Primitive Weapons vs. Modern Body Armor
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could you test those fatass medieval javelin? i've always wanted to see how accurate are those scenes when the guy gets a spear to the chest and just fuckin flies backwards doing cartwheels
Disappointed.
What draw weight was that bow? Would something with the weight of a hunting bow be able to punch through it?
How long did you guys film in advance? It's like you haven't been wearing masks or keeping distance at all.
Guy awkwardly standing in the background while you two miss the target for like 10 minutes lol.
They effectively bypassed the armor, both shoulders and a headshot. That dummy is not gonna fight back soon!
pretty sure it was about an hour in real-time
This was a disappointment for an episode. For all intents and purposes, they didn't hit the armor at all.
@@shinji391 well not true it was hit with one arrow not at full draw and a ton of bullets lmao
I mean... perhaps the real lesson is that the partial protection isn't good enough
Next episode: Primitive Body Armor vs. Modern Weapons. We’re gonna see how well animal hide holds up to a .308
Lets see if a Knight would've stood a chance against a fucking Glock 20 shall we?
Atomic Axolotl “Parry this you filthy casual”
@@linus5242 10 Millimeter best millimeter.
Andrew Harvey hits bullet out of air with sword
Zulu hide shield vs 12.7x99mm
Never wear body armor near the modern rogue because they will hit everywhere but the armor
So then you should wear armour all around, so they'll never hit you.
They will indefinitely find a crack
Even when they are trying to hit the armour they are most likely to get a kill shot XD
"I'll call the cops... she said be safe"
Texas seems like a fun place
it is
Between the gun nuts and the suicide rate its almost 100% you'll die from getting shot there lmfao
Was coming to the contents to say something along these lines and sure enough, someone else beat me to it
They definitely need a more experienced person or people to test this. With professionals using longbows, spears, or obsidian/atlatl, and simple Roman projectile technology, this experiment might well have gone a lot differently.
A arrow can break bones.
It would of gone through the armor
@@stormflyer6574 as if a 9mm can't 🙄
Yeah the bow they used is a toy, let's see how 80 pound bow with proper heavy arrows works on that body armour.
Honestly. They only hit the armor once, with a really shitty / weak shot at an angle, which obviously bounced right off, and called it a day. Of course the arrow didn't penetrate; it was shot extremely poorly and was destined to fail. Even if the target had no armor that arrow wouldn't have done much damage.
Need to get the Hun back for it.
Took Archery in College, has the form of an 8 yr old with a slingshot
ty
right?
Do not compare Improperly using a bow to the awesome might of the slingshot
7:25 that's where i died
He did say he skipped a majority of classes
9:30
Kyle - *aims at head* “you want 1 more?”
Brian- “yeah in the chest”
Kyle- *aims at chest in disappointment*
I feel the guest guy got his finger caught in his zipper and just went with it the whole video
I'm pretty sure that's what gun guys do because they really want you to know they have a gun, so putting your hand on your belt draws attention to it
@@Connor-hl4fc yeah true! Hes a real stereotype, slightly overweight, khaki pants and sunglasses instantly makes you a militant professional for some reason
8 mins in, guest man barely said anything, just held his trousers and grinned.
@@DadBodDrumming lol so buttthurt
@@Connor-hl4fc its almost as if hes a security worker
If you look at a "primitive" bow such as the English Longbow, it's typical draw weight is between 80 and 150 pounds and has an effective range of 350 yards. If they tested with a bow of similar draw weight and at full draw I'd bet that it would go through the armor. I am not sure what weight their bow is however it does not look like they were drawing it fully either.
P.S. Brian and Jason, please do an episode on building a trebuchet, the superior siege weapon.
Fractal Nightmares looks a standard target shooting bow. The one I have has a 25 lb draw weight. So probably half the draw weight of a hunting bow.
or get the 200 lb warbow guy
r/trebuchetmemes brother
Nothing against Brian and Jason, but I'm not sure if they will be able to draw 80 to 150 pound bow and I'm afraid how they will hurt themselves trying to.
but what about dragons?
There was no power in the shot at 7:40. Its essentially the same as having thrown a bullet at it with your arm
You're not my real dad.
@@ModernRogue go to your room!
