When I remember the worst charging speed of my ID3 1st Edition VW learned a lot in the last 4 years. A really good car and it’s so boring to read some comments with always the same message that Tesla can do it better blablabla…. people should recognize that the EV World can in the meantime offer other cars than Teslas which are competitive and will bring more people to EV mobility.
I never really got into Teslas. But i started with small battery VW eUp! Now i have the newer Skoda Citigo-e with larger battery and Peugeot E2008. Previously the problem have been that there haven't been basic cars that you use as daily driver, None of the Teslas are basic cars and because of that, they are expensive. I don't need in car big screens or hundreds of kilowatts power or even huge ranges... I need it to go from A to B easily and smoothly. ANd three times per year, hit the road, and Peugeot manages to do that just fine. I live in Northern finland and i do not agree that the car has specially short range in winter, and yes it is short, but still 140-150km in -33C weather what we have every winter for weeks. So in the winter, i need to charge it every other day, but i want to heat it, so i use charging so that the car is warm when i leave and range is at the maximum.
@@SergeyPRKL I fully agree with you. In my opinion the BEV way has to be directed to smaller batteries and high efficiency. For daily use ranges of approx 250-300 km WLTP are far enough for most users which have a yearly range of approx 5-10.000 km
@@SergeyPRKLAnd Peugeot has a nice lion as a bage,who doesnt Like that?Looks realy cool!The Lion stays on two legs the other he want to Attack!Realy great!From Tesla you only get a strange T,very dissapointing!
as a company, we are switchting away from Teslas to VWs (mainly ID7s) due to various reasons: -our employees are way more happy with them due to all the features, space, increased comfort etc -the difference in efficiency in real world use (especially in winter) is actually smaller than expected -we (hopefully) get less discussions with the leasing company about production defects the leasing company tries to blame us for when returning the car. -last but not least, they are way cheaper to lease. not because VWs are incredibly cheap, just because Teslas are ridiculously expensive. so much for the price difference from a company perspective (that's different of course if you buy that car as a private person) i am not dogmatic about different EV brands and VWs are by no means perfect, but that switch was rather easy.... the overall package is just good. not the best in any way, but no real weaknesses either. they just work great in daily use with not too many problems and acceptable TCO.
your employees seems to like the absolut worst software on the market, but at least apple carplay and android auto are there to save them from the complete disaster, that VW is giving them away so cheap is also only possible because they wouldn't get them on the streets otherwise
@@Jooga31 its still underpowered und complete stone age old to have those 173 menu and under menu plus the. Even the navi map isnt smooth at all. Its like the new taycan… whatever even porsche is thinking to deliever this kind of infotainment to the costumer in 2024
Great test, Bjørn! I own an ID7 and will keep the car for as long as possible. Have done 14000 km now. I did a round trip from Lillestrøm to Karlskoga a few weeks ago, which is about 560 km. Didn’t go slow at all; set the cc at 130 in the 110 and 120 zones. Roughly 20+ over everywhere. Charged for 15 mins in Karlstad while eating a burger, that was it. The average consumption was 19,4 if I remember correctly. Arrived home with plenty of juice in the battery. All in all, it is like you say: very efficient car, lot of equipment for the money. And now you will get even more bang for the buck with the new gtx.
I have a Cupra Born and I am sure that my next car will be an EV and 90% still of VW Group. But I would be happy if they do a ”super” Born , like Hyundai Ioniq 5 N or Volvo Ex30 Twin Motor Performance, or Smart Brabus. Ciao
I really love our ID.7, it was shifted from a Passat GTE. We usually drive around 400km through Denmark and it does it perfectly. A great supplement to our ID.3 which works as a daily commuter car. Especially when both cars are charged by solar power from the roof. Thank you for a great review.
This is really a very decent car with plenty of room. VW came a long way here, but they are fixing all tje things: Software, charging, power...Packaging and comfort have always been good. With the new bigger battery this one is an awesome car for a fair price - given the value und made in Europe under fair circumstances. I just don't like the looks so much and will go for the A6 instead
Thank you for the test I asume with the 86kw battery it will beat the model 3 as it will charge 200kw at peak and the bigger battery will give it probably 50km more range.😊
@@CarViewer 10kw more will give you 40km more in the beginning, which saves around 3 to 4 min of charging. After that you never charge to 100 percent, so it will not save you any time. People always think larger battery means more range. True only in the beginning. On this test it will barely save 5 minutes overall, and the car will be much more expensive. For pretty much nothing. If you wanna charge fast, get a model y sr. Charges to 70 percent in 15 min, it will always be faster than a Id7, and consumes way less. 39k fully loaded
@@christophw.717a bigger battery charges more energy in the same time. So it has roughly 10% more capacity than the 77 kWh version. It will charge 10% more energy in the same time… Björn did mostly 15 minute charges and received ~40 kWh. In that time the bigger one would probably have charged ~44 kWh. Not a big difference. But still a difference.
@@ChouduSieben The car is heavier, uses more energy, it will safe MAYBE 5-10 minutes for the whole 1000 km. It will not beat the model 3 LR. The all wheel drive version of the passat ID7 will be much more energy hungry and will take more time for the 1000 km challenge.
Bjorn so awesome that you did these 1000km challenges, thank you so much! I'm looking into buying an EV and this information is so extremely helpful! I recently did a 3000km trip with fossil car (max 900km/day, so on the way there and on the way home we had some stop somewhere) EVs are perfect for doing this, since every 200kms we already stopped with our petrol dino burner! I think for me it will be either ID.3 or Model 3, I like that the ID.3 is much more spacious (for passengers) and is a hatchback, I could transport more in the back!
True. Don't forget the Audi with the A6. Right now it is probably the best upper mid-size sedan in Western countries. Mercedes CLA will be the best EV of its class. BMW iX3 will be awesome, too, but I am especially looking forward for the i3 seda. Volkswagen will launch nice sub-compact cars with the ID.2/Skoda Epiq.
