Asus Zephyrus M16 Review - Best Gaming Laptop of 2023? It's Not All Perfect
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 พ.ค. 2024
- Let's take a deep dive into the 2023 Asus Zephyrus M16 gaming laptop with the Intel i9-13900H and Nvidia RTX 4090. While many aspects look similar to last year's, Asus made some major improvements this time around! We'll compare to last year's model as well as others like the Zephyrus G15 and ROG Flow X16.
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Link to buy the 2023 M16: bit.ly/M164090BestBuy
From Asus: bit.ly/M16-Asus-Store
Undervolt your CPU: github.com/JamesCJ60/Universa...
Alternative to Armoury Crate: github.com/JamesCJ60/Armoury-...
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
02:57 Design
07:40 Display
10:28 Display Issues
13:35 Ports
14:18 External Output Issues
17:24 Speakers
18:01 Internals
19:41 Software - Armoury Crate New Features
26:13 CPU Performance
27:16 Creator Benchmarks
28:30 Performance on Battery - It's Awesome
30:33 Performance on USB-C PD
30:56 Battery Life
31:32 Fan Noise
35:25 Thermals
36:03 GPU Performance
37:21 Gaming Benchmarks
41:25 Final Thoughts - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
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You are so incredibly thorough, i watched this even with no intention of buying this laptop. Excellent review!
I really appreciate that!
@@JoshCravesTechi agree. Lots of info, straight to the point
Ik alot of people have already pointed this out but seriously you saved me alot of questions man, appreciated this thorough review since youtube nowadays really lacks these kinds of videos.
Thanks for mentioning about the issue with connecting to the external monitor, now I know how to get better fps. Thank you so much :)
You're so dope. I truly appreciated this video. I may not be buying a laptop anytime soon but I actually sat here the 45 min. listening to everything you had to say about this laptop. Thank you! You deserve way more subs for sure. Keep it up!
Big appluad for this very well done review on the m16. I am also torn between m16 vs flow x16. In my country, there is only one build for each model, 4070 for flow and 4080 for m16. The price difference is about 500 dollars. Not sure if this price is justified for the gpu upgrade considering supposedly louder fan noise, higher temp on the key pad, the hectic with external display, and most importantly versitily and upgradibility. But I just wish i9-hx cpu on both of them.😂 Also, will you have a review on this year's flow x16?
Awesome thorough review. Thanks I'll be getting the g14.
I plan to pick this up very soon a 2023 model ASUS - ROG Zephyrus M16 16" 240Hz Gaming Laptop QHD - Intel 13th Gen Core i9 with 16GB Memory-NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070-1TB SSD - Off Black
Hey Josh, great content as always! Looking forward to your review of the Blade 16 and hopefully a comparison with this Zephyrus M16. Which one of these 2 do you recommend based on your user experience? I'm trying to decide in between the Zephirus M16 and Blade 16 (both Mini-LED with rtx 4090 or 4080) as my daily driver for gaming, photo editing, watching movies and productivity. I intend to keep it for many years so it needs to be future proof. Thanks!
Thanks so much for watching! Don't forget to like and subscribe :) I'm curious about everyone's thoughts about this laptop and what you'd like to see next!
A couple notes:
September 12, 2023:
You should be able to work around the loud fans in turbo and quiet fans in Manual by using G-Helper. With G-Helper, you can manually tune each power profile to your liking. This should also fix the poor performing silent mode as well and maybe even spice up Performance/Balanced mode a bit. I strongly recommend this software over Armoury Crate!
Older notes:
The clip at 4:23 is the wrong foot! That's the Flow X16's foot. BUT you can see the giant foot on this thing at 18:01 throughout the Internals section of the video.
About the external outputs, I noticed Jarrod's Tech did not have the same issue with his Zephyrus M16 (4070), yet others I asked on Reddit with the 4080/4090 model did. Jarrod's M16 performed as it should with one USB-C port tied to the dGPU and the other (thunderbolt port) tied to the iGPU, and he didn't recall any issues over HDMI. However, even when it is working correctly, Advanced Optimus is still designed to be disabled and for some reason stuck on the "Optimus" setting, even when it isn't actually in Optimus. You have to confirm it by actually checking the PhysX/Surround tab in Nvidia Control Panel. So that being said, it sounds like a software bug on the 4080/4090 models that could possibly be fixed in an update.
Another note with the display, is mine did have noticeable screen whine (a high-pitched soft ringing noise) as well as most other M16 mini-LED owners that I talked to. All other mini-LED displays I've tested so far ('23 G14 and '22/'23 X16) have not produced that noise.
If you could also include Davinci Resolve benchmarks, that would be awesome. Thanks
Intel is not pushing towards peak laptop performance. AMD is both faster and more efficient. Both 7940hs and 7945hx greatly surpass their Intel counterpart and THATS FACTS
I have the G15 with the 3070 model. Everything is great with this unit but I have a few gripes. The Fingerprint reader on my unit has never functioned from day one of purchase. Even after sending it in for repair it hasn't done much. Also the two pointy things at the back of the lid that help increase the angle slowly grind away to nothing. Now my pointy things are gone and they are flush with the lid. Those need to be made of metal.
