Nurburgring. The base Cayman is not in the performance discussion.
@@ronretired282 probably the GTS 4.0 is. But that car starts at $87k.
@@ronretired282 I cross shop the the S with the C8 but the base model is not that far off in price to the base C8. Prices for used Caymans are increasing and C8 prices are staying static at MSRP.
@@D00FY Hi Doofy, You said a lot in your comment. I'm going to agree with iluvcakes. Probably a better comparison and for those cross shopping would be the GTS 4.0. Nice performance in both vehicles for track and street. According to a few of my Porsche buddies the 981 and 987 are there Cayman of choice for used cars. There are probably no more than 50 Chevy dealers that sell at MSRP. The rest are forcing people to pay $20-$50K over for the right to own a C8. Currently, the wait list for a C8 is 2023-2025. Crazy time we live in Doofy.
That center stack is soooo brilliant. I get that it is annoying at first but when you own and drive it for a month or so, it becomes absolutely intuitive. Like playing guitar or piano, you put your fingers exactly where they need to be to adjust as necessary.
Brilliant.
After your GT cars video I am eager to see a comparison between the GT4 RS and the C8 Z07 (just imagine the audio of that video 😍), but I still wished you had compared the GTS 4.0 against the Stingray.
I just had an epiphany. The reason some car enthusiasts think power is what makes a sports car has to do with geography. A lot of American car enthusiasts don't live on the west coast or in the Rockies, where a curvy back road is easily accessible. So for them, the way a sports car gives thrills is 90% acceleration: big boulevards or massive 6 lane highways, or from light to light. The torque and sounds and being the big guy on the road are what wins. I get it. But for Paul and Todd (and myself), a lightweight lower power car gives much more thrills when you exchange power for tossable handling and high grip around slow corners. Revving out a 300hp car is a thrill. If you've never experienced that, then the idea that a 450hp Corvette is worse than a 300hp 4cyl Porsche sounds absurd. But trust me, it isn't. It all depends on where and how you drive. (That said Porsches are not a great value when new. You are paying about 20k just for the prestige. Sucks, but that's how it is)
Welcome to Lotus-world :-). p.s. don't forget the wonderful Evora.
@@EvoraGT430 I've never driven a lotus but would love to. That new Emira looks awesome.
@@EvoraGT430 I'll see your Evora and raise you a Emira. Smile
This is very true and IMO is one of the reason muscle cars are popular in the south. They are simply better suited to the roads.
@@verdict1163 Lots of curvy roads in the south, even Texas.
I would not buy a 718 Cayman with the 4 cylinder engine but a Cayman GT4 or the last generation Cayman S in a heartbeat.
Mel, if memory serves I think the Cayman GT4 beat the C8 Stingray Z51 on the lightning lap. It lost on the Nurburgring to the Stingray but, so did the 992 S.
But a simple tune on the 4 banger turns it WAY up.
@@Dudeman9339 Power isn't the point though. I have a 981CS and yes a Golf R is a close match in a drag race...but nobody cares that the Golf R exists. The sound is a huge part of what turns an impressive car into an enjoyable one. I floor it because I want to hear the sound, not because I want to go faster.
To a non car person, the sound is what tells them it's not a cheap sports car- it's a supercar. It's not, and before I bought one I didn't think anyone thought that, but one of my neighbours thinks it's a £90k car and I'm not telling him otherwise ☺ Kids love seeing it rev past them, it's dramatic and exciting. The flat 4 is impressive but it just isn't desirable.
@@ApothecaryTerry couldn’t agree more-I own a focus st and when I got the chance to get a certified 981 cayman s I jumped all over it-give me the 6 cylinder-it FEELS so special compared to so many other sports cars-even v8s. I think the two best sounding engines in the under 100k sports car category are the 981 s and the mustang gt350z
@@jmsena The old Focus ST with the 5 cylinder sounds pretty tasty too ☺ We don't get the GT350 in the UK sadly so I've only seen them in videos, but the LC500 is my favourite sounding V8. If it wasn't for the fuel cost I'd be considering one of those as my next car.
We have a 718 boxster. Incredible car. May be a 4 banger, but it sounds great and has the perfect amount of power and handling.
I love two things: seeing my “backyard desert” in these films, and the fact that you always tell us what it’s like to be tall in these cars. I’m 6’4”, and not all cars fit me !
