These are the people that Chris Stuckmann was trying to defend. If these are the "visionaries" that studios are bullying in Hollywood, idk man. Maybe there's something to bullying after all lol.
No, how dare you! It's ALWAYS the studios fault, and if you insult the writers in any way, you're the REAL corporate shill! The writiers are all amazing all the time /s
@KaiserShounen Yep....Well I mean the state of not only the movie industry but in entertainment is just either a beyond joke or a horrific disaster that makes you wonder how did we got in this situation. Also remind you they went on strike and demand to pay more and get extra benefits for not only making terrible movies and shows but they also treat the fans and the audience as terrible and will play the victim. Plus it doesn't help when these people are with people who not only can't handle criticism but either can't write, hate the i.p., don't understand the ip or using it to push a message or don't know what there doing. I mean how many companies have suffer from these people fro.wither in disney, to Warner brothers, to sony, to freaken rooster teeth ( never forgive them what they did to rwby) to paramount, to ect. ( need to remind them that there losing billions on billions of dollars for hiring these hacks) But yes let's defend these people and there "vision" which is what ever because they work hard on it. My god how the entertainment industry has fallen so hard. Also hey kaiser.
@@uneterostardust8233 It does exist, but its on a grander scale. Whole Civilizations rise and fall based on meritocracy. But it takes hundreds or thousands of years.
@@ericv00 That would be a valid criticism if voters actually had the final say. Remember, you can only suggest who your representatives should vote for. They can always tell you no, and vote for someone else.
@@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access Maintaining a political position in spite of worthless meaningless words is the fault of the people who put them there. (or the masses who fail to remove them) Kind of a no-brainer. But then... so are the voters who give power to obvious manipulators, which certainly must be the sentiment the OP has, considering their comment.
It's almost like an AI wrote the script for them and they have no idea what they are talking about. Anyone who took time and effort to write a script shouldn't be stammering like a moron when asked about it.
Mark Reilly spent over an hour of his life vehemently defending these idiot writers while simultaneously bitching about the studios not hiring him as a screenwriter.
I used to think that we don't need actors' and writers' interviews and press releases because we know everything through social media now. I take it back. We _need_ stuff like this to be immortalized. We can't let this insanity get buried.
I'd kill to be allowed to fail upwards like these clowns. Imagine getting constantly rewarded with new opportunities with major studios to write for them, and all you have to do is shit out a script in a drunken weekend.
Srsly I feel like an idiot reading books to learn filmmaking, trying to write a script and making hundreds of drafts, while these idiots make a movie out of 1st draft and earn millions
It is very much the Peter principle in practise, which is that people tend to rise to a level of respective incompetence. Basically people are promoted until they reach a level where they are too incompetent to be promoted further, but they don't get fired either.
"I have plenty of ideas." I guess one vague bad idea would count as 'plenty' for someone with no skills in storytelling. Or character writing. Or writing setup and payoff. Or basic understanding of people talking to one another. Or making a villain.
Q: How do you get around the Spider-Man of it all A: Welp I had my own story to tell and I just had to pick a character that I could shoe-horn my fan-fiction into their past. Lol literally fuck anything about the established lore or characters, they are simply a skinsuit to these people's shit storytelling. They have zero respect for the characters or Marvel, it's just a vehicle to be driven until it can't go any further. Other Guy: Um.... *literally looks for anyone else to shove under this bus*
According to what I can find online, Toxic technically came out in 2004, but first aired on the radio in mid November 2003. The movie is absolutely not set in November or December, so there's no way that Toxic could be playing on the radio in the movie, and even it was playing for the very first time, hungry girl claims its her favorite.
No it made perfect sense, this is what he said "we made it so it has modern day politics FORCED into it but we set the movie in 2003 so that way you can have nostalgia music"
So, the guys touched on something really funny. "This is really like two aliens. They've been transported onto Earth, they don't know what to do, and they're just trying to seem human." These two act *EXACTLY* like the titular family from the film *CONEHEADS* Which is a film about a group of aliens, that come to earth, and have to act human.
Speaking as someone who enjoys writing fiction and dreams of getting published, I can't help but notice that my blood pressure is rising as I watch this.
