!!?????Hey question Phil!!????? The small black part that comes up from under the visor that u want to stick the bolt through!? Can you shave those two small arms that protrude up. In between the two arms. Just to make them longer. Once they come up long enough u should have enough space to move the adjustment for the angle u want. Great idea great point of set up. I think this can work if u can cut in between those two legs or arms to make them come up longer. Hopefully you get to see this and you understand what I am trying to say. I've never held or seen one of these in person
The high perspective makes the jumps seem like, "is he ever going to hit the ground?" because the camera stays up so high. It also makes me want to hold my head back up high and crane my neck down at the screen to watch the video.
Hi Phil, thanks for the ideas.. since we have same helmet and I have hero 8..it's easy for me to retrofit it.. I just modified the attachment fitting.. good luck.. have a nice weekend.. from NZ cheers
I glued the sticky pad mount under the visor, that's much simpler than drilling. However, I haven't been able to nail a perfect angle. Either there's no handlebars which is boring or there are handlebars but without enough horizon, so it looks like on the video (I keep adjusting my head watching to see further, ha). Regardless, I think even the chinbar can be too high. Mouth height is already pushing it, but below chin is pretty perfect.
I tried out a chin mount for my first video. It worked pretty well but picked up a lot of my breathing on the mics. I’m gonna run the chesty next time and try that with the new Hero 8
In the settings you can invert your recording and hang your camera upside down so you can access the top button from the bottom. When you open the files it will play right side up. just remember to flip it when you use another mount or hand held footage.
I don't think the difference in heat between the modern full face "enduro" helmets is significant versus the "half shell" designs anymore. Back in the day...HUGE difference, when full face MTB helmets were almost the equivalent of FF Moto helmets, but that's not the case anymore. I would be surprised if you get hotter at all wearing the Fox ProFrame versus a half shell, and the chin mount...just works great. It seems worth the trade off. I sort of get the overkill effect of a trail helmet being FF, and people thinking it's odd, but I don't care. I can eat crap on a trail ride just as easily as any other time, and I'll take the occasional verbal jab to save my face. "I didn't know we were riding Redbull Rampage today." "I'll remember you said that when you washout in a corner and knock out two chicklets and need plastic surgery to build a new nose." :- )
use a 1/4x20 mount, tor drill 1 hole thru visor and secure with wide washer and nut. they even sell out front 1/4x20 mounts so you can mount top or bottom and remove any visor from view. K-edge has a few mounts that I have used in the past. GL and looking forward to your next revision of mount.
Hey Phil. How about if you printed an adapter plate similar to the K-Edge go big camera adapter for GoPro? I think something like that but with a bigger base, maybe 4 mounting screws? Have the plate printed to match the angle of the underside of your visor. If you want easier access to the camera you could make the adapter so that it slides to 2 different locations, one for filming and one for battery replacement. I like that helmet. I may buy one as my old helmet is 4 years old. Maybe I’ll print one up and give it to you to try. I live near Smugglers Notch Ski Area in Cambridge. Let me know what you think.
For the Hero 7 case, glue on a pull tab to the back side of the opening lever. Either with a piece of string with a loop to put your finger into or a plastic tab from something like a soda bottle that you can grab onto.
Nice try at solving this problem that is very valuable to solve. I just run a chin mounted cam, but the summer heat is a logical motivation to relocate the camera. I don't like the POV as much from under the visor because it is too downward. Chin cam is tried and true for me. I use a Bell Super 3R because I can detach the chin bar for hot climbs and put it back on for the DH. Still not the best scenario, but I can hang the chin bar on my pack's lug strap thru my gopro mount and velcro strap the bottom to the bottom of pack when chin bar is off.
