Faith doesn't alleviate moral responsibility for the Christian; it just removes the motivation of damnation/salvation. Instead of doing good to avoid Hell, the true Christian does good out of love.
So what? Hell is still the prime mover. The Christian was motivated by fear of Hell to get "saved". And not everyone is motivated to get "saved". Sure, I understand that Hell was built for people like me, but I choose that out of fear of being stuck in Heaven with you.
@@shelbukowski1443 "Hell is still the prime mover. The Christian was motivated by fear of Hell to get "saved"." < Please cite references that prove this assertion
@@shelbukowski1443 The "so what" is that its impossible to be altruistic as long as being "good" bestows a personal benefit. Self-sacrifice by definition requires that the actor give of themselves without gaining anything in return. Salvation from Hell isn't the result of the action of the Christian, but the result of the self-sacrifice of Christ and is a free gift to the lost. The assertion that fear of Hell is the prime mover of good works is false for the Christian. Those who accept the gift of Christ's sacrifice are free from fear of Hell, and can proceed through life doing good for good sake, rather than to "earn" a ticket into Heaven. No Christian lives up to this ideal, but that's why the ideal exists. It's an aspirational goal.
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@@sawyerweathers8713 my request to all brother and sisters all over the world is that plz go back to your scriptures... atleast must follow the one message common written in all scriptures of the UNIVERSE( BY THE HELP OF GOD I MUST GIVE YOU REFERENCES if you want WHETHER IT IS FROM JUDAISM CHRISTIANITY HINDUISM AND BUDHISM)that ALLAH ALMIGHTY (THE GOD,THE CREATOR,THE SUSTAINER,THE SUPREME POWER,THE REAL KING AND THE OWNER OF ALL) IS ONE,and Prophet Mohammed (SAW) IS HIS LAST AND FINAL MESSENGER...!!!to enter into peaceful and lovely life eternally... The truth is clear with logic... please follow for yourself... please prevent yourself from the eternal hellfire by accepting and practising atleast common message of Creator in the religious scriptures of the world....I invite all of you to show me one word of the holy Quran that is against the ethics of humanity...read about Islam...
@@tinyflyingdragons9432 my request to all brother and sisters all over the world is that plz go back to your scriptures... atleast must follow the one message common written in all scriptures of the UNIVERSE( BY THE HELP OF GOD I MUST GIVE YOU REFERENCES if you want WHETHER IT IS FROM JUDAISM CHRISTIANITY HINDUISM AND BUDHISM)that ALLAH ALMIGHTY (THE GOD,THE CREATOR,THE SUSTAINER,THE SUPREME POWER,THE REAL KING AND THE OWNER OF ALL) IS ONE,and Prophet Mohammed (SAW) IS HIS LAST AND FINAL MESSENGER...!!!to enter into peaceful and lovely life eternally... The truth is clear with logic... please follow for yourself... please prevent yourself from the eternal hellfire by accepting and practising atleast common message of Creator in the religious scriptures of the world....I invite all of you to show me one word of the holy Quran that is against the ethics of humanity...read about Islam...
@@KevinVang1000 my request to all brother and sisters all over the world is that plz go back to your scriptures... atleast must follow the one message common written in all scriptures of the UNIVERSE( BY THE HELP OF GOD I MUST GIVE YOU REFERENCES if you want WHETHER IT IS FROM JUDAISM CHRISTIANITY HINDUISM AND BUDHISM)that ALLAH ALMIGHTY (THE GOD,THE CREATOR,THE SUSTAINER,THE SUPREME POWER,THE REAL KING AND THE OWNER OF ALL) IS ONE,and Prophet Mohammed (SAW) IS HIS LAST AND FINAL MESSENGER...!!!to enter into peaceful and lovely life eternally... The truth is clear with logic... please follow for yourself... please prevent yourself from the eternal hellfire by accepting and practising atleast common message of Creator in the religious scriptures of the world....I invite all of you to show me one word of the holy Quran that is against the ethics of humanity...read about Islam...
I love seeing two intelligent humans having a civil debate. No immature bullshit or threats or anything like that. Just two guys talking. Why can’t people act like this more often?
Jordan B Peterson is on the payroll of Orban the Neonazi Terrorist leader organizer of the Magyar Gárda neonazi paramilitary group 2007-2010 and since the dictator of Hungary As the guest of Führer Orban in the Führer Castle of Buda, Knight Impotent B. Peterson: "my message to the Hungarians: Do not rebel against your leader! What your prime minister is trying to do is to restore the metaphysical foundation of the Hungarian culture.
To answer Ben when he said “I think Christian’s just re read themselves back into an acts based Christianity”, he’s not entirely wrong, the idea is that the closer your relationship is with god, the more you end up following what god said to do, that’s because you’ll no longer have the desire to sin and end up with a loving heart
The more you read the bible you understand Yeshua more and how his followers understand him so little. Many Christians why Yeshua died on cross. Simple answer for atoinment of sins. But this explanation need more meat for people to understand its more spiritual than physical. New testament is so spiritual.
"What god said to do" according to which of the over 100 versions of the Bible, the 40,000+ denominations of Christianity, the 70+ interpretations of the Torah, or the 4 main branches of Judaism? Not including Islam, or the 100s of other religions and interpretations of their chosen gods?
As an orthodox Christian, Jordan got this exactly right towards the end. We acknowledge Jesus took on our burdens and was perfect.... AND we acknowledge that that it is the ideal worth copying.
@@rainbowgames1 You misunderstood my meaning. We are to copy christs example of selflessness and the burden of doing good that does not benefit ourselves- not taking on the sins of the world....Only Christ was perfect enough to do that.