The idea that AI wrote the script would help explain why these two guys are lost, looking for answers. They can't even offer a basic premise for the story.
They could just say: Sony needs to pump out Spider man movies to keep the movie rights over the character, but they lended spidey to Marvel for marvel universe. Now we pick and choose random characters from his universe and just generate a movie about them. That's pretty much it.
I never read Marvel or DC, I've always been a bit of a niche comic guy, Usagi, Bone, 2000ad etc... But, even I know that she has a backstory and basically who she is. This 100% proves that writers of these shows are not comic fans in any way.
I think the "we set it back in time so this actress could be in it" is referring to the fact that Madame Web is much, much older than Spider Man in the comics. It might be the only non-stupid line in the entire interview.
The problem with that though is why does she have to be older in the present or just have an actress that is the appropriate age for Madame web. This also has the side effect of making all the spider women be in their thirties nowhere near Peter's age.
so i thought about "a character with no backstory we could do anything with" for 1 minute and came up with "Arachne" a female spider oriented superhero name that doesnt exist as far as i know. took 1 minutes of "spidergirl, taken, madam web, taken, spiderwoman, taken, spiderling, not sure if taken but doesnt sound too great, hmm of yea there was that myth about women turned into half spiders called Arachne and i dont think that name is taken. google 'arachne superhero' get no results. and there we go" how are these people getting paid anything money and are so bad at everything?
Specifically one woman named Arachne in Greek mythos. She was a great weaver who got arrogant and declared that she's better than even Athena, the Goddess of Crafts. They competed to make a weaving portrait. She made the mistake of portraying the gods' flaws. And there are at least two versions of the ending. Both of them ending with Arachne becoming a weaver spider. Nowadays, in the anime culture, there's basically spider centaur "race" called Arachne.
@@zephyrerazortail5478 Hell, a pretty simple story can be SPUN up rather quickly from this. Coming from someone who hasn't read any of these comics or seen any of these movies/shows beyond a vague feeling. Jane Arachne is a high tech fabric researcher who's working on developing clothes using spider silk, blah blah fashionable AND bulletproof. Make her super proud of her work, but also underestimated by DAH EBIL MENS. Give her a hybrid of Doc Ock's and Spider-Man's origins, so it's self inflicted, but goes farther than she intended. Maybe, I don't know, make her excessive pride the thing that sets the rest of the industry against her, and after BAD EVENT(tm) she becomes THE ARACHNE, an Anti-Hero who targets those evil chauvinist capitalists who uphold the glass ceiling, and does so by weaving and manipulating things to force their evil deeds to be exposed to the public. Montage up a Motive Decay, and have her start going after innocent men and even women now, until she meets a younger woman who reminds her of herself, who can be her morality pet. The two of them then work together to then take down the main big bad leader guy Arachne hadn't gotten to yet, in the process putting the younger woman in charge of his business and reestablishing Arachne doing what she did before, but appreciated now. Then the stinger can be Arachne becomes bored, and realizes that there are more 'glass ceilings' to break than just material science and fashion, and that oppressors exist in every field. Cut to her deciding to use her powers and influence for good beyond her own selfish goals, easy sequel hook. It's a rough and unfinished concept draft, but it'd be a hell of a lot more interesting than whatever Madam Web turned out to be. Basically, Devil Wears Prada meets Spider-Man meets those corporate ladder climbing type movies. Lots of costume design and wish fulfillment for women, lots of eye candy, novelty, and deep cut references for men.
So the only reason they set it back was to have older music playing? That’s stupid. Why not make Madame Web nostalgic for the classics, which is why she listens to older music and maybe have certain songs play into her character adding more to her personality? Or what little there was!
_"How are you going to get around the 'Spider Man' of it all?"_ You uhhh . . . . WRITE a story about someone who is NOT Spider Man? A story that isn't crap? The question was just as dumb as the answer.
That someone who is disappointed with it as an adaptation of the Madame Web story is me. I think I'm one of the few people who knew who the fuck she was beforehand, and even I'm only familiar with her from the old 90s cartoon where she was voiced by Joan Lee, wife of Stan Lee. She gave a pretty good performance in the two or three episodes I watched on VHS on loop as a kid.
