Drop-top duel - Porsche 911 Turbo S versus Aston Martin V12 Vantage S
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The Aston Martin V12 Vantage S Roadster is the convertible version of the British manufacturer's best and most desirable model. But does it compare favourably to the brilliantly resolved Porsche 911 Turbo S Cabriolet? Steve Sutcliffe finds out
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The Aston would make you feel like a hero every time you drive it.... Epic
Turbo S all the way.
what would you rather be seen in though?
nahhh. "I drive a Porsche" or "I drive a V12 ASTON MARTIN"
IIXRATEDIIHiTMAN to me if you add 911 turbo s on the end it sounds just as good.
unbeatable...
Vantage is soo much more beautiful! I would take Aston Martin over Porsche any day (Except Carrera GT, 918 and 997 GT3. Those cars are godly).
Porsches PDK is more of a technical achievement than the entire Aston Car.
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True but many people buy these cars for the way it looks, sounds and makes them feel. In many cases you are buying automotive art, not a an whitegood appliance with the best specs.
You’ve never driven an Aston, so no point in commenting.
RWD & V12 music, yes please :)
it's awd isnt it?
Soulware3D The Aston is RWD
anotherone10
my bad, read it wrong :)
I feel bad for the porshe's driver because he can't put his foot down at the flybys with the Aston, because Porsche will be too far ahead. (at the end for example)
I think the Turbo S is better looking in and out.
u can choose the colors and materials in expensive cars , u don't like aston interior because its black , while porsche has red which is very catchy to eyes , imagine aston interior in red and porsche in black .
i like both cars but u cant judge cars interior by looking in videos or pics , u really need to feel it , and u only feel it when u r inside that car .
DEEPANKER DHIMAN nothing to do with the colour of the interior, the Aston looks outdated every where
Kingsley Mpofu yes ........ because they are using same design because of its 2/3 ratio design which makes the aston unique than other cars . and for designing it is very hard to make different car design which follows 2/3 ratio we can't even imagine how hard it is . other car brands does use this ratio so they came out with new designs every year which makes the aston outdated .
DEEPANKER DHIMAN Bruh give it up. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion the porsche quit frankly is a better looking car but the aston does have a nice grunt to it however i do agree that the aston is outdated
Actually I have no idea what he's on about, when he's talking about the charm of the Aston. To me the Porsche also looks so much better from the inside and the finish is top notch without any cheap looking plastic vents and buttons.
Porsche's leap forward with the current generation of 911's is nothing short of staggering.
The AM used to look better than the Porsches but now it just looks old. It is almost 10 years old now, isnt it? Maybe it's time for a new model? Or is AM in deep financial shit again?
I don't think they were ever out of it
It's not like the Porsche has changed much.
Soulware3D No, but their design gets constant modifications and even though it's practically the same, the car looks new and modern. The AM looks its age even if it is prettier.
Jimmy Joji I didnt ask them to change it completely, but to give it a facelift. It's not like modern day AM look like Connery's DB5. Designs need to stay up to date. Crisper lines and light clusters, better grill, etc.
Sandouras It still looks sensational to my eyes, few cars are better looking me thinks.
That Porsche just eat's the AM for breakfast, and no Steve The AM has nothing on the Turbo-s , inside & out ...it beats the AM
Agreed
Jimmy Joji
You are joking right? Torque is the most important thing on the road, same for fuel eficiency..
Jimmy Joji Son!! what you just said is bull-shit ,you are clearly miss informed
the Performance numbers of these cars are very important..and that means all the difference on the public roads .you talk about fan-boy did someone here stole your fucking Aston Martin poster ? the PORSCHE is just the better car .
1300l thank you ..well said
i understand how u can like the porsche but seriousl how can u choose it over the aston
The aston's interior fit and finish is shit.
Yes I have been in an aston martin. One of my neighbors used to have it. The fit an finish is much better in the 911. The aston's interior is really really dated.
MrLalasd what aston? modell.. and year
MrLalasd If its any 2004 and younger Aston that you are talking about, you clearly are full of shit (maybe your "neighbor" had cheapest complectation?).
