I tried to understand the Fate timeline
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There's a weird cut at 2:45 or so because of a copyright claim that blocked the video worldwide
note for the god thing
if we are talking about the GOD (Jehova) is assumed he is Akasha itself.
The other gods, greek, egyptians, etc; exist in every universe except for God. This assumptions stems from one character related to him. Solomon (the last king of Israel, david's son) had a noble phantasm that worked as ''giving back the miraccle God gave me''' making that EVERYTHING relating to him disapears since it makes humanity no need him anymore, since they already learn what he wanted to teach.
this makes solomon ascend over the throne of heroes (the place were the spirits are registered to be able to be summoned) thus making it imposible to summon him again. This not only afected the solomon that activated, BUT IT AFFECTED EVERY SOLOMON IN THE MULTIVERSE. meaning that a miracle of God has the ability to affect the multiverse .
there is also the thing that the first True magic user, the one who REALLy begun the age of man..is Jesus
altough he doesnt do anythiing about the vampires, that kills humans, so he is kinda a dick sometimes
"The simplest analogy of the world system in Fate universe is imagine that the universe is running on PC OS, now Akasha is something like the BIOS or system32 of the universe and Counter Force (aka Servants) is like the firewall that protects the BIOS from being hacked or tampered.
This analogy works as well to explain why mages use magic crests to pass down their magic to their descendant, for example the biggest difference between normal humans with mages is that mages have extra biological nerves called Magic Circuit. Now magic circuit works exactly like PC in sense that its the motherboard of mages, in a sense that mages write the spell (aka the programming code) onto their magic circuit so to activate their spell all they have to do is to run mana (or electricity in PC terms) through their magic circuit. Now following this logic mages pass down their spells by grafting their Magic Circuit (that already have their spells coded in it) after a lifetime of training and learning into their descendant body, just think of it as passing down USB filled with lifetime of knowledge from generation to generation. And each generation adds something to their family Magic Crest which is why the more ancient one family is the stronger their magic is. And because Magic Circuit is a real organ, passing it down is literally the same as donating your organ, which means there is a high risk of rejection if it's done to someone outside of your bloodline. Which is why all mages in Fate universe are more selfish than mages in Harry Potter universe, because ultimately they can only rely on their own family magecraft and each family has their own unique trait and specialize only in a single type of magecraft.
The magic and world system in Fate universe is well fleshed out and is built on rock hard logic thats makes much more sense than the magic in Potterverse"
"And about the technical difference between the term Magecraft and True Magic in Fate universe, is that ANYTHING that can also be done by science or real life tools is basically Magecraft.
shooting fireball = flamethrower so it's a magecraft
making big explosion = bomb so it's a magecraft
flying = jetpack so it's a magecraft
time travel = we don't have time machine yet so it's True Magic
making something out of nothing = violates thermodynamic law so it's True Magic
and for a couple of thousand years it's already been agreed that there are 7 True Magic (2 of my examples above are also part of those 7), so whenever you see some mage talking on screen about "3rd Magic" or something they are referring to the 3rd type of True Magic among all 7. And because the only difference between magecraft and TM is whether or not current science can replicate it it follows suit that eventually with scientific progression True Magic will degrade into Magecraft."
I love the explanation of why the Voyager 1 is a little kid: the Voyager 1 represents the purest and most sincere feeling about humanity, their childish curiosity and the awe from learning more. No profit nor malice, just the pure joy of discovering what no one has seen before.
and also the fact that he's based off a children's book of a blond small prince on the moon.
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He's also the youngest heroic spirit, only "dying" in 2025, even after EMIYA.
VOYAGER NUMBER 1
@@rancorrage5646didnt fate happen 2004 and emya died in his 30s so its close
That's hell you're walking into, Pat
"Just because you're correct, doesn't mean you're right"
Amen
God i loved that scene, gives me shivers every time >.
The archer class really is made out of archers
Careful master, oni are oni
Can't wait for Pat to find out how, in the Fate franchise, Mordred who is the Saber of Red, not to be confused with red Saber, was "created". 😅
10/10 way
Imagine he learns of Merlin's actions throughout the timelines. Heck he finds out abt Sakura and her shit or be confused about Shirou and Alaya's deal/relationship/shirou wanting to kill himself in the past etc..
D Wizard is the only hint for Pat
This joke needs to die. Dive deeper into the franchise ffs to get better jokes.
Why was Nero called Red Saber again? Was it a marketing thing to get more sales?
Also Mordred is Saber of Red because of checkers, i should've realized that sooner tbh
To answer your question, yes, somebody DID win the Holy Grail War. In fact, the entire Fate/Grand Order series started with someone winning the war and asking for enough MONEY to built his Time Machine. Meanwhile, his Servant's wish is to be reborn as an ordinary guy, which allowed the Big Bad to enact his evil plan.
That's an oversimplified version of it, but that's basically what happened.
but i thought wishes couldn't be granted if 7 heroic spirits didn't first fill the cup, how did both the man and the servant get a wish?
@@edoardove.1316 the number of servants that need to be sacrificed depends on the wish, the more miracle like the more sacrifices, all 7 are only really needed to reach the root
@@sguch11 just replying for more context, not all servants are equal. In the 5th holy grail war, the archer from 4th survived, and he alone is worth 3 servants.
@@edoardove.1316all the servants are needed for the highest of wishes ie. reaching the root. lesser wishes can be granted without that. fate zero is an example where multiple servants aren’t yet defeated yet the grail is still used
To think that Fate is just *one singular part* of a universe including *multiple franchises* is the most impressive thing to me.
There's a reason why modern fate tends to give recaps for stuff like ORT, Sefar and the like. Heck, by combining Tsukihime elements they may have the timeline even more confusing because they've added characters like Shion Eltnam or Fabre Rowan to FGO, characters that *were removed from the Tsukihime remake's continuity* due to a large amount of changes to the plot.
