living the driving life vicariously through bjorn.....also nice to learn that we are at the threshold of the human being the bottleneck....all the complaints about ev's and range go out the window once charging gets to this speed - the networks will rapidly improve ...thanks
Yeah, he's convinced me to wait for the Ioniq 5 or EV6 with 350 kW charging. I really wanted a Polestar 2 with tan leather seats and gold Brembo brakes but it maxes out at 150 kW and that seems kind of slow these days. Don't like Tesla but the 250 kW v3 Supercharger network makes long road trips in an EV seem almost like using a gas car.
We are nearing, but not there yet. For me, personally, the limit is 10 to 80 % (let's call it 300 km of range as that's what matters, not percentages) in about 5 minutes. Pushing further doesn't really make much sense to me. And it's doable. It would be expensive but we have the technology (it's primarily about the battery). Then again I don't have children or a dog and I don't need 20 minutes for a bathroom break. I also prefer to prepare my own food for a trip. But yes, 350 kW is serviceable and certainly a lot better than 50 kW. No, the real challenge is something like towing. Not only current electric vehicles don't have the capacity to tow heavier trailers, consumption will go through the roof and good luck charging with a trailer attached. Roof racks are less of a headache but still significantly impact consumption and therefore range. And that's the dilema for me. As long as EVs can't do it, I will have to keep a conventional car whether I like it or not. And in that case, should I really buy a bigger, touring EV or should I stick to a city car where EV has the biggest benefit (and which will cover majority of my driving)? Reason says Fiat 500, heart says e-tron GT.
@@jobicek It's those stoopid (can't even spell it dumb) wheels that are killing the range. I was looking at a new GV70 for a highway cruiser and with 21" rims the 4 cylinder gets the same (bad) gas mileage as the V6. Boggles my mind why anyone would do that to their EV, it literally defeats the purpose of going electric.
That is one sexy and fast far! Thanks for all your videos Bjørn. They helped convince me that the time to get an EV is now. Ordered a Skoda Enyaq 3 days ago!
Nice! You will be happy to hear that the Taycan get as good range and efficiency while being able to sleep in the back as there is no annoying blockage above your legs and the car will operate without noise. You can get a 4s or a Taycan 2wd. Also, my Michelin tires are not quite as high aspect ratio making for a wonderful ride. Congratulations on the record! I just did a 1000km trip myself and found the trip and charging wonderful.
Hello. Please correct me if I am wrong. At the end of the run you showed 1000 km and 9:30 hours. You had a delay of 5 minutes due to faulty charger. So you have to deduct 5 minutes from 9:30, right? Then you should register 9:25. Instead you added 5 minutes to 9:30 and got 9:35.
I believe the time calculation is against the clock, not against what the car measured. The clock showed 7 :41, it was morning, he started at 10 :00 in the evening, so the total trip time is 9h41'. If you subtract 5' you get to 9h36' which Bjorn rounds to the nearest multiple of 5' and so you get the final figures: 9h35'.
Suggestion - for the parts when you are underway and just playing music, how about showing statistics/telemetry as you go - time, location, speed, consumption, etc?
Thanks for the great content. I would love to see a slight modification of the 1000 km challenge. I would love to know what 4 passengers, a roof rack and a lot of cargo in both the rack and the boot does to the consumption figures. Thanks in advance.
Great Video thanks!! Is there a 1000 km challenge planed for the Mercedes EQS? Really interesting what wins really long range or incredible charching speed.
He will probably do all tests if he is given the car for enough time. If he is only given the car for a day or two he will probably only do range test 90 and 120 as well as acceleration, noise test and charging speed. That is enough to estimate 1000km challenge in the spreadsheet
Now that the EV times have reached the time of a fossil petrol car maybe you should change the way you do this challenges to a less planned trip so it'll be even more realistic. Just a kind suggestion, keep up the good work
Great result, one thing to note is the temperature difference between the Audi and other cars, which effects efficiency a lot. Even with that it created a new record.
I'm happy for you, because you have the chance to drive such a piece of technology, who's in other league in comparison with all other EV's! Great video!👏
We were on a road trip in the Etron 55, stopped to charge and walked to a restaurant that was a little busy. Got a notification on my iWatch that the car had fully charged before the food came to our table! The Etron 55 @ 150KW is usually almost done charging after a restroom break. Fast Charging is only a small time penalty over running an ICE car.
@@bochap2127 Actually, it's a positive, because in an ICE vehicle, you would have spend 5 mins with the car while you were refueling, then head to the restaurant. In an EV, you just start the charge then leave it until it's done. And e-tron 55 is beast mode when charging on 150+kW chargers!
@@biff2bart509 You have to read what he wrote. He said the car was fully charged before the food came to the table. You can't leave it until it's done, you have to unplug once its done. Many chargers will start charging expensive idle fees if you do not return to unplug and drive away. Also, in an ICE car, you can park next to the restaurant and not have to park at the charger and walk to the restaurant, so the 5 minutes extra for putting in fuel is negligible.
@@bochap2127 I read exactly what he said. Yeah, you have to stop if you don't want idle fees (or should stop if you don't want idle fees), but you can plug in your car, go get your food started (which will be the LONGER part of the process) a few minutes before you would finish filling up with gas. Most chargers also have about 10 mins of free idle time, so it's not like you have to rush away from your table the instant it finishes charging. After owning half a dozen ICE cars, I've made the switch to EVs and there are very few downsides unless: you're in a rural area / lack infrastructure or you need to drive a LOT very regularly (or the initial cost is too high). All of these situations are improving extremely quickly in many places in the world. It's not for everyone, but it's certainly good now for many / most people in the developed world.
@@biff2bart509 I'm not saying ICE is better than EV overall. I'm saying that in this particular aspect, ICE beats EV *if the EV charges too quickly* . """ you can plug in your car, go get your food started (which will be the LONGER part of the process) a few minutes before you would finish filling up with gas.""" This *absolutely makes no sense* . You don't plug in your car to fill it with gas. Bottom line is that if the car charges too quickly, you have to return to the car, unplug, drive it off, park and go back to the restaurant. This is a disadvantage. Remember, the charger will not be next to the restaurant. It is going to take perhaps 5 minutes to walk there.
