I don't fear the abyss as if it's some magical concept.. are we talking about death? I don't want to die just yet, but not because I'm afraid of what Hades will do to me, or whatever god/concept you wanna go with. Where's the option for just not subscribing to that stuff.. I'm certainly not unique here.
@@MrGobsmack They are old. What do you expect them, jump around? It's gripping enough, to take it in you're better off calm. You don't seem quite mature about it...
Check out Stevie Ray Vaughan Live at the El Mocambo. Roughly 450 person capacity and he played like it was a 100k seat stadium. He's one of the best in his field like Jordan is in this field.
Thanks for editing down I've found the final few minutes of this lecture particularly powerful. It's also heartening he's now pouring out his passion to the world & not just a small hotel conference room.
If the teachers and priests throughout my childhood framed Catholicism like this, and not cryptically in Catholic language, I reckon I would still be going to church
@@thurstt9158 It is not that simple. Jesus' message was to follow him (imitate him). We need others to struggle together with to figure out the best approximation of what that looks like as we study scripture. We are all different and have something to offer others. I would partially agree that you don't need church, the physical building, but you do need others to walk with. We are just built for relationships.
@@DanielVoyles Jordan Peterson is an idiot that has no idea what he is talking about. As for following Jesus we would be far more socialistic if people followed what he actually taught.
Imagine how many other professors who are similar to Jordan but aren't getting the limelight because they don't wanna deal with everything that comes with 'taking a stand'. If you ask me, there plenty of Jordan Petersons but they're probably just as worn out from the SJW/feminist/Marxist shittery as the rest of us
I just graduated with a master's and had I no professors that would associate with the social justice types. An econ teacher with Soviet experience was the most enlightening. The problem is more pervasive in other areas, it's not all of academia.
coojsta69 The guy devoured all the material on totalitarianism that he could and assimilated a ton of knowledge from other thinkers too, both inside and outside academia (Russian novelists like Dostoyevsky and Solzhenitsyn for instance) coming up with his own insights along the way. He didn't just receive his education in school; the presence of the formal education system doesn't taint everyone within it so long as they have a genuinely critical mind. A curious person can't stop being curious and won't narrow their gaze beyond that which is necessary to accomplish their goals.
Harris not working for you? Their debate on the nature of what is real is very much like I'd imagine a debate with Hitchens; Harris (as I believe Hitchens would've) adopts the mainstream rational materialistic viewpoint: rational inquiries into the causal nature of material reality constitute the sole ground from which we humans are able to gather true knowledge: "Yes, there is a field of grass and these are the reasons why it exists." Morality is seen as something which in the end is a rational and social construct, without any inherent truth to it as such and often utilitarian when put to practice. Peterson on the other hand, while not devaluating the importance of this objective and (through measurement) descriptive reality, recognizes that we humans need a moral truth: we need to act and make choices in life, otherwise we could just as well die. I.o.w.: "Yes, there is a field of grass, fine. Now, what is the best way to walk through it?" This is where Peterson's Darwinism comes in. He believes nothing to be more true than "that which selects". In other words: There is an actual morality that exists outside of human, subjective opinion and which works in the Darwinian sense. This selecting, natural force led to the archetypal (biblical) stories we are all familiar with and which can guide and inform our actions, thus being more true than material reality. Not what is, but what works (in the Darwinian sense) constitutes true knowledge. This is where their discussion reaches a sort of final stop. Please correct me if I am wrong (anybody). Greetings from Amsterdam!
+Xargxes That sums it up pretty well. It's just baffling to me that they had a disagreement over this since both positions neatly fit together and make perfect sense. Bloody obviously humans have developed inherent axioms about what should be, since only those who did got to suceed. It effectively boils down to a complex system of many individual factors finding its stable state, and the ways how this stable state ultimately manifests itself is known to us as morality. It is exactly the result you would expect and the way of conduct mythological stories deal with. It arises from the same presumptions about the world that we need to make in order to approximate scientific theories to reality. It is absolutely coherent, and now all we're arguing is semantics. How we use the word "true". The concept they both refer to is exactly the same. I just do not get how they didn't see it.
Nevermind314 Yeah, exactly, what defines "true"? That is what the disagreement is ultimately about. It is weird because at times it seems so elusive and slippery to put the finger on the exact place of disagreement, and then at times Dr. Peterson's Darwinian definition of "truth" seems right at hand and so obvious as well. But then again, the thing that puts me off is that I can not believe that it is actually that simple, as Harris has a very subtle mind and seems to be generally consistent and intellectually honest. I keep getting thrown around...
What Peterson is saying here is very similar to Zoroastrian philosophy. It's also worth noting that the three wiseman who foresaw the birth of Christ were Zoroastrian priests. The following was written by Yezdi Antia, a Zoroastrian sage. The Freedom to Choose."We do not choose to be born. We do not choose our parents. We do not choose our historical epoch, or the country of our birth, or the immediate circumstances of our upbringing. We do not, most of us, choose to die, nor do we choose the time or conditions of our death, but within all this realm of choicelessness, we do choose how we shall live: courageously, or in cowardice, honorably or dishonorably, with purpose or adrift. We decide what is important and what is trivial in life. We decide that what makes us significant is either what we do or what we refuse to do. But no matter how indifferent the universe may be to our choices and decisions, these choices and decisions are ours to make. We decide. We choose. And as we decide and choose, so are our lives formed."
It's so frigging satisfying to hear someone put into words, these things I've been feeling and questions I've been grappling with and trying to sort through in my head. And as always, with each stage of clarity, comes the next set of stages revealing even more uncertainty and questions to torture me. Trust in God
Peterson is very eloquent and skilled in speaking. I very much agree with Peterson's moral views; however, I don't exactly possess the same vocabulary nor the speaking skills as Peterson does. He's a great thinker and speaker.
I'm a sceptic, looking for evidence of a god. I've listened to the best each religion can offer. Jordan Peterson is the only man that has convinced me of the concept of a spirituality that we must all embrace to save ourselves from annihilation.
+David Durden I would agree that any decently educated college student should be able to, alas the capacaties to do so seem to be deminishing among college students.
+David Durden I don't know it for a fact either, I was merely getting the impression. I wouldn't compare Peterson to Hitchens. I don't really see why it is deluded to believe in the belief in a god. Nor would I characterize Peterson as cowardly. But then again, I don't know the man, just some of his lectures.
All my conscious life--about 35 years--I have been trying to express, unsuccessfully, with words, what Dr Peterson just clearly and winsomely said in a few minutes.
This clip is incredibly depressing because I'm watching it wondering how is it that this man can only be heard on little known TH-cam channels and why is it that he is not leading a nation.
he's an actor, he's an incredible stupid, frustrated little shit that pretends to be smart he actually believes that morality can only come from god ... he's a braindead idiot
Hayzemet My guess is that Michiel Van Kets is hard core atheist and passionately hates anyone who is remotely religious. I say this because he is on several of these comments saying exactly what he said here. Michiel you say he is stupid, an actor, an idiot, and you are trying to discredit his intelligence....but you haven't provided anyone examples of his idiocy other than express the fact that you hate his religious beliefs. He has videos on so many topics but you haven't addressed any of them.
Glad I could find this clip again, it was deleted from a different source and took me a bit. One of the most profound speeches I've ever heard. Thanks for uploading.
I was in the car and listening to the second talk he gave on the book of Genesis. What astounded me, over and above his commentary, was the content and quality of the questions at the end of his presentation. Not only does Dr. Peterson draw crowds to, what many perceive to be a stale topic of biblical studies, be he draws some brilliant minds in their own right.