To be fair Fate Shion is miles away from Tsukihime Shion as she's not having to deal with all the negative vampire baggage (even though it is implied she still is vampiric in Fate)
Considering there are servants for whom their entire backstory is they're refugees from dead timelines, it's not like characters cut from their own timelines would be an odd turn.
Sion Eltnam exist even in "Main" timeline, the problem would have started if she was the same as in Melty blood.
In FGO "Night of Valahia" does not exist, so as long as she's different there's no problem.
The only issue that she act like a annoying lowlife degenerate in FGO, but it's unrelated to our discussion.
The Grail was won in some timelines.
In the Fate/Grand Order timeline, the 2004 Holy Grail War ended up being the first and only Holy Grail War held in Fuyuki (in this timeline). The winners were Marisbury Animusphere and his Caster Servant Solomon, who used the Greater Grail to fulfill their desires after having defeated all the other Masters and Servants. Unfortunately before Solomon could become human, he has a vision that told him the world was in trouble. So he had Marisbury Animusphere create Chaldea, which is where the protagonist works in Fate/Grand Order.
Lessons in Magecraft by OtakuDaiKun has Everything. Any concept your not sure of, he has the answers.
I dunno if that properly counts, because he didn't get the Greater Grail or reach Akasha. He was never interested in that in the first place, I don't think.
Also I thought Marisbury already wanted to create Chaldea before going to the Holy Grail War, he just wanted to win to get the wealth he needed to make it. There's been stuff in the newer story chapters that hinted that he was aware of what was going to happen in Part 2 and that's why he made Chaldea in the first place.
@@MozillaVulpix As a JP bro, I can confirm Marisbury was more than just aware of all the stuff in Part 2. He is the reason Geotia pulled all the shit he did
@@MozillaVulpix The part 2 which is "Lostbelts" gives in depth analysis on Chaldea itself and we commit warcrimes so yeah.
Hakuno won the Moon Cell Holy Grail War
Technically Kiritsugu won the 4th one and Shirou the 5th one.. it's just that the corrupted grail is useless for them.
Also I don't think that HGW will ever gave birth to new magician. The theory is sound and it is possible to gave birth to new magic via the path opened by throne of heroes but the epithet about magic stated that the fifth is also the final magic. Given that we already know the nature of 2nd, 3rd and 4th magic and 1st magic is the first ever to be discovered.. we can say safely that unless 5th magic is some time travel ability then it's impossible for new magic to appear from any other path that are still open.
To put it simply since 5th magic is called the final magic and it already exist then 6th magic cannot be discovered since it went against the epithet EXCEPT if it's nature is unrestricted time travel cuz it opens up scenario where 5th magic is discovered in the distant future but it's user time traveled say to the present. That way technically the 5th exist in present day before it got discovered.
MASSIVE SPOILERS FOR F/GO LOSTBELTS 7+
In reality Marisbury used the Money from the Grail and made Chaldea in order to use it to wipe out all other parallel timelines except his own.
The funniest part is this barely qualifies as a medium version of the timeline. It skips over a lot of stuff and doesnt include a lot of the other parts of the nasuverse. And theres new fate series coming out almost every year or two in japan. So the timeline continues to grow.
The two currently alive magicians(holders of true magic) don't even originate from FATE LMFAO. Zelretch and Aoko are from Tsukihime and Mahoyo
And the "root" is from Kara no Kyoukai....they all in technically "same" universe
@@A_Liner I mean the root is the core of the nasuverse,and is mentioned in Fate too. Unless you're specifically referring to Void Shiki
The Einzberns passed down the Third Magic as technique that Illya and Amakusa were capable of using and the First is heavily implied to be held by Alice but she doesn't even know how to use it...
Saying Aoko is from Mahoyo is like Saber is from Fate/Zero and not Fate/Stay Night, Mahoyo takes place in the same universe as Tsukihime but before the events of that story.
And for Zelretch, the one in Fateverse isn't the same as Tsukihimeverse, he isn't a vampire in the former unlike in the latter.
@@thegamerfe8751 Except Mahoyo was written well before Tsukihime unlike Fate Zero which was written as a prequel...
I love how he immediately says you can summon Heracles
funny thing is I have Heracles lmao
Its funny how Gigguk's video was supposed to make fate easier to understand for newbies yet even he admits he made things 10x worse😂
It definitely wasn't meant to lol. Timeline breakdowns are not and should never be treated as beginner's breakdowns.
@@uselessprotaganist7444 Not to mention his timeline is wrong and he got roasted badly by the Type-Moon fandom.
Thomas Edison has a lion head because he was granted power by every president of the USA past, present, and future so he could become the presi-king and fight against the Irish in the Civil War with his robot army. Duh.
Fate/Grand Order is a hell of a drug.
Also, it's a reference to MGM Lion, since Edison holds the patent to the Kinetograph/Kinetoscope, which is basically the Motion Picture
So, i am a Fate fan. Many people in the fanbase really hate this video because they feel as if it pushes people away from the fanbase by making it seem, "More Confusing than it actually is". I actually think the video is great and little to nothing actually confuses me in the series if you just mush most of it together, and take away the most important aspects. I've been part of this fanbase for a decade now, im 23 years old, and i somehow have a life. Please do not be intimidated by this series.
^
Goddamn you jumped into the rabbit hole too young.
I think Fate fans just have to accept that the timeline IS confusing as fuck.
That doesn’t make it bad, it just means you have to accept that some things don’t tie up nicely
@@jonasquinn7977 The problem is that the timeline is not confusing at all, at least not if all someone cares about is watch order. And it is indeed annoying to be told constantly "yes it is" when people can't even satisfactorily answer why or how.