5:07 If it catches a big enough clump it won't rip it out but wind round the spinny thing instead, dragging you in and really making a mess of your face and head (worse if the spinny thing is sharp). Always wear appropriate safety care 7:05 Cable actuated droppers suck balls. They are pain to adjust and to keep adjusted. Rockshox Reverbs ftw
Hey Phil you should build your DH bike, but also build a hardtail. Hardtails are super relatable as most people have ridden them, so it would be cool to see some bigger lines on one
Using aluminium tripod mount going through the top of the peak with a screw it won’t lower the go pro too much maybe by 3/8 of an inch then you will be able to tilt the camera to get your angle just right
After paint it will look pretty good. If unable to find adequate solutions to access doors maybe consider ski slalom chin guard (attaches to helmet and keeps gate from hitting face) I think your helmet with frame protection below ears would allow zip ties to hold it tight then you could attach below chin like full face. Good luck and most innovation is trial and error.
Hi Phil,, I made a mount like this on my forehead using sugru! Im going to be making a comparison video comparing a run i did with a chest mount and forehead mount at the same time.
You must have read my mind. I was just trying to figure out how to do this when the video popped up. I really want to take advantage of the old natural head gimbal. I think I can get the position you have, with full case access if I remove my visor. I'm just using production parts and a sticky mount. I didn't stick it on permanently yet because I decided I better scuff the surface a little first. I also picked up a cheap chest mount, but I expect that will be a little to shakey for my old hero 3.
Sometimes you have to get "creative", and make up your own mounts that will give you the view point you want. Enjoy your videos , and the amazing ability you have to carve those downhills with such speed. I guess I am getting old.
I got this fox helmet brand new and I would like to mount a go pro on it. But at the same time I don’t want to make a hole in to my brand new helmet. Is there some other way to mount it ?
Phil - You can even make riding in the snow look and sound like fun. Great stuff, the Session is probably still the best for that particular mounting scenario, but you lose changeable batteries and stabilization (well, and audio..) OK, so that wouldn't work either.
Off topic: Please tell me that you still have your Element. I miss mine...gave it to my daughter meaning to buy a new one and found that they no longer made them :(
Like it when you get crafty with Gopro mounts. But is there really such a big difference in heat/weight wearing the Dropframe vs the Proframe? When I want to film I just use the Proframe vs a trailhelmet, even in summer. Doesnt bother me at all. Maybe you could work on the visor a bit more to make it suitable for the hero8?
Just to re-emphasise the hair thing... if the motor is strong enough and enough hair is caught - it will de-scalp you (happens a lot in rural setting with power take-offs on tractors)
Nice video. I have similar setup on my Kali Maya, but I just attached it to the visor, but If the GoPro is in Stereo mode, even with Windslayer foam thingy - there is sooo much wind noise. Its like I am in airplane, it looks like visor and helmet itself are whistling. Did you have issues with this?
Lol I just went through this issue with my visor helmet. I settled on mounting above the helmet with no visor cropping, but the angle is still too high and doesn't get a lot of bike/arm/leg in frame. I think the best angle when you can't chin mount would be an elevated chest mount. Not sure how many are doing that now and if it's stable enough. But like an extension that pushes it close to your chin.
How did you film that snowboard video the other day on IG? I’ve been wanting to film my backcountry skiing this year but my ski helmet doesn’t have a visor.
I’d say the hell with it and go with the traditional on-top helmet mount. Take the visor off so it doesn’t get in the view frame. Or choose a helmet without a visor.
Su Gru is amazing stuff, used it on my fullface for gluing mounts, would work just as well in an enduro as well. Strength on it is really good 👍plus you can fit it anywhere you want
best tool to use to cut plastic like that is a vibrating multi tool (vibrating saw) you can normally get a cheap one for like 20 or 30 bucks at home depot or lowes. They are kind of like the ones doctors use to cut off casts with so they don't cut your skin but they cut rigid stuff like butter. Great for plastic, drywall, wood and even nails and metal stuff if you get the proper metal cutting blades.
