Upgrade Your CR10 To Dual Z Lead Screws - Chris's Basement
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- We upgrade the CR10 to dual lead screws. Awesome upgrade! My machine is good as new!
00:00 Intro
02:36 The Kit
03:01 Hardware Install
08:59 Wireing
12:28 Finishing
14:20 Conclusion
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Thanks Chris, for the explanation as to why a dual Z axis screw may be necessary, as well as a test to see if your printer could really use it. Also a great explanation and example on how to install it. I know that this video is four years old but it is still very relevant.
Thank you!
Thanks for another great video, Chris. I have often thought about adding the dual Z to my CR-10, but couldn't think of a reason why, since it prints so well. Thanks to you, I now know why I WOULD, when I SHOULD, and that I COULD, and that is GOOD (GOULD)! Many thanks, and keep them coming
Thanks Ron! Never know when you might need to upgrade.
I am guessing that you have to 'disconnect' the steppers in the control panel and manually turn the lead screw to get it to match the existing prior to leveling the bed? or does the x axis rail just king of fall in to where it belongs?
The X it still pretty rigid, so you will be pretty close when you install it. but you a quick side to side line before the bed level would be a good thing to do. I went back and did it after the video, forgot to do it before the intial bed level, but it turned out pretty well.
Thanks Chris, I've gone the belt route rather than the second stepper. I have all the bits, now to do it. Cheers
Awesome! Let me know how it goes.
Shall do
Awesome video as always
Thanks Rickie!
Great explanation and attention to detail for a noob....thanks
Thanks! Glad it helped you.
Chris verry good as always
richard
Thanks for watching Richard!
Great video I just added a second z to my cr10 mini
Thanks! Sweet! It's helped mine out a ton!
Did you have to cut the rod?
Thanks Sir. Same issue here, looking for upgrade kit right know.
Good luck with your projects. Thanks for watching
Great video. Now time to hunt for a Wild CR 10 to domesticate.
Thanks James, the CR10 is elusive.
Way to go Cris
Thanks Larry!
Hey Chris. Just a heads up ...I'm subscribed and just saw this vid...a couple pointers. I do a vid called leveling the x-beam which actually does away with the play at the beginning of your vid...dual z is better, fair enough however you should perform that adjustment irregardless.
Another observation is; on my dual motor z cr10s there is still Z height drift every time I boot it so I added a mechanical belt to link both z motors. Presto. No more leveling the beam every time you boot up.
Nice! I will check it out, sounds like a great fix.
What is a mechanical belt? Show us a pic
Hi, really appreciate your videos. How do you calibrate the heights on both ends now? I did the same upgrade and rotated the new rod manually until they were balanced. Wonder if there is a better way.
I do the same as you, I just get them close and level the bed after.
Thanks for the confirmation :)
wonder if this could be adapted to the Ender 3?
Great channel BTW - Thanks
Thanks! I think it can, I will get getting to know the Ender 3 here in the next couple of weeks. We will check it out.
Awesome- I ordered a Ender 3 last night - hope to have sometime next week. Again thanks for the great "how to's" - they are very helpful. I am watching all the ocotprint ones next, I had it running, but getting camera to work, failed. So I started a new install on a 64 gb sd this time around. Who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks! Great work!
Is it actually necessary to loosen the X belt tensioner/idler? Seems like you could get away without having to break those machine screws loose, although it's always good maintenance to check that you're happy with the tension and that the screws are tight when you're done.
Hey Jim, I don't remember now, I might have just been trying to line it up better. I would have to go look at it again.
After some time with this upgrade do you consider it to be worth it, essential or just ehh? I'm on the fence with this since my A10 prints ow so well, but more consistency is king.
I've been considering the belt dual Z option since the Z's will always be in sync not like this with Dual steppers, with possability of getting them out of sync. * still having a field day with my Tronxy CoreXY lol
Yeah, it's just kind of meh, don't think it really improved much.
I see a lot of folks doing this upgrade on the cr10 mini - I'm not sure how much less the width is vs the cr10 but do you recommend this on a mini?
I don't know, it wouldn't hurt anything I guess, but not sure it would be much benefit over the shorter run.
Does the Vref need adjusting if I'm running an mks gen l with drv8825 drivers when doing this upgrade? Thanks. Keep up the good work man 👍
Thanks! Try it out, if it starts to skip then turn it up a bit.
@@ChrisRiley I've got 2 MK3s but picked up the CR10 for £60 with an ezbal and E3D gold hot end, mks gen l. Is the dual Z upgrade still relevant or to go with the belt and gear at the top instead?
@@acgkplh I would say it's still relevant, but the other option with the belt works too. I think the extra Z rod is probably a little more consistent.
Hi Chris, i'am burn my z axis on my ender 3 moderboard!!! WHY???
Nice vid laughed a bit when you said you would wire the motors in serial.
Anthony Williams Ha ha ha! I was wondering if someone would catch that. Series, serial, close enough. Thanks for watching. You all keep me honest. ;)
@@ChrisRiley That's a parallel connection, not series.
Thanks Chris for the video. Now, after 2.5 years, how is it holding up? Ever consider using true dual z (not serial / parallel ) and z- stepper auto align ( G34)? Looks interesting.
Hey Mark, it runs great. I was actually thinking about doing a video on G34.
@@ChrisRiley Chris, that would be great.
They make an upgrade kit just like this one
It comes with the control board and wire harness Would that be a better upgrade than hooking it into parallel connection ?