Overall good laptop. I would recommend a 200 watt usb c charging capability, Better cooling so a higher wattage gpu can be put in. Make even amd models have the larger screen and bigger rubber foot.
Nice video Josh. Love the cinematography. Do you have a film background?
Thanks Josh! Been watching your channel for a long time, LOVED the cheap laptop battle with Jarrod’s Tech. But yes a big part of my day job is video 🙂
Just found your channel. I would love to get your opinion of the Legion Slim 7i with the 3.2k display. I had to return it due to the eye strain it was causing (a panel with NO PWM). But anyway. Congrats on the channel. The amount of details is astonishing.
Your info and delivery is very good. The best reviews.
Great review mate, loving it! Keep up with great work
This should be the new standard of laptop reviews. Awesome job!
Thank you so much!!
Great video! Good quality. Did they release any software updates that fix any of the blooming issues? Or fan issues? I imagine they will eventually release an update fixing some of these things.
I was wondering same thing. It seems the major drawbacks here are all software
The performance on this thing is impressive. It is strongly position somewhere between a4070 and 4070ti desktop in gaming performance. Mad impressive at that size and power limits
The mini led backlight issue us disappointing though...
And cpu parking? Why isn't this standard for Intel machines imagine only 4 p cores automatically on battery for battery life
And the display out is related to thunderbolt it only works for display through Optimus otherwise no thunderbolt display
PLEASE, could you make a video with optimization and undervolting of this laptop using armory crate fan curves as well? That would be sooo much helpful, cheers!
Awesome video! I can see that a lot of time has gone into it. I will get my M16 4090 in a month. Would be interested in seeing a tutorial on how to set up a new laptop like that, especially manual mode in armory crate.
Thank you!! It's an amazing laptop, you'll enjoy it, just check it thoroughly for display issues! The software section of the video at 19:40 goes over my typical Intel laptop setup, and I have an optimization guide (some stuff is outdated but most of it still applies in 2023) here: th-cam.com/video/_u0o4vk08V4/w-d-xo.html
But yeah, manual mode is a lot of trial and error! I'll eventually make a in-depth tutorial on manual mode, Asus just keeps adding things every year lol.
@joshcravey9728 Hi, please, make a video tutorial on optimization for this laptop. It is my first ASUS laptop and I'm frustrated with it, would be so good to see some tutorial of how to get max from this machine, thanks!!
I wonder if the new AMD chip that was announced recently will release in this laptop. They did partner with ASUS for the Strix, but I hope they do.
Can't wait for flow x13 4070 review! I like the x16 a lot but the potential great ryzen battery life of the flow x13 is very tempting
You’re one of the best reviewers I have ever watched. Really good information. Definitely getting this now. Other reviewers don’t tell the whole story. Thank you!
Thanks for watching!
jesus man, you go all in on reviewing every little thing, absolutely loved it, subbed for more content.
Thank you!!
Great video and review! I managed to buy a 4080 version with mini LED on best buy last month. There are some things which are confusing to me that you might be able to explain:
What would the ideal settings be to game plugged in and save most battery when unplugged: armoury crate standard + nvidia automatic or armoury crate optimized + nvidia automatic? They kind of sound the same, but there's probably a difference.
Also, does you model have a bug in which whenever you launch games HDR is greyed out unless you manually switch to the discrete gpu before launching them? Auto switching seems to make some games think HDR is not supported on my screen.
Thanks!
P.S.: If you ever have the time, you could make a quick video tutorial on how to properly setup the manual mode on this laptop / asus laptops in general. For those of us who don't know a whole lot about tweaking, it's kinda scary to change the settings/fan profiles there and then we're stuck with a really loud laptop on turbo mode lol
Do you have the link with the mini LED?
What a great review. Im buying the 4080 version of this laptop tomorrow as someone who wants to game in between projects i appreciate the indepth dive into armory crate so I can configure it for battery when unplugged
Of course! Enjoy it, it’s amazing!
Waouh, amazing work!
thank you for implementing a music production benchmark. W
Planning on purchasing the M16 and tbh this was the best damn review I found on you tube. Thanks for all the hard work to make my decision easy. Cheers Mate. 🙌
Of course, enjoy the laptop!!
I was just looking for videos to watch while eating and I must say this is a top tier review video. You went through every single detail the laptop has to offer. Amazing job
Really appreciate that, thank you!
I was given the RTX4070 model, and so far it's been a great workhorse of a laptop for my multimedia work
Great thorough review!
Do the speakers sound the same as on the g15? The setup looks similar
I’d say the speakers sound nearly identical to the G15’s. Maybe a tiny bit less bass for some reason but they’re still very clear!
Unlike most of the reviews out there, you're actually reviewing laptop by each aspect. Thanks man!