Another great video, thank you so much. In order to compare cars, and not only talk about travel time, why don't you test model 3 with those new fast chargers instead of using Tesla V2 superchargers ? I experienced myself a road trip of 3000 km even before supercharger V3, and I got way better charging speeds on Ionity chargers compared to Tesla V2
100% agree : the Human is the limiting factor in normal use, (ie no relay driver system). I found my 100kW limited Model 3 SR+ in 2019 matched my desired breaks with its charging needs. Faster charging and / or longer range just add FLEXIBILITY.
I couldn't disagree more with you on chargeport location. Front right is the optimum position, because often you charge in parking places parallel to the street. Then it is stupid if the chargeport on the left side.
@@MiccaPhone This car has AC charging on front left in addition to CCS-combi on front right, though I think most people buying this car has garage parking at home and will not be charging much while street parked. For drive-through fast chargers it does not matter, but for "nose in" chargers it would be better with front left or rear right which is most common among other EVs except Tesla which mostly charges on their own superchargers. If this and a regular etron tries charging at a 2-stall location they better park with the charge ports towards the middle or one of them will probably not be able to charge because the other car has parked towards the middle.
In Germany you have V3 nearly everywhere because they added V3 to V2 places plus new stations. In fact S/X without CCS have problems to travel via Germany.
It would be interesting if you could test the Model 3 LR on 1000km challenge on the exact same Ionity chargers, just to get an exact comparison without relying on the few V3 chargers 🙂
Great test, awesome car! Just wondering - you mention that you are not able to test how much faster Model 3 would be because of poor V3 supercharger network. Couldn't you use ionity 250kW charges network with Tesla Model 3?
We're done. In five years time almost every new e-car will be able to do what this Audi can do (probaby as an option - 150kW charging 60kWh as standard). It's game over for gasoline.
I'm not so sure about that, considered, that we are short in cobalt and graphite and both cannot be replaced without sacrificing battery performance. Especially compact cars will suffer from that. Even lithium supply could fall short, if EV sales grow to 50% market share worldwide in 2025.
@@ikocheratcr I bought mine for 14K used. But it's not my only vehicle. All technology starts off expensive, then over time as the tech advances, the prices drop.
Very impressive result. Next big goal with this challenge will be beating the 9 hours mark. Pretty sure you might be able to do that with an EQS on the Autobahn. Hopefully, we will see those massive 800V charging speeds in smaller and more affordable cars soon (ZOE-like compact / city car class).
In Canada of all places you can test out the V3 supercharger network on the Trans-Canada Highway. Supposedly all superchargers on Highway 1 are now V3, and doing a 1000 km challenge could be done.
Hi Bjorn, Does the Audi give you the equivalent of "driving to the line" that the Tesla gives you to predict your usage over your planned trip? What tools does it have to allow you to plan as you drive?
10:14 "substracting 5 minutes for lost time because of failing chargers should be fair" another point of view would be that loosing time with crap chargers and lack of maintenance is 100% usual real everyday life issues (a little less for tesla superchargers) . watching your (very good)videos makes me think that norway is still a lot better than other countries
EQS will be like an icecar 500+ KM Range at 120 kmh and 30 min from 10-80% or 40 min from 10-90%. That means 1000 KM with one big 40 Minute Break and maybe one 5 Minute break.
With etron GT or Taycan you can do it with 2x 15 min stops charging 10-70% for a total of 30 min charging. Up to 57% they can charge faster than EQS max charging speed 200 kW, though EQS is expected to have lower high speed consumption.
@@abraxastulammo9940 It depends on the speed / consumption of course, assuming 400km range (approx. 120-130 km/h with etron GT) the fastest would be 3x 12 min stops charging 10-60% for a total of 36 min.
Man oh man, I love this car and the Taycan, but so expensive! It blows my mind that the Model 3 was the best selling electric car (only now being beat by the Model Y) and yet nobody sells a Model 3 direct competitor. All we get are suvs or big, expensive sedans, no reasonably priced mid size sport sedans like the model 3, despite the fact that it has sold so much better than just about anything else. If Audi made something like an A4 etron and price it similar to model 3, I would be all over that. Model 3 is really monopolizing the market for mid size, efficient electric sport sedans.
But you ,yourself (and sales data supports), just said that Model Y, which is an SUV styled vehicle NOW outsells the Model 3! So clearly this is NOW what the market wants and that is what manufacturers cater to - right?
Hi Bjorn again a very entertaining 1000 km challenge!! A quick question..as for your experience which routeplanner do u you prefer.. Audi’s own or ABRP? Thanks!!
When corona allows you, you should try the Fastned-chargers in Germany and the Netherlands. They are quickly rolling out a dense 300kW network in central Europe.
To make it a fair "competition", I think it's a good idea to order the cars by the total charging times, not the total overall times. I guess the intention is to always drive with same speed (limit + max 10%). However, I have the impression - after having watched many of these 1000 km challenges - that the actual driving speed can vary due to weather, traffic, road conditions etc.
Nope, that's incorrect. Total time is what counts. Some cars need more charging stops and therefore more overhead. Some cars with limited range even had to drive slower to reach the next charger. And some cars overheat the battery and also needed to drive slower.
@@bjornnyland Yeah, I see your point. I agree that the overhead with each charging stop is an important component that should be included in what I called the “charging time”. It will of cause give you an extra logistic task to measure the time it takes to stop and charge - too much to ask maybe 🙂. But I definitely think it would be interesting to know since it would rule out other variables you can’t control. Anyways, it’s nice to follow you on these trips, so thanks for all the valuable information you bring us through all your videos 🙂
Model 3 LR 20 to 80% tests show: V2 supercharger 25min V3 supercharger 22.5 min Ionity 21.5min So according to my tests he should be able to conduct the 1000km challenge using only ionity as it's even faster than v3 superchargers
@@XeonSX ivan yeah but this doesn't result in faster charging time. V3 charges faster only for a short amount of time and in this challenge you're aiming for ~5%soc to 65 to 80% soc
@@Scrap-press I was looking for this and I agree with you. Maybe Bjorn could do the "one thousand km challenge" with Ionity chargers, but thinking it twice, it may suffer from some "coldgating", as no battery preconditioning will be done when travelling to Ionity chargers. Still in summer I think it could be doable ;)
Can't wait for the Ioniq 5 test. Bjorn, tell Stromberg to start selling their fleece zip up's here in the US. The only items I can find are their heavier jackets.
