I'd rather have a stable CPU and a valid warranty than a 5% boost to performance any day. It was a different story back in the day when a Celeron 300 boosted to 450MHz and you got a 50% overclock that matched a more expensive CPU (minux the cache).
over the time, everybody does what you said, i prefer stability, a painless experience, but i used to play with values, push limits, but those times are over, i dont have time and patience for that
The Celeron 300A was actually (a lot of times) faster than the Pentium 2, because, unlike the Pentium 2 (which did have more cache, 512KB, but it was external - separate SRAM ICs outside of the die/core, on the Slot 1 PCB), the Celeron 300A had 128 KB of much faster on-die cache. So, effectively, when overclocked to 450MHz, it was faster than the Pentium 2. Good times, good times...
You are using the built in benchmark that is why. Others use a repeatable run in an area that is much more taxing and then you see a larger difference. This holds true for a lot of the game. The built in benchmark is not a very good indicator of total performance.
I have my 9800X3D at -30 all core stable and I'm running with lower temps and power consumption. No need for higher frequencies since I'm already maxing out my GPU.
@RangaAce That's due to your GPU more then likely having bad temps or inadequate power. Check your GPU thermal paste and check your power supply and or connections to the power supply and motherboard Also i hope you didn't pair a 9800x3d with a 3070
@@forog1 Why? I paired a 7800x3D with my old 2080, because I already plan to upgrade to 5080 5070 ti or 8800xt. Or even Battlemage, should it unexpectedly compete and be viable.
@@forog1 Mine does -25 5.4Ghz on what equals to stock voltage. I think silicon quality varies a lot. I have Asrock Hdv and after tuning the ram it does 8000Mhz on a cheap motherboard. It also does 5.5Ghz but that makes the infinity clocks run outside optimimum speed ranges/dividers unfortunately. If you get a good cpu like mine you can oc a ton without it throttling. And the cpu runs extremely cool, Amd have made a massive effort to get the heat out of the chip this time around.
@@impuls60 Mine also does CO -25 all cores with a +200mhz boost, and 1x scalar. I am getting a score of 23750 in cinebench r23 multi at 85-89 temps. All of this with a cheap Gigabye B650 X AX that I bought for $140 back when I got my 7800x3d. But when I tried 5.45 all-core OC with 1.225v on the vcore, I throttled at 95c in cinebench almost instantly. My 7800x3d never even reached 70c with this same cooler, so my 9800x3d definitely runs A LOT hotter.
@@impuls60 good to know. I'm just waiting on the 9950x3d hopes it will be just as amazing at 9800x3d. Hope to God it would be 29800x3ds's is 1 package lol only can hope
Mine does 5.4Ghz on 1.2V and it ripps. My brother have 5800x3d and that feels 2 gens behind in Pubg atleast. 6400Mhz cl30 you start to get rid of the infinity bottleneck latency wise. I get 370w average fps in Pubg with 200-280 in 1% lows. Ive had 10700k, 12700k, 14900k, 7800x3d, 9800x3d and buildt 2 systems with 5800x3d for others. All systems ended up maxed out overclocked. The 9800x3d overclocked and 140w power budget is the only cpu capabable of running Pubg well without stutters. After 6 years of trying to run that game flawless I'm now happy.
Appreciate you, Bryan for your testing methodology. The silicon lottery could also play a factor. Maybe your 7800x3d is a golden sample, or maybe the 9800x3d is an oc dud. It's still the best 2 CPUs for gaming.
In my own testing 9800x3d is about 15-20% higher 1%lows in Pubg over my meh 7800x3d. -5 on 7800x3d and -25 9800x3d (-25 equals 0.1V equals 200Mhz for free)In games that uses all threads and wattage go through the roof the 9800x3d is a massive step forward in performance.
Hang on a second at 12:13 you have cinebench sccores, how in the world is the 9800XD with X3D Turbo enabled score very slightly below stock or the oc model? Thats not even remotely possible since X3D disables SMT which has a big impact on cinebench scores.. Even my system 9800x3d / 4090 gets close to 24k with +200mhz. Then when i use X3D Boost on motherboard, i lose a decent chunk of points there. (I am on the X670E Gigabyte Masters)
With my testing. I found that Memory tuning will give me more performance than overclocking. Although I was able to get my 9800x3d to 5.425ghz at -25. Stays nice and cool. Didn't hit the silicon lottery as I cannot get 6400mhz at a 1:1 ratio like I did with my 7800x3d.
i love how the audio of the sponsor is not audible now about criticism, people do exxagerate when you make mistakes with names, people seems to be triggered by that those numbers on this video, 7800x3d is great too
Good stuff Bryan. Honestly AMD has these parts and their boost algorithm pretty much maxxed out for gaming. I'm still glad to see the advances in X3D stacking though since the chips can run cooler. As others have noted, where PBO and overclocking seems to have the biggest benefit is where the 9800X3D is power limited in all-core productivity. Apps like Cinema4D, 7Zip, v-ray really stretch their legs with an undervolt and unlocked power.
i advised a friend of mine almost 2 years to wait before upgrading his 6700/1060 pc knowing we simrace and he wants triple screens . he decided he didn't want to wait anymore just before the 9800x3d launch . i advised him get a 7800x3d and 4080super . seeing the benchmarks and knowing he games with 4k resolution . i'm glad he decided to not wait longer . knowing the new assetto game is coming in januari i'm still trying to convince him to go ultrawide vs triple screen . better to have 100fps or more in simracing vs having triple screen but only getting 60fps .
it's always worth tuning to some extent, there is a lot of people saying they would rather have reliability but as soon as you use the pre baked expo or xmp ram settings your over stock any so it's always worth tuning to find lower voltages mainly. look as the soc voltage in the video of 1.25v that's pretty high for zen 5 and probably doesn't need to be above 1.05v for that ram speed.