It doesn’t matter if people are dumber than they think they are or maybe even smarter. It’s about the debate and flow of ideas. A common mistake people make is thinking a debate is about being right or wrong. It’s not, it’s about finding the truth by listening to each other
Tbh its pretty cool how spending time listening to a guy like JP can really fire my thoughts. I try to take the time to absorb and evaluate what I hear and see if there's some threads that I can tie together with other things I've learned either from others or on my own because I don't want to just utilize the copy/pasting of factoids method. I'm sure some do just try to sound more intelligent than they are for validation (use of buzz/swear words and self-righteousness being projected on others' contrary comments are good indicators, I would imagine), but they are probably genuinely very exited about the revelatory experience, which is good, but it'll only help to keep it civilized.
We make each other smarter. Ever hear about kids that somehow get raised by animals? Like wolf boy. They can be dressed up nice and taught a few words and a little bit of how to behave but that is about it. Same size brain as us but it doesn't and will never think like us. Just hanging out in the smart zone listening to people like Jordan makes us smarter. We might be stuck with a certain sized thinking box but we can stuff it with smart ideas.
Some people say, 'Isn't it silly to think that humans are special when we're just these tiny creatures on a tiny planet in an average galaxy out of billions of galaxies?' I forget who it was who responded to that sort of question, but said something like: You can't compare size with the soul. The souls is indeed greater than all these things in the universe. Look in a large room full of many objects, couches, tables, chandeliers, and so on, but then see a little mirror resting on a table: In a similar way that mirror is the greatest, because only the mirror can contain the entire room.
But all of that is subjective. Of course we, as humans, value humanity. It's in our own subjective best interest. But objectively, we really don't mean anything in the grand scheme of things.
He's a gift in many ways. He questions thoroughly so that his physical state was seriously challenged but his inner strength shines through one challenge after another, thank God. Lord, protect & bless this gift & his family.
"every time you make a pathological moral decision you move the world one step closer to complete annihilation". I'm so grateful for this man and his thoughts.
The amount of people that admire Jordan Peterson and the content of his ideas gives me hope that not everyone ultimately desires skepticism and nihilism even at cost to reason and/or common sense. Humanity might yet still be salvageable.
I mean, there's no actual evidence that anyone in history existed if you put it that way. There is more evidence for Jesus than Julius Ceasar or Alexander the Great according to even atheist historians.
This piece about Doc is sublime, I mean it in a very specific way, as it was conceived in Romanticism: something so beautiful yet terrifying, like an avalanche or a hurricane. Jordan, you never fail to amaze me. I can’t describe how much you have improved my mess of a life. I discovered a new sense to the word grateful. Thanks for these uploads, I hope they will touch lots of people. Have a nice day everyone
'That's all I hafta say about that'. 2008 already laying the ground work for the necessity of his adamant 'And That's That!'. Love diving into the older stuff and seeing how his thoughts ebbed & flowed to the now.
It was amazing that after I felt like I'd swept up almost all of Manly P Hall's lectures and was looking for something similar but more grounded for my friends - I stumbled across Jordan's Maps of Meaning lectures. Our culture's needed clear holistic thinking for a long time, for the most part we've just had shallow one-dimensional fragments (you see terrible examples of this in rogue ideologies) and it takes thinkers who can weave their understandings of human condition through the subconscious and archetypal to really make sense of it all.
@@GODHATESADOPTION Not listening to great minds like this and only relying on your own understanding is not only wrong, it is unbiblical. "...lean not on your own understanding". Only reading your Bible is like watching a play without looking backstage to see how it is orchestrated. Why would you want to know that? Well, that is a question you must ask yourself. "Be prepared to give reason for the hope that you have".
Thank you PhilosophyInsights. Unfortunately the very word "religious" has triggered breakdown reactions.Too few people are actually discussing the content of what Peterson said. No, he is not saying here that you must believe in Christianity or we are doomed as a species. First of all, Peterson is more of an existentialist. You can listen to him preach (ie, strongly appeal with reason and emotion and persuasion) and "answer him" in your life, beliefs, and behavior with any number of philosophical orientations or religions. If you do not believe in God, substitute Stoicism, or Buddhism, or your own self-designed character-building honesty about evil and the human condition. But, you are strongly urged by Peterson to: 1. Face up to the truth about your individual reality. That you matter. That you make choices. That we are daily tempted to deceive ourselves.That we usually want to float along trusting things will take care of themselves or despairing and bitter. No! Face the hard truths that many religions and philosophies urge on us: life is suffering. you make a difference by your daily honesty and courage in taking on that challenge. (Existentialism as well as the major religious and philosophical traditions.) 2. Enlightenment to Peterson means facing the reality of both the unbelievable wonder of the human consciousness and choice and our individual infinite capacity for evil because of our fears and fragility. Enlightenment for Peterson is not mere Reason. My thoughts: Reason as a modern ideology that has dead-ended over and over may well be another attempt to project evil out on everyone else. Value reason highly -- centrally -- but more as a Marcus Aurelius would, not as a ideological scientific fundamentalist would, IMHO. 3. Ideology is anything that provides an escape from the shared burden of the human condition in its deepest, most honest, challenges -- particularly one's own fragility, vulnerability and self-deceiving capacity to participate in evil AND the demands for one's unique individual realization and actualization through daily choices. -- again, Existentialism. Ideologies provide a convenient and dangerous way out, a way to project evil out onto "the other side" (right or left etc.) or the oppressors in history, or religions, or whoever your crazy-making nemesis is. Even if Peterson were to say : I believe Judeo-Christianity is pretty damn good; and I choose this rich mythic foundation to build my own character on... OK, Peterson is situated in a western Judeo-Christian culture -- but that need not close the door to other philosophies and religions. What he is preaching and saying is still of immense value to anyone who sees the importance of facing the dark side within and working diligently to strengthen one's individual character for good. It also seems to be a pretty convincing reading of the present societal brewings. I don't believe Peterson's message need be triggering of ATHEISTS. ANYONE can use ideology -- perhaps ALONG with religious belief, or use religious belief AS ideology -- to hide or deny individual human truth and the realities of life and the demands it places on each individual. I'm wondering if atheists at this site are just mad that they're being forced to assume the human condition with all its weight, along with the rest of us, so they go back to attacking religion, in particular Christianity, as a distraction. ?? Time-tested religions have developed a complexity that is a resource, not a guarantee, but a resource, not to be used cynically as ideologies, but as pointers to deeper truth, the kind of truth that matters.
•CRITICAL CONDITION• You obviously don't know about: Robert Waggoner,Bruce Greyson,Tom Campbell,Louise Hay,Brian Weiss,Allan Watts,... And the consequences of satanic behaviour: Gwynne Dyer,Chris Hedges,Sandra Postel,Guy McPherson,....
d brown oh, think you can express appreciation for someone? How about you learn about these other people first, stupid, only then will you be able to compliment someone as well as I can.
Thank you for expressing your insights so well. I concur with your way of coming to certain conclusion. You explain things in such a beautiful way that I do not seem to express.
I think respect would have been a more suitable word. But with the deminishing meaning of words in society the tendency to exaggerate to compensate for that is understandable.
Traditional Christianity is the religion that teaches the value of each individual human soul. Islam doesn't teach that, nor does post-Temple Judaism, which sees Jews alone as having a "divine spark."