@@rainbowgames1 No worries. Yes, Jordan started out very shaky in the beginning but then came around to a fairly accurate birds eye view IMHO. Ben never did come around but I still have immense respect for both men.
@@quick2311990 my request to all brother and sisters all over the world is that plz go back to your scriptures... atleast must follow the one message common written in all scriptures of the UNIVERSE( BY THE HELP OF GOD I MUST GIVE YOU REFERENCES if you want WHETHER IT IS FROM JUDAISM CHRISTIANITY HINDUISM AND BUDHISM)that ALLAH ALMIGHTY (THE GOD,THE CREATOR,THE SUSTAINER,THE SUPREME POWER,THE REAL KING AND THE OWNER OF ALL) IS ONE,and Prophet Mohammed (SAW) IS HIS LAST AND FINAL MESSENGER...!!!to enter into peaceful and lovely life eternally... The truth is clear with logic... please follow for yourself... please prevent yourself from the eternal hellfire by accepting and practising atleast common message of Creator in the religious scriptures of the world....I invite all of you to show me one word of the holy Quran that is against the ethics of humanity...read about Islam...
The thing is this, Ben is right about Christianity in the sense that we recognize that only Jesus can take the sins of the world, and that our duty is to accept what he has done. But Jordan Peterson is also right when he takes about Christians taking up the suffering of the world, seeing Christ as an example. So basically, we recognize that sin can only be dealt with by Christ, and we also accept that its our responsibility to be the light of the world just as Jesus was/is. We see the problems of the world as our responsibility to solve, not by our own strength but nonetheless. We also believe that its our responsibility to direct men to Christ whom can cleanse their sins.
You wanna know what really fascinates me about this - two very brilliant men here. Jordon, supposedly representing Christianity, doesn't understand it's a childlike faith (meaning it's not hard to understand) that we can do absolutely nothing to save ourselves. Ben on the other hand, representing Judaism, fully understands what I just said but prefers not to believe it. He thinks Jesus was just some dude who tried to convince people to overthrow the Roman government, yet nothing about his life suggests that at all. In fact it's the opposite - many of the people who wanted to follow Him ended up being disappointed because he didn't do that very thing. They wanted a political Messiah, which is not why Jesus came in the first place. Bottom line friends - on political issues, they both rock, don't look to either one of these guys for theological truth.
Jews are the chosen ones, everything started with them, they are the perfect humans.. Gentiles who are Christians are just the additional ones who Christ allows in heaven when we follow the same set of rules...
This is exactly how debates should be. Just because you’re loud doesn’t mean you’re right. It’s nice hearing 2 people have a discussion and not one interrupt each other.
As Christians, your organizations teach that history is irrelevant and that pledging allegiance to the church is more important than the man named Jesus who led a revolt against Rome and was crucified for the revolt, not for religious disputes. (Even the bible attests to this, as Stephen was stoned for saying Jesus was God, but Jesus apparently was not stoned for saying Jesus was god. it makes no sense to apply the justification "because the people loved Jesus" because Stephen was speaking about Jesus. Jesus was crucified by Pilate, a man who ruthlessly crucified any messianic aspirant for any reason whatsoever. He held more crucifixions than any other Roman governor of Judea. It was so bad that the people lodged a formal complaint. Churches don't teach their history, and that's why they produce so many blind followers who don't obey anything but themselves. If 70% of your congregations are fake or ignorant, that is the fault of the church. Also, I want to point out that I was very nice to only say 70% because we both know that number is ridiculously lowballed, assuming you've spent some amount of time in churches.... with an S.
@@codyhumble7855 my request to all brother and sisters all over the world is that plz go back to your scriptures... atleast must follow the one message common written in all scriptures of the UNIVERSE( BY THE HELP OF GOD I MUST GIVE YOU REFERENCES if you want WHETHER IT IS FROM JUDAISM CHRISTIANITY HINDUISM AND BUDHISM)that ALLAH ALMIGHTY (THE GOD,THE CREATOR,THE SUSTAINER,THE SUPREME POWER,THE REAL KING AND THE OWNER OF ALL) IS ONE,and Prophet Mohammed (SAW) IS HIS LAST AND FINAL MESSENGER...!!!to enter into peaceful and lovely life eternally... The truth is clear with logic... please follow for yourself... please prevent yourself from the eternal hellfire by accepting and practising atleast common message of Creator in the religious scriptures of the world....I invite all of you to show me one word of the holy Quran that is against the ethics of humanity...read about Islam...
@@ObliviAce my request to all brother and sisters all over the world is that plz go back to your scriptures... atleast must follow the one message common written in all scriptures of the UNIVERSE( BY THE HELP OF GOD I MUST GIVE YOU REFERENCES if you want WHETHER IT IS FROM JUDAISM CHRISTIANITY HINDUISM AND BUDHISM)that ALLAH ALMIGHTY (THE GOD,THE CREATOR,THE SUSTAINER,THE SUPREME POWER,THE REAL KING AND THE OWNER OF ALL) IS ONE,and Prophet Mohammed (SAW) IS HIS LAST AND FINAL MESSENGER...!!!to enter into peaceful and lovely life eternally... The truth is clear with logic... please follow for yourself... please prevent yourself from the eternal hellfire by accepting and practising atleast common message of Creator in the religious scriptures of the world....I invite all of you to show me one word of the holy Quran that is against the ethics of humanity...read about Islam...