Brian, can you experiment with Curve Shaper? From what I know, Cure Optimiser changes the entire voltage range while Shaper can be tuned for specific voltage points?
yep. Depending on which workload you type want to boost, you can curve shape the other frequencies. For example, I'm playing around with having Curve Optimizer -20, then Low and mid frequencies at -5, but high and max frequencies I have like +10 ( except for high temp is +0 ) I'm just too lazy to go and benchmark every thing to compare but I tell myself I'm squeezing the most out of my gaming performance lol. I'm maxing at 5.35Ghz comfortably tho
Hi Bryan/Brian lol. Do you have a link for any vids on OCing DDR5 on asrock Taichis please, you have so many vids I wouldn't know where to start looking haha. Ty for the vid by the way, think I'll stick with my 7 7800x3D. P.S DDR5 I have is 6400.
Overclocking? Maybe if you got a good cooler. But I prefer undervolting with the curveoptimizer and now also curveshaper. Doing that I reduced the powerusage by 20% (-30W of 145W) under synthetic load while gaining 3% performance with 23465 points in CBR23 (my base was ~22800). The temps also got 10-15°C lower. I was able to use -20 on the optimizer and -10 on the shaper on high and max clocks. Other then that I didn't touch anything.
This is for context not a shameless plug. When I put my 7800X 3D up against my 9800X 3D in Cyberpunk using the in game benchmark. Just like you. 1080p using Low settings with a 7900 XTX Nitro+. 311 for 7800X 3D.....317 for the 9800 X 3D. I posted this around 6 days ago.
So basically a nothing burger, from what I can tell, my 9800x3d is actually pretty poor silicon too, so my 7800x3d could be a better bin, hence the slight change.
More of these CPU’s need to go on sale and honestly these 3rd Party resellers like EBay and Mercari should place a restriction of not being able to sell a product that’s only been released recently. Say nothing newer than 3 months. This would thwart a ton of scalpers due to them not being able to capitalize right away and allowing manufacturers to get products out to the consumers.
! ATTENTION ! This method of overclocking isn't the way to overclock the 9800x3D optimally. Set CPU multiplier to 54x, CPU vcore to 1.225, keeping UCLK=MEMCLK (but setting mem mhz from 2000 to 2067) gives a solid under-volted overclock, better temps, better performance. Upping your PBO Scalar is not ideal as it increases voltage, which increases heat. +200 with pbo -20 and scalar 1x is fine.
6400 on ram, 2133 infinity UCLK=MEMCLK is even better. Golden samples: 2200 infinity and ram 6600 trumps all. Mine got close but just couldnt do it stable.
@@lechf not really sure what you mean by "redundant". This is undervolting, then multiplying and limiting, means you can run @ 5400mhz constantly. Performance and temp wise it's way better.
That's what I figured. This 9xxx series is AMD's 13th gen, it seems: boost the power, change just a little bit and there you go. Not sure what to think of that.
In Ryzen 7 9800X3D any kind of latency issue compared to its previous gen? Please make a video about it.... like 10th gen to 12th gen processor latency video you made before. Thanks man.
Offcourse I want to overclock 9800X3D. A jist order 2 day ago termal grizzly delid tool and I will put it liquid metal under the cpu lid. The cooler will be Arctic liquid freezer III 360. I want max overclock of this CPU! 😁
It's tough, I love traditional OC. But I only need a single CCD. Getting a single CCD CPU without 3D cache and OC it turns out slower than just getting a 3D part. My previous 5950X was great fun to OC and dial in. Those days are gone.
I do have th 9800x3d and i also found that the good old tried +200 boost 10x scalar just doesn't do anything in terms of performance and really pushes temps as high as 93c. And power draw increases to an insane 170w. With respect to undervolting the CPU, I found that an aggressive undervolt performed worse than a mild undervolt. The CPU behaveds totally differently from the 7800x3d. My take away is that the 7800x3d OCed is actually superior. But with future BIOS updates and game optimizations I'm sure the 9800x3d will perform better.
I'm struggling to decide on a new motherboard for my 9800x3d. Now that I'm aware OC is not something I require, it's made my selection worse, lol. I want nice aesthetics from the board also. The new system is going into Antec Flux Pro, 32gb GSkill Z5 Royal, Lian Li Hydroshift cooler, and will pair with an RTX 5080 when released. It's purely a gaming system, nothing more, but picking the right motherboard is proving to be excruciatingly painful. Black build not white.
I have been buying new ASRock boards for allot of new parts builds for about the last 5 years, never have had any problems. My main gaming rig is also the Antec Flux Pro. The glass panels have a fairly dark smoke so to have a great looking mobo is ok but you will not see it clearly. Steel Legend has always been my go to. Bryan put out a review on boards last month, check it out.
I like X670E-F/B650E-F/B650E-E. All under $300 and can often be found for around $200 or less. I have X670E-F, and it's decent. Running 6400c28 1:1 with GDM disabled.