I got an identical ID7 the very same day as you. Supposedly the first in Norway. I didn’t make it the 12 km ride home before the screens went totally black. It came back on, but went black again! After driving an identical loaner for 3 weeks, the VW dealership told me they had fixed it, after getting special assistance from the factory. After one day, the screens went black again, and I told the dealer I didn’t want to be a ginnipig anymore, so they took the car back without any discussion. Great service, and the car was very comfortable. But VW’s software is way behind some of the competition, and I won’t touch a VW for the next few years.
best ID, best deal for an ID - with no major weaknesses, but also no outstanding strengths - typical Volkswagen. But the intended use also has to be right and it's still too expensive for a family car, but maybe VW has very cheap leasing offers here to boost poor sales, there are at least many immediately available vehicles in stock?!
@@bjornnyland of course but it's hard to get real figures with too many variables. Slower drive means colder battery, less consumption, more time, who knows what all that would do to the charging curve. Also the 86kwh is rated more efficient than the 77kwh in official figures: 14kwh/100km vs 13.6, that is 3% more efficient. IDK where it comes from, maybe battery shape on the underside
In the old MEB (Enyaq ...3.0) you could setup climate to start with unlock or with "ignition on". Maybe bug during charging could be avoided with the "ignition on" setting.
This is what most of the people don't get. The wheels, they have very significant portion of the consumption. I have an i4 with 17 inch aero wheels without M pack which has 5% bigger drag coefficient. At 130 km/h the consumption is around 17-18 kWh/100 km. The 17 inch wheels width is 225 comparing the 18 which front 245 and rear 255. I can make 450 kilometers on highway at summer without any problem.
@@edwins. Look for it in the google: "future bmw model information" The bimmerpost has a page where you can see when they expect the NA1 i3 or the upgrade of the i4 which is expected in 2025.
Would be interesting with a 1000 km challange where the outside temperature is above 20 C all the time to see if the cooling could handle it. Would be a more realistic summer test for it. :)
Listening to your voice speaking in the car I get the impression the acoustics are more natural than in the Tesla Y. I considered the glass roof to be the large issue, but since this car also has one…well something else is in play. Maybe cabin height?
I chose Model 3 LR instead of ID.7 and it was a mistake. So far (after 8000km over EU) I have a list of things M3 has worse than my old Skoda Superb. VW would suit me better 😢
@@kenion2166 I already promised my daughter I will give it to her. It’s a nice car for beginners like her (once I retrofit the missing stalks). My new favorite is Audi A6 e-tron (I like its design a bit more than ID.7). Will see if I can afford it next year.
@@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl not really, in which country lmao...? I mean Porsche taycan losing 50% in 2 years. But my model3 was selling for almost no loss cause of the tax credits :D
Bjørn is on the road again, what a trooper, 1.000 km run, thank you Bjørn. Would be intersting to know whats behind the cooling issue with opening the door.Maybe it's a technical reason we didn't thing about. Hello VW do you hav an answer ?
Good bit of investigation on the battery cooling when the door is open... you might have thought VW testing would have picked that up? Should be a quick fix though 😊
@@tthygesen02 Just keep the car locked and see till when you have to charge, have some run around the parking lot and invest some money in the gas station/charging station shop. Keeps them happy too :D
Hi, I watch all your videos and i am quite amazed how well are you doing all that. I want to buy an EV, but i don't want to hurry or buy something that is not what I expected. So I want your opinion to help me to decide. The cars are : Tesla model Y LR awd, Hyundai Ioniq 5 awd, Volvo EX30 twin motor, Toyota bz4x awd, Skoda Enyaq 80x awd or KIA EV6 or EV9. I drive mainly 90% in town, the 10% are open roads. Range and reliabilty are very important, At the whatever you say i will go for it. Thanks in advance!!
Björn, as always an excellent video and a great result from the ID.7. For the ID.7 owners in Germany, could you give the approximate sweet spot? Is it possibly so high that driving on the German Autobahn at higher speeds would be an advantage? Thanks!
Would like to know that as well... Remember some testing a few years ago with Tesla model 3, to investigate the optimum driving speed on autobahn and also when to aim for charging and for how long... Example drive between 5-60% SoC. Would probably make sense to charge the ID7 to more than the Tesla, because of a more flat charging curve...
Matrix lights are great , but on highways it is not working that well tbh. On every other kind of road it seems to do its job perfect. I also think most people turn off their lights and expect the oncoming car to turn off their lights way to early.
Hei Bjørn! Har du planer om ha en mer detaljert test av Xpeng G6? Virker ut som den får strålende tilbakemelding på på forbruk å støy, alltid noe +/- men slik er det med alt. Men annser deg som en av de mest neutrale på youtube. Takk på forhånd
Great review as always Björn. Wow they finally made a really good car for family with range. Will you do Tesla Model 3 LR Highland summer tests as well?
The interruption of battery cooling might be because the interior HVAC comes on when you get in the car. Would make sense if it was using the heat pump for interior heating since that involves some valve switching and usually means the compressor operation must be interrupted. Something similar happens when Tesla switches from battery heating to cooling.
I'm in the same situation, got myself a model 3 in 2019 that's going to be replaced soon. I'm thinking about the id7 Tourer as well. You got the id7 already? If so, are you happy about it?
@@pieterhaeck8888 Not yet, our model 3 is still in good shape and "unfortunately" there is no objective reason to replace it. Also, id7 especially tourer is quite expensive and there is almost no used car yet. So I guess I will wait for year or two for better price
For monitoring car and battery parameters I still find carscanner clearer instead of ABRP. I would like to see for example the voltage of the cells and the voltage difference between them.
I think also, thats the best ID low consumption, good charging speed and many space. But now we need this a that concept a little bit smaller and 20% cheaper for a real volkswagen.
Question is how god is materials and bearings they use in Engines and gears. A lot of manufacturers are having problem with ball bearings and water seal after 100000km. Quality problems are big in all manufacturers but smaller in teslas
During first charging stop did you leave the car, or you stayed inside and the car was on? If it was on, especially with climate control on, this could be the reason. Should do a clean test to leave the car and close it for the whole charging period. When you unlock the car and get inside, maybe it goes in some kind of "ready to go" mode and prepares to start the climate control to be readily available, or, some kind of "comfort" mode, so it is not too loud inside when the car is occupied. As a result, the battery gets hotter and charging speed drops. Should check the manual, it could be an expected behavior that is there for some reason.