Like, there's a VN that started everything, the names I'll tell you are adaptations of different routes. Here's an anime with a light novel, is meant to be a prequel. The setting accepts different timelines, so the rest don't really have an order, watch them however the fuck you want, just see if any catch your attention.
That's literally. That was all. At best afterwards you'll get confused what's the order of the Extra Games that share one setting and nothing more.
@@MajorLawliet Yeah but how do we then get the normal folk into it? Can't tell them to play the visual novel because they're normal people with lives and hopes, but you can't tell them to watch the Deen Stay Night because it kinda sucks, but then Zero assumes you start watching it knowing what happens in Stay Night so it's hard to start there, and then UFOtables Stay Nights ABSOLUTELY expect you to know what happened in Zero so it's also hard to start there! And if they DON'T have someone who knows the series already and can help them figure it out, it's even worse, because from the outside looking in trying to get into Fate probably looks like trying to get into Gundam with all the shows that are out right now!
As a Fate fan, the lore of of the Nasuverse is a very deep and hard path go through.
I’m just glad I took the easy path when I got into Fate the only anime at the time that were out were Fate/Stay Night 2006 and the Unlimited Blade Works Movie by Studio Deen and Fate/Zero by Ufotable so wasn’t really hard for me to get into it (yes I have played the 18+ VN bye the way but that was years later)
Frankenstein is best girl and if I was to get ANY character guaranteed in the game she’d be my choice (and if we could get servants in real life even if it wasn’t for fighting or a giant war I’d probably pick her) because she’s SO beautiful and adorable and yes I’m saying SHE on purpose because our Frankie is actually female in the fate series so if you put “fate/grand order Frankenstein” in google you’ll understand EXACTLY what I mean
Technically speaking, She’s The bride of Frankenstein‘s monster. But alternative history happen and the female was created first instead of the male. Fran it’s one of the many gender bends that makes proper sense in fate.
@@kenw4574Bruh🤓 and no she is supposed just be the monster but she is just called Frankenstein.
Fran best *daughter
@@DR_REDACTED isn’t that… literally what I said?
In Nasuverse there's 2 version of fiction heroes
one that literally just fiction like Nemo
and another who actually exist as real life happening that nobody knows, got re-written as fiction by a mage and grow popular enough to be a heroic spirit, this is Fran.
There's also 3rd one where a real life heroes got twisted by popular fiction but the principal is exactly the same as the 2nd type only that there's history book to counterbalance the fictional part.... which actually is majority of the servant now that I think bout it.
Anyway Fran backstory is that a mage called Victor a mage wanted to create primodial human - Adam and Eve - as his research theme (to reach Akasha obviously) however given the complexities of his research he decided to built Eve first and have her gave birth to Adam (technically the first son of the first woman is the first man) Anyway the story goes Victor feels like his Eve is failure, tries to kills her, failed, she got angry, yadayadayada she wanted to exact revenge at victor, pursue him till Artic where he commit suicide.
Point is someone told this story to Mary Sheley and she decided to write "Frankenstein" based on this story. The result is that she got tweaked by the story cursing her with reduced intellect as curse of the fiction. I mean that's why she's known as Frankenstein and not Eve which is the name given to her by Victor.
Since Gigguk only really tried to talk about the timeline, I'll try to make things clearer.
Basically in the Nasuverse there are 4 main entries: Tsukihime, Fate/Stay Night, Kara no Koukai and Witch on the Holy Night.
Each of those can be the first one you check out as they're all pretty independant.
Kara no Kyoukai is a book series that got adapted into great Ufotable movies.
Witch on the Holy Night is a visual novel that will be adapted into Ufotable movie(s) soon.
Tsukihime is a visual novel (with 4 different story branches) that was adapted into an horrible anime, and into a manga that is the perfect adaptation of the 1st route (there is no manga for the other routes). It has 2 sequels: A visual novel and a fighting game.
(Tsukihime also got a recent remake)
Then there's Fate, which is where it gets messy.
It started as an eroge visual novel (later releases replaced the hentai scenes with other safe ones). It has 3 different story branches called Fate, Unlimited Blade Works and Heaven's Feel (that are meant to be read in that order). There's also Fate/Hollow ataraxia (a sequel).
It first got a bad anime of the first route (Fate) by studio Deen. Years later Ufotable made an anime for Unlimited Blade Works and movies for Heaven's Feel.
The only things that are close to the main Fate timeline are Fate/Zero (a prequel) and Lord El-Melloi II's Case Files/Adventures (a spin-off starring a Fate/Zero character).
Every other Fate/ thing is a spin-off that takes place in a completely different universe that split off from the main very early in the timeline like you see in this video.
They're all also written by other people.
P.S: Magic is explored a lot in Witch on the Holy Night, which you can just buy for the PS4 or switch.
Just two corrections:
1_ the DEEN Fate anime is not bad, as an adaptation it's probably better than Ufotable Fate which butchered the atmosphere in UBW and made Heaven's Feel bad but cutting and ruining too much, the only saving grace for that route being the amazing animation. So instead of giving your (probably biased) opinion, let people decide if it's bad in their eyes or not.
2_ You forgot to mention that Mahoyo/Witch On The Holy Night is in the same timeline/universe as Tsukihime.
@@thegamerfe8751 I call it bad simply because of spoiling the other routes. If I was to show my opinion more I'd say to not watch any of the adaptations at all as they all have big issues in my opinion, but I can't expect everyone to give a chance to visual novels above pretty anime.
About Mahoyo that is valuable information I forgot to add. Though I also want to add that it is in the same universe as the remake specifically.
It's only bad because it's retroactively deemed bad. If it was a bad anime, F/SN wouldn't have the current popularity it has now. Stop being biased.