He startet at 22.00 ref. 1:50 and reached 1000 km at 7.40 ref. 17:14, which is 9.40 and minus 5 min is 9.35. The car tripmeter probably does not include the time he has locked the car to go to the restroom or something.
These 1000km challenges you do in the south of Norway does show off the capabilities of the car. It would be nice to see the same test done in the north of Norway. High power chargers up there. Would show the impact of the poor charging infrastructure.
@@abraxastulammo9940 That trip is mostly done with High power chargers. He stops just at the point where he would have had to rely exclusively on 50 KW chargers. And I can understand why. It would add a lot of time to the trip to continue north from there.
@@BjrnRuthberg Yes only 440 km of the timed portion is in the "50 kW only zone", but 1040 km of the total trip which is plenty to note any negative experience with 50 kW chargers. Otherwise a test with 50 kW chargers would be be pretty boring and except for added charging time the results would be exactly like the range/consumption test results, as every car would charge the same. Btw. already this summer there will be built some HPC chargers further north, along Fv.17, E10 and north of Tromsø.
The Trans-Canada Highway coast to coast across Canada has a very long uninterrupted stretch of V3 superchargers. You could test a model 3 there on V3 superchargers continuously across 4270 km from Vancouver to Ottawa on uninterrupted V3 superchargers. Would be interesting to see a cannonball run on that stretch! Tesla charging speeds are not theoretical crossing the Trans-Canada.
Agree with your theory that these new electric cars don't matter compared with "fossil cars" due to normal "human breaks" but it all depends on the charger network. You need many "energy" stations with very fast chargers, enough available spots, together with decent food/rest place. So the bottleneck is not the humans yet it is the slow network building in the world. Norway for the win!
Ok. You summarized the 1000km challenge that it already reached the ICE cars times. So now, 24 hour challenge!!! But you'll definitely need an extra driver for that
TH-camr Andreas Haehnel did 1000km in an iX3 last night in 10h06min on Autobahns. Fast charging Ionity network has basically eliminated range/charging concerns for any reasonably sized EV.
Kind of "funny" that just for once(!) Tesla can not compete since "the charging network is not ready"(lack of v3 as Björn is mentioning in the end of the video)...:-)
@@abraxastulammo9940 Without Tesla, there would not be a Audi e-tron GT or any fast charging pure EV charging at Ionity right now. VW would still sell diesels, just like BMW.
@@bjornnyland Exactly(!) Tesla got a 7 year head start on the old "Ice-manufacturers"!! .. and even if Tesla STILL has an advantage regarding charging/network it is now much smaller than 7 years....thus is great news for all us consumers....more credible manufacturers to choose from drives innovation!!..Even if "the others" catch upp fully Tesla will still survive just fine....Tesla will not dominate as much as they have done previously but that is ok..:-)
@@72freson Yup, totally agree. Competition is good for everyone. So, the question is: IF Tesla survives just fine, whose lunch will they eat? Probably not the Germans (VW, MB and possibly BMW) and probalby not the Koreans either (Hyundai / Kia). I suspect that the Japanese will come on super strong all of a sudden: they have been building hybrids longer than anyone else, so really they just need to have the high speed charging dialed (heat management) and they will be in market instantly. Chinese will come on strong as well. That leaves the American car companies as prey... We'll see how this goes: will be interesting.
I’m always kind of jealous of other Ioniq drivers with the consumption they get with the standard tires etc. my car is lowered and ha2 215/40R18 pilot sport 4 efficiency class E, so if I can get under 16 kWh at speeds of 120 to 130 I’m lucky. My range is typically under 170 kilometers but like most of the good long distance cars coming out it has good charging speed. I think that Audi did a great job on that e tron and i think it’s worth the efficiency loss if you can look badass in the process.
Could you explain (perhaps in a future video) why the Model 3 will charge faster on V3 superchargers? At the moment, I never get more than 140 kW on my Model 3 Long Range. Will the charge speed / curve change on V3? Thanks
In your "high speed" test you got a 22.6 kWh /100 km consumpsion and during the 1000 km challenge you got 25.9, but your average speed was lower in the latter, which one would you consider is more realistic in a daily basis? I mean, there's a 10% difference, no very negligible given that battery manufacturers are struggling to get 5%-10% more energy density.
18:35 I disagree with you.. I think that only when you’ll be able to do it in 8 hours or less EV’s are a real alternative to non EV cars. An EV has to be able to run it like a non EV. This week I had to make a 400 kms trip (200 km’s both ways) to get something from a client and get back. I couldn’t stop more than five minutes. I have an EV Hyundai kona and I had to drive my other car (gasoline) or, otherwise, I wouldn’t be able to do it. There are lot of people that drive long trips besides for pleasure and can not be stopping for long periods of time to charge up. We are getting more and more fast charges that solve part of the problem. Now, efficiency is what has to be improved so EV cars can really be driven for longer trips non stop if needed. Finally, today I just did a 600 km long trip on a non EV car and it took me only 4 hours and 30 minutes with a 10 minutes break. If I would take my EV, the trip would take 7 hours
Dude, in order to do the trip in 8 hours, the *average* speed must be 125 km/h. Good luck trying to get that kind of speed. Even for fossil car, 9 hours was minimum: th-cam.com/video/HdENrYlaez0/w-d-xo.html
I'm not sure what the "challenge" is if you can deduct time for less than optimal circumstances. Wouldn't one be able to calculate the exact time from results of the range test? If so, what's the point of doing the challenge if you can deduct time? I think it would be a challenge if you try your best to navigate through all the unforeseen circumstances, i.e. try your best to match the calculated time.
I think one should only deduct time if the delay is not an EV specific issue, traffic, road works, etc. If it is an EV specific issue like charger failure, slow charging speed, etc, then there should be no deduction. You are right, it is a challenge after all.
