Thanks for tuning in yall. We got a mixed bag incoming in the next couple of weeks - some X870 and some new Intel Core Ultra Z890 Stuff too. Though I want to make some used budget builds, what is the best price range you guys want to see right now? Also you can grab process lasso here if you have a multi CCD ryzen chip bitsum.com/download-process-lasso/
Hi mate if possible any chance you could make a tutorial for using process lasso. I want to use it with my 5600x but not sure what options I need to change
Thanks for the mention Brian (don't know if it's Bryan or Brian, sorry). I do have to state though that the next dual CCD X3D chips will have 3d cache on both CCDS, making them awesome gaming monsters!
Ah no worries man. I have seen some of your results in the past and it's glad to see you report the truth. As for the next dual ccd chips that would be good. The 7950x3d was a weird one, and even the 9950x with its inferior superior bin complex lol.
I got it at BNH Software and well I've had it for a short while now and I hope that this weekend I'll have time to get my preliminary observations out, I owe them to you for now
our technology has been capped for a very long time, they have technology hundreds of years into the future but they just don’t want to release it, it makes companies more money by milking the old technology for decades. Billionaires will be made, new wealth families will appear, and humanity won’t advance at all.
In the bios you can set the CPU to "prefer driver" and it should more consistently choose the 3D vcache core for games and fix the latency issue, if people don't want to buy process lasso, even though it's amazing.
@@greelow A video called "AMD Core-Parking problems FIXED once and for all!" from JayzTwoCents on youtube explains it pretty well, it depends on your BIOS but it should be somewhere in advanced\AMD CBS\SMU Common Options\ then it's the top option called "CPPC Dynamic Preferred Cores" you can set it to "prefer driver" ..it only works if you have the AMD Chipset motherboard driver properly installed
I always enjoy your no nonsense approach to your videos. You can get a tad too technical for my brain sometimes but i realise why you have to do it. Please keep the great vids coming.
Heya Bryan, been on Win10 for couple years now, refreshed my Win10 install when i got my 7800x3d, used your coupon code to get extra -30% off, will stay on Win10 as long as possible, did your tuning guides also, wont consider trying anything new at this point. Much love and keep up the good job.
I'm a 7800x3d user and I got dual boot setup one win11 and one win 10. You should jump the ship to win11 as your license key already supports the free upgrade. No reason to stay on w10 unless you want cracked games that might not work on w11.
Already did exactly what you' re recommending for my 7950X3D ; Win10, CPPC to "drivers", Balanced Power plan and Process Lasso ! No real issue with losing some performance in gaming, at 1440p Ultrawide I'm always GPU bound (7900XTX), don't play any FPS
Great testing and showcase but I also have so many questions as I am not seeing the same results here plus when turning off the 2nd ccd. my 7950x3d does not lose to a 7800x3d by the amounts here with process lasso. When using Lasso, was Freq CCD forced used in the bios for driver preferred? so everything is running on Freq CCD for background tasks and then only use the x3d ccd for games via Lasso. Also your right regarding lasso locks the option to change in some games, most likely due to anti cheat build into games. Sometimes have to use the custom commands in steam to force x3d cores (old school) or run the launch application with the required changes in lasso so it sticks when you load the game. Ultimate Performance plan is used on my end. A have tested quite a few games even turning off the CCD2 and just running one CCD does not give me extra frames.. normally slightly worse due to backround tasks now forced back to x3d ccd. The 7950x3d should also be running higher clocks as the 7800x3d is locked to 5050mhz by default unless bclk OC is used. Was the 7950x3d also boosting ok to 5200-5250mhz via x3d ccd?
Strange because AMD said you should use high performance power plan when undervolting CPU and GPU or when using ryzen master. I've been getting power issues on balanced power plan with my undervolted 6700xt and 3600. All of it stopped when I click high performance ryzen plan. Kinda crazy
@@The_One_Eyed_Rouge I have an Overclocked (undervolted -30mv, PBO +200 enabled with temp cap at 75C) 7950X3D and I always have it on balanced and hits 5.9ghz, no issues. I also use mostly Linux as main OS too, not sure if that makes any difference.
@@The_One_Eyed_RougeI am sort of with you on undervolt and throttling with w10 power plans. My ryzen BSOD'd on "power saver" while undervolted only -28. Stable on -25 and balanced. Not gonna try power saver again
My system is the Asus Rog Crosshair x670e Hero, 79503X3D, and 4080 Super. I have BIOS set to Driver, Windows 11 on High Performance, Ram at 3000 MCLK/UCLK3000/2033FCLK. I will say my PC has been running rock solid streaming live for 96+ hours (without a shutdown) plus gaming (240fps Lowest Resolution) at night within those hours.