@joshcravetech hi Josh, excellent review, very comprehensive, I had watched this review a few times. Have you updated and use the laptop recently? I wonder is Asus already addressed the issues with the laptop! I’m interested in getting it because I’m on the go most of the time. I want something powerful and lightweight. thanks
Great reviews, both this one and the one you did on the 2023 X16.
Any chance Asus could push an update to the dimming algorithm at some point? And what's the likelihood the Optimus weirdness will be addressed via update? I just pulled the trigger on the X16 with a 4070 and the mini LED panel, and I have no experience with Asus laptops, so I have no idea how good they are with post-release support on issues like this.
I think Optimus has more to do with Nvidia drivers so that one is very likely to function better as time passes. The dimming algorithm I am yet to see an update for on any laptop that has a mini-LED screen so that one is really hard to say. I have kept my eye out though but I feel that it may be hardware-baked. It’s not BAD but I just wanted it to be better than last year’s mini-LED. I think if this is your first mini-LED then it won’t be too noticeable unless you’re looking for it.
@@JoshCravesTech It will be my first mini LED laptop so I suspect I won't notice it at all. Thanks for replying! Just found your channel in the course of researching this purchase. You are a great resource and I hope your channel gets the ❤️ it clearly deserves!
Amazing reviews!!! This is what we need to see more
Thanks for watching!
Insanely good review! I would really love to hear your thoughts in a similar format about the new x16 2023, if you can get your hands on it.
Thank you! Yep, that review is on its way!
About the g16 having an intel processor, i think you should pick up the sku offered at bestbuy with the 13620H as matthew reported in his review that it was offering about the same battery life as last year's amd ones which ik sounds quite hard to believe but what i believe the reason is the 13620H having only 4 efficiency cores which are just enough for casual use to avoid turning on the p cores and hence offering much better overall average battery life in tasks like browsing and essay writing (if youre even gonna do that thanks to that damn chat gpt 😂). As for gaming on battery power, ryzen is gonna be superior at lower wattages hence offering better runtimes for similar performance as usually the power supplied is capped when running on battery.
Hey Josh
Hello from India!
Your review is god sent for me. I wanted to buy x16 flow 2022 for the mini led and wanted to see it before buying. I went to the asus showroom today and they did not have x16 on display but the 2023 zephyrus was on display with the mini led. To be honest, i did not like the screen at all, the colours were not good, brightness was not upto the mark, i hated the screen. I thought even their vivobook series with oled displays are better.
Came back home and started doing some research. I found out that the zephyrus has matte screen and x16 has glossy. Immediately started searching for a comparison and found your video where you mentioned the same thing.
My question- I am a student and saved very hard for this. I am not a gamer and will only use it for media consumption and note taking and dont need a mac. I just need the best windows display our there. So is the x16 flow screen comparatively way brighter and better? It wont disappoint right? Help me out brother..also i am getting the 3060 x16 from 2022 for about 2100 dollars, good deal?
Great and thorough review Josh! The fan noise and display issue are the only real turn-offs for me. Guess we'll see if either of those can be fixed in a software update or it just is what it is. One thing to note is ASUS recently put their 4080 version back on stock, which also comes with a mini-led screen, but it doesn't have the anime matrix. Pro of that is it hopefully gets a bit better battery life than the 4090 version and weighs actually less than the X16 (2.1kg vs 2.2kg).
As you know, I'm waffling between this laptop and the X16. Weight/battery/price of the X16 are pretty much the same as the 4080 m16 and I don't really care about a touch-screen or attaching an external monitor. So it sounds like I need to decide if Glossy screen + better fan noise > better gaming performance. Think I'm missing anything else?
Better Performance in strix g16 at 2.5kg
I have both. The x16 is hard to love but hard to not miss too once your hooked. It produced an all common high pitched turbine whistle to the fans. It also had a noisy hinge I didn’t want to wait to resolve over time. They feel almost identical otherwise in daily use if you don’t fold it. Gaming the m16 clearly takes by the landslide. The display though amazing with the gloss it also turns into a finger printed reflective shit show fast! I figured I’d wipe it down once or twice a day and be fine but nope if you have fingerprints you can’t use it under florescent lights in an office setting because it’s terrible. You could simply never touch the display then it’s fine but keep it noted.
@@xtradi Yeah, i hear you. I'm primarily going to be working on this so a good webcam and keyboard are important for me as well though.
@@BuiltInception Thanks! Good to hear on the screen. Honestly, I typically prefer Matte over glossy for that reason. I'm definitely leaning more towards the M16, but I'll ultimately make my decision next week when I'm back in the US (hope the 4080 is back in stock by then!). It does seem like based on reviews that the m16 often has more quality issues than the x16, but maybe that's just luck of the draw
the M16 may be better for gaming NOW but will it be anything special in a couple of years? The X16 will still be glossy and still a convertable with touch screen even in 10 years (if of course you want these things). Moreover, hoping that Asus will not discontinue the XG-Mobile project, the X16 can became way better for gaming than the M16 in a couple of years if you are willing to fork over a couple of thounsand dollars.