I want to see a budget roundup of what the 8000 series can comfortably hit at 1:1 on stock/budget cooling and an A620M or budget B650 since it has a better node (4nm monolithic) I/O and memory controller. 8400F is now around $90 on AliXP and 8600G is retailing $20 under the 7600. They have less cache, but this could be overcome overall, or at least by relative value, if they easily take 6800/3400/2266 and the benchmarks bear fruit.
it can happen that your manual overclock is not good :D just sayin' . Its like memory, you can have higher memory speed, but at some point it may be hitting your overall performance because, error correction that you didn't notice or just hitting the power envelope. How was that overclocking done? ECLK for example can also be a solution... depends on so many variables ... than the PBO, CO and Turbo Boost norm ...
Yes I use windows 10, though for the those results just simply ask others to match them, as they 7800x3d results im getting are much better than others in Cyberpunk.
I feel for you Brian. The amount of rage bait bombing feels amplified lately. It's to the point where I am avoiding commenting or participating. I just can't sort through the mess it causes.
I have been waiting for this one, I had a feeling you were putting in allot of time on this CPU. Will be looking forward to the underclocking episode also. You always manage to find the sweet spot. Relax and enjoy what you are doing, it makes a difference to quite a few viewers.
I experience stability issue when I switch from 7500F to 9800x3D after updating Bios on my Asrock B650m. After I switch to MSI X670 & then problem solved. It could be just the VRM or Bios Update... Also, I found no FPS gain on RX 580 RX 6700 RTX 3050 until I switch to 4070 Super on 1080k
yeah that differs by generation, on the 9800x3d the boost algorithm has a vid limit of around 1.35 V, it will never request more on older parts pbo and the scalar was always somewhat broken
8-cores is ideal for using the x3d cpus for gaming anyway so no point waiting for the 9950X3D when the 9800X3D is the same performance. The only thing you'll gain with the 9950X3D is worse latency and losing money
CP2077 shows a lot of flat results if you use the canned benchmark, but its a pain in the butt to run custom saves and try and keep track of everything so I don't blame you.
something is wrong.. My 9800x3d goes any CB at 5.42GHz, using: pbo +200, scalar x2, co -25 Even in prime95 small fft goes around 5.25m occt avx512 5.2.
Ur numbers are spot on, but the cpu you have is not the best at -15Pbo or loadline on that mb is very hot. Mine does -25 and it equals 0.1V!!! Its a massive difference. Intels cpu should be run at max 1.5V and brakes at 1.6V. Minus Pbo -25 is the same difference and I just wanted to put 0.1V in context. X3d have never been Bigger numbers are faster, its all about keeping average clocks high/not fluctuating. In Pubg running 370fps I found that an -25 with 200Pbo I needed an Riva fps lock to avoid downclocking, and that gives very good dipps. Its insanly smooth. The 1% lows is now a massive 200-280fps range. Lows are almost as fast as my previous Intel rigs average in Pubg. Pubg uses all the threads it can lay its hands on so its a good tester.. The 9800X3d only shines at a bigger power budget, not surprising since 5nm>4nm isnt a big difference in node shrinkage. 120-150w on water is really nice spot to aim for. The cpu runs cool and feels like it has a decent headroom for ocing, atleast with a good piece of silicon. I'm much more happy with my 9800x3d than my 7800x3d that could only do -5, so better silicon and a huge powerbudget makes for a massive fps uptick in esport gaming. The lows are just so much higher.
No offense to you, but, I never can or will understand the need to overclock a CPU that is already the TOP performer in its class for what it was intended for (gaming). Aside from voiding warranty, you producing more heat to push the chip to instability levels, and shortening its lifespan. For what, 100 to 200mhz more to net +15 fps that no one will ever notice? If a chip that gets overclocked is not significantly moving up the benchmark tables (4 spots or more from its stock configuration), overclocking a top performing chip is a waste of time (unless LN2 is involved). Undervolting to maintain performance is the best way to go than overclocking...
@@BonusCrook I'm sure it or any other can... I'm just not understanding why if it won't yield significant results! Like an extra 75-100 fps for the type of heat and voltage that's required. It's like, oh this chip is the best out right now... Now let's overclock it... Uh, it doesn't overclock well, and then they think too hard on their purchase. Never satisfied. The chip performs better than most anticipated! And Intel's flagship CPUs only made it more so... To each their own.
Honestly there is really no point in OCing this chip. Better tune those ram timings instead. For people with a 6000MT CL30 kit, checkout Buildzoid's video about easy timings on hynix ram from about a year ago, those are a good starting point.
I think its time for some new games, that utilize more CPU usage for benchmarks - Although they dont have cookie cutter benchmarks, try Space Marine 2 and Hell Divers.
Can you yes and its unlikely to hurt the cpu although you can never rule it out with any cpu. But in this case why bother this cpu is a beast at stock settings with lows higher then intel's highs in some cases. As for the name calling seriously some people act like children and where the data is concerned this is a new cpu. GN already found out that things that are supposedly on in the bios are infact not depending on which motherboard your using. This well get ironed out quickly enough and not remotely suppressing as it happens with most major launches.
he mentioned it before, it performs better then w11 because its more reliable. It doesn't have any weird updates that makes ryzen or intel perform better.