7950x "needs" balanced mode, as the gamemode+mixedreality profiles (with CPMinCores and CPConcurrency overrides) that it installs are only for this scheme and 2 related overlays (which match slider positions to the left and right). So if you wanna rely on automatic behavior - that is 3d cache service relying on game bar to prioritize CCD0 + CCD1 parking via game mode profiles - then yea it will only work as intended under balanced scheme. This approach while usually working has its own barrel of worms to deal with as well. Thank goodness this will be put to rest with 9000 x3d line.
Hello, I’d like to ask about two more things. First, when using Process Lasso with the 7950X3D, does the Power Plan setting not matter, and do both plans work similarly? And my second question is, in the method with Process Lasso, do you have Cache/Frequency/Driver Preference set in the BIOS, or is it just on Auto?
The scheduler works best for ryzen with banalnced. That´s what AMD says. Lasso is another thing cause you can tell the processes which cores to use. If I´m nit that wrong the parking mode is deactivated in high perf. Thats why it sometimes is slower witht he Ryzens cause every core is acitve and will be used from anything. While in balanced especially in games that are recognized, the cache cores will be focused. That´s what i understood so far. But i use my 9750X3D with Lasso anyway. It´s just smooth when you set all but games on the non cache cores and just the game gets the cache. It´s like a whole CPU just for the game, no matter whats running in the background :) Unfortunately a hand full of games doesn´t care thanks to the anti cheat tampers xD
cpu sets work for me for anti cheat games, with 3d cache service disabled in Windows Services, and in bios, I've set preferred core to cache. At some point i had preferred core set to frequency, but anti cheat games started complaining when trying to set cpu sets.
How does this translate across to the 5700/5800X3D CPUs as well? Similar sort of results, should we have these cpus in High Performance or balanced for best general performance across multiple game titles etc?
Hello there Mr TYC..ive been following your channel for a couple yrs now love the content,but I have a problem.I'm running a 5900x on a x470 motherboard with 32gigs@3200mh ram and a 4070 super asus strix.I pretty much play Escape from Tarkov,but play Call of duty with a long time friend,and have no issues playing COD,but i prefer to play ESCAPE FROM TARKOV IN pve mode,and i barely brake 60 fps..if i run a scav fps is just fine normally way over 100 fps,but in pve mode on my pmc it runs on my pc and not the game servers,and i'm having issues,can you help me?
Didn't AMD recommend balanced for all x3d cpus??? Also, if you follow the original post about making sure the x3d is using the correct cores and parking them. Ive had my 7950x3d and never had issues with the gaming using the 3d cores. All people having problems is due to user error
Windows 11 Pro for Workstations has an Extreme setting (it says its for powerful pc's). It doesn't seem to do much except keep the cpu on it's highest speed with no 'speedstep' downclocking. You can add the power plan to any Win 11 install with a script though if you enjoy wasting electricity.
Fabio @ AncientGamplays is a great TH-camr and pc game, cpu and GPU driver tester and I’ve been watching his channel for a while now ….. about 1.5years and love his content. He’s currently battling bushfires across Portugal nearby and just moved to a new home to avoid the games etc.
Brian, you didn't really explain why the latency is higher on Windows for 2-CCD CPU's, it is because of CCD-hopping, Windows its threadscheduler first scheduling some task on 1 CCD and then the other. Due to that the data is not in the cache and you have to wait for the fetching of the data.
would love to know at what speed ddr4 / ddr5 DUAL chan beats ddr4 QUAD chan for the Xeon cpu's on X99 platform.. Also WIndows 11's multi thread update, how does that fair for the old x79's these days? or even OS's that arn't supposed to run it 3/4th 6/7th etc.. ?? :)
How much of difference do these profiles make on SIGNIFICANTLY OLDER hardware? I am running a Xeon E5-2697v2 with 32gb ddr3 and a sata ssd. Newest component is rx 600 8gb gpu. I am in no position to upgrade even a super budget friendly upgrade is out of reach for me so any extra bit I can squeeze out of my ancient rig is worth it.
I really wish we could get a 12 core monolithic die. I reencode a lot of stuff, but also game a lot and don't feel like having two separate systems for that. Plus there are certain emulation software that actually prefer having a whole bunch of cores to horde to themselves. 8 core processor on RPCS3 while you are trying to manage other applications can result in noticeable performance loss. Single CCD 12 core would be the ideal mid ground. But I feel like we are never gonna get that from AMD.
I think the 6 core and 8 core ryzen cpus are also dual ccds with cores disabled and that has been the norm since ryzen 1000 so what difference would the performance mode or balanced mode will show to those low core count ryzen cpus ?
So. 7800x3d/9800x3d=1 CCD so just High performance power plan is fine.Don't even need Game mode "ON" either then.Just works. 7950/9950X=2 CCD so its best to have it on balanced (or lasso) and Game mode must be on "ON" Multi CCD cpu's sound like a hassle.
if you change the affinity of whatever launcher youre using for games like gears 5 to the ccd u want to use, the game will adopt that affinity set for example Rust doesnt let you change affinities so if you set steam to 0-7, rust will then open with 0-7
The best thing I did for my Ryzen 9 5900x for gaming was to run Windows 11 on a Qemu KVM virtual machine under Linux with GPU passthrough. I passed over 12 threads. It outperforms using all 24 threads in Windows natively. I wonder how well that would do with a Ryzen 9 7950x or 9950x?
when you install chipset drivers you should be able to choose two more power profiles AMD Ryzen Power Plan "balance & high" in addition to the normal windows power "balance&high" profile.. any difference?