Yeaaah as Gigguk says, he explains this badly. The fandom always has a collective groan when this video gets mentioned because this one video alone has caused even more confusion for people looking to get into it
Imo the fan response is massively overexaggerated. If people want to get into Fate without getting confused, they just need to stop trying to read text wall after text wall and, you know, watch it. I'm entirely in agreement with what he said at the end about watch order, and the rest of this video was never about watch order. Imagine if people refused to start reading Marvel or DC comics because they were reading massive essays about the ultimate watch order of all comics combined, or looking up videos breaking down the entire multiverse.
As a Kingdom Hearts fan, I have never been more confused by a timeline in my life
Kingdom Hearts only has the issue that the games are out of order and once you figured out the order the acual timline is easey....the timline, not the events IN the timline. Same with Fate realy, thers one main timline and ewrything else is just a paralel timline. Cause trust me if THIS confuses you....we havet event gotten too the REAL confusing shit
That's because gigguk made it confusing.
Same sadly
@@johnc._9822 it's in the name of the video actually, *Badly* Explaining the ENTIRE Fate Series in 30 MINUTES. He put just enough effort in to somewhat understand the timeline but not enough to make it more coherent.
To be fair, while still staying spoiler free; winning the Grail War grants a Wish to the winner. the Mages will typically use their wish to reach the Root of Akasha as the video said. The Servant who wins also gets to make a wish, and each Servant has a wish desire based on their personal mythology and motivations. Several of the wars have ended with wishes being granted in some form or another. Many of the ones happening in the 'alternate' and 'future' are ones that have definitive results in that regard.
Fate/Kalied is kinda my favorite because I'm a massive sucker for Magical Girls and Vow in the Snow is a freaking awesome movie with one of the best renditions of Emiya's theme (Emiya's Theme: Girl Revolution is my actual favorite rendition and is in the first season of Kalied)
That being said Fate/Zero is a perfect anime but only on a viewing after watching UBW which is also peak af
Fate Prisma Illya. Is one of my favorites Manga. Especially The 3rd prisma illya manga.
Oath Under snow is definitely one of my favorites movies. Even outside of fate.
Gigguk is like infamous in the actual fandom for being awful at actually explaining the series lmao
Ong, fate is my first anime series and after watching only a few of the stay nights and thr grand orders I understand most of it, it's really not that hard, still learning new things though
Those people are the same that tells you to start fate with fate/zero
Everyone if the fandom sucks explaining the series and if anyone says they don't they are wrong, what i always say is just watch Unlimited Blade works and if you like it just keep watching stuff, also i always tell them that preferably to watch Zero before watching the Heaven's Feel movies, and that's all i always told friend that ask me about watching Fate.
@@Ms666slayer I feel like you should NOT specifically tell em to watch Zero before Heavens Feel, BECAUSE the worms and Sakura's family situation are supposed to be a surprise. Zero just shows you ''oh yeah btw Sakura is being violated by worms daily lol'' while in Heavens Feel its an actual surprise and a big part of the plot.
Fate is legit so good, I recommend it to anyone.
Welcome to nasuverse. The worst way to consume information about it is from meme videos like gigguks howecer 😅
11:15 one of the characters actually has a line about that: "There's nothing wrong with drinking the night away with good company, even if we'll kill each other come morning"
It's like this for fate's "timeline"
Creation of the universe
Age of gods (gilgamesh and greek heroes)
age of myth
Near modern age
Modern age.
Undetermined future
The ending is crisp
Basically just watch it
If you ask what the plot is
Then your shameless
Just "don't worry about it"
- Just so you know, Alaya can prune timelines and our timeline is kept at a balance. If a timeline turns civilization into a utopia, that gets pruned. If the timeline turns the world into an apocalyptic wasteland of death and despair, that also gets pruned.
- Servants don't necessarily have to be historically accurate. Their lore can change on a whim and the many factors that contribute to that change are numerous (one of those factors is pop culture), just like actual history.
- the Nasuverse includes a wide variety of other stories that aren't limited to Fate....even though there are characters from that universe that appear in other works, and sometimes they have relatives who are from other universes.
Eh, it's debatable is a Utopia would get pruned as long as it was forged by Humanity. The entire point of Alaya is that it values human progression over all else. The Crypters were able to potentially save timelines by intervening as humans progressing that timeline. If Lostbelt 5 had stablised, it would probably be fine as long as humanity still progressed which of course was impossible due to God shenanigans
I thought it was that timelines only get pruned if human progress is halted?
I lost my belt
@@shadowofdimentio4618 Nah, it would be pruned. The problem with Utopias is that they stagnate. If the world is perfect, then there is no reason to improve. The only reason crypters could intervene was because of the fantasy trees that had an entire galaxy worth of energy generation to counteract anything the counter force could throw at it.
Hey Patterz just to put into perspective how stupidly broken to the point of everyone wanting it is, one of the True Magics the 2nd once I believe is called Kiledoscope what does it do? Oh you know just casually *LETS YOU OPERATE REALITY AND JUMP BETWEEN THEM AND JTS ALSO TIME TRAVLE BECAUSE WHY NOT* and also even just a fragment if this magic made a sword with literally unlimited mana/magic because it takes mana from other timelines or something like that
So time travel is a different true magic (it's the fifth one). Pretty sure the only true magic Zelretch has is the second one.
@Eis_Cold Nah that's not what the 5th one does. No one actually know what Blue does, just that it has something to do with time travel, not that it IS time travel.
Them travel still falls under the 2nd, because you can just jump to another world that's a little behind in the timeline
@@coreyeck5266 ok but that's not really time travel, that's just him entering another dimension that happens to be a bit further back time wise, Unless he himself is making that dimension be slower.