We always deduct time if there's something irregular happening that would not happen in other tests. In the recent 1000 km challenge in Model 3 SR+, I had to deduct 15 minutes. Or maybe we should not deduct the 15 minutes? ;)
@@bjornnyland Honestly, I don't think there should be any deduction. This is a 1000 km *challenge* , not a 1000km test. You mentioned in the video that you were "spot on" in your prediction, which means if everything goes as plan, you will already know the time before hand, so why do you still need to test? However, because it is a challenge, then all the unforeseen circumstances should be taken into account. It could be unfortunate things like traffic, it could be problematic things like charging, car problems or even mistakes that you make, etc. That's why it is a challenge.
@@bochap2127 His TH-cam channel, his test. He can do it as he likes: only caveat is that he should be consistent regardless of brand of car (which he is).
@@bjornnyland Maybe one has to clarify is this a test or a challenge? I find that it would be more interesting if it were a challenge because from the range test and charging test results, you would already be able to tell the result of the 1000km test. A challenge makes it much more interesting because of the unpredictability.
Oslo and the surrounding areas have 5G - All of Norway has 5G during 2022. 3 networks are being built - also a Huawei network that would satisfy Chinese cars :)
Definitely, again, only a car for those who have more than enough money (5% of people) and / or those who can get it as a company car (1%). So...yeah...
Now you need to do it with the same Perfect conditions as model 3 yesterday. Always 20 degree no rain and almost no wind. The result would be even under 09:30
I think Björn did an awesome job on both runs and got the max. possible out on the cars based on the given conditions :) If if if won't help, of course conditions can always have some impact but he states the ambient temperature in his overview.
If money is no object, a really awesome vehicle; but for the options available to match a Tesla, there is no comparison! Tesla gives you so much more with the 2021 Long range for way under 100K!!!
@@abraxastulammo9940 I am in the market and have my eyes on a few EVs such as the Tesla, Hyundai, Acura (Type S), and anything in the AWD/>300 mile range/60-85K/and more bag for my bucks! The Lucid looks intriguing, but cars are priced like Mercedes/Audis/Porches/...out of reach
What’s the speed limit on this 1000km route? With these IONITY chargers and that driving speed, you finish your 1000km 2,5hrs faster than my 710km commute to Trondheim in my Taycan on the pedestrian 50kW chargers... I hate sucking on 50kW slow chargers
I bet dealers don’t explain the benefits of selecting the right chargers to buyers - they will just quote the best case. You are doing them a service by demonstrating the difference.
One of the most exciting 1000 km challenges in recent months :)
living the driving life vicariously through bjorn.....also nice to learn that we are at the threshold of the human being the bottleneck....all the complaints about ev's and range go out the window once charging gets to this speed - the networks will rapidly improve ...thanks
ill take what i can
Yeah, he's convinced me to wait for the Ioniq 5 or EV6 with 350 kW charging. I really wanted a Polestar 2 with tan leather seats and gold Brembo brakes but it maxes out at 150 kW and that seems kind of slow these days. Don't like Tesla but the 250 kW v3 Supercharger network makes long road trips in an EV seem almost like using a gas car.
We are nearing, but not there yet. For me, personally, the limit is 10 to 80 % (let's call it 300 km of range as that's what matters, not percentages) in about 5 minutes. Pushing further doesn't really make much sense to me. And it's doable. It would be expensive but we have the technology (it's primarily about the battery). Then again I don't have children or a dog and I don't need 20 minutes for a bathroom break. I also prefer to prepare my own food for a trip. But yes, 350 kW is serviceable and certainly a lot better than 50 kW.
No, the real challenge is something like towing. Not only current electric vehicles don't have the capacity to tow heavier trailers, consumption will go through the roof and good luck charging with a trailer attached. Roof racks are less of a headache but still significantly impact consumption and therefore range. And that's the dilema for me. As long as EVs can't do it, I will have to keep a conventional car whether I like it or not. And in that case, should I really buy a bigger, touring EV or should I stick to a city car where EV has the biggest benefit (and which will cover majority of my driving)? Reason says Fiat 500, heart says e-tron GT.
@@jobicek It's those stoopid (can't even spell it dumb) wheels that are killing the range. I was looking at a new GV70 for a highway cruiser and with 21" rims the 4 cylinder gets the same (bad) gas mileage as the V6. Boggles my mind why anyone would do that to their EV, it literally defeats the purpose of going electric.
Now I wish that the charging infrastructure would be as awesome in the UK as in Norway. Amazing how fast this thing charges.
Totally agree 👍
That is one sexy and fast far!
Thanks for all your videos Bjørn. They helped convince me that the time to get an EV is now. Ordered a Skoda Enyaq 3 days ago!
man bjorn is pumping out so much quality content
And commercials
@@simacmarko1 lol
u dont mess with norwegian boyz!
He need to fill up his energy doing other stuff too
Incredible performance Bjorn and Audi, Audi e-Tron GT is really the queen. And what a sexy queen!
Nice! You will be happy to hear that the Taycan get as good range and efficiency while being able to sleep in the back as there is no annoying blockage above your legs and the car will operate without noise. You can get a 4s or a Taycan 2wd. Also, my Michelin tires are not quite as high aspect ratio making for a wonderful ride. Congratulations on the record! I just did a 1000km trip myself and found the trip and charging wonderful.
Hello. Please correct me if I am wrong. At the end of the run you showed 1000 km and 9:30 hours. You had a delay of 5 minutes due to faulty charger. So you have to deduct 5 minutes from 9:30, right? Then you should register 9:25. Instead you added 5 minutes to 9:30 and got 9:35.
I believe the time calculation is against the clock, not against what the car measured. The clock showed 7 :41, it was morning, he started at 10 :00 in the evening, so the total trip time is 9h41'. If you subtract 5' you get to 9h36' which Bjorn rounds to the nearest multiple of 5' and so you get the final figures: 9h35'.
Car tripmeter is normally also only counting when the car is "on", and in some cars only the actual driving time.
Nice to see/hear some change in the music
Your videos continue to provide good information on BEV’s. I really like seeing the charging of the car as well.
Suggestion - for the parts when you are underway and just playing music, how about showing statistics/telemetry as you go - time, location, speed, consumption, etc?
