A man filled with the love of God is not content with blessing his family alone, but ranges through the whole world, anxious to bless the whole human race.
I like his humble approach. You know this. Is very helpful as well, because it saves time for all of us who can’t sit and read important things like this.
I am hoping we get to see more of Bro. Dirkmaat. I love his fun attitude and his depth of knowledge. He has not had the opportunity to present his work as often as others and I hope he is called back again. For those that feel he should take a speech class, well, there other speakers you can find to listen to, as for myself I can't wait to listen to him again. @FairMormon please invite Bro. Dirkmaat back!
I love to hear about the beloved Prophet Joseph. I testify that he was a true prophet of God. Things are coming to pass now that he prophecied. Rich treasures of knowledge and spirit will come to those who will not harden their heart to his message and translation of the Book of Mormon.
This is the third time I've listened to this. Learning and relearning the history of Joseph Smith gives a realism to who he is and was. It builds my testimony of the truth he taught. The anti Mormon authors cleverly paint a picture of Joseph Smith as a scoundrel as they ignore written history of his true nature. They convince many people of falsehoods. But, honest truth seekers somehow understand that searching several sources or original sources gives one much more information than a lone squealing voice of a tainted story or two.
@@rossironmonger2221 Really? Listen to the still small voice and you will find truth. The still small voice is spoken of in the Old Testament. Search and you will find it.
When I watch this, I am uplifted by how such man, even Joseph Smith, was inspired and wise; a true man of God. It completely contrasts against what the critics draw about him.
@@joshuakelley2882 if you'd read the actual records, you'd know that this is not what happened. (Unless you are knowingly spewing misleading information?) And while we are in the topic of FairMormon, and for your own benefit, here are more information about this subject : www.fairmormon.org/answers/Joseph_Smith/Polygamy/Did_Joseph_Smith_coerce_women_to_marry_him
@@jerrysutton7293 I am not accusing Mr. Kelley of anything, and you shouldn't also. The Savior said : "Judge not, that ye be not judged." (Matt. 7:1) Eventually, Latter-day Saints in the early days of the Church, did succumb to this kind of accusatory behavior from the harassment and all the persecutions (and I do not blame them for it), but what did it bring? We should know better, today. I personally try to apply the counsel of the Apostle Paul : "And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing." (1 Cor. 13:2) Sincerely.
Jerry Sutton call me what you like, it makes no difference to me. But before you call me those things, you should probably study the church history. If you like fairmormon, you should also read their findings. www.fairmormon.org/answers/Question:_Did_Joseph_claim_that_an_angel_threatened_him_with_a_%22drawn_sword%22_or_%22flaming_sword%22_if_a_woman_refused_to_marry_him%3F Here is a link to one of their articles about the angel with a sword. He did say those things. Whether or not he actually saw this angel and was carrying out gods commands, as I’m sure you will believe, or he made it up so he could marry young women who where already married in order to use them as a sexual resource, as I believe, is the only real question.
have you lived in others states, I have, and am a convert to LDS. I've listened to whining of co-worker professional scientists and engineers who complain about trivial things in the state, other than that, they would rather live here than where they came from for many reason. There is a strong presence of the LDS church, and there is also a very strong antagonism in state entities and some groups.
You mormons are so brainwashed you repeat the same words every time. Do you think that if you repeat that lie over and over you'll finally be convinced it's true?
2326038 How is your statement any different from the one you are objecting to? Each of you are stating what you believe. The reality is that nobody actually knows the answers here. We’re all just coming up with our best.
Jason Lewis Yes, I’ve read and studied the historical fiction you referenced. Why is it historical fiction? Because non-fiction would require actually checking facts. What both authors did was, instead of checking facts between firsthand accounts and hearsay, and, then of course, qualifying anything as hearsay as actually, wait for it, hearsay. Instead, they just went with the hearsay accounts because it made for more interesting reading and better book sales. Brodie, at least, was a tiny bit more honest about her work and agreed that it was psychobiography. She was also a fan of T.H. White’s psychohistory of the mythical King Arthur, published in 1938 (prior to her work) and much later compiled into what became known as Once and Future King. Your argument about church “history” has a few problems because of all this. But the biggest problem is that it is all irrelevant. It is a fallacy to claim that only a perfect man can create a great work. So, yes we can argue about the validity/historicity of the works that you mentioned. Since much of what the Mormon Conspiracy Theorists put out is based on pretty shaky grounds, much of it can be dismissed as conjecture with no proof. At the end of the day though, Joseph Smith’s reputation (and the works you mention are essentially treatments of his reputation in some circles rather than what we would normally call history) has no relevance in discussing the validity of the Book of Mormon or Book of Abraham, and so on.