@@bjornnyland Yeah, it could be off on interior side, but compressor could be on, in some kind of hot-standby mode. Would be interesting to ask VW engineers what is the deal with that.
It seems a very good car overall. I have a big doubt on the appeal that this car could have on the market. In general, the "large sedan" segment sales (Tesla model s, bmw i5...) are pretty low currently. At least, ID7 shows that Volkswagen is improving its technology on evs.
Looking for your Future car Test with cars faster than 09:00 h. This will be the gamechanger 😁👍🏻. Model 3 LR with 90 kwh net capacity and 800 Volt 🤩. Possible with catl quilin battery
New Smart #5 based on MMA platform charges from 10-80% in 15 minutes. So We know what to expect from the Mercedes CLA EV. >750 km WLTP range and 15 minute charge. That car will be a winner.
Smart #5 is not based on MMA platform but on the PMA2+ platform (SEA3) from Zeekr/Geely. It's also an 800V architecture platform just like the MMA platform of the upcoming electric Mercedes CLA. The max range for the #5 should be around 570km WLTP with the bigger 101kWh NMC battery and with AWD. The smaller battery, we don't know the size yet, is a LFP battery and can be ordered without the AWD. The Mercedes CLA will charge from 10-80% in 20min, the 90kWh NMC battery gives you 750km WLTP range. The smaller entry level battery option will be LFP and provide probably around 600km WLTP range. Both EVs will be very good in their class. Mercedes focuses more on efficiency tho.
@@deFruitberg Sure, Audi A6 is awesome, too. Right now it would be the best premium upper-sized sedan, that's for sure. Probably all German premium EVs will be great from now on. But my answer was specifically about the Smart #5 and Mercedes CLA, because the original post claimed that they both use the same platform which they don't.
Can it be, that better rout planner shows not charging port power, but the power going in to the battery? and other ~10kW is for battery conditioning and cabin cooling / heating?
I don't know if deducting time for slow pokes is fair because driving slower means better efficiency which means less charging time. So it's a double deduction
As far as i remeber my 24 m3 Performance is heating up the battery too 63 ° after just 8 minutes of charging? Wonder how this vw keep the temps so low during charging? Probably because slow charging?
12:43 Rapidgate at 14 degrees at night!!! What happens if you drive at daytime with charging in the sun at 35 degrees? Please check the “rapidgate” of this battery pack. Thank you for your effort.
The fact it uses the AC to cool the battery means the outside temperature doesn't matter as much, as it can cool down the air itself. That resistance increases by amperage squared also means the effect it has on actual power delivered won't be that large in reality, as even a small decrease in charging speed means a large decrease in amount of cooling needed.
Nice car overall but that butt - no way! Looks like a Seat Toledo late 80ies with that fat light bar - dreadful design language. And plz bring the sunroof back.
1000km in hybrid is common nowadays. Even the cheap Geely/Proton X90 could get 1000km as tested by the African guys. Its 2000+km from BYD hybrid thats hard to beat.
3 year old model 3 LR WITH all wheel drive still way more efficient, 3 year old model s palladium with way more power , also with 4 wheel drive, same efficiency. Let that sink in. Id7 is not a game changer, it's better, yes, but that's about it. Still way too expensive for a passat. Don't understand why you hype up this 60 to 70k EUR car, it's not beating any other car by any means
If you get the bigger battery, ID.7 will be even faster at the 1000 km challenge. It has a lot more space than Model 3 and even Model S, while being a lot cheaper than Model S, so it is the better car for families, especially as Tourer.
@@M-hq9xz family car for 70k with the bigger battery? Loool, right. Model Y sr charges to 70 percent in 15 min and costs 39k eur fully loaded, WAY better for families
@@christophw.717 show me where you can buy a new model y lr for 39k€. or even just the entry-level model. in germany today: Model Y LR: 48990€ ; ID.7 50425€ Both have a 77kwh Battery. Don't lie!
Yeah, VW is late to the game, but it’s there now and it’s a really great car. No more need to buy a Tesla. Btw. M3 is one class below and test was in better weather. MS has a much bigger battery. The tested car has also sports tires, batterylife tested these and they consume ~10% more. I would say ID.7 is a really good car overall. If 6 or 5 seconds acceleration time are to slow for you, go with Tesla, they can also make pooping sounds 😅
Top ten in 1000km challenge : - 5x Tesla - 3x battery swap technology - 0x 800V architecture Deal with it. 👍 Others are EQS, i4 and ID7 in 11th place. Sedans for the win ! 💪
Nah sorry, the Mercedes CLA, which will be revealed 1st quarter next year, will easily climb to the top of the list with 750km WLTP, 90kWh battery pack, 800V and 10-80% in 20min. The facilifted Ioniq 6 will get a bigger 84kWh battery and of course still has 800V and will be revealed around the same time. Ioniq 6 with bigger battery might come in third. The second place should be reserved for the Audi A6 due to its massive range and quick charging speed, very similar to the Mercedes CLA, but it is slightly less efficient. The facelifted Taycan could also have a chance to score within the top 5. Big batteries allow for huge driving range and 800V allows for very fast charging of these big batteries. In just 2-3 years from now the only time difference for this 1000km challenge will be the how fast you can charge within 2 charging stops from 5-65% or even lower. The run is somewhat speed limited and as long as you have enough range and charging speed the it won't matter. Due to the big range of modern sedans more than 2 stops will never be necessary and due to the fast charging speeds charging only to 40% or something to squeeze out the max charging rate but in turn taking an extra charging stop is not worth it anymore. There are batteries out there which can charge in 15min from 10-80% already. Smart #5 willl be the first EV on western markets with this charging speed. Its a bulky SUV tho but just because of this charging power and somewhat decent range due to big batteries it could easily finish within the top 10. That is the power of 800V.
