It is pretty darn good! I think I am still going to wind up running a Bones just because I like the color science more, but that is only the creative part of things for me and this thing is plenty good for sharing flight footage without it.
Damn dude, this was the exact video i needed to see. I dont fly much freestyle. I fly cine BUT prefer to fly 4.3 and this has sold me that the 2.7K is totally acceptable.
Yeah it limits you for sure when you want to run 4:3, and I reallllly don't like having to run 16:9 if I can help it, lol. It is absolutely acceptable, and honestly will be even better once I swap the cam plates out for the O3 designed ones Quadmula is sending. I am surprised someone hadn't already shown it this way on the TH-cams!
Perfect timing. This video answers a bunch of the questions that I had since I've got the V2 and only fly low latency and was looking for better details without and additional lag.
yeah I hadn't seen much on it floating around the interwebz, so I figured I might as well share my thoughts on it and help clarify. I am not big on the higher latency modes, so it really does limit the usability of the camera in some situations. Some pilots will be fine with that, and others will hate it, lol.
@@BaconNinjaFPV I took my vista 5" drone to Oklahoma Broken Bow and there was a ton of trees did not have a bunch of room to fly. Wish my video feed was a little better to see all the ghost branches. If it was my every day spot I would of figured out the lines. I ended up cutting my flying time short since I did not have my super long pole with me. I think either a smallet ducted drone or O3 Air Unit would of been the better choice. Will see how it goes next year. Oklahoma is beautiful.
Quadmula F5 is awesome,i have that frame and i love quality and prints.Wait some motors and star build.I can't wait :) BTW you have great flying skills,tnx for review new DJI stuff and happy flying :)
The QM F5 has been a great little frame so far! I only have 20 or so packs on it at this point, but I can already tell it is going to give my other premium frames a run for their money. I also agree that their prints are some of the best looking I have ever gotten with a frame kit. Thank you so much, and I appreciate you stopping by!
Thanks for the info! Great video! Was waiting til Dec 20th for my 03’s but rdq got stock the other day so I cancelled from dji. I’m stoked to get mine!
You are welcome! The whole stock situation is rough right now. Glad to hear RDQ got you in sooner though! Nothing worse than waiting forever for the new toys when you want to play with them, lol.
I've gotten to the point where I only throw on an action cam if I'm doing some commerical work, or if there's something really special I think I might want to capture. I've found most people aren't interested in watching how I fly for minutes on end, but it's really interesting that people will watch a short goggle dvr clip. Most ot the time I'm just focusing on having fun flying, and video is a far distant thought.
In 2022 that’s most definitely the case for a lot of pilots. By now even the general public has seen and now has a limited attention span on flying vids. I watch bacons channel for the comic relief he brings and he just seems like a super nice guy so I support channels like his. This 03 allows me to record my flights for the chance to catch that one flight or trick that can’t be duplicated
I almost always fly with an action cam, but that is mostly just for me. I agree with you that most people couldn't care less about flight edits unless they are cinematic shots of interesting places. I just like to make something out of the footage for the creative process more than anything, and dipping my toe into the videography side of this stuff is a fun way to do it. Usually I just set my GoPro settings once and fly it like that every time without any variation. If I want to add a creative touch in post I will, but I agree that the camera isn't there for the flight or the quality of it at all. It is all about the background track and how the colors add to that for me, and sometimes I watch my videos back just to feel them as a visualizer for the music, lol.
Thank you sir, and I completely agree with you!! I remember wayyyyyy back in the day when I had only been flying a couple of months, I made a little video where one of the main points was "nobody cares about your flight edits" and that holds true still, lol. I try to make it more about creativity and expressing my personality than just straight flying. I like the feel of the whole thing being a shared experience among a group of friends more so than a pilot skill show and tell. I really appreciate you my friend, and you have been here since the very beginning. Can't thank you enough!
@@BaconNinjaFPV I just like using TH-cam's disk space for 4k videos and to track my progress over time. Plus being non monetized, I can put music I like on for when I feel like looking back. And I'm enjoying learning a bit about davinci resolve along the way.
Very informative video. Just got my 03 au to link to my rooted V2 goggles. I fly with a Runcam Orange 5 so the 03 au recording looks perfectly fine. 👍🤓
Thank you!! I really think that this will be a perfect replacement for an RCO5, and probably even a little better if you wind up flying in 4K rather than 2.7K. I hope you enjoy it!
I like your style! Keep it up! For example I watch Botgrinder and I’m probably one of the few that’s not interested in pot and his whole pot vibe but I like his content style! As it’s entertaining. Your on par and even better!!! Keep up the good work and you’ll be a huge TH-cam influencer.
Thank you so much!! I am with you on the no interest in pot or that kind of lifestyle, I just like Bot for his personality outside of that and his raw honesty. I try to bring my honest opinion to things and keep the feel of my content in a "group of friends" kind of vibe. I really appreciate you, and idk what I will do if anyone is actually influenced by my content, lol. Sounds terrifying!
Ive been flying 4:3 for the last 4 years. Figured i'd hate 16:9. After a couple packs on the o3 it didn't really bother me much. End product i think comes out a bit better if you're willing to fly in 16:9
Yeah I don't mind 16:9 when I don't have any other options, I just really do prefer that additional top and bottom when it is a native 4:3 cam. I do completely agree with you that if you go 16:9 with this that will absolutely give you the best resolution results!
great video. had wondered why i couldnt set my cam to 4:3, thanks!. btw flat gives you less contrast, and a wider dynamic range. so you can get contrast back in post.
Thank you man!! I spend soooooo much time picking appropriate background tracks, lol. Usually more time than I spend actually cutting the edit and doing color grading.
Awesome rundown on the thoughts here. I’m in the process of putting an 03 build together. Looking at the siren f5 split frame as well. My issue is seeing the stand offs. MurderFpV had the same issue. Is that the siren f5 made for the 03 unit? Sean Chen said it’s possible to get rid of it in some instances. Any feedback ? Appreciate the channel 🙏
It is a great frame for it!! QM is adding soft mount plates for the O3 to keep those carbon plates out of the shot when you select the O3 option in their store now. I should have my replacement plates this week and I will for sure put something up to show them and hopefully it won't have that issue. Thank you so much by the way!
@@BaconNinjaFPV sick , I’ll be on the lookout for that video for sure. The option to go without a GoPro is an awesome advancement. The siren f5 frame seams solid , and easy to work on. He said at 25 degree and below , there should be no frame in the shot. Looking forward .. 🙌🏼
This is exactly what I want to do, apparently I need to research my camera settings, maybe I'll still be stuck buying a go Pro, or maybe I should just stop caring just do it for fun lol. Nice video 👍
honestly...I like a gopro for all of my stuff even with an O3. Then again, I like to do silly things with my footage like color grading. If you are talking about the same thing from your comment on the other video, I really think it may be something with an export setting somewhere that is getting you!
@@BaconNinjaFPV I broke down and bought a thumb pro, I want go Pro so bad but I can't see blowing 499 on a good crash. Thank you for your response 👍 keep up good work brother
yeah props in view is going to be a real pain for some people. Personally I don't mind it, but I only really do freestyle and it just lets you know what level of stabilization was done on the footage. If having the props in view is a deal breaker for you, then there may be a couple of freestyle frames out there than can do it and deadcats as always can get it done!
See I havent been flying very long. About 3 months. The first month I was on analog with a BNF ( fatshark dom V3s and 800mw vtx) My drone friends I've made already were on DJI. I couldnt fly with them without constantly being knocked out of the sky. Went to DJI and I really love it. The root hack made everything what I needed to be. But for the price and features im scared to try that 03 air unit stuff. A vista rooted with full OSD is the prefect system in my eyes. Im sure things will change with updates, but for now if its not broke, dont change it.
Hey, fly what you like and enjoy it! Nothing wrong at all with sticking to the last gen DJI stuff, in fact I think a whole lot of people are going to do just that. The price for O3 is worth it in some aspects, but for sure not in every case. For me, it is just going to be another thing in the line up for use when it is the right tool.
@@BaconNinjaFPV I actually got a O3 unit for 195$ shipped+tax on black Friday deals. So considering a vista costs ~175$ with tax, it was a very close deal. But you can get a RunCam wasp for less too, so that's another option for a budget hd video.
You are very welcome!! Yeah the cam plates being in view is unfortunate, but luckilly Quadmula has new ones fit for the O3 that will also soft mount the cam. Gonna swap those out soon and see just how good it can get when you push it!