Been waiting for this for quite a while, because i got 7950x3D after dissapointing zen 5 launch and even if set properly and tuned i couldn't atleast match basic 7800x3D results, and i suspected that it might be because even though second ccd is disabled on 7950x3D, it still creates some latency and brings performance down, maximum i could achieve with 7950x3D CCD0 enabled only and tuned in FAR CRY 6 was 276fps compared to your 281fps result of 7800x3D. However results are not repeatable, far cry doens't seem like trusty benchmark. However sad fact is fact 7950x3D cost me only slight more than 7800x3D, but that latency thingy because of two different ccd's even if one is disabled still causes some issues
Process lassoo is good. On all OS's.affinity is inherited from parent process to child process so if you stick use to first CCD for the steam executable. Should do a good job across board. And can then hand tune for specific binaries.Other launchers are obviously available, but same rule should work.
how about ultimate performance power plan and process lasso the games to run on ccd0.....and thanks for not giving the cliche recommendations "it depends"
Well i have a ryzen 7 5800x and rtx 4070 super, and well setting it to balanced made my games feel smoother in my opinion. I did not put an fps counter, because im testing the feel of the games.
3:22 This is interesting - obviously there's only so much one can do to make tests like this fair and you've clearly done everything in your power for that to be so, but we can see in these two scenes that they're not *perfectly* equal - indeed it appears that there is more going on in the scene for the "balanced" gameplay, meaning the difference in performance is possibly even higher than noted. This of course is making some reasonable assumptions about things like how the engine handles object culling and such, but I think that given there's a few degrees(c) of difference between the GPUs there that too points to more work being done on the GPU in scene 2. 4:17 Again we can see a small discrepancy in the power consumption and utilisation of both CPU and GPU in effectively the same scene: There definitely appears to be something of note here; When operating on balanced it appears that more work is being done on the GPU than the CPU, which might speak to how that particular game's render pipeline was designed? I'm speculating here! Boy, am I glad I chose the single CCD SKU, as this looks like the kind of minor headache that would drive me bonkers!
I like your ending statement, just enjoy the game. I'm actually confused about what the gaming difference is, between 200 FPS and 189 FPS? To carry this further, what's the difference between 220 FPS and say 75? I'm more concerned with the graphic's quality and visuals, (forget RT/if I can see reflections on water etc.ok) AMD is just as good.
I can see why balanced is recommended for multi CCD processors, but I do not see why people recommend against high performance on single CCD processors. On my 5800x3d when I choose the ultimate performance power plan, my sensitivity in games feels faster giving me more snappiness on my system. I have switched between the balanced and ultimate performance plan multiple times and it is not placebo. I can immediately tell my cursor feels different. The only argument I can see is for potential power savings and temps. But if you have a good cooler, these issues aren’t so problematic
I’ve noticed the same on my 7800X3D… It feels vastly different, although I am currently on Balanced since I just reformatted and installed 24H2 (have yet to compare it on 24H2).
@@Lockwood360 Temps will be affected but again if you have a good cooler on a single CCD processor, it shouldn’t be an issue. Especially if you undervolt your CPU. The temp increase should be more noticeable in Casual browsing / idle compared to gaming though. In terms of performance, I am talking about input latency which quite frankly, is a very sensitive and controversial topic. To the average gamer that just wants to chill and have a good time, balanced is preferable. However when it comes to competitive gaming and or minimizing latency, balanced makes my input latency feel different. Note that I am not talking about performance metrics and FPS. I’m referring to overall system responsiveness, particularly in FPS titles (Overwatch in my case).
Awesome video thanks. I have a 9950x and this doesn't seem to work for Warzone. I set core affinity to CCD0 but it stays fixed at 0-31. Did you manage to get this working for WZ? Anyone else have this issue?
With the Ryzen 9 7950X3D AMD should have either just made both CCDs have 3D Vcache or do what intel did for their big little architecture, using what they call thread director built into the CPU itself to assist the OS scheduler in what cores to use for what. Love intel or hate them that was one really smart and innovative thing they managed to do for managing their P/E Cores.
That required reworking the windows scheduler in win11 which in turn hurt Ryzen performance since Microsoft didn't bother to optimize for AMD CPUs. Also, it's questionable whether that would actually be useful for AMD since every core is a performance core.
there's another wrinkle, you can use the windows game bar to set as a game to fix the balanced driver controlled performance in games not automatically detected, as you know it pretty much functions entirely using the game bar to operate so shouldn't be a surprise.