FINALLY! A logical, great, beautiful well thought conversation about 2 different religions not screaming at each other stating which religion is more evil. These two people keep giving me more hope in humanity the more I listen and watch their vids. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
for orbanus-eaters!!! orbanus-Nazi State Media: You have met Viktor Orban, who is also often maligned by certain media outlets. Do you think what you could have read about him reflects reality? JBPeterson: Possibly, I can't say for certain. I know that one of the things your führer is trying to do is reinstitute the metaphysical foundations of Hungarian culture. He might be lucky and succeed.
"Well thought" conversation between 2 different religions? Religion is the core opposite of science and logic. So how on EARTH can you have a well thought discussion about something that is illogical and scientifically unfounded? Is beyond me... These are 2 very high IQ people debating about 2 things that are EQUALLY wrong.
Hows that? I have only listened to a little of him so can't fully form an opinion yet, but it seems he misses the point of Christianity, doesn't believe in Jesus as God in the flesh but just a man nor does he trust in him and what he did on cross to pay for his sins.
@@MelbourneBossKing my request to all brother and sisters all over the world is that plz go back to your scriptures... atleast must follow the one message common written in all scriptures of the UNIVERSE( BY THE HELP OF GOD I MUST GIVE YOU REFERENCES if you want WHETHER IT IS FROM JUDAISM CHRISTIANITY HINDUISM AND BUDHISM)that ALLAH ALMIGHTY (THE GOD,THE CREATOR,THE SUSTAINER,THE SUPREME POWER,THE REAL KING AND THE OWNER OF ALL) IS ONE,and Prophet Mohammed (SAW) IS HIS LAST AND FINAL MESSENGER...!!!to enter into peaceful and lovely life eternally... The truth is clear with logic... please follow for yourself... please prevent yourself from the eternal hellfire by accepting and practising atleast common message of Creator in the religious scriptures of the world....I invite all of you to show me one word of the holy Quran that is against the ethics of humanity...read about Islam...
@@MelbourneBossKing my request to all brother and sisters all over the world is that plz go back to your scriptures... atleast must follow the one message common written in all scriptures of the UNIVERSE( BY THE HELP OF GOD I MUST GIVE YOU REFERENCES if you want WHETHER IT IS FROM JUDAISM CHRISTIANITY HINDUISM AND BUDHISM)that ALLAH ALMIGHTY (THE GOD,THE CREATOR,THE SUSTAINER,THE SUPREME POWER,THE REAL KING AND THE OWNER OF ALL) IS ONE,and Prophet Mohammed (SAW) IS HIS LAST AND FINAL MESSENGER...!!!to enter into peaceful and lovely life eternally... The truth is clear with logic... please follow for yourself... please prevent yourself from the eternal hellfire by accepting and practising atleast common message of Creator in the religious scriptures of the world....I invite all of you to show me one word of the holy Quran that is against the ethics of humanity...read about Islam...
Ben is a right wing goober. He judges moslim lives to be less then others and thinks civilian casualty 's are fine if it stops American soldiers from dying. He is so messed up in the head. Why is he not hated more?
@@BradyDoesntMiss Praise be to our Creator Almighty! my request to all brother and sisters all over the world is that plz go back to your scriptures... atleast must follow the one message common written in all scriptures of the UNIVERSE( BY THE HELP OF GOD I MUST GIVE YOU REFERENCES if you want WHETHER IT IS FROM JUDAISM CHRISTIANITY HINDUISM AND BUDHISM)that ALLAH ALMIGHTY (THE GOD,THE CREATOR,THE SUSTAINER,THE SUPREME POWER,THE REAL KING AND THE OWNER OF ALL) IS ONE,and Prophet Mohammed (SAW) IS HIS LAST AND FINAL MESSENGER...!!!to enter into peaceful and lovely life eternally... The truth is clear with logic... please follow for yourself... please prevent yourself from the eternal hellfire by accepting and practising atleast common message of Creator in the religious scriptures of the world....I invite all of you to show me one word of the holy Quran that is against the ethics of humanity...read about Islam...
@Pablo Escargot Praise be to our Creator Almighty! my request to all brother and sisters all over the world is that plz go back to your scriptures... atleast must follow the one message common written in all scriptures of the UNIVERSE( BY THE HELP OF GOD I MUST GIVE YOU REFERENCES if you want WHETHER IT IS FROM JUDAISM CHRISTIANITY HINDUISM AND BUDHISM)that ALLAH ALMIGHTY (THE GOD,THE CREATOR,THE SUSTAINER,THE SUPREME POWER,THE REAL KING AND THE OWNER OF ALL) IS ONE,and Prophet Mohammed (SAW) IS HIS LAST AND FINAL MESSENGER...!!!to enter into peaceful and lovely life eternally... The truth is clear with logic... please follow for yourself... please prevent yourself from the eternal hellfire by accepting and practising atleast common message of Creator in the religious scriptures of the world....I invite all of you to show me one word of the holy Quran that is against the ethics of humanity...read about Islam...
I think the big difference between this discussion and so many others on TH-cam involving Ben or Jordan is that both these men are allowing the other to make their point before responding. It’s so refreshing.
It gets Violent because men “” don’t know how to talk these men here we see before us they are the best speakers so when men know how to speak amazing things happen but when they don’t wars are waged
When both of their ideas are total nonsense and the “debate” is just them declaring the nonsensical things they believe yea It is pretty peaceful, how do you get mad at nonsense when you know it’s nonsense and you know what you’re saying is nonsense as well
Two very brilliant men discussing different faiths with utter respect for each other. This is how discussion should be. 👏 well done boys. A big fan of both
You mean: "Two media-created 'celebrities' who use their Public Platforms to stir up artificial Shit-Storms in order to keep themselves high in the TH-cam Algorithm?" It's not like either of them are even SLIGHTLY respected or even noted -- among ACTUAL Public Intellectuals OR in the Academy!