@@BaconNinjaFPV Nice! I came out with a frame and a couple days later thee 03 came out so going to make a new mount for it built into the frame and another as a freestyle pusher with no props in view. Great channel enjoy your honesty and take on things!
running it with the v2's is honestly the best bet anyway. Having both sets of goggles, and not being blown away by a 1080 feed from the Avata in the G2, I just cant recommend that kind of money for them in the current use case. DEADPOOOOOL!
If you where using a better frame for the O3 wider FOV then I say yes this was good enough for a basic freestyle edit. I fly in 4k120 16:9 with the O3 in the GEPRC MK5 O3 Edition w/ELRS EP1 and the V2 goggles. Set to Normal FOV and the quality is epic. Props are just kinda in view and absolutely no frame or stand offs in the shot. My all up weight with a 6S 1300mah is 658g
Yeah there was a little too much standoff in this one for sure, lol. I did swap everything over to the O3 kit for this frame though, which got rid of all of that camera plate and standoff with the Normal FOV. The weight for me is about the same as yours on this build, but I still find myself running a gopro on top......I just can't get over the difference in color grading yet. Maybe we will get 10-bit color on the O3 like the avata got, and mayyyyyyybe that will convince me 100%.
Adjust the camera position or get another frame that doesn’t show up in the feed and yes, I think this is good enough for freestyle for someone that doesn’t want to run an action camera.
Yeah it does take some adjusting for how flat the front of this camera is compared to its depth. I should get the O3 plates for this frame soon, so hopefully that carbon in the top corners will be out of the picture once I swap them. I agree that if you don't want to run an action cam, or just want to lighten your build as much as possible, it can totally be done with this system!
That was actually a very informative video. I think it solidified my decision to hold on upgrading from the old airunit for now. Will be interesting to see how the new frames will adapt to this new camera cause i have to say those standoffs in view are for me super distracting compared to the clean cut image you get with a mounted action cam
Yeah the standoffs really are a pain sometimes. I did another video on this frame though after they had sent me their new O3 compatible soft mount plates and they are totally gone :) it seems like quite a few frames are getting modified to do the same, and i forsee loooooots more of that coming down the pipe. I don't disagree with holding off being a reasonable choice though. I jump on the new things because...well...they are fun to talk about, lol, but that isn't how it always works in the real world.
It looks good enough for my freestyle edits thats just what i think though i know everyones a little different on how they like their footage but that looked ok enough to me
If staccato is a quickly separated note in music Bacon Ninja flight style = "Stickcato" for all the crisp beat defined movements. Someone was mentioned last week you've your own "thing" maybe this is it? or do you have a verb to describe your style?
oh; yeah still paused... it does look good... but then i'm watching on my phone and never really experience 4k much anyway BUT if you can keep it clean with all your crisp moves, it appears good for Deadpool-Build
lol, yeah I am never sure what to call it really. Some people call it greasy...because bacon...but idk what it is really. I figure there probably isn't too much of a point in trying to pin something on it since I don't see it as something that will really catch on and need a name, but I guess if I had to do it I would go with greasy!
I bet it looks it's best on a phone! Really though, that is where most people go to consume FPV content anyway so I guess a small screen is the best way to assess it. It is great for minimal effort! lol
@@BaconNinjaFPV Greasy it is. do you fly to: 1) an actual beat, like a metronome 2) a beat run through your head or 3) fly while listening to a specific track?? the timing of each "random" movement catches so nicely, which is what gives the actual style... Aerial Dancing but in a (Rave)nous way... either way -love it
It’s great tech, that has to be said! It’s nice looking clearly good enough for TH-cam, but I still don’t see it replacing my GoPros (and not just cuz I dislike DJI). One GoPro is still a hell of a lot cheaper then an additional set of goggles plus AU per quad. Also: camera settings are set once per session on my GoPro flying different quads, instead of changing it up for every single quad. Then you have pilot feed vs cinematic settings, can’t strap an O3 to a mountain bike or a helmet, and although I don’t race I seriously dislike variable and/or high latency. To each their own, but for me, all-in-all I’d rather take the weight penalty, cuz every other practical reason points me towards using my GoPro. I prefer 4:3, but im still getting me a 16:9 goggle in the near future as the FOV is big enough to also operate at 4:3 for 4:3 native cameras.
It is indeed a great system. The range and penetration of the video link is for sure the best option outside of really long range focused scenarios. I agree that a whole fleet of these things makes no sense...I might have 2 and that is going to be about it, lol. Having a nice camera that you can swap in and out starts to make the most sense when you have a decent size fleet and you don't want a bunch of random parts configurations running around. Where I am most excited about this system is in the 3" or cinewhoop realm. I think for a small quad, being able to get decent footage without carrying an action cam at all is going to make a lot of sense, and for cinewhoops having a backup recording may also come in handy plenty of times. Personally, the Bones is still going to ride on top of this O3 quad...I just like the creative control it allows for way more than the convenience and weight saving of the air unit. Ultimately though, for those people who just want to dump it off the SD card, throw a track behind it, and post it up, this may win out.
@@BaconNinjaFPV I see your point and feel the same for the most part. In shear image quality and penetration, no question it’s the most capable system! (Low light not so much, but that’s a whole other can of worms) But considering I already have a fleet (and action cams), spending almost a grand to put the O3 system on only a couple of quads to save some weight on those just doesn’t make sense to me at this point. I can crash and destroy a few naked GoPros for that price if I really need to save some weight. I already do on my LR quads and cinewhoops, but I’ve never really crashed any of those. Penetration has never really been an issue for me (😏), nothing I can’t push through. I find that a little breakup actually helps me with orientation of the quad relative to my position. So for freestyle I’ll make due with my hero 9 or my peanut. (Not to mention the rumors about an upcoming new Session.) If I ever move into paid gigs and/or cinelifters it might make sense, but until that time (or if the price ever comes down significantly), I’ll take the weight penalty for granted like we have done for years. That’s just my take, but everyone should decide for themselves what their priorities are for their applications.
Thank you! I think O3 with v2 is probably the best choice you can make when getting into this system. Nothing wrong with it at all, and you still get most of the additional features while saving yourself a wad of cash!
Cant get over those rolls. I don't know if it is the way you have your camera mounted or your technique but it is very unique and signature. Very nice video.
lol, I just sit the quad down, put my thumbs on the sticks, and get lost in the moment. How it happens, I have no idea! Thank you very much, and I always appreciate your comments my friend!
It is pretty nice not worrying about how badly I just destroyed a $400 GoPro when I crash hard, lol. I hit that pavilion, flung the quad about 50 feet into a metal pole, and it stopped on the concrete walk way. No biggie at all! I would have felt a little cringe if it had a GoPro sitting on top for sure.
Hi...thanks for this 2.7K is good quality and much easier on the memory and processing. I realize you did not stabilize the footage. I rarely do. However, the ease and simplicity of DJI stabilization may change my mind. I've never used a gopro, I'd kill it for sure. I think Bones was Gopro''s realization and answer to losing money on fpv replacements. So small a market, they couldn't identify the failed gopros specifically with fpv crashes. Now, they can...just like dji with their session 5 knock off. When you say flat color profile, is it D-Log, or D-Cinelike? If D-Cine, I'd just as soon record in normal. Color correction (white balance adjustment) and color grading is a PITA. In my opinion, LUTs are too specific to look good universally. i'd like to see same video without the LUT, which serves it's purpose for this video, but is more effort than I want to put into it. So, I got you beat there. Also, if you can give your experience of G1V2 versus G2, that could help. $650 is a lot of money for an upgrade to V2. Is it worth it?
You are very welcome!! Yes, the ability to just throw Rock Steady on might just get more people to stabilize their footage since it is so simple. I just never do since my flight style really doesn't look natural with any kind of stabilization, lol. By flat, I meant the D-Cinelike that DJI offers...not as good as GoPro flat, but it is ok. I like to use LUT's, but usually use my own primary conversion tables first and I hardly ever use the same LUT twice with the same settings. I just like that added layer of creativity! I will for sure have more vids on the system where I just show the raw out of cam footage because I agree that lots of people will just leave it on regular color and put it straight up that way. As for the G2 vs V2, I really don't think it is worth the money at this point. If you care about nothing except the quality of the pilot feed, then the G2 has a little bit of an edge, but not worth the money to me. The OLED's and diopter adjustments are worth it for some as well, but I really only care about being able to see obstacles and past that I am not picky.
