Ben 10 is stronger than I thought
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Fun fact ben has a photographic memory that's why he picks up fighting off video games. He used it for other things as well and considering he has been omnipotent multiple times that means his photographic memory has experienced the entire universe casually
I didn’t know that thanks @RedTheWeeb
So for all intents and purposes Ben knows what everyone in the world looks like naked. Got it
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The spot from marvel spider man cross the spider verse version near the end of the movie
The point of the Omnitrix wasn't to use the powers of the aliens to fight, but to create a common point between species. A sort of ultimate diplomat, who can at any point take the form of any species to literally be in their shoes. There's no point in having a slower speedster if the original goal is just fighting, but if the goal is to just *be* that other alien that's a completely different context.
Sort of like the Avatar right?
@@slowpoke_ra multiversal avatar, yes.
And the Omnitrix was also meant to be a DNA savespace.
If any species goes extinct Ben can just revive it via cloning. And if a species is ever endangered enough to the point that any repopulation happening results in incest/genetic problems, the omnitrix can just repair and randomise the DNA of an entire species so they are healthy and genetically varied again.
@@yamato9753yeah I think cannobolt and diamondheads planets were destroyed
yep ben ha like 5 different alien all having various levels of electric power nobody complains about that
@@anastasija6866 yeah but i don't think ben ever did anything to revive cannonbolt's species and he used the crystal to revive diamond head's spieces not the omnitrix i wish that in the finale they use omnitrix database to spread the dna of different species around the universe
Another cool thing the Omnitrix does is that it turns the user into a Genetically and Physically Perfect version of the Alien they turn into. So when Ben becomes Four Arms, he is the physically strongest male version of that species, at least physically strongest for the age he is at. So 10 year old Ben is the Strongest Male, 10 year old Tetramen
The thing about four arms that's bonkers Is for Tetramands (his race) the females are the stronger but ben still is the strongest we see
@@Loldino897 I know, lol. He managed to beat the physically strongest Tetramand in existence, the Princess/Queen, despite the genetics supposedly being in her favor
It's never really confirmed how Ben's age matches up to his aliens. We know that XLR8s species only lives for hours(days?). I believe Ben's age relative to average human lifespan is changed to be the same ratio to the aliens lifespan. So if the average life of a human was 80 years, and 10 year old Ben turned into a species which live 8000 years, he might be a 1000 year old member of said species.
@@duskgaming18 I think the easiest way to reconcile that is to suggest that while she may be the strongest, she's not the strongest she has the *potential* to become, but Ben's form surpasses her current strength.
@@BreadOnInternet We do have some clues from the fountain of youth episode and how that affected his transformations, but I think that really just added more confusion to the whole thing.
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Actually, there is. There are several sorting features in the Omnitrix; for one, Aliens are sorted in groups of 10, hence why Ben starts with 10 at the start of both the OG series and Alien Force, and on top of being organized in groups of 10, there is yes also a Voice Command feature which Ben unlocks on accident in the OG series and is later given authorization for in Alien Force.
On top of a Voice Command, there is also a Master Control which allows Ben to transform into an alien *just by thinking* about it.
And on top of THAT, the Omnitrix also automatically selects the best alien for any situation even if Ben wasnt thinking of it because PLOT ARMOR
That's only "cannon" in the 5years later timeline
except ben can only transform via thought using the master control and im pretty sure he never unlocks it permanently which is why most of the time the omnitrix chooses the transformation
@@allesineen1793 thats a valid discussion. On the last episode ben says it, but we dont knows if he really know what is he talking about. And, of course, it only happens in death cases or when he activates the random mode, he can still choose his aliens.
@@dyslexicelf9380Azmuth did tease he would give Ben access to Master Control on his 18th birthday, but we don't get to see Ben turn 18 in the show to see if Azmuth was being serious. I'm also not looking at Ben's future versions simply because they're inconsistent and could easily change into a different future version.
@@Space_Gojira yeah i was talking about the ben we follow through the show
Realistically speaking, superman and Ben would just talk, while Goku upon seeing Ben's Saiyan form would want to train him so they can spar
Hahahaha so true
Exactly following there on source materials of there contents of character it would go Exactly like that . However if both are lied to and told the other is evil or if both are bloodlusted ben wins because of his insane hacks abilities. Ben's powers have been slept on for years because oh well kids show but I'm glad people start to realise his true power
goku would 100% let ben scan him
If they ever did fight, and for whatever reason Ben does end up losing, Goku would 1000% let Ben live because he knows Ben would be a great fight later in life and also because Goku would probably tell that Ben isn't an evil guy.
@@Space_GojiraBen would lose due to not having any Super Saiyan transformations. Those are activated events that are not tailored to the genetics of Saiyans, meaning Ben would need his own events of the transformations to be able to use them. And while Trunks and Goten make it look easy, Trunks's father is Vegeta, he absolutely experienced the anger to go Super Saiyan once he was strong enough, and Goten first achieved it because Chi Chi forced him to fight her, which did the same thing.
To answer the speed blitz question, the omnitrix has a reaction time of 40x10^140 (roughly) SoL. That was before the omnitrix was stuck in a timeless state and got upgraded to work without time.
huh that's true the omnitrix worked on the contamelia or whatever alien ship that existed without time
@@danielchong3365 I was talking about the… I believe mad Ben episode where Maltruant freezes the Bens’ omnitrixes in time and dr. Psychobose had to alter them. Because even places “outside time and space” have time and space it’s just different then our time and space.
Fun fact: if Ben is ever in danger, it will quickly transform him into whatever alien that would help the most
ah yes, the omnitrix' oh shit feature
Wait what did he actually need the sword to be the most powerful in the multiverse so yeah no he's not the actual most powerful in the multiverse he's the second i have no idea who the first one is
@@hybridvenom9 an older alien x
@@oeynfrysdniydizsuhfisy1501 i was talking about other shows what the fuck
@@oeynfrysdniydizsuhfisy1501 *younger. Younger celsticapiens (aline x) do not have the drawback of all the personas to be agreeing for using their powers. Older alien X's on the other hand have to deal with a lot of arguing even for tasks like walking 2 steps
You got the point exactly. In an out of character bloodlusted fight to the death, Ben wins. In a more “realistic” scenario, Ben holds back constantly. He’ll lose, sure, but he never really tried to win.