4:30 Long hair and rotating tools are insanely dangerous. At least pull it into a ponytail. EDIT: Ahh, good job addressing that. No one wants premature baldness inflicted in such a violent manner
I feel like it wouldn't be that hard to modify one of those extension mounts to house it. Similarly, it should be pretty straightforward to take a Hero mount originally intended for FPV Drone flying, and remix it with the hardware you need in order to do that - I'm busy, but would be down to try and help. 95A durometer TPU is going to be the material of choice, and there are places that can print that (if I can't) fairly easily.
Try mounting the GoPro, using the holes you made, on the top of the visor. That’ll get rid of the issues you have with the visor getting in your field of view.
Easy thing you can do is just use normal gopro mount and unclip visor put a little hole (middle one) higher trught the helment and get visor clip in there and you are good.
I'd be happy to work with you in making a prototype for a GoPro case like you mentioned. I'm a design engineer with a 3D printer at home, so let me know if you're interested! Also, thanks for the awesome content. Your channel really got me started biking this summer.
I could possibly design a GoPro case for you. I’ve designed cases for other action cameras and multiple mounts. I don’t have a GoPro but saw someone uploaded a 3D model of a hero 7 for mocking up cases on Thingiverse. Thingiverse and Myminifactory are good places to check if someone has already designed one though.
GoPro should start making the sessions again, they were so much smaller
Apart from the built in battery, they were solid cameras. I’d love to see them make a come back with updated internals.
!!?????Hey question Phil!!?????
The small black part that comes up from under the visor that u want to stick the bolt through!? Can you shave those two small arms that protrude up. In between the two arms. Just to make them longer. Once they come up long enough u should have enough space to move the adjustment for the angle u want. Great idea great point of set up. I think this can work if u can cut in between those two legs or arms to make them come up longer.
Hopefully you get to see this and you understand what I am trying to say. I've never held or seen one of these in person
You should see if fox can make you a new visor with a GoPro Mount kinda like what’s on the Giro switchblade
What is on the giro switchblade? I never found anything related to gopros
"Personally I like to see where I'm going"
-Skills with Phil 2019
I didn't know they disappeared when you edit your comment incase you change to something the host can "get in trouble" for hearting
lovely stuff man. Hope you and Hayley are having a good winter
Thank you for this Phil! You’re such a great great rider and even better human being!
The high perspective makes the jumps seem like, "is he ever going to hit the ground?" because the camera stays up so high. It also makes me want to hold my head back up high and crane my neck down at the screen to watch the video.
When do you think your gonna build up your dh bike
He isn’t. He likes a more playful bike and dh bike isn’t enough for him
You'll get it Phil. Your a creative guy
Please keep hammering away at this idea, the helmet view in my opinion is the most exciting!
1:20 voice crack ahah, love your videos man
Thanks this really helpful
Hi Phil, thanks for the ideas.. since we have same helmet and I have hero 8..it's easy for me to retrofit it.. I just modified the attachment fitting.. good luck.. have a nice weekend.. from NZ cheers
I glued the sticky pad mount under the visor, that's much simpler than drilling. However, I haven't been able to nail a perfect angle. Either there's no handlebars which is boring or there are handlebars but without enough horizon, so it looks like on the video (I keep adjusting my head watching to see further, ha). Regardless, I think even the chinbar can be too high. Mouth height is already pushing it, but below chin is pretty perfect.
film in 4:3 2.7k 60fps. give you more headroom and lower room
@@mikeytek yea but 4:3 sucks ass. 16:9 makes for a much better viewing experience
@@Trebelhornc you can always crop, but 16.9 allows for hypersmooth
I tried out a chin mount for my first video. It worked pretty well but picked up a lot of my breathing on the mics. I’m gonna run the chesty next time and try that with the new Hero 8
Great problem solving and fabricobbling! I like your safety goggles 👍
In the settings you can invert your recording and hang your camera upside down so you can access the top button from the bottom. When you open the files it will play right side up. just remember to flip it when you use another mount or hand held footage.
Holy crap its Plank from Ed, Edd, and Eddy. Loved the video!