The Modern Rogue Yes I am. Go to you room Brandt
Brushwood needs some archery training, wouldn't you say?
and also like,,,,,,,even back in medieval times, bows weren't used to penetrate heavy armour. You'd still give it a shot just in case, but the only chance of dealing damage is if it glanced into an unprotected area, which is why loads of old armour has the v-shaped bar on the gorget, preventing arrows from being redirected into your jaw
I love the pro standing safely to the side... head hung in shame for Brian.
Kyle got that at home corona-cut
😂
I was looking to see if anyone else noticed that. Dude needs a fade on that monk cut.
im only in the comment section bc i went lookingfor this comment lmao
Looking like Carl Childers from sling blade.
This demonstrates a fatal flaw of body armor - the armor only provides protection for the area it covers.
It’s better than nothing and can you can get use to it easily. It’s not very healthy. Also it protects your vital organs
That isn't a fatal flaw... That's armor at work... It'd be like saying batteries having a fatal flaw of running out of power.
Y'all should get a crossbow, either a modern one or go full-on medieval and get a good replica war crossbow.
Imagine these two teaming up (most likely via conference call) with, oh say, Joerg Sprave.
They will absolutely make the most powerful crossbow known to man
Did Kyle's belt break? Is that why he's holding onto his trousers at all times? Srsly tho Kyle, mad props for keeping these two in line throwing stabbys around.
I think since he works security he just has a habit of a passive retention stance. Its the first thing i thought when I saw how he was standing
He’s holding a mini armoured plate over his dick in case anything goes astray 😂
Maybe he’s wearing/ used to wear a groin holster for a handgun!also: his crotch area seems very bulky - would explain that
His name should be Donald, because of how everyone is asking about his trousers.
@@jkob_k0452 bruh stop staring at his crotch
7:46 that was like not even half draw... or course it didn't penetrate
“I didn’t pull it back very far because I’m not good at archery” You don’t have to be good at archery to pull a 30-50 pound string. Also called the tip/head a blade. At least he hit it
Can we get a montage of MR guests nodding patiently while Brian and Jason crack jokes?
He definitely knew there wasn’t enough draw behind that shot and was just too polite to say anything.
3:11 The Dragon Skin armour was actually dropped by the military because the ceramic discs became dislodged after extreme temperature tests.
Brian and Jason would make great stormtroopers
😂
13 minute video of you knuckle heads missing the target and then declaring the body armor works bc you hit it with 1 arrow at half draw
Moreover, why would they not bring more arrows? Limiting themselves like that, with their given skill levels, will naturally lead to underwhelming results. If they had more, they might have made more attempts and gotten some proper hits in, but as it stands I'm not really impressed with this one.
Ain't nobody stealing his belt buckle!
When the second arrow hit the other shoulder my mind jumped to The Holy Grail and the Black Knight. ‘‘Tis but a scratch!
Broad heads can beat 3a soft body armor. Donut Operator beat it with a 70lb compound bow and a 4 blade broad head. If you use a 2 blade broad head with a 35lb bow might be able to beat level 3a soft armor.
I love how he lines up for his last shot and when Brian says right in the chest he gently lowers his aim to the chest instead of the head
Perfect video of two guys missing the target not showing anything, only maniacally laughing...
I love how, while under quarantine, Jason home-ordered a blade specifically designed for skinning carcasses while hunting. Can we get an episode about how to field dress a rabbit or deer?
Murphy's 2 known weaknesses:
1. Knives
2. Roller blades
Glad the episode came out well. Let me know if you want additional gear to test out. I may be able to send helmets.
Why is Wide-Stance Mcgee just chilling silently in the background the whole time
Jason's second shot perfectly illustrates the shortcomings of stabvests
I wonder how many of these instructors walk away from the compound going " yeah, those guys were funny, I had a good time" versus " Wow, what a couple of chuckleheads, I just wasted an afternoon." Regardless, I enjoy the content!
9:21 My man's tea-cupping pretty bad here, what's up with that?
what’s tea-cupping?
I was about to post the same thing. Military/Security my ass!
Gabe Sewell his support hand being under his firing hand, instead of over it
@@gabewrsewell
It's bad form 101.
Dude thats exactly what i thought and i dont even shoot firearms just watch military arms and iraq veteren lmao...
Ya’ll need to collab with Demolition Ranch
Do Hickok45, his politics are way less annoying
@@JBBost Hickok is a fudd, though.