I had to hit stop really quick to add my thoughts and I think it’s fuckin killer!! Question, being a n00b and only shooting cinematic until I put the 03 unit in my first freestyle build, what, if any modifications can be made to lessen that blind spot(nice choice of music btw) caused by the recessed camera mount? With the camera footage being so rad, your videos will take on a new dynamic with the kickass video quality while taking off a lot of the added weight by being able to lose the action. camera. The trick then becomes protecting the 03 unit from crash damage. Fantastic informational video, Bacon! You covered a lot of growing concerns with the difference in the 2 and V2 goggles paired with the limited performance in the 2’s. Great job!!
lol, yeah I thought the lyric was appropriate for the use case! Lots of frames are already or currently redesigned with keeping the plates out of view in mind for the O3 system. When it comes to this particular frame, there are new side plates which soft mount the camera and keep them out of view...I am just waiting on them to come in :( It is a trade off between protecting the cam and getting the most out of it for sure. Personally, I don't like the limitations of the color grading on this camera so for my pilot preference I will keep running the Bones on top and take the weight hit. Not that this quality isn't perfectly acceptable, i just want those creative controls back that the color depth of a different camera gives me. Everything is a balance!
Interesting, did you update the firmware on the goggles v2? I’m afraid if I upgrade firmware I will lose v 1.06 and not be able to hack the mw adjustment which works on my vista, DJI air units. I’m not sure?
Yes, I sure did update the firmware. I basically upgraded to 0606 in the FPV series, then rooted, then updated to the latest in the consumer drone side. Now that I have done that, when I go back to the FPV assistant it shows a totally different firmware path than it did before. You will for sure lose the ability to do the power output hack...which is sad. Personally though, I found the range and penetration to be more than sufficient as is just running the normal 700mw output but that is totally up to what you are doing with the quad.
ooooooof....I can't pick favorites, lol. They are just two tools for different things, and they are both good and bad. I will say though, at the moment with the current HDZ VTX's, for freestyle DJI wins. You just can't beat this range and penetration. I am not personally really picky about the image quality for the pilot feed, which probably isn't a normal thing for most pilots. I just want to be able to see branches and obstacles before I hit them, and both systems do that for sure. DJI just does it better more often with it's style of break up, even if it does mean less consistent latency. Now for racing, HDZ wins all day every day!
Have you had the issue I have where you record in 2.7k 4:3 with IES disabled and Wide recording enabled. Whenever I add it to Gyroflo its just a blacks screen when stabilization is enabled, when I disable stabilization the video is back...
I have not had that happen at all...sounds really weird. It just goes to an all black screen with you enable smoothing? It sounds like maybe there is something up with how it is reading the gyro data. I would for sure put in an issue ticket on it over at the gyroflow github and see if they can't work that one out.
@@BaconNinjaFPV Thanks for the reply. I'll try and make a video about it so that its clear to see what the issue is. Maybe it can help someone else too like the devs
🤔 This makes me interested in Dji, was thinking of going HD0 but this really change my mind, since i don't have any gopro or HD0 yet this is looking really interesting to save weight, i don't do cinema so that isn´t a issue, is the pic a bit dark or is it just me?
It does come out a little dark, and that is mostly just due to the exposure algorithm and color depth in this cam. The shadow details aren't great, and since I was going for minimal effort I didn't try to push the correction into making them look better. I think HDZ is a great system, everything just has its particular use case. For my micros HDZ does a realllllly great job, I just fly such large spots with bigger quads that it struggles with range and penetration. I wish there were a way to run DJI in a VRX so we didn't have to lock ourselves into one ecosystem :(
lol, yeah hopefully the new O3 plates they are sending me will get those stinking things out of there! If you are a 16:9 pilot, then heck yeah just run full 4K and call it a day!
Yeah it is the SBF7 v3. It sure doesn't want to fit in this split, lol. Quadmula told me that they really recommend the standard F5 if you are running this stack since it is taller than what they expect to go in the split....but I love a split deck. I don't mind the M2 stack screws much since they fit the gummies nicely with the silicone sleeve over them, but there was no way I was getting those little printed caps on these things with the SB in there. I used little M2 nuts and they just look like they are crying trying to hold back a flood of gummy underneath them, lol.
@@BaconNinjaFPV yeah that's exactly what I had to do as well. The 3d. Printed m2 nuts included with the frame didn't fit for me. I used the tpu mounts for the capacitors I wish other frames came with those.
@@BaconNinjaFPV im positive they will. Great video quality, maybe not as good as a gph 11 but better than a session 5 , plus a lighter build! How can you go wrong? People hate DJI but you have to admit, they're single handedly advancing the industry. Outside of my recently destroyed tinyhawk 2 freestyle, I don't really have experience with Analog. I've only used digital.
Absolutely good enough in my book. Whether you like them or not, ya got to hand it to DJI, once again they've taken FPV to a new level for the majority of pilots. I've bought up a bunch of old generation vista units on the secondary market for bargains from pilots moving to the O3. If I wasn't already setting on several GoPro's I probably would have went with the 03 right off the bat. I still love my HDZero as well, I think their primary niche is in (especially now) racing and tiny whoops. Or those like you and me who fly in the desert, haha.
The 03 in my experience is finally at the quality I had imagined fpv should be. When I first started out in the hobby This is what I dreamed it would be one day. Yeah you’ll have the Dji haters riding the latency issues but in my book there are no issues. Your brain adjusts to the feel and some of my sbang friends say they fly like the did on analog.
@@creationlabsinc.189 I did notice the higher latency when I added DJI to my analog and HDZero fleet, especially with the polar camera. I started flying my routines and smashed my quad into the ground trying Matty Flips through some some small trees a couple of times. I flew it up higher until my brain adapted. The wasp isn't as bad with the lower latency. I do still notice that HDZero and Analog feel more connected, but I can adapt to the difference pretty easily now.
@@RebelGoatFPV my experience as well. I hated the polar camera experience so I installed only nebula pros or og cam. After 2 years digital I refuse to go back to analog for only a connected feel. It’s such a small negative in my experience I’ll trade visually stunning over feel any day
@@creationlabsinc.189 My remaining analogs are my bashers. I use them to learn new tricks or fly in risky environments. Edit: My polar is now on a long range quad, the rest are wasps, og, or nebula pros.
yeah the standoffs kill me too. Quadmula is providing me some of their soft mounting cam plates designed specifically for the O3 that should take care of it though!
Good catch! The whole promotional price thing that was floating around, and continues to randomly float around at different stores, has been a bit confusing for the market. It looks like most places have gone up to that price and just a hand full are still down right under $600. Not sure if anywhere is going to honor that promo price if someone gets a preorder in though.
Would it be possible to fly with 810p 120 FPS with the V2 goggles and record in 1080p or 2.7k 60 FPS on the air unit? I wouldn't like the file size of recordings to be that huge when I will convert it all to 1080p 30 FPS in the end anyways
unfortunately it isn't possible to fly in a different frame rate than you are recording in :( the resolution is no problem, but whatever the goggles are set to will be the frame rate no matter what you do.
Wow, thanks for the quick reply! Well I guess the two biggest advantages of the O3 vs. Air Unit and Caddx Vista are that you don't have to put an action cam on your quad, so there's less weight, less cost, less drag and less damage when crashing and second the H265 encoding allows for much better image quality when the signal gets weaker. Below 5 Mbps the old system would produce a very muddy image while the O3 will still produce a very clear image. And the situations where the signal gets bad are exactly those where you need a clear image to control the quad (inside buildings, close to trees, close to the ground etc.). I don't get why they don't have an option to record at lower FPS, they would just have to skip frames. Also it should be no problem to receive the raw image for FPV and record a processed image. Makes no sense that all settings apply to both outputs (except for RealSteady). Nonetheless I think those are just minor downsides and overall it's a good upgrade. The fact that it's too big for most frames and the camera would pick up the props can easily be solved by creating a mount where the action cam would normally go.
@@BaconNinjaFPV Actually I found the changelog of an update from January which enables 120 FPS recording with the Goggles 2 and 30 FPS recording with both the V2 and Goggles 2. So I assume the latest firmware did indeed enable the option to record at different framerates than what you're flying with. The Goggles 2 video feed is still limited to 60 or 100 FPS and the V2 video feed is limited to 60 or 120 FPS. If that's truly how it works and you don't just receive a 30 FPS video feed and some frames are skipped on the Goggles 2 when recording in 120 FPS, that makes the O3 pretty much perfect. The update also enabled 10-bit D-Cinelog for even more contrast and dynamic in the images.