Edit: a good comparison would be from Rick and Morty where traveling to a dimension that is 1 year behind another is not time travel it's still just jumping between dimensions because they don't actually affect time itself when they enter and leave.
@@coreyeck5266 I would classify blue as the ability to freely manipulate thing’s throughout any time
@TheGamingplayer12 I'd personally agree with you. It seems far too complex to simply call it time travel. Plus, if I'm correct she used it to make herself older, and time travel doesn't do that.
I like how the guy says it can be confusing/daunting looking in from the outside, but as someone who is a fan of the FATE series, I can say it's confusing and daunting from the inside too.
The thing is Fate and the Nasuverse in general may seem initially daunting but the thing is you don't really need to understand everything that is going on to enjoy it. While you do enjoy it more when you do invest in the time and effort into the world its more like additional enjoyment for those that do put in the time and effort rather then a compulsory requirement
Don't worry about the Moon, or any other nearby cestial object. Just... don't worry about it.
Don't worry about the spider also
As some people here have mentioned, Gigguk isn't really the best person to rely on for Fate/Type Moon stuff. Like at all, imo. It's probably better to actually watch stuff from people who actually know a lot more about Fate than him. In fact, Tsiah IV has made a Fate timeline flowchart recently, and while I haven't watched it yet, I have a feeling that it's a lot more better than this. (EDIT: watched it, it's just a rundown + short explanations on an official timeline flowchart that just came out recently. It's good enough for what it is, and I also recommend watching some of his lore videos as well!)
Also, as someone has mentioned, Fate/Grand Order usually has explanations on a bunch of the concepts of the universe, so that people starting off with FGO don't have to go through a whole bunch of stuff except the bare minimum when playing it.
TV Tropes also has an Analysis page on the things relating to the Type Moon universe that I consider a lot better for basic knowledge than the Type Moon Wiki on Fandom, which just straight up sucks except for the bare minimum.
I'm fine with some people asking me for questions about Fate here, by the way. I don't know everything, but I'll try to explain stuff. This universe and its timelines are in the same case with KH for me: it's not that hard to understand!
Thank God, I'm not the only one who thinks about Gigguk in the same way
The most based thing about this comment is the Puyo Puyo pfp
Here's the funny thing, FGO retcons many thing established in Stay Night and other previous Fate stories so even relying on that game to explain things to you is not the best idea.
I recommend otakudaikun's simple guide to fate part 1 & 2 lore 101.
I second this
Fun fact this isn't even the long version Gigguk alone can never summarise entire Nasu verse all on his own within just 30 mins you would need around 5 hrs and above to summarise it
i love it when there is a timeline video
it always begins with: i know nothing about...
21:29 Actually Higurashi has a character stuck in a time loop and she mentions how eventually she’ll grow so mentally old that her brain will deteriorate rapidly and eventually she won’t even be able to remember words and will basically become a vegetable so she needs to fix the loop while she can still function (at least, the game mentioned that but I’m not sure if any of the anime did), so it’s not even a ‘eternity’ thing, it’s a ‘until my brain gives up but my body lives on’ thing
1:35 ok, calling it porn is like calling Game of Thrones porn. Just because it has nudity and sex scenes does not make it porn.
Gigguk becoming increasingly agitated and stressed as the video goes on perfectly encapsulates how I feel when I learn more about the Fate storyline.
Fate fan here happy to explain some things if some people have questions.
Why can Saber beat Goku?
Depends on the saber we are dealing with, but most sabers can't beat Goku IF fighting in fate verse. However in Dragon Ball universe they might be stronger for the "main sabers" ultimate move is powered by all fallen warriors lending the Excalibur their strength. So with stronger warriors means stronger Excalibur. In the end Goku will always win unless he allows the Saber to use their Ultima move on them.
@@ksonarigathanksc3893Depending on which saber (seeing it is a class name, not a servant’s true name) you're referring to. I am assuming Artoria in here. Base Artoria could defeat goku, if and only if goku means harms to the planet/mankind in fate verse. Seeing Excalibur was originally forged as a weapon to protect the planet.
It is considered a divine and conceptual construct. Take into consideration, that Excalibur have thirteen seals. If all are unsealed, the true power of Excalibur can be unleashed. How powerful it is? Well, it managed to take down Sefar (a Complex Multiuniversal threat, which dwarves anything in DB verse so far).
Also, the planet in Fate is far far different than DB. It has protective measures that suppress servants like Gaia (The will of the planet itself) and Alaya (The collective consciousness of humanity) which weakens servants like Artoria. Unlike DB, where the planets don't have a will of their own hence they're easier to destroy.
If we took both goku and Artoria at their full power, without interferences from the Counter Force, Artoria solos DB verse let alone Goku. Don'tmind the guy above me, he probably hasn't read and played the games/novels.
This is the same guy that said gundam timeline is worse than fate series when it's literally toddler level of complicated. And he's still doesn't change his mind about it now.
ngl i did a double take when pat called gigguk mr anime
Fun fact: In the Grand Order timeline, someone FINALLY wins a holy grail war.
And it's even funnier because out of all things, he simply wished for money
Two people have used the grail to my knowledge, neither to get to the Root. Miyuverse Shirou uses it to transport Miyu to the Illyaverse where she wouldn't get exploited for her powers and Chaldea's founder used it to get filthy rich and found Chaldea (and maybe try to take over the world)
About Illegal Servants: Basically the Holy Grail had many limitation put there by an extremely powerful mage that helped to create the system to keep the fight fair (only heroes of history, no Gods, no Monsters, no Anti-Heroes, only member of the Assassin Clan can be summoned as Assassin), so when the Ainzbern tried to summon the Angra Maiyuu (The Zoroastrian god of Darkness and Evil) because they were tired of losing, the Grail went "well i cannot summon a God, let me check history" and found a normal guy who was worshipped as Angra Mainyuu by the population of a village and summoned him, giving him basically nerfed version of what the actual God would have.