@@2326038 2326038 1 year ago You anti-mormons are so brainwashed you repeat the same words every time. Do you think that if you repeat that lie over and over you'll finally be convinced it's true?
Amazing how Mormon theology changes with the wind. When US. Congress refused to allow Utah statehood, due to polygamy & pedophilia .God came to the Mormon church and told them to give up multiple wives & sex with children... In1978, Jessie Jackson led a planned Salt Lake City protest of Blacks non admission to the priesthood & the temple. 100,000 Black men were organizing a protest in Utah of racist Mormon church teachings; Then, that same year, God then came to the Mormon church and told them black people were now okay. For 180 years, Mormon church taught hateful things towards Gays. Now in 2023, after bad press, God has told the Mormon church to back off the condemnation of Gays...Interesting timing of God's revelations & heat the Mormon Church was feeling.
“Sex with children” um….unfounded lie. If I’m to guess where your erroneous comment is coming from, then I’m assuming you are referring to 14 year old brides. Illinois state law in the 1820s thru smiths life established the minimal marriage age for women at 14, without requiring parental consent. You were a minor until your 14th birthday. There also is zero evidence the marriages were consummated. Times change. Correlation doesn’t equal causation though. No evidence exists of God sanctioning gay marriage; in fact, evidence shows he destroyed societies at the peak of wickedness, which includes gay marriage (Canaanites, Noah’s society)
Perhaps the most hateful mindset is that of the religion critic... the Haters. They expend so much energy trying to discredit and berate those who choose to be religious. The anti-religious are a religion or cult unto themselves. Don't like the LDS church? Don't be part of it and get on with your life. But what's most telling is how inconsequential and petty the criticisms are. Especially those against LDS which is such a positive, proactive and professional organization.
Look mormon, whenever anyone dares to tell the truth about mormonism they get called haters and anti mormon. Stop with your BS. Your last sentence is a joke!!!!
What seems to be equally as hateful is the religious criticizing the religious; It's like my friend fact check asked, how many kinds of Jesus's are out there. it seems like every religion has its own take on the identity and will of Jesus. Oh well, it's been over 2000 years since he was last seen, so who really knows anymore. While with us he did set a supreme example of how all people, especially his believers, should treat each other; so the hateful nonsense needs to stop.
@@2326038 Joseph Smith was the 1st of millions who were yet to follow where nothing could be told or communicated. The fact that his wife Emma stayed behind after the rest left Nauvoo suggests something revelatory about Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, and others unable to hear anything other than their own cultish agreements.
Never address an audience with “I’ve never done this before, so bear with me,” or, “I apologize if I do a bad job.” You never gain sympathizers this way, and people withdraw whatever confidence they had in you. Even if you feel intimidated, never show it. Never hand anyone something bad to think about you. And then he does even more self-sabotage: “If we run over at the end & have no time for Q & A, ya just run off the stage & no one knows ya don’t know anything.” “I won’t seem so schizophrenic.” Oh my gosh dude, take a speech class!
I am an excellent public speaker and often complemented for such. However, I do not have but a fraction of the knowledge as possessed by Bro. Dirkmaat. Nor do I have the ability or patience to do the required research. As such, I would gladly trade much of the former for a good dose of the latter. Thank you to each and EVERY speaker at these conferences regardless of their presentation abilities.
it says in the last days your sons and daughters will prophesy into you what is it that they prophesy into you if not God's will for the church but I believe you're adding to some of the things you don't really quite understand either
Please don't fall into the PC trap again, calling Brigham Young a chairperson, even if it's a female the term is Chairman. You say the word chairperson, that is an affront to the English language. And it doesn't make anybody feel better it really doesn't.