@@JBBost ? When did demo ranch talk about politics? I wanna see that
Don’t tell Mere
@@JBBost lmao hikoks politics inadvertently suppresses the second amendment
Now give an actual archer with a 40lbs recurve and normal arrow heads a shot at this. My bet is that the point comes sticking out the back-end.
And then do the same with a compound bow. That arrow'll continue flying after hitting Dave.
That's sounding considerably less "primitive" than we were aiming for.
@@ModernRogue True, very true. And it's still very entertaining. If I wanted an in-depth analysis of cold weapons vs armour I'd probably rewatch Todd's Workshops videos on long- & warbows vs gambeson, chainmail & plate. I watch Modern Rogue to watch some funny shenanigans where two guys (man-children ;)) run around with sharp objects to keep us safe from the alien invasion. So you very much delivered!
@@ModernRogue Well you're using modern broadheads, so you've already failed in that regard.
I like that they definitely found the BEST solution for primitive weapons attacking targets with armor, and that's to hit the target everywhere except where the armor is.. Face, shoulders, etc. lol
What's the draw weight of the bow because i recon a 60lb or 70lb bow could do quite a bit more damage
Andrew Worman a 130lb longbow would do even more but I don’t see them drawing a 70lb or even 60 without some practice.
@@thelincolnrepairguy1826 i would agree but they could get someone in with the capability to draw a higer poundage bow
The Lincoln repair Guy I didn’t see them draw that thing at all. There was no power behind that shot
@@thelincolnrepairguy1826 Fuck that. Just whip out the nearly 200lbs bows or something.
i mean when you only hit it with one of two weapons being tested . and only half drawn and on the lip of the armor.... did you really test anything ?
I think you have our channel confused for another one.
@@ModernRogue Underrated comment
I'd like to see an episode with Joerg Sprave from the slingshot channel. He can teach you how to build your own auto-repeating crossbow or something. You'd have to fly him over from Germany once this whole lockdown thing blows over.
the laugh at 9:36 assures me that Brian and Jason is the living embodiment of Beavis and Butt-head
9:35 their giggle when the target got shot in the chest just made me think that these guys are like beavis and butthead if they were a diy channel
"doesn't look like Arnold..." Then you hire the guy that wears the chain mail.
I don't think the guest trusts his belt can hold up his stomach.
Noones gonna talk about the guys sick fade
Demolition Ranch already did it... but without the Brian and Jason shenanigans, love this channel!
Different results too
They need to do a collaboration!
_The History of Warfare explained in thirteen minutes._
my step dad told me stories from when he was a British paratrooper, and in weapons training a drill sergeant used an arrow vs a bullet on a block of lead, where the bullet crumpled but the arrow cut almost right through
Wouldve been good to know what caliber he was shooting because if that was a 9MM then the vest was defective plain and simple.
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After creating my new channel, I sadly forgot about these guys. Randomly, I just remembered them and decided to catch up! I really missed this, and glad to see they made it even further past 1 Million subs!
The more violent the episode the more Jason and Brian act like Beavis and Butthead
Accurate.
I was half expecting your daughter to be in this video with you too Bryan. Lol
that teacupping tho
As someone who loves spears, knives, archery, guns, safety 😆, and hammocks, I thoroughly enjoyed this video! Thank you!
Love you guys best channel on youtube needs to be picked up by netflix!
why does this guy they found have the most boot barracks cut I've ever seen?
Dragon skin wasn’t dropped because it wasn’t stab-proof. Dragon skin was dropped because it couldn’t withstand combat conditions. Under rough treatment the adhesive would fail and the scales would fall out of place and leave vitals unprotected. It was also almost 50% heavier than the IOTV that it was competing with. The chances of being stabbed in modern combat is basically zero.
Guy recited an urban legend and claimed to be a security expert, held a gun about like a 60s era cop would have, with a stance just as out of place as everything else. Dude’s duping them.
Modern rogue preparing us for the rest of 2020
So the armour that's for bullets and not pointy or bladed things will have a razor arrow bounce off of it but bullets will (sometimes) go through it?
Congratulations, both of you just passed the stormtropper exam!
That Dragon scale armor just needed a cut proof mesh over it. It doesnt need to be a very tight weave, just enough to catch a blade
Why couldn't it just.. Segment upward like lamellar? I don't know how it's constructed, but I'm guessing it's where the scales overlap downwards which isn't a good idea.