What’s the name of those roads and where was that filmed?!
Valley of Fire highway north east of Las Vegas.
@@Spikejou thanks so much!
Own both of these cars.... the C8 is superior in every aspect!
I have a c8 and the 4 pot 718 GTS. The Corvette is all around the better car especially on a high speed track.
Not true at all. The Porsche finish have always been on another level. This is a small 4cyl porsche compared to the best chev. Sure the 911 will be more expensive, but that have always been the case with the more exclusive porsche brand.
Except in looks. The C8 is hideous.
These guys do the best reviews hands down.
A nose-to-nose comparison between arch-rival sports cars with similar pricing and mission statements is as much a test of the insights of the journalists as it is of the cars. And these guys pull it off without feeling the need to show us how clever they are. Thanks for this!
Comparing each contender's ability to carry out both performance and daily driver functions, they call it like they see it, stating forthrightly where one dominated. Other testers tend to agree with these guys that the Cayman is the best mid-engine sports car on today's market. I prefer its restrained styling, its fingertip road feel, and its cushy ergonomics to the Vette's boy-racer styling, somewhat numb controls, poor exterior visibility, and cramped interior. For my tastes it is too "look at me" flash.
The Vette's supercar pretensions make a manual transmission redundant, but the Cayman was ordained by the gods to have a manual. From what I'm reading here, a manual Cayman could well be the best all-round sports car (NOT exotic) at any price.
And as for the Vette, its owner base will love it. The new model continues to be America's take on the sports car -- big, bold, and fast -- and its designers seem to have succeeded in transforming it to mid-engine configuration, upping its performance with plenty in reserve for faster versions to come along, while keeping its fantastic value for the dollar. I can see future versions of this Vette going after the GT3 and other exotics, its price rising accordingly, while the Cayman gets detail refinements only, as befitting its is status as Porsche's, and maybe the industry's, benchmark sports car.
I just saw chevydude selling a 2021 2LT C8 with the Z51 package for $109,985. That’s GTS 4.0 money, closing in on GT4 money. Great content, keep the comparisons coming!!!
Tony, the Corvette market is crazy right now. Chevy Dude worded for one of the Chevrolet franchises that sold their vehicles at MSRP. All that changed about a month ago.
@@ronretired282 This market is so crazy right now!!
Jim Ellis Chevrolet (Atlanta) is selling me my 2022 C8 Z51 with my options for $81K. Zero dealer markup.
@@B41L3Y nice! That’s what I’m saying though. No one is buying a 60K C8. Why not compare it to the flat 6 Cayman gts instead of the turbo 4 cyl
@@tonywilliams4302 I agree.
Sold my C8. Great car but just something I can’t explain…..I didn’t LOVE it Porsche is a bucket list for me and when the market becomes more favorable I’ll pull the trigger. Probably the 911.
Did you make money on the sale of your C8?
@@ronretired282 12k
@@petertamburro6578 Not bad Peter. Several guy's are making over $15K. I don't buy sport cars for resell but I, understand many will see an opportunity to make a dollar. Capitalism is good! My next toy is the C8 ZO6 or Lotus Emira in 2022. If, the C8 ZO6 is at MSRP $150K or less than I'm all in. If not. A Lotus will sit in my garage next year.
@@ronretired282 nothing to do with capitalism. Used cars are not worth more. The dollar is worth less and you can think Keynsian economists and the FED for printing 40% of the dollars to have ever existed, in the last 20 months.
You think the cars are worth more but what you're seeing is simply the devaluation of the dollar.
Great video, guys!
Great video! You guys are terrific!
Glad you found us and enjoyed this, Thank you!
Good video guys! I love my C8, but I value your opinions! I grew up with corvettes and muscle cars, so that 6.2 speaks to my soul. I also like to hit the track and the corvette is sublime there (in track alignment and a brake pad change). Its my working mans supercar and im sorry but, youll have to pry it from my cold dead hands!
Shaun, you made my day with those remarks. The C8 ZO6 or Emira will sit in my garage next year. If, my dealer wants more than MSRP than Lotus Emira will be my new toy.
the fact that they sell a 4cyl for 108k is a fucking SCAM and if you bought it sorry but you got conned.