I really dont see how anyone can prefer a matt display for entertainmend purpouses, given that the reflectiveness is no problem when you can have more than a 1000 nits.
Long story short, I bought the X16 a month ago and I would still make the same choice today.
PS: I usually avoid using the touchscreen a lot because yes, " it turns into a finger printed reflective shit show fast" but its nice to know I have it in case I dont feel like puting it on my lap and want to go tablet mode.
Hi Josh, great review as always. Will you also be reviewing the Zephyrus G14 2023?
Thanks! And yes that review is on the way as well!
@@JoshCravesTech Just saw the community post, excited for your thoughts!!!
hey mate thanks for these in depth videos! I see y ou have results from the 2023 X16 with the 4070 here. Where did you get that from? Do you have the machine? If so can we be expecting a review from the new flow x16?
Thanks! Yes, those are my test numbers, and that’s my next review to be published!
@@JoshCravesTech DUDE WAITING! you may be the first to publish a proper review on the unit and I'm excited! Keep up the good work. When do you think you will be publishing it?
@@JoshCravesTech also is there anyway you’ll be able to test Microsoft flight simulator at QHD, with DLSS 3 and Frame gen by any chance?
7:36 Strix are like, the E-sports machines by Asus while the Zephyrus lineup are the portable laptops.
Wish more people touched on the music production aspect of creator devices, so glad that you did.
Right? I never see it in reviews
@@JoshCravesTech right! & thank you for your indepth work too, im into production therefore im contemplating between the blade 16 and this. The hx processors really dunks on the h series, it would be great if you review razer laptops too!
Any review coming on the SCAR 16 w/4090 by chance? I’m on the fence between this and the Scar !
Absolutely amazing review. You deserve 100x the amount of subscribers than you do now.
Thanks so much!
Such a great reviewer you deserve millions subscribers ❤😮
Thank you 🙏
The short answer is that Advanced Optimus, like Optimus before it, is a compromise hack that doesn't do what people think it does. You cannot "software toggle" a MUX switch without a reboot.
The long answer is that Advanced Optimus works by connecting the display input simultaneously to both the iGPU as a display and the dGPU as a virtual display via a MUX switch and toggling between the two by disabling one GPU or the other in software, so only one is outputing at a time. However, the iGPU continues to run the driver and to use power even when disabled with Advanced Optimus, so you take a performance hit when you are TDP-limited contrasted with hardware-disconnecting the iGPU via Armoury Crate MUX settings and rebooting. Hardware-disconnecting the iGPU forces NVIDIA _not_ to use Advanced Optimus, which gives you better performance over disabling the iGPU with Advanced Optimus.
The main reason ASUS standard operating procedure is to connect some USB-C ports to the iGPU and others to the dGPU isn't power saving. Both Intel and AMD mobile integrated chipsets only support PCIe-tunnelling when connecting to the iGPU, which means that USB-C ports can either be Thunderbolt 4/USB-4 or be connected to the dGPU, but not both. ASUS chooses to have one USB-C port for PCIe-tunnelling and one for display performance. However, with Advanced Optimus, this can cause problems, because when Advanced Optimus "switches" to the iGPU via "virtual MUXing" by disabling the dGPU output, it disables displays not connected to the iGPU.
Advanced Optimus is kind of a waste of time. It doesn't offer the same performance of hardware-disconnecting the iGPU via MUX + reboot. What it does offer are an additional false "just plainly better" sales bullet point and additional problems. I'm not too happy that ASUS finally decides to cave and to add Advanced Optimus to their laptops, but NVIDIA really is the marketing king so I get why ASUS finally caves.
Hey Josh could you test the new Vivobook Pro 16 oled with the rtx 4050 too?
What a thorough review. Thank you for that. I bought yesterday the exact same model and I'm not getting anywhere near with the benchmarks. I'm getting 10000 CPU and 15000 GPU on 3dmark time spy. I set to manual and all clocks to the maximum on armoury crate. What am I doing wrong? Woul dyou have any advice? Thanks in advance
You bought the 4090? 15,000 is way too low of a GPU score. First thing you need to rule out is a bad thermal paste application. So install HWinfo, open graphs for core CPU temperature and GPU temperature, run Time Spy, and see if you were constantly hitting the max temperatures throughout the run. Sometimes you can tell in the Time Spy built-in graph too if you notice some sharp spikes downward on the GPU clock speed line during the graphics tests.
Will you review the 2023 xflow 16?
hi josh! i was very curious too with asus decision on changing the amd cpu to intel cpu especially for new x16 and g16...is it related to stock availability issues? cuz not just rog, asus zenbook s13 even getting "Inteled" this year 😂
It is because of stock, absolutely. Ryzen 7000 laptops are just now starting to slowly release and we're nearly halfway through the year 🤣 I definitely think AMD processors on those laptops would've benefitted them greatly since AMD doesn't need much wattage to perform well, which would likely allow the GPU to hit it's max wattage potential more often.
I loved your video, I would like to know which one would you choose with the Asus Zephyrus M16 or ROG Flow X16 (2023)?