Correct
Yeah I think if the context is a friendly spar or even tournament, Ben wouldn’t want to be cheating so he would try to win without Alien X. Honestly if the other two allow it, they would probably let him scan them and use their powers. I don’t think the Saiyan DNA will be useful unless it makes him stronger than Broly.
@@anthonynguyen1289 Well, im pretty sure he becomes a 'prime' member of that species, so he would be the STRONGEST a Saiyan could possibly get without god ki. Plus, actually, the ultimate thing would be extra effective on Saiyan DNA, because zenkai boost.
@@anthonynguyen1289it turns him into the prime example of a species, so yeah it actually would do that.
Well both Superman and Goku won't be bloodlusted ever, like Ben. But in an extra scenario where they're blood lusted, then Ben should be too...right
As a fan of all three characters, Ben wins with Alien X but that's obvious to say, without him he only has a chance to beat them, I know a lot about Ben but I'm no power scaler but this is how I see it
It depends on what version of Superman you use. Alien X Ben could definitely beat Goku, but there are a few versions of Superman that would easily beat Alien X.
It depends on the superman
Yeah I agree I grew up with all 3 (dbz, dc, ben 10) and ben solos goku and most superman versions (there are some superman versions that win)
Yup, also grew up with all 3 but Ben is clearly the winner
@@newgoog9423how should any version of superman defeat Alien X? He's basically a god and can bend reality how he wants. I'm not that familiar with DC, so I would like to know, which version cozld do anything about it?
Not mentioned in the video, ben also has an alien who is capable of creating potentially any element combination, including kryptonite.
Good ol’ Gutrot, he gets overlooked too often. And technically you could argue he could make gold kryptonite
@@seanstaton6850 Anything but the pink kryptonite.
@@KhanhNguyen-mh5ec We don't talk about the pink one.
@@Neon-sq9tk we forget about the pink kryptonite.
@@artsycosmie887...pink never existed and never will...
Fun fact: To'kustar as a Species is inspired off of Japanese shows usually with Transforming heroes like ULTRAMAN which Ben's To'kustar form Way Big is actually based on
Oh thats why Way Big can shoot lasers with that rad pose! Thats so awesome!
The time out feature also is based on ULTRAMAN
The name is also a reference to "Tokusatau" wich is the genera of Japanese special effects, usually referring to men in suits
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Correct
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Ultimate Way Big is also based on another version of ULTRAMAN
One of Ben's aliens, can make aby kind of gas, so say he's fighting Sups, and he dosent want to use X.
He can turn into that alien, and make kryptonite gas
Sups and X lmao
Yeah no
@@l0sts0ul89 how no?
@@CormDaCrow because 1) Superman isn't stupid enough to just sit there and breath in his weakness 2) he can just laser the Kryptonite 3) Ben doesn't know wtf Kryptonite even is.
@@l0sts0ul89 Ben once made a love pheromone for a bunch of mutant Tuko Stars, a species he'd only encountered once before. Also I'm talking about a non serious fight setting. If he wanted to kill him he'd just use Alien X
Man, Ben 10 is a slept on super hero. I’ve always loved the premise and how the powers of the omnitrix work, but also I’ve not watched most of the extended series’. The Omnitrix is basically the ultimate childhood playtime fantasy of “You didn’t actually shoot me because I have super speed and I’m invincible and super strong” turned into a super power and tuned to be actually engaging and entertaining. It’s wild. And I have to agree with the video honestly. Ben is too flexible and adaptable to be beaten by Goku, who is a master battle strategist but also not someone who would want to win if his opponent wasn’t going all out, and Superman just has too hard a limit on his max strength and too explicit a weakness to be able to outperform Ben at his strongest.
The thing about Ben being able turn super saiyan means the omintrix would probably turn into a legendary super saiyan which remember Broly in Super was more powerful than blue and God. Ultimate would turn him probably legendary ssj 3 or 4 which would be even more ridiculously strong.
Doubt he would turn Legendary since that’s a mutation. I’m also not sure if a Saiyan Ben could even turn Super Saiyan, at least not without time to practice.
An Ultimate Saiyan (or ultimate version of any DB race, really) could be insanely OP. Imagine a Saiyan spending millions of years in a worst-case war scenario, they’d be cracked.
@ghengiroo4143 the Omnitrix turns Ben into a Prime version of the Race he scans. Relative to his age. So if he scanned Goku at age 10 he'd be the peak of a Saiyan at Age 10. If its 15/16 year old Ben then the DNA is a Peak 16 Year Old Saiyan. Which honestly might be Broly. We don't know. As for having SSJ. If Goten and Trunks can unlock it like that not to mention Caulifla then who's to say Ben wouldn't have SSJ1 or even 2 given Caulifla transformed in seconds. Or he could even be revealed that Broly be it Super or Z is the Peak of a Saiyan so he does have Legendary. We don't know cause for full Blooded Saiyans we have only 3. Goku, Vegeta, and Broly.
@@2495781 the reason why I don’t think Ben could have any of Broly’s power is because Broly isn’t a normal Saiyan. It’s implied that Ben’s aliens don’t account for any mutations, enhancements or otherwise abnormal circumstances, like how Clockwork upgraded by Techno-Bubble was easily overwhelmed by Maltruant. This makes sense in-universe since one of the reasons the Omnitrix was created was as a DNA bank of sorts. Having the DNA stored be abnormal wouldn’t really make sense.
@@ghengiroo4143true but that feature can be disabled allowing him to be able to turn into a mutated or enhanced version of the species
@@plotarmor5600See this comes with one major flaw, would he be able to realize he was going to explode if he didn’t let the power out. it is stated lssj makes you explode if you do not output enough power. Also would it be z broly or super broly? because if it’s super broly than ignore my statement
Goku giving Cell a Senzu Bean wasn't actually that dumb of an idea when you realize what Goku was trying to do. He specifically wanted Gohan to get strong and reach Super Saiyan 2 but there's no way he would do that if he fought a weakend Cell
And it barely ended up mattering in the end so it was still pretty stupid. Had Gohan not gone ssj 2 they would have all been screwed.