@@ronretired282 lotus is nowhere near the corvette.
@@Rudenbehr Doesn't matter. The man wants what he wants, and you're not the one writing the check for the purchase.
@@strangerdanger8462 that's true, and the lotus is still nowhere near the corvette
Funny how it essentially just comes down to whether you prefer power or handling/feel. You didn't really mention the main demographics tho - the cars are largely designed around their buyers, if you think about it.
Well said!
Don't think so. These guys both enjoyed the power. The sum total on the Cayman's side outweigh the c8's.
I agree: Vette's historically are to been seen in, Porsche's are drivers cars. But to GM's credit, it has come a long way.
@@rolexomegaspecialist9411 For about the last 15 to 20 years? Chevrolet has turned out some incredible handling Corvettes. Only now, their taking the rest of the car just as seriously.
@@HoratioHoodoo That's their opinion. I like both. My opinion, C8. It just offers to much value for the price. A Cayman at that price, is a stripper. To the contrary, I did recently purchase a sports car based almost totally, on feel.
What highways (in Nevada?) was this filmed on?
Best commentary I've heard from you guys so far.
Glad you enjoyed this. Thanks for watching!
Gotta go Corvette all the way!!
After listening to this review it sounds like you have stock in Porsche. I can understand you might not have the space you need being over 6 foot tall. Not having the manual transmission is definitely a game changer for alot of people. As far as your opinion of the car having to much power, I can't agree! Before going out to Ron Fellows performance driving school I might have agreed with you, but now I believe you are always looking for more performance in a supercar! The c8 has alot more performance to offer than the Porsche! It has alot more space for trips and every day driving. You don't need too order alot of options to give it more performance, just the z51 and magnetic ride control!
they have been saying the same thing for years the porsche cayaman is always the best car like it can do no wrong. guess what it costs a lot to fix when it breaks down, its ugly af, the interior is from a vw beetle. It is slow AF. Oh but those thing don't matter the only thing that matters in fantasy land is how much of "drivers car" it is. oh yeah and straight line performance doesn't matter either base cayman 0-60 4.9 sec c8 2.9 sec c8 80% faster 0-60 hey that doesnt matter that the c8 is cheaper than the cayman tho hey those are just numbers they dont matter cars are about the experience. guess what geniuses 90% of the driving experience can be predicted by those number. I can look at the slalom and lateral g and know that if if a car is over 1.1 G gues what its gona handle better than a car that is .7G and that is gona give you more of a "drivers car experience". But you want to take us back to the age where we dont' measure those things. how bout we just dont even hava any performance metrics for cars make it illegal? because we dont live in the real world where cars cost money and need to be maintained.
@@dustovshio I 👍 agree!
Great episode! this show ROCKS!
Glad you enjoy what we do. Thank you for watching!
Had my C8 for 2 years haven’t needed the front lift yet. You just go slow the cars not that low.
Next test on same road: Dodge Ram, Bighorn Edition. Just kidding. Nice comparison! Keep up the great work.
Owning my C8 has been such a satisfying experience. It is a stunning car to look at. It handles like a dream and is fun as heck to drive. You want to pass someone? It is done. There is no discussion, resistance is futile.
Great video, but I wonder why not compare the cayman s or even the gts? Also no mention of the tech that comes on the c8 vs cayman... really c8 is superior in the tech and creature comforts I believe and that is a factor. Both fantastic cars, keep the great content coming.
Sam, I'm a big Corvette guy. These reviewers focused on different driving dynamics of these two vehicles. Track speed, drag race, new tech,...etc. was not part of this type of review. I think these reviewers missed a great opportunity to make a review of the Cayman vs. the Stingray (non Z51).
@@ronretired282 i agree, it was focused on driving dynamics but even the huge difference in 0-60 seemed to be somewhat left out of the calculation. Again, I love both corvettes and cayman and hope to own one of them soon.
The GTS 4.0 (or GT4) would be the best comparison to the C8 but the price would considerably favor the C8. The GTS 4.0 starts at $87k.