I would pick the Flow still! Even though has less GPU options, it’s just such a premium device and that glossy screen is so nice!!
Awesome review. I hope you review the Asus Zenbook 14 pro oled 120hz 4070, seems like the perfect all arounder.
Yeah I’m drawn to that one and the new Vivobook Pro 16X that just released with the 3D OLED screen!
Thanks for the comparison! Would you say it's worth getting the newer G16 4060 or the more powerful M16 3070ti (2022)?
Between those two I’d pick the 2023 G16 better GPU efficiency, similar performance especially in its Performance/Balanced mode it’ll probably be better, better CPU, and likely quieter
Thanks for the review. Great review as always. I got a question and I really need help. I have been constantly thinking on which laptop to buy either Zephyrus M16 2022 (3080 ti) or Zephyrus M16 2023 (4070). The problem is in my country the 2022 with that specs costing USD1928 while 2023 is USD2383. I am not a hardcore gamer, the game I usually play is Minecraft with shaders. I usually watch video stream. But i am very worried about the coating on 2022. Do you think it is worth getting the 2023 or 2022 one?
I would get the 2023 for the improved chassis and cooling. But it’s always nice to save $400, it’s just yeah the rubberized coating would scare me for long term
@@JoshCravesTech ty for the help. It seems like i need to do some gamble with this 😂
A very comprehensive review, thanks! I'm going back and forth between the M16 and the Zephyrus 14 and the Legion Pro 7i. Right now I'm looking at the 4080 GPU option for all of them and wondered what your opinion of the three laptops was?
Thanks! And I’ll paste some of what I said in a similar comment but adding to it. That’s a tough one! The Zephyrus is definitely much more portable and a more balanced laptop. The display is also better on the Zephyrus M16 and G14 than the Legion if you value screen quality. Even if it’s the IPS model, it just has a wider color gamut so more vivid colors. Battery life is better as well on the M16 and way better on the G14, and both of those can perform really well on battery, USB-C, or in Balanced mode (I think Silent mode GPU performance is bugged until they put a bios update out). Silent mode on the G14 is god-tier. The Legion just wins in max power. So max CPU and GPU performance are higher on the Legion. In games it’s probably like 10% more fps on the Legion. But it definitely is a bit chunky and quite heavy. The G14 almost feels like a small model of a laptop in comparison to the others. It’s just so insanely portable and compact it’s crazy. To get that much performance from a 14” device is just crazy to me. And it doesn’t get too hot or too loud either. In fact, the G14 is the quietest of the three! Personally I’d choose the G14 but I’m also someone who values portability and battery life. If it was going to be in one spot 99% of the time I might choose the Legion.
@@JoshCravesTech that’s a great summary, much appreciated! Each laptop has a feature that I like. The Legion has the performance, the M16 has the upgradable Wi-Fi and 2nd M.2 slot and the Zephyrus 14 has the compact size and power. Right now only the 4090 version of the Zeph 14 is available. I was curious if the 4080 and the 4090 versions would perform similarly due to throttling.
@@Stealther the 4080 G14 is about 5-10% behind the 4090 model, sometimes less, so there isn’t too big of a difference. The 4090 G14 actually runs a little cooler because of the 4090 die size.
@@JoshCravesTech I just ordered the Zephyrus 14 with the 4090, thanks for your help!
As a strict 100% gamer do you think I would notice blooming at all? I would be consuming media and some light web browsing. Thanks!
Could yo do a manual mode tutorial? It seems like the fan configuration restarts every time
Thanks so much for the video, you are the first one digging into the feature I need to know, the Mini LED. As a Macbook pro user, I know exactly what it feels like to watch dolby vision movie on an excellent Mini Led screen, that is why my chioce for the gaming laptop has been the M16 with RTX4090 and Mini Led so that I can have a similar gaming experience as I do with movie on my macbook, unitil watch your video. Because as you mentioned, the brightness algorithm on the M16 just give the M16 lower brightness than the flow 16, which only has 512 dimming zones. I want the screen to run at its peak brightness when I need it, and if the system just turn down the birghtness, then it is absolutely pointless for that 1000 nit screen.
Could you please let me know did Asus provide any update to fix that issue? Or that screen still has lower brightness? If the issue remains, I would probably go for the ROG Duo 16 with RTX4090 and Mini Led, by the way, how does the Mini Led on that one perform? I recently noticed that ROG does not even label the Duo 16 as HDR on their website, which is very weird, seems like their most expensive laptop now does not deserve that HDR title just because it does not have their "Nebula Engine".
Thanks again for the infomation.
Thanks for watching! So yeah, even though the algorithm turns it down a bit sometimes (and this applies to ALL Asus laptops with this panel of 1,024 zones, including the Zephyrus Duo), it still hits extremely bright levels in HDR content. Sometimes it’s brighter than the Flow, sometimes it’s a bit dimmer, it’s strange. But overall I’d say without having that comparison I’d be very happy with this screen. The brightness is blinding either way! It’s absolutely beautiful and miles ahead of any other gaming laptop display this year.
finally, great review always
Thanks!!!