That's why I skipped the 7800X3D because it was too neutered and locked for my personal taste and I personally found it to be weak, but the 9800X3D solved all those issues.
love how i get the same and even sligghtly better FPS in Cyberpunk on Ultra with 14900K than 9800x3d on Low settings, its also the same situation with Starfield and other CPU intensive games. This proves how dogshit AMD really is! Its not your fault the 9800x3d actually has about 12ns worse memory latency than 7800x3d and its natural to perform this bad....
you MUST test cyberpunk in a proper test scenario bro.... just yourself anywhere in town where a lot is going on. stop being lazy and show people the difference. using a ingame benchmark is missleading. your are causing harm to your credibility by ignorance. you know my name. you know how i write. maybe step back and stop thinking that i am trying to be mean. if something is flawed, of course you are not happy to accept it. come on man!!!! i am watching you for years now. you can do better.
For shits and giggles take a 4060 or 4060ti and run a back to back test on 3 games and see if the 3dcache helps mid range on 7000-9000 and if mid gpu range is worth any upgrade
I don't get it. 60FPS is enough. You want to get ultra smooth, ok get this 120. But what's the point of reaching 200+, 300+ numbers.... I want to see the difference in 2k or 4k with ULTRA settings and RT or even Path Tracing. This is what this CPU is meant for. And I want to see if I can get like boost from ~40 to ~60FPS and get a nice smooth experience from a choppy one. who cares if you have 290 or 310 FPS at 1080P in cyberpunk...
I'd rather have a stable CPU and a valid warranty than a 5% boost to performance any day. It was a different story back in the day when a Celeron 300 boosted to 450MHz and you got a 50% overclock that matched a more expensive CPU (minux the cache).
over the time, everybody does what you said, i prefer stability, a painless experience, but i used to play with values, push limits, but those times are over, i dont have time and patience for that
The Celeron 300A was actually (a lot of times) faster than the Pentium 2, because, unlike the Pentium 2 (which did have more cache, 512KB, but it was external - separate SRAM ICs outside of the die/core, on the Slot 1 PCB), the Celeron 300A had 128 KB of much faster on-die cache. So, effectively, when overclocked to 450MHz, it was faster than the Pentium 2. Good times, good times...
Curve Optimiser is fine as you are actually bringing temps down. Overclocking…..No chance.
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Yea like amd gonna know you broke cpu with pb9
You are using the built in benchmark that is why. Others use a repeatable run in an area that is much more taxing and then you see a larger difference. This holds true for a lot of the game. The built in benchmark is not a very good indicator of total performance.
If you can link me the area or show me a place where I should be testing that would be great!
@@techyescityi bet he didnt expect this answer from you , very mature. love it! just earned yourself a subscriber
@@techyescityDogtown is actually the most taxing area, the lowest fps you get are near The Moth bar where you nawet Alex.
I have my 9800X3D at -30 all core stable and I'm running with lower temps and power consumption. No need for higher frequencies since I'm already maxing out my GPU.
Yeah, I feel like all samples should be able to do -20. I have 3 samples doing 30 easy.
My 3070 has shut down 3 times from cpu pushing it sohard
@@RangaAce that shouldn't be happening, something is up
@RangaAce That's due to your GPU more then likely having bad temps or inadequate power.
Check your GPU thermal paste and check your power supply and or connections to the power supply and motherboard
Also i hope you didn't pair a 9800x3d with a 3070
@@forog1 Why? I paired a 7800x3D with my old 2080, because I already plan to upgrade to 5080 5070 ti or 8800xt. Or even Battlemage, should it unexpectedly compete and be viable.
Ignore those trolls.....your cred is good with us supporters.
oh lord, tribalism
Good. I'll leave it at stock values. Can even save a good sum of $$$ by skipping the overkill highend boards.
Well, I'd leave it at stock clocks but undervolt it with curve optimizer for better temps and it will boost itself if need be up to 5.2ghz
@@forog1 Mine does -25 5.4Ghz on what equals to stock voltage. I think silicon quality varies a lot. I have Asrock Hdv and after tuning the ram it does 8000Mhz on a cheap motherboard. It also does 5.5Ghz but that makes the infinity clocks run outside optimimum speed ranges/dividers unfortunately. If you get a good cpu like mine you can oc a ton without it throttling. And the cpu runs extremely cool, Amd have made a massive effort to get the heat out of the chip this time around.
@@impuls60 Mine also does CO -25 all cores with a +200mhz boost, and 1x scalar. I am getting a score of 23750 in cinebench r23 multi at 85-89 temps. All of this with a cheap Gigabye B650 X AX that I bought for $140 back when I got my 7800x3d. But when I tried 5.45 all-core OC with 1.225v on the vcore, I throttled at 95c in cinebench almost instantly. My 7800x3d never even reached 70c with this same cooler, so my 9800x3d definitely runs A LOT hotter.
@@impuls60 good to know. I'm just waiting on the 9950x3d hopes it will be just as amazing at 9800x3d. Hope to God it would be 29800x3ds's is 1 package lol only can hope
@@xblur17It doesn’t run hotter. It is hotter in that situation because you’re overclocking it compared to stock/PBO 7800X3D
Was able to get my hands on a 9800x3d at micro center just before the sell out. Got Super Lucky. I plan on Benchmark versus this with my 5800x3d.