Was I sent to the whole world or to certain people, O Jesus? Jesus: He answered and said: I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. (Matthew 15:24). Ok, why were you sent and what is your message to the Children of Israel for which you came? Jesus: And Joshua answered him, “The first of all the revelations is: Hear, O Israel. The Lord our God is one Lord. (Mark 12:26) Since you say that the Lord is your God, and you are not the Lord, as some say, who are you then? Jesus: I am a man who has told you the truth which I heard from God (John 8:40). And what do you say about those who claim that you are the Lord? Jesus: 22 Many will say to me on that day: Lord, Lord! Did not in your name prophesy, and in your name we cast out demons, and in your name we did many miracles? 23 Then I will declare to them: I don't know you, wake up! Go to me, you who work iniquity! (Matthew 7:22, 23) But you were saying to God, my father, does this not mean that you are the son of God? Jesus: Joshua said to her: “Do not touch me, for I have not gone to my Father tomorrow. But go to my brothers and say to them, “I am most in love with my Father and your Father, and my God and your God.” (John 20:17) There are those who say that you are a god with God, so what do you say? Jesus raises his eyes to heaven, saying, and this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you sent. (John 17:3) You are the one who decides because you are responsible for yourself, so search for the correct religion, for it is the way to your salvation. Read, and research it yourself, and be impartial in your search, and do not rely only on what is mentioned in the Bible, your books and your heritage. This is not considered a search for the truth. You may be mistaken in your choice. There is no shame in searching for the truth in more than one way. Here we have shown the way. And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he will be among the losers )The religion with Allah is Islam ( IFLAF.
Jesus is the incarnate of God, the awaited Messiah (the Christ) prophesied in the Hebrew Bible. For Jesus is the propitiation for our sin, as well as our advocate before the Father (John 2:1; 4:10). Because Jesus died for our sins and rose from the dead, we will live eternally in His presence, enjoying and praising Him forever (Revelation 21:3, 22-26).
@@Mo-gg8ts It is preserved there is only one version of the Torah, unlike the thousands of versions of the Christian bible or the hundreds of Qurans. Christians believe in the Torah. Muslims claim that Jews altered the Jewish text to contradict Islamic ones. This itself is contradicted by the fact that the Hebrew Bible was already in the hand of Gentiles (Non Jewish people)
I’m so grateful for this! They’re two well prepared and educated guys, politely debating and challenging each other’s arguments; it’s so refreshing seeing such a conversation in 2023. Good old days in which our TV broadcasted intellectual debates in which the topic was not “Does a trans man has to remove their testicles?”.
@philosophyInsights orbanus-Nazi State Media: You have met Viktor Orban, who is also often maligned by certain media outlets. Do you think what you could have read about him reflects reality? JBPeterson: Possibly, I can't say for certain. I know that one of the things your führer is trying to do is reinstitute the metaphysical foundations of Hungarian culture. He might be lucky and succeed.
I'm a Christian (I believe in Jesus and I believe the Bible.) Seeing two people I have admired and learned a lot from like Ben and Peterson talk about it is really, really, cool. Thank you for this video. 💪😎
@@GS-vs4xg But is He concerned ONLY with Israel? See how the missionary emphasis develops as the Old Testament progresses. Was not Abraham called that many nations might be blessed? See Genesis 22:18. And to be clear, Abraham himself was not an ancestor of the Jews only. A 'mixed multitude' accompany the Israelites on their journey through Sinai. Moses marries an Ethiopian woman in his old age. Generations later, Boaz marries the Moabitess Ruth, grandmother of King David, ancestress of the Messiah along with her predecessor, Rahab the harlot. Observe the book of Jonah, where Jonah preaches to the city of Nineveh and is spectacularly successful, despite his wish not to succeed. See how foreign kings like Nebuchadnezzar feel compelled to pay homage to the God of Israel, Who is also God of the Gentiles, though they do not yet know it. Jesus said in John 4:22 that 'salvation is from the Jews'. However He NEVER said that salvation is guaranteed to all Jews based on their Jewishness. Nor did He say that non-Jews could not be saved. (Romans 1:16) 'For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.' The Greeks stand in this instance as representatives of the entire Gentile world. Do you expect to find Leon Trotsky in heaven? On what basis do you expect to get there? Do you observe Mosaic sacrificial laws for the purification of sins? In Hebrews 9:22 it says that 'without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.' Christ did not die in vain, and He did not remain in His tomb. See Matthew 28:11-15.
As a Christian which means follower of christ or (Christ like) do you support and tolerate LGBTQ? Do you tolerate it? Do you advocate for it? Because i guarantee you that Jesus if he was here he wouldn't. Christians today tolerate support and advocate for the LGBTQ and I'll give you an opportunity to show me at least one Christian who isn't so anti Christ in his believes.