What a fantastic review! You answered pretty much every single question I had, even the ones I didn’t, kept things level-headed, edited for excellent conciseness, delved into topics nobody else had, and credited the excellent Jarrod’s Tech. Thank you so much for helping me make up my mind over which laptop to buy!
Absolutely, thank you for watching!!
Oh thank lord they ditched that smudgy coating which had issues such as quite literally flaking and leaving a 'crater' behind on your literal palm rest and chipping on the sides too.. ofc its black so it'll still attract fingerprints but atleast no go into self destruct mode as soon as the warranty is over
Thank for review, between legion pro 7 4090 and Zephyrus M16 4090 which one do you prefer? In terms of long term use and quality, I'm a gamer but I hate bulky chassis, I want to know your overall opinion considering the power for fps
That’s a tough one! The Zephyrus is definitely much more portable and a more balanced laptop. The display is also way better on the Zephyrus if you value screen quality. Battery life is better as well, and it can perform really well on battery, USB-C, or in Balanced mode (I think Silent mode GPU performance is bugged until they put a bios update out). The Legion just wins in max power. So max CPU and GPU performance are higher on the Legion. In games it’s probably like 10% more fps on the Legion. But it definitely is a bit chunky and quite heavy.
Does the new Flow X16 also have the same Advanced Optimus issues? Been thinking of buying that one so I'm curious about its quirks. Also, how does it generally compare to last year's model?
Flow X16 has not had those issues! It performs just a little better than last year’s model. The best part is how much better the “Performance” profile specifically performs because of the 40 series efficiency. So you get better performance at lower noise levels.
@@JoshCravesTech Thanks for the answer! This made me a little more confident in my buying choice. I'll be definitely looking forward to your full review! Keep up the good work!
The blooming issue you mentioned. Is this a similar case with 2022 vs 2023 Flow X16 that 2023 blooming is worse or this an M16 problem with the matte coating?
The 2023 Flow X16 also has worse blooming than the 2022 Flow X16, but not as bad as the M16. I don’t get it tbh, idk how they messed up the dimming algorithm. It’s not BAD by any means, just somehow not as good.
Hey Josh,
I've never used a laptop that has a mini-LED display.
I can't decide between the Legion 7i 4080 and the Zephyrus M16 4080.
Do you think the mini-LED/keyboard/trackpad on the Zeph is worth the lower performance compared to the Legion 7i?
Yeah personally I would. It just makes it feel much more like a premium product. I typically only suggest the Legion to people who don’t care to compromise on premium features for a little more fps.
@@JoshCravesTech That's the answer I was hoping for! I think you've helped me make up my mind on the M16.
One last question: Is the haloing from the mini-LED noticeable during everyday use? Does it ruin the experience of youtube videos/gaming?
Thanks again.
Similar specs with Lenovo Legion Slim 7i in lowest SKU. Best head to head ?
The best review honestly 😎
Thank you 🙏
Don't know I'm watching this after I bought the laptop, but here I am anyway. Great video.
Josh do you have any issue when playing games at high performance, in your keyboard? Like is it hot in ur keyboard areas if u play games for too long?
No not really, the keyboard acts as an air intake, and they specifically target the WASD keys so those stay especially cool. Some of the keys are warmer like the bottom of the space bar, but not uncomfortable at all.
I'm thinking of upgrading from the 3070 Zephyrus g15 with the r9 5900hs to this laptop with a 4070, do you think the performance upgrade is worth it? and are there any better alternatives?
The 3070 to the 4070 is unfortunately not a major increase in performance. You will see nice gains on the CPU side but on the GPU side it’ll be an upgrade still, just not night and day. That’s Nvidia’s fault though for making the 4070 so mid this year. If you can go for a 4080 laptop that’s where you’ll see much bigger gains.
However the M16 chassis is pretty nice and if you’re getting the mini-LED display you’ll really love the upgrade there!
I’ve got the 4070 version and got terrible performance in gaming until I turned off Optimus. I’m not too upset about that because when I go from work to play I’m not in a rush so a 2 minute restart is not that inconvenient. My fan noise hasn’t been an issue with the default curve but it’s also a less powerful machine. It stays WAY cooler compared to last years 3070ti version and is much more quiet too. The lack of mini led is no big deal to me because I hate the halo effect. I’ve been spoiled by my OLED monitor for my desktop but honestly the laptops panel is still great. If I had money to spare I’d go for the 4080 version since the performance difference between it and the 4090 isn’t as big as the difference between the 4070 and 4080, but if you want the 4090 I feel like you’re the kind of person that wants the best gaming machine and there are better 4090 laptops for that because the power limitations matter a lot. Overall I think it’s the best gaming laptop when you consider portability, ascetics, panel quality, and performance. There’s no other product that gets so many things right.
How’s the backlight bleed on this machine since I know that some people had that issue with last years model
thank you for the video. Do you think it is worth paying more for 2023 4070 m16? compared to g15 2022 3070ti with sale?