Mine does 5.4Ghz on 1.2V and it ripps. My brother have 5800x3d and that feels 2 gens behind in Pubg atleast. 6400Mhz cl30 you start to get rid of the infinity bottleneck latency wise. I get 370w average fps in Pubg with 200-280 in 1% lows. Ive had 10700k, 12700k, 14900k, 7800x3d, 9800x3d and buildt 2 systems with 5800x3d for others. All systems ended up maxed out overclocked. The 9800x3d overclocked and 140w power budget is the only cpu capabable of running Pubg well without stutters. After 6 years of trying to run that game flawless I'm now happy.
Appreciate you, Bryan for your testing methodology. The silicon lottery could also play a factor. Maybe your 7800x3d is a golden sample, or maybe the 9800x3d is an oc dud. It's still the best 2 CPUs for gaming.
In my own testing 9800x3d is about 15-20% higher 1%lows in Pubg over my meh 7800x3d. -5 on 7800x3d and -25 9800x3d (-25 equals 0.1V equals 200Mhz for free)In games that uses all threads and wattage go through the roof the 9800x3d is a massive step forward in performance.
This time around from reading the comments, it is exactly what I think is happening!
I would tune the IF/RAM side for better lows.
Thanks for this! I always follow your undervolting guides and it's always served me very well!
Hang on a second at 12:13 you have cinebench sccores, how in the world is the 9800XD with X3D Turbo enabled score very slightly below stock or the oc model? Thats not even remotely possible since X3D disables SMT which has a big impact on cinebench scores..
Even my system 9800x3d / 4090 gets close to 24k with +200mhz. Then when i use X3D Boost on motherboard, i lose a decent chunk of points there. (I am on the X670E Gigabyte Masters)
I will double check the X870E Aorus Master. It was a final test I forgot to double check, so might have had it disabled accidentally.
Bring back the "I wish that I was a madman" theme. This is like a Star Wars movie without the 20th Century Fox promo.
Great video as always. Would be interested in memory scaling of the CPU also.
Why am I even watching it when I will ride my i9 9900k till that day it doesn't play my games anymore? Because I like the presentation!
Love your work. Keep it up 👍
It is hard to ignore some of the negative comments, for sure. I really enjoy your channel. Thanks for all the time you put into it. cheers.
You are one of the best reviewers i follow. I bought my first GPU (a rx570) thanks to you and it was a really good choice for me at that time.
With my testing. I found that Memory tuning will give me more performance than overclocking. Although I was able to get my 9800x3d to 5.425ghz at -25. Stays nice and cool. Didn't hit the silicon lottery as I cannot get 6400mhz at a 1:1 ratio like I did with my 7800x3d.
Raise the voltages
If your memory can do it try for 8000mhz. It's faster than 6400 1:1.
i can do it but SoC voltage needs like 1.3 for stability...
i love how the audio of the sponsor is not audible now
about criticism, people do exxagerate when you make mistakes with names, people seems to be triggered by that
those numbers on this video, 7800x3d is great too
Good stuff Bryan. Honestly AMD has these parts and their boost algorithm pretty much maxxed out for gaming. I'm still glad to see the advances in X3D stacking though since the chips can run cooler.
As others have noted, where PBO and overclocking seems to have the biggest benefit is where the 9800X3D is power limited in all-core productivity. Apps like Cinema4D, 7Zip, v-ray really stretch their legs with an undervolt and unlocked power.
i advised a friend of mine almost 2 years to wait before upgrading his 6700/1060 pc knowing we simrace and he wants triple screens . he decided he didn't want to wait anymore just before the 9800x3d launch . i advised him get a 7800x3d and 4080super . seeing the benchmarks and knowing he games with 4k resolution . i'm glad he decided to not wait longer . knowing the new assetto game is coming in januari i'm still trying to convince him to go ultrawide vs triple screen . better to have 100fps or more in simracing vs having triple screen but only getting 60fps .
it's always worth tuning to some extent, there is a lot of people saying they would rather have reliability but as soon as you use the pre baked expo or xmp ram settings your over stock any so it's always worth tuning to find lower voltages mainly.
look as the soc voltage in the video of 1.25v that's pretty high for zen 5 and probably doesn't need to be above 1.05v for that ram speed.
Never forget most people are clueless
my SoC wasnt able to go lower than 1.25v. But then again, im using a 64GB 6400 kit
1.25 soc is safe and not unusual if you’re oc’ing lol
Brian, can you experiment with Curve Shaper? From what I know, Cure Optimiser changes the entire voltage range while Shaper can be tuned for specific voltage points?
yep. Depending on which workload you type want to boost, you can curve shape the other frequencies.
For example, I'm playing around with having Curve Optimizer -20, then Low and mid frequencies at -5, but high and max frequencies I have like +10 ( except for high temp is +0 )
I'm just too lazy to go and benchmark every thing to compare but I tell myself I'm squeezing the most out of my gaming performance lol. I'm maxing at 5.35Ghz comfortably tho
my $10 scrapyard X470 boards and aliexpress 5700X3D makes it not worth it yet.
Hi Bryan/Brian lol. Do you have a link for any vids on OCing DDR5 on asrock Taichis please, you have so many vids I wouldn't know where to start looking haha. Ty for the vid by the way, think I'll stick with my 7 7800x3D. P.S DDR5 I have is 6400.
Welcome back Bryan ❤
Overclocking? Maybe if you got a good cooler.