Just like most of these hack writers who ruin established franchises, he had a story he wanted to tell and found a character that fit that mold with a fan base behind it to buy tickets. Or in this case not buy them
These two hacks Matt Sazma & Burk Sharpless have no idea what Spider-Man fans what for this movie. They should be permanently fired from writing movies & get a job application at Target.
These people were on strike because they wanted more money for writing this...
And warner brothers decicde "yes. You're are the perfect writers. You even wrote Morbius for us"
@primesonic4459 They're either someone's nephews/sons or they're really good sugar babies for some creepy executive.
You know what the insane thing is? The late night TV shows where somehow even worst during the strikes.
@@SumThingFawful that just means the hosts are even more unfunny.
@@hope-cat4894 Sure their stories are shit but their gluck gluck game is on point
These are the people that Chris Stuckmann was trying to defend. If these are the "visionaries" that studios are bullying in Hollywood, idk man. Maybe there's something to bullying after all lol.
No, how dare you! It's ALWAYS the studios fault, and if you insult the writers in any way, you're the REAL corporate shill! The writiers are all amazing all the time /s
@KaiserShounen
Yep....Well I mean the state of not only the movie industry but in entertainment is just either a beyond joke or a horrific disaster that makes you wonder how did we got in this situation. Also remind you they went on strike and demand to pay more and get extra benefits for not only making terrible movies and shows but they also treat the fans and the audience as terrible and will play the victim. Plus it doesn't help when these people are with people who not only can't handle criticism but either can't write, hate the i.p., don't understand the ip or using it to push a message or don't know what there doing. I mean how many companies have suffer from these people fro.wither in disney, to Warner brothers, to sony, to freaken rooster teeth ( never forgive them what they did to rwby) to paramount, to ect. ( need to remind them that there losing billions on billions of dollars for hiring these hacks) But yes let's defend these people and there "vision" which is what ever because they work hard on it. My god how the entertainment industry has fallen so hard.
Also hey kaiser.
If Stuckman watch this video i don't think he will get why they're laughing at the writers. I think because he's that simple of a man
but they worked hard on this :/
Remember, early and often
Did he basically just say the only reason it’s set in 2003 is so they can have the song Toxic?
To have Toxic and so Dakota Johnson could be in it I guess. How any of that correlates at all I couldn't tell ya tho
Which is from 2004. So you can have it in 2003 but not 2023, because time works backwards I guess.
This is why meritocracy is so damn important
And also why it doesn't exist, people shouldn't be capable of Failling upwards
@@uneterostardust8233 They are making a second season of the latest True Detective series.
Because…f**k you, that’s why.
But then all the rich old pedophiles won't be able to control the media.
@@uneterostardust8233that’s not meritocracy
@@uneterostardust8233 It does exist, but its on a grander scale. Whole Civilizations rise and fall based on meritocracy. But it takes hundreds or thousands of years.
4:50 HEY, HEY, HEY! WOO THERE, FELLAS! DON'T DRAG ME INTO IT! I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS!
ITS ALL YOUR FAULT, CREM
HOW COULD YOU DO THIS, CREM
A POX ON YOUR FAMILY FOR THIS, CREM
@@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access I'M INNOCENT, I SWEAR!
1:10 the way he dodges the question, he should be a poltician
That's not a condemnation of politicians or this guy. It's a condemnation of voters.
@@ericv00
Fucking….how????
@@ericv00eh, Politicians are often like this even in countries without democracies.
@@ericv00 That would be a valid criticism if voters actually had the final say. Remember, you can only suggest who your representatives should vote for. They can always tell you no, and vote for someone else.
@@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access Maintaining a political position in spite of worthless meaningless words is the fault of the people who put them there. (or the masses who fail to remove them) Kind of a no-brainer. But then... so are the voters who give power to obvious manipulators, which certainly must be the sentiment the OP has, considering their comment.
It's almost like an AI wrote the script for them and they have no idea what they are talking about. Anyone who took time and effort to write a script shouldn't be stammering like a moron when asked about it.
Oh they're using it. The strike was about not letting the studios use it and cutting them out of the dosh
Mark Reilly spent over an hour of his life vehemently defending these idiot writers while simultaneously bitching about the studios not hiring him as a screenwriter.
What was this on?