TDawg736 i dont know about judaism but islam definitely teaches about the divine spark. i dont remember the verbatim but every human soul has a "whiff" from god. which is another description for the divine spark
That's not true at all. TRADITIONAL Christianity doesn't even see homosexuality as a sin; it sees acting on homosexual desires as sinful. And as to non-Christians, the Church sees natural virtue as able to exist in any sort of men. She honors the Sibyls, for ex. Non-Christians can even be saved, acc. to Catholic teaching. If they are saved, they are saved by Jesus alone, and would be saved in spite of any false religion they might practice. But they can be saved. You need to study what traditional Catholicism teaches: www.fisheaters.com
He once said that it's a lot easier to prove that evil exists than that good exists. Because people can't say that pain is irrelevant. I have believed this most of my life. I think its true. People usually forget or ignore good things, but they can't really forget or ignore their pain.
George Zakhia Yes, that is how you convert people. Never before had I ever heard anything even slightly worthwhile from someone preaching religion till Peterson. Honestly, anytime someone starts quoting scripture, I stop reading. Arguments from Mathority never work. It's preaching to the quire
+Alex Jorgson *choir not quire Also, Peterson is merely arguing the benefit and usefulness of understanding and implementing christian ideals. Helping people coming to a decision of faith doesn't seem to be his prerogative at all so I wouldn't even characterize him as "preaching religion".
"There is a spark of divinity inside of all of us." That, my friend, is religion. Once you accept that principle that he is peddling in this talk, then you have to ask the question, "What is divinity, and how does it function?" so that that spark can become an ember, and that ember a flame. Joseph Smith, the prophet of the Mormon philosophy once pointed out that "God once was as man now is, and man may become as God now is." I've been astounded that Sam Harris the famous atheist speaker has come to the same conclusion from his study of artificial intelligence. He has said that we are in the process of building a God and the only way that we can survive it is to unify with it in its growth. God is the fundamental principle of religion just as free speech is the fundamental principle of democracy.
*Subscribed* This channel is a brilliant resource for those of us who want to disseminate Truth through the use of short clips with links, but lack the skills or time to put them together. Like me. Many, many, thanks to PhilosophyInsights for doing this work, which is a great 'ethical good' in it's own right.
Ehhh probably not Nietzsche. He wrecks Nietzsche a couple of times. Dostoyevsky probably. Dostoyevsky was very intuned to psychology and philosophy and his novel crime and punishment has several psychological concepts that were well ahead of his time.
Nietzsche? I think I'm starting to understand why Peterson is getting a following....Many of you don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about. You don't see Peterson debate much other than kids, and the occasional journalist. There is a reason for that.
104yourmother I like him, but he's not the next Freud, Jung or Nietzsche. He's popular because of his pronoun stance and he's well liked because of his demeanor. I told my girlfriend, he's like the best family physician in the world, but he's not going to cure cancer.
"There is a spark of divinity inside of all of us." That, my friend, is religion. Once you accept that principle that he is peddling in this talk, then you have to ask the question, "What is divinity, and how does it function?" so that that spark can become an ember, and that ember a flame. Joseph Smith, the prophet of the Mormon philosophy once pointed out that "God once was as man now is, and man may become as God now is." I've been astounded that Sam Harris the famous atheist speaker has come to the same conclusion from his study of artificial intelligence. He has said that we are in the process of building a God and the only way that we can survive it is to unify with it in its growth. God is the fundamental principle of religion just as free speech is the fundamental principle of democracy.
Why is this not blaring on Front Page News?? Why are there still so many people uninformed? I am sharing this message with as many people as I can, and it has a visible impact on each of them, and myself as well... Jordan, your message has an empirical and observable impact on the world, and that is what I aspire to achieve myself. More people must start cleaning their rooms.
I've always thought religion can be a good moral basis for anyone, its just the folk who pray for shit to happen instead of doing something about it that bothers me. Its religion's biggest flaw. Its a sedative.
When atheists or any other religious or political group become such a charitable, generous, volunteering group of people as Christians...then you might have a point. Until then, you're completely wrong.
Kaden O'Keene Yeah sure. One of the richest organsations on the planet we have just as much famine, homelessness and bullshit as we have ever had. Great job Christians. Great job telling kids they'll go to hell for typical human behaviours.
This blew my mind. Every moment of my life has head up to the point and every moment henceforth will hinge, in part on this moment. The connection of points in time like this throughout my life is one of the few reasons I do not doubt the possibility that a 4th dimensional being could be watching over us. The judeo/christian tradition might have its flaws but it has been around the block a long time. It is what I grew up with but I will try to stick with it. Here is to making the world an incrementally better place, one small infinitesimal step at a time. Good luck everybody.
A major improvement on Joseph Cambell, with the moral courage to stand up for his beliefs even under criticism that is why I respect him so much even though I don't completely agree with him. I saw him stand up to the mob of SJW with dignity.
I've been listening to this man for only a short time now (a week?). He is not only brilliant but hopeful, humble and unafraid to study, look honestly at all facets, then talk about the truths others are scared of even talking about. So in ignorance they miss out on the truths that lie in wait to be discovered and treasured. If everyone got "safe spaces" every time they were slightly challenged or had to shoulder that which is difficult all we would have left are useful idiots only useful for droning about and being the animals they propose to be.
@@henryb3066 I'm actually glad to read that you don't like this charlatan anymore. Also as someone who was raised as a catholic, went to a catholic school, trust me, catholicism is horrible.
Peterson has the speaking style of the old evangelist Garner Ted Armstrong. He just starts off and then wanders from place to place without actually settling anywhere. All the trappings of insight, without any of the reality of it.
Or maybe you didnt understand it, because from a psychological perspective the thing about if you dont believe in anything you will believe everything.
I hope if you're watching g him and see how profound and necessary what he's saying is, realize that each and every one of you can also have as much as an impact and on others like he has has on us!
Saint Athanasius in his book on the Incarnation described something similar. He explained that after the Transgression of our first parents, humanity simply began to crumble and decay back toward non-existence (through pathological decisions?) . It would have been unworthy of God to allow this to happen to God's own image and likeness, so God rescued the situation through the Incarnation.
Mister Kets, are you an atheist? Then your life is as meaningless as the meaningless cosmos. Meaningless people make meaningless comments. But thanks anyway.
Agreed. But I wonder how blind, stupid evolution ever produced a creature which seeks meaning. Maybe we've evolved into a freak, as G.K. Chesterton suggested. Anyway, what do we do with this nuisance desire for meaning? I will check out Dr Peterson's other lecture. Thanks, Seven.
Not first place i've seen this video but still one of the most powerful speeches I have ever heard by one of the most brilliant contemporary philosophers.
"Build yourself on a Rock" - Jordan Peterson --- And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
How I describe Peterson to my brother, Dan: He's like if Marvin the robot (from Hitchhiker's guide to the Galaxy) was retrofited with a traditional-christianity software patch (to lift his spirits - and keep him from going T1000 on us.) i - , lol ________
Since Peterson defines truth as that which promotes survival, he regards as truth whatever ideas people will give him the most money to represent. That has served him well.
Peterson is a ball of fresh air to the academic world today. His thirst for the truth and his uncompromising discourse led him naturally to understand that our highest moral standards are originally divine. He also considers Jesus as the "greatest leader of our Western civilization". however, I think he is not a disciple of Jesus Christ. Personal and original sin is mentioned nowhere in his discourse. His knowledge of the Resurrection is more philosophical than biblical, therefore a self centered, self achieved and self exalted , which is a complete contradiction to the Biblical message. I truly would not like to be a debating atheist facing Peterson once he truly becomes a disciple of Jesus Christ.