Awesome flying and video, dude! 😃 My issue is the price per quad with this system. It's too much! Other than that, it would be fantastic even for rc cars! (Yeap, I'm weird... I do FPV with rc cars!) Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Thank you bro! It is suuuuuper expensive to rig everything out with these. I think that I could see myself having two for daily drivers, but not a whole fleet worth for sure. I love FPV on RC as well! I have a ton of crawlers that get FPV rigs thrown on them occasionally, lol. I won't argue with you being weird, but still :p
@baconninjafpv ahhh. I'm so confused. I'm new to your channel but I really am looking at the hdzero goggle freestyle bundle, but this dji footage! What's the deal, Goggles 2 or hdzero. I love Linux, open source, I love hdzero, I love the goggles, but ultimately I gotta know what the deal is. Dji seems to kill it on range, but hdzero will... improve? Thank you
It is a hard choice; you aren't alone on this one. DJI has better image quality, but the latency is variable based on signal quality. HZero has the fixed consistent low latency, but the image quality is lower because it uses less RF channel width. The other hard part is every pilot is going to react to that variable DJI latency differently. Some people can just adjust to it and keep on going, but others need that fixed latency to consistently perform. When it comes to range, DJI wins.....at the moment, lol. We will have to see what the increased range and penetration modes do for HDZero. It is a very very tough choice at the moment given all of the recent HD link advancements.
@@BaconNinjaFPV awesome thank you so much. Sorry to make you answer twice. I asked you in two videos, lol. Just anxious. I may wait a couple months and root for hdz from the sidelines then. Thank you!
It sure is :) There are some cinematic modes that aren't available without the Goggles 2 or Integra, but they are little used anyway. Quality options are all the same though.
It's OK... I don't like the standoffs in the shot and props in the shot is ok for me. I'm intrested in the Siren 5 split but after seeing your footage I have to rethink on that frame. Its hard to find a frame that can fit 03 camera with that wide lens.
Yeah, the plates in the shot are annoying for sure. Good news is when you get the Siren F5 with the O3 option, they are sending plates that don't show and soft mount at the same time. I should be getting mine in this week so I can see the difference!
@@BaconNinjaFPV quick suggestion.... you should do a step by step or video about setup on the 03 unit. I haven't seen any TH-camr do that video and for beginners coming into FPV with the 03 unit I would think that will help the agarrhythm.😉😀👍🏼
4:3 is still not a square.. that would be 1:1, but of course the rest of your argument still stands in comparison to the much flatter rectangle of 16:9.
very true!! I was just keeping it overly simple since I figured most people who needed that info would just naturally call it a square vs rectangle situation. Geometry is on your side my friend! lol
lolol, hey...im not cheating on HDZ, just doing a little flirting with DJI. I want to be able to fly all of the systems, so I can't really see myself picking just one. HDZ is going to be in my lineup for as long as they keep making it!
yeah I kinda didn't like that either, but with the stock plates on this frame I just couldn't get it out of their. Good news is lots of frame manufacturers are shipping with or offering considerations for this now, so hopefully that won't be too much of an issue in the future! Quadmula is sending me the soft mount plates designed specifically for this camera, so I am going to have to try those out and see how much better it makes it!
They are super distracting for sure, lol. There are new plates for this frame designed to soft mount the O3 and keep the plate out of view, so hopefully when I get those in it will be a little more viable.
Yeah, that was one of my least favorite things about it too. I used optical flow for the time interpolation, but it just didn't smooth it out much better during the frame loss. I am going to try 60 and see if it is any better. Thank you so much!
At the moment the Goggles v2, Goggles 2, and Goggles Integra all support the O3 system. On the v2 goggles there are some specific versions of firmware that you have to run, but the other two options support it natively.
yeah we have an international airport north of town so there are tons of planes coming in all the time. Where I fly is one of the few spots that actually has something other than a cotton field and isn't in controlled air space, lol.
it would be great if they could do that!!! In theory, you are totally correct that it should be able to work that way assuming their is enough processing power on board to crop the on board recording as a secondary stream to what the transmitter is setting.
Compared to what you can get for not that much effort, for $600 goggles and selling your soul to the CCP, this looks bad. Weight and cost are factors, but the footage is barely passable imo. If you want to save 50 grams for a good camera, get a lighter battery. This feels like a solution looking for a problem. Edit: for FPV as a pilot, it’s obviously fine. Only talking about this DVR.
Lol, some really valid points! It really comes down to what the pilot wants from the footage, and for some it is just not going to work at this quality. Personally I am going to keep running my Bones because I like the resolution, color depth, and dynamic range, but some people just don't want to do anything to their footage outside of toss a track behind it and upload. As for the goggle feed, it is absolutely a terrific system. Range an penetration are about as good as it gets for video links in the current market...as long as you aren't going over 13km, lol. I really appreciate you sharing your thoughts on it!
@@BaconNinjaFPV thanks for your reasonable response. There’s no one-size-fits-all solution for FPV. That’s what makes it so interesting. For anyone reading, I would also heavily suggest watching Chris Rosser’s video posted today that depicts the heat problems of the O3 module. On full power, with poor airflow, or in a hot climate, there’s a considerable risk of the module overheating and shutting down.
@@Flumphinator For sure, FPV is great because everything is so centered around what the individual pilot needs are. It makes it more of an art than a science, and for me that is one of the many things that I find so interesting about it! As for the operating temps, I can't wait to test that in the Texas summer with some real world use case. It is either going to live, or die, there is no in between, lol. Ambient temps of 110+ should put it in the high end of what it can do and that should be pretty interesting!
@@BaconNinjaFPV as a Dallasite, I think I’ll stick with Walksnail and HDZero! I’ve seen surface temps on construction sites above 160. That sun is no joke.
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More than good enough for me. Everyone in my group loves this system
It is pretty darn good! I think I am still going to wind up running a Bones just because I like the color science more, but that is only the creative part of things for me and this thing is plenty good for sharing flight footage without it.
@@BaconNinjaFPV very well put. keep up the good content good sir.
Damn dude, this was the exact video i needed to see. I dont fly much freestyle. I fly cine BUT prefer to fly 4.3 and this has sold me that the 2.7K is totally acceptable.
Yeah it limits you for sure when you want to run 4:3, and I reallllly don't like having to run 16:9 if I can help it, lol. It is absolutely acceptable, and honestly will be even better once I swap the cam plates out for the O3 designed ones Quadmula is sending. I am surprised someone hadn't already shown it this way on the TH-cams!
my favorite superhero movie is the greasy strangler! You should see it if you haven't already.
I am going to have to check it out!! Sounds like it would be right up my alley, lol.
Perfect timing. This video answers a bunch of the questions that I had since I've got the V2 and only fly low latency and was looking for better details without and additional lag.
yeah I hadn't seen much on it floating around the interwebz, so I figured I might as well share my thoughts on it and help clarify. I am not big on the higher latency modes, so it really does limit the usability of the camera in some situations. Some pilots will be fine with that, and others will hate it, lol.
@@BaconNinjaFPV I took my vista 5" drone to Oklahoma Broken Bow and there was a ton of trees did not have a bunch of room to fly. Wish my video feed was a little better to see all the ghost branches. If it was my every day spot I would of figured out the lines. I ended up cutting my flying time short since I did not have my super long pole with me. I think either a smallet ducted drone or O3 Air Unit would of been the better choice. Will see how it goes next year. Oklahoma is beautiful.
Quadmula F5 is awesome,i have that frame and i love quality and prints.Wait some motors and star build.I can't wait :)
BTW you have great flying skills,tnx for review new DJI stuff and happy flying :)
The QM F5 has been a great little frame so far! I only have 20 or so packs on it at this point, but I can already tell it is going to give my other premium frames a run for their money. I also agree that their prints are some of the best looking I have ever gotten with a frame kit. Thank you so much, and I appreciate you stopping by!
I really didn't want this to look this good, dang
Sounds like it's time to crack open the wallet and start going broke! Lol
@@BaconNinjaFPV I'm already broke, so whatever, we only live once 😆
Thanks for the info! Great video! Was waiting til Dec 20th for my 03’s but rdq got stock the other day so I cancelled from dji. I’m stoked to get mine!
You are welcome! The whole stock situation is rough right now. Glad to hear RDQ got you in sooner though! Nothing worse than waiting forever for the new toys when you want to play with them, lol.