Joseph Smith was a young boy, when he walked into the woods to pray to God, and ask the question, "Which church is true?" Then 》》》 FIRST DARKNESS was upon him, then stood before him, Two personages of light. Satan and his ministers can appear as personages of light. Joseph Smith knew NOT HOW TO TEST THE SPIRITS. "AND the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed. .... " Isaiah 29: 11 Even to this day, LDS reference this scripture to prove the Book of Mormon is true, the church is true "Therefore, behold. .... : FOR the wisdom of their wise men, shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid. " Isaiah 29: 14 How true.... how so VERY TRUE! "WOE UNTO THEM that seek deep to hide their counsel from the Lord, and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us? and who knoweth us?" Isaiah 29: 15 SNAP OUT OF THE TRANCE OF TRANSGRESSIONS. DON'T TRY... to tell me I don't know nothing about the Mormon religion. I was baptized at 11 years-old, married in the Washington Temple, was an Elders quorum teacher Over 30 years as a member of the church. And my Bible of study, King James version, with translations by Joseph Smith.
Brother, it is unfortunate that you have come to this conclusion after so much study and experience with spiritual things. If I may ask, have you ever felt the fruits of the spirit in relation to the Gospel as taught by the Church? Have you recognized it within the temples? Have you found the same from another source to replace it? Is it as great or greater? There are many good things of the Church and while it can be difficult to come to understand and believe in things of the history and doctrines of the Church, it's important to be honest with the Spirit to follow what it prompts you to do. Good luck in your future. May God be with you.
ZachJ367 Bottom line, you're still brainwashed by the DOCTRINES OF MEN. As I mentioned scripture in my first post, and your ignorant of what was brought to your attention in the verses of Isaiah.
But they refuse to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear. For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edge sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
C David Scripture of Isaiah is fulfilled in my post to you. The wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the young man shall be hid. I am VERY FAMILIAR with the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and I am very familiar with the gospel of the Mormon religion. I have NO NEED of the gospel of the Mormon religion, for ALL I NEED, is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Jesus said, " Believe in me, and teach my gospel. HE DID NOT SAY, Believe in me, and teach the gospel of Joseph Smith and the Mormon religion. Even if JUST one of you, WAKE UP FROM THE TRANCE OF THE MORMON RELIGION ... ANGELS in heaven will shout for joy. And I have no DESIRE WHAT SO EVER to return to the flock of the Mormon religion. I am a Son of God, and I need no religion. For the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians 2:14 "They have not known nor understood : for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand. "
al bugnfront “Cult” a : great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (such as a film or book). Congrats, you belong to the hate-filled cult who trolls mormons by calling them a cult. So ironic and hypocritical.
@@ipaporod "gods manufactures"? What about Daniel 7:18, Matt. 5:48, Rom. 8:17, John 20:17, Revelation 21:7, etc.? "sex worshipers"? Show your evidence!
It sounds like you have a case of arrested educational development on this topic. If you’d like to actually open your mind you can find intelligent and coherent arguments on both sides of this discussion at Plato.stanford.edu. You might want to start with the section on Moral Arguments for the Existence of God, for example. If nothing else, you’ll be able to come up with far more intelligent ways to express the beliefs you already hold.
A man filled with the love of God is not content with blessing his family alone, but ranges through the whole world, anxious to bless the whole human race.
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I like his humble approach. You know this. Is very helpful as well, because it saves time for all of us who can’t sit and read important things like this.
I am hoping we get to see more of Bro. Dirkmaat. I love his fun attitude and his depth of knowledge. He has not had the opportunity to present his work as often as others and I hope he is called back again. For those that feel he should take a speech class, well, there other speakers you can find to listen to, as for myself I can't wait to listen to him again. @FairMormon please invite Bro. Dirkmaat back!
Just watched this. I wish you would have emphasized that the Democratic Party of the 1800’s
is NOTHING like the current party.
I think the Democratic Party is worst today. They are acting like King Noah.
Very interesting - loved it!
Thx for the ammo
rewriting American history is no ammo, no one believes this any more, the truth is out there for all to see!
I love to hear about the beloved Prophet Joseph. I testify that he was a true prophet of God. Things are coming to pass now that he prophecied. Rich treasures of knowledge and spirit will come to those who will not harden their heart to his message and translation of the Book of Mormon.
I testify he's not.
This is the third time I've listened to this. Learning and relearning the history of Joseph Smith gives a realism to who he is and was. It builds my testimony of the truth he taught.