But Goku would of still been able to beat Cell... It was still a stupid decision
@@magmaspacer1967 I think this was Goku just flexing on Cell, like
''Yeah my son is so strong he is going to beat your ass even when you are healed''
@@jesusramirezromo2037 no he would not? He said he was at his limit and he knew Cell was holding back
@@beegyoshi800 Pretty sure they later retconed it, and said Goku already knew how to turn SSJ2 since the training in the time chamber, and just wanted to make sure that Gohan could protect the earth in the event he's not there
Ben can only get access to those 1 million aliens when he has the Master Control that allows him to transform just by thinking of the alien or through voice command. Without it, he only has access to those that are unlocked
Except if he doesn’t know what those aliens are or what they look like he can’t transform into them via master control anyway so it’s redundant
@itsturniptime3699 he became the blue lizard with master control without ever seeing it
@@tfordham13he's seen articguana before; he saw it from Ben 10,000.
@@anidiot192 talking about in ben 10k 10k never saw it before yet he became it
@@tfordham13 are you saying this about the original Ben 10,000 or the Ben 10,000 that's actually called Ben 10k? Because I don't remember Ben 10k ever using articguana (although he would have him unlocked, and I don't think the biomnitrix has master control) and the original just outright unlocked all of his aliens he just stopped naming them. Also for every Ben 10,000 after the original, they would've met the original because they were just Ben from the future, but the timeline would change each time (so Ben 10k would've met the original Ben 10,000 and Ultimite Ben)
Ben could use Echo Echo to do the Super saiyan god ritual on himself if we go off the UA episode "duped" (Ben turns into echo echo and then 3 of himself)
inb4 people come and say it was an Ultimatrix glitch, no it wasn't it was real
Then he could make infinite clones of himself in super saiyan god mode and then turn them all ultimate so it would be infinity vs 1 or 2 if Superman and goku are fighting together
@@SchloopytooberCan 1 mil god goku hit mui goku is the question, because mui is perfect dodging. So the only thing is would the ssg ben clones be able to hit something that can’t be hit
@@Bengt2509 Jiren literally hit and grabbed MUI Goku, Stop with this "Can't be hit by anything" nonsense, MUI just makes it so his body dodges on its own without him needing to think, If someone faster than him attacks him or if he gets attacked from literally every direction leaving no space for dodging or if he gets grabbed like what Jiren did to him then he is getting hit no matter what. Its not "Auto-dodge literally anything" its "Auto-dodge anything you can dodge normally but with your body doing it on its own."
Would the ritual even work if the 6 Saiyans are the exact same? Like it's in the same realm of saying "Would 6 Gokus from different timelines be able to perform the ritual?"
When it comes to choosing which alien to become, Ben is a lot like Ash Ketchum. Whichever one he’s favoring at the moment or in the current series is the one he tries to go with. However, throughout most of the series, the omnitrix would instead seemingly choose randomly, and this would be amongst the 10 or so featured aliens for that season or series.
Ben's ultimate Saiyan would probably be closer to Broly since he's now canon in super and was able to handle goku and vegeta in blue effortless
But that’s a mutation, not peak possible dna
@@Bengt2509 that's what evolving is my guy
@@TopOfAllWorldsit’s not an evolution, because no other saiyan (from u7, because kale is broly u6 counterpart) has it. That’s like saying frieza is an evolution despite him being the only of his race to be a mutant, and i’m pretty sure kuriza (frieza’s non canon child) isn’t a mutant
@@Bengt2509 what do you think evolution is? You think the dinosaurs just woke up and said hey my kids gonna be a chicken when it hatches.
It starts with one or two mutations and if its the stronger genetics it will carry on and become more prominent in the species, so broly was the first of this mutation/evolution and any potential kids he has would also be legendary super sayains.
@@Bengt2509Part of evolving is mutations my guy😂
Celestial sapiens batles be like:
Alien x 1: * Think *
Alien x 2: * Think *
Alien x 1: * *Think harder* *
😂
yeah no that's not how it works 🤣
The "level" of "omnipotence" is equal for all Celestial Sapiens so thinking harder and harder wouldn't really do anything.
It just wouldn't work on another Celestial Sapien.
So all they can do is fist fights.
That's why ben was fist-fighting the gladiator.
If Ben with the Ultimatrix gets access to Kryptonian and Saiyan DNA, he would be way too powerful.
Like Goku and Vegetta have been training non stop for years and already have uber powerful ammounts of strenght, now imagine the same process being repeated for millions of years.
And with Kryptonian DNA he pretty much becomes doomsday.
Oh god, that is a terrifying prospect
Ben would become DBS Broly because Broly is the prime for Saiyans, and then go ultimate
@@mohammadmurie The ultimate would probably end up around that level, since it's feasible that enough mutations on suge a Large timespan would eventually give a similar result.
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@@mohammadmuriebut broly only trained for like 20 years and he didn’t rlly train he just kinda lived on a unforgiving planet for most of his life. The Omnitrix always turns Ben into the prime of any species he turns into which means maybe he would have even more potential then broly. And with the ultimatrix, putting the best possible version of a saiyan through intense life threatening training for a million years. His base form might just be stronger then super saiyan blue since we saw base form broly be stronger then super saiyan god.
Clockwork has almost free reign when it comes to his time manipulation
The fun thing about the Ultimatrix is the nature of evolution: you Can just keep evolving over and over
Pretty sure the Ultimatrix can only run the simulation once for every alien.
@@CassiusStelarcreator statements say otherwise [go to the ultimatrix page on the ben 10 wiki, you'll see what I'm talking about through the sources]
@@LiMe251 coulda just copy pasted the quote fam "The Evolutionary Function can be used on the Ultimate Forms themselves a seemingly infinite amount of times, allowing them to evolve even further to adapt to the situation around them."