Anyone and everyone who was apart of collider are the biggest SHILLS and C*CKS.
@@charliemasters8086 th-cam.com/video/3EqgNmumoMc/w-d-xo.html
@@charliemasters8086 I've posted the link a bunch but YT seems to delete my replies
Him and all of those old Collider guys are such clowns
"What would you say is the best part of the film?"
"You get to look at the women."
3:20 When Rags starts describing an “assassin”, I didn’t expect him to explain this assassin aiming to just steal something!
Assassins are allowed day jobs.
Stealing souls
@@dimitrishow_D_Your soul... is Miihne!_
@@uneterostardust8233I am Russian
Narrator: not enough mana
Remember these are the guys we’re not allowed to blame for movies sucking when they’re arguably the most responsible
The ones at fault are the jewish producers hiring their inbred cousins.
I wonder what focus group produced the word 'grounded' and lead to it being the main description of every superhero movie of the last 10 years.
I used to think that we don't need actors' and writers' interviews and press releases because we know everything through social media now.
I take it back. We _need_ stuff like this to be immortalized. We can't let this insanity get buried.
'Spider-Man is three young women who haven't become yet."
I'd kill to be allowed to fail upwards like these clowns. Imagine getting constantly rewarded with new opportunities with major studios to write for them, and all you have to do is shit out a script in a drunken weekend.
Srsly I feel like an idiot reading books to learn filmmaking, trying to write a script and making hundreds of drafts, while these idiots make a movie out of 1st draft and earn millions
It is very much the Peter principle in practise, which is that people tend to rise to a level of respective incompetence. Basically people are promoted until they reach a level where they are too incompetent to be promoted further, but they don't get fired either.
Oh I don't think you'd enjoy the amount of time these people spend on their knees at "high society" parties between projects.
7:18 This guy only says that because he knows he’ll get jumped by Spider Man fans lol
Not even nepotism can save this dude’s ass
It's like watching two students BS their way through a school report that they didn't do.
Only with a shit ton more money than all of us.
I think I've done a better job than this off 2 hours of sleep and a mug of coffee. Hell I've had classmates do a better job while obviously high
How could you insult idiots by comparing them to these writers?!
This was so fucking funny to watch. The WRITERS didn’t have anything written to say about their own story ahaha.
Failing upwards is a concept that never made sense in the long run, but these past few years have proved that it's a real movement.
"I have plenty of ideas." I guess one vague bad idea would count as 'plenty' for someone with no skills in storytelling. Or character writing. Or writing setup and payoff. Or basic understanding of people talking to one another. Or making a villain.
Q: How do you get around the Spider-Man of it all
A: Welp I had my own story to tell and I just had to pick a character that I could shoe-horn my fan-fiction into their past.
Lol literally fuck anything about the established lore or characters, they are simply a skinsuit to these people's shit storytelling. They have zero respect for the characters or Marvel, it's just a vehicle to be driven until it can't go any further.
Other Guy: Um.... *literally looks for anyone else to shove under this bus*
No way 😭😭 Modern Media is beyond parody.
Season 2024 has really flanderized the dumb characters to unreal levels. The show jumped the shark ages ago.
@@hope-cat4894you see, this is why I think Earth should have been cancelled after season 2012 like we thought it would. I wish it did.
According to what I can find online, Toxic technically came out in 2004, but first aired on the radio in mid November 2003. The movie is absolutely not set in November or December, so there's no way that Toxic could be playing on the radio in the movie, and even it was playing for the very first time, hungry girl claims its her favorite.
"the wiki said it was released in 2003, so just put it in that year"
She can see the future so she is already aware of the song.
No it made perfect sense, this is what he said "we made it so it has modern day politics FORCED into it but we set the movie in 2003 so that way you can have nostalgia music"
Spider-man is three women in a Peter Parker trench coat.
So, the guys touched on something really funny.
"This is really like two aliens. They've been transported onto Earth, they don't know what to do, and they're just trying to seem human."
These two act *EXACTLY* like the titular family from the film *CONEHEADS*
Which is a film about a group of aliens, that come to earth, and have to act human.
Tin Foil Hat Mode: I think these writers must be the version 1.0 Of Disney's Life Model Decoy.
