SHOSTAKOVICH Symph No 12 ' 1917' in D minor op 112 Dir Valery Gergiev Orq Mariinsky theatre
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- VALERY GERGIEV - MUSICAL DIRECTOR AND CONDUCTOR
THE MARIINSKY ORCHESTRA AND CHORUS
17° de Febrero del 2014 - February 17th, 2014
What a wonderful symphony this, no. 12 is! There are certain commentators who have rather played this one down. Goodness knows why! There are so many ways that various themes - and there are quite a few - have been used in so many different contexts, styles, tempi, etc etc. What a genius dear Shostakovitch was! Of course -- you don`t need me to tell you that ! As far as this performance goes - well -- the word perfection comes to the fore! Thank you - musicians in Russia - so good to be able to see as well as hear you with Valery Gergiev, your conductor. Love to you all Beverley Wood.
The sounds Gergiev gets from that matchstick of his never cease to amaze me.
1:04 I. Revolutionary Petrograd
13:50 II. Razliv
25:03 III. Aurora
29:22 IV. The Dawn of Humanity
Excellente Symphonie, excellent chef, très bon orchestre dans notre salle Pleyel de l'époque en 2014, avec un public toujours aussi nombreux pour voir et écouter ce chef et sa célèbre formation ! Excellente prise de vue et très bon enregistrement sonore.
En 2014, on aimait bien les Russes,...
Absolute masterpiece. Best snare drum playing on any recordings I have ever heard. Bravo!
Masterpiece! Excellent composer, symphony, conductor and orchestra!
Высокое Искусство Управлять Таким Великолепным Оркестром Браао Маэстро !!!
This composition is special to listen in war film. I felt the fear and destruction in his music. Big russian compositor.
Hey there me to discovering his music recently
russian?
Soviet.
Can anyone conduct Shostakovich's symphonies any better then Gergiev. I don't think so. Spectacular as usual. Even the orchestra is outstanding. Wow is all I can say
I agree even Kirill Kondrashin's fourth which had the approval of Shostakovich himself seems to pale in comparison to Gergiev's. Smooth, seamless, dramatic, rich, masterful. Love his work!
I agree with you. No one like Gergiev!
In general he is a brilliant conductor for Shostakovich pieces. But in my opinion, his approach to Symphony N° 5, while brilliant, lacks the essence I think Shostakovich intended... Especially for Movement 4, the finale... Personally I feel that Mvt 4 should be performed much slower, but inexorable and constantly charging forward, giving more the feel of a dictator confidently crushing through his opposition. I think Gergiev takes Mvt 4 way to fast and swift.
But I definitely agree, in general Gergiev is absolutely perfect when it comes to conducting Shostakovich. His take on Symphony 10 is simply astounding!
@codcdbp You are absolutely right, Mravinsky was a great Shostakovich's interpreter. He adored him but unfortunately we don't have the opportunity to listen to his interpretations live. Gergiev is the present.
@@angela5094 I think Mravinsky's approach to Shostakovich is more ascetique than Gergiev's. Besides that I don't see Mravinsky, playing 4th or 13th symphonies ( imho not his music at all).
Thank you very much ! Perfect as usual ❤ !
the first build always forces a tear literally regardless of any mood I'm in, its brutally effective and I love how shostakovich took the rare opportunity to just do music for music. Really hits different that way. I know he technically designed this to be a story but to be frank it works better without it.
Magistrale esecuzione!
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Great Gergiev,as usual. Brilliant orchestra.
Not surely of one of best DS symphonies...
the best are the 8, 13, 4, 10, perhaps 11 is better than 12.
@@fabricedieutre2658 better is quite the subjective term. Surely Id say his viola sonata and 15th symphony are his best works as when listened in the right mindset it can be pretty intense, especially his viola sonata being a testament to how he coped with his imitate death which idk what else could be more disturbingly profound. However this piece has a special energy you can't go wrong with, it is catchy, emotionally dense and void of complexities to be considered, so in that regard the 12th may be his strongest. Even stuff like 4, you have to be pretty die hard contemporary to enjoy it, which I'm all for but I'd show my mom the 12th before the 4th surely.
"Best" symphonies must surely be perceptive in your comment. Check rudiments and theory of music and I think you'll find you are wrong.
@@fabricedieutre2658Oh dear, 7th & 5th not mentioned? Sounds as if you've got Shostakovitch mixed up with Myaskovsky.
@@DavidA-ps1qr I' m gratuated in piano, composition and choir direction, and I work as repetitor in my town' s lyric theatre. Is it enough for your "music rudiments" opinion?? Get information about people, before to talk about them.
By the way, I DON'T LIKE Shostakovich ' s 12th.
Great Gergiev
1:05 begins | 13:06 intro theme | 28:09 spiral whirlwind | 36:24 intro theme sad | 37:22 start end mix
38:15 checkpoint | 38:51 near end |
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Hits different gj
WOW!
People disparage 12 but to me it's tremendous!
好棒......謝謝 !!
great talents in russia no people in the world suffered more ww2 olav bøe norway
Спасибо❤
Mov. III, number 90, bar 3 - cymbals must be on the SIXTHS quarter instead of a second (as played here)
Please, the name of the introduction music
10th symphony 2nd mvt
@@ligmaballs2150 thank you very much!!!