@@abefroman07 I agree. Not to mention the sound. These cars are on different planets in that respect and to me, that is a critical part of the experience.
hey if the cayman is such a great drivers car why don't they make a video to show which car wins around the track c8 or cayman. The cayman could lose by a mile and they would still say it was the better car. I swear theses videos are sponsored by porsche its like if speed, performance, value dont' matter I could make these videos and just have bicycle or skate board and say oh well this is more of a drivers car its a sublime experience skateboard wins. That pretty much sums up the level of bitch think in these videos.
This is so much fun, and also comparing to The Straight Pipes that picked the Corvette over the Boxster GTS 4.0 in their testing. I'm in Europe and over here the price parity is between the Z51 with mag ride or the GTS 4.0. The 4 cyl 718 Cayman with a manual gearbox is HALF the price of the C8 Z51 with mag ride, which is the only version being imported. The Boxster even less.
Great cars. If given the choice: Base Cayman vs. Base C8, I'd choose the C8. Cayman GT4 vs. C8, I'd choose the GT4. Cayman GT4 RS vs C8 Z06, I'd choose the Z06.
Should have compared the Cayman GTS 4.0. C8? C YA!!
It would have been a blow out then lol
True. The comparison in my humble opinion should had been any GT Porsche.
That "special" feeling is where I get hung up. I've driven both of these, and the sound of the 4 banger leaves a lot to be desired, while that chunky V8 sounds real nice. But more than that, or maybe because of that, you just FEEL like you're driving something special, a super car when you drive the C8. When you drive the 718 I feel like I'm just driving a new & more refined version of my 987. It doesn't make you feel special, they're a dime a dozen where I live, they go entirely unnoticed, including by the driver (until you get to the twisties, that is).
I think I'd go with the C8 between these 2, and that's b/c I don't live in the twisties, I daily drive my car and only go to the twisties like once a month or so. If I'm spending 80k, I want to spend 80k on a car that puts a smile on my face every time I start it up, that turns heads, and makes me feel like I'm driving something special. I don't want to spend 80k for the once a month I hit up the twisties, and get stuck with an 80k daily driver with kinda stiff suspension the other 29 days of the month. So that's where I get hung up, I feel like I'm spending it all on a daily driver and that I'm making a compromise. And with the front-lift in the vette, I'm able to get into my driveway FULLY PERPENDICULAR (no angle at all), meanwhile I need HARD angle on any Cayman to not tap the bumper, so from that perspective the C8 almost feels more usable in daily life, especially when you combine it with the mag ride.
So in summary, the vette has nicer suspension on imperfect roads, more ground clearance with the front-lift, better infotainment, makes you smile more when you hit the 'GO' pedal, is significantly faster, depreciates less, is more reliable, and gives you a feeling that you're driving something special. The Cayman gives you faster turn-in, better road feel, and a manual transmission. And as much as I love manuals, that nor the other 2 things are enough to pull me to the other camp on this one.
I will be replacing my 987 with something, and as much as I absolutely loved the Porsche experience (I def. see where Paul is coming from because the same sorta happened to me when I bought my Cayman), I believe it'll be replaced with a C8.
You’d love a C8. And we hope you noticed Todd’s discussion of specialness (or lack of it) here. Thanks for watching!
@@EverydayDriver Yup, he really hit the nail on the head with that bit - at least for me.
All good points.
I'm new to your channel so correct me if I'm wrong but I would love to see your take on the c8 convertible.
We drove one on our sister channel, Test Drive. Plus, we have an episode here where we drove it along side the LC500. We're fans of the convertible. Thanks for watching!
It means alot to hear a reply from you! My dream car is a Lamborghini, but, I have always wanted an American car company to build a mid engine car that could compete with anything Europe could offer. The C8 corvette is the answer to any European question. I will buy one, I don't care how long it takes, the corvette will always be my dream car!
Paul and Todd. You make me happier and happier about my recent 987.2 6spd CS purchase
That's a cool car, congrats. Thanks for watching!
987.2s are IMO THE Caymans to own.
That being said, vs the 718, I'd choose the C8 all day.
I don't care how good the driving dynamics in the Cayman are, I refuse to buy a car at that price range with a 4 cylinder.
Cayman GTS 4.0 all the way.
then get a GTS. It would cost the same as the corvette the tested.... They compared a more expensive vette vs a cheap Cayman and the cayman STILL won. Now Imagine a GTS that would cost the same but better
@@TotoGeenen very good point.