The anti Mormon authors cleverly paint a picture of Joseph Smith as a scoundrel as they ignore written history of his true nature. They convince many people of falsehoods. But, honest truth seekers somehow understand that searching several sources or original sources gives one much more information than a lone squealing voice of a tainted story or two.
Oh dear! I feel so sorry for you being so ensnared in a false religion.
@@rossironmonger2221 Really? Listen to the still small voice and you will find truth. The still small voice is spoken of in the Old Testament. Search and you will find it.
June is OK, she is allowed to be a wife of husbands like Joey who like many wives and other dumb women like her in the belief / cult outfit.
I've always been a fan of stop-motion.
Haha
When I watch this, I am uplifted by how such man, even Joseph Smith, was inspired and wise; a true man of God. It completely contrasts against what the critics draw about him.
Yanick Rochon inspired and wise, like, telling teenage girls that an angel with a flaming sword would kill him if they didn’t marry him?!?!?
@@joshuakelley2882 if you'd read the actual records, you'd know that this is not what happened. (Unless you are knowingly spewing misleading information?) And while we are in the topic of FairMormon, and for your own benefit, here are more information about this subject : www.fairmormon.org/answers/Joseph_Smith/Polygamy/Did_Joseph_Smith_coerce_women_to_marry_him
@@joshuakelley2882 You are blaspheming a Prophet of Jesus Christ.
Slanderer, liar, gossiper, disciple of Satan which should you be called?
@@jerrysutton7293 I am not accusing Mr. Kelley of anything, and you shouldn't also. The Savior said : "Judge not, that ye be not judged." (Matt. 7:1) Eventually, Latter-day Saints in the early days of the Church, did succumb to this kind of accusatory behavior from the harassment and all the persecutions (and I do not blame them for it), but what did it bring? We should know better, today. I personally try to apply the counsel of the Apostle Paul : "And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing." (1 Cor. 13:2) Sincerely.
Jerry Sutton call me what you like, it makes no difference to me. But before you call me those things, you should probably study the church history. If you like fairmormon, you should also read their findings.
www.fairmormon.org/answers/Question:_Did_Joseph_claim_that_an_angel_threatened_him_with_a_%22drawn_sword%22_or_%22flaming_sword%22_if_a_woman_refused_to_marry_him%3F
Here is a link to one of their articles about the angel with a sword. He did say those things. Whether or not he actually saw this angel and was carrying out gods commands, as I’m sure you will believe, or he made it up so he could marry young women who where already married in order to use them as a sexual resource, as I believe, is the only real question.
Non Mormon from Utah and we have the best state Beehive mentality
A famous "actor" with the same name. : )
Utah is great
SLC valley is horrible
voted by forbes magazine as the best economy in the usa for the last 10+ years.
have you lived in others states, I have, and am a convert to LDS. I've listened to whining of co-worker professional scientists and engineers who complain about trivial things in the state, other than that, they would rather live here than where they came from for many reason. There is a strong presence of the LDS church, and there is also a very strong antagonism in state entities and some groups.
Incredible. Literally.
I lost it at the democrat quote. Laughed so loud I might need to be re-baptized.
That’s my uncle
...nice concept, the teaching is true.
Joseph Smith was a prophet of God. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is truth and is God's true Gospel and Church on this earth!
You mormons are so brainwashed you repeat the same words every time. Do you think that if you repeat that lie over and over you'll finally be convinced it's true?
Sorry! It's a made up scam by the con Joseph smith. It's a cult
2326038 How is your statement any different from the one you are objecting to? Each of you are stating what you believe. The reality is that nobody actually knows the answers here. We’re all just coming up with our best.
Jason Lewis Yes, I’ve read and studied the historical fiction you referenced. Why is it historical fiction? Because non-fiction would require actually checking facts. What both authors did was, instead of checking facts between firsthand accounts and hearsay, and, then of course, qualifying anything as hearsay as actually, wait for it, hearsay. Instead, they just went with the hearsay accounts because it made for more interesting reading and better book sales.
Brodie, at least, was a tiny bit more honest about her work and agreed that it was psychobiography. She was also a fan of T.H. White’s psychohistory of the mythical King Arthur, published in 1938 (prior to her work) and much later compiled into what became known as Once and Future King.