Dorifto Kingu! A 2004 vanquish has the same interior the current vantage. Just look at how ugly the steering wheel is. Have you seen a BMW's m steering wheel or mclaren's steering wheel ... so gorgeous. The Aston is hand made so to fit and finish is bad. The dials don't make sense, the soul key is fucking stupid and the user interface for stuff like climate control and what not is unusable. That screen is tilted down who ever did that should be shot. Also the seat controls are on the middle console part. So every time you use your knees to keep your self in the seat the seat moves.
MrLalasd Firstly 2004 Vanquish interior does not look good (but 2004 DB9 does). Secondly I personally find Astons interior and steering wheel beautiful and suiting car's role (its luxury grand tourer not GT class car..). And you are telling me that BMW's steering wheels are better? 2015 and 2014 M models have thinner wheel (finally) but older steering wheels look bulky as fck. Ugly. Dials don't make sense? Learn how to read... How is climate control unusable? Tilted screen is bad? 918? How would you use your knees to stay in seat? What car do you drive?
I wouldn't buy either car for handling precision, so a big, naturally-aspirated V12 and the more exclusive design/badge win it for me.
Get a gt3
Middleastbeast Exactly. I'd get a 997 GT3 RS for about the same money and have a lot more fun. But that's not what the 991 Turbo S and Vantage S are about.
Astons aren't good cars and theres a reason why Porsches are one of the best cars that hold there value. Porsche are very exclusive Aston have bad technology for what they ask in their prices
Aston any day, just because something is technically brilliant doesn't make it likable...
Or unlikable.
Shift4g Equally so.
At the end of the day, people buy expensive cars for how they make them feel. No one buys a car because of a spec sheet of numbers, its only fanboys on youtube who drive civics and have BMW posters who think like that.
Well it is likable to me you dumbass.
NikoBell12 You have a BMW Cabriolet as your display picture. How are you calling people 'dumb ass'...
The Aston Martin is the better looking car by far. Hands down, it is one of the most beautifully crafted cars ever made. That is enough for me any day.
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:) No problem
Typical Autocar review comparing a British car to its rival: the British car is worse in every way, but it's still awesome because it sounds nice. No bias here whatsoever by these British journalists.
Worse in every way?
looks?
sound?
the way it makes you feel?
i guess that in the 'youtube' world these things are trivial compared to the car being a few seconds a lap slower round a race track (which no owner would ever take their car).
Are you saying Aston is too slow?, its a convertible which reaches 60 in 3.9sec ffs.
M3Conv Reliability, performance, build quality, technology, practicality.
Aaron C
When your driving an Aston v12 with the roof down i somehow doubt you are worrying about any of those things.
you must be German :)
Jimmy Joji You're taking this a little too personally. I didn't mean to offend the Aston Martin fan girl club
IIproductionsII
Traffic light races?
I presume you drive a civic?
V12's are just so amazing
Marry me, please.
Diana McFarland
So is a 3.8L twin turbo flat 6.
and extremely unreliable!
that aston bonnet..what have they done.... :(
Shut up.
sutcliffe trademark- slows down car, music shuts off, "...Have a listen to this." Steve, you're the best.
There is no victory for the Vantage here.
I like that they didn't only compare numbers Because a car is so much more than only numbers. That's what the GTR kids can't understand
Knowing that the Aston's engine is made from two Ford Duratec V6s and is still made by Ford in Germany somehow spoils the car for me.
4:36 Someone needs a currency converter. How is 240,000 any where near a million?
Im not usually leave comments but your reviews are the best i found it better than drive or evo reviews
Keep the good job 👍
Great review 👍
Lets be honest here. Aston Martin - which I love - is on the edge of bankruptcy, because they have not build a completely new car for 10 years, and they are in dire need of a larger company to give them the technology, which they need to get closer to rivals like Porsche.
I actually also think, the Porsche look a lot better. With those airvents in the bonnet, the V12 Vantage just looks a bit clumsy in my opinion.
If it was my money, I actually would buy none of these cars. It would either be a used (and by now very cheap) Aston Martin Vantage with the V8 engine, or a brand new Porsche Boxster S with the 3,4 liter non-turbocharged 6-cylinder boxer engine.
Because to be honest again, for a roadster these cars are already more than powerfull enough. The huge amount of extra money, which you need to pay to upgrade yourself from 320-380 to 550 hp is just not worth it, as you can never use that extra power on public roads anyway.