Get an EV with decent size battery and efficiency and you won't worry about range eiher. Audi A6 has up to 750km and is a premium mid-size sedan. The electric Mercedes CLA will have up to 750km and is a lower end mid-size sedan/sedan coupe, both are available in early 2025. The electric Mercedes C-Class sedan should have around 825-830km WLTP, some sources even claim 850km WLTP. It should be available in 2026. With this kind of range the C-Class can easily drive 550km at 130km/h, even if you leave some SoC safety buffer in the battery. That's close to 4,5 hours of high speed (in all countries around the world, except Germany) highway driving. Why didn't I list the EQS or the Lucid Air which already achieve similar values? And here comes the good part: The CLA and C-Class are rather attainable in comparison to the luxury class vehicles you would need to buy before in order to get this amount of range in an EV.
@@Aztasu First of, operating WLTP numbers is the most insane method for determining a range, I would say even an offensive one towards logically-thinking people. The real range will be 50-200km less depending on whether you are brave enough to switch on AC, temperature, headwind, etc. Second, south of Netherlands (Germany, France, Italy) one having a good powerful care would drive around 130-140 km/h depending on speed limit and knowledge of cameras. And we know that adding another 10km/h above 130km/h will drain an EV's battery exponentially. Third, availability of gas stations to the same south of Netherlands is waaaaaaaay better than changing stations (if we are not talking about highways only). And lastly, living and driving in Germany I cannot keep from laughing when I observe EVs trying to keep up in the left lane at speeds above 150km/h. They move to the most right lane and keep driving behind tracks as soon as they have observed a battery level was dropping down in front of their eyes. Though to be fare I have driven at 230km/h behind a Tesla once, but this guy gave up after 4 min because I believe he got the battery drained to the dangerous 10% from the so beloved by all EV owners 80% ;)
For me this is very slow charging. My Ioniq 5 has 800 Volts and this seems to be only 400 Volts? Why would I buy a car with slow charging in 2024? And this is called "Pro"?
It may be charging slower, but it charges more km pr minut than your car, that's what counts, the charging time is not all, if you have poor efficiency it doesn't matter, because then it uses all the energy too fast, so the most important thing is how fast it can charge km on the battery, that's what counts🙂
And later there will be a model with a bigger battery, and then it will charge faster for longer and have even more range per charge, so that var will be even better/faster 🙂
@@cro-guy yes, but with that fast charging it has, means it's less efficient and that means you have to do more stops, so for me, I'd rather have the id7, because it will be more relaxing, and in my opinion, the id7 is also nicer to look at 🙂
ID7 looks interesting, VW is gaining experience in the EV game
Really looking forward to you testing the ID.7 Pro S. Faster charging, ~10% more capacity. Should be some 10 minutes faster at least.
When I remember the worst charging speed of my ID3 1st Edition VW learned a lot in the last 4 years. A really good car and it’s so boring to read some comments with always the same message that Tesla can do it better blablabla…. people should recognize that the EV World can in the meantime offer other cars than Teslas which are competitive and will bring more people to EV mobility.
Most are invested in Tesla,so they are in panicmode!Stagnating or lower Sales this year and 45% less Profits for Tesla!
I never really got into Teslas. But i started with small battery VW eUp! Now i have the newer Skoda Citigo-e with larger battery and Peugeot E2008. Previously the problem have been that there haven't been basic cars that you use as daily driver, None of the Teslas are basic cars and because of that, they are expensive.
I don't need in car big screens or hundreds of kilowatts power or even huge ranges... I need it to go from A to B easily and smoothly. ANd three times per year, hit the road, and Peugeot manages to do that just fine.
I live in Northern finland and i do not agree that the car has specially short range in winter, and yes it is short, but still 140-150km in -33C weather what we have every winter for weeks. So in the winter, i need to charge it every other day, but i want to heat it, so i use charging so that the car is warm when i leave and range is at the maximum.
@@SergeyPRKL I fully agree with you. In my opinion the BEV way has to be directed to smaller batteries and high efficiency. For daily use ranges of approx 250-300 km WLTP are far enough for most users which have a yearly range of approx 5-10.000 km
@@SergeyPRKLAnd Peugeot has a nice lion as a bage,who doesnt Like that?Looks realy cool!The Lion stays on two legs the other he want to Attack!Realy great!From Tesla you only get a strange T,very dissapointing!
@@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl The Lion is cool, I agree. The Tesla "T" is not strange though, it is the shape of an electric motor component.
as a company, we are switchting away from Teslas to VWs (mainly ID7s) due to various reasons:
-our employees are way more happy with them due to all the features, space, increased comfort etc
-the difference in efficiency in real world use (especially in winter) is actually smaller than expected
-we (hopefully) get less discussions with the leasing company about production defects the leasing company tries to blame us for when returning the car.
-last but not least, they are way cheaper to lease. not because VWs are incredibly cheap, just because Teslas are ridiculously expensive. so much for the price difference from a company perspective (that's different of course if you buy that car as a private person)
i am not dogmatic about different EV brands and VWs are by no means perfect, but that switch was rather easy.... the overall package is just good. not the best in any way, but no real weaknesses either. they just work great in daily use with not too many problems and acceptable TCO.
your employees seems to like the absolut worst software on the market, but at least apple carplay and android auto are there to save them from the complete disaster, that VW is giving them away so cheap is also only possible because they wouldn't get them on the streets otherwise
I'll bet this story is not true. "features" in a VW, yeah, right. The only 2 years of warranty maybe? Fake as hell
@@Elektroauto1984the id 7 has a significant better software than id 3/4. At least one feature got copied by Tesla recently
@@Elektroauto1984and whats so bad about the ID.7 SW? Lets not talk about previous models SW with underpowered HW running it.
@@Jooga31 its still underpowered und complete stone age old to have those 173 menu and under menu plus the. Even the navi map isnt smooth at all. Its like the new taycan… whatever even porsche is thinking to deliever this kind of infotainment to the costumer in 2024
Great test, Bjørn! I own an ID7 and will keep the car for as long as possible. Have done 14000 km now.
I did a round trip from Lillestrøm to Karlskoga a few weeks ago, which is about 560 km. Didn’t go slow at all; set the cc at 130 in the 110 and 120 zones. Roughly 20+ over everywhere. Charged for 15 mins in Karlstad while eating a burger, that was it. The average consumption was 19,4 if I remember correctly. Arrived home with plenty of juice in the battery. All in all, it is like you say: very efficient car, lot of equipment for the money. And now you will get even more bang for the buck with the new gtx.