Your argument about church “history” has a few problems because of all this.
But the biggest problem is that it is all irrelevant. It is a fallacy to claim that only a perfect man can create a great work.
So, yes we can argue about the validity/historicity of the works that you mentioned. Since much of what the Mormon Conspiracy Theorists put out is based on pretty shaky grounds, much of it can be dismissed as conjecture with no proof.
At the end of the day though, Joseph Smith’s reputation (and the works you mention are essentially treatments of his reputation in some circles rather than what we would normally call history) has no relevance in discussing the validity of the Book of Mormon or Book of Abraham, and so on.
@@2326038 2326038
1 year ago
You anti-mormons are so brainwashed you repeat the same words every time. Do you think that if you repeat that lie over and over you'll finally be convinced it's true?
Amazing how Mormon theology changes with the wind. When US. Congress refused to allow Utah statehood, due to polygamy & pedophilia .God came to the Mormon church and told them to give up multiple wives & sex with children... In1978, Jessie Jackson led a planned Salt Lake City protest of Blacks non admission to the priesthood & the temple. 100,000 Black men were organizing a protest in Utah of racist Mormon church teachings; Then, that same year, God then came to the Mormon church and told them black people were now okay. For 180 years, Mormon church taught hateful things towards Gays. Now in 2023, after bad press, God has told the Mormon church to back off the condemnation of Gays...Interesting timing of God's revelations & heat the Mormon Church was feeling.
No one cares.
“Sex with children” um….unfounded lie. If I’m to guess where your erroneous comment is coming from, then I’m assuming you are referring to 14 year old brides. Illinois state law in the 1820s thru smiths life established the minimal marriage age for women at 14, without requiring parental consent. You were a minor until your 14th birthday. There also is zero evidence the marriages were consummated. Times change.
Correlation doesn’t equal causation though. No evidence exists of God sanctioning gay marriage; in fact, evidence shows he destroyed societies at the peak of wickedness, which includes gay marriage (Canaanites, Noah’s society)
He’s still right about the Democrats. Time vindicates the prophet.
Perhaps the most hateful mindset is that of the religion critic... the Haters. They expend so much energy trying to discredit and berate those who choose to be religious. The anti-religious are a religion or cult unto themselves. Don't like the LDS church? Don't be part of it and get on with your life. But what's most telling is how inconsequential and petty the criticisms are. Especially those against LDS which is such a positive, proactive and professional organization.
Look mormon, whenever anyone dares to tell the truth about mormonism they get called haters and anti mormon. Stop with your BS. Your last sentence is a joke!!!!
Totally agree.
What seems to be equally as hateful is the religious criticizing the religious; It's like my friend fact check asked, how many kinds of Jesus's are out there. it seems like every religion has its own take on the identity and will of Jesus. Oh well, it's been over 2000 years since he was last seen, so who really knows anymore. While with us he did set a supreme example of how all people, especially his believers, should treat each other; so the hateful nonsense needs to stop.
@@rccarter7576 " it's been over 2000 years since he was last seen". Someone should have told that to Joseph Smith.
@@2326038 Joseph Smith was the 1st of millions who were yet to follow where nothing could be told or communicated. The fact that his wife Emma stayed behind after the rest left Nauvoo suggests something revelatory about Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, and others unable to hear anything other than their own cultish agreements.
Never address an audience with “I’ve never done this before, so bear with me,” or, “I apologize if I do a bad job.”
You never gain sympathizers this way, and people withdraw whatever confidence they had in you.
Even if you feel intimidated, never show it.
Never hand anyone something bad to think about you.
And then he does even more self-sabotage: “If we run over at the end & have no time for Q & A, ya just run off the stage & no one knows ya don’t know anything.”
“I won’t seem so schizophrenic.”
Oh my gosh dude, take a speech class!
I am an excellent public speaker and often complemented for such. However, I do not have but a fraction of the knowledge as possessed by Bro. Dirkmaat. Nor do I have the ability or patience to do the required research. As such, I would gladly trade much of the former for a good dose of the latter. Thank you to each and EVERY speaker at these conferences regardless of their presentation abilities.
I dont take myself that seriously
@@robertlewis7208 Are we aquainted?
@Dizzy, Do you have a video showing your own public speaking skills?
