It would be fascinating to have the book of Lehi and the first couple chapters of Mosiah. I like how he brings up some of the pieces we do know were lost with the 116 pages of the manuscript. Also, to all the haters in the comments, no has ever claimed that the temple ordinances have ever been written down in any book of scripture in the history of the world. Such items are of a sacred nature that precludes their inclusion in scripture. He only claims that more details and clues to the nature of Nephite temple worship were probably a part of the lost portion and lays out such evidence as exists.
There was a temple (with stone columns) found in Tennessee. It was thought to be Egyptian. It was discovered while excavating a Hopewell mound. The temple site is underwater, as the Norris Dam created a reservoir covering the temple. Probably just a coincidence:)
Fantastic! What is the status of his book about the lost 116 pages? Some sites list it as being published in 2012 and now out of print (along with an ISBN number for it); here he says that he is still working on it. Will it be at Amazon and Deseret when it comes out? Is there a FB page or anything? Thanks!
No one on earth can bring back the 116 lost pages. Those are scriptures, the Lords words that were lost. If the Lord wanted to reveal those back to us He would of course. Members of The Church know this. Thank you for the study that goes deep into these important topics!
Rich Allen The reasons are: God knew that Satan will try to discredit Joseph Smith, and the main one will be that Our Father in Heaven knows the future, and because of that, His work will not be frustrated. Doctrine and Covenants section 10: 6,12,14
Rich Allen, the pages were lost when Joseph's scribe and benefactor, Martin Harris, about 46 years old at the time, required them to prove to his wife, Lucy, that they were doing the work of the Lord. She was becoming hostile; and deeply suspicious that Joseph, about half his age was taking advantage of her husband. Joseph received two answers to his prayer that Martin should not take the manuscript before finally receiving a very strictly qualified approval, explicitly requiring that Martin only show them to a few named family members. Martin broke his promise and the manuscript was lost. The resultant speculation held that Lucy hid the manuscript for her own purposes. This event is instructive in many ways, including what happens when the agency of man conflicts with the purposes of God, divine fate, etc.
Maxwell, You have a perspective which I cannot support. I am just running through opposite cases in my mind. The masses shouting to crucify the Savior would certainly like to justify their actions with that perspective. The fact that Jesus was crucified does not indicate that they were in the right. On the other hand, millions have been killed by bigotry. The perpetrators would like to justify themselves, with that kind of logic. The fact that the killers were allowed to get away with it for such a long time without a curse put on them or struck dead, does not prove anything. I think what looks, smells, and tastes like a fraud to one person can very well look, smell, and taste like the work of God to another person. Maxwell Silverhammer said: Or, perhaps what happens when something look, smells, and tastes like a fraud, and action is taken. Note that God never placed a curse on Lucy or struck her dead. I think satan was the one who was offended at her actions.
Maybe so you would ask that question. The plan is a perfect plan. We don't always know the reasons and we don't have to. But look how that story has changed the way we view doctrine and how many questions it has inspired and so much more.
The plates were a gift from heaven that Moroni warned Joseph with very specific conditions regarding Joseph's rights to access them and upon what conditions they could be accessed and to what purpose. They were not to be an item of dispute or competition. Martin Harris's wife demanded several times to see them in ongoing dissatisfaction and disapproval of her husbands helping Joseph. God did not make Mrs. Harris's approval the condition of His work of restoration. To put a heavenly gift and work of great importance at the mercy of demands and whims was not only inappropriate but irresponsible, and an act of pandering the the "crowd" or desire for worldly approval. When sacred work or gifts or commandments and put first to the scrutiny of the crowd rather than treasured and and obeyed, the treasure is taken off the table. This is a true principle in general. In this specific case, the Lord explains in Doctrine and Covenants the technical reasons in this specific situation, that this action had opened up the door to rivalry and conflict that would result in a destruction of the message the plates contained. In reading the Book of Mormon, you'll notice its contributers praying and fasting and pleading with the Lord to preserve their words for their brethren in the future. He honored their request by preserving them to come up as words "crying from the dust" in their purity. They were not to be suffered to be adulterated, changed, or have conflicting multiple translations. The smithsonian didn't find them and open them up to the conflicting world to render their message debatable, contentious, and eventually null. They were to