I have a Cupra Born and I am sure that my next car will be an EV and 90% still of VW Group. But I would be happy if they do a ”super” Born , like Hyundai Ioniq 5 N or Volvo Ex30 Twin Motor Performance, or Smart Brabus. Ciao
I really love our ID.7, it was shifted from a Passat GTE. We usually drive around 400km through Denmark and it does it perfectly.
A great supplement to our ID.3 which works as a daily commuter car.
Especially when both cars are charged by solar power from the roof.
Thank you for a great review.
This is really a very decent car with plenty of room. VW came a long way here, but they are fixing all tje things: Software, charging, power...Packaging and comfort have always been good.
With the new bigger battery this one is an awesome car for a fair price - given the value und made in Europe under fair circumstances. I just don't like the looks so much and will go for the A6 instead
Best EV❤ID7
On paper. Like "clean diesel" ... VW cars are like Russian army. Paper tigers ...
@@orbetobeDid you see the Video? Obviously not!
I like to watch the Tesla vs VW battle in the comments. 😅 The worst enemies. 😎
Thank you for the test I asume with the 86kw battery it will beat the model 3 as it will charge 200kw at peak and the bigger battery will give it probably 50km more range.😊
No it will not
@@christophw.717why do you reason that? Did you test it already? Or do you see something in the data that would prohibit the Pro S to achieve it.
@@CarViewer 10kw more will give you 40km more in the beginning, which saves around 3 to 4 min of charging. After that you never charge to 100 percent, so it will not save you any time. People always think larger battery means more range. True only in the beginning. On this test it will barely save 5 minutes overall, and the car will be much more expensive. For pretty much nothing. If you wanna charge fast, get a model y sr. Charges to 70 percent in 15 min, it will always be faster than a Id7, and consumes way less. 39k fully loaded
@@christophw.717a bigger battery charges more energy in the same time. So it has roughly 10% more capacity than the 77 kWh version. It will charge 10% more energy in the same time… Björn did mostly 15 minute charges and received ~40 kWh. In that time the bigger one would probably have charged ~44 kWh.
Not a big difference. But still a difference.
@@ChouduSieben The car is heavier, uses more energy, it will safe MAYBE 5-10 minutes for the whole 1000 km. It will not beat the model 3 LR. The all wheel drive version of the passat ID7 will be much more energy hungry and will take more time for the 1000 km challenge.
Nice test! Would love to see the pro s tourer. Would also really love to see the Xpeng G9 LR in summer conditions
Thanks for another great video. Maybe in the future you should be called VW Bjørn😉😉
Mindblowing and gamechanging!Volkswagen is pure Love!
Good efficiency
Bjorn so awesome that you did these 1000km challenges, thank you so much! I'm looking into buying an EV and this information is so extremely helpful! I recently did a 3000km trip with fossil car (max 900km/day, so on the way there and on the way home we had some stop somewhere) EVs are perfect for doing this, since every 200kms we already stopped with our petrol dino burner! I think for me it will be either ID.3 or Model 3, I like that the ID.3 is much more spacious (for passengers) and is a hatchback, I could transport more in the back!
Impressive results.
my feeling is, German car industry is on their way back to the top. Next generation of BMW and Merc will blow your mind - ID7 is just a first glance.
😂😂😂
True. Don't forget the Audi with the A6. Right now it is probably the best upper mid-size sedan in Western countries. Mercedes CLA will be the best EV of its class. BMW iX3 will be awesome, too, but I am especially looking forward for the i3 seda. Volkswagen will launch nice sub-compact cars with the ID.2/Skoda Epiq.
Cannot wait for id7 wagon test :)
I got an identical ID7 the very same day as you. Supposedly the first in Norway. I didn’t make it the 12 km ride home before the screens went totally black. It came back on, but went black again! After driving an identical loaner for 3 weeks, the VW dealership told me they had fixed it, after getting special assistance from the factory. After one day, the screens went black again, and I told the dealer I didn’t want to be a ginnipig anymore, so they took the car back without any discussion. Great service, and the car was very comfortable. But VW’s software is way behind some of the competition, and I won’t touch a VW for the next few years.
Loving increased use of ABRP, I find it personally So useful and I will eventually go Pro due to your videos ☺️
Hey Bjorn, really like the data overlay on screen. Looks like a good car
best ID, best deal for an ID - with no major weaknesses, but also no outstanding strengths - typical Volkswagen.
But the intended use also has to be right and it's still too expensive for a family car, but maybe VW has very cheap leasing offers here to boost poor sales, there are at least many immediately available vehicles in stock?!
As much as I heard and read the leasing offers seems to be pretty good for that kind of a car.
Thanks Bjorn for this 1000 kms challenge.
I'm really curious about the 86kwh with the 19' wheels and no left lane huggers, might make top 3.
We already corrected for Norwegian Left Lane Hugges Club.
@@bjornnyland of course but it's hard to get real figures with too many variables. Slower drive means colder battery, less consumption, more time, who knows what all that would do to the charging curve. Also the 86kwh is rated more efficient than the 77kwh in official figures: 14kwh/100km vs 13.6, that is 3% more efficient. IDK where it comes from, maybe battery shape on the underside
Another great test.
Curious to see you test the new ID3 GTX Performance. Cheers
Thank you for the test!!
In the old MEB (Enyaq ...3.0) you could setup climate to start with unlock or with "ignition on". Maybe bug during charging could be avoided with the "ignition on" setting.
HVAC was already off during the charging sessions.
@@bjornnylandbut it starts anyway because of the setting?
With 19" wheels your consumption would be in the 17x-18x wh/km range and you could do even better!
This is what most of the people don't get. The wheels, they have very significant portion of the consumption. I have an i4 with 17 inch aero wheels without M pack which has 5% bigger drag coefficient. At 130 km/h the consumption is around 17-18 kWh/100 km. The 17 inch wheels width is 225 comparing the 18 which front 245 and rear 255. I can make 450 kilometers on highway at summer without any problem.
Thanks for these useful numbers. I'm looking at getting an i4 next year or waiting for the Neue Klasse, not sure yet.
@@edwins. Look for it in the google: "future bmw model information" The bimmerpost has a page where you can see when they expect the NA1 i3 or the upgrade of the i4 which is expected in 2025.