But also it drains the battery
@@CassiusStelarbut as we’ve seen in the show, getting master mode on the ultimatrix is pretty easy so Ben could just turn into gray matter or brain storm and hack the ultimatrix and get master control. And since master control lets u stay as any alien u want for as long as u want he could stay as a one billion evolved alien for however long he wants. And if all else fails, Alien X
@@Schloopytooberdidn t 18 year old ben get master control? Also hacking omnitrix is a BAD idea
One thing about Ben we never saw was that Alien-X wasn't even his strongest alien. It was confirmed by the creators that Ben was supposed to have 2 other aliens that are much stronger than Alien-X but unfortunately it ended and we never got to see those transformations
I wonder what that Alien was supposed to look like?
Maybe some sort of Lovecraftian Alien with some Cosmic-ish designs like Alien X?
why does everyone keep saying this? it was said way before Alien X's re-appearance in Ultimate Alien and in that episode, it was confirmed that Alien X IS THE STRONGEST ALIEN THAT BEN HAS
@theamazingspooderman2697 But the writers also said other Aliens were stronger than him. Maybe the other ones aren't even alien, and that's why they said Alien X was the strongest onr
@@theamazingspooderman2697 Cause it was literally confirmed by the creator lmao. These aliens were meant to come out later on but the series never happened.
@@Foxlet116 u didn't read my comment, it was said before that one episode in UA, after that Alien X was the strongest alien
I’m going to say right now…
Saying that Ben loses to a blood lusted superman is the dumbest argument I’ve heard today.
It’s just ignoring information to cherry pick your ideal situation, basically saying “if superman saw the omnitrix and lasered it of in the first microsecond while ignoring the failsafes he wins.” But why on earth would superman look at a teenager with a cool watch and decide to evaporated his atoms?
Same with goku, he would let Ben use his powers since he likes fighting people at their strongest, so why would anything else make sense???
PS: this is the same argument that people use for the billion lions vs Pokémon, ether you follow the Pokédex and have machamps that can move mountains, the anime where the gods are actual gods, or the games where you have powered up spread moves that hit all the lions, you can’t pick which rules you follow and which ones you don’t
well to be fair it depends on the superman as there are some that win some that get crushed easily
yeah I like powerscaling but I don't like that a lot of fights just start with their strongest attacks or forms, the fights should start with a friendly talk fight and then proceed gradually to higher levels
@@asuraofwrath I’m not actually arguing against superman I am arguing against the logic, without master control if Ben got timed out superman CAN win (I personally don’t think he can win, but that’s something else) but arguing that he uses a solar flare before he even knows what the omnitrix is doesn’t make sense, this also works inversely so Ben can’t use atomix to blast superman with kryptenite radiation
TLDR superman using all his skills against someone he doesn’t know at all makes no sense
@@tyronecrossman5014 You mean Gutrot and his kryptonite gas ala Luthor? And second yeah, depends if the DC universe is a thing in Ben's world. If it is, then Ben would have known to turn to Gurot and cook up Kryptonite
@@asuraofwrathSame with goku now that xenoverse and dbh are canon to db history due to DBZ Kakarot.
Fun fact, Super Saiyan has now been understood as a biological phenomenon cause by saiyans activating special cells in their bodies call S-Cells. This of course is much easier to do in states of high emotional stress but also when being conceived by a saiyan who has activated their s-cells to a high level making it easier for new generatio nsaiyans to super up. This is shown in how Gohan and then Goten each super saiyan at earlier ages, gohan as a teen and goten the youngest of the son family at like 8
Fun fact: The Omnitrix has playlists for sorting aliens. His original 10 are playlist 1.
2:56 To put it in perspective brainiac is stated to be a level 12 intelligence and the funny part is this was during alien force the season where a bunch of dc writers were involved
You can't really say that intelligence levels in ben 10 are 1:1 to DC even if the writers were the same
Yeah it's not 1:1. DC's 21st century Earth for example is stated to be a Level 6, while Ben 10's is only a Level 3.
@@ChadBenjamindoesn’t that just mean braniac is way dumber because the gap is only 2 times in dc but in ben 10 it would be 4
@@Bengt2509 He's actually twice as smart as all humans of the 21st century combined. The 6th level of intelligence refers to humanity's collective intellect. And humanity in the 31st century has achieved 9th level of intelligence.
@@ChadBenjaminyeah and humans in the 21st century (to my knowledge) are dumb as bricks
the omnitrix allows for all kinds of sorting and also playlists , like bens power-based top 10 playlist , even tho it doesnt include aliens more powerfull than alien x ( which we know are in there )
also
with the mind acceleration theory
technically ben could have just catched on better and more efficient thinking from when he was grey matter (galvanian) because they naturally have a lot more thinking/brain power , it allows for more thoughts and quicker learning , aswell as bigger iq while transformed , its not a far stretch to say that ben can adapt more to his transformations by using them more , sorta like , u use it more u are more skilled at using it sorta thing
while transforming into a sayan he wouldnt be able to automatically go super sayan , he would have to figure it out by himself as its not a spiecies thing its more like a technique thing , he would be able to use the great ape tho
the "prevent himself from dying" thing isnt controlled and cannot be controlled , its automatic so when he knows abt it , he never rlly needs to fear of his death unless omnitrix gets destroyed
But even then the omnitrix itself is kinda indestructible (most of the time)
And even if everything still doenst even work, he can just make the omnitrix charge up self destruct and let it cook for a few weeks to wipe everything with him which i doubt he would do
@@electrifiedbathbomb7383 i mean you are right but , didnt ben just open up / destroy sorta omnitrix in the epsiode where he just messed with it with a screw driver ? bro even basic ass earth technology can mess up the omnitrix in some ways
also the chargup would have to be long enough , idfk what it was like 1 day ? few hours ? few days ? anyway a week is prob more than enough
@@justrad7637you are correct about the screwdriver but that was specifically the prototype Omnitrix that Ben wore as a kid.