What if I told you that half a billion highly pious Christians (many who recently died for their faith) don't understand understand "original sin" like you seem to think is so central. But I agree that Peterson is more of a religious camp follower than a Christian. Maybe really when push comes to shove a Stoic. But I have huge respect for him after what happened with SJWs he showed really conviction and courage.
Check out Sam Harris debating Peterson on the concept of truth. This SHOULD give you an insight into the mans limitations , however I'm sure it won't lolol
He actually understands the concept of original sin. He refers to the Mesopotamians creation story. Basically people are made from the blood of Kingu, the King of the Monsters. Which describes everyone's potential for malevolence. Just like original sin.
I still think his belief is completely unreasonable, as is his epistemological presupposition about the darwinian nature of truth... Then again maybe I'm the ignorant materialist realist
Sums up the whole conundrum really, interesting to think that people who really consider both sides of every argument that goes beyond the realms of complete understanding tend to make final judgements based off of their personality and predispositions. I find it funny how we can sit here with the mental capacity to contemplate the universe around us, and yet are wholly unable to agree with the person sat next to us. If there is a god, he has an ironic sense of humour.
I was also surprised by his claims about truth, and although I'm not a new atheist, I was more in Harris' camp. the frustrating thing was that Harris just kept attacking Peterson's view, instead of inquiring more why Peterson believed such a thing. It's still not very clear to me, but Maps of Meaning is on my reading list. It might help out. Peterson's moral integrity and courage persuaded me to give him a chance on this point, so I'll make up my mind later. But yeah, I totally sympathize with you both. It's actually pretty hard to figure things out and there's a big chance you're wrong, because you don't know that much.
I've only heard him mention it once, but I think the "truth" he's talking about is the truth about how one should act, which he does not think is approachable rationality, but instead evolved (biologically and culturally) into a kind of moral truth.
codediporpal exactly. all behavior is learned and as we evolve in our civilization and development our functional behaviors are kept and the others are tossed aside. Humanity comes from a world of tooth and claw and developed and passed on behaviors that allowed for progress, but all of those behaviors plateau until the exceptional arises and does so Ina beneficial way.
For those brave and/or intelligent enough to look onto the abyss, some break, some try to forget it, some turn to nihilism, others clean their rooms.
My spare room IS the Abyss, I just keep the door closed, and clean the rest of the house when it needs.
I'm building a ladder right now.
I've been hiding out. And practicing various forms of self-destruction.
I don't fear the abyss as if it's some magical concept.. are we talking about death? I don't want to die just yet, but not because I'm afraid of what Hades will do to me, or whatever god/concept you wanna go with. Where's the option for just not subscribing to that stuff.. I'm certainly not unique here.
Some others don't turn to christian existentialism
I love that he gave that incredibly impassioned speech to a group of what looks like about 15 people. :D
The good thing tho is that this speech is channeled out to the internet so that millions can consume this greatness. amazing!
That's what makes him a great man. It doesn't matter if only few are his audience.
@@Lightnings all looking bored to death.
@@MrGobsmack They are old.
What do you expect them, jump around?
It's gripping enough, to take it in you're better off calm.
You don't seem quite mature about it...
Check out Stevie Ray Vaughan Live at the El Mocambo. Roughly 450 person capacity and he played like it was a 100k seat stadium. He's one of the best in his field like Jordan is in this field.
"The beliefs fill in the gaps". Gold, pure gold. peterson is such a gifted communicator. And about as sharp as they come.
Thanks for editing down I've found the final few minutes of this lecture particularly powerful. It's also heartening he's now pouring out his passion to the world & not just a small hotel conference room.
This man puts into words what so many know in their hearts. It's a great gift.
Donagh Cronin sure
Donagh Cronin gift? skill.
Gift.
firecloud77
no seriously, Jordan explicitly points out that speech (and the written word) is the most important SKILL to learn yourself.
hearts pump blood
I watch this man, and it astounds me how much goes on in his head that he recognizes need to be communicated.
You could imagine him needing a Pensieve like Dumbledore, to archive some of his thoughts.
Yes, he is a typical Gemini!
yesss! omg i wish that was a real thing cause i need it.
If the teachers and priests throughout my childhood framed Catholicism like this, and not cryptically in Catholic language, I reckon I would still be going to church
you don’t gotta go to church just follow Jesus and do what he says ,he doesn’t tell you to go to church you are the church when you follow him
@@thurstt9158 It is not that simple. Jesus' message was to follow him (imitate him). We need others to struggle together with to figure out the best approximation of what that looks like as we study scripture. We are all different and have something to offer others. I would partially agree that you don't need church, the physical building, but you do need others to walk with. We are just built for relationships.
@@DanielVoyles This. Thank you for saying it. I was going to say something similar and now I don’t have to. Thanks :)
@@DanielVoyles I believe 100% if we don’t have others to walk with it’s so much harder almost impossible
@@DanielVoyles Jordan Peterson is an idiot that has no idea what he is talking about. As for following Jesus we would be far more socialistic if people followed what he actually taught.
Humanity needs this man right now.
R T Ptz he is useless if the history he received came from a organization such as school
What about you?
Imagine how many other professors who are similar to Jordan but aren't getting the limelight because they don't wanna deal with everything that comes with 'taking a stand'. If you ask me, there plenty of Jordan Petersons but they're probably just as worn out from the SJW/feminist/Marxist shittery as the rest of us
I just graduated with a master's and had I no professors that would associate with the social justice types. An econ teacher with Soviet experience was the most enlightening. The problem is more pervasive in other areas, it's not all of academia.
coojsta69 The guy devoured all the material on totalitarianism that he could and assimilated a ton of knowledge from other thinkers too, both inside and outside academia (Russian novelists like Dostoyevsky and Solzhenitsyn for instance) coming up with his own insights along the way. He didn't just receive his education in school; the presence of the formal education system doesn't taint everyone within it so long as they have a genuinely critical mind.
A curious person can't stop being curious and won't narrow their gaze beyond that which is necessary to accomplish their goals.
I Cleaned my room today
It was in my mind before I thought of what to do tomorrow.
What about your lobster?
Charles The Handsome And Brave well I dirtied mine and I enjoyed doing it too. Meowwww
Well done, bucko!
Bad Panda. WOOF!
Agreeing Asian man agrees
That guy knows how to agree.
@@svanteantonius3050 Japanese agreement
@@NichtNameee Korean
@@marshallbeck9101 Yes yes, i agree 😔
I love how he ended his speech like Forrest Gump
lol you're right
Momma always said clean your room
I cleaned my room today AND my bathroom. I've never felt more content in my life.
He needs to bring the beard back.
grey bears only acceptable once you're life's goal is accomplished
Marcus Tullius Cicero yea...
Plus, his wife probably prefers the smooth face for multiple reasons. Even badass monks need to get some.
yeah, that's what I got from this video too
No ! It's every good looking mans duty to never grow facial hair. It obstructs, it hides
"thats all i have to say to say about that" is the best mic drop
SameBasicRiff He says it often when he's asked questions, but tbh I can't help but think of Forest Gump Everytime
i would have killed for a debate between prof. peterson and hitchens
ThePhilosopherDeath My god. That's like matter and anti matter colliding.
i really like your analogy
Harris not working for you? Their debate on the nature of what is real is very much like I'd imagine a debate with Hitchens;
Harris (as I believe Hitchens would've) adopts the mainstream rational materialistic viewpoint: rational inquiries into the causal nature of material reality constitute the sole ground from which we humans are able to gather true knowledge: "Yes, there is a field of grass and these are the reasons why it exists." Morality is seen as something which in the end is a rational and social construct, without any inherent truth to it as such and often utilitarian when put to practice.