Have you considered doing an introduction to guns? I'm in an area with strong restrictions on guns and I feel very lost when something I'm watching brings them up.
They did do an episode where they were taught to shoot. As a brit, I know how you feel tho
I can confirm he is indeed a combat veteran.
We were deployed together at the seige of white castle.
Y’all are awesome! Keep it up!
Now I wanna see an actual test of a bow vs armor
Next episode: Primitive Armor vs. Modern Weapons. Testing a .22LR against scale-layered leather and steel plating of Samurai-style armor up to full-on Knight's armor with ring mail covered with steel plates.
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Loved the teaser at the end for the next part in the science man vs grandpapants Murphy series
Can u guys make an arrow proof shield cuz I’m really interested in how you guys would execute it
Next episode: How to fade your own hair!
Jason's posture with that bow was... something
Dude wanted a headshot so bad lol he raised to it and all.
I know lol, and then Brian said in the chest and he sadly lowered it and clipped him in the chest.
@@Confluence358 yes! Glad I was not the only one who saw it! It was extra funny because he said "you want one more" as he raised it and smirked, then Bryan said "Yes, shoot him in the chest"... His disappointment was palpable lol
@@Kingkong22335 Sometimes, you just really want to show off your Mozambique Drill on a nameless and armless opponent.
What draw weight was that bow at those 18 sorry inches you drew it?
Great vid so far keep it up
The things I’d do to see demolition ranch and modern rogue collaborate
You guys should totally try real midevil weapons against either modern armor or chain mail and maybe some modern weapons against real properly made chain mail
I require more videos like this
I almost died laughing when Jason hit the other arm!! 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
These guys deserve more subscribers! They are too good!!
Damn you can that their guests got the quarantine cut 🤣
I'm getting flashbacks to Ace Ventura 2 here.
Same, Instant flashbacks!
Awesome video guys!
Love the bit at the end, cant wait for the final episode of the rogue hunt!
Ive been using bespoke post fir a couple months and I got HEAVY modern rogue vibes, i was just waiting for you guys to get sponsored
That ace ventura with the bow! Lol!
Man I am excited to see what comes out during the summer
They showed how effective it was against body armor by showing how the best way to beat armor is to not shoot where they’re planning on being shot.
The way Brian says "Kyle..." at 9:00 is like if his asking his dad if he can use a knife.
Jason: I love getting knifes in the mail.
Me *with the three knifes I bought of of Amazon during quarantine.*: same
3:25 If you lay out the scales in a very specific pattern it's actually impossible to stab underneath them
The other guy is just standing there going, ‘what the hell……’
I am an American who did a 2 week study abroad in the UK with a class. We had a lecture from a British cop. When he started talking about their body armor, he said it was stab proof.
We then asked if it was bullet proof?
He responded with I think so, but excitedly said, but it's stab proof! Apparently at the time London had a bit of a stabbing problem.
Loved the episode, but the power behind that shot is lacking. Most recurve bows are rated for their given weight - usually at least 40lbs for a typical archer - at a specific draw length. As the name suggests, that's how far your draw the arrow back and is usually around 28 inches. My teacher's rule of thumb was that for every inch less it loses about 3lb and for every inch further back it gains about 3lb of force. That was for my 45lb bow anyway. If your bow is rated to a similar strength, then I'd estimate it probably hit with 20lbs of force tops. Which might not be fun with skin, but any additional layers would stop it cold like we saw here. Cool episode, but that part could use some work.
If the game was hit the dummy but miss the vest, you guys are winners.
Impressive soldier! You hit the target everywhere except the body armour.
Please team up with Matt from Demolition Ranch. He also lives in Texas
I love how, when Brian says "right on the chest", Kyle lowers his aim. Presumably aiming for the head beforehand.
As someone who has spent countless hours practicing throwing an atlatl, my biggest tip is work on your follow through. You’re stopping halfway through and it’s sending the tip straight downward.
Fun fact of the day! The knife that Jason received looks like a Damascus blade (aka Valyrian Steel), also known as pattern welded steel! It's made by forge welding multiple pieces of steel with alternating carbon content! Very beautiful! I would LOVE to see y'all work with Matt and Ilya from That Works on a blade! I'd subscribe for a chance to get that blade alone! Great content guys!