The official Omnitrix isn't exactly fiddled with in the same capacity as the prototype and recalibrated watch so it's difficult to say how much resistance it has gained to such tampering but I assume it has equivalent protection to the failsafe that would save Ben should he for any reason have his life threatened by turning him into the appropriate alien to handle the situation instantaneously
@@chrishansen1842 not rlly , the one ben had as a kid wasnt rlly a prototype it was finished but it still had flaws , also are we gonna forget it can recalibrate and just , lose the lens in general ? thats smt
and ye the one ben recieves for omniverse is a lot more durable and all probably ,
also , in an episode from , i think alien force ? bens wrist/hand got cut off and the watch can controll the arm so thats usefull , he is like buggy from one piece almost
@@chrishansen1842 also , it would be good to see the aliens in the watch that are more powerfull than alien X , cause we know there are those. also i think its a shame that ben didnt scan the 25th or smt dimentional creature we saw in one episode to simply add to his collection , not nececearly use it but just to have it to know its there
You also have to account for that Ben can transform into things that counter their energy attacks and even if Goku have ultra instinct Ben can still slow down time enough to where Goku can't even move and just age his body to his limit where he can't use his powers anymore and just sucker punch him as a human
If Ben scanned Goku, he would actually become essentially a Brolly who can go SS3, so he'd still be able to beat Goku pretty easily
And then there's the fact that he could go ultimate saiyan, so broly + evolution to survive what, for broly, would be the worst case scenario, and, according to some creators, it is also stackable
He don’t think he’d get Broly-level strength since Broly is a mutant. Ben only has the natural prime strength of a species.
@@ghengiroo4143 I mean he still got his strength naturally through nothing but Saiyan DNA, so he should still be able to be that strong
@@ghengiroo4143broly isn't a mutant, he's the prime of his species
@@hypnoticrobotgamingHe is a mutant, he is not the prime of his species. Broly literally has a MUTATED super saiyan form. The fact that the only other saiyan we see get said transformation is kale (who in the manga is stated to be a demonic saiyan that appears every 1k years or something along that line) it’s safe to assume it’s not “peak saiyan” but rather mutation. Also z broly is stated to be a mutant
Alien X is all-powerful. The only reason he did not blink The gladiator celestial Sapien out of existence is because the gladiator was trying to do that the entire time and Ben was refusing it omnipotence vs omnipotence is a moot point that doesn’t mean that one is better than the other, or that either has limits, it’s that if you are fighting God with another God, the best way to do it is with a fist fight.
7:18 thats what playlists are for, Ben can make a playlist of 10 aliens so he doesnt need to sort through all one million of them every time
plus Omniverse's Omnitrix shows u other aliens too aside from the one u are choosing so its the perfect choice for fighting
7:35 That's why the Omnitrix has different alien playlists
Ben literally can't die or lose. He could use alien x to just teleport you into space and superman into a kryptonite room in a no killing fight
Ah yes, those kryptonite rooms that are laying around everywhere. Just put him in one of those.
Ben could be superman but this argument is dumb AF
@@ZeallustImmortal Make a kryptonite room, does not even need Alien X.
@@ZeallustImmortalAlien X can litterally just materialize things. This is what the Kryptonite room arguement is talking about. Alien X can just make a room around Superman made of Kryptonite (this is litterally brought up in the video)
@@anidiot192 the thing is that kryptonite is really inconsistent as a weakness and superman can just change the plot in his favor anyways
22:58 - this video came out before the Broly movie so Kuro wouldn’t have known this, but since the Omnitrix turns Ben into the physical apex of what ever species he becomes a Saiyan Ben would be comparable to Broly who without god ki or a hybrid physiology is arguably the strongest saiyan there is.
Just imagine if he went beyond broly. Although Ben doesn't have any training he does have a genetic disposition to energy manipulation so he could possibly go Super Saiyan or even higher
If you yell loud enough, you can beat anyone!
-MorePatterrz
7:12 because the animators of Ultimate Alien just couldn't animate XLR8. So they made a very simplified version of XLR8, if you will. Not even the color scheme is changed. Good going guys!
22:10 once again, to answer the "What?". I agree. It makes no sense, even for Ben 10 standards and also another case of laziness. They just didn't want to design new older versions of Ben's aliens.
Not just that, tie in video game
@@TechBlade9000oh yeah that too. But Fastrack would definitely have to be conceptualized in the show first. I mean, if it were just for the game might as well use XLR8 since it would be just a 3d model and not drawing him over and over.
I will forever maintain the idea that if they combined Fastrack with shocksquatch, it'd be a cooler alien than both on their own IMO
Powers:
* super speed
* when he moves, he generates electricity via the static electricity of his fur
* can discharge the electricity in ranged blasts but can also super-power close range attacks
Draw-backs:
* slower than XLR8
* ranged blasts fizzle out the further away the target is
* big-size means he's a bigger target
Name: Thundogre (like Thunder meats Ogre)
@@Putting_the_Bi_in_Big_Nerd well, Shocksquatch is still pretty dope and I enjoy his scenes. Bet Fastrack would have gotten some pretty good treatment if he made it into Omniverse. But you know, he couldn't because CN told the crew to stop adding aliens in the show about aliens. Still very much satisfied with Ben's roster of aliens in Omniverse.
@@erikpng That's fair and I like Shocksquatch too :P (I just felt that could've been a cool way to make Fastrack differentiated more from XLR8)
28:17 Patterz stops the video, not realizing kuro is making a joke ABOUT the reboot
Yea but why he didn't realise it I'm pretty everyone would get that
if ben scanned a sayin and used the ultimate feature he would likely become a legendary super sayin like broly and broly was able to fight super sayin blue gogeta and gohan.
Broly, being the absolute peak saiyan, would be the omnitrix's normal saiyan transformation, ultimate saiyan would be approximately 1 billion years of everything going wrong for a saiyan like broly
@jackedhughman4981 hell any sayian going under the ultimate mode simulation would be op
Gohan??? what do you mean gohan?
@@LiMe251Broly is not peak saiyan, as a matter of fact, by the time of the granolah arc. He is surpassed by nearly all of the main characters of that arc
@@Bengt2509 my bad missremembered i dont know why the fuck i thaught gohan was a part of the fight
Ben 10 is literally unkillable do to the omnitrix protection system
And even if they don’t try to kill him, he doesn’t need to think to transform. In high stakes situations, the omnitrix automatically transforms into the best alien to make Ben not get hurt. It’s only in the completed one though. Although, in the Prototype version we saw a green energy field come out of the omnitrix whenever a bad guy try to fiddle with it
Ben also canonically has a photographic memory.