Thanks for the great content. I would love to see a slight modification of the 1000 km challenge. I would love to know what 4 passengers, a roof rack and a lot of cargo in both the rack and the boot does to the consumption figures. Thanks in advance.
It might add only 5 minutes to the total time.
Great Video thanks!! Is there a 1000 km challenge planed for the Mercedes EQS? Really interesting what wins really long range or incredible charching speed.
He will probably do all tests if he is given the car for enough time. If he is only given the car for a day or two he will probably only do range test 90 and 120 as well as acceleration, noise test and charging speed. That is enough to estimate 1000km challenge in the spreadsheet
Norway gets EQS first and the cars arrive in September. We also do not know the price - it will be public in June.
@@josefv-y8m i think 770km for the 1000km range is not realistic
Now that the EV times have reached the time of a fossil petrol car maybe you should change the way you do this challenges to a less planned trip so it'll be even more realistic. Just a kind suggestion, keep up the good work
Great result, one thing to note is the temperature difference between the Audi and other cars, which effects efficiency a lot. Even with that it created a new record.
Actually it doesn't. The time difference might be just a few minutes.
@@bjornnyland it only need to cut away 10 more minutes to beat the ice reference and the temp difference should be enough to do that.
I'm happy for you, because you have the chance to drive such a piece of technology, who's in other league in comparison with all other EV's! Great video!👏
We were on a road trip in the Etron 55, stopped to charge and walked to a restaurant that was a little busy. Got a notification on my iWatch that the car had fully charged before the food came to our table! The Etron 55 @ 150KW is usually almost done charging after a restroom break. Fast Charging is only a small time penalty over running an ICE car.
That's actually a negative for an EV, because you have to walk back to the car to move it away before eating.
@@bochap2127 Actually, it's a positive, because in an ICE vehicle, you would have spend 5 mins with the car while you were refueling, then head to the restaurant. In an EV, you just start the charge then leave it until it's done. And e-tron 55 is beast mode when charging on 150+kW chargers!
@@biff2bart509 You have to read what he wrote. He said the car was fully charged before the food came to the table. You can't leave it until it's done, you have to unplug once its done. Many chargers will start charging expensive idle fees if you do not return to unplug and drive away. Also, in an ICE car, you can park next to the restaurant and not have to park at the charger and walk to the restaurant, so the 5 minutes extra for putting in fuel is negligible.
@@bochap2127 I read exactly what he said. Yeah, you have to stop if you don't want idle fees (or should stop if you don't want idle fees), but you can plug in your car, go get your food started (which will be the LONGER part of the process) a few minutes before you would finish filling up with gas. Most chargers also have about 10 mins of free idle time, so it's not like you have to rush away from your table the instant it finishes charging. After owning half a dozen ICE cars, I've made the switch to EVs and there are very few downsides unless: you're in a rural area / lack infrastructure or you need to drive a LOT very regularly (or the initial cost is too high). All of these situations are improving extremely quickly in many places in the world. It's not for everyone, but it's certainly good now for many / most people in the developed world.
@@biff2bart509 I'm not saying ICE is better than EV overall. I'm saying that in this particular aspect, ICE beats EV *if the EV charges too quickly* .
""" you can plug in your car, go get your food started (which will be the LONGER part of the process) a few minutes before you would finish filling up with gas."""
This *absolutely makes no sense* . You don't plug in your car to fill it with gas.
Bottom line is that if the car charges too quickly, you have to return to the car, unplug, drive it off, park and go back to the restaurant. This is a disadvantage. Remember, the charger will not be next to the restaurant. It is going to take perhaps 5 minutes to walk there.
It would have been fun to see Model 3 on the same stretch and on ionity chargers :)
Another great video, thank you so much. In order to compare cars, and not only talk about travel time, why don't you test model 3 with those new fast chargers instead of using Tesla V2 superchargers ? I experienced myself a road trip of 3000 km even before supercharger V3, and I got way better charging speeds on Ionity chargers compared to Tesla V2
That car is drop dead gorgeous! Prettier than the Porsche even if it shares a lot in common. Interesting planning as always.
Love the music. Keep up the good work.
100% agree : the Human is the limiting factor in normal use, (ie no relay driver system). I found my 100kW limited Model 3 SR+ in 2019 matched my desired breaks with its charging needs. Faster charging and / or longer range just add FLEXIBILITY.
I couldn't disagree more with you on chargeport location. Front right is the optimum position, because often you charge in parking places parallel to the street. Then it is stupid if the chargeport on the left side.
@@rogerstarkey5390 Then it must be rear right. But for sure not on the left side. Except for UK, India, Australia, Japan, of course.
@@MiccaPhone This car has AC charging on front left in addition to CCS-combi on front right, though I think most people buying this car has garage parking at home and will not be charging much while street parked. For drive-through fast chargers it does not matter, but for "nose in" chargers it would be better with front left or rear right which is most common among other EVs except Tesla which mostly charges on their own superchargers. If this and a regular etron tries charging at a 2-stall location they better park with the charge ports towards the middle or one of them will probably not be able to charge because the other car has parked towards the middle.
In Germany you have V3 nearly everywhere because they added V3 to V2 places plus new stations. In fact S/X without CCS have problems to travel via Germany.
It would be interesting if you could test the Model 3 LR on 1000km challenge on the exact same Ionity chargers, just to get an exact comparison without relying on the few V3 chargers 🙂
Great test, awesome car! Just wondering - you mention that you are not able to test how much faster Model 3 would be because of poor V3 supercharger network. Couldn't you use ionity 250kW charges network with Tesla Model 3?
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@@bjornnyland grabbing a coffee now and watching! Thank you for quick reply! All the best and good luck with further awesome work you do!
Thanks Bjorn, it's always a pleasure to watch your video!
We're done. In five years time almost every new e-car will be able to do what this Audi can do (probaby as an option - 150kW charging 60kWh as standard). It's game over for gasoline.
I think it's 270kW, like the new Kia. 200 miles in under 20 minutes is what EVs need to go mainstream.
I'm not so sure about that, considered, that we are short in cobalt and graphite and both cannot be replaced without sacrificing battery performance. Especially compact cars will suffer from that. Even lithium supply could fall short, if EV sales grow to 50% market share worldwide in 2025.