be brought up in the Lords own way and time at a time when the Gosple would not be taken from the earth again - They had to make it. The bible has been changed and interpreted and disputed and argued over for hundreds of years. This book however appears to be a one-time shot- A farmer kid digs it up out of the ground by the instruction of an angel and translates it by heavenly means; take it or leave it. That is quite the Pepsi Challenge. A committe didn't review them. No outside interests were weighed in. No "Reformed Egyptian Specialists" were consulted. Multiple versions of translation were not out there for the feedback of others. Such exposure to the crowd would surely have adulterated that purity. Worldly approval, so hard for us not to be swayed by, was not to be consulted- only revealed instructions to obeyd. Whether a demanding, dissatisfied wife, or an inteligent scholar, or a conspiracy with private interests; any such reversal of obescience would lead to a perversion of the content and its miraculous coming forth as it would introduce the private interests and sway of those parties and individuals into what needed to be a pure revelation. I'd recommend reading the Lord's explanation of how it would have played out if Joseph had made another attempt at translating them after they had been stolen, and then released it. You can run it through in your mind first and try and imagine how that might go down, based on what you know of human nature. Some guys steal q hard copy of his translation counting on him trying it a second time. What will they do then? It's a really interesting lesson in human nature and how God (the Law) protects certain things from being corrupted. Our desire for approval and affirmation from the crowd, or the big guys at work, or a hot chick, have often lead us to sacrifice what is pure and sacred to us in an frenzy for external approval. The effect is destructive, and the reward illusory.
@@esmeraldagreen1992 thats ridiculous don bradley is a god send he is helping tons of youth regain their spiritual fire after they have been decieved by the whitewashing of church history. Pioneer Mormonism is dead weve all grown up but we can still appreciate putting our shoulder to the wheel and the sacrifice of the ones before but the cats out of the bag. Im greatful for men like this, and wish this church had less narrow minded judgemental people like u.
Another fantastic video! Thank you!
Excellent talk providing wonderful insights into the lost content of the 116 pp.
As always, Don’s presentations are always good.
It would be fascinating to have the book of Lehi and the first couple chapters of Mosiah. I like how he brings up some of the pieces we do know were lost with the 116 pages of the manuscript. Also, to all the haters in the comments, no has ever claimed that the temple ordinances have ever been written down in any book of scripture in the history of the world. Such items are of a sacred nature that precludes their inclusion in scripture. He only claims that more details and clues to the nature of Nephite temple worship were probably a part of the lost portion and lays out such evidence as exists.
At: 15:00 he starts
Rodrigo Cunha, thank you for your kind service!
There was a temple (with stone columns) found in Tennessee. It was thought to be Egyptian. It was discovered while excavating a Hopewell mound. The temple site is underwater, as the Norris Dam created a reservoir covering the temple. Probably just a coincidence:)
Wow! My imagination has been stimulated. I hadn't realized that we could figure out that much about the 116 pages!
haha.
Fantastic! What is the status of his book about the lost 116 pages? Some sites list it as being published in 2012 and now out of print (along with an ISBN number for it); here he says that he is still working on it. Will it be at Amazon and Deseret when it comes out? Is there a FB page or anything? Thanks!
No one on earth can bring back the 116 lost pages. Those are scriptures, the Lords words that were lost. If the Lord wanted to reveal those back to us He would of course. Members of The Church know this.
Thank you for the study that goes deep into these important topics!
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what is the reason the pages were lost?
Rich Allen The reasons are: God knew that Satan will try to discredit Joseph Smith, and the main one will be that Our Father in Heaven knows the future, and because of that, His work will not be frustrated. Doctrine and Covenants section 10: 6,12,14
Rich Allen, the pages were lost when Joseph's scribe and benefactor, Martin Harris, about 46 years old at the time, required them to prove to his wife, Lucy, that they were doing the work of the Lord. She was becoming hostile; and deeply suspicious that Joseph, about half his age was taking advantage of her husband. Joseph received two answers to his prayer that Martin should not take the manuscript before finally receiving a very strictly qualified approval, explicitly requiring that Martin only show them to a few named family members. Martin broke his promise and the manuscript was lost. The resultant speculation held that Lucy hid the manuscript for her own purposes. This event is instructive in many ways, including what happens when the agency of man conflicts with the purposes of God, divine fate, etc.