"If Ben has normal human reactions-" He does not. In the video, you can see clips of Ben dodging laser beams, meaning he has FTL reaction speed.
I can't tell if your serious
@@rottenrevival1370 I am.
@@rottenrevival1370he is bad at powerscaling
@@arxn5063u srs rn? I can agree Ben has fast reaction speed, but there are multiple instances in the show that show ben not being able to react to something obviously slower then light speed.
@@Schloopytoobernah creators couln't agree on noting so one episode he god
Next he has to learn the power of friendship and not being a jerk
Ben could voice activate it he just decides not to. Theres even a life preserving fail safe that'll automatically transform him into the best possible alien for that situation.
We gotta also consider that super saiyan is not an evolution but a transformation which means he could become even stronger
16:26 one in-world reason for the changes could be that if the new universe was a 1:1 replication, the universe destroying weapon would just turn on again.
Been waiting for this one! Thanks pat!❤❤❤❤❤
I mean thinking about it, if the ultimate form of any alien is specifically that alien in a worst case scenario for a million years, I think it could go a lot further than Super Saiyan 3. Like, Saiyans are built for adapting at crazy rates and coming back stronger every time they almost die. 1 million years of zenkai boosts combined with whatever transformations may have been evolved in, it might just end up being a ben 10 version of "Goku trapped in the hyperbolic time chamber" scenario.
Funnily enough I actually watched the Ben 10 timeline video you made and now this (I’m SO much of a Ben 10 fan that I love all series including the reboot and I used to have the first omnitrix and a four arms costume which whenever I was going to switch to him I’d as quick as possible put on the four arms costume)
The omnitrix has presets in it, so Ben couldn't flick through all 1 million if he wanted to. He only has access to aliens from new presets when the omnitrix changes or he creates a new one himself by scanning undocumented alien DNA.
If ben transforms into a saiyan he would be something like Broly
Ben 10 has access to millions of DNA samples that allow him to turn into the absolute peak form of any alien as long as the DNA is not tainted and is different from his own, Superman without question loses. Goku is the only debatable fight here simply because of the super Saiyan blue, super Saiyan, god, etc., but even then, if he was truly trying to win a fight with Goku, just turn into alien X you win he doesn’t even need to kill him
I am going to say one thing that seemed to have been ignored, the transformations do not necessarily have to be full organic, like the NRG that he turns into always having the "full body cage" on him, also if something that's not from the original alien species is necessary for him to achieve a species peak, he will have it, as can be observed by the sphere on XLR8 feet, that is used by it's species to go even faster than they would normally, therefore, even if he may need something to go SSJ blue or ultra instinct, as long as he had scanned goku (or any other sayan) he would be able, unless of course if something like a ritual is necessary (also I think that Broly is the peak of sayan species, since for his defeat it was necessary more than one sayan), and in superman's case, we have to know if he is facing the og superman or not, in case he is, we know that there is many others kryptonians that are stronger than him, the strongest one and it's species peak should be superman prime, so in my opnion, even without alien X, Ben would be able to win against both.
Just in case I made any mistakes on my writing, I'm sorry, english is not my first language, and in case I assumed something wrong like who's a sayan or a kryptonian peak specimen, please correct me, so that I do not commit said mistakes again (also I'm only saying things from the top of my head, did not do any research or whatsoever).
Not to say Ben wouldn't win, he still would but some corrections on the Dragon Ball side of things. Firstly you're correct about Ben transforming into a LSSJ like Broly as that is the peak Saiyan biology that we know of. Despite us knowing that Gogeta Blue is stronger that is multiple things that isn't biology nor a inorganic thing that he can just access.
Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan Blue are both transformations however they require you to access God Ki which you cannot do without a ritual, Super Saiyan god would therefor be a technique that transforms you rather than an actual transformation whilst blue would be the same thing with an added transformation on top. Sorry if that seems to make no sense but to put it simply whilst its only shown in other universes as some of the characters like Toppo can access god of destruction ki its actually a technique.
Ultra Instinct and MUI is a technique too as its clearly stated that it can be accessed by anyone, I believe you need god ki for it in the first place but the cannon on that is shaky since in the manga the gods thought Roshi had it since he was dodging Jiren.
BTW you're English is great, you do speak formally but there isn't an issue with that
i think we're forgetting that ben 10 has aliens like ghostfreak and bigchill where he can basically go invisible, and then use mind control or freeze them.
1:38 Unironically accurate.
OMG ARE YOU STALKING ME YOU'RE LITERALLY EVERYWHERE!!
@@justsomecheezyguybro he isn’t some guy without a mustache chill
I highly recommend watching the Ink Tank's Drawing Matrix series, they've been going through and giving all of Ben's aliens Ultimate forms. All of the designs and powers are sick as fuck.
After the Ben 10 lore video, man needs to know what's going on with Ben 10... 😂😂😂
He says Ben wouldn't use Alien X casually, but I think he didn't saw the episode where Ben used Aliem X to play with the Rooters
you can see the point where he realised that Ben wins and just goes that not fair
Ben is busted as hell
These 3 are some of my favourite characters ever
First so true... When writers have decided to actualy go ahead with it and not learn bout friendship
7:25 That’s why theirs master control
22:31 Vegeta is a counter to that argument and Giblet from dragon Ball Legends as both never did the ritual to achieve the form but brought it out with harsh training notably the DBS broly movie and that Giblet and Shallot are descendants of the original Super Saiyan God so all they needed to do was bring it out
Wait, now that i think about it. Wouldn't Prime Sayian be something more like Broly rather than Goku who while fighting SSJ Blue Gogeta/Vegetto(can't remember) warped dimensions just with his punches or something like that?
@@rapaly well yes and no if we go by the info of super saiyan in order: The tale of super Saiyan and legendary super saiyan were brought up during the saiyan saga about warriors that can transcend their limits showing prowess 10x their ability. Then theirs legendary which was stated to close to that of a godlike being without counting fusions. Lastly the prime which is super Saiyan god which was attained as the legend states is obtained with 5 righteous saiyans pouring energy into the sixth. Which vegeta has proven that it can be done without that during the broly movie. But has shown that Legendary is still far superior due to the constant power increase
In summary God and Legendary seem to both be the prime since both have infinite potential
Ah, back when Kuro had a normal haircut. His hair now has more forms than a Super Saiyan.