I don't know if you're on the latest AGESA, 1.2.0.2, scheduling just seems to work a lot better, more so in fact, setting core affinities isn't that necessary anymore, maybe in a few cases at most.
Now also throw in a Linux vs Windows test with these same variables. I really am curious how the 7950X3D does vs the 9950X on linux, vs windows. With these same settings being worked on.
That’s the reason why I just stick to Intel. I want just use it out of the box without worrying that the driver don’t park the cores or some game is not optimized
@@nipa5961 Yeah i know i was refering basically to the power profile that it installs "bitsum highest performance" compared to the "balanced" and "high performance" that come with windows by default
It's always great to see more than one person testing the same thing. I'm seriously considering getting a 12 or 16 core Ryzen, so this video really helps!
@@punishthemeatpocket you use lasso or turn off one ccd? You can only use 6 cores without hitting the penalties of using both ccds. Yeah.. getting a 7700x for $225 would be better for gaming. 100%.
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Thanks for tuning in yall. We got a mixed bag incoming in the next couple of weeks - some X870 and some new Intel Core Ultra Z890 Stuff too.
Though I want to make some used budget builds, what is the best price range you guys want to see right now?
Also you can grab process lasso here if you have a multi CCD ryzen chip bitsum.com/download-process-lasso/
Starting to get some Holliday Pc's put together. A USD 700.00 mostly used parts pc that could out perform PS5 pro specs would be some sweet content.
Hi mate if possible any chance you could make a tutorial for using process lasso. I want to use it with my 5600x but not sure what options I need to change
@@786kk1 Don't worry about it for 5600X. All the cores are on the one CCD for that CPU so it isn't worth the effort.
Can you do video on that lasso thing as well so I can show how it work for a 7800x3d
Thanks for the mention Brian (don't know if it's Bryan or Brian, sorry). I do have to state though that the next dual CCD X3D chips will have 3d cache on both CCDS, making them awesome gaming monsters!
Ah no worries man. I have seen some of your results in the past and it's glad to see you report the truth. As for the next dual ccd chips that would be good. The 7950x3d was a weird one, and even the 9950x with its inferior superior bin complex lol.
Also it's bryan with a y too.
@@techyescity Also glad to have more people just showing how things are. Big Hug
Has it been confirmed 9000x3d will have cache on both? I thought it was just potentially leaked
I bought Windows 11 Pro to see if this is true and save people the time of trying it, but good video I liked how you explained the topic thanks
Where did you get it and what are your preliminary observations?
I got it at BNH Software and well I've had it for a short while now and I hope that this weekend I'll have time to get my preliminary observations out, I owe them to you for now
Some system really should be put in place to make sure it's always highest performance, what a joke.. you'd think we were in early stages of the PC
We are. Future PCs are gonna be off the chain!!! lol. I get what you mean. They should know better.
This is why people stay away from eCore / multi-CCD designs, for gaming at least. Too much messing around and too much that might go wrong.
our technology has been capped for a very long time, they have technology hundreds of years into the future but they just don’t want to release it, it makes companies more money by milking the old technology for decades. Billionaires will be made, new wealth families will appear, and humanity won’t advance at all.
How about I tell test Intel
PLEASE.. keep covering x3d's your videos help me so much
In the bios you can set the CPU to "prefer driver" and it should more consistently choose the 3D vcache core for games and fix the latency issue, if people don't want to buy process lasso, even though it's amazing.
Can you detail which line it is in the BIOS ?
@@greelow A video called "AMD Core-Parking problems FIXED once and for all!" from JayzTwoCents on youtube explains it pretty well, it depends on your BIOS but it should be somewhere in advanced\AMD CBS\SMU Common Options\ then it's the top option called "CPPC Dynamic Preferred Cores" you can set it to "prefer driver" ..it only works if you have the AMD Chipset motherboard driver properly installed
Also only works on the 7900x3d and 7900x3d too. Em
This shouldn't have any effect with single ccd cpus like the 7800/98003dx right?
@@WiseOldDudee Nope, it's for the dual CCD ones because windows and game bar don't accurately use the vcache cores when a game is launched.
You should have also checked out the hidden-by-default "Ultimate Performance" power profile in Windows 10.
No different in game performance.
Some slight DPC improvements though.
I have checked that one out in the past. It sets your cpu to 100 percent with no idle at all
@@techyescity So we shouldn't use it, right?
I always enjoy your no nonsense approach to your videos. You can get a tad too technical for my brain sometimes but i realise why you have to do it. Please keep the great vids coming.
Heya Bryan, been on Win10 for couple years now, refreshed my Win10 install when i got my 7800x3d, used your coupon code to get extra -30% off, will stay on Win10 as long as possible, did your tuning guides also, wont consider trying anything new at this point. Much love and keep up the good job.