Peterson on the other hand, while not devaluating the importance of this objective and (through measurement) descriptive reality, recognizes that we humans need a moral truth: we need to act and make choices in life, otherwise we could just as well die. I.o.w.: "Yes, there is a field of grass, fine. Now, what is the best way to walk through it?" This is where Peterson's Darwinism comes in. He believes nothing to be more true than "that which selects". In other words: There is an actual morality that exists outside of human, subjective opinion and which works in the Darwinian sense. This selecting, natural force led to the archetypal (biblical) stories we are all familiar with and which can guide and inform our actions, thus being more true than material reality. Not what is, but what works (in the Darwinian sense) constitutes true knowledge.
This is where their discussion reaches a sort of final stop. Please correct me if I am wrong (anybody). Greetings from Amsterdam!
+Xargxes That sums it up pretty well. It's just baffling to me that they had a disagreement over this since both positions neatly fit together and make perfect sense. Bloody obviously humans have developed inherent axioms about what should be, since only those who did got to suceed. It effectively boils down to a complex system of many individual factors finding its stable state, and the ways how this stable state ultimately manifests itself is known to us as morality. It is exactly the result you would expect and the way of conduct mythological stories deal with.
It arises from the same presumptions about the world that we need to make in order to approximate scientific theories to reality. It is absolutely coherent, and now all we're arguing is semantics. How we use the word "true". The concept they both refer to is exactly the same. I just do not get how they didn't see it.
Nevermind314 Yeah, exactly, what defines "true"? That is what the disagreement is ultimately about. It is weird because at times it seems so elusive and slippery to put the finger on the exact place of disagreement, and then at times Dr. Peterson's Darwinian definition of "truth" seems right at hand and so obvious as well.
But then again, the thing that puts me off is that I can not believe that it is actually that simple, as Harris has a very subtle mind and seems to be generally consistent and intellectually honest. I keep getting thrown around...
What Peterson is saying here is very similar to Zoroastrian philosophy. It's also worth noting that the three wiseman who foresaw the birth of Christ were Zoroastrian priests.
The following was written by Yezdi Antia, a Zoroastrian sage.
The Freedom to Choose."We do not choose to be born. We do not choose our parents. We do not choose our historical epoch, or the country of our birth, or the immediate circumstances of our upbringing. We do not, most of us, choose to die, nor do we choose the time or conditions of our death, but within all this realm of choicelessness, we do choose how we shall live: courageously, or in cowardice, honorably or dishonorably, with purpose or adrift. We decide what is important and what is trivial in life. We decide that what makes us significant is either what we do or what we refuse to do. But no matter how indifferent the universe may be to our choices and decisions, these choices and decisions are ours to make. We decide. We choose. And as we decide and choose, so are our lives formed."
sparkgap amidst a sea of nonsensical comments I found a shred of beauty
Wow
DECISIONS DEFINE US
Thank you
Sorry pal, but no one foresaw this.
It's so frigging satisfying to hear someone put into words, these things I've been feeling and questions I've been grappling with and trying to sort through in my head. And as always, with each stage of clarity, comes the next set of stages revealing even more uncertainty and questions to torture me. Trust in God
Exactly. It is so satisfying.
how is this guy real? Where are all the other Jordon Petersons in the world?
Josh James
Well said, Jordan Peterson is just the kind of intellectual spark that will light a wildfire.
He told you in this clip with his hypothesis that to become enlightened you may have to become "self-conscious of your infinite capacity for evil."
Peterson is very eloquent and skilled in speaking. I very much agree with Peterson's moral views; however, I don't exactly possess the same vocabulary nor the speaking skills as Peterson does. He's a great thinker and speaker.
GooseDaPlayMaker1 future one right herr
Herr*
I'm a sceptic, looking for evidence of a god. I've listened to the best each religion can offer. Jordan Peterson is the only man that has convinced me of the concept of a spirituality that we must all embrace to save ourselves from annihilation.
Within each man lies the divine.
Ronnie Thompson try the bible
Check out Ravi Zachiarus
The intelligence of this man astonishes me every time I hear him speak
FUCK Kek.
And 4chan.
AND the fucking Alt-Right.
But Jordan isn't a part of any of that, except in the most incidental way.
Roland Robson "love those kekistan boys"
yeah he even states it here, intellect is just a tool for tools. wisdom is the good one
+David Durden
I would agree that any decently educated college student should be able to, alas the capacaties to do so seem to be deminishing among college students.
+David Durden
I don't know it for a fact either, I was merely getting the impression. I wouldn't compare Peterson to Hitchens. I don't really see why it is deluded to believe in the belief in a god. Nor would I characterize Peterson as cowardly. But then again, I don't know the man, just some of his lectures.
All my conscious life--about 35 years--I have been trying to express, unsuccessfully, with words, what Dr Peterson just clearly and winsomely said in a few minutes.
Only when we admit how evil we can be can we recognize how good we must be. That's what I've learned in my short lifetime
This clip is incredibly depressing because I'm watching it wondering how is it that this man can only be heard on little known TH-cam channels and why is it that he is not leading a nation.
Mason G don't be depressed, he is steadily getting more well known
nobody should be listening to this pathological liar
Michiel Van Kets wat lies Tho? Please enlighten me
he's an actor, he's an incredible stupid, frustrated little shit that pretends to be smart
he actually believes that morality can only come from god ... he's a braindead idiot
Hayzemet My guess is that Michiel Van Kets is hard core atheist and passionately hates anyone who is remotely religious. I say this because he is on several of these comments saying exactly what he said here. Michiel you say he is stupid, an actor, an idiot, and you are trying to discredit his intelligence....but you haven't provided anyone examples of his idiocy other than express the fact that you hate his religious beliefs. He has videos on so many topics but you haven't addressed any of them.
Glad I could find this clip again, it was deleted from a different source and took me a bit. One of the most profound speeches I've ever heard. Thanks for uploading.
I was in the car and listening to the second talk he gave on the book of Genesis. What astounded me, over and above his commentary, was the content and quality of the questions at the end of his presentation. Not only does Dr. Peterson draw crowds to, what many perceive to be a stale topic of biblical studies, be he draws some brilliant minds in their own right.
This comment section is too smart for me...
Or maybe everyone is just trying to sound like it...
My shrink read your comment to me after I told him about Jordan Peterson.
Glad you were there for me bro, you're not alone.
comment right under you is "fucking legend"
I'm missing your point xD
It doesn’t matter if people are dumber than they think they are or maybe even smarter. It’s about the debate and flow of ideas. A common mistake people make is thinking a debate is about being right or wrong. It’s not, it’s about finding the truth by listening to each other
Tbh its pretty cool how spending time listening to a guy like JP can really fire my thoughts. I try to take the time to absorb and evaluate what I hear and see if there's some threads that I can tie together with other things I've learned either from others or on my own because I don't want to just utilize the copy/pasting of factoids method. I'm sure some do just try to sound more intelligent than they are for validation (use of buzz/swear words and self-righteousness being projected on others' contrary comments are good indicators, I would imagine), but they are probably genuinely very exited about the revelatory experience, which is good, but it'll only help to keep it civilized.