Biggest question: Who has survived a universal nuke and didn't even know it was happening, right on top of him, and proceeded to recreate that universe (not exactly point to point but still) while the universe was still being nuked, and therefore also has powers equal to that same nuke because of the Omniverse finale showing the exact same type of nuke creating the known universe? People talk about Goku or Superman being super powerful, but 2 people can kick their tails. One is a 17 year old with a DNA shifting watch that could just snap away their existence with at least 2 aliens, and the other is a Hedgehog that can run faster than a black hole can black hole, has defeated multidimensional beings, universal gods, and machines usually powered by gems of infinite power that the Hedgehog uses to "copy Super Saiyan".
Dont forget clockwork rewinded a bomb that hit the entire multiverse so his range of ability is massive
The way that ben is able to quickly pick an alien at least for the prototype and recalibrated omnitrix (im dont know if the completed omnitrix has it) is by putting each alien into playlists of 10 aliens
I mean it should but then again azmuth is a big fan of downgrades
A Friendly fight ben can turn into gutrot a gas alien to use any type of gas on goku and superman
Ben literally has a god in his arsinal
Nit sorting a million aliens 😂😂😂
I think the omnitrix gives him a group to select from depending on his situation
2:34 That’s more on a species-wide scale rather than focusing on Ben as that alien. Which the omnitrix makes him a prime example of the species relative to his age, though it does take into account any sexual dimorphism within a species. ie Tetramands(Four-Arms) where although it makes Ben a prime male Tetramand, he would still have a trouble with a prime female Tetramand, since the females are stronger.
16:17 Pretty much, as exemplified by the many design changes of many characters after he recreated the universe.
not just that. is canon that EVERY TIME the series changed design between seasons (OG, UAF and omniverse) was because of a celestialsapien doing things
@@ignacioperez5479it's a pretty good excuse to explain the change in animation of a show right?
Not only saves trouble,but also deepens the lore of the series
Chronosapians absolutely have better time manipulating powers than Zoom
There's one thing that I wish he mentioned in the video The chronosapien time bomb. That bomb was able to erase infinite multiverses and infinite timelines leaving only one and a non-experienced Ben who had the Omnitrix for maybe a day or a week had the knowledge that a chronosapien could reverse all of that.
Clockwork could reverse literally infinite destruction with minimum ease.
You forgot one thing, ben has photographic memory and i reccomend you watch "everything the omnitrix can do" by the ink tank.
Goku has a limit, it is just very high. At most he is universal+, Ben 10 is Multiverse+.
one of ben aliens the worst is indestructible but still feels basically he takes no damage so we sit there on tell goku gets tried and waybig throws him into sun
And I think there was said that the omnitrix has aliens more powerful than Alien X
You just saw Goku give Cell a bean he'd help Ben reach what he believes is the limit for Saiyan so yeah
the canon explanation for both xlr8 and fast track existing is that while xlr8 is faster, fasttrack is more durable and physically stronger.
also, yes, if Ben had access to a Saiyan transformation, he would be able to access super Saiyan forms because they are “super Saiyan “forms which means its tied to their biology, and if they are the peak of what a Saiyan can be then Ben can be it
Winning for ben it's kinda easy use the life form with alien ex that it's gg,
13:13 damaging energy it op, it mean you interact with it at an atomic level
Also goku and superman are alien all need is get a sample of dna, and can probarably turn in a sayan or a crypton
He doesn’t even need to use the life form feature since we’ve seen alien x literally preventing Ben from turning back into a human
Fun fact 2 (read my other comment first please): we don't how god ki functions as even though goku had to have the whole ritual Vegeta litrally just trained himself to have god ki so we dont know whether or not scanning a god ki powered saiyan would give ben a god ki using saiyan. Also its therised that future trunks potentially accesed god ki himself in super aswell as broly's legendary form possibly having tapped into god ki as super blue in that movie is precursored by the same aura of ki that borly has which could be the transitory ki between god and normal which suggests its possible to gain god ki is just an evolution of ki which itself it just life energy that has been weaponised which theoretically speaking means that scanning a being using god ki would eventually allow someone to use god ki. Also the ultimate saiyan would probably be a hybrid between beast gohan and legedary broly as both those states are tied to thier persons and not outside Influence meaning its possible that bens ultimate saiyan would hav eits own unique god slaying form
Highschool dxd is a GREAT first anime to recommend, it covers pretty much everything anime has to offer 90% of the time and cranks it up to 100, so you'll understand these tropes in different animes much easier, and it has some plent bouncy plot,
As a power scaler, Feedback is already enough to beat them up.
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He didn't even mention that it is confirmed that Alien X isn't Ben 10's strongest alien.
Nice never thought he’d react to ink tank again. Highly recommend more stuff from them.
As long as goku doesn't threaten to destroy the world, and ben doesn't kill anyone (which neither will happen) ben will probably win. Ben will copy goku, goku will go to whatever level saiyan ben is able to copy, then ben will win since he will be the pinnacle of that level. Goku will never take an unfair advantage in a casual fight.