Who cares if the Porsche is faster?! I mean I love the turbo s but we're talking about really powerfully cars! What's the difference between 500 and 600 hp! It's already a powerful car! So stop comparing the faster car! It's all about the feeling! The cabin, the interior , the connection with the road! I absolutely adore the Porsche but I'd take the Aston Any day! What a beautiful machine! What an amazing engine!
This guy finally gets it, stats don't make a car a super car, the feeling it gives you makes it a super car.
Sutcliffe giving another win to yet another British car that's clearly not even on the same page as the Turbo S. Talk about bias.
aston is an aston at the end of the day. it just feels that much more luxrious, brand name, how it makes you feel than any of the german cars (Albeit they are fantastic)
turbo flat six sounds great too
The Brits are SO bias when it comes to cars and pretty much everything else British! They just cannot help themselves. While I would not turn down an Aston Martin I would prefer the Porsche any day.
Turbo S is much better on the road and track, but Aston sounds definitely more expensive.
My choice is all the way Turbo S. Im curious what will be Gt2 or Gt2 RS what a monster of handling and precision.
Love Aston's, wish they had the option to have a Manual Vantage S
Great review. The new Porsche Turbos are a very quiet car. Such a silent killer of a car. The 991 carrera c2s/c4s actually sound nicer to me. I can appreciate the love for the raw V12 in that vantage, I mean, who doesn't just love a naturally aspirated LOUD engine when you're paying top dollar for a supercar?
Awesome clip and review. The Porsche Turbo S is insane. And as near perfect as it gets. And beautiful. And pedigreed. And a BARGAIN! Yes. Bargain. Blows everything out in every category and lasts. I owned an 80's 3.2 Carrera and all I can say is I would rather have a 20+ year old 911 over just about everything available. Fantastic.
Did you see that drift at 6:19? Sick...
Thing is about Aston, is that they keep on making cars with different name, that look the same!
DB11 Roadster vs 991.2 Turbo Cabriolet, PLEASE!!!!!
I love both these cars so much, for very different reasons! I wouldn't know which to choose. Probably 911 in the end for actual ownership of the car, but it would be such a though choice!
The 911 has my vote. I'd LOVE to take it on a trip from the French Riviera up to the UK. And it would be perfect in doing so. The Aston would look good doing so too but the Porsche is just more capable.
Small gripe and being nit-picky but the Aston costs £147,000 (as per this video quoted stats). That's around $242,550 depending on the exchange rate to US Dollars - I wouldn't call that the thick end of a million dollars, more like almost quarter of a million dollars.
Also if that Turbo S is 4 wheel drive it has the most bizarre handling of a 4 wheel drive I've ever seen - it just looks rear wheel drive and tail happy, smoking the rear tyres during oversteer while the fronts stay planted.
If I ever was lucky enough to be able to choose between the 2 it would be the Porsche by a mile.
I'm pretty sure you can get the V12 with a manual gearbox too. If only Aston bothered a bit more with the interior that car would be epic
I'll have both please! Great test as well, better than top gear..:-)
I would love a video explaining Porsches hydraulic engine mounts
What a surprise that an english car journalist would prefer english car despite the other car being better in everything that matters in sports car. "Objectivity" appears to be something of a mystery to these guys at Autocar.
For me, the sound and the feeling of luxury comes AFTER performance.
When the Carrera GT came out with its V10, it's sound was on top of it all.
I find it extremely irritating (and strangely odd) that he feels the need to b*tch about the gearbox when all Ferrari, Lamborghini, Pagani & Koenigsegg, among others, used the same or similar sequential single-clutch gearbox designed by the same two companies (Graziano & Getrag) yet makes absolutely not one peep about them in ANY of those cars...
To me, when driving the Aston, the missing stiffness was more than annoying. And that's exactly where the Porsche makes you smile all day long...
These are two absolutely great cars. If I ever had the money, I'd want the Aston Martin but would probably buy the Porsche. The question is, however, purely hypothetical.
Multiple Aston Martin owners have told me over the years that these cars are some of the most unreliable cars you can imagine. They need constant expensive maintenance and there's always something that needs to be repaired. I really like them though, but if I wanted to spend that amount of money I'd expect a little more than good looks and a loud exhaust.
Maybe it's just me, but I prefer the red interior of the Porsche than the bland black of the Aston.