We make each other smarter. Ever hear about kids that somehow get raised by animals? Like wolf boy. They can be dressed up nice and taught a few words and a little bit of how to behave but that is about it. Same size brain as us but it doesn't and will never think like us. Just hanging out in the smart zone listening to people like Jordan makes us smarter. We might be stuck with a certain sized thinking box but we can stuff it with smart ideas.
A medieval monk once wrote "a single soul is of more value than all else in the universe".
But that is false, no? What about the soul of the best of us? What about one soul vs all the other souls?
and it was and still is bullshit.
One man is ten thousand, if he is the best.
-Heraclitus
Some people say, 'Isn't it silly to think that humans are special when we're just these tiny creatures on a tiny planet in an average galaxy out of billions of galaxies?'
I forget who it was who responded to that sort of question, but said something like:
You can't compare size with the soul. The souls is indeed greater than all these things in the universe. Look in a large room full of many objects, couches, tables, chandeliers, and so on, but then see a little mirror resting on a table: In a similar way that mirror is the greatest, because only the mirror can contain the entire room.
But all of that is subjective. Of course we, as humans, value humanity. It's in our own subjective best interest. But objectively, we really don't mean anything in the grand scheme of things.
I think Professor Peterson would look good in a Roman legion uniform. lol And barking "sort yourself out!". "Clean your room!"
That's the right way to think about it, bucko!
CallMeJAR1 "Brave Romans, to a man!”
I think it would be amazing to see Professor Peterson star in a movie playing Marcus Aurelius.
"And brush your bloody postmodernist teeth!":
How about a whole army of Jordan Petersons marching in a row at a parade and jelling "Clean your room!" And "Sort yourselfe out!".
I love watching this man speak. Even when hearing something I have heard him speak on before, its just as entrancing as the first time.
He's a gift in many ways. He questions thoroughly so that his physical state was seriously challenged but his inner strength shines through one challenge after another, thank God. Lord, protect & bless this gift & his family.
"every time you make a pathological moral decision you move the world one step closer to complete annihilation". I'm so grateful for this man and his thoughts.
The amount of people that admire Jordan Peterson and the content of his ideas gives me hope that not everyone ultimately desires skepticism and nihilism even at cost to reason and/or common sense. Humanity might yet still be salvageable.
Praise God, Jesus Christ
and love to you all, whatever you believe or don't believe
Allahu akbar! =)
BOOM
some people just...
You as well ! God bless!
I believe that Jesus Christ is a cunt.
I clicked on this video because I was genuinely interested in the topic and the thumbnail wasn't clickbait. Thank you very much for this.
Powerful Jordan Peterson
Great video!
I would literally cry with joy if I met Professor Peterson.
love me some Jordan. He is speaking truth. THis is not religion, it's The Logos, manifested and displayed in the person of Jesus Christ.
there's no actual evidence that 'the logos' exists.
most historians agree that a man named Jesus lived in 0 ad to 30 ad and inspired billions.
Chazmoun I️ believe a Jesus figure existed but don’t accept the supernatural claims aka being the son of god, miracles, and being born of a virgin.
Roxanna Quan amen
I mean, there's no actual evidence that anyone in history existed if you put it that way. There is more evidence for Jesus than Julius Ceasar or Alexander the Great according to even atheist historians.
The man is an inspiration to all. Our school system should make his online speeches a class in itself.
Love this man, so much respect. 💗🙏
and when the world needed him the most, he kept on doing the exact same thing he's been doing for the last 30 years, only the crowd got bigger
This piece about Doc is sublime, I mean it in a very specific way, as it was conceived in Romanticism: something so beautiful yet terrifying, like an avalanche or a hurricane.
Jordan, you never fail to amaze me. I can’t describe how much you have improved my mess of a life. I discovered a new sense to the word grateful. Thanks for these uploads, I hope they will touch lots of people. Have a nice day everyone
He is not debating. He is singing. Singing the truth.
JP: Most ingenious speech possible
Also JP: that's all I have to say about that
Talk about a class act
'That's all I hafta say about that'. 2008 already laying the ground work for the necessity of his adamant 'And That's That!'. Love diving into the older stuff and seeing how his thoughts ebbed & flowed to the now.
It was amazing that after I felt like I'd swept up almost all of Manly P Hall's lectures and was looking for something similar but more grounded for my friends - I stumbled across Jordan's Maps of Meaning lectures. Our culture's needed clear holistic thinking for a long time, for the most part we've just had shallow one-dimensional fragments (you see terrible examples of this in rogue ideologies) and it takes thinkers who can weave their understandings of human condition through the subconscious and archetypal to really make sense of it all.
carbon1479 stop watching satanists like him and alice bailey, read your bible
@@GODHATESADOPTION Not listening to great minds like this and only relying on your own understanding is not only wrong, it is unbiblical. "...lean not on your own understanding". Only reading your Bible is like watching a play without looking backstage to see how it is orchestrated. Why would you want to know that? Well, that is a question you must ask yourself. "Be prepared to give reason for the hope that you have".
Nice thanks for putting this up and putting the link to the full vedio 😁👍
Thank you PhilosophyInsights. Unfortunately the very word "religious" has triggered breakdown reactions.Too few people are actually discussing the content of what Peterson said. No, he is not saying here that you must believe in Christianity or we are doomed as a species. First of all, Peterson is more of an existentialist.
You can listen to him preach (ie, strongly appeal with reason and emotion and persuasion) and "answer him" in your life, beliefs, and behavior with any number of philosophical orientations or religions. If you do not believe in God, substitute Stoicism, or Buddhism, or your own self-designed character-building honesty about evil and the human condition. But, you are strongly urged by Peterson to:
1. Face up to the truth about your individual reality. That you matter. That you make choices. That we are daily tempted to deceive ourselves.That we usually want to float along trusting things will take care of themselves or despairing and bitter. No! Face the hard truths that many religions and philosophies urge on us: life is suffering. you make a difference by your daily honesty and courage in taking on that challenge. (Existentialism as well as the major religious and philosophical traditions.)
2. Enlightenment to Peterson means facing the reality of both the unbelievable wonder of the human consciousness and choice and our individual infinite capacity for evil because of our fears and fragility.
Enlightenment for Peterson is not mere Reason. My thoughts: Reason as a modern ideology that has dead-ended over and over may well be another attempt to project evil out on everyone else. Value reason highly -- centrally -- but more as a Marcus Aurelius would, not as a ideological scientific fundamentalist would, IMHO.
3. Ideology is anything that provides an escape from the shared burden of the human condition in its deepest, most honest, challenges -- particularly one's own fragility, vulnerability and self-deceiving capacity to participate in evil AND the demands for one's unique individual realization and actualization through daily choices.
-- again, Existentialism.
Ideologies provide a convenient and dangerous way out, a way to project evil out onto "the other side" (right or left etc.) or the oppressors in history, or religions, or whoever your crazy-making nemesis is.
Even if Peterson were to say : I believe Judeo-Christianity is pretty damn good; and I choose this rich mythic foundation to build my own character on... OK, Peterson is situated in a western Judeo-Christian culture -- but that need not close the door to other philosophies and religions.
What he is preaching and saying is still of immense value to anyone who sees the importance of facing the dark side within and working diligently to strengthen one's individual character for good. It also seems to be a pretty convincing reading of the present societal brewings.
I don't believe Peterson's message need be triggering of ATHEISTS. ANYONE can use ideology -- perhaps ALONG with religious belief, or use religious belief AS ideology -- to hide or deny individual human truth and the realities of life and the demands it places on each individual.