Sure, that would be good. The board will probably get you some silent steppers as well.
Thanks Chris, found an extra part @7:00 forgot to watch this part. Got ter Done! Happy 4th of July
Awesome! Happy 4th!
Would this be possible on the ender 3? assuming you remove the power supply.
I think it would be, but the parts are going to be different and you will have to relocate the power supply.
There's a CR-10 kit on a big retailer website from comgrow, but people have had luck with the ender 3. i just bought one and i will try it soon.
You know, on a printer of this size, that second lead screw should've been there from the factory. Looks like "that will do" attitude is all over this printer. "Form before function" rather than the other way around. I was planning to get CR10S but on a second thought, I'll build one the way I want it . Like the channel, keep creating!!!
Thank you! Yes, the CR10 was definitely value engineered.
Wouldn't the stepper motors be wired in parallel?
I haven't looked at this config in a while, but I think I remember that cable running them is series, but I could be wrong.
patrolmaverick yes you are correct full speed half torque parallel. Half speed full torque series. Parallel cuts amps series cuts volts. If he used 12v motors on a 24v system he could do series
Did you have to adjust the stepper driver?
I didn't, mine runs around 850 ref voltage.
I watched a video recently explaining why having the "guides" or however you call them, bearings.. at the top of the Z lead is bad because you're essentially translating any wobble that may be in the lead screw
If the rod is bent even slightly, that would be the case.
@@ChrisRiley right, with that, any recommendations on good manufactures? and thanks for the vids btw
@@dinosoarskill17 Thanks! It kinda depends where you live. Here in the states I have good luck with www.zyltech.com/
Just got one for my printer. Mine has a problem where the first few layers get squished because the carriage is too heavy. Hopefully this solves that problem.
Hopefully this helps you.
@@ChrisRiley yup. Got it installed and my first test cube print was 20mm on all sides
Hi Chris I did not see you un comment the dual stepper motor in config._adv_h is it necessary? how about Vref on the driver? Thanks
The way these are hooked up, you won't need to alter firmware. You should be able to run the drive at 800mAh.
Thanks Chris I have been running like this for six months and it is OK just curious
@@Buster6X6 The dual stepper motor in the config file is for having the second stepper motor connected to a second driver on the board. As far as the controller is concerned with this mod, it is driving one motor which is taking extra current. It may be necessary to tweak the driver current up a bit, but probably not necessary as the two motors are still carrying the same load though with the Z axis level there is less drag on it, so not drawing much more current than running just the one motor.
BAHAHAH ! I havent had to watch this one...... TILL NOW ! Im hopin you cover setting up 2 Stepper drivers in here as well :)
snarf :(
Yeah, just 1 driver on this one.
so is it harder to keep a machine with dual axis tuned and printing well?? any tips since i have one one the way...thanks
There are ways to keep is consistent. I prefer dual Z, but I would use POM nuts to keep the tension on the Z rods. They won't backfeed that way.
@@ChrisRiley do you have a video explaining how to install and what the heck POM nuts are and where to find them ...thanks
@@roadstar499 Basically they are self-lubricating plastic nuts. www.printedsolid.com/products/ldo-t8-pom-nut
Hi Chris, why you need a new Z endstop cable, is not the same of original? thanks for your good video....
Hello! On this machine the motor cable and endstop cable are all in one wide ribbon cable. So you don't have to replace it, it's the same, but it's all in one, so they include it in the new cable as well.
Thanks Chris, in my ender3, i use this: www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B07J6539QX/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o07__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 for steppers and i dont need to change the end stop, so good!
@@josepenalver652 Oh, nice!
what changes in the printer with this update?
The biggest advantage is you don't get the X carriage droop. It keep the level with the bed more consistent.
Would this kit work on the tornado?
I'm not sure, the screw locations might be different.
It does. I put this on my Tevo Tornado.
WOULD THIS WORK ON TEVO TORNADO
Maybe, not sure if they use the same parts.
14:00 is that White Lithium Grease?
Yes it is.
The motors are in Parallel NOT Serial
Thanks.
Hello Chris i got the CR-10 Mini and having problem with the Z axis keep it level i was looking upgrade kit to change it to dual axis and found this, i a m noob with electronis and 3d printing so do you think this can be install in my CR-10 Mini hope you can help me! www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07B6JZ8MG/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A1LBN2V0Z4JGUA&psc=1
That seems like a lot for a dual kit. There has to be a better way to get you to dual Z. With that said, on a mini I don't really think you should need it. You might just need some adjustments to get it dialed in.
@@ChrisRiley thank you i will keep trying to adjust Z axis but Cr-10 mini doesn't have many support. today i am watching your firmware upgrade and boot loader to install a filament sensor but i don't have the LCD board adapter you show in video because in my country 3D printing is in baby steps right now, Thank you and keep going you are a big help to noobs like me. Thank you for your time
Thanks for showing how to sync the steppers so the gantry stays straight. Your prints are crooked. lol
You bet!
Except you didn't... I was being facetious.
@@Motovader72 I know I was being nice. 😀
If you had said you were being facetious I would have peed a little. 😂😂
@@Motovader72 LOL
Just as always your videos are very helpfull ... PS - Myfordboy released an alternative method for dual axis upgrade without using second stepper motor,without control box opening/modifying . th-cam.com/video/-ASBhJiU8NI/w-d-xo.html
Thanks! That's an awesome setup, thanks for sharing!
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