Some good soul please post the time stamp of different movements please
Im going to maintain a count of the times I listen to this like this, its now one of my favourite music
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I gotchu
@@vijaykrishnan7797 Id personally not bother time stamps, the art of this is it is a perpetual attacca, its almost better if you forget it comprised of movements at all
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6:50
It is criminal that we will now never see the greatest conductor in today's world ever repeat this astonishing performance of this masterpiece.
The reason? Politics. Gergiev is "cancelled"
For God's sake everyone, understand - MUSIC & POLITICS IS A TOXIC MIX.
Tell that to the raped, tortured and killed in Ukraine. Nobody forced Gergiev to align himself with a criminal autocracy and get filthy rich doing it.
@@thomasley7178 So what happened to the raped, tortured and killed in Russia under Stalin? That's alright then is it? You've fallen into the trap I've clearly described above.
@@DavidA-ps1qr What are you even talking about? So "cancelling" Gergiev is somehow an insult to the victims of Stalinism?! Are you out of your mind? Shostakovich would despise propaganda mouth pieces like you. Listen to his 13th to learn something about atrocities, lies and the boot-lickers that cover up for them.
Bravo DavidA! Hai perfettamente ragione! E noi, coglioni, rinunciamo a questi direttori e queste orchestre!
@@LionelloG.-ro6jn Grazie! 🙂
Ce ne sera certainement pas " the best symphony", car elle est dédiée soit-disant à Lénine, à la Révolution d'Octobre 1917. Comme on sait qu'on a forcé la main à Chostakovitch pour qu'il adhère au Parti Communiste en 1960 et que c 'est chose faite en 1962. Cette 12 ème symphonie est achevée en février 1961. Question : Chostakovitch se sentait il communiste?
Ecoutez la musique et pensez moins a qu'elle est dédiée. Les compositeurs ont de la chance : on peut chiffrer vos sentiments pour la personne ( et le dedicataire n'est pas l'exception , surtout si vous vivez a l'Union Sovetique ). On dit, que le theme principale de la simphonie est la citation de Sibelius ( chez lui elle parle d'un personnage populaire en Finlande, qui était tué et son corps était jeté dans la rivière ). Et tout a coup ca devient beaucoup plus interessant , et vous vous demandez si c'est vraiment la simphonie sur Lenine et pas sur Chostakovitch lui-meme.
Là on parle de musique et rien d"autres.
В 1962 году все чувствовали себя коммунистами.
Я сам был в Коммунистической партии. Поверьте мне,говорящему из "райского" 2024 года,Советский Союз,то что он дал человечеству,-лучшее из всей истории нашего мира.
1:04
Eeeh, this is not Neeme Järvi
6:12 31:58
Why EVERY video of this series has so low sound quality? It's unbearable.
I try, in everything possible. I am an amateur, who uses basic tools to provide the best image and sound. Avidemux or handbrake plus mp3gain. If you could detail the flaws, I will try to solve them in the next videos.
I ask me if Gergiev speaks only about music or if he presents the historical context. There is a contradiction between the world of Chosty and Poutin's vision.
0 emotions. not from the orchestra nor the conductor. would be bored out of my mind if was in the concert.
That’s a little extreme don’t you think? I can only imagine this symphony has a special place for most Russians (with a title like that: maybe Shostakovich should’ve called it something with less Cultural Meaning), albeit complicated by the Underwhelming Attitude many critics, especially Russians, both the Proletariat And the Soviet Establishment had towards the piece. I would agree however that this reading lacked the fire of VG’s reading with the Mariinsky of the 10th and 11th, which are EPIC imo.
It's a different approach that pays more homage to the complexity of the composer. It works for fans like myself however I see how you'd get a bit tired. There's certainly conductors who would appease your interests and have a more sharp stacattoness that be more contingent with old fashioned conducting but in that regard you lose the phrasing expression. Its like how the greatest viola sonata he wrote was best preformed dead slow, surely would bore you out of your mind however for someone partial to the works of shostakovich you can fully internalize the allegory of death in his final work. For you id stay away from this music and head your way to maybe his 5th 7th 8th 10th 11th (4th maybe but thats very funky) and some concerto repetoire
@@mason11198 you completely missed my point and you dont know my musical experience haha
@@serendrixsan9191 I mean your point was rather frail but go off
I think it was meant to be like that, in all appropriateness.
Excellent pied de nez de Chostakovitch au régime en place. Ou : comment faire une concession sans concession. Car cette symphonie est proprement mièvre, dans la droite ligne des exécrables symphonies soviétiques produites par les flagorneurs (volontaires ou non) de l'époque (Symphonie de Mossolov, symphonies de Knipper, etc.). Cette symphonie est presque inécoutable tant elle est plate, dénuée de toute âme. Il fallait célébrer la révolution de 1917 ? (Entendez le putsch malvenu de Lénine, non la révolution quelques mois plus tôt par le peuple - et principalement par les femmes ouvrières.) Qu'à cela ne tienne : Chostakovitch compose sa plus mauvaise symphonie. Comment peut-on imaginer que cette musique ait une quelconque âme de la part d'un compositeur ayant composé ses 4ème, 6ème, 8ème, 9ème, 10ème et même 11ème symphonies ? Je pense - mais ce n'est que mon avis - que prendre cette musique au sérieux, c'est faire un affront au compositeur. Et Valery Gergiev n'est pas dupe - tout comme ne l'était pas Gennadi Rozhdestvensky (qui le dévoile dans un documentaire - désolé : je n'ai plus la source exacte). Merci pour cette vidéo.