"..I don't care that it does all sorts of things not very well, because the main thing is does well - it does brilliantly - and that, is how it makes you feel when you're sat here behind the wheel."
^ In my opinion, that summarizes Aston Martin for me. I love them for this reason even though I KNOW a Porsche or Ferrari would chew it up.
A head to head race would be nice..
I actually do own a 997 techart turbo and a Aston Martin DB9 V12, and vantage V8 the thing the a lot of you guys not all but most don't seem to realize is that each of the cars are made for different scenarios of life you need to look at a car as a personality the Porsche when you get in you don't want to cruise you look for twisty roads and open straights to let it go in the Aston you want to get dressed up and park it in front somewhere while taking the long way home just to go for that long cruise at the end of the day no mater how hard they try when you actualy get into it Porsche is a real everyday race car absoloutley stunning in every aspect of the word driving while Aston is a beautiful relaxing drive which makes you feel like a million bucks regardless if you have it these are completely different cars this shouldn't even be a review lol
why don't they fix the rev meter or is that an extra option to correct it
Im a Porsche guy, but I prefer the looks and sound of the Vanquish. I prefer the performance and comfort of the Turbo S. I think they are both overpriced however. Get a C4S Cabriolet and have 98% of the fun at tens of thousands less. Or get a Boxster GTS, have the same fun, and spend 1/2. The Turbo Cabs are big heavy cars in their own right, only looking lean and taut when compared to legitimate whales like Astons and Audis.
The Aston V12 with a 6 Speed Manual = Perfection.
looking back now 2020 for me its no question the aston as long as someone else pays for maintenance
Toujours aussi excellente vos vidéos ! Messieurs les journalistes français, vous devriez vous en "nourrir"...
Thats why i want the gt3 its rwd fun to drift sounds insane and revs to 9k
Is this Longcross in Surrey?
I want both.
Thick end of a million dollars?!? I don't think so.
There shouldn't even be a question of comparing these two cars. The Turbo S is light years ahead of the Vantage. This doesn't means that I despise the Vantage, I do appreciate the Aston too, but when you're talking about performance, Porsche is incomparable.
So in most american cars (left hand drive) I have driven with paddle shifters upshift is on the right and downshift is on the left. Is this reversed in right hand drive cars?
Would a regular stick shift transmission be reversed too or do right hand drivers sit closest to 5th and 6th gear?
Shifting is the same. Right hand drive, down paddle on the left, up paddle on the right. Manuals are the same in both lhd or rhd.
the interior in the aston looks like a mondeo!
BEAUTIFUL GRAND TOURERS ... perfect gift for your wife or girlfriend or mom or aunty or grandma.
Or your uncle, brother, dad, or son.
alfamonk well...that's if they like automatic transmissions. I'd get my dad or uncle a gt2rs. These are excellent GT cars... Perfect for the ladies that shop on rodeo drive. Or a simple ride up to the estate in the country side.
These are good, comfortable, luxury daily sports cars. A racing transmission is wasted in peak hour grind.
People seem to forget the new Porsche GT3's kept catching fire and required all to be recalled for new engines!
Would have to go V12 Vantage myself. 911s as convertibles look a bit awkward.
Who gives a toss that AM is 10 years old, Its been my dream car 10 Years on
Why not have both, have the turbo S in coupe with its 4wd when you don't know what the weather is going to be like and the Vantage convertible to cruise?
So the sales pitch is:
It does not do much well but it sure makes you feel good being seen in it.
9 min went so fast !
I would go for the Porsche. The Aston might make you feel special, but only every now and then, when the conditions are right. But I would enjoy the Porsche all of the time.
Nearly any Brit who reviews an Aston practically wets themselves gushing over how their country actually makes something almost worth having.
Astons interior just looks so dated.
He is doing his very best to convince himself and all of us that the Aston is on the same level as the Porsche, but there is no way it can compare to the best sports car ever made and thats the Porsche 911 THE GOAT!!
To make the story short, the Porsche is the better car, but buy the Aston bec engine noise is better...geez...
Just another video of an English car getting spanked by a German car and an English dude being patriotic.
And somebody calls V12 Vantage S front heavy? LOL there is a reason why they have put the engine front-midship and there is a reason why they have put the the transmission on the rear axle. The weight ratio should be like 52/48, and it's pretty good for a front engine rear drive car. No. There won't be any understeer madness, if you know what you are doing.