@@BaconNinjaFPV Exactly bro! 😂😂
I've gotten to the point where I only throw on an action cam if I'm doing some commerical work, or if there's something really special I think I might want to capture. I've found most people aren't interested in watching how I fly for minutes on end, but it's really interesting that people will watch a short goggle dvr clip. Most ot the time I'm just focusing on having fun flying, and video is a far distant thought.
In 2022 that’s most definitely the case for a lot of pilots. By now even the general public has seen and now has a limited attention span on flying vids. I watch bacons channel for the comic relief he brings and he just seems like a super nice guy so I support channels like his. This 03 allows me to record my flights for the chance to catch that one flight or trick that can’t be duplicated
I almost always fly with an action cam, but that is mostly just for me. I agree with you that most people couldn't care less about flight edits unless they are cinematic shots of interesting places. I just like to make something out of the footage for the creative process more than anything, and dipping my toe into the videography side of this stuff is a fun way to do it. Usually I just set my GoPro settings once and fly it like that every time without any variation. If I want to add a creative touch in post I will, but I agree that the camera isn't there for the flight or the quality of it at all. It is all about the background track and how the colors add to that for me, and sometimes I watch my videos back just to feel them as a visualizer for the music, lol.
Thank you sir, and I completely agree with you!! I remember wayyyyyy back in the day when I had only been flying a couple of months, I made a little video where one of the main points was "nobody cares about your flight edits" and that holds true still, lol. I try to make it more about creativity and expressing my personality than just straight flying. I like the feel of the whole thing being a shared experience among a group of friends more so than a pilot skill show and tell. I really appreciate you my friend, and you have been here since the very beginning. Can't thank you enough!
@@BaconNinjaFPV I just like using TH-cam's disk space for 4k videos and to track my progress over time. Plus being non monetized, I can put music I like on for when I feel like looking back. And I'm enjoying learning a bit about davinci resolve along the way.
Very informative video. Just got my 03 au to link to my rooted V2 goggles. I fly with a Runcam Orange 5 so the 03 au recording looks perfectly fine. 👍🤓
Thank you!! I really think that this will be a perfect replacement for an RCO5, and probably even a little better if you wind up flying in 4K rather than 2.7K. I hope you enjoy it!
I like your style! Keep it up! For example I watch Botgrinder and I’m probably one of the few that’s not interested in pot and his whole pot vibe but I like his content style! As it’s entertaining. Your on par and even better!!! Keep up the good work and you’ll be a huge TH-cam influencer.
Thank you so much!! I am with you on the no interest in pot or that kind of lifestyle, I just like Bot for his personality outside of that and his raw honesty. I try to bring my honest opinion to things and keep the feel of my content in a "group of friends" kind of vibe. I really appreciate you, and idk what I will do if anyone is actually influenced by my content, lol. Sounds terrifying!
heck yeah you got the quadmula frame. I just got mine last week. How are you liking it?
I am really liking it so far! Super clean gyro traces....now we just have to see how many more crashes it takes to break things, lol.
Ive been flying 4:3 for the last 4 years. Figured i'd hate 16:9. After a couple packs on the o3 it didn't really bother me much. End product i think comes out a bit better if you're willing to fly in 16:9
Yeah I don't mind 16:9 when I don't have any other options, I just really do prefer that additional top and bottom when it is a native 4:3 cam. I do completely agree with you that if you go 16:9 with this that will absolutely give you the best resolution results!
great video. had wondered why i couldnt set my cam to 4:3, thanks!.
btw flat gives you less contrast, and a wider dynamic range. so you can get contrast back in post.
you are absolutely correct. I had meant to say something related to shadow detail...but it was like 1AM and I used the wrong words, lol.
@@BaconNinjaFPV lol no worries.
That song went so well with the flight. Great video broski
Thank you man!! I spend soooooo much time picking appropriate background tracks, lol. Usually more time than I spend actually cutting the edit and doing color grading.
Awesome rundown on the thoughts here. I’m in the process of putting an 03 build together. Looking at the siren f5 split frame as well. My issue is seeing the stand offs. MurderFpV had the same issue. Is that the siren f5 made for the 03 unit? Sean Chen said it’s possible to get rid of it in some instances. Any feedback ? Appreciate the channel 🙏
It is a great frame for it!! QM is adding soft mount plates for the O3 to keep those carbon plates out of the shot when you select the O3 option in their store now. I should have my replacement plates this week and I will for sure put something up to show them and hopefully it won't have that issue. Thank you so much by the way!
@@BaconNinjaFPV sick , I’ll be on the lookout for that video for sure. The option to go without a GoPro is an awesome advancement. The siren f5 frame seams solid , and easy to work on. He said at 25 degree and below , there should be no frame in the shot. Looking forward .. 🙌🏼
This is exactly what I want to do, apparently I need to research my camera settings, maybe I'll still be stuck buying a go Pro, or maybe I should just stop caring just do it for fun lol. Nice video 👍
honestly...I like a gopro for all of my stuff even with an O3. Then again, I like to do silly things with my footage like color grading. If you are talking about the same thing from your comment on the other video, I really think it may be something with an export setting somewhere that is getting you!
@@BaconNinjaFPV I broke down and bought a thumb pro, I want go Pro so bad but I can't see blowing 499 on a good crash. Thank you for your response 👍 keep up good work brother
o3 cam quality is fine, but this props in the view are not. The problem now is to find the compatible frame that allows to record without props
yeah props in view is going to be a real pain for some people. Personally I don't mind it, but I only really do freestyle and it just lets you know what level of stabilization was done on the footage. If having the props in view is a deal breaker for you, then there may be a couple of freestyle frames out there than can do it and deadcats as always can get it done!
Its sure good enough, it just a bit expensive right now for me,
Stay safe bro
It is reallllllly expensive...I wish that wasn't the case. I think a lot of people are going to keep rocking the vista and wait on this for sure.
See I havent been flying very long. About 3 months. The first month I was on analog with a BNF ( fatshark dom V3s and 800mw vtx) My drone friends I've made already were on DJI. I couldnt fly with them without constantly being knocked out of the sky. Went to DJI and I really love it. The root hack made everything what I needed to be. But for the price and features im scared to try that 03 air unit stuff. A vista rooted with full OSD is the prefect system in my eyes. Im sure things will change with updates, but for now if its not broke, dont change it.
Hey, fly what you like and enjoy it! Nothing wrong at all with sticking to the last gen DJI stuff, in fact I think a whole lot of people are going to do just that. The price for O3 is worth it in some aspects, but for sure not in every case. For me, it is just going to be another thing in the line up for use when it is the right tool.
@@BaconNinjaFPV I actually got a O3 unit for 195$ shipped+tax on black Friday deals. So considering a vista costs ~175$ with tax, it was a very close deal. But you can get a RunCam wasp for less too, so that's another option for a budget hd video.
Thankyou very much. Great stuff! It's enough I would just find a way to not have the guards in the way.
You are very welcome!! Yeah the cam plates being in view is unfortunate, but luckilly Quadmula has new ones fit for the O3 that will also soft mount the cam. Gonna swap those out soon and see just how good it can get when you push it!
@@BaconNinjaFPV Nice! I came out with a frame and a couple days later thee 03 came out so going to make a new mount for it built into the frame and another as a freestyle pusher with no props in view. Great channel enjoy your honesty and take on things!
I’m sold on the 03 image. Gonna run it with V2s for now. Once they add support for Mavic 3 mini, I’ll buy into the G2s…. Maybe. Also, Deadpool.
running it with the v2's is honestly the best bet anyway. Having both sets of goggles, and not being blown away by a 1080 feed from the Avata in the G2, I just cant recommend that kind of money for them in the current use case. DEADPOOOOOL!
If you where using a better frame for the O3 wider FOV then I say yes this was good enough for a basic freestyle edit.
I fly in 4k120 16:9 with the O3 in the GEPRC MK5 O3 Edition w/ELRS EP1 and the V2 goggles. Set to Normal FOV and the quality is epic. Props are just kinda in view and absolutely no frame or stand offs in the shot. My all up weight with a 6S 1300mah is 658g
Yeah there was a little too much standoff in this one for sure, lol. I did swap everything over to the O3 kit for this frame though, which got rid of all of that camera plate and standoff with the Normal FOV. The weight for me is about the same as yours on this build, but I still find myself running a gopro on top......I just can't get over the difference in color grading yet. Maybe we will get 10-bit color on the O3 like the avata got, and mayyyyyyybe that will convince me 100%.