I'm wondering if atheists at this site are just mad that they're being forced to assume the human condition with all its weight, along with the rest of us, so they go back to attacking religion, in particular Christianity, as a distraction. ??
Time-tested religions have developed a complexity that is a resource, not a guarantee, but a resource, not to be used cynically as ideologies, but as pointers to deeper truth, the kind of truth that matters.
Jan Kragt without christianity everyone is doomed, JP believes this as a christian
nice 1 good U put this old clip up also greate you put link to full lecture.
FUCKIN LEGEND🙏🏻❤💥✌️
•CRITICAL CONDITION• You obviously don't know about:
Robert Waggoner,Bruce Greyson,Tom Campbell,Louise Hay,Brian Weiss,Allan Watts,...
And the consequences of satanic behaviour:
Gwynne Dyer,Chris Hedges,Sandra Postel,Guy McPherson,....
d brown oh, think you can express appreciation for someone? How about you learn about these other people first, stupid, only then will you be able to compliment someone as well as I can.
Legend is not an exclusive category.
You guys are disgusting. This guy twists words and never says anything useful.
Have you ever listened to a lecture by him in it's entirety?
Thank you for expressing your insights so well.
I concur with your way of coming to certain conclusion. You explain things in such a beautiful way that I do not seem to express.
I adore this man!!!
I love you.
Me too.
I think respect would have been a more suitable word. But with the deminishing meaning of words in society the tendency to exaggerate to compensate for that is understandable.
I wish you luck finding a man who is half as brilliant as him.
"Everything you do matters" - Jordan B. Peterson
Traditional Christianity is the religion that teaches the value of each individual human soul. Islam doesn't teach that, nor does post-Temple Judaism, which sees Jews alone as having a "divine spark."
TDawg736 i dont know about judaism but islam definitely teaches about the divine spark. i dont remember the verbatim but every human soul has a "whiff" from god. which is another description for the divine spark
That's not true at all. TRADITIONAL Christianity doesn't even see homosexuality as a sin; it sees acting on homosexual desires as sinful. And as to non-Christians, the Church sees natural virtue as able to exist in any sort of men. She honors the Sibyls, for ex. Non-Christians can even be saved, acc. to Catholic teaching. If they are saved, they are saved by Jesus alone, and would be saved in spite of any false religion they might practice. But they can be saved. You need to study what traditional Catholicism teaches: www.fisheaters.com
He once said that it's a lot easier to prove that evil exists than that good exists. Because people can't say that pain is irrelevant. I have believed this most of my life.
I think its true. People usually forget or ignore good things, but they can't really forget or ignore their pain.
He's not even really religious. If you watch any of his stuff about religion, he mostly talks about the psychological truth in religion/mythology.
George Zakhia and thank "god" for that
George Zakhia Yes, that is how you convert people.
Never before had I ever heard anything even slightly worthwhile from someone preaching religion till Peterson.
Honestly, anytime someone starts quoting scripture, I stop reading.
Arguments from Mathority never work. It's preaching to the quire
+Alex Jorgson *choir not quire
Also, Peterson is merely arguing the benefit and usefulness of understanding and implementing christian ideals. Helping people coming to a decision of faith doesn't seem to be his prerogative at all so I wouldn't even characterize him as "preaching religion".
2bitgirly007 Your arguing symantics. It doesn't matter his intent, but yes I agree with you.
"There is a spark of divinity inside of all of us."
That, my friend, is religion.
Once you accept that principle that he is peddling in this talk, then you have to ask the question, "What is divinity, and how does it function?" so that that spark can become an ember, and that ember a flame.
Joseph Smith, the prophet of the Mormon philosophy once pointed out that "God once was as man now is, and man may become as God now is."
I've been astounded that Sam Harris the famous atheist speaker has come to the same conclusion from his study of artificial intelligence. He has said that we are in the process of building a God and the only way that we can survive it is to unify with it in its growth.
God is the fundamental principle of religion just as free speech is the fundamental principle of democracy.
*Subscribed* This channel is a brilliant resource for those of us who want to disseminate Truth through the use of short clips with links, but lack the skills or time to put them together. Like me.
Many, many, thanks to PhilosophyInsights for doing this work, which is a great 'ethical good' in it's own right.
This comment section is too smart for even Rick and Morty
Nate S. I doubt the creators of Rick n Morty are interested in Christian Existentialism
We need a million of you around this world, & everyone's hearts & minds would be set in the right direction.
Brilliant and incisive as ever. God bless Jordan Peterson
So relevant sitting here under lockdown in November 2020. To anyone reading this in the future. Hope you spoke up for freedom.
He is the living embodiment of Dostoyevsky and Nietzsche! Profound!!!
your so smart maaaaaaaan. One question though. How is he a living embodiment of Dostoyevsky and Nietzsche? What made you come to that conclusion?
Ehhh probably not Nietzsche. He wrecks Nietzsche a couple of times. Dostoyevsky probably. Dostoyevsky was very intuned to psychology and philosophy and his novel crime and punishment has several psychological concepts that were well ahead of his time.
Nietzsche? I think I'm starting to understand why Peterson is getting a following....Many of you don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about. You don't see Peterson debate much other than kids, and the occasional journalist. There is a reason for that.
104yourmother I like him, but he's not the next Freud, Jung or Nietzsche. He's popular because of his pronoun stance and he's well liked because of his demeanor. I told my girlfriend, he's like the best family physician in the world, but he's not going to cure cancer.
Haha that is completely wrong. Nietzsche was self critical. Peterson is full of himself. Big difference.
your title was misleading clickbait, but clips of peterson are so good I went ahead and clicked 'like'.
"There is a spark of divinity inside of all of us."
That, my friend, is religion.
Once you accept that principle that he is peddling in this talk, then you have to ask the question, "What is divinity, and how does it function?" so that that spark can become an ember, and that ember a flame.
Joseph Smith, the prophet of the Mormon philosophy once pointed out that "God once was as man now is, and man may become as God now is."
I've been astounded that Sam Harris the famous atheist speaker has come to the same conclusion from his study of artificial intelligence. He has said that we are in the process of building a God and the only way that we can survive it is to unify with it in its growth.
God is the fundamental principle of religion just as free speech is the fundamental principle of democracy.
Amazing piece.
Dats all I got to say aboot dat.
lmao
Why is this not blaring on Front Page News?? Why are there still so many people uninformed? I am sharing this message with as many people as I can, and it has a visible impact on each of them, and myself as well...
Jordan, your message has an empirical and observable impact on the world, and that is what I aspire to achieve myself.
More people must start cleaning their rooms.
I've always thought religion can be a good moral basis for anyone, its just the folk who pray for shit to happen instead of doing something about it that bothers me. Its religion's biggest flaw. Its a sedative.
When atheists or any other religious or political group become such a charitable, generous, volunteering group of people as Christians...then you might have a point. Until then, you're completely wrong.
Kaden O'Keene Yeah sure. One of the richest organsations on the planet we have just as much famine, homelessness and bullshit as we have ever had. Great job Christians. Great job telling kids they'll go to hell for typical human behaviours.
Kaden O'Keene and they pay no taxes....
As a religious person myself, I agree.
Even worse is when you achieve something they will tell you God gave you it.