I'm a 7800x3d user and I got dual boot setup one win11 and one win 10. You should jump the ship to win11 as your license key already supports the free upgrade. No reason to stay on w10 unless you want cracked games that might not work on w11.
Already did exactly what you' re recommending for my 7950X3D ; Win10, CPPC to "drivers", Balanced Power plan and Process Lasso !
No real issue with losing some performance in gaming, at 1440p Ultrawide I'm always GPU bound (7900XTX), don't play any FPS
Dude this is awesome stuff man. nice video.
Great testing and showcase but I also have so many questions as I am not seeing the same results here plus when turning off the 2nd ccd.
my 7950x3d does not lose to a 7800x3d by the amounts here with process lasso. When using Lasso, was Freq CCD forced used in the bios for driver preferred? so everything is running on Freq CCD for background tasks and then only use the x3d ccd for games via Lasso. Also your right regarding lasso locks the option to change in some games, most likely due to anti cheat build into games. Sometimes have to use the custom commands in steam to force x3d cores (old school) or run the launch application with the required changes in lasso so it sticks when you load the game.
Ultimate Performance plan is used on my end.
A have tested quite a few games even turning off the CCD2 and just running one CCD does not give me extra frames.. normally slightly worse due to backround tasks now forced back to x3d ccd. The 7950x3d should also be running higher clocks as the 7800x3d is locked to 5050mhz by default unless bclk OC is used.
Was the 7950x3d also boosting ok to 5200-5250mhz via x3d ccd?
AMD always says to use the "balanced" power profile as "high performance" breaks the core parking on dual CCD CPU's.
Strange because AMD said you should use high performance power plan when undervolting CPU and GPU or when using ryzen master.
I've been getting power issues on balanced power plan with my undervolted 6700xt and 3600. All of it stopped when I click high performance ryzen plan.
Kinda crazy
@@The_One_Eyed_Rouge I have an Overclocked (undervolted -30mv, PBO +200 enabled with temp cap at 75C) 7950X3D and I always have it on balanced and hits 5.9ghz, no issues. I also use mostly Linux as main OS too, not sure if that makes any difference.
@@The_One_Eyed_Rouge Im overclocked/undervolted cpu and gpu both AMD. i run balanced flawlessly with 7800x3d.
@@The_One_Eyed_RougeI am sort of with you on undervolt and throttling with w10 power plans. My ryzen BSOD'd on "power saver" while undervolted only -28. Stable on -25 and balanced. Not gonna try power saver again
@@The_One_Eyed_Rougekey words "dual ccd"
You do not have a dual ccd cpu
My system is the Asus Rog Crosshair x670e Hero, 79503X3D, and 4080 Super. I have BIOS set to Driver, Windows 11 on High Performance, Ram at 3000 MCLK/UCLK3000/2033FCLK. I will say my PC has been running rock solid streaming live for 96+ hours (without a shutdown) plus gaming (240fps Lowest Resolution) at night within those hours.
To make it more complicated The balanced profile also has a little slider which goes from power save to high performance.
7950x "needs" balanced mode, as the gamemode+mixedreality profiles (with CPMinCores and CPConcurrency overrides) that it installs are only for this scheme and 2 related overlays (which match slider positions to the left and right). So if you wanna rely on automatic behavior - that is 3d cache service relying on game bar to prioritize CCD0 + CCD1 parking via game mode profiles - then yea it will only work as intended under balanced scheme. This approach while usually working has its own barrel of worms to deal with as well.
Thank goodness this will be put to rest with 9000 x3d line.
I've been preaching your Windows 10 gospel whenever I can.
Waiting on the testing once more for Windows 11 24H2 official release.
its out lol its been almost 29 hours since release
@@Imagine-88 Not for everyone, it releases in waves.
windows 10 22h2 is still the best os for gaming
2:35 Is that what an RTX 4090 looks like when living in Australia 🇦🇺😅😂🤣😂🤣
Fabio at AGp is such a bamf. Love that channel.
Great video very informative
I want to ask, is there any data on KVM virtualization and how's the performance when only one CCD is given to the VM?
Hello, I’d like to ask about two more things. First, when using Process Lasso with the 7950X3D, does the Power Plan setting not matter, and do both plans work similarly?
And my second question is, in the method with Process Lasso, do you have Cache/Frequency/Driver Preference set in the BIOS, or is it just on Auto?
The scheduler works best for ryzen with banalnced. That´s what AMD says. Lasso is another thing cause you can tell the processes which cores to use.
If I´m nit that wrong the parking mode is deactivated in high perf. Thats why it sometimes is slower witht he Ryzens cause every core is acitve and will be used from anything. While in balanced especially in games that are recognized, the cache cores will be focused.
That´s what i understood so far. But i use my 9750X3D with Lasso anyway. It´s just smooth when you set all but games on the non cache cores and just the game gets the cache. It´s like a whole CPU just for the game, no matter whats running in the background :) Unfortunately a hand full of games doesn´t care thanks to the anti cheat tampers xD
9750X3D!?
cpu sets work for me for anti cheat games, with 3d cache service disabled in Windows Services, and in bios, I've set preferred core to cache.