@Bacon Ninja FPV for real I also wish the O3 had a mic for the motor noise like the OG Air Unit does.
@@BaconNinjaFPV I thought the 03 camera was the same camera in the Avata. Why no 10-bit color?
@@jmillerfpv it has it now after a firmware update! It didn't when I made this video though. You have to be using DCinelike mode to enable it though.
Adjust the camera position or get another frame that doesn’t show up in the feed and yes, I think this is good enough for freestyle for someone that doesn’t want to run an action camera.
Yeah it does take some adjusting for how flat the front of this camera is compared to its depth. I should get the O3 plates for this frame soon, so hopefully that carbon in the top corners will be out of the picture once I swap them. I agree that if you don't want to run an action cam, or just want to lighten your build as much as possible, it can totally be done with this system!
That was actually a very informative video. I think it solidified my decision to hold on upgrading from the old airunit for now. Will be interesting to see how the new frames will adapt to this new camera cause i have to say those standoffs in view are for me super distracting compared to the clean cut image you get with a mounted action cam
Yeah the standoffs really are a pain sometimes. I did another video on this frame though after they had sent me their new O3 compatible soft mount plates and they are totally gone :) it seems like quite a few frames are getting modified to do the same, and i forsee loooooots more of that coming down the pipe. I don't disagree with holding off being a reasonable choice though. I jump on the new things because...well...they are fun to talk about, lol, but that isn't how it always works in the real world.
@@BaconNinjaFPV I am grateful that you didnt hold off cause we go that awesome video instead
It looks good enough for my freestyle edits thats just what i think though i know everyones a little different on how they like their footage but that looked ok enough to me
Everyone has their preference for sure! It is absolutely useable, no question, and much easier than running a separate camera for HD footage.
If staccato is a quickly separated note in music Bacon Ninja flight style = "Stickcato" for all the crisp beat defined movements.
Someone was mentioned last week you've your own "thing" maybe this is it? or do you have a verb to describe your style?
oh; yeah still paused... it does look good... but then i'm watching on my phone and never really experience 4k much anyway BUT if you can keep it clean with all your crisp moves, it appears good for Deadpool-Build
lol, yeah I am never sure what to call it really. Some people call it greasy...because bacon...but idk what it is really. I figure there probably isn't too much of a point in trying to pin something on it since I don't see it as something that will really catch on and need a name, but I guess if I had to do it I would go with greasy!
I bet it looks it's best on a phone! Really though, that is where most people go to consume FPV content anyway so I guess a small screen is the best way to assess it. It is great for minimal effort! lol
@@BaconNinjaFPV Greasy it is.
do you fly to: 1) an actual beat, like a metronome 2) a beat run through your head or 3) fly while listening to a specific track??
the timing of each "random" movement catches so nicely, which is what gives the actual style... Aerial Dancing but in a (Rave)nous way... either way -love it
It’s great tech, that has to be said! It’s nice looking clearly good enough for TH-cam, but I still don’t see it replacing my GoPros (and not just cuz I dislike DJI).
One GoPro is still a hell of a lot cheaper then an additional set of goggles plus AU per quad. Also: camera settings are set once per session on my GoPro flying different quads, instead of changing it up for every single quad.
Then you have pilot feed vs cinematic settings, can’t strap an O3 to a mountain bike or a helmet, and although I don’t race I seriously dislike variable and/or high latency.
To each their own, but for me, all-in-all I’d rather take the weight penalty, cuz every other practical reason points me towards using my GoPro.
I prefer 4:3, but im still getting me a 16:9 goggle in the near future as the FOV is big enough to also operate at 4:3 for 4:3 native cameras.
It is indeed a great system. The range and penetration of the video link is for sure the best option outside of really long range focused scenarios. I agree that a whole fleet of these things makes no sense...I might have 2 and that is going to be about it, lol. Having a nice camera that you can swap in and out starts to make the most sense when you have a decent size fleet and you don't want a bunch of random parts configurations running around. Where I am most excited about this system is in the 3" or cinewhoop realm. I think for a small quad, being able to get decent footage without carrying an action cam at all is going to make a lot of sense, and for cinewhoops having a backup recording may also come in handy plenty of times. Personally, the Bones is still going to ride on top of this O3 quad...I just like the creative control it allows for way more than the convenience and weight saving of the air unit. Ultimately though, for those people who just want to dump it off the SD card, throw a track behind it, and post it up, this may win out.
@@BaconNinjaFPV I see your point and feel the same for the most part. In shear image quality and penetration, no question it’s the most capable system! (Low light not so much, but that’s a whole other can of worms)
But considering I already have a fleet (and action cams), spending almost a grand to put the O3 system on only a couple of quads to save some weight on those just doesn’t make sense to me at this point.
I can crash and destroy a few naked GoPros for that price if I really need to save some weight. I already do on my LR quads and cinewhoops, but I’ve never really crashed any of those.
Penetration has never really been an issue for me (😏), nothing I can’t push through. I find that a little breakup actually helps me with orientation of the quad relative to my position. So for freestyle I’ll make due with my hero 9 or my peanut. (Not to mention the rumors about an upcoming new Session.)
If I ever move into paid gigs and/or cinelifters it might make sense, but until that time (or if the price ever comes down significantly), I’ll take the weight penalty for granted like we have done for years.
That’s just my take, but everyone should decide for themselves what their priorities are for their applications.
Nice video. Info wa s good 👍🏻 I’m going 03 with v2
Thank you! I think O3 with v2 is probably the best choice you can make when getting into this system. Nothing wrong with it at all, and you still get most of the additional features while saving yourself a wad of cash!
Cant get over those rolls. I don't know if it is the way you have your camera mounted or your technique but it is very unique and signature. Very nice video.
lol, I just sit the quad down, put my thumbs on the sticks, and get lost in the moment. How it happens, I have no idea! Thank you very much, and I always appreciate your comments my friend!
@@BaconNinjaFPV At what angle is your O3 camera mounted?
@@bboyM4rk0 I run mine at 15 degrees.
Better than everything but a dedicated Gopro. And it'll grant me more courage to fly harder. For the kind of footage I usually record, this is fine.
It is pretty nice not worrying about how badly I just destroyed a $400 GoPro when I crash hard, lol. I hit that pavilion, flung the quad about 50 feet into a metal pole, and it stopped on the concrete walk way. No biggie at all! I would have felt a little cringe if it had a GoPro sitting on top for sure.
@@BaconNinjaFPV not to mention free 150g.
Hi...thanks for this
2.7K is good quality and much easier on the memory and processing.
I realize you did not stabilize the footage. I rarely do. However, the ease and simplicity of DJI stabilization may change my mind.
I've never used a gopro, I'd kill it for sure. I think Bones was Gopro''s realization and answer to losing money on fpv replacements. So small a market, they couldn't identify the failed gopros specifically with fpv crashes. Now, they can...just like dji with their session 5 knock off.
When you say flat color profile, is it D-Log, or D-Cinelike? If D-Cine, I'd just as soon record in normal. Color correction (white balance adjustment) and color grading is a PITA. In my opinion, LUTs are too specific to look good universally.
i'd like to see same video without the LUT, which serves it's purpose for this video, but is more effort than I want to put into it. So, I got you beat there.
Also, if you can give your experience of G1V2 versus G2, that could help. $650 is a lot of money for an upgrade to V2. Is it worth it?
You are very welcome!! Yes, the ability to just throw Rock Steady on might just get more people to stabilize their footage since it is so simple. I just never do since my flight style really doesn't look natural with any kind of stabilization, lol. By flat, I meant the D-Cinelike that DJI offers...not as good as GoPro flat, but it is ok. I like to use LUT's, but usually use my own primary conversion tables first and I hardly ever use the same LUT twice with the same settings. I just like that added layer of creativity! I will for sure have more vids on the system where I just show the raw out of cam footage because I agree that lots of people will just leave it on regular color and put it straight up that way. As for the G2 vs V2, I really don't think it is worth the money at this point. If you care about nothing except the quality of the pilot feed, then the G2 has a little bit of an edge, but not worth the money to me. The OLED's and diopter adjustments are worth it for some as well, but I really only care about being able to see obstacles and past that I am not picky.