@@mikeyounes2756 The question should not be what we tolerate, but what God tolerates. There is nothing in Scripture to suggest that God tolerates homosexual behavior or practices. Nor does He tolerate wicked heterosexual behavior, or murder, or theft, or idolatry, or any other sin. Therefore we are ALL bankrupt before Him in our natural condition. Only the blood of Christ, shed on our behalf, is able to cleanse us from sin, on the condition that we believe in HIm. It says 'that if you confess with our mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in our hearts that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.' On the subject of homosexuality there is not a great deal of material in Scripture, yet it is very clear and consistent throughout. Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed, not exclusively but partly because of their addiction to homosexuality, for their lifestyle was extremely licentious in every regard. See Jude v. 7. Mosaic law prescribed the death penalty for homosexual relations-----------not that we should do the same, but the law indicates God's righteous STANRDARD. Romans 1:18-32, particularly v. 24-27, is an essential text which touches on the subject in the context of civilizational decline and corruption of religion. Unfortunately many in the contemporary Church are chasing the world's tail as regards this topic. They do not wish to seem 'irrelevant', 'out of date', 'out of touch' with contemporary culture. People who think that way have not fully grasped how OFFENSIVE the Gospel is to the natural mind, regardless of social implications. Give an inch, and secularists or followers of other religions will ask for a mile. Essentially they want a distinctively Christian witness to disappear from the scene. I am far from being a comprehensive 'conservative', yet I never agreed with secular politicians when they decided to revise legal definitions of marriage. However it would be counter-productive at this point to launch a campaign to reverse changes in the law. (It will be interesting to observe how Americans deal with challenges to Roe v. Wade, for the hearts of many Christians ARE invested in the struggle to save prenatal life.) I do think that LGBT people ought to be welcomed into the Church. How else will they gain exposure to the Word of God? Jesus said that it is not the healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick. Indeed not all LGBT folks are hostile to Christianity, though some are very much so. Some are Christians who struggle with obedience in that department, just as 'straight' or intentionally celibate Christians may struggle in parallel ways, or different ways altogether. But when Christian clergy perform ceremonies for LGBT couples, they are WAY out of line. Also I consider it disingenuous and OFFENSIVE when LGBT struggles for recognition are placed on a par with struggles for justice on the part of oppressed ethnic minorities or racial groups. The comparison is based on fuzzy thinking, and belittles undeserved suffering.
I have huge respect for both these guys. As a catholic, I’ve always appreciated Ben’s ideals. I like how this conversation seems like it’s more about them just noting their differences and not arguing about them.
@@jimbob4456 for orbanus-eaters!!! orbanus-Nazi State Media: You have met Viktor Orban, who is also often maligned by certain media outlets. Do you think what you could have read about him reflects reality? JBPeterson: Possibly, I can't say for certain. I know that one of the things your führer is trying to do is reinstitute the metaphysical foundations of Hungarian culture. He might be lucky and succeed.
@@jimbob4456 I am devout Catholic and say that you have know idea what you are talking about! Before you bash someone you should do some research and see what their true beliefs are
@Jim Bob “ Jim Bob ST How bout this one. So anyone who was baptized in the Catholic Church and doesn’t go to church every Sunday, will not go to heaven. Even if they are following another religion. Correct?” Jim Bob, great question but this also is an incorrect assumption. I think what would be nice is if you could have a nice mature conversation, like these 2 in the video, about the true beliefs of the Catholic Church. I think you may be a little surprised to find out that Catholics are not the monsters that some people want to make us out to be. We are trying to be the best Christians that we can possibly be, just like other Christian faiths are doing. I would be glad to have that respectful conversation with you are anyone else.
No, Ben, Christians ARE supposed to imitate Christ. Paul, in I Corinthians 11:1, says to the Chirch of Corinth, "imitate him as he imitate Christ." Christianity is essentially faith based, but it does have the understanding that you do still act in this world. Obviously, Jesus is the difference between the two religions... In the end, it seems like Ben is saying a major difference between the two is that the Jewish believe that if you act as right, then you know God; Christians believe if you know God, then you would act right. I agree with that assessment.
Yeah but he highlights and i think highlights correctly that we cannot (as in are unable even if we try) do without Christ (specifically His Spirit in us). There has to be a transformation where there is total dependence on Christ. I think Jordan in some ways reduces the personality or relationship to Christ a living and real being right now.
It depends, one of the main doctrines of Protestantism is "gratia sola", you are saved by your faith only because you can't be like Jesus, Catholicism, Orthodox etc. Stress the importance of works too, so in this sense are more similar to Judaism.
I love how "Christians" attempt to dismiss the idea of following Christ's example by saying that people are ultimately incapable of doing so. The entire point Jesus was trying to make was that people should try to follow Him DESPITE the fact that they are incapable of doing so perfectly.
As a Christian we are to count it all joy when we fall into diverse trials and tribulations . The joy part is a important part . That may actually be where this spiritual transformation happens or the reason why it does .
@philosophyInsights orbanus-Nazi State Media: You have met Viktor Orban, who is also often maligned by certain media outlets. Do you think what you could have read about him reflects reality? JBPeterson: Possibly, I can't say for certain. I know that one of the things your führer is trying to do is reinstitute the metaphysical foundations of Hungarian culture. He might be lucky and succeed.
In Judaism itself the scapegoat, or the sacrificial lamb/animal appears. SO while Ben is right in saying that Christian's believe that we could not pay entirely for the weight of sin, we needed Jesus to take on the sins just as the jews believe about sacrificial animals. But at the same time, Peterson is correct because Jesus himself emphasises the importance of "Taking up your own cross", "entering through the narrow gate", and being prepared for the judgement to come. Ben's view of Christianity is a more protestant view, while Peterson takes a more Orthodox/Catholic view.
This. You encompassed that so well. The reality is that Jesus says being His follower a beliver in Him is not easy it requires refinement a process. Look at the old Testament the Tabernacle was a sort of representation of Christ and the journey to the Father, the High priest had to go through a series of steps in order to make it to the Holiest place. Now today we NEED Christ in order to receive the gift of salvation through his sacrifice but the work doesn't just end there it's a constant journey the way He was tempted on earth too so are we. THROUGH Christ we become better people. So technically they're both right lol just debating very specific doctrines on Christianity.