Would be interesting with a 1000 km challange where the outside temperature is above 20 C all the time to see if the cooling could handle it. Would be a more realistic summer test for it. :)
Listening to your voice speaking in the car I get the impression the acoustics are more natural than in the Tesla Y. I considered the glass roof to be the large issue, but since this car also has one…well something else is in play. Maybe cabin height?
Glass roof in Model 3 and Y reflects lots of higher frequencies. I have noticed this long time ago.
Is the surface of the material in the top surrounding the glass roof in the VW softer than in the Y? Maybe it is that factor then.
I chose Model 3 LR instead of ID.7 and it was a mistake. So far (after 8000km over EU) I have a list of things M3 has worse than my old Skoda Superb. VW would suit me better 😢
Then sell it? Tesla has good resell value compared to other brands like VW / Porsche? :D
@@kenion2166 I already promised my daughter I will give it to her. It’s a nice car for beginners like her (once I retrofit the missing stalks). My new favorite is Audi A6 e-tron (I like its design a bit more than ID.7). Will see if I can afford it next year.
Teslas have good resalevalue?Since when?Losing 50% in the last 18 moths!
@@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl not really, in which country lmao...? I mean Porsche taycan losing 50% in 2 years. But my model3 was selling for almost no loss cause of the tax credits :D
@woodypwx i have an id.7 and have a list a thing that are worse than in my Superb...
Bjørn is on the road again, what a trooper, 1.000 km run, thank you Bjørn.
Would be intersting to know whats behind the cooling issue with opening the door.Maybe it's a technical reason we didn't thing about. Hello VW do you hav an answer ?
Good bit of investigation on the battery cooling when the door is open... you might have thought VW testing would have picked that up? Should be a quick fix though 😊
Nope. I have a 2 year old ID.4 GTX on software 3.2 - same issue....
Does it depend on the setting in the app? If climate is set active to start when unlocking the doors or not?
@@tthygesen02 Just keep the car locked and see till when you have to charge, have some run around the parking lot and invest some money in the gas station/charging station shop. Keeps them happy too :D
Hi, I watch all your videos and i am quite amazed how well are you doing all that. I want to buy an EV, but i don't want to hurry or buy something that is not what I expected. So I want your opinion to help me to decide. The cars are :
Tesla model Y LR awd,
Hyundai Ioniq 5 awd,
Volvo EX30 twin motor,
Toyota bz4x awd,
Skoda Enyaq 80x awd or
KIA EV6 or EV9.
I drive mainly 90% in town, the 10% are open roads. Range and reliabilty are very important, At the whatever you say i will go for it.
Thanks in advance!!
Björn, as always an excellent video and a great result from the ID.7.
For the ID.7 owners in Germany, could you give the approximate sweet spot? Is it possibly so high that driving on the German Autobahn at higher speeds would be an advantage?
Thanks!
You will get 300 km range at 140 km/h
Would like to know that as well... Remember some testing a few years ago with Tesla model 3, to investigate the optimum driving speed on autobahn and also when to aim for charging and for how long... Example drive between 5-60% SoC. Would probably make sense to charge the ID7 to more than the Tesla, because of a more flat charging curve...
Good result! Would be nice to see a comparison against model y RWD long range.
Matrix lights are great , but on highways it is not working that well tbh. On every other kind of road it seems to do its job perfect. I also think most people turn off their lights and expect the oncoming car to turn off their lights way to early.
Hei Bjørn! Har du planer om ha en mer detaljert test av Xpeng G6? Virker ut som den får strålende tilbakemelding på på forbruk å støy, alltid noe +/- men slik er det med alt. Men annser deg som en av de mest neutrale på youtube.
Takk på forhånd
You don't have to use bluetooth dongle to pair car with ABRP. Just use Enode and it will get the data from there(cloud).
I don't have app access. And the data via the cloud is limited.
O yes, E6 passing Falkenberg. In my Kia E-Soul....let us say, nobody sleep in the car during that time.
But will it get OTA updates to make it even better? Honest question!
Looking forward to the 1000km challenge with the highland in summer (Sweden route)
If this vehicle I’m the estate/wagon form had existed in 2022 I’d have seriously considered it.
I think with the newest Nios you can also leave the car before swapping, right?
Great review as always Björn. Wow they finally made a really good car for family with range. Will you do Tesla Model 3 LR Highland summer tests as well?
The interruption of battery cooling might be because the interior HVAC comes on when you get in the car. Would make sense if it was using the heat pump for interior heating since that involves some valve switching and usually means the compressor operation must be interrupted. Something similar happens when Tesla switches from battery heating to cooling.
HVAC was off.
As current owner of Tesla Model 3, this is most probably going to be my next car (in “variant” version)?
I'm in the same situation, got myself a model 3 in 2019 that's going to be replaced soon. I'm thinking about the id7 Tourer as well. You got the id7 already? If so, are you happy about it?
@@pieterhaeck8888 Not yet, our model 3 is still in good shape and "unfortunately" there is no objective reason to replace it.
Also, id7 especially tourer is quite expensive and there is almost no used car yet. So I guess I will wait for year or two for better price
Nice, good car ! This will get boomers into a EV.
For monitoring car and battery parameters I still find carscanner clearer instead of ABRP. I would like to see for example the voltage of the cells and the voltage difference between them.
I think also, thats the best ID low consumption, good charging speed and many space. But now we need this a that concept a little bit smaller and 20% cheaper for a real volkswagen.
Id7 pro, the new passat!
But actually, with same sales number.
If people can go away from SUV.
ID.7 Pro S (GTX) Tourer please!
ACAB - All Cars Are Buggy
Very good car!
Question is how god is materials and bearings they use in Engines and gears. A lot of manufacturers are having problem with ball bearings and water seal after 100000km. Quality problems are big in all manufacturers but smaller in teslas
great video! I probably missed the info, are they 19 inch or 20 inch tires?
20"
Please test ID Buzz LWB 7-seater. Very relevant car.
Super! Really helping us making a decision about a new electric soon. Thanks man! Any chance you try a BMW i5 eDrive40 anytime soon?
It's no game changer as long as it's so expensive.