Steve clearly stated 911 turbo S is a lot quicker, and I fully agree. But we are not talking about the rap time here, but talking about driving on the road and having fun. Just like Steve I would love the V12 noise of Aston.
Put a manual gearbox in that Aston then it'd be perfect. I mean just listen to that thing.
Typical Autocar review comparing a British car to its rival: the British car is worse in EVERY possible way, but it's still awesome because it sounds nice. No bias here whatsoever by these British journalists, yeah right..
Surprising this test didn’t include the 5.2 V12 from Mercedes in the Aston.
Wanna put both of the cars in my garage.
Imagine... Listening to a British guy go on and on about a British car... Never thought I would see the day... Cheers!!! :)
I looked a a lot of cars including the DBS for various reasons ; to flashy , to much baggage , Reliability or just a grand dad car (DBS) I did buy the
992 Turbo S it was not overly flashy
It did not come with the Exotic baggage , it’s a great daily drive and then the performance.
no substitute for NA V12
For something for performance-serious as a coupe, I'd say the Turbo S is the better choice. But for something you take out on a sunny day for a joy ride, the V12 Vantage S convertible is the way to go.
For the money I wouldn't buy these two but their awesome machines!
Aston FTW. Steve is right, how it makes you feel is better and for me that's all that matters.
This could of been set out so much better to show the viewers the point of both cars like manual vs pdk. As nearly every one knows dual clutches are in a league of their when it comes to paddle shifters so comparing the Aston to the Porsche in paddle form is pretty pointless.
In my own oppinion it would of been better if it was layed out like this:
British vs German
Efficiency vs Simplicity
Manual vs Paddles
Forced induction vs Natural aspirated
Damn, I want Aston. Porsche is better car in every way (except beetle looks), but Aston for me is the class. Not giving a damn about lap times, acceleration, top speed. Just stoping by casino, hotel or whatever and giving your keys to that young boy, who will have to park it and seeing him trying to contain his happiness. Beeing James Bond to yourself, a hero, that doesn't care too much about the others, numbers or whatever he left behind. I simply don't see porsche in that picture. I see it on a track or on winding road giving everything it's got, what is different kind of fun. Lap times are not important, you can't measure the class Aston Martin got. I just couldn't buy porsche instead of it, just for that possibility to say "My Aston Martin".
AM just for the looks and sound
Speed is great and all however, I would never be able to use it all on the street. I see 10 porsche's on the road everyday while rarely seeing an aston martin, the aston is beautiful, sounds incredible and is much rarer than a porsche, for me its aston any day
the porsche turbo s cabrio is one of the best performing convertibles out there and is a masterpiece on a track but its just a stretched beetle with added grunt and it looks no different to any of the other 911 variants. You'd be mad to have the turbo'd beetle over the beautiful v12 aston
Guys stop arguing over which is better. They're both excellent cars and I'm sure no one would knock either one back if offered a drive let alone ownership. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and when it comes to cars of this quality, the choice is subjective. No one is right or wrong when both cars are outstanding in almost every way. For me, I'd have to flip a coin, couldn't choose between these two, or can I have both? 911 for Saturday an the Aston for Sunday.
I'd take a Pcar over any AM except for the One-77, unless we are talking about the 918, in that case I'd take both the One-77 and 918.
Autocar DIDN'T pick the porsche? Wow that gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling inside :)
Sorry but in this case I would opt for a 458 Spider over both the Turbo S and the Aston if I had the money. I love the Turbo S with it´s static roof, but as an open top I just can´t get to terms with the looks. The Aston Martin still looks great and sounds amazing, but the dash and the steering wheel has age to it even that it is high quality. IMO for an open top; the 458 Spider looks better than the Porsche, Looks as good as the Aston and sounds as good - Above that it is dynamically contemporary in all aspects (except fuel economy perhaps) and I would guess it delivers more thrill than both the Porsche and the Aston for a sunshine trip on a winding road.
I'd just save a few grand on the V12 S Roadster and get an old school stick & clutch.
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Damn, didn't think the Aston was that small.
Not me either :) But when you think of the 911, it's actually quite a long car!
It's those huge overhangs and four seats.