At some point i had preferred core set to frequency, but anti cheat games started complaining when trying to set cpu sets.
@@sammasic5849 Dang I need one too!
@@manmansgotmans lol same but I know what he meant.
When you apply the profile to Intel the difference is less than 1% and subjective.The Windows settings are not worth mentioning.
How does this translate across to the 5700/5800X3D CPUs as well?
Similar sort of results, should we have these cpus in High Performance or balanced for best general performance across multiple game titles etc?
I would like to know also, Currently running 5700x3d + RX 7900 GRE
Can't wait to watch this one, cheers!
Hello there Mr TYC..ive been following your channel for a couple yrs now love the content,but I have a problem.I'm running a 5900x on a x470 motherboard with 32gigs@3200mh ram and a 4070 super asus strix.I pretty much play Escape from Tarkov,but play Call of duty with a long time friend,and have no issues playing COD,but i prefer to play ESCAPE FROM TARKOV IN pve mode,and i barely brake 60 fps..if i run a scav fps is just fine normally way over 100 fps,but in pve mode on my pmc it runs on my pc and not the game servers,and i'm having issues,can you help me?
Didn't AMD recommend balanced for all x3d cpus??? Also, if you follow the original post about making sure the x3d is using the correct cores and parking them. Ive had my 7950x3d and never had issues with the gaming using the 3d cores. All people having problems is due to user error
Custom power plans.
Theyy reduce latency hugely (or tweaking it yourself, mostly some latency settings)
can u share one?
Please do share!
Windows 11 Pro for Workstations has an Extreme setting (it says its for powerful pc's). It doesn't seem to do much except keep the cpu on it's highest speed with no 'speedstep' downclocking. You can add the power plan to any Win 11 install with a script though if you enjoy wasting electricity.
Fabio @ AncientGamplays is a great TH-camr and pc game, cpu and GPU driver tester and I’ve been watching his channel for a while now ….. about 1.5years and love his content. He’s currently battling bushfires across Portugal nearby and just moved to a new home to avoid the games etc.
Aaahhhhh that's me!!!!!! Love you Brian!!!!!
Brian, you didn't really explain why the latency is higher on Windows for 2-CCD CPU's, it is because of CCD-hopping, Windows its threadscheduler first scheduling some task on 1 CCD and then the other. Due to that the data is not in the cache and you have to wait for the fetching of the data.
would love to know at what speed ddr4 / ddr5 DUAL chan beats ddr4 QUAD chan for the Xeon cpu's on X99 platform.. Also WIndows 11's multi thread update, how does that fair for the old x79's these days? or even OS's that arn't supposed to run it 3/4th 6/7th etc.. ?? :)
Does the AMD Ryzen 5000 series have performance results similar when using Windows Power Profiles for comparison?
How much of difference do these profiles make on SIGNIFICANTLY OLDER hardware? I am running a Xeon E5-2697v2 with 32gb ddr3 and a sata ssd. Newest component is rx 600 8gb gpu. I am in no position to upgrade even a super budget friendly upgrade is out of reach for me so any extra bit I can squeeze out of my ancient rig is worth it.
Best power plan for 7800x3d? Balanced? High performance or ultimate performance?
I really wish we could get a 12 core monolithic die. I reencode a lot of stuff, but also game a lot and don't feel like having two separate systems for that. Plus there are certain emulation software that actually prefer having a whole bunch of cores to horde to themselves. 8 core processor on RPCS3 while you are trying to manage other applications can result in noticeable performance loss. Single CCD 12 core would be the ideal mid ground. But I feel like we are never gonna get that from AMD.
Or even 10 cores per CCD hopefully next generation (11000x3d)
I think the 6 core and 8 core ryzen cpus are also dual ccds with cores disabled and that has been the norm since ryzen 1000 so what difference would the performance mode or balanced mode will show to those low core count ryzen cpus ?
Yes man 👌
Will this work on a little bit older chips Like the 5950x?
So.
7800x3d/9800x3d=1 CCD so just High performance power plan is fine.Don't even need Game mode "ON" either then.Just works.
7950/9950X=2 CCD so its best to have it on balanced (or lasso) and Game mode must be on "ON"
Multi CCD cpu's sound like a hassle.
Does this apply to Z1 extreme devices like Legion Go/ROG Ally?? I set to highest settings and go usually
I got a 5800x3d. Should I use balanced or high performance?
if you change the affinity of whatever launcher youre using for games like gears 5 to the ccd u want to use, the game will adopt that affinity set
for example Rust doesnt let you change affinities so if you set steam to 0-7, rust will then open with 0-7
lol! you really ran it without the m.2 screw?! awesome mate! lol!
Brian, does this apply to my 5800X3D CPU?
No it's only for multi CCD ryzen chips. Single CCD is set and forget with your tuned bios settings.