But I prefer undervolting with the curveoptimizer and now also curveshaper. Doing that I reduced the powerusage by 20% (-30W of 145W) under synthetic load while gaining 3% performance with 23465 points in CBR23 (my base was ~22800). The temps also got 10-15°C lower.
I was able to use -20 on the optimizer and -10 on the shaper on high and max clocks. Other then that I didn't touch anything.
This is for context not a shameless plug. When I put my 7800X 3D up against my 9800X 3D in Cyberpunk using the in game benchmark.
Just like you. 1080p using Low settings with a 7900 XTX Nitro+. 311 for 7800X 3D.....317 for the 9800 X 3D. I posted this around 6 days ago.
Looks gpu limited.
So basically a nothing burger, from what I can tell, my 9800x3d is actually pretty poor silicon too, so my 7800x3d could be a better bin, hence the slight change.
Cyberpunk isn’t heavy on the CPU except the populated city areas that Hardware Unboxed tests in
More of these CPU’s need to go on sale and honestly these 3rd Party resellers like EBay and Mercari should place a restriction of not being able to sell a product that’s only been released recently. Say nothing newer than 3 months. This would thwart a ton of scalpers due to them not being able to capitalize right away and allowing manufacturers to get products out to the consumers.
Interesting topic. I remember in the Skylake days being able to push more with OC. Now I'm not sure I want to FAFO as much.
Undervolting and tight ram timings is the way 2 go 🤘🤘🤘
Did you test only with AsRock or did you also did test with the Gigabyte?
! ATTENTION ! This method of overclocking isn't the way to overclock the 9800x3D optimally. Set CPU multiplier to 54x, CPU vcore to 1.225, keeping UCLK=MEMCLK (but setting mem mhz from 2000 to 2067) gives a solid under-volted overclock, better temps, better performance. Upping your PBO Scalar is not ideal as it increases voltage, which increases heat. +200 with pbo -20 and scalar 1x is fine.
6400 on ram, 2133 infinity UCLK=MEMCLK is even better. Golden samples: 2200 infinity and ram 6600 trumps all. Mine got close but just couldnt do it stable.
You are so wrong
Why are you setting PBO -20 with a fixed vcore and multiplier ? That’s redundant
@@JoeMama-yl1ow how so? Great reply by the way, really insightful.
@@lechf not really sure what you mean by "redundant". This is undervolting, then multiplying and limiting, means you can run @ 5400mhz constantly. Performance and temp wise it's way better.
0:06 the thermal paste on the pointing finger says a lot. 👍
Just had a random question, do you know if the 9800x3d is compatible with the B650i Jginyue Night Devil?
That's what I figured. This 9xxx series is AMD's 13th gen, it seems: boost the power, change just a little bit and there you go. Not sure what to think of that.
Honestly after my 14900K woes and the struggle to get a replacement chip I could care less about overclocking.
In Ryzen 7 9800X3D any kind of latency issue compared to its previous gen? Please make a video about it.... like 10th gen to 12th gen processor latency video you made before. Thanks man.
*So, the answer is no for now.*
Offcourse I want to overclock 9800X3D. A jist order 2 day ago termal grizzly delid tool and I will put it liquid metal under the cpu lid. The cooler will be Arctic liquid freezer III 360.
I want max overclock of this CPU! 😁
can you do a optimization/UV video? Just like with the 7800X3D and 5800X3D
It's tough, I love traditional OC. But I only need a single CCD. Getting a single CCD CPU without 3D cache and OC it turns out slower than just getting a 3D part. My previous 5950X was great fun to OC and dial in. Those days are gone.
I do have th 9800x3d and i also found that the good old tried +200 boost 10x scalar just doesn't do anything in terms of performance and really pushes temps as high as 93c. And power draw increases to an insane 170w.
With respect to undervolting the CPU, I found that an aggressive undervolt performed worse than a mild undervolt. The CPU behaveds totally differently from the 7800x3d.
My take away is that the 7800x3d OCed is actually superior. But with future BIOS updates and game optimizations I'm sure the 9800x3d will perform better.
I'm struggling to decide on a new motherboard for my 9800x3d. Now that I'm aware OC is not something I require, it's made my selection worse, lol.
I want nice aesthetics from the board also.
The new system is going into Antec Flux Pro, 32gb GSkill Z5 Royal, Lian Li Hydroshift cooler, and will pair with an RTX 5080 when released. It's purely a gaming system, nothing more, but picking the right motherboard is proving to be excruciatingly painful. Black build not white.
I have been buying new ASRock boards for allot of new parts builds for about the last 5 years, never have had any problems. My main gaming rig is also the Antec Flux Pro. The glass panels have a fairly dark smoke so to have a great looking mobo is ok but you will not see it clearly. Steel Legend has always been my go to. Bryan put out a review on boards last month, check it out.
any B650 that has the io you require make isn't really that important.
I like X670E-F/B650E-F/B650E-E. All under $300 and can often be found for around $200 or less. I have X670E-F, and it's decent. Running 6400c28 1:1 with GDM disabled.
I am wondering if it is the motherboard\memory Brian is using for the cyber punk benchmark?
I want to see a budget roundup of what the 8000 series can comfortably hit at 1:1 on stock/budget cooling and an A620M or budget B650 since it has a better node (4nm monolithic) I/O and memory controller. 8400F is now around $90 on AliXP and 8600G is retailing $20 under the 7600.