-Scary times indeed...
nothing about this feels real, specially that guys hair. wtf is that haircut
I know, right? It looks like a towel wrapped around his head after a shower, only made of hair.
looks like a bad Khajiit mane
It's inflated with bad ideas. Or brain swelling
Speaking as someone who enjoys writing fiction and dreams of getting published, I can't help but notice that my blood pressure is rising as I watch this.
How does it feel to know complete morons get high paying jobs in writing instead of you?
The idea that AI wrote the script would help explain why these two guys are lost, looking for answers. They can't even offer a basic premise for the story.
It’s a shame Mewbschlie doesn’t do GDELB anymore, this single interview would’ve been a goldmine
They could just say: Sony needs to pump out Spider man movies to keep the movie rights over the character, but they lended spidey to Marvel for marvel universe. Now we pick and choose random characters from his universe and just generate a movie about them. That's pretty much it.
The dude to the left being quiet for the first couple minutes said everything I needed it too
I expect them to answer ‘it was super easy, barely an inconvenience’ cos they are talking Pitch Meeting levels of nonsense
I haven't watched the movie, I assume the 2003 line is because maybe they hoped that they could feature a "senior" Madame Webb in later movies.
20 years is not enough time to make her age up into elderly Madam Web...
*notices the googly-eyed thumbnail*
Yup this is definitely run by Wolf
I always thought a top tier writer would be more intellectual.
they are, these aren't "top tier". These people are barely literate.
I never read Marvel or DC, I've always been a bit of a niche comic guy, Usagi, Bone, 2000ad etc... But, even I know that she has a backstory and basically who she is. This 100% proves that writers of these shows are not comic fans in any way.
I think the "we set it back in time so this actress could be in it" is referring to the fact that Madame Web is much, much older than Spider Man in the comics. It might be the only non-stupid line in the entire interview.
Oh, that kinda makes sense lol
If that's the case then it's really REALLY bad wording on their part. Not a good look for professional writers.
The problem with that though is why does she have to be older in the present or just have an actress that is the appropriate age for Madame web. This also has the side effect of making all the spider women be in their thirties nowhere near Peter's age.
Imagine parting with actual currency to watch this rubbish.
This was insane. They don't know anything about their own creation!
To think Morbius is not their worst movie... yet.
The whole reason they put Madame Web in 2003 so they could incorporate Britney Spears song Toxic…
simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxic_(song). Toxic released January 2004. 😂
Those are the people that shouldn't have their feelings hurt with our bad reviews :c
The real-world release date of a song is the only continuity they seem to care about?
Listening to the both of them explain the movie, made me feel like I was having a stroke
They sound like the writer guy on pitch meetings with Ryan George
so i thought about "a character with no backstory we could do anything with" for 1 minute and came up with "Arachne" a female spider oriented superhero name that doesnt exist as far as i know.
took 1 minutes of "spidergirl, taken, madam web, taken, spiderwoman, taken, spiderling, not sure if taken but doesnt sound too great, hmm of yea there was that myth about women turned into half spiders called Arachne and i dont think that name is taken. google 'arachne superhero' get no results. and there we go"
how are these people getting paid anything money and are so bad at everything?
Specifically one woman named Arachne in Greek mythos. She was a great weaver who got arrogant and declared that she's better than even Athena, the Goddess of Crafts.
They competed to make a weaving portrait. She made the mistake of portraying the gods' flaws. And there are at least two versions of the ending. Both of them ending with Arachne becoming a weaver spider.
Nowadays, in the anime culture, there's basically spider centaur "race" called Arachne.
How they got jobs as writers? The answer is simple: jewish nepotism
@@zephyrerazortail5478 Hell, a pretty simple story can be SPUN up rather quickly from this. Coming from someone who hasn't read any of these comics or seen any of these movies/shows beyond a vague feeling.