Whilst you are correct that Jews have sacrificed animals, this is viewed as the lowest form of attaining forgiveness. In fact, you don’t get forgiveness. Rather, the sages teach that the best way to attain forgiveness is to admit responsibility for the mistake and sin that you committed.
Personal responsibility is central to Judaism and antithetical to Christianity. Human sacrifice (through Jesus) for your own sins is not only opposed by the teachings of Tanakh, but to worship this practice as HaShem is pure idolatry. I have a lot of respect for Dr Peterson, but he’s way off on this one. I’d recommend listening to the words of Rabbi Tovia Singer.
@@jpamm5926 personal responsibility is a key them in Christianity. We are called to turn away from sin, repent, and follow God's commands to the best of our ability. Our salvation is not works-based, as no man can earn his way to heaven, but we are still called to imitate Christ and do good. The difference between Judaism and Christianity is that Jews follows God's commands out of fear of punishment, whereas Christians follow God's commands out of love for God. We don't do what is right to avoid punishment, we do what is right because it is right- simple as that.
@@maxsiemens304 yeah if I'm not mistaken Jordan Peterson sympathizes with Christianity beliefs but don't know about his stance. Shapiro is a hardcore jew so he doesn't at all. Regardless I believe Peterson is more humble and unbiased than Shapiro and is my personal fave
@@RodH-pj1py It doesn't matter if Jordon Peterson likes Christian beliefs, anyone who does not call upon the name of the Lord is part of the wicked. Both don't know Jesus as Lord and savior. And even though these intellectuals may be right in some things and smart I have found many things they don't know that God has taught me. Because God hides himself from the proud and those who rely on their own understanding and gives grace, knowledge, and wisdom in the Holy Spirit to the humble. Only someone with a childlike faith can enter heaven
It's so nice to see two people debate that are clearly not on the same side of the argument that will say things like "That's a good point," or "I agree with you on that." It's also nice to see that they do have differences of opinion and allow each other to express that opinion. Just yeah. So nice to see.
How refreshing it is to hear 2 intelligent beings have a civil conversation without one or the other trying to stop them half way through what they’re trying to say love them both very intelligent & well spoken gentlemen. Great debate
It's sad that we're praising these guys for having a civil debate. Don't be mistaken, these guys did absolutely great! I just wish debates were more like this instead of people trying to kill eachother.
Always praying for Ben, he knows how to carry out a debate and is a model to all of us who may one day have to show the same respect to our opposing side of an argument.
I disagree.he keeps representing Christianity as “Protestant” when the Catholic Chruch is the largest church. The Catholic and Orthodox Church are apostolic while Protestantism came to be in the early 1500’s.
The Protestant church is also apostolic but acted as a corrective to Catholic acuses and errors first through the reformation and then through the counter reformation. Debate, confrontation and insistence on Truth have been good for Catholicism even if it’s uncomfortable.
Jordon Peterson maybe sure, I give you that. maybe not this topic though, ben Shapiro is just a politician so no. And they are debating over a fairy tales. Calm down
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1st PperDragon The Crusades had NOTHIING to do with the evangelistic strategies practiced by Jesus and His apostles. By that time, Roman Catholicism had become far too politicized, far too similar to islam in its worldly aims and bondage to crude superstition. Just lying back and enjoying it as an agnostic is not very commendable. Try looking for the TRUTH. Search the Scriptures until you find it. God is able to speak through its pages, to those who are willing to listen.
@@jesusislordsavior6343 dude god has literally been telling people to commit mass genocide before the Catholic Church was even a thing. That’s one. 2. I’d definitely rather be agnostic after being feed BS in church since I was 3 years old.
@@1stpaperdragon740 God has NOT been saying any such thing, either literally or figuratively. are you insane, or incredibly ignorant? Which is it? Perhaps you are referring to the narrative in the book of Joshua, which pertained to the OLD COVENANT with Israel. God also reserves the right to destroy wicked civilizations when they have reached a point of no return. Observe the behavior and teaching of Jesus, and observe the evangelistic methods of the apostles as described in the book of ACTS in the New Testament. You will see that true preachers of Christ are called to SUFFER FOR HIS SAKE, to ENDURE PERSECUTION. They are not to cause others to suffer, or engage in persecution. You are quite mistaken! I don't care what you would 'rather be'. You are quite the purveyor of bovine excrement yourself. A paper dragon, when it breathes fire, must consume itself. Good luck with that, man. There are no fire extinguishers in hell, so consider how you might bail out, before it is too late.
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@@ezekieltete6584 my request to all brother and sisters all over the world is that plz go back to your scriptures... atleast must follow the one message common written in all scriptures of the UNIVERSE( BY THE HELP OF GOD I MUST GIVE YOU REFERENCES if you want WHETHER IT IS FROM JUDAISM CHRISTIANITY HINDUISM AND BUDHISM)that ALLAH ALMIGHTY (THE GOD,THE CREATOR,THE SUSTAINER,THE SUPREME POWER,THE REAL KING AND THE OWNER OF ALL) IS ONE,and Prophet Mohammed (SAW) IS HIS LAST AND FINAL MESSENGER...!!!to enter into peaceful and lovely life eternally... The truth is clear with logic... please follow for yourself... please prevent yourself from the eternal hellfire by accepting and practising atleast common message of Creator in the religious scriptures of the world....I invite all of you to show me one word of the holy Quran that is against the ethics of humanity...read about Islam...