They have less cache, but this could be overcome overall, or at least by relative value, if they easily take 6800/3400/2266 and the benchmarks bear fruit.
What happened to the S4 of the $100 flip up challenge?
Why do the 1% lows seem to shit the bed with the OC ?
I’d rather have steady lows than a couple over all frames. Just me.
it can happen that your manual overclock is not good :D just sayin' . Its like memory, you can have higher memory speed, but at some point it may be hitting your overall performance because, error correction that you didn't notice or just hitting the power envelope. How was that overclocking done? ECLK for example can also be a solution... depends on so many variables ... than the PBO, CO and Turbo Boost norm ...
Still testing on Win10? If so, I wonder if your CP0277 result would change on Win11 24H2.
Yes I use windows 10, though for the those results just simply ask others to match them, as they 7800x3d results im getting are much better than others in Cyberpunk.
If all I care about is temps, should I just go w/ a -30 undervolt all core & tune ram?
I feel for you Brian. The amount of rage bait bombing feels amplified lately. It's to the point where I am avoiding commenting or participating. I just can't sort through the mess it causes.
I would be more interested in watching a video on how to Undervolt the 9800 X3D than overclocking personally.
I swapped back to the 7700X, been great so far for the 4090
I have been waiting for this one, I had a feeling you were putting in allot of time on this CPU. Will be looking forward to the underclocking episode also. You always manage to find the sweet spot. Relax and enjoy what you are doing, it makes a difference to quite a few viewers.
cant wait undervolting! sub given
I experience stability issue when I switch from 7500F to 9800x3D after updating Bios on my Asrock B650m. After I switch to MSI X670 & then problem solved. It could be just the VRM or Bios Update... Also, I found no FPS gain on RX 580 RX 6700 RTX 3050 until I switch to 4070 Super on 1080k
If you overclock to 5600mhz. Do you also set undervolt to -15?
the scalar is scary cause at 9x i saw my VID go upto 1.500V on my 5800X with llc set at level 5
yeah that differs by generation, on the 9800x3d the boost algorithm has a vid limit of around 1.35 V, it will never request more
on older parts pbo and the scalar was always somewhat broken
Using a 7900XTX (OC'd) upgrading from a 5900X, would I better off just getting a 7950X3D over waiting on a 9950X3D? I game at 1440P at this time.
8-cores is ideal for using the x3d cpus for gaming anyway so no point waiting for the 9950X3D when the 9800X3D is the same performance.
The only thing you'll gain with the 9950X3D is worse latency and losing money
CP2077 shows a lot of flat results if you use the canned benchmark, but its a pain in the butt to run custom saves and try and keep track of everything so I don't blame you.
something is wrong..
My 9800x3d goes any CB at 5.42GHz, using: pbo +200, scalar x2, co -25
Even in prime95 small fft goes around 5.25m occt avx512 5.2.
Ur numbers are spot on, but the cpu you have is not the best at -15Pbo or loadline on that mb is very hot. Mine does -25 and it equals 0.1V!!! Its a massive difference. Intels cpu should be run at max 1.5V and brakes at 1.6V. Minus Pbo -25 is the same difference and I just wanted to put 0.1V in context. X3d have never been Bigger numbers are faster, its all about keeping average clocks high/not fluctuating. In Pubg running 370fps I found that an -25 with 200Pbo I needed an Riva fps lock to avoid downclocking, and that gives very good dipps. Its insanly smooth. The 1% lows is now a massive 200-280fps range. Lows are almost as fast as my previous Intel rigs average in Pubg. Pubg uses all the threads it can lay its hands on so its a good tester.. The 9800X3d only shines at a bigger power budget, not surprising since 5nm>4nm isnt a big difference in node shrinkage. 120-150w on water is really nice spot to aim for. The cpu runs cool and feels like it has a decent headroom for ocing, atleast with a good piece of silicon. I'm much more happy with my 9800x3d than my 7800x3d that could only do -5, so better silicon and a huge powerbudget makes for a massive fps uptick in esport gaming. The lows are just so much higher.
So OC is dead , do UV at stock settings, not worth on 9800X3D
I would love to see enough of a undervolt to bring it down to same power draw of 7800xrd and then compare them.
How do I stop my 9800x3d stop thermal throttling after 1 hour playing rust, 420mm cooler, running performance settings.
I really want to figure out what the best ram is for that.I need sixty four gigs
tried setting all c2077 all low, native, 80 fov, around 322 fps average 10 runs. 9800x3d, 32gb 6000mhz, 4090
it has headroom but do you really need it - maybe not until the next fastest cpu comes out in a couple of years
7950x3d vs 9800x3d
i had a 7950x3d and bought the 9800x3d was this a downgrade
maybe ask before next time lol
Just test it and sell the other one
No offense to you, but, I never can or will understand the need to overclock a CPU that is already the TOP performer in its class for what it was intended for (gaming). Aside from voiding warranty, you producing more heat to push the chip to instability levels, and shortening its lifespan. For what, 100 to 200mhz more to net +15 fps that no one will ever notice?
If a chip that gets overclocked is not significantly moving up the benchmark tables (4 spots or more from its stock configuration), overclocking a top performing chip is a waste of time (unless LN2 is involved). Undervolting to maintain performance is the best way to go than overclocking...