I'm a Ben 10 fan so my bias is already there and obvious, but damn did I like this reaction, what I liked the most, is how fast you pick on on details and make commentary on it like in this time stamp 3:25
I'm kinda annoyed that he just ingores the part where he says he can turn onto a exact copy of the guy so he would be about the same strength. Also i wish more people gave more of a chance to ben without alien X i honestly think he can do it
Notice how he looks away when it shows Ben can also use magic 🤣
Fun fact:Ghostfreak can possess people but also destroy their soul which means is Ben turns into Ghostfreak and is fighting goku he can just possess him and destroy his soul
I love ink tank's videos because he knows what he's talking about not just ben 10 but from a multitude of franchises
Also fun fact there are species in the omnitrix that are stronger that alien X that we never see or sadly ever will
that's not true anymore as in UA it's confirmed Alien X is Ben's strongest alien
@@theamazingspooderman2697writer statements have confirmed that there are aliens in the watch that are stronger then alien x those aliens are probably in the completed omnitrix since we see some new aliens added to the completed omnitrix. And UA was before omniverse sooooo
If Ben were to get Saiyan DNA, he would be able to go into the Super Saiyan God forms since you can obtain god ki through training, that's how Vegeta got it
But he wouldn't inherently get god ki because saiyans don't normally have it
it’s not obtained naturally in saiyan dna, Because god form is the ritual or training with whis/beerus. meaning unless ben did either of those he would be capped at normal ki, because it’s not in his dna (I just realized ben could scan beerus, not whis because I think whis could dodge unless he wanted to get scanned)
@@Bengt2509 He really wouldn't be able to scan any of them bc he'd just get blitzed
@@malid-sama7856or beerus would hakai him and he would die
@@Bengt2509 fax
25:04~25:12 You should *not* have spoken here. What Max said was "It's *not the Ben move.* You trust people. You give them second chances. And they *live up to your expectations."* Max was saying that the "sensible move" was not the right move *because* Ben is always able to find another way.
It's so funny how this old video is still one of the most relevant to Ben 10 discussions to this day
And tbh I kinda hate debates like these for the simple fact that people turn what's supposed to be dumb silly fun into wars about which chatacter they like more. And get very rude. And for what? They ultimately don't matter. It's fiction. And even then, it's sort of under that because said fights aren't going to ever happen officially. The concept of the discussion is good. A bit of dumb geeky fun. But again, people take them to heart. If they're told their favorite character loses they act like it's an attack on them personally. So I guess it's less about hating the discussion but the people participating in them.
As for this fight, I agree with you. If it's a fight to the death at the fullest potential, Ben wins. If it's more casual and take the accurate portrayals of these Chatacters, Ben loses.
that's what powerscaling is, casual fans should not take part in that bcz they always let their bias win while judging
Exactly exactly
Side note: the omnitrix can automatically transform Ben into whatever alien he needs for the job so the issue of him not being able to transform fast enough isn’t an issue. Also even if we aren’t talking about alien x, Ben has echo echo which if you don’t know what he does he can multiply himself. And we’ve LITERALLY seen Ben using echo echo and transforming each individual echo echo into a version of Ben. So theoretically, Ben could transform into an infinite number of himself and have all of them transform into whichever aliens they want aswell. So I don’t think either of them win just bc of the sheer numbers in either a haha match for a death battle
@@Schloopytoober you're not wrong. Or Alien X could just multiply himself and each clone goes and lives in every moment of Goku's life and just give him a beating. All at once. That would most likely break time cause holy shit that is so ridicolous and it could theoretically happen.
@@erikpng ye but I wasn’t counting alien x since this is a sparring match not a fight to the death. But if we are counting alien x all he needs is one alien x and gg
@@Schloopytoober I know. But I tried the most ridicolous outcome I could think of.
Even in a friendly fight I think Ben could defeat Goku in some instances, with full control of the Omnitrix he can change into Goop, an alien made of well, goop, to avoid physical attacks while using Feedback to tank, absorb and return ki based attacks, not to mention he has aliens like Ghost freak or Big chill that are straight up ghosts that can become intangible, plus, he'd be fighting the ape (nickname I give to this specific Saiyan), he would straight up encourage Ben to go all out, so, Alien X
Almost forgot, in current DB canon the highest level a Saiyan can achieve without god ki is Brolly, who beat the crap out of both Goku and Vegeta and required to be stopped by Gogeta, so, give him the Ultimatrix and you've got a Ben that can suddenly go Brolly levels, only if you choose that is the version of Ben and watch you choosing tho
You also forgot that the goop of Goop is adic and Ben can control it (he can make it harmless or extremely adic)
He also has an alien who's face is basically Lovecraftian horror
Another one who can basically put the enemies into a state of happy coma
Etc
Ink Tank treats Ben better than Death Battle did
even without alien x in a friendly fight, Ben would still win. I havn't seen DBZ, but I don't think Goku can punch a ghost. Superman can't punch ghosts either, but without Ghostfreak, Ben is still all good. He can time freeze superman with Clockwork, turn into a vampire alien, spit a mind control thing at Clark and just win form there (yes that alien is canon). and if all else fails, he can become and invincible alien. he still feels all of the pain, like breaking an arm would still have all the agony, but none of the damage.
You're going to have to grace your audience with a video going through the lore of 40k at some point Patt
The omnitrix aliens are sorted into playlists
That’s y when the omnitrix recalibrated when Ben put the watch back on he lost access to his original transformations until he was able to reunlock them
Funnily the failsafe is not cheating it’s automatically activated no matter what Ben wants it to do because it will save him no matter what, so automatically he would just turn into alien X
I’ll be honest, with the Omnitrix’s Data Scan ability, and considering Goku and Superman are aliens/different species, he could easily scan them and gain their forms, and with Master Control, could turn into them in a fraction of a second
Ben 10 wins easily
And he becomes a prime member of the species, so the strongest a Kryptonian/Saiyan could be naturally. Then if he Ultimate's he just wins, especially if used on Goku, because if Broly in super was a mutation, could you imagine a guided evolution over thousands of generations, multiplying like Broly's mutation repeatedly? Even if we lowball to once every 100 generations, that would still stomp... Anything, basically. Plus, gain, prime member of species, so strongest he could possibly be.
I think a very overlooked part of this is Ki control Considering Even Back In OGDB You had to have had this skill for the best control of your ki and unleashing all the power Ben has None of that His body would explode from the Surge in Energy and revert him to a state that could survive this explosion aka alien x
@@UniversalPvp Its not bens body though, its a physically perfect Saiyan
@@python1972 It doesn’t mean shit to what I said Ben doesn’t know how to use Ki control Ben himself has to have knowledge about it otherwise he’s fucked he isn’t acquiring the knowledge of that saiyan and his lifetime.
@@UniversalPvp Pretty sure Saiyans know how to use Ki control. And the Omnitrix data dumps stuff like that when Ben first transforms
Maybe you should watch their video on power scaling each of the transformations Ben has unlocked