Ray Conger No, I don’t.
I know what you’re getting at, however.
My critique stands.
it says in the last days your sons and daughters will prophesy into you what is it that they prophesy into you if not God's will for the church but I believe you're adding to some of the things you don't really quite understand either
Please don't fall into the PC trap again, calling Brigham Young a chairperson, even if it's a female the term is Chairman. You say the word chairperson, that is an affront to the English language. And it doesn't make anybody feel better it really doesn't.
Joseph Smith was a young boy, when he walked into the woods to pray to God, and ask the question, "Which church is true?"
Then 》》》 FIRST DARKNESS was upon him, then stood before him, Two personages of light.
Satan and his ministers can appear as personages of light.
Joseph Smith knew NOT HOW TO TEST THE SPIRITS.
"AND the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed. .... " Isaiah 29: 11
Even to this day, LDS reference this scripture to prove the Book of Mormon is true, the church is true
"Therefore, behold. .... : FOR the wisdom of their wise men, shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid. "
Isaiah 29: 14
How true.... how so VERY TRUE!
"WOE UNTO THEM that seek deep to hide their counsel from the Lord, and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us? and who knoweth us?"
Isaiah 29: 15
SNAP OUT OF THE TRANCE OF TRANSGRESSIONS.
DON'T TRY... to tell me I don't know nothing about the Mormon religion.
I was baptized at 11 years-old, married in the Washington Temple, was an Elders quorum teacher
Over 30 years as a member of the church.
And my Bible of study, King James version, with translations by Joseph Smith.
Brother, it is unfortunate that you have come to this conclusion after so much study and experience with spiritual things.
If I may ask, have you ever felt the fruits of the spirit in relation to the Gospel as taught by the Church? Have you recognized it within the temples? Have you found the same from another source to replace it? Is it as great or greater?
There are many good things of the Church and while it can be difficult to come to understand and believe in things of the history and doctrines of the Church, it's important to be honest with the Spirit to follow what it prompts you to do.
Good luck in your future. May God be with you.
ZachJ367 Bottom line, you're still brainwashed by the DOCTRINES OF MEN.
As I mentioned scripture in my first post, and your ignorant of what was brought to your attention in the verses of Isaiah.
But they refuse to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear.
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edge sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
C David
Scripture of Isaiah is fulfilled in my post to you.
The wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the young man shall be hid.
I am VERY FAMILIAR with the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and I am very familiar with the gospel of the Mormon religion.
I have NO NEED of the gospel of the Mormon religion, for ALL I NEED, is the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Jesus said, " Believe in me, and teach my gospel.
HE DID NOT SAY, Believe in me, and teach the gospel of Joseph Smith and the Mormon religion.
Even if JUST one of you, WAKE UP FROM THE TRANCE OF THE MORMON RELIGION ... ANGELS in heaven will shout for joy.
And I have no DESIRE WHAT SO EVER to return to the flock of the Mormon religion.
I am a Son of God, and I need no religion.
For the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians 2:14
"They have not known nor understood : for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand. "
That beautiful overwhelming wave came over me when i first walked into a lds church kept me a prisoner there for 9 years.
cult
al bugnfront
“Cult” a : great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (such as a film or book).
Congrats, you belong to the hate-filled cult who trolls mormons by calling them a cult. So ironic and hypocritical.
Jesus was once a cult leader, until Constantine made it a State religion. Funny story.
Al bugnfront:More like gods manufactures and sex worshipers!.
If worshiping God makes me a part of a cult, that's fine with me.
@@ipaporod "gods manufactures"? What about Daniel 7:18, Matt. 5:48, Rom. 8:17, John 20:17, Revelation 21:7, etc.? "sex worshipers"? Show your evidence!
God is just Santa for adults. Grow up kids. Life gets a lot harder.
Life is much easier without sacrifice to God but not happier.
I remember my 8th grade atheist takes, too. Then I grew up.
It sounds like you have a case of arrested educational development on this topic. If you’d like to actually open your mind you can find intelligent and coherent arguments on both sides of this discussion at Plato.stanford.edu. You might want to start with the section on Moral Arguments for the Existence of God, for example. If nothing else, you’ll be able to come up with far more intelligent ways to express the beliefs you already hold.
non-thinking morons do say that.