I had to hit stop really quick to add my thoughts and I think it’s fuckin killer!! Question, being a n00b and only shooting cinematic until I put the 03 unit in my first freestyle build, what, if any modifications can be made to lessen that blind spot(nice choice of music btw) caused by the recessed camera mount? With the camera footage being so rad, your videos will take on a new dynamic with the kickass video quality while taking off a lot of the added weight by being able to lose the action. camera. The trick then becomes protecting the 03 unit from crash damage. Fantastic informational video, Bacon! You covered a lot of growing concerns with the difference in the 2 and V2 goggles paired with the limited performance in the 2’s. Great job!!
lol, yeah I thought the lyric was appropriate for the use case! Lots of frames are already or currently redesigned with keeping the plates out of view in mind for the O3 system. When it comes to this particular frame, there are new side plates which soft mount the camera and keep them out of view...I am just waiting on them to come in :( It is a trade off between protecting the cam and getting the most out of it for sure. Personally, I don't like the limitations of the color grading on this camera so for my pilot preference I will keep running the Bones on top and take the weight hit. Not that this quality isn't perfectly acceptable, i just want those creative controls back that the color depth of a different camera gives me. Everything is a balance!
Interesting, did you update the firmware on the goggles v2? I’m afraid if I upgrade firmware I will lose v
1.06 and not be able to hack the mw adjustment which works on my vista, DJI air units. I’m not sure?
Yes, I sure did update the firmware. I basically upgraded to 0606 in the FPV series, then rooted, then updated to the latest in the consumer drone side. Now that I have done that, when I go back to the FPV assistant it shows a totally different firmware path than it did before. You will for sure lose the ability to do the power output hack...which is sad. Personally though, I found the range and penetration to be more than sufficient as is just running the normal 700mw output but that is totally up to what you are doing with the quad.
Your favourite.....hdzero or dji?
ooooooof....I can't pick favorites, lol. They are just two tools for different things, and they are both good and bad. I will say though, at the moment with the current HDZ VTX's, for freestyle DJI wins. You just can't beat this range and penetration. I am not personally really picky about the image quality for the pilot feed, which probably isn't a normal thing for most pilots. I just want to be able to see branches and obstacles before I hit them, and both systems do that for sure. DJI just does it better more often with it's style of break up, even if it does mean less consistent latency. Now for racing, HDZ wins all day every day!
@@BaconNinjaFPV I agree completely
Yayy!
I think it's good enough
Me too! Its not the best I have ever seen, but it is far from the worst.
Definitely think it’s plenty fine for freestyle!
I think so too. It isn't the best, but it by far isn't the worst!
@@BaconNinjaFPV worth the trade offs to me I think.
One day I’ll get into that system I’m sure
Have you had the issue I have where you record in 2.7k 4:3 with IES disabled and Wide recording enabled. Whenever I add it to Gyroflo its just a blacks screen when stabilization is enabled, when I disable stabilization the video is back...
I have not had that happen at all...sounds really weird. It just goes to an all black screen with you enable smoothing? It sounds like maybe there is something up with how it is reading the gyro data. I would for sure put in an issue ticket on it over at the gyroflow github and see if they can't work that one out.
@@BaconNinjaFPV Thanks for the reply. I'll try and make a video about it so that its clear to see what the issue is. Maybe it can help someone else too like the devs
🤔 This makes me interested in Dji, was thinking of going HD0 but this really change my mind, since i don't have any gopro or HD0 yet this is looking really interesting to save weight, i don't do cinema so that isn´t a issue, is the pic a bit dark or is it just me?
It does come out a little dark, and that is mostly just due to the exposure algorithm and color depth in this cam. The shadow details aren't great, and since I was going for minimal effort I didn't try to push the correction into making them look better. I think HDZ is a great system, everything just has its particular use case. For my micros HDZ does a realllllly great job, I just fly such large spots with bigger quads that it struggles with range and penetration. I wish there were a way to run DJI in a VRX so we didn't have to lock ourselves into one ecosystem :(
What camera you use to film your self?
I am actually just using a GoPro Hero 9 black for my main cam. Nothing too fancy, just a lot of tweaking to get it to look the way I want.
The standoffs are super annoying, but it looks great 👍.
I'm a 16x9 weirdo 🤪 so that's helpful
lol, yeah hopefully the new O3 plates they are sending me will get those stinking things out of there! If you are a 16:9 pilot, then heck yeah just run full 4K and call it a day!
Man I have that frame and that stack. The speedybee f7 v3 right ? Man those m2 stack screws what a pain.
Yeah it is the SBF7 v3. It sure doesn't want to fit in this split, lol. Quadmula told me that they really recommend the standard F5 if you are running this stack since it is taller than what they expect to go in the split....but I love a split deck. I don't mind the M2 stack screws much since they fit the gummies nicely with the silicone sleeve over them, but there was no way I was getting those little printed caps on these things with the SB in there. I used little M2 nuts and they just look like they are crying trying to hold back a flood of gummy underneath them, lol.
@@BaconNinjaFPV yeah that's exactly what I had to do as well. The 3d. Printed m2 nuts included with the frame didn't fit for me. I used the tpu mounts for the capacitors I wish other frames came with those.
I'm not using GoPros for freestyle. Just for professional work.
I bet the quads fly great without a GoPro on them too!
@@BaconNinjaFPV im positive they will. Great video quality, maybe not as good as a gph 11 but better than a session 5 , plus a lighter build! How can you go wrong? People hate DJI but you have to admit, they're single handedly advancing the industry. Outside of my recently destroyed tinyhawk 2 freestyle, I don't really have experience with Analog. I've only used digital.
Absolutely good enough in my book. Whether you like them or not, ya got to hand it to DJI, once again they've taken FPV to a new level for the majority of pilots.
I've bought up a bunch of old generation vista units on the secondary market for bargains from pilots moving to the O3. If I wasn't already setting on several GoPro's I probably would have went with the 03 right off the bat. I still love my HDZero as well, I think their primary niche is in (especially now) racing and tiny whoops. Or those like you and me who fly in the desert, haha.
The 03 in my experience is finally at the quality I had imagined fpv should be. When I first started out in the hobby This is what I dreamed it would be one day. Yeah you’ll have the Dji haters riding the latency issues but in my book there are no issues. Your brain adjusts to the feel and some of my sbang friends say they fly like the did on analog.
@@creationlabsinc.189 I did notice the higher latency when I added DJI to my analog and HDZero fleet, especially with the polar camera. I started flying my routines and smashed my quad into the ground trying Matty Flips through some some small trees a couple of times. I flew it up higher until my brain adapted. The wasp isn't as bad with the lower latency. I do still notice that HDZero and Analog feel more connected, but I can adapt to the difference pretty easily now.
@@RebelGoatFPV my experience as well. I hated the polar camera experience so I installed only nebula pros or og cam. After 2 years digital I refuse to go back to analog for only a connected feel. It’s such a small negative in my experience I’ll trade visually stunning over feel any day
@@creationlabsinc.189 My remaining analogs are my bashers. I use them to learn new tricks or fly in risky environments. Edit: My polar is now on a long range quad, the rest are wasps, og, or nebula pros.
Video looks great but those standoffs in view kill me. Great video
yeah the standoffs kill me too. Quadmula is providing me some of their soft mounting cam plates designed specifically for the O3 that should take care of it though!
$650 not $600 as of the date this video posted
Good catch! The whole promotional price thing that was floating around, and continues to randomly float around at different stores, has been a bit confusing for the market. It looks like most places have gone up to that price and just a hand full are still down right under $600. Not sure if anywhere is going to honor that promo price if someone gets a preorder in though.
Would it be possible to fly with 810p 120 FPS with the V2 goggles and record in 1080p or 2.7k 60 FPS on the air unit? I wouldn't like the file size of recordings to be that huge when I will convert it all to 1080p 30 FPS in the end anyways
unfortunately it isn't possible to fly in a different frame rate than you are recording in :( the resolution is no problem, but whatever the goggles are set to will be the frame rate no matter what you do.
Wow, thanks for the quick reply!
Well I guess the two biggest advantages of the O3 vs. Air Unit and Caddx Vista are that you don't have to put an action cam on your quad, so there's less weight, less cost, less drag and less damage when crashing and second the H265 encoding allows for much better image quality when the signal gets weaker. Below 5 Mbps the old system would produce a very muddy image while the O3 will still produce a very clear image. And the situations where the signal gets bad are exactly those where you need a clear image to control the quad (inside buildings, close to trees, close to the ground etc.). I don't get why they don't have an option to record at lower FPS, they would just have to skip frames. Also it should be no problem to receive the raw image for FPV and record a processed image. Makes no sense that all settings apply to both outputs (except for RealSteady).