I’d just wait until Black Friday if you got the time you might be able to score a really good deal on this one. The 3070ti model maybe be cheaper rn but the 3rd fan and better heat management (and therefore fans) I’d say are worth the wait. Plus fully swapable ram compared to the one stick soldered onto the motherboard in previous years
@@purevessel5159 thank you mate ı will wait
Earlier I used to be confused between Lenovo Alienware etc but they don’t even come to my mind ( not saying they are bad in any way ) but if I buy a laptop someday it’s definitely going to be ASUS ❤
been thinking about this laptop but also thinking on the asus proArtbook oled 2023 version. Only drawback is that it only has a rtx 4070 build in. In netherlands they only have one version for sale yet. what screen would you prefer?
Mini-LED all the way for me! OLED in laptops still has a ways to go with some innovations, color shift, and burn-in protection before I’d really consider it.
can you lock the cpu frequency through registry edit?
I lock mine at 3.5 ghz cpu frequency with effecient aggressive (zephyrus m16 2021).
Have they corrected the software for m1) in 2024 or these software issues still stands??
outstanding cover. that was my mistake early this year. bought MSI sword, and realised the device can NOT do multi monitors, neither HDMI divider worked nor there is any Display port type C.. and now i'm just hooked to 1 monitor with 2 turned off monitors, waiting. and yes.
As I saw in other reviews, it appears that Intel has more battery life for low power tasks.
Hey Josh, I love your video! I've been torn between the new M16 and the X16, and I recently had to make a choice, could you please give me some help?
That’s a tough one. The M16 is more powerful (assuming you’re getting a 4080 or 4090 model) but the X16 has that really nice touchscreen display. Personally I like the X16 more, but if my top priority was more fps in games then I’d get the 4080/4090 M16.
@@JoshCravesTech Thank you so much! But in my area, I can only get the m16 4070 version for now, which is also miniled screen. And m16 will cost more than x16. In this case, how do I choose m16 vs flow x16?
@@novak2817 if both are 4070 and both are the mini-LED model then I would 100% go with the Flow X16
@@JoshCravesTech Thank you so much for your recommendation! looking forward to your next flow x16 review😉😉😉
Kinda funny got the g16 on sale but it was defective went to return it but couldn't since best buy was out of stock got the m16 for the replacement and I'm glad I did its awesome
M16 is much better than the G16! You got a good trade!!
@@JoshCravesTech yes for sure lol tho g16 was nice but the m16 is way quieter which I love.
im between omen 17 4090 vs zephyrus m16 4080, which one should i choose?
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This review is awesome
Whats your opinion about m16 with rtx 4070 !?
I think it's a great chassis for a 4070 as well. It's nice and thin and the 4070 kinda trickles off in performance after 100 watts so this is great for that.
@@JoshCravesTech
First of all thank you for your response and i appreciate that
I just have a question about mini led whine sound in ROG M16 display
Is that very bad !? I live in iran and i should order this laptop from other countries and because of that i don't have a return options
@@applepulse it’s hard to notice unless you’re in a dead silent room then it’s like a slight high pitched noise. If you’re gaming you’ll never hear it because it is easily drowned out by the fans.
@@JoshCravesTech thank you
How would you compare this to an apple m2 pro for creative tasks with adobe premier and photoshop? I'm looking at performance and battery mainly for this and no gaming use.
It will be up there with the MacBook. The battery life will not even come close to MacBook though, and of course it will run a bit hotter and louder. If you don’t mind MacOS, and you’re not gaming, I’d say the MacBook is technically a better deal. But either one will absolutely perform amazing in Photoshop and Premiere Pro
Could you provide your underolting settings?
@josh cravey what is the best display port to use in this laptop using an external monitor, for me to able to maximize, is it HDMI? using the GPU not the integrated graphics.
Use the USB-C port but make sure Armoury Crate is in “Ultimate” GPU mode
which laptop you using as your main laptop?
Hello! Just picked this model up with the 4080 and I have some questions. Does the keyboard get abnormally hot for you? My temps are well within temp limit, cpu being around 80-85 and GPU is mid 70s, and after long gaming sessions the WASD keys get very hot.
No usually the left fan keeps that area fairly comfortable! WASD is usually much cooler than the rest of the keyboard. Hopefully you don’t have defective vents or something. The keyboard definitely is a tiny bit warm but I never found it uncomfortable at all.
@@JoshCravesTech Yeah, I think my vents look fine. I took off one of the fans on the laptop, and yeah the fans are definitely doing its job on trying to cooldown the keyboard as there are little holes underneath the fans with tiny dust particles in them, which I assume is how the fans are cooling the keyboard. It could possibly be my room but I’ll try to do some more testing.
The screen warps after a little while (4 mths for me) causing bleeding backlight and because its a screen issue they refused to cover it. the bleed isnt noticeable while its on, however its shitty becausethe laptop now doesnt close flush anymore, there is a gap(very noticeable). The performance is very good, its very good to type on and the trackpad is great, i love the trackpad.