When he was killed, his soul went back into the Grail (since he was a normal human, he wasn't recorded in the Throne of Heroes aka a huge collection of all the heroes that lived/live/will live throught human history and so he remained in the Grail), waiting to be birthed once more and overwriting many of the limitation.
Angra Maiyuu is the weakest servant that they could have summoned, i stutter to think what someone like Kiara Sesshoin (a woman who reached Enlightenment and became one with the universe and wants to force the whole universe to love her unconditionally like a mother would) or a Tamamo Koyanskaya (a Nature Spirit born from the anguish and pain of all the creature that died persecuted by humanity as a whole) could have done to the Grail
Pat's gonna go insane with all these lore videos.
Describing Gilgamesh as a Tory is the most on point description of him from someone who's never seen the show I've ever heard.
in case anyone is actually confused by Gigguk's dogwater explanation here: just start with the Stay Night and Hollow Ataraxia visual novels, they make everything super clear and easy to understand and serve as a great base for all the spinoffs, the whole "Fate is so complicated" meme started cuz people just refused to start the franchise at the starting point lol
That video has done irrepairable damage to the western perception of fate as a whole.
See, that's the whole problem. There are people who do not care for visual novels, for some reason or another. And when we tell those people "Just start with the visual novel" when they specifically ask where to start the ANIME, that's not very welcoming. I happen to be one of those people, and you can be absolutely certain I would have never gotten into this franchise if someone just told me "Start with the VN".
And the whole confusion specifically comes from the fact people can't agree on where to start watching the anime adaptations. Some recommend UBW, some recommend Zero, some, rarer, might even recommend Deen (which is actually where I started).
The whole mistake of the fandom, I think, is that every fan will have their single "correct" answer, and newcomers need to figure out who's right, which I believe is what created the whole meme. But the reality is, everyone is different, everyone has different preferences and tastes when it comes to entertainment. Not every story of how someone got into the franchise is going to be the same. And that's okay. We should embrace that.
I think we could just take the 3-4 options people recommend the most (which are UBW, Zero, the visual novel, and yes, I'm gonna include Deen, even though it might not be wise of me), and just say something like "Look, if you're fine with VNs, start with the VN, but if you're not, then here are the options, and their upsides and downsides". I think we also sometimes assume the newcomers are gonna be too dumb to be able to judge a few different options, but I'm convinced there are ways to do it simply. At the very least, it's definitely better than saying "Just start wherever", leaving the newcomer with too many options, or battling it out like "This is THE correct way to do this!!!" "No, THIS is the correct way!!!", leaving the newcomer to figure out who's right.
...With all that being said, I think we can all agree Garnt's video is NOT a good introduction.
His video is not introducing the fate franchise..... It never was. It's about explaining the timeline to people who either needs a recap or already into it
@@Mercure250 I would disagree with you saying that it is unwise to have someone start with DEEN Fate (as long as it's the Fate route adaptation and not the UBW movie), it's the first route and it sets up the lore and world building for the other two routes, you'd be way less confused going into the other two routes by watching it first if you're anime only.
Just cause it's a 2006 anime with average animation doesn't mean it's bad.
@@thegamerfe8751 Sure, I mean, that's where I started, and it turned out OK for me. But I can also see why people wouldn't want to recommend it. I purposefully left the question open, because I believe being more open about the way we recommend titles of this franchise to newcomers is what Fate fans need at this point.
(Also, yes, by "Deen", I meant the adaptation of the Fate route, not the Deen adaptation of UBW, there's basically no reason to recommend this one since the UFOtable version exists lol)
Basically:
There is a main mainline with three routes. The rest are additional works, some of which get mainline treatment, some get mainline spin off treatment, some get normal spin off treatment and some are fun extra stuff. Good luck figuring out what is what outside of the original Fate/Stay Night routes.
Do not ask about the rest of the Nasuverse until you have solved this web first. Only Neco-Arc understands that madness completely.
One is the rule book, the other are rules breaker
I love how he didn't even bring up the the enigma that is Saber
10:59 why have i never seen this "DoNt wOrRy AbOUT iT" before gigguk's video came out?
36:00 Heaven's Feel and Witch on the Holy Night:
*whistling innocently*
The easiest way to explain Fate timeline shenanigans is that the authors and illustrators are otaku who love their characters too much, so they'll quite literally break space and time to bring them into other stories where they shouldn't exist.
The good old 'Where there's an Archer Emiya, there's a Cu and vice versa'
I got into Fate back when the first anime came out. It was supposed to be a short romp and a small part of my life. That's all it was supposed to be.
now we have evolved to fate's most powerful form, summer barghest
But Pat, you can do a Fate/Grand Order Nuzlocke
To me, the hardest part of explaining the nasuverse is that explaining the most simple thing will lead to me mentioning a word the other person doesn't understand. So just explain it first, right? Well, that also has another word. And before long I forgot where I was while going on tangent on the most irrelevant info ;_;
If you want a more in-depth analysis, there is a video summary of all 3 routes that's not hard to find. Alternatively, OtakuDaiKun has a series telling everything in a chronological order (at least per series). I like it because he tells us plot twists sometimes that make the first experience less confusing and more intense (I think it's called Hitchcock's bomb or something? Something about if you know there is a bomb under the table you will feel tense due to people not knowing about the bomb, so you are waiting for it to explode)
Me explaining to my family about Gilgamesh then ends up explaining the holy grail war.