@@techyescity ahhh coz I have this combo at the moment RX 6800 with 5800X3D Dual Channel 32GB 3600Mhz DDR4
The best thing I did for my Ryzen 9 5900x for gaming was to run Windows 11 on a Qemu KVM virtual machine under Linux with GPU passthrough. I passed over 12 threads. It outperforms using all 24 threads in Windows natively. I wonder how well that would do with a Ryzen 9 7950x or 9950x?
Would there be any difference in profiles with a 5900X on X570?
is win 10 22h2 better for performance in gaming than win 11 24h2 for x3d chips?
ive a 5700X, and ive been told by AMD support to put the power mode on BALANCED for the most performance out of my CPU.
Seems like that’s advised for older Zen CPU like 2 and 3
just use high perf
when you install chipset drivers you should be able to choose two more power profiles AMD Ryzen Power Plan "balance & high" in addition to the normal windows power "balance&high" profile.. any difference?
Like,do they show up in the windows settings near the other power plans?
Should I use project lasso with my 7800x3d?
No.
Been waiting for this for quite a while, because i got 7950x3D after dissapointing zen 5 launch and even if set properly and tuned i couldn't atleast match basic 7800x3D results, and i suspected that it might be because even though second ccd is disabled on 7950x3D, it still creates some latency and brings performance down, maximum i could achieve with 7950x3D CCD0 enabled only and tuned in FAR CRY 6 was 276fps compared to your 281fps result of 7800x3D. However results are not repeatable, far cry doens't seem like trusty benchmark. However sad fact is fact 7950x3D cost me only slight more than 7800x3D, but that latency thingy because of two different ccd's even if one is disabled still causes some issues
Did you completely turn off the second CCD in your mobo settings, or did you only use Lasso?
What about 5700x3d? Which should I use?
Process lassoo is good. On all OS's.affinity is inherited from parent process to child process so if you stick use to first CCD for the steam executable. Should do a good job across board. And can then hand tune for specific binaries.Other launchers are obviously available, but same rule should work.
so do i have balanced on or high perf on 7800x3d 24h2
how about ultimate performance power plan and process lasso the games to run on ccd0.....and thanks for not giving the cliche recommendations "it depends"
I'm actually curious about this one and whether it affects CPU performance while overclocking and undervolting as well.
we found that even with one CCD you can get better performace by sentting cpu affinity as well!
Can you test this on am4. I wanna see if this same trend occurs in earlier CPUs.
Well i have a ryzen 7 5800x and rtx 4070 super, and well setting it to balanced made my games feel smoother in my opinion. I did not put an fps counter, because im testing the feel of the games.
So would you recommend a 7800x3d run high performance?
Yes. He also explained why.
the Mannix profiles on OCN are much better then windows stock profiles, it improves performance, thermals and clocks
How much tho?
3:22 This is interesting - obviously there's only so much one can do to make tests like this fair and you've clearly done everything in your power for that to be so, but we can see in these two scenes that they're not *perfectly* equal - indeed it appears that there is more going on in the scene for the "balanced" gameplay, meaning the difference in performance is possibly even higher than noted.
This of course is making some reasonable assumptions about things like how the engine handles object culling and such, but I think that given there's a few degrees(c) of difference between the GPUs there that too points to more work being done on the GPU in scene 2.
4:17 Again we can see a small discrepancy in the power consumption and utilisation of both CPU and GPU in effectively the same scene: There definitely appears to be something of note here; When operating on balanced it appears that more work is being done on the GPU than the CPU, which might speak to how that particular game's render pipeline was designed? I'm speculating here!
Boy, am I glad I chose the single CCD SKU, as this looks like the kind of minor headache that would drive me bonkers!
between all the numerous power settings you can tweak how about the ultimate performance?
I like your ending statement, just enjoy the game. I'm actually confused about what the gaming difference is, between 200 FPS and 189 FPS? To carry this further, what's the difference between 220 FPS and say 75? I'm more concerned with the graphic's quality and visuals, (forget RT/if I can see reflections on water etc.ok) AMD is just as good.
I tried process lasso and balders gate 3 hated it. Would inmediately crash at start. Has that been fixed?
Idk, but my 7900x3d work just like it supposed to. All 8 3d cores full on in games with just little bumps in processes on other ccd.
I actually game @ 4K 120 on a lot of titles with power saver profile on and the CPU (7800X3D) rarely gets near 60C and performance is still amazing.
from zen3 amd were saying no need for the additional ryzen power profiles. happened to be looking this up after Win10iotLTSC install
I can see why balanced is recommended for multi CCD processors, but I do not see why people recommend against high performance on single CCD processors. On my 5800x3d when I choose the ultimate performance power plan, my sensitivity in games feels faster giving me more snappiness on my system. I have switched between the balanced and ultimate performance plan multiple times and it is not placebo. I can immediately tell my cursor feels different. The only argument I can see is for potential power savings and temps. But if you have a good cooler, these issues aren’t so problematic
Yeah no, for us like I have a 5600X - the High Performance profile is the only way to go.