Definitely not something that happens often but I’m sorry that happened to you! It is a great laptop though!
super details in the testing, why do you have such a low subscribers?
Appreciate it!
hi ! i can get a new asus m16 with the 4090 for 2800 bucks, what do you think ? thanks for your review
Not bad at all for being new! I think that’s a good price for how insane this thing is
Hey josh, do u think that the 4070 of the m16 is worth considering?
I do, yeah. The 4070 is a good one. Just know that because of the way the 4060 and 4070 cards are, that smaller/thinner laptops like the G14, Flow X16, Zenbook Pro 14, etc. will all reach the same level of performance. They all top out around 90-100 watts and don’t perform any better beyond that, which is why there’s so many thin/light laptops that are reaching performance they couldn’t do before this year. So if you’re going for the 4070 M16, you have to want it for more than just the GPU.
the 4080 model of the M16 also has the mini-LED display... and you don't have to pay the extra for the silly (and heavy) anime matrix thing on the lid
Very true. You lose about 10-15% of the performance but it’s not a bad deal considering the lesser price and having it weigh a little less
Your reviews are fantastic. Very detailed. I've never heard anyone mention those Mini-LED issues, but it looks quite annoying.
What is "the best" laptop series available right now in your opinion? I'm coming from having a desktop PC with an OLED monitor and an M1 Macbook, but now I need a Windows laptop to do it all. Thinking Asus G14 (probably in 4080/IPS spec) but I wish it had a glossy screen... going to a matte one after using Macbooks and OLEDs for years feels sad. Thanks!
Yeah I’d say G14 is my favorite of the year. I also wish it had a glossy screen but you get used to the matte when the brightness is as high as it is! If you have the budget, go for the 4090 mini-LED!
Just curious if fan tuning and external output issues have been fixed?
There still hasn’t been any bios updates for this laptop since I bought it. Which is really confusing because the G14 has had 4 bios updates now and that one came out later than this did. So no, still the same quirks for now. Although some people with different models like the 4070 one have reported not having the same external output issue, which is even more confusing lol.
@@JoshCravesTech Thank you so much for the update. I'm looking at 4070 (I know you praised about mini-LED but since I will use external monitor a lot). So maybe 4070 is ok with external output, though the fan tuning still concerns me.
@@jtjt376 yes from what I heard, Turbo mode is still broken. But the workaround is to use Manual mode for now! Or honestly, using G-Helper might be a better workaround. G-Helper is an alternative to Armoury Crate that I’ll be making a full video on soon.
Hey Josh, the M16 2023 that comes with the 4080 does have MiniLed.
Oh good to know! Does that one also have the aniMe matrix lid?
@@JoshCravesTechnah just the 4090
Hallo guys, I have a question. I have the scar 18 with i9 13980hx and rtx 4090 butt it is really big and heavy, so I was thinking about the zephyrus m16 with i9 13900h amd rtx 4090
I wonder if Asus has or will put out a patch to fix the Turbo mode fan issue?
Normally they’re quick to fix issues like that, but I’m actually surprised there still hasn’t been a single bios update for this laptop since it released 😅 it’s gotta be any day now, but we’ll see. I’m seeing bios updates release on other Zephyrus models a lot right now
Btw Will you be reviewing the zephyrus g16?
Idk, I’m salty about it. Seems to be the same as last year’s M16 but with a spec bump so probably would perform a little worse than the current M16 with 4060/4070, but if I find a good deal I might check it out!
Hay Josh you think the zephyrus g14 rtx4070 worth? Or is the 4080 so much better? There is no offer in my Country for the 4080 :( .
Sorry to hear that. The 4080 performs up to about 40% better than the 4070, which is a pretty huge increase in performance. Whether it’s worth the price is up to you though. I have the 4090 G14 and I absolutely love it. It was way too expensive for sure but I’m still happy with the device personally.
@@JoshCravesTech i think the Problem is in the Country of US they dont even Sell the 4080 either the 4090 only 4070... And Asus Support told me they dont even know when the gonna Sell it or if even...
Imma go with the 4070 version! Ips display but still has all the nebula color gamut certifications, lower powered gpu so quieter fans, one monitor setup and that only for gaming so can just switch to dgpu whenerver i wanna play... its just perfect and $1950 at bestbuy currently, once it drops to about 1600-1700 in bestbuy sales, imma jump on it!😂
Yeah it’s a way better deal than the previous M16s! Much more bang for your buck this generation, especially when you consider that the 2022 3070 Ti M16 was around the same price or more
I have the 4070 model and bumped the ram to 32gb and storage to 4tb. Dump armoury crate for ghelper and it's a great unit.
@@keirrasmussen awesome!
@@keirrasmussendoes changing the bios to ghelper or adding ram void the warranty?
@@purevessel5159 Ghelper has nothing to do with the bios, it's just a piece of software. Installing ram won't void warranty.
Deserve so many many more subs
Thank you!!