@@outdoorolli5754 there used to be a whale oil shortage too.
I am not 100% sure sadly... The price is still hi. I for cannot afford one :(
@@ikocheratcr I bought mine for 14K used. But it's not my only vehicle. All technology starts off expensive, then over time as the tech advances, the prices drop.
Appreciate your insights, your effort, and the beauty in the video.
Great music! Pump it up for the GT!
Very impressive result. Next big goal with this challenge will be beating the 9 hours mark. Pretty sure you might be able to do that with an EQS on the Autobahn.
Hopefully, we will see those massive 800V charging speeds in smaller and more affordable cars soon (ZOE-like compact / city car class).
Beating 9h for 1000km in a country where the top speed is 110km/h mostly? Hard ....
@@jadziadax8658 You have not read my comment properly. The word "Autobahn" is the key.
Then it's not considered 1000 km challenge. The challenge is based on driving on roads with speed limits. This is supposed to be a *real world* test.
In Canada of all places you can test out the V3 supercharger network on the Trans-Canada Highway. Supposedly all superchargers on Highway 1 are now V3, and doing a 1000 km challenge could be done.
Would it be an idea to add number of charging stops and total charging time to the spreadsheet?
Another good video from you Bjorn 🙏👌
Hi Bjorn, Does the Audi give you the equivalent of "driving to the line" that the Tesla gives you to predict your usage over your planned trip? What tools does it have to allow you to plan as you drive?
10:14 "substracting 5 minutes for lost time because of failing chargers should be fair" another point of view would be that loosing time with crap chargers and lack of maintenance is 100% usual real everyday life issues (a little less for tesla superchargers) . watching your (very good)videos makes me think that norway is still a lot better than other countries
Once you watch the next 1000 km challenge done in Model 3, you will think this is fair. Over there, I had to subtract 15 minutes.
EQS will be like an icecar 500+ KM Range at 120 kmh and 30 min from 10-80% or 40 min from 10-90%.
That means 1000 KM with one big 40 Minute Break and maybe one 5 Minute break.
With etron GT or Taycan you can do it with 2x 15 min stops charging 10-70% for a total of 30 min charging. Up to 57% they can charge faster than EQS max charging speed 200 kW, though EQS is expected to have lower high speed consumption.
@@abraxastulammo9940 It depends on the speed / consumption of course, assuming 400km range (approx. 120-130 km/h with etron GT) the fastest would be 3x 12 min stops charging 10-60% for a total of 36 min.
If only all EVs were this good 😲💪🏻
the music at about 5:30 , for a second i thought it was Faithless Insomnia .. kind of appropriate
It‘s always Darude - Sandstorm
Mmm agree with you about the looks!
Man oh man, I love this car and the Taycan, but so expensive! It blows my mind that the Model 3 was the best selling electric car (only now being beat by the Model Y) and yet nobody sells a Model 3 direct competitor. All we get are suvs or big, expensive sedans, no reasonably priced mid size sport sedans like the model 3, despite the fact that it has sold so much better than just about anything else. If Audi made something like an A4 etron and price it similar to model 3, I would be all over that. Model 3 is really monopolizing the market for mid size, efficient electric sport sedans.
You can try the Ioniq 28kwh. 2nd hand, cheap and good.
But you ,yourself (and sales data supports), just said that Model Y, which is an SUV styled vehicle NOW outsells the Model 3! So clearly this is NOW what the market wants and that is what manufacturers cater to - right?
That is so much better looking than any Tesla.
0:52 "Merrill Howard Kalin - MMMMMmmmm so good"
You can do the Model 3 1000 km Test with IONITY Chargers. Maybe you can beat the etron GT ;-)
Hi Bjorn again a very entertaining 1000 km challenge!! A quick question..as for your experience which routeplanner do u you prefer.. Audi’s own or ABRP? Thanks!!
unfortunately it migh even be difficult to find DC chargers with 50 KW on the road in some countries...
That's what Arctic Circle trip is all about.
@@bjornnyland even arctic circle trips in norway seem far better and easier experience than most other countries concerning weak and failing chargers
When corona allows you, you should try the Fastned-chargers in Germany and the Netherlands. They are quickly rolling out a dense 300kW network in central Europe.
To make it a fair "competition", I think it's a good idea to order the cars by the total charging times, not the total overall times. I guess the intention is to always drive with same speed (limit + max 10%). However, I have the impression - after having watched many of these 1000 km challenges - that the actual driving speed can vary due to weather, traffic, road conditions etc.
Nope, that's incorrect. Total time is what counts. Some cars need more charging stops and therefore more overhead. Some cars with limited range even had to drive slower to reach the next charger. And some cars overheat the battery and also needed to drive slower.
@@bjornnyland Yeah, I see your point. I agree that the overhead with each charging stop is an important component that should be included in what I called the “charging time”. It will of cause give you an extra logistic task to measure the time it takes to stop and charge - too much to ask maybe 🙂. But I definitely think it would be interesting to know since it would rule out other variables you can’t control. Anyways, it’s nice to follow you on these trips, so thanks for all the valuable information you bring us through all your videos 🙂
Why does a model 3 charge not as fast as a Tycan at Ionity? Obviously the Ionnity chargers could deliver the charging speed?
Model 3 LR 20 to 80% tests show: V2 supercharger 25min
V3 supercharger 22.5 min
Ionity 21.5min
So according to my tests he should be able to conduct the 1000km challenge using only ionity as it's even faster than v3 superchargers
@@XeonSX ivan yeah but this doesn't result in faster charging time. V3 charges faster only for a short amount of time and in this challenge you're aiming for ~5%soc to 65 to 80% soc
@@Scrap-press I was looking for this and I agree with you. Maybe Bjorn could do the "one thousand km challenge" with Ionity chargers, but thinking it twice, it may suffer from some "coldgating", as no battery preconditioning will be done when travelling to Ionity chargers. Still in summer I think it could be doable ;)
@@abraxastulammo9940 As far as I know, Tesla cars only pre-condition battery only when navigating to SuC
Can't wait for the Ioniq 5 test. Bjorn, tell Stromberg to start selling their fleece zip up's here in the US. The only items I can find are their heavier jackets.