@@justinsimon154 my request to all brother and sisters all over the world is that plz go back to your scriptures... atleast must follow the one message common written in all scriptures of the UNIVERSE( BY THE HELP OF GOD I MUST GIVE YOU REFERENCES if you want WHETHER IT IS FROM JUDAISM CHRISTIANITY HINDUISM AND BUDHISM)that ALLAH ALMIGHTY (THE GOD,THE CREATOR,THE SUSTAINER,THE SUPREME POWER,THE REAL KING AND THE OWNER OF ALL) IS ONE,and Prophet Mohammed (SAW) IS HIS LAST AND FINAL MESSENGER...!!!to enter into peaceful and lovely life eternally... The truth is clear with logic... please follow for yourself... please prevent yourself from the eternal hellfire by accepting and practising atleast common message of Creator in the religious scriptures of the world....I invite all of you to show me one word of the holy Quran that is against the ethics of humanity...read about Islam...
The apparent paradox between salvation through faith and the standing requirement to be moral. is resolved by faith implying action. in the Bible, 'faith' means 'trust' , and If you trust someone, you follow their advice, if not their commands. If you don't, to what extent do you trust them?
People followed gods endorsement to take and keep slaves because he said in the bible to do so, while others who also claimed to have faith in the same god, chose to be against it. It's hard to take religious people serious when they follow the same god, but have completely opposite views on what god wants and what is moral.
@@That1GuyOnTH-cam Sorry, which verse is that? And how do you ground moral objective truth without God? Otherwise it is hard to take your own argument seriously. In any case, you know it is right to love. So which God says, for example. 'Love your enemy'? Don't mean we're good at it, of course. But Jesus did say that if he did what he commanded we would know he was telling the truth (it's in John somewhere). So give it a go. Think of it as a test, if you like. Minimum one week,
It's just a treat to watch two extremely intelligent and respectful people who I admire, debate with each other and not get all upset etc. Both men are great people in their own right and it's cool to hear them debate like that......
I have come to understand that humility, meaning facing one's own darkness and recognise sins, allows us to be ready to receive healing and forgiveness through Christ' s atonement. It is all about opening our hearts to be able to receive. Nobody can deserve God's forgiveness, we all fall short but we can be ready for it.
Interesting ..do you know the reason for the differing opinions on salvation between denominations? And that's really surprising that they're are Christian sects like Protestants who think good deeds are not necessary to be saved, I always thought Christians thought both Faith and Works are imperative.
@@S_goldman_ the Catholics get lost on a few scriptures and miss the context of the whole conversation. Also believe that back in the Roman Catholic times when the churches of superpower they bent all this stuff to their will so they can control people. If you actually read the scripture, lost stuff, Catholicism follows isn't scriptural
Such a great discussion. My association with religion walks a similar, symbolic path as Peterson but I can't deny the wisdom that Shapiro brings to bear. A great demonstration in the advantages of opposing thought with civility and how we can really gain valuable insight.
O'Canain What is a 'symbolic path'?? Sounds terribly vague. Peterson is not a Christian, but someone who claims authority to interpret the Bible without understanding its doctrine. This is charlatanism. Jesus' Crucifixion, as recognized by responsible SECULAR scholars, is an indisputable FACT of history. His Resurrection, prophesied in certain ancient Hebrew texts (Psalm 16:10 for example), was witnessed by HUNDREDS of individuals over a period of several weeks following Jesus' execution. It was SO LITTLE EXPECTED that we may safely rule out 'mass hysteria' as a probable cause of existing reports. Read the 15th chapter of 1st Corinthians, where it is openly admitted that Christianity without a LITERAL Resurrection would be null and void.
Ben Shapiro is being carefully as of what and how to respond to in this dialog. Notice he is not speaking fast as he usually does in most debates, but he is choosing his words wisely, since he realizes how intelligent Mr. Peterson can be. As Peterson said it in his book, 12 Rules for Life. "Always assume that the other person knows something you don't."
As a Jew, Ben Shapiro understands the value of compassion and respect. We all admire Jordan very much.I don't think he feels his knowledge or faith is any "less than". One reason I converted away from Christianity and to Judaism is the evangelical nature of Christianity. When you are in an evangelical faith you prosthelytize and convert others. This feels disrespectful.
I understand what Jordan Peterson is saying learning and understanding Christ and scripture relating to our higher purpose. I know what Ben Shapiro is saying based on the outward appearance and popularized doctrines which are mainly modern not truly attributing the action of Christ's love for us to oneself but accepting what was done and living whatever way seems fit depending on the strength of that belief, sect, church, home, etc... Narrow is the way my friend.
The good doctor simply owns every conversation and debate he's involved in. He's probably the brightest, most RATIONALLY compassionate person I've ever heard speak, and I know some VERY intelligent people. My mother is by far and away the most intelligent person I've ever known.....so that says A LOT about Dr. Peterson.
Interesting how two non Christians are discussing Christianity. Ben has it more correct. It is about "faith", but there is an element of what Jordan says in the Christian life as well.
I agree with you but notice how the video is cut before Ben could get a response remember to see the truth especially if you don't see the hole story.(much love thx for your time)
Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
@@suyukthaseelam4297 my request to all brother and sisters all over the world is that plz go back to your scriptures... atleast must follow the one message common written in all scriptures of the UNIVERSE( BY THE HELP OF GOD I MUST GIVE YOU REFERENCES if you want WHETHER IT IS FROM JUDAISM CHRISTIANITY HINDUISM AND BUDHISM)that ALLAH ALMIGHTY (THE GOD,THE CREATOR,THE SUSTAINER,THE SUPREME POWER,THE REAL KING AND THE OWNER OF ALL) IS ONE,and Prophet Mohammed (SAW) IS HIS LAST AND FINAL MESSENGER...!!!to enter into peaceful and lovely life eternally... The truth is clear with logic... please follow for yourself... please prevent yourself from the eternal hellfire by accepting and practising atleast common message of Creator in the religious scriptures of the world....I invite all of you to show me one word of the holy Quran that is against the ethics of humanity...read about Islam...