During first charging stop did you leave the car, or you stayed inside and the car was on? If it was on, especially with climate control on, this could be the reason. Should do a clean test to leave the car and close it for the whole charging period. When you unlock the car and get inside, maybe it goes in some kind of "ready to go" mode and prepares to start the climate control to be readily available, or, some kind of "comfort" mode, so it is not too loud inside when the car is occupied. As a result, the battery gets hotter and charging speed drops. Should check the manual, it could be an expected behavior that is there for some reason.
I left the car but HVAC was off.
@@bjornnyland Yeah, it could be off on interior side, but compressor could be on, in some kind of hot-standby mode. Would be interesting to ask VW engineers what is the deal with that.
Great video as always, love ut! Never ever change the backgriund music to something else than 1990s porn videos
It seems a very good car overall. I have a big doubt on the appeal that this car could have on the market. In general, the "large sedan" segment sales (Tesla model s, bmw i5...) are pretty low currently. At least, ID7 shows that Volkswagen is improving its technology on evs.
If you where to buy a ID7 Bjørn, would you get the sedan or station wagon, considering your wants and needs?
Looking for your Future car Test with cars faster than 09:00 h. This will be the gamechanger 😁👍🏻.
Model 3 LR with 90 kwh net capacity and 800 Volt 🤩. Possible with catl quilin battery
That's kinda what the upcoming Mercedes CLA will offer.
"caught in Stau" 😀
New Smart #5 based on MMA platform charges from 10-80% in 15 minutes. So We know what to expect from the Mercedes CLA EV. >750 km WLTP range and 15 minute charge. That car will be a winner.
Smart #5 is not based on MMA platform but on the PMA2+ platform (SEA3) from Zeekr/Geely. It's also an 800V architecture platform just like the MMA platform of the upcoming electric Mercedes CLA. The max range for the #5 should be around 570km WLTP with the bigger 101kWh NMC battery and with AWD. The smaller battery, we don't know the size yet, is a LFP battery and can be ordered without the AWD.
The Mercedes CLA will charge from 10-80% in 20min, the 90kWh NMC battery gives you 750km WLTP range. The smaller entry level battery option will be LFP and provide probably around 600km WLTP range.
Both EVs will be very good in their class. Mercedes focuses more on efficiency tho.
@@Aztasu The benchmark for big sedan's will be A6 Sportback, when you look at the results of the Q6 e-tron, and add Cd of .22 + lower body
Mercedes? I would not touch their EV with a 2 m pole. Rarely do their batteries make it over 100k km…
@@deFruitberg Sure, Audi A6 is awesome, too. Right now it would be the best premium upper-sized sedan, that's for sure. Probably all German premium EVs will be great from now on. But my answer was specifically about the Smart #5 and Mercedes CLA, because the original post claimed that they both use the same platform which they don't.
Can it be, that better rout planner shows not charging port power, but the power going in to the battery? and other ~10kW is for battery conditioning and cabin cooling / heating?
No. That number is sometimes bugged as shown in other 1000 km challenges.
Is it better than kia ev 6 ?
another bug: two times we see the car screen while driving it states "charging" in the bottom right corner.
Didn't see that myself, but in my old Golf it always said "charging" anytime I was regenerating, so that might be it here 🤷
Did it really need so many stops? I know you wanna ride the high speed wave but in real world use people would make the smallest number of charges
For that you can watch Sunday driving. The ID7 did 640km.
So you could do just one charging and finish the 1000km challenge.
He wants to test it for the Germans, here 130 is not high speed. 🤣
For the best 1000 km time, yes. I could have reduced to 2-3 stops but then the time would be 10-15 minutes slower.
Charging rate is much faster up to ca 50% and drops off the higher you go
@@bjornnylandif it is 10-15 min slower, why then the best time...? 🤷
Is there some matrix LED settings for ongoing traffic distance or something?
I was wondering. What is the reference time in a petrol car?
@20:52 I would show as to how long it would take to complete with and without food breaks though I doubt it would generate a lot of views.
VW was so concerned that the ID.7 will not sell at all. So, seeing all those good reviews that might not be true.
I would really like one of these if it came in Skoda or Audi styling... just not a fan of the VW look.
I don't know if deducting time for slow pokes is fair because driving slower means better efficiency which means less charging time. So it's a double deduction
This car charges so fast that the difference is almost irrelevant. We might be talking about only 30 seconds.
@@bjornnyland fair
Thank you for beeing driving all night 😘❤
Me like video 😊
but not the music 😬
Everyone complains about the noise-level, but they never measure the dB-level.
I do
I would buy the ID7 without a second thought if it could just pull my caravan :(
Pelvis rotation 😂
"inappropriate in a Volkswagen" 😂
Please make such a ride with the Kia EV9 🙏🏻
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As far as i remeber my 24 m3 Performance is heating up the battery too 63 ° after just 8 minutes of charging? Wonder how this vw keep the temps so low during charging? Probably because slow charging?
Higher temperature limits before it starts throttling and much higher charging speeds on a battery with relatively high resistance.
12:43 Rapidgate at 14 degrees at night!!! What happens if you drive at daytime with charging in the sun at 35 degrees?
Please check the “rapidgate” of this battery pack.
Thank you for your effort.
The fact it uses the AC to cool the battery means the outside temperature doesn't matter as much, as it can cool down the air itself.
That resistance increases by amperage squared also means the effect it has on actual power delivered won't be that large in reality, as even a small decrease in charging speed means a large decrease in amount of cooling needed.
Nice car overall but that butt - no way! Looks like a Seat Toledo late 80ies with that fat light bar - dreadful design language. And plz bring the sunroof back.
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How many tons of co2 does it come with at delivery? 🤔
1000km in hybrid is common nowadays. Even the cheap Geely/Proton X90 could get 1000km as tested by the African guys. Its 2000+km from BYD hybrid thats hard to beat.
Hi Bjorn please compare cost and gross margin. It matters because VAG is in jeopardy and we don't want a fisker. Thanks
you are getting "Lichthupe" on highway. turn off this stupid auto high beams
$92,000 Aussie dollars sorry nope
My very first, fist comment!