Youre time on the screen was 9h30min, didnt you say because of the ionity chargers you would do minus 5mins? So that would be 9h25?
Time on the screen is just when the car was in motion + when it was stationary and powered on. Look at starting time and end time instead.
5:34 Bjorn brings the groove
What is the name of it? Sounds really cool! I want to listen to it! :)
@@campusto Lies - NM
Was it not minus 5 minutes? If so, should it not be 9:25?
He startet at 22.00 ref. 1:50 and reached 1000 km at 7.40 ref. 17:14, which is 9.40 and minus 5 min is 9.35. The car tripmeter probably does not include the time he has locked the car to go to the restroom or something.
Man i am so curious to see, if the ioniq 5 72,6 kwh can do it in 10:00 h.
Same, I think it will be
Great content as always 👍
These 1000km challenges you do in the south of Norway does show off the capabilities of the car. It would be nice to see the same test done in the north of Norway. High power chargers up there. Would show the impact of the poor charging infrastructure.
Thats what his driving to arctic circle test is all about. th-cam.com/video/CETJRMswTfc/w-d-xo.html
@@abraxastulammo9940 That trip is mostly done with High power chargers. He stops just at the point where he would have had to rely exclusively on 50 KW chargers. And I can understand why. It would add a lot of time to the trip to continue north from there.
@@BjrnRuthberg Yes only 440 km of the timed portion is in the "50 kW only zone", but 1040 km of the total trip which is plenty to note any negative experience with 50 kW chargers. Otherwise a test with 50 kW chargers would be be pretty boring and except for added charging time the results would be exactly like the range/consumption test results, as every car would charge the same. Btw. already this summer there will be built some HPC chargers further north, along Fv.17, E10 and north of Tromsø.
The Trans-Canada Highway coast to coast across Canada has a very long uninterrupted stretch of V3 superchargers. You could test a model 3 there on V3 superchargers continuously across 4270 km from Vancouver to Ottawa on uninterrupted V3 superchargers. Would be interesting to see a cannonball run on that stretch! Tesla charging speeds are not theoretical crossing the Trans-Canada.
you could take model 3 LR for 1000km and let's see where it fit on your spreadsheet
When it is possible with Covid, please do a 1000km challenge in the Netherlands, lots of V3 superchargers there
Agree with your theory that these new electric cars don't matter compared with "fossil cars" due to normal "human breaks" but it all depends on the charger network.
You need many "energy" stations with very fast chargers, enough available spots, together with decent food/rest place.
So the bottleneck is not the humans yet it is the slow network building in the world. Norway for the win!
At some point the battery size of the car doesn't matter, it's the charging network that is important.
Is this color kemora gray?
yes
Next big thing would be to use an old fashioned antenna to fetch for lighning strikes that would charge your car in a second while driving. ⚡😉
Ok. You summarized the 1000km challenge that it already reached the ICE cars times. So now, 24 hour challenge!!! But you'll definitely need an extra driver for that
Hey Bjørn, if you do a 1000 km Challenge with a Model 3 again, you should only visit V3 superchargers 😄 would be cool to compare
Not possible 21:30
Did you watch the video?
TH-camr Andreas Haehnel did 1000km in an iX3 last night in 10h06min on Autobahns. Fast charging Ionity network has basically eliminated range/charging concerns for any reasonably sized EV.
TM3 could charge on ionity too. Why don't you use v3 and ionity to see if tm3 lr can do less than 9h35
Aptera will be able to do your 1000km challenge in undwer 8h, likely at around 7h if there's no traffic.
Not possible without breaking the law.
Aptera is the solution for travelling salesman.
@@abraxastulammo9940 What do you mean?
After 3 years, I still think it is the best-looking EV on the market.
Bjorn first to define the DIN standard for real world EV performance still THE benchmark.......No BS here.
Man this car is awesome
I think a good rule is always use the fastest chargers possible for the car your testing.
Kind of "funny" that just for once(!) Tesla can not compete since "the charging network is not ready"(lack of v3 as Björn is mentioning in the end of the video)...:-)
@@abraxastulammo9940 Without Tesla, there would not be a Audi e-tron GT or any fast charging pure EV charging at Ionity right now. VW would still sell diesels, just like BMW.
The funny thing is that it took them 7 years to beat Tesla. For now.
@@bjornnyland Exactly(!) Tesla got a 7 year head start on the old "Ice-manufacturers"!! .. and even if Tesla STILL has an advantage regarding charging/network it is now much smaller than 7 years....thus is great news for all us consumers....more credible manufacturers to choose from drives innovation!!..Even if "the others" catch upp fully Tesla will still survive just fine....Tesla will not dominate as much as they have done previously but that is ok..:-)
@@72freson that's a mature reply
@@72freson Yup, totally agree. Competition is good for everyone.
So, the question is: IF Tesla survives just fine, whose lunch will they eat? Probably not the Germans (VW, MB and possibly BMW) and probalby not the Koreans either (Hyundai / Kia). I suspect that the Japanese will come on super strong all of a sudden: they have been building hybrids longer than anyone else, so really they just need to have the high speed charging dialed (heat management) and they will be in market instantly. Chinese will come on strong as well. That leaves the American car companies as prey...
We'll see how this goes: will be interesting.
'A future so bright, we need to whear shades'. It's from a song. Who was the artist?
I would really love to be a part of a 1000km challenge. Night drive, Electric car. That would be a great experience.
Norway is just a genius country.
They have come so far with electric cars.
I’m always kind of jealous of other Ioniq drivers with the consumption they get with the standard tires etc. my car is lowered and ha2 215/40R18 pilot sport 4 efficiency class E, so if I can get under 16 kWh at speeds of 120 to 130 I’m lucky. My range is typically under 170 kilometers but like most of the good long distance cars coming out it has good charging speed. I think that Audi did a great job on that e tron and i think it’s worth the efficiency loss if you can look badass in the process.
how much do you pay for a full charge in Norway!