Nonetheless I think those are just minor downsides and overall it's a good upgrade. The fact that it's too big for most frames and the camera would pick up the props can easily be solved by creating a mount where the action cam would normally go.
@@BaconNinjaFPV Actually I found the changelog of an update from January which enables 120 FPS recording with the Goggles 2 and 30 FPS recording with both the V2 and Goggles 2. So I assume the latest firmware did indeed enable the option to record at different framerates than what you're flying with. The Goggles 2 video feed is still limited to 60 or 100 FPS and the V2 video feed is limited to 60 or 120 FPS. If that's truly how it works and you don't just receive a 30 FPS video feed and some frames are skipped on the Goggles 2 when recording in 120 FPS, that makes the O3 pretty much perfect.
The update also enabled 10-bit D-Cinelog for even more contrast and dynamic in the images.
Awesome flying and video, dude! 😃
My issue is the price per quad with this system. It's too much! Other than that, it would be fantastic even for rc cars! (Yeap, I'm weird... I do FPV with rc cars!)
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Thank you bro! It is suuuuuper expensive to rig everything out with these. I think that I could see myself having two for daily drivers, but not a whole fleet worth for sure. I love FPV on RC as well! I have a ton of crawlers that get FPV rigs thrown on them occasionally, lol. I won't argue with you being weird, but still :p
it looked good enough to me
its really not too shabby at all!
@baconninjafpv ahhh. I'm so confused. I'm new to your channel but I really am looking at the hdzero goggle freestyle bundle, but this dji footage!
What's the deal, Goggles 2 or hdzero. I love Linux, open source, I love hdzero, I love the goggles, but ultimately I gotta know what the deal is. Dji seems to kill it on range, but hdzero will... improve?
Thank you
It is a hard choice; you aren't alone on this one. DJI has better image quality, but the latency is variable based on signal quality. HZero has the fixed consistent low latency, but the image quality is lower because it uses less RF channel width. The other hard part is every pilot is going to react to that variable DJI latency differently. Some people can just adjust to it and keep on going, but others need that fixed latency to consistently perform. When it comes to range, DJI wins.....at the moment, lol. We will have to see what the increased range and penetration modes do for HDZero. It is a very very tough choice at the moment given all of the recent HD link advancements.
@@BaconNinjaFPV awesome thank you so much. Sorry to make you answer twice. I asked you in two videos, lol. Just anxious. I may wait a couple months and root for hdz from the sidelines then.
Thank you!
@@XtianApi no problem at all!! If you take the time out of your life to write something, I am going to take the time out of mine to reciprocate :)
@@BaconNinjaFPV you da man. Just found your channel but I dig the intelligence. I hate shills and reviews that can't contain excitement. :)
is the record quality the same in the v2 googles as the 03 air unit ?
It sure is :) There are some cinematic modes that aren't available without the Goggles 2 or Integra, but they are little used anyway. Quality options are all the same though.
It's OK... I don't like the standoffs in the shot and props in the shot is ok for me.
I'm intrested in the Siren 5 split but after seeing your footage I have to rethink on that frame. Its hard to find a frame that can fit 03 camera with that wide lens.
Yeah, the plates in the shot are annoying for sure. Good news is when you get the Siren F5 with the O3 option, they are sending plates that don't show and soft mount at the same time. I should be getting mine in this week so I can see the difference!
@@BaconNinjaFPV ooohh... well then. I did see "03 option" in the kit.
I thought it was for the VTX and camera! Sweet😀
@@BaconNinjaFPV quick suggestion.... you should do a step by step or video about setup on the 03 unit. I haven't seen any TH-camr do that video and for beginners coming into FPV with the 03 unit I would think that will help the agarrhythm.😉😀👍🏼
4:3 is still not a square.. that would be 1:1, but of course the rest of your argument still stands in comparison to the much flatter rectangle of 16:9.
very true!! I was just keeping it overly simple since I figured most people who needed that info would just naturally call it a square vs rectangle situation. Geometry is on your side my friend! lol
@@BaconNinjaFPV LoL… in geometry if it has 4 90 degree angles it’s a square. Rectangles are fake… like birds 😂😂😂
Oh nooo. Bacon ninja you’ve sided with the devil. Is this the end of HDZERO content?
lol, nope not the end of HDZ by any means. I just want to fly alllll of the things, no matter what video system they are using!
Your a trader to hdzero, fried bacon 🥓 hehe. Nice video bro.
😂
lolol, hey...im not cheating on HDZ, just doing a little flirting with DJI. I want to be able to fly all of the systems, so I can't really see myself picking just one. HDZ is going to be in my lineup for as long as they keep making it!
+1👍yessir 💪
It wasn't too bad! Not the best I have ever used, but by far not the worst. Much better than throwing a thumb on the top of the quad, lol.
Damn bro. YOU CAN RIP
Thank you! lol. I just put my thumbs on the sticks and they do what they do.
I think it would be fine, but only without the obstruction on the top left & right.
True but that will come in time when frames and setups are designed for the new camera.
yeah I kinda didn't like that either, but with the stock plates on this frame I just couldn't get it out of their. Good news is lots of frame manufacturers are shipping with or offering considerations for this now, so hopefully that won't be too much of an issue in the future! Quadmula is sending me the soft mount plates designed specifically for this camera, so I am going to have to try those out and see how much better it makes it!
For me nope, The upstands in view ruins it for me. Very apt song title though!
They are super distracting for sure, lol. There are new plates for this frame designed to soft mount the O3 and keep the plate out of view, so hopefully when I get those in it will be a little more viable.
Didn't enjoy the video - it was too 'flicker book' for me. Perhaps a 60fps would have been easier on the eye. Love your flying style!!!
Yeah, that was one of my least favorite things about it too. I used optical flow for the time interpolation, but it just didn't smooth it out much better during the frame loss. I am going to try 60 and see if it is any better. Thank you so much!
Is O3 air unit support any other goggles ?
At the moment the Goggles v2, Goggles 2, and Goggles Integra all support the O3 system. On the v2 goggles there are some specific versions of firmware that you have to run, but the other two options support it natively.
All I can see are the chemtrails blocking the sun and stretching into the entire sky!
yeah we have an international airport north of town so there are tons of planes coming in all the time. Where I fly is one of the few spots that actually has something other than a cotton field and isn't in controlled air space, lol.
firmware fix should fix a 4x3 flying and recording in 16x9 4k at the same time keep complaining to dji
it would be great if they could do that!!! In theory, you are totally correct that it should be able to work that way assuming their is enough processing power on board to crop the on board recording as a secondary stream to what the transmitter is setting.
You have something against a level horizon ? The jerkyness is so distracting I can't even evaluate the image quality.
Compared to what you can get for not that much effort, for $600 goggles and selling your soul to the CCP, this looks bad. Weight and cost are factors, but the footage is barely passable imo.
If you want to save 50 grams for a good camera, get a lighter battery. This feels like a solution looking for a problem.
Edit: for FPV as a pilot, it’s obviously fine. Only talking about this DVR.
Lol, some really valid points! It really comes down to what the pilot wants from the footage, and for some it is just not going to work at this quality. Personally I am going to keep running my Bones because I like the resolution, color depth, and dynamic range, but some people just don't want to do anything to their footage outside of toss a track behind it and upload. As for the goggle feed, it is absolutely a terrific system. Range an penetration are about as good as it gets for video links in the current market...as long as you aren't going over 13km, lol. I really appreciate you sharing your thoughts on it!
@@BaconNinjaFPV thanks for your reasonable response. There’s no one-size-fits-all solution for FPV. That’s what makes it so interesting.
For anyone reading, I would also heavily suggest watching Chris Rosser’s video posted today that depicts the heat problems of the O3 module. On full power, with poor airflow, or in a hot climate, there’s a considerable risk of the module overheating and shutting down.
@@Flumphinator For sure, FPV is great because everything is so centered around what the individual pilot needs are. It makes it more of an art than a science, and for me that is one of the many things that I find so interesting about it! As for the operating temps, I can't wait to test that in the Texas summer with some real world use case. It is either going to live, or die, there is no in between, lol. Ambient temps of 110+ should put it in the high end of what it can do and that should be pretty interesting!
@@BaconNinjaFPV as a Dallasite, I think I’ll stick with Walksnail and HDZero! I’ve seen surface temps on construction sites above 160. That sun is no joke.