I’ve noticed the same on my 7800X3D… It feels vastly different, although I am currently on Balanced since I just reformatted and installed 24H2 (have yet to compare it on 24H2).
@@pred1993 Shouldnt feel any difference on 7800x3d. iv tested in r23. no difference. Same in gaming. Use balanced for lower temps.
@@Lockwood360 Temps will be affected but again if you have a good cooler on a single CCD processor, it shouldn’t be an issue. Especially if you undervolt your CPU. The temp increase should be more noticeable in Casual browsing / idle compared to gaming though. In terms of performance, I am talking about input latency which quite frankly, is a very sensitive and controversial topic. To the average gamer that just wants to chill and have a good time, balanced is preferable. However when it comes to competitive gaming and or minimizing latency, balanced makes my input latency feel different. Note that I am not talking about performance metrics and FPS. I’m referring to overall system responsiveness, particularly in FPS titles (Overwatch in my case).
ultimate is shit as compared to balanced on ryzen 5000
Sorry, what did you test? I don´t understand those values. rtx 4090 with 150W ? It was 60fps cap on 1080p or what??
Awesome video thanks. I have a 9950x and this doesn't seem to work for Warzone. I set core affinity to CCD0 but it stays fixed at 0-31. Did you manage to get this working for WZ? Anyone else have this issue?
can process lasso boost performance on the 13900K?
This advice is good for Threadripper owners, too.
Nice video
Would love to see you test the audio on the asrock x870e taichi in a video
Can you try this with Windows 11 24h2?
10-7-2024 here. Still waiting on some GD900 AND/or SNOWMAN Tech♥ ..."someone" said, years ago, something was breewing (cold brew now i guess) ;-P
With the Ryzen 9 7950X3D AMD should have either just made both CCDs have 3D Vcache or do what intel did for their big little architecture, using what they call thread director built into the CPU itself to assist the OS scheduler in what cores to use for what. Love intel or hate them that was one really smart and innovative thing they managed to do for managing their P/E Cores.
That required reworking the windows scheduler in win11 which in turn hurt Ryzen performance since Microsoft didn't bother to optimize for AMD CPUs. Also, it's questionable whether that would actually be useful for AMD since every core is a performance core.
Can you show 1% FPS because sometimes 1% is higher while 0.1% is lower.
the MMO New World doesn't let you set CCD affinities either, wonder if theres any funky workarounds.
so 8 cores x3d is the top chip still?
how is 5700x with 24h2? old versions low performance 1440p .. . 15 - 20 fps less than win 10 :/ stay 10?
there's another wrinkle, you can use the windows game bar to set as a game to fix the balanced driver controlled performance in games not automatically detected, as you know it pretty much functions entirely using the game bar to operate so shouldn't be a surprise.
I don't know if you're on the latest AGESA, 1.2.0.2, scheduling just seems to work a lot better, more so in fact, setting core affinities isn't that necessary anymore, maybe in a few cases at most.
Now also throw in a Linux vs Windows test with these same variables.
I really am curious how the 7950X3D does vs the 9950X on linux, vs windows. With these same settings being worked on.
please do make gaming on linux videos :) ppl really moving towards linux now a days
what about ultimate performance?
theres a ultimate performance mode and w11 have a performance setup too, w11 in general its a inconsistent mess
Please do a comprehensive PC fan test. Specifically, if red fans really spin faster.
That’s the reason why I just stick to Intel. I want just use it out of the box without worrying that the driver don’t park the cores or some game is not optimized
dude, you have the blueest eyes ever
I've been seeing people saying the 9000 series only works under Windows 11 but my 9900X works just fine in 10 🤷♂
Does Process Lasso works well also for r5 7600 or its pointless?
7600 has only one CCD.
@@nipa5961 Yeah i know i was refering basically to the power profile that it installs "bitsum highest performance" compared to the "balanced" and "high performance" that come with windows by default
ive found that setting the preferred cores to driver instead of auto in the bios, gives the best performance.
It's always great to see more than one person testing the same thing. I'm seriously considering getting a 12 or 16 core Ryzen, so this video really helps!
My 7900x ran like complete shyte in msfs. I upgraded to a 7950x3d with its extra 3d cache and I'm seeing 30% more frames at 4k with much less stutter.
7900x is the worst gaming CPU for the price. Horribly is many ways...one of which you experienced.
@christophermullins7163 Depends on the price. I got mine for 225$. No stutter or issues on my end. Edit: 7900x
@@punishthemeatpocket you use lasso or turn off one ccd? You can only use 6 cores without hitting the penalties of using both ccds. Yeah.. getting a 7700x for $225 would be better for gaming. 100%.
System reserved set. On 7950x3d reserve cores 0-15 an then set all your tasks to 16-31