I’m happy some people noticed :)
I don't think the difference in heat between the modern full face "enduro" helmets is significant versus the "half shell" designs anymore. Back in the day...HUGE difference, when full face MTB helmets were almost the equivalent of FF Moto helmets, but that's not the case anymore. I would be surprised if you get hotter at all wearing the Fox ProFrame versus a half shell, and the chin mount...just works great. It seems worth the trade off. I sort of get the overkill effect of a trail helmet being FF, and people thinking it's odd, but I don't care. I can eat crap on a trail ride just as easily as any other time, and I'll take the occasional verbal jab to save my face. "I didn't know we were riding Redbull Rampage today." "I'll remember you said that when you washout in a corner and knock out two chicklets and need plastic surgery to build a new nose." :- )
use a 1/4x20 mount, tor drill 1 hole thru visor and secure with wide washer and nut. they even sell out front 1/4x20 mounts so you can mount top or bottom and remove any visor from view. K-edge has a few mounts that I have used in the past. GL and looking forward to your next revision of mount.
Hey Phil. How about if you printed an adapter plate similar to the K-Edge go big camera adapter for GoPro? I think something like that but with a bigger base, maybe 4 mounting screws? Have the plate printed to match the angle of the underside of your visor. If you want easier access to the camera you could make the adapter so that it slides to 2 different locations, one for filming and one for battery replacement. I like that helmet. I may buy one as my old helmet is 4 years old. Maybe I’ll print one up and give it to you to try. I live near Smugglers Notch Ski Area in Cambridge. Let me know what you think.
They should make a new session
That form factor had a lot of promise,
Hell yeah!
The session 5 is still a very reputable camera. I have it and the 8 . Though big difference in image quality between those 2.
@@dbest1aVlogs and stabilization
Patrick Caresosa Yes very true , with this kind of action.
Merry Christmas, Phil.
For the Hero 7 case, glue on a pull tab to the back side of the opening lever. Either with a piece of string with a loop to put your finger into or a plastic tab from something like a soda bottle that you can grab onto.
Nice try at solving this problem that is very valuable to solve. I just run a chin mounted cam, but the summer heat is a logical motivation to relocate the camera. I don't like the POV as much from under the visor because it is too downward. Chin cam is tried and true for me. I use a Bell Super 3R because I can detach the chin bar for hot climbs and put it back on for the DH. Still not the best scenario, but I can hang the chin bar on my pack's lug strap thru my gopro mount and velcro strap the bottom to the bottom of pack when chin bar is off.
5:07 If it catches a big enough clump it won't rip it out but wind round the spinny thing instead, dragging you in and really making a mess of your face and head (worse if the spinny thing is sharp). Always wear appropriate safety care
7:05 Cable actuated droppers suck balls. They are pain to adjust and to keep adjusted. Rockshox Reverbs ftw
Hey Phil you should build your DH bike, but also build a hardtail. Hardtails are super relatable as most people have ridden them, so it would be cool to see some bigger lines on one
Using aluminium tripod mount going through the top of the peak with a screw it won’t lower the go pro too much maybe by 3/8 of an inch then you will be able to tilt the camera to get your angle just right
After paint it will look pretty good. If unable to find adequate solutions to access doors maybe consider ski slalom chin guard (attaches to helmet and keeps gate from hitting face) I think your helmet with frame protection below ears would allow zip ties to hold it tight then you could attach below chin like full face. Good luck and most innovation is trial and error.
Yo Phil! You should definitely make some snowboarding videos during the winter season. I think that would be really cool!🤘
The GT hat looks cool!
Hi Phil,, I made a mount like this on my forehead using sugru! Im going to be making a comparison video comparing a run i did with a chest mount and forehead mount at the same time.
You must have read my mind. I was just trying to figure out how to do this when the video popped up. I really want to take advantage of the old natural head gimbal. I think I can get the position you have, with full case access if I remove my visor. I'm just using production parts and a sticky mount. I didn't stick it on permanently yet because I decided I better scuff the surface a little first. I also picked up a cheap chest mount, but I expect that will be a little to shakey for my old hero 3.