Honestly, trying to make sense of Fate is a lot like a more inbreed version of the Legend of Zelda. There's a lot of recurring elements (see the various Links versus the various Sabers, or Extra Rin), but ultimately most instalments are pretty self contained and not meant to be fit into a singular timeline. (Not like that has ever stopped anyone.) The way to get into it is to just pick one of them and go from there, unless you play the game with the time loop, which is a direct sequel.
Anyway, I just want to reminds people that Hollow Ataraxia has a minigame including another parallel universe where the Holy Grail War is just a Yugioh Battle City parody and everybody is playing cards. (Specifically Hanafuda)
That one dude in the chat going “plap plap plap” had me crying 28:58
You put it too late, its actually 28:46 but that guy is unfathomably based.
Emiya's theme is peak anime music
love all the different variations of the theme
Here to add more info (to my understanding)
While the original game did have porn, it’s was hilariously cringey and only added to increase sales
Gilgamesh would not be a Tory, he would call the Tories mongrels, destroy Buckingham, and then proclaim himself king
(He’s actually kind of cool once you meet him though)
Angry mango is canonically the weakest servant in the franchise being pretty much powerless against spectral beings (like servants) despite this he’s actually like a top character in the verse when it comes to killing humans
The mana transfer joke comes from the fact that servants can quickly gain mana via a mana transfer from a human, and this comes in the form of bodily liquids, like blood, or “yogurt”, this is the excuse for the H scenes in the original
Fate grand order basically has you going back in time since human history was destroyed by one of king Solomons demons since he got sad by humans killing each other, he does this by causing holy grails to pop up in places their not supposed to resulting in bad things happening like a war between Queen Med b of Irish legend and Thomas Edison’s robot army in 19th century America
Honestly highly recommend one of my favorites of all time
Feel free to ask any questions and I’ll try to answer
Technically, while Angra is weaker, I think Shakespeare is the worst servant you can EVER summon. Dude not simply worthless, he can be actually harmful to his own summoner. At least, Angra can survive against mages, unlike Shakespeare who can die to a third rate mage.
@@xpotoh356 oh yeah their are many servants who are actively more harmful towards you like most casters and berserkers, but in terms of raw combat ability Angri Mainu is the worst against non humans
@@narwaler2898 Yeah, with Shakespeare you at least can use CS and force him to use his NP, to buy some time before he die, but it basically impossible with Angra since even with Verg Avesta, enemy master (if there's nearby) is still a threat.
1:57 that's the fun part in fate. Alternate realities and timelines are still connected and can influence other universes.
Like that one time a servants alternate self stole her pet
The craziest thing is we now know the entire timelines yet know nothing about what actually happens in any of them!
I like gigguk but i hope this is the last video he made about fate since he suck at it.
Wise words☝
He didn't mention that the moon holy grail war in the digital world was a fortnite-style battle royale with 128 master/servant pairs
I'm a newer fate fan just got into it in 2018 cause my best friend recommended to me I'm 24. It's not that hard to understand really Fate stay night was originally visual novel which spanned into a popular franchise mostly in japan I be it it's pretty niche in the west. In fate stay night you can just read the vn and you'll pretty much understand the series everything else is a spinoff or it's own thing and can be consumed in any order after reading all three routes of the vn. This misconception that fate is difficult to understand and to get into needs to be put down cause it turns many new potential fans of the franchise away.
Good/Bad news, there is a Fate series that takes place in the in Norway called Fate: Lost Einherjar which happens after Apocrypha, and another fate series called Fate/Samurai that takes place during the Tokugawa regime era...it's expanding even more. 😰
If you want to know more about the intricacies of Fate lore, I'd recommend OtakuDaiKun's Lessons in Magecraft series. It goes over a lot of the different mechanics of the Nasuverse, like True Magic, the different types of vampires, the Holy Grail, Servants, etc.
I recommend his simple guide to fate part 1 & 2 lore 101.
Explaining things in chronological order is actually way more complicated than just explaining things in story release order.
I agree with what Gigguk said at 36:45, to some extent. If you like visual novels, start with the original Fate/Stay Night and Fate/Hollow Ataraxia visual novels as they are the source material for pretty much everything else Fate. But for those of use who don't really enjoy VNs that much, the easiest way to get into the whole Fate multiverse is to watch Fate/Zero and Unlimited Blade Works (in either order, as the watch order of these two shows is constantly debated), then watch Heaven's Feel, then watch/read/play anything you want.
Reminder: Just because a video is "Popular" it doesn't mean its good. Anytime Gigguk touched fate, he just makes it more complicated.
How did he make it more complicated? It didn't seem more than confusing than it already was.
Yeh. At any case, fate will be confusing if you tried explaining the timelines and concepts in it in any detail.
This is the same guy that said gundam timeline is worse than fate series when it has done standalone series for the longest time like witch of mercury.
@@bluestarcmdr350 It's not that confusing. It's just that the fanbase doesn't agree which is objectively the best watch order for anime onlies.
To be honest, the original Fate/Stay Night VN (Realta Nua) is the best entry point to the Fate series (not counting other non-Fate works) but most people don't like reading visual novels anyways.
Also, most concepts presented here are explained within each series. Trust me, if you're actually paying attention to the series, it's really not that much confusing.
@@razzildarkbrew1952 I would take it simpler, suggest based of the genre the other person like, timeline be dammed. The world is complicated and it shouldn't determine what you watch. Like, they couldn't just have normal vampires in their universe but be something with multiple wiki pages to explain how they work.
"If everything is Canon, then everything is."
- Pat
"Hey, that's hell you're walking into"
"What is the plot"
Patterrz: Don't worry about it.
Yep, that summarizes everything lmao
Weird thing about this video is it doesn't really start with the actual timeliness but instead the complicated motivation related stuff where if they tell you it's at the very end of any given story.