Jane Arachne is a high tech fabric researcher who's working on developing clothes using spider silk, blah blah fashionable AND bulletproof. Make her super proud of her work, but also underestimated by DAH EBIL MENS. Give her a hybrid of Doc Ock's and Spider-Man's origins, so it's self inflicted, but goes farther than she intended. Maybe, I don't know, make her excessive pride the thing that sets the rest of the industry against her, and after BAD EVENT(tm) she becomes THE ARACHNE, an Anti-Hero who targets those evil chauvinist capitalists who uphold the glass ceiling, and does so by weaving and manipulating things to force their evil deeds to be exposed to the public. Montage up a Motive Decay, and have her start going after innocent men and even women now, until she meets a younger woman who reminds her of herself, who can be her morality pet. The two of them then work together to then take down the main big bad leader guy Arachne hadn't gotten to yet, in the process putting the younger woman in charge of his business and reestablishing Arachne doing what she did before, but appreciated now. Then the stinger can be Arachne becomes bored, and realizes that there are more 'glass ceilings' to break than just material science and fashion, and that oppressors exist in every field. Cut to her deciding to use her powers and influence for good beyond her own selfish goals, easy sequel hook.
It's a rough and unfinished concept draft, but it'd be a hell of a lot more interesting than whatever Madam Web turned out to be. Basically, Devil Wears Prada meets Spider-Man meets those corporate ladder climbing type movies. Lots of costume design and wish fulfillment for women, lots of eye candy, novelty, and deep cut references for men.
Almost feels it was ghost written by someone else and they just know the bullet points about the story and nothing else.
Outsourced to the urban writers, paid 1500 for the entire script. Never read it before turning it in
These 2 are the modern Kurtzman and Orci.... minus the box office success.
So the only reason they set it back was to have older music playing? That’s stupid. Why not make Madame Web nostalgic for the classics, which is why she listens to older music and maybe have certain songs play into her character adding more to her personality? Or what little there was!
Imagine hearing these writers pitch this "story" then giving them like 200-300 million dollars to make it.
_"How are you going to get around the 'Spider Man' of it all?"_
You uhhh . . . . WRITE a story about someone who is NOT Spider Man? A story that isn't crap? The question was just as dumb as the answer.
These writers are so damn clueless , he probably wears his hair in a bun !
Dont worry, im sure this is the writing team Marvel studios will hire for Secret Wars next
Right on y'all. Thanks for sharing.
Guy has the makings to write the next lord of the rings show 😂
Where did they get their degrees in script writing; clown college?
In the words of YMS - "Its fuckin webbin' time" 😂
This is why writers should earn less money.
They shouldn't be getting hired
But guys, being a bad guy and dying makes you not a bad guy anymore.
Delusional Wiseau/Nguyen levels of narcissism or Scarface levels of cocaine? Or what combo of what?
They "wrote" an outline and fed it to some kind of AI program, and Madame Web is the garbage it shat out.
About as coherent as modern screenwriting
I actually would like to see that heist movie.
The fox guy sounds a lot like jeremy from geeks and gamers.
That someone who is disappointed with it as an adaptation of the Madame Web story is me. I think I'm one of the few people who knew who the fuck she was beforehand, and even I'm only familiar with her from the old 90s cartoon where she was voiced by Joan Lee, wife of Stan Lee. She gave a pretty good performance in the two or three episodes I watched on VHS on loop as a kid.
i just looked it up and it WAS spiderman 216 lol
the real spider man was the 3 women we made along the way
I'm not sure about the cycling panel. I've Drinker says he hayes cyclists and runs them down in his car.
it's webbing time
Just like most of these hack writers who ruin established franchises, he had a story he wanted to tell and found a character that fit that mold with a fan base behind it to buy tickets. Or in this case not buy them
Sooo...basically a promotional video for A.I.?🤔
10/10 thumbnail
It was written using AI and I won't be convinced otherwise.
No "broken back" story....
Did the director rewrite it
I have heard this is the case. Can't really back it up with sources though.
These two hacks Matt Sazma & Burk Sharpless have no idea what Spider-Man fans what for this movie. They should be permanently fired from writing movies & get a job application at Target.
Oh gross... They're both so visibly smug too.
That was the most pathetic answer I have heard and seen regarding spider-man or film making.
NO VIEWS
these writers are idiots, madame web was horrible
This red carpet interview is so cringe, I can’t even listen to these dopes !
2nd hand Cringe
👍🖖🏽
Does "...so many ideas..." equal zero since there isn't a single one in the actual "movie?!?"
Toxic released January 2004. 😂 simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxic_(song)