Sometimes you have to get "creative", and make up your own mounts that will give you the view point you want.
Enjoy your videos , and the amazing ability you have to carve those downhills with such speed. I guess I am getting old.
phils laugh is priceless
Just what I needed
Hi Phil, what is the website for the 3D printed mounts?
I got this fox helmet brand new and I would like to mount a go pro on it. But at the same time I don’t want to make a hole in to my brand new helmet. Is there some other way to mount it ?
Phil - You can even make riding in the snow look and sound like fun. Great stuff, the Session is probably still the best for that particular mounting scenario, but you lose changeable batteries and stabilization (well, and audio..) OK, so that wouldn't work either.
Love all his viseos!!!!
Off topic: Please tell me that you still have your Element. I miss mine...gave it to my daughter meaning to buy a new one and found that they no longer made them :(
Great mount and view! Do you think a hero session 5 would fit on a regular mount without blocking the vision??
Like it when you get crafty with Gopro mounts. But is there really such a big difference in heat/weight wearing the Dropframe vs the Proframe? When I want to film I just use the Proframe vs a trailhelmet, even in summer. Doesnt bother me at all.
Maybe you could work on the visor a bit more to make it suitable for the hero8?
Just to re-emphasise the hair thing... if the motor is strong enough and enough hair is caught - it will de-scalp you (happens a lot in rural setting with power take-offs on tractors)
The video looks super stable. Was it stabilized in post-processing?
Nice video. I have similar setup on my Kali Maya, but I just attached it to the visor, but If the GoPro is in Stereo mode, even with Windslayer foam thingy - there is sooo much wind noise. Its like I am in airplane, it looks like visor and helmet itself are whistling. Did you have issues with this?
Sick video💪💪
Lol I just went through this issue with my visor helmet. I settled on mounting above the helmet with no visor cropping, but the angle is still too high and doesn't get a lot of bike/arm/leg in frame. I think the best angle when you can't chin mount would be an elevated chest mount. Not sure how many are doing that now and if it's stable enough. But like an extension that pushes it close to your chin.
How did you film that snowboard video the other day on IG? I’ve been wanting to film my backcountry skiing this year but my ski helmet doesn’t have a visor.
Hopefully one day Go Pro finally adds a helmet friendly form factor like the Contour Roam and Sena Prism etc. have.
It be nice if fox made a visor for go pro or could you make a visor with a 3-D printer
Drill a hole under where the epoxy goes. That will help it stick.
I ride with a Giro Switchblade. I have my camera mounted under the visor with no modifications and it works great
Everything all right, Phil? Looking forward to your next video.
Happy December Phil! Finally time to hit the trail in AZ!
#ChristmasDayShred
Glad I’m not the only one who hates the battery door on the Hero 8. I don’t think I’ve swapped out batteries without it falling off.
I’d say the hell with it and go with the traditional on-top helmet mount. Take the visor off so it doesn’t get in the view frame. Or choose a helmet without a visor.
Phil where are you?
Su Gru is amazing stuff, used it on my fullface for gluing mounts, would work just as well in an enduro as well.
Strength on it is really good 👍plus you can fit it anywhere you want
I originally went to Home Depot for sugru but they no longer Cary it and none of the other stores did either
@@SkillsWithPhil Amazon for me, could not find it anywhere either.
I dont have action camera but I got this helmet and I can confirm that its amazing.
best tool to use to cut plastic like that is a vibrating multi tool (vibrating saw) you can normally get a cheap one for like 20 or 30 bucks at home depot or lowes. They are kind of like the ones doctors use to cut off casts with so they don't cut your skin but they cut rigid stuff like butter. Great for plastic, drywall, wood and even nails and metal stuff if you get the proper metal cutting blades.
LOL his voice crack at 1:21
4:30 Long hair and rotating tools are insanely dangerous. At least pull it into a ponytail.