It depends on the CPU, the 7500F for example is excellent at overclocking
@@BonusCrook I'm sure it or any other can... I'm just not understanding why if it won't yield significant results! Like an extra 75-100 fps for the type of heat and voltage that's required. It's like, oh this chip is the best out right now... Now let's overclock it... Uh, it doesn't overclock well, and then they think too hard on their purchase. Never satisfied. The chip performs better than most anticipated! And Intel's flagship CPUs only made it more so...
To each their own.
*NO*
Why does everyone not mention there is another x3d coming?
Honestly there is really no point in OCing this chip. Better tune those ram timings instead. For people with a 6000MT CL30 kit, checkout Buildzoid's video about easy timings on hynix ram from about a year ago, those are a good starting point.
Can you link me pls
Link PLS
just wait for R9 9950x3D~
I think its time for some new games, that utilize more CPU usage for benchmarks - Although they dont have cookie cutter benchmarks, try Space Marine 2 and Hell Divers.
amd 100 time advice in blog=when change cpu,must format old windows,install fresh new windows (new cpu patch can instal from windows install file,iso)
curious exploration, but for overclock to be useful it needs to be same (and stable) in all tests.
Wait what? default is better than PBO?
Let's be real guys.. there is ABSOLUTeLY nNO POINT IN OVERCLOCKING ANYMORE.. it's literally just a selling point.
sure, but not worth the gougey price
Can you yes and its unlikely to hurt the cpu although you can never rule it out with any cpu. But in this case why bother this cpu is a beast at stock settings with lows higher then intel's highs in some cases.
As for the name calling seriously some people act like children and where the data is concerned this is a new cpu.
GN already found out that things that are supposedly on in the bios are infact not depending on which motherboard your using.
This well get ironed out quickly enough and not remotely suppressing as it happens with most major launches.
Tbh i dont think its worth it. The performance is already amazing
unless your using a 4090 would you even notice.
Overclocking is dead. Undervolting is in.
Why windows 10
he mentioned it before, it performs better then w11 because its more reliable. It doesn't have any weird updates that makes ryzen or intel perform better.
@@KazunaiOwO but the 11 24h2 has ryzen fix and it has better fps
@@Zhandos18 thing is windows 10 still performs better
@@KazunaiOwO if ryzen has better fps on w11 it doesnt
I had 24247 in R23, with 5504mhz at 78C
im at 24173 with 5425mhz at 66c | PBO +200 standard Limits -40 curve optimizer
not worth overclocking modern CPUs. it's not like the sandybridge days where you could easily get over 1GHz overclock
It is worthwhile given that it can greatly improve the lows.
I don’t think overclocking in general is worth it unless you’re a competitive gamer who upgrades more often 🤷🏻♂️
If you know how to overclock and tune memory, timings, and fabric you can get huge improvements on the lows
@ maybe, but most overclockers are usually on the high end hardware. So I don’t see another 10% in exchange for more power/heat worth it 🤷🏻♂️
@mikeramos91 maybe you're just not as dedicated an enthusiast as those guys?
@@BonusCrook exactly my point. It's only worth it if you're an enthusiast competitive gamers who obviously have more money & can upgrade more often
Just test in real world game play,1440p not stupid 1080p low as it doesn't show what it's compatible of.
That's why I skipped the 7800X3D because it was too neutered and locked for my personal taste and I personally found it to be weak, but the 9800X3D solved all those issues.
GamersNexus says otherwise
Steam has lower fps in some games.
love how i get the same and even sligghtly better FPS in Cyberpunk on Ultra with 14900K than 9800x3d on Low settings, its also the same situation with Starfield and other CPU intensive games. This proves how dogshit AMD really is! Its not your fault the 9800x3d actually has about 12ns worse memory latency than 7800x3d and its natural to perform this bad....
Then your CPU degrades and you have crashes galore. Or you can get their new CPU which is worse than their old one.
@@XxViciousxX only thing that degrades is your missing brain haha
Jesus what an utter retard.
@@XxViciousxX only an AMDumb sheep would say this LMAO
I am seeing the same thing compared to my 13900k at 4k with .1% lows.
9800x3d is great at 1080p and 1440p, but is shit with .1% lows at 4k
Dude your results make absolutely no sense. Try a different motherboard or bios. I'm seeing improvements across the board with PBO +200 and -20 curve
you MUST test cyberpunk in a proper test scenario bro.... just yourself anywhere in town where a lot is going on. stop being lazy and show people the difference. using a ingame benchmark is missleading.
your are causing harm to your credibility by ignorance. you know my name. you know how i write. maybe step back and stop thinking that i am trying to be mean. if something is flawed, of course you are not happy to accept it. come on man!!!! i am watching you for years now. you can do better.
All good, though can you link me a video of the area I should be testing at?
For shits and giggles take a 4060 or 4060ti and run a back to back test on 3 games and see if the 3dcache helps mid range on 7000-9000 and if mid gpu range is worth any upgrade
Faster Processors do nothing to alleviate a GPU bottleneck
I don't get it. 60FPS is enough. You want to get ultra smooth, ok get this 120. But what's the point of reaching 200+, 300+ numbers.... I want to see the difference in 2k or 4k with ULTRA settings and RT or even Path Tracing. This is what this CPU is meant for. And I want to see if I can get like boost from ~40 to ~60FPS and get a nice smooth experience from a choppy one. who cares if you have 290 or 310 FPS at 1080P in cyberpunk...
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