Wow. Second time listening to this. The third time will be slowly with pen and paper. Absolutely amazing
Spark of divinity 🌟
Dude at 0:33 knew he was in for a ride
And then he found the sword in his hand
This blew my mind. Every moment of my life has head up to the point and every moment henceforth will hinge, in part on this moment. The connection of points in time like this throughout my life is one of the few reasons I do not doubt the possibility that a 4th dimensional being could be watching over us. The judeo/christian tradition might have its flaws but it has been around the block a long time. It is what I grew up with but I will try to stick with it. Here is to making the world an incrementally better place, one small infinitesimal step at a time. Good luck everybody.
He is the Joseph Campbell of Canada
A major improvement on Joseph Cambell, with the moral courage to stand up for his beliefs even under criticism that is why I respect him so much even though I don't completely agree with him. I saw him stand up to the mob of SJW with dignity.
I absolutely love how he had to tell people he was done talking. They just waited, listening for him to say something else extraordinarily profound.
VH1's "Before they were famous"....
I've been listening to this man for only a short time now (a week?). He is not only brilliant but hopeful, humble and unafraid to study, look honestly at all facets, then talk about the truths others are scared of even talking about. So in ignorance they miss out on the truths that lie in wait to be discovered and treasured. If everyone got "safe spaces" every time they were slightly challenged or had to shoulder that which is difficult all we would have left are useful idiots only useful for droning about and being the animals they propose to be.
the beard make it look like hes been living alone looking into the abyss perhaps taking psychedelics.
Thats is how beards happen.
Rhys Oliver and why not ?
I could listen to this man all day... brilliant
2008: "Thats all I have to say about that"
2017: ?
Such a short, but insightful video. Amazing mind.
When the heart meets the intellect then we have a beautiful human being.
He doesn’t sound religious but what he says does help illustrate the gravity of belief structures, their usefulness, and their danger.
Jordan Peterson is one of the central reasons that I am thinking about being baptized in the Catholic Church.
Don't get touched
@@dreadlockbanana Haha this was two years ago, I don't like religion or Jordan Peterson anymore.
@@henryb3066 Lmao I found one of my comments from two years ago talking about my atheism and I was like wow you've changed a lot.
@@dreadlockbanana Interesting, people change in different ways.
@@henryb3066 I'm actually glad to read that you don't like this charlatan anymore. Also as someone who was raised as a catholic, went to a catholic school, trust me, catholicism is horrible.
Peterson has the speaking style of the old evangelist Garner Ted Armstrong. He just starts off and then wanders from place to place without actually settling anywhere. All the trappings of insight, without any of the reality of it.
Or maybe you didnt understand it, because from a psychological perspective the thing about if you dont believe in anything you will believe everything.
0:33 wondered why FilthyFrank is so smart? Joji watches Jordan Peterson.
I hope if you're watching g him and see how profound and necessary what he's saying is, realize that each and every one of you can also have as much as an impact and on others like he has has on us!
Saint Athanasius in his book on the Incarnation described something similar. He explained that after the Transgression of our first parents, humanity simply began to crumble and decay back toward non-existence (through pathological decisions?) . It would have been unworthy of God to allow this to happen to God's own image and likeness, so God rescued the situation through the Incarnation.
or ... you're sick in the head and that's why you need religion; so you can deny the fact that you're the problem and not rationality
Mister Kets, are you an atheist? Then your life is as meaningless as the meaningless cosmos. Meaningless people make meaningless comments. But thanks anyway.
Agreed. But I wonder how blind, stupid evolution ever produced a creature which seeks meaning. Maybe we've evolved into a freak, as G.K. Chesterton suggested. Anyway, what do we do with this nuisance desire for meaning? I will check out Dr Peterson's other lecture. Thanks, Seven.
Bradley Mosman i love St Athanasius
stefanos2691, You atheists truly are a sad lot..
Not first place i've seen this video but still one of the most powerful speeches I have ever heard by one of the most brilliant contemporary philosophers.
Is there something wrong with me or his reasoning is vague and illogical?
You are ok dude -- just stuck in the matrix. Keep watching his other vids.
Nope. You're right.
"Build yourself on a Rock" - Jordan Peterson --- And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
I am not afraid, I was born to do this
Amen
Yes, yes, yes. This is the message , the hope and, yes, the promise of the mystical branches of all the great religions.
Fabulous. A man who searches and sees.
How I describe Peterson to my brother, Dan: He's like if Marvin the robot (from Hitchhiker's guide to the Galaxy) was retrofited with a traditional-christianity software patch (to lift his spirits - and keep him from going T1000 on us.)
i - , lol
________
Marvin - the white male robot.
lol i - ;
Since Peterson defines truth as that which promotes survival, he regards as truth whatever ideas people will give him the most money to represent. That has served him well.
Peterson is a ball of fresh air to the academic world today. His thirst for the truth and his uncompromising discourse led him naturally to understand that our highest moral standards are originally divine. He also considers Jesus as the "greatest leader of our Western civilization". however, I think he is not a disciple of Jesus Christ. Personal and original sin is mentioned nowhere in his discourse. His knowledge of the Resurrection is more philosophical than biblical, therefore a self centered, self achieved and self exalted , which is a complete contradiction to the Biblical message.
I truly would not like to be a debating atheist facing Peterson once he truly becomes a disciple of Jesus Christ.
This is what Peterson inspires you to be?
What if I told you that half a billion highly pious Christians (many who recently died for their faith) don't understand understand "original sin" like you seem to think is so central. But I agree that Peterson is more of a religious camp follower than a Christian. Maybe really when push comes to shove a Stoic. But I have huge respect for him after what happened with SJWs he showed really conviction and courage.
Check out Sam Harris debating Peterson on the concept of truth. This SHOULD give you an insight into the mans limitations , however I'm sure it won't lolol
He actually understands the concept of original sin. He refers to the Mesopotamians creation story. Basically people are made from the blood of Kingu, the King of the Monsters. Which describes everyone's potential for malevolence. Just like original sin.
Man that gave me chills... and quite the existential crisis.
I still think his belief is completely unreasonable, as is his epistemological presupposition about the darwinian nature of truth... Then again maybe I'm the ignorant materialist realist
Sums up the whole conundrum really, interesting to think that people who really consider both sides of every argument that goes beyond the realms of complete understanding tend to make final judgements based off of their personality and predispositions. I find it funny how we can sit here with the mental capacity to contemplate the universe around us, and yet are wholly unable to agree with the person sat next to us. If there is a god, he has an ironic sense of humour.
I was also surprised by his claims about truth, and although I'm not a new atheist, I was more in Harris' camp. the frustrating thing was that Harris just kept attacking Peterson's view, instead of inquiring more why Peterson believed such a thing. It's still not very clear to me, but Maps of Meaning is on my reading list. It might help out. Peterson's moral integrity and courage persuaded me to give him a chance on this point, so I'll make up my mind later.
But yeah, I totally sympathize with you both. It's actually pretty hard to figure things out and there's a big chance you're wrong, because you don't know that much.
I've only heard him mention it once, but I think the "truth" he's talking about is the truth about how one should act, which he does not think is approachable rationality, but instead evolved (biologically and culturally) into a kind of moral truth.
Tristan Ritchie yeah, this is the one issue I've come across where i completely break with JBP
codediporpal exactly. all behavior is learned and as we evolve in our civilization and development our functional behaviors are kept and the others are tossed aside. Humanity comes from a world of tooth and claw and developed and passed on behaviors that allowed for progress, but all of those behaviors plateau until the exceptional arises and does so Ina beneficial way.
I don't consider myself very religious. But this man has a way of preaching that surpasses any apostle in history.
"Everything that human beings 'does'."
I love it.
Jordan Peterson is a treasure to this world.