3 year old model 3 LR WITH all wheel drive still way more efficient, 3 year old model s palladium with way more power , also with 4 wheel drive, same efficiency. Let that sink in. Id7 is not a game changer, it's better, yes, but that's about it. Still way too expensive for a passat. Don't understand why you hype up this 60 to 70k EUR car, it's not beating any other car by any means
If you get the bigger battery, ID.7 will be even faster at the 1000 km challenge. It has a lot more space than Model 3 and even Model S, while being a lot cheaper than Model S, so it is the better car for families, especially as Tourer.
@@M-hq9xz family car for 70k with the bigger battery? Loool, right. Model Y sr charges to 70 percent in 15 min and costs 39k eur fully loaded, WAY better for families
@@M-hq9xzits not bigger than model s though, not even close
@@christophw.717 show me where you can buy a new model y lr for 39k€. or even just the entry-level model.
in germany today: Model Y LR: 48990€ ; ID.7 50425€ Both have a 77kwh Battery. Don't lie!
Yeah, VW is late to the game,
but it’s there now and it’s a really great car. No more need to buy a Tesla. Btw. M3 is one class below and test was in better weather. MS has a much bigger battery. The tested car has also sports tires, batterylife tested these and they consume ~10% more.
I would say ID.7 is a really good car overall. If 6 or 5 seconds acceleration time are to slow for you, go with Tesla, they can also make pooping sounds 😅
For fastest charging you have to start charging under 15% SOC. This is MEB platform, bro.
Dude, watch my videos before commenting. I kept arriving with less than 10 % every time except for the last stop.
Top ten in 1000km challenge :
- 5x Tesla
- 3x battery swap technology
- 0x 800V architecture
Deal with it. 👍
Others are EQS, i4 and ID7 in 11th place. Sedans for the win ! 💪
Nah sorry, the Mercedes CLA, which will be revealed 1st quarter next year, will easily climb to the top of the list with 750km WLTP, 90kWh battery pack, 800V and 10-80% in 20min. The facilifted Ioniq 6 will get a bigger 84kWh battery and of course still has 800V and will be revealed around the same time. Ioniq 6 with bigger battery might come in third. The second place should be reserved for the Audi A6 due to its massive range and quick charging speed, very similar to the Mercedes CLA, but it is slightly less efficient. The facelifted Taycan could also have a chance to score within the top 5. Big batteries allow for huge driving range and 800V allows for very fast charging of these big batteries.
In just 2-3 years from now the only time difference for this 1000km challenge will be the how fast you can charge within 2 charging stops from 5-65% or even lower. The run is somewhat speed limited and as long as you have enough range and charging speed the it won't matter. Due to the big range of modern sedans more than 2 stops will never be necessary and due to the fast charging speeds charging only to 40% or something to squeeze out the max charging rate but in turn taking an extra charging stop is not worth it anymore. There are batteries out there which can charge in 15min from 10-80% already. Smart #5 willl be the first EV on western markets with this charging speed. Its a bulky SUV tho but just because of this charging power and somewhat decent range due to big batteries it could easily finish within the top 10. That is the power of 800V.
Get a normal (ICE) car and stop worrying about range and charging. Also will cost less. It is that simple 😂
Get an EV with decent size battery and efficiency and you won't worry about range eiher. Audi A6 has up to 750km and is a premium mid-size sedan. The electric Mercedes CLA will have up to 750km and is a lower end mid-size sedan/sedan coupe, both are available in early 2025. The electric Mercedes C-Class sedan should have around 825-830km WLTP, some sources even claim 850km WLTP. It should be available in 2026. With this kind of range the C-Class can easily drive 550km at 130km/h, even if you leave some SoC safety buffer in the battery. That's close to 4,5 hours of high speed (in all countries around the world, except Germany) highway driving. Why didn't I list the EQS or the Lucid Air which already achieve similar values? And here comes the good part: The CLA and C-Class are rather attainable in comparison to the luxury class vehicles you would need to buy before in order to get this amount of range in an EV.
@@Aztasu First of, operating WLTP numbers is the most insane method for determining a range, I would say even an offensive one towards logically-thinking people. The real range will be 50-200km less depending on whether you are brave enough to switch on AC, temperature, headwind, etc. Second, south of Netherlands (Germany, France, Italy) one having a good powerful care would drive around 130-140 km/h depending on speed limit and knowledge of cameras. And we know that adding another 10km/h above 130km/h will drain an EV's battery exponentially. Third, availability of gas stations to the same south of Netherlands is waaaaaaaay better than changing stations (if we are not talking about highways only). And lastly, living and driving in Germany I cannot keep from laughing when I observe EVs trying to keep up in the left lane at speeds above 150km/h. They move to the most right lane and keep driving behind tracks as soon as they have observed a battery level was dropping down in front of their eyes.
Though to be fare I have driven at 230km/h behind a Tesla once, but this guy gave up after 4 min because I believe he got the battery drained to the dangerous 10% from the so beloved by all EV owners 80% ;)
We some people feel the need to come to a video like this to make such comments?
Now ICE cars have the advantage but when Samsungs 500wh/kg blade batteries hit the market in a big scale 2027ish it will be a game changer.
And how does an ICE car help eliminate fossil fuel usage?
For me this is very slow charging. My Ioniq 5 has 800 Volts and this seems to be only 400 Volts? Why would I buy a car with slow charging in 2024?
And this is called "Pro"?
It may be charging slower, but it charges more km pr minut than your car, that's what counts, the charging time is not all, if you have poor efficiency it doesn't matter, because then it uses all the energy too fast, so the most important thing is how fast it can charge km on the battery, that's what counts🙂
And later there will be a model with a bigger battery, and then it will charge faster for longer and have even more range per charge, so that var will be even better/faster 🙂
Ioniq 5 did 1000 km in 10 hours. ID7 was 35 minutes faster. The 800 V hype is real.
@@bjornnyland true, but the IONIQ 6 (a more direct comparison to this one) did it 5mins slower, with a smaller battery and ~7c colder weather 😄
@@cro-guy yes, but with that fast charging it has, means it's less efficient and that means you have to do more stops, so for me, I'd rather have the id7, because it will be more relaxing, and in my opinion, the id7 is also nicer to look at 🙂
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