EDIT: Ahh, good job addressing that. No one wants premature baldness inflicted in such a violent manner
I used the mount that the camera sat on from the box, cut it in angles and used 3M tape. Same FOX helmet. 👍
I feel like it wouldn't be that hard to modify one of those extension mounts to house it.
Similarly, it should be pretty straightforward to take a Hero mount originally intended for FPV Drone flying, and remix it with the hardware you need in order to do that - I'm busy, but would be down to try and help.
95A durometer TPU is going to be the material of choice, and there are places that can print that (if I can't) fairly easily.
Try mounting the GoPro, using the holes you made, on the top of the visor. That’ll get rid of the issues you have with the visor getting in your field of view.
You want the camera mounted as low as possible. This gives you better perspective. The higher up the camera is mounted, the flatter a trail looks.
I liked the view you showed with camera on top of visor. I don't care about seeing your hands. I want to see farther down the trail.
This video gives off the vibes of my friends and I in 3rd grade modding nerf guns and talking “scientifically” and its epic
Was tue ride at cochran's?
You should try sugru moldable glue instead of epoxy and it comes in red!
Home Depot stopped carrying it in store. That’s literally what I went there to buy, epoxy was plan b
Easy thing you can do is just use normal gopro mount and unclip visor put a little hole (middle one) higher trught the helment and get visor clip in there and you are good.
What tire is good on snow?
What resolution does it need to film in?
Glad to hear I'm not the only one who feels the battery cover in the Hero 8 comes off too easily.
I’ve nearly lost it several times.
I thought maybe mine was a manufacturing defect at first. But now I'm starting to think it's on purpose.
And now I see they actually sell replacement doors on their website, so I think it's totally on purpose.
is there a flip in the video so the switch faces down.
@GoPro bring back the Session!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'd be happy to work with you in making a prototype for a GoPro case like you mentioned. I'm a design engineer with a 3D printer at home, so let me know if you're interested! Also, thanks for the awesome content. Your channel really got me started biking this summer.
You have a killer James Hetfield mustache.
I don't have a 3d printer but maybe someone out of the community could just print you two ultra nice mounts.
Good angle but need to get rid of the black thing at the side
I personally don’t like that at all.
I just use a curved sticky mount on the actual lid under the visor and the curved mount that i used to use on my chesty. why make it difficult
Because that’d would block my view as it’d stick down too low. I stated this in my video.
I made a tab with tape to more easily remove the gopro from it's case. Did it once and still works 2 years later
You should Patten that visor design.
can you do a GT agreser video
Could you do another Walmart bike video(specifically the huffy scout)
Nice helmet, I’ve got the same one 🤙
You could Use spreech for make the Gopro Started
yeah the visor is in the way of the D.L. :)
Oh look it's plank! From Ed, Edd and Eddy :) 2:09
you should used the session cam.. he he.. good video idol.. from Philippines here
Great form factor but doesn't have built in stabilization.
Maybe you should try using Rylo
That cover there is not a Problem it's a feature! This is tunnel vision
Why not use a hero session ?? Smaller form factor easier angle in a small space
Because I go through 4-6 batteries in a day and it doesn't have built in stabilization.
I could possibly design a GoPro case for you. I’ve designed cases for other action cameras and multiple mounts. I don’t have a GoPro but saw someone uploaded a 3D model of a hero 7 for mocking up cases on Thingiverse. Thingiverse and Myminifactory are good places to check if someone has already designed one though.
Phil, happy to build a 3D file for you. Then you can 3D print it. Send me a note, not that hard.
Probably easier when Fox is your helmet sponsor.
A replacement visor is $25, I'd do it regardless of whether I got a replacement for free.
The angle doesnt make for a pleasurable watch. Seems to be pointing down too far like you said.
Which can be adjusted by tilting the camera up.
@@SkillsWithPhil no doubt. 💪🏻
NECK MOUNT IT!
Love you
Or forget about controlling the cam with the on-board controls and use the remote?