Could you explain (perhaps in a future video) why the Model 3 will charge faster on V3 superchargers? At the moment, I never get more than 140 kW on my Model 3 Long Range. Will the charge speed / curve change on V3? Thanks
Hey Bjorn, love your videos. I have a small suggestion: use "wide" and "narrow" when referring to tires.
Sorry, dude. It's all about fat tires for me.
In your "high speed" test you got a 22.6 kWh /100 km consumpsion and during the 1000 km challenge you got 25.9, but your average speed was lower in the latter, which one would you consider is more realistic in a daily basis? I mean, there's a 10% difference, no very negligible given that battery manufacturers are struggling to get 5%-10% more energy density.
Worse weather during 1000 km challenge. And slightly higher cruising speed.
Will Tesla 3 go slower on Ionity charger than Supercharger V3?
18:35 I disagree with you.. I think that only when you’ll be able to do it in 8 hours or less EV’s are a real alternative to non EV cars. An EV has to be able to run it like a non EV. This week I had to make a 400 kms trip (200 km’s both ways) to get something from a client and get back. I couldn’t stop more than five minutes. I have an EV Hyundai kona and I had to drive my other car (gasoline) or, otherwise, I wouldn’t be able to do it.
There are lot of people that drive long trips besides for pleasure and can not be stopping for long periods of time to charge up.
We are getting more and more fast charges that solve part of the problem. Now, efficiency is what has to be improved so EV cars can really be driven for longer trips non stop if needed.
Finally, today I just did a 600 km long trip on a non EV car and it took me only 4 hours and 30 minutes with a 10 minutes break. If I would take my EV, the trip would take 7 hours
Dude, in order to do the trip in 8 hours, the *average* speed must be 125 km/h. Good luck trying to get that kind of speed. Even for fossil car, 9 hours was minimum:
th-cam.com/video/HdENrYlaez0/w-d-xo.html
Plugin hybrids are a logical choice over EVs if you live in North America.
I'm not sure what the "challenge" is if you can deduct time for less than optimal circumstances. Wouldn't one be able to calculate the exact time from results of the range test? If so, what's the point of doing the challenge if you can deduct time? I think it would be a challenge if you try your best to navigate through all the unforeseen circumstances, i.e. try your best to match the calculated time.
I think one should only deduct time if the delay is not an EV specific issue, traffic, road works, etc. If it is an EV specific issue like charger failure, slow charging speed, etc, then there should be no deduction. You are right, it is a challenge after all.
We always deduct time if there's something irregular happening that would not happen in other tests. In the recent 1000 km challenge in Model 3 SR+, I had to deduct 15 minutes. Or maybe we should not deduct the 15 minutes? ;)
@@bjornnyland Honestly, I don't think there should be any deduction. This is a 1000 km *challenge* , not a 1000km test. You mentioned in the video that you were "spot on" in your prediction, which means if everything goes as plan, you will already know the time before hand, so why do you still need to test? However, because it is a challenge, then all the unforeseen circumstances should be taken into account. It could be unfortunate things like traffic, it could be problematic things like charging, car problems or even mistakes that you make, etc. That's why it is a challenge.
@@bochap2127 His TH-cam channel, his test. He can do it as he likes: only caveat is that he should be consistent regardless of brand of car (which he is).
@@bjornnyland Maybe one has to clarify is this a test or a challenge? I find that it would be more interesting if it were a challenge because from the range test and charging test results, you would already be able to tell the result of the 1000km test. A challenge makes it much more interesting because of the unpredictability.
Does the eTron GT have a better battery warranty than the Taycan?
It is the same 160000 km / 8 years.
@@nordlands8798 70% capacity?
@@nicoleqte Yes, ie. basically failed pack/module.
Will be interesting how autopilot will come into play here once you are allowed to give it full control and eat etc. while you are being driven.
Oslo and the surrounding areas have 5G - All of Norway has 5G during 2022. 3 networks are being built - also a Huawei network that would satisfy Chinese cars :)
That is, 80 something battery capacity + 250 KW speed of charging = ICE car, the only problem is the price of this cars.
Definitely, again, only a car for those who have more than enough money (5% of people) and / or those who can get it as a company car (1%). So...yeah...
can't you do the m3 test on ionity?
Now you need to do it with the same Perfect conditions as model 3 yesterday. Always 20 degree no rain and almost no wind. The result would be even under 09:30
He did it in 10 hours yesterday.
@@alphafoxtrot2100 I know. With perfect conditions.
But Model 3 had traffic. The run with e-tron GT had no traffic which can be up to 5 minutes faster. Always know the conditions ;)
@@bjornnyland so you think, even with better weather audi has no possibility to do it under 09:30?
I think Björn did an awesome job on both runs and got the max. possible out on the cars based on the given conditions :) If if if won't help, of course conditions can always have some impact but he states the ambient temperature in his overview.
Wow,Game over for Tesla!
Nice new techno ;-)
Technology is changing to quickly. We still got induction charging to come. Plus the range will double or triple very soon.
If money is no object, a really awesome vehicle; but for the options available to match a Tesla, there is no comparison! Tesla gives you so much more with the 2021 Long range for way under 100K!!!
@@abraxastulammo9940 I am in the market and have my eyes on a few EVs such as the Tesla, Hyundai, Acura (Type S), and anything in the AWD/>300 mile range/60-85K/and more bag for my bucks! The Lucid looks intriguing, but cars are priced like Mercedes/Audis/Porches/...out of reach
What will be the time if this test was taken in mainland Europe (exept Germany) with max speed of 140km/h and everything else the same?
Probably about the same since charger coverage is excellent in Norway compared to many other European countries.
What’s the speed limit on this 1000km route? With these IONITY chargers and that driving speed, you finish your 1000km 2,5hrs faster than my 710km commute to Trondheim in my Taycan on the pedestrian 50kW chargers... I hate sucking on 50kW slow chargers
110 km/h
Great video!!!
Hey man. Thanks a lot
I bet dealers don’t explain the benefits of selecting the right chargers to buyers - they will just quote the best case. You are doing them a service by demonstrating the difference.
Was those new chargers that replace tritium also tritium? In Australia (where they’re built) they are so unreliable
@@abraxastulammo9940 lol idiot. They are only made here
NIO es8 is coming to Norway please review it
The chargebeast delivered it