Or get new Emira even better than both
That is extremely unreliable and costly to repair.
“If you want a manual for transmission you’ll be buying the Cayman OK” Great let’s talk about the automatic” Absolutely hilarious
If you want a failure prone transmission then get the Chevrolet
@@pontiacGXPfan I’ve had the C8 for 2 years no failure prone transmission and it will blow the doors off a Cayman.
@@craigthescott5074 even the sun shines on a dog's ass some days
@@pontiacGXPfan yea that would be a Pontiac GXP dogs ass.
@@craigthescott5074 same Michigan trailer trash parents, same dismally run company
Watched it again and the part with the big horned sheep brought a smile to my face. Todd was cool about it, with a good sense of humor, saying that you don't watch it for cars, but for the wildlife. Have to say that there's some truth in that too. Didn't click on the video for the wildlife since I wasn't expecting to see any; I watch their videos for the cool cars and cool reviews. With that being said, once the sheep showed up, they sort of became the highlight of the video.
Anyone know where that road is? Probably somewhere in Nevada but where?
I treat the Cayman/Boxster as the next step up from a MX5. If you like driving on tight twisty roads, you likely wouldn't even consider the Corvette. Its too big and powerful. More of a muscle car.
@@philsalley3278 No I havn't. I live in Australia. The C8 isn't avaliable here yet (expecting to arrive here next year for about $110,000 USD for the 2LT). Even my 987.2 Cayman and the MX5 I have feel big on some of the roads I drive through in the hills here in Adelaide, SA. I wouldn't want something the size of a Mustang. It wouldn't be as fun to drive.
Miata, cayman, and now the new 86
@@jeffk464 Yeah I wasn't a fan of the BRZ/86. I owned one and was very unimpressed compared to the NC and ND MX5s I also owned at the time. That engine in the BRZ just felt horrible. Hopefully the new one is better. I was super excited to get it when they first came out (I remember going to the subaru and toyota dealers as soon as the first one arrived in Australia). Then I got one myself and was bitterly disappointed. Hearing the fake engine noise and seeing the uninspired styling of the new one hasn't got me very interested. But it should be far better dynamically, which is what's important.
how does going from front engine to mid engine make it any more of a better comparison to the cayman than the REAR engine 911? Like even before the change the better comparison was the cayman.
Gentlemen, once again you have produced a beautifully shot car review that is done in a logical mature (in a goodway) manner
Enjoyed the video. Good video and information. For someone in the market for my next sports car, the information is helpful. I still prefer the traditional manual. Thanks
I own a 991 Carrera and I would probably take the C8. I know I would never ever make the effort to wake up early on Sunday to go out and interact with another 4 cyl turbo.
You got that right !!!!!
C8 all the way. It's more comparable to the 911 than the Cayman / Boxster. Also, I think the C8 would be less costly on long term maintenance.
t. never driven either
911 is rear engined… so no.
Not really, every single test I saw so far Cayman won over C8, so how does it compare to 911 if it can't beat Cayman as driver's car? Btw if you looking at just numbers then Porsche is not for you
Edit; Drive both you will understand what makes Cayman special
PORSCHE There is no substitute.
Agreed Mr Draper!
what road/state are you driving in?
"Coming to the C8, I thought...with all of it's compromises and all of it's flaws...This can't possibly be a good car" Huh?? What are all these compromises and flaws you are referring to? Or better yet, what have you been smoking, Paul!??
Exactly. The C8 is a new concept
European journalism bias is too
Prevalent and so is the Porsche
Worship. The C8 is quicker all around
Keven, these 2 reviewers focused on intangibles vice metrics. How are a car makes me feel, one with the car,..etc. From their Zen like perspective a base Cayman beats any vehicle ever built.
@@WindyCity1992 These guy's are into Zen like attributes of this car i.e. how it makes me feel, and being one with the car. Track prowess and street credentials is not part of this review. What I find interesting is reviewers of Porsche vehicles similar to the 911 GT2RS, GT3,...etc. use no such qualifiers. 0-60, 1/4 mile, ring time are the metrics used for those cars.
@@ronretired282
There's no way i could pick this
Ugly overpriced car with its miata
Exterior and base model interior.
No way. The wheels are even base
I would agree I find no flaws in the C8 at all. Could have had a manual option but that’s it.