The best thing in the vid is him calling Zouken a wrinkly Cabbage
This is literally the wrong video to watch when you are just getting into Fate.
agreed
DO NOT WIN THE HOLY GRAIL. You know that weak Servant Angra Mainyu? He corrupted the grail after his death and now he is part of the grail itself and one of the most powerful beings.
The technical definition given by Nasu is that magecraft can replicate any feat that humanity can with all of its efforts and knowledge, and magic can go beyond that. However this definition is not consistently applied through the series because AFAIK we can't grow artificial humans with the strength of 40 men but that's absolutely a thing you can do in Fate with magecraft. Provided your last name is Einzbern, of course.
The definition that I find applies consistently is that magecraft broadly obeys the laws of physics (not like all of them but more than not and we can assume that the broken laws are artistic license) but acts as a shortcut. A good analogy is if you wanted a light a candle across the room. You could walk over there, take out a lighter, turn it on, and then light the candle. But you could also use magecraft to expend the equivalent amount of (magical) energy to spontaneously manifest fire at the tip of the candle. If you had the right type of magic (since each type of magic has certain things it can and can't do) you could light the candle without expending that energy or at least with expending less than would be physically possible otherwise even with perfect efficiency.
This universe is so expansive I literally watched this back in April, and I could still watch the entire thing feeling like I didn't know anything.
Just watch it and the more you enjoy you‘ll watch like other more niche fate stuff
Thanks For this part! Huge fate fan!
I watched fate zero, fate stay night (2006), fate UBW, and fate heavens feel, but no where the term 'Akasha' was even mentioned once lol
As a veteran i still find it funny af the he chose Shirou to represent Alaya. If you really wanna know Fate Lore, OtakuDaiKun is your man
I dare someone to try and explain the moon to him
BAHAH not it
"Should I be taking notes" is too real after Unlimited Blade Works Abridged episode 11
11:00 Funny thing about this is that if the characters don't have a reason to fight each other, they will all canonically act like this other than 1 or 2 of them.
the best one i can reccomand even if you don't know the characters please please try today's menu with the emiya family where the main focus is learning about the food they make and thats all
I just got this on my recommendation. I’m a big fate fan and Gigguk fan. I wasn’t expecting pat to watch this video lmao
FSN is a self-contained work and any other work after the original VN are basically alternate universes and spinoffs that tangentially relate back to the original with a similar premise and recurring characters(?) and concepts. That's it.
You kept asking why nobody got the Holy Grail, and while I'm about the furthest thing from a Fate expert I _think_ I've picked up enough bits and pieces through Internet Osmosis over the years to answer that.
The Holy Grail is basically a magical capacitor. It's job is to build up a magic charge for the winner of the Holy Grail War to use to do something crazy, like punch a hole to Akasha. It _gathers_ this charge from the magic/life force of the Servants that die during the Holy Grail War. And like a capacitor, if it goes too long without discharging it'll slowly bleed the charge it has until it can't discharge.
So the reason nobody stole it in between Holy Grail Wars is because it wouldn't be charged and they wouldn't have a way to charge it. And since Gigguk mentioned that they "ran out of time" in one of the Holy Grail Wars, I'm assuming they took too long for someone to win that it didn't hold enough of a charge for the remaining Servants to top it off, and since one of the Holy Grail Wars specifically had _everyone_ die, I'm assuming that the reason nobody's won it is just down to none of the attempts finishing within the available time frame with a survivor to _use_ the Holy Grail.
But again, this is just me cludging together things from Gigguk's video and bits gained through Internet Osmosis.
And then there is this one master who casually has one or two holy grails in their mail box and several of them lying in inventory.
Youre pretty much correct. And techicley somone DID win the fourth grail war...but the Grail was corruptet by the angry mango so he orderd his servant too destroy it, wich also happens at the end of each route of Stay Night, and we know that a few years later Rin dismantles the entire thing because she relised its not worth it. Heck....it probably cant even GET too the Root so all those deaths are fore nothing.
Uhh, IIRC It's kinda not true? In fate stay night, it's said that since no wish was made on 4th war, meant the recharge time between wars was shortened. It took like 10 years between that and 5th war.
For context,
First war was in 1810
Second in 1860
Third in 1939
Fourth in 1994
Fifth in 2004
Gaps of 50, 79, 55 and 10 years.
"What is the plot?.... don't worry about it."
chad response
19:07 a nucklear bomb would be incredibly weak as a servant tho
as the average servant has their own nuke level abillity
and thats just the average ones
On a presentation level, Mary Sue comes in swinging quoting Oppenheimer.
Well, you’re a very brave one
Maybe read Witch on the Holy Night a VN that you can buy for your switch right now. It's a story that covers an actual true magician. Do you need to do anything prior to playing that? No. So if your primarily interested in seeing true magic all you need to do is play that. Though its a story that has nothing to do with Fate except being part of the same world
Exactly and he should play tsukihime
Pat is gonna have a fun time learning how close the world is ending in all of the timelines
There's currently 5 (true) Magic in the series that can be summarized into these
1. Power to create something out of nothing (violation of the first thermodynamics law)
2. Power to operate, observe, and travel between Parallel Worlds (is why there's multiverses in the series)
3. Power to materialize soul (the reason Holy Grail can summon a spirit of heroes)
4. is still unknown
5. Power to mess with the laws of conservation, time travel, consumption and extinction (simply just the violation of the second thermodynamics law)
I love the Haruhi OST playing at the end.
I just listened to The Ultimate Showdown the other day at work and damn did it bring back memories.
I LOVE THE FATE VISUAL NOVELS I LOVE THE NASUVERSE I LOVE MELTY BLOOD ARCUIED NATION UNITEEEEEEEEE
In fate apocrypha ruler (amakusa Shirou an illegal servant) got the grail and wished to give the entirety of humanity true magic but the main character dident agree so they chucked the grail into space