Maxwell, You have a perspective which I cannot support. I am just running through opposite cases in my mind. The masses shouting to crucify the Savior would certainly like to justify their actions with that perspective. The fact that Jesus was crucified does not indicate that they were in the right. On the other hand, millions have been killed by bigotry. The perpetrators would like to justify themselves, with that kind of logic. The fact that the killers were allowed to get away with it for such a long time without a curse put on them or struck dead, does not prove anything. I think what looks, smells, and tastes like a fraud to one person can very well look, smell, and taste like the work of God to another person.
Maxwell Silverhammer said:
Or, perhaps what happens when something look, smells, and tastes like a fraud, and action is taken. Note that God never placed a curse on Lucy or struck her dead. I think satan was the one who was offended at her actions.
Maybe so you would ask that question. The plan is a perfect plan. We don't always know the reasons and we don't have to. But look how that story has changed the way we view doctrine and how many questions it has inspired and so much more.
The plates were a gift from heaven that Moroni warned Joseph with very specific conditions regarding Joseph's rights to access them and upon what conditions they could be accessed and to what purpose. They were not to be an item of dispute or competition. Martin Harris's wife demanded several times to see them in ongoing dissatisfaction and disapproval of her husbands helping Joseph. God did not make Mrs. Harris's approval the condition of His work of restoration. To put a heavenly gift and work of great importance at the mercy of demands and whims was not only inappropriate but irresponsible, and an act of pandering the the "crowd" or desire for worldly approval. When sacred work or gifts or commandments and put first to the scrutiny of the crowd rather than treasured and and obeyed, the treasure is taken off the table. This is a true principle in general.
In this specific case, the Lord explains in Doctrine and Covenants the technical reasons in this specific situation, that this action had opened up the door to rivalry and conflict that would result in a destruction of the message the plates contained.
In reading the Book of Mormon, you'll notice its contributers praying and fasting and pleading with the Lord to preserve their words for their brethren in the future. He honored their request by preserving them to come up as words "crying from the dust" in their purity. They were not to be suffered to be adulterated, changed, or have conflicting multiple translations. The smithsonian didn't find them and open them up to the conflicting world to render their message debatable, contentious, and eventually null. They were to be brought up in the Lords own way and time at a time when the Gosple would not be taken from the earth again - They had to make it. The bible has been changed and interpreted and disputed and argued over for hundreds of years. This book however appears to be a one-time shot- A farmer kid digs it up out of the ground by the instruction of an angel and translates it by heavenly means; take it or leave it. That is quite the Pepsi Challenge. A committe didn't review them. No outside interests were weighed in. No "Reformed Egyptian Specialists" were consulted. Multiple versions of translation were not out there for the feedback of others. Such exposure to the crowd would surely have adulterated that purity. Worldly approval, so hard for us not to be swayed by, was not to be consulted- only revealed instructions to obeyd. Whether a demanding, dissatisfied wife, or an inteligent scholar, or a conspiracy with private interests; any such reversal of obescience would lead to a perversion of the content and its miraculous coming forth as it would introduce the private interests and sway of those parties and individuals into what needed to be a pure revelation. I'd recommend reading the Lord's explanation of how it would have played out if Joseph had made another attempt at translating them after they had been stolen, and then released it. You can run it through in your mind first and try and imagine how that might go down, based on what you know of human nature. Some guys steal q hard copy of his translation counting on him trying it a second time. What will they do then?
It's a really interesting lesson in human nature and how God (the Law) protects certain things from being corrupted. Our desire for approval and affirmation from the crowd, or the big guys at work, or a hot chick, have often lead us to sacrifice what is pure and sacred to us in an frenzy for external approval. The effect is destructive, and the reward illusory.
What he could not afford to buy his own copy?
I would like to see the lost pages added to the Book of Mormon but I wouldn’t do it unless the lord OK’s it
@@esmeraldagreen1992 thats ridiculous don bradley is a god send he is helping tons of youth regain their spiritual fire after they have been decieved by the whitewashing of church history. Pioneer Mormonism is dead weve all grown up but we can still appreciate putting our shoulder to the wheel and the sacrifice of the ones before but the cats out of the bag. Im greatful for men like this, and wish this church had less narrow minded judgemental people like u.