@@chrisl8527 my request to all brother and sisters all over the world is that plz go back to your scriptures... atleast must follow the one message common written in all scriptures of the UNIVERSE( BY THE HELP OF GOD I MUST GIVE YOU REFERENCES if you want WHETHER IT IS FROM JUDAISM CHRISTIANITY HINDUISM AND BUDHISM)that ALLAH ALMIGHTY (THE GOD,THE CREATOR,THE SUSTAINER,THE SUPREME POWER,THE REAL KING AND THE OWNER OF ALL) IS ONE,and Prophet Mohammed (SAW) IS HIS LAST AND FINAL MESSENGER...!!!to enter into peaceful and lovely life eternally... The truth is clear with logic... please follow for yourself... please prevent yourself from the eternal hellfire by accepting and practising atleast common message of Creator in the religious scriptures of the world....I invite all of you to show me one word of the holy Quran that is against the ethics of humanity...read about Islam...
Probably the two greatest minds on the planet right now as far as thought experiments go, I could listen to them all day, respectful dialogue between two adults. That my friends is mental maturity!
I wouldn't put Ben in that category... I don't think I've ever seen Ben consider the idea of being wrong, about anything. He doesn't demonstrate that he still has learning from others to do.
It’s amazing to watch these two gentlemen discuss a real topic. Both are very smart and articulate in there beliefs. Amazing to watch these two amazing souls. A debate that’s not violent or people screaming at one another.
Peterson really reminds me of apostle Paul such a powerful conversion. God is using him so mightily! So exciting! I am a Hindu convert to Christianity 25 years ago. I just love how God works through powerful salvations.
@@FaithwalkerTodd I am so sorry but they are not sisters. Orthodoxy is the Truth. Catholicism is a distortion of the Truth. Before Catholicism and Orthodoxy became 2 churches, there was only one with the same dogmas, traditions and liturgy life. Then Catholicism was created and the church became 2 churches. So, the fundamentals of Catholicism is Orthodoxy, but as I said, Catholicism is a distortion of the truth=Orthodoxy.
FaithwalkerTodd The differences are rediculous indicating the political purposes behind the separation of the churches in year 1054 . From then the differences grew bigger mainly because of cultural influences of the multiple tribes lived with in either the Western or the Eastern Roman Empire that letter on evolved as Nations.
Notice how Jordan understood everything Ben was saying to articulate precise responses and didn't just go "hes wrong because he talks fast and tries to sound smart"
I think that Peterson's description of the example of Christ as being an undertaking of personal responsibility for the troubles of the world is true. It is what we're called to do as Christians. When Ben rejoins that Christians tend to see Christ as an absolution of responsibility I believe he's right often in point of fact, many Christians do, but not on theological grounds. What I mean here is that the theology suggests to me that we should follow Christ's example, but as Jordan points out, the highest ideal is also the harshest judge. Which means that we are _going to fail._ It's an undertaking that we can't succeed in. But that's ok, because we are in a state of grace granted by Christ. We don't need to succeed. We need to try. Our imperfection has already been redeemed in us by Christ. All that's left is choice. Whereas in Judaism, as Ben pointed out, you take personal responsibility for _your_ sins. Not for all the problems of the world. This is fair, but it is not Godly. And also there is the problem that you can't really take actual responsibility for your sins. What if you accidentally kill someone? How can you make up for that sin? Can you return that person to their loved ones? Can you bring forth the children they might have had if you hadn't killed them? No, your sin has an unalterable and irredeemable quality to it. So the Judaic personal responsibility paradigm is insufficient in scope and thrust. It's just a good starting point. The Christian idea of shouldering the world's burdens, or as the bard would say 'suffering the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune', is a more generous and Godly pursuit. While simultaneously we need to be redeemed because of just how harsh a judge that highest of ideals is, and how certain our failure to live up to it is. As for the matter of faith based Christianity versus act based Judaism I believe this to be a false dichotomy. The gospels say that all you need is faith, yet they also say that faith without works is death. Which means that if you profess to be a believer and yet you perform no acts in accordance with your belief then you do not, in fact, have faith. You have empty words. How this differs from Judaism is that the acts in Christ flow from one's faith in Jesus and God. The acts in Judaism are by rote. They are associated with faith, and you're _supposed_ to have faith, but they are often learned by rote and passed down as the minimum you need to do to pass (in life or after). That is to say, it's possible to perform those acts as a social contract and not through faith. So when Jesus said he came not to destroy the law but to fulfill it, he meant to bring people's actions in line with the intention of the law. So in reality Christianity is a more refined, gracious, and fulfilled version of Judaism. Albeit uncommon for Christians to live up to.
I agree. Greatest comment in my personal history of using TH-cam. Amazing intellect coupled with a hunger for God and a humble heart equals just that I guess
There is a primary ethic in Judaism called ‘tikkun olam’ = repairing the world, in order to create the a state closer to perfection in order for the messiah to come redeem us. So we have to do the work first, through the 613 mitzvot. Judaism is always about action before words. The nation of Israel responded to Yahweh upon receiving the commandments: Na’aseh V’nishma’ = we will DO and we will listen= action first as a way to perform alchemy in the world. Judaism sees the performance of mitzvot as a transformative metaphysical act that flows from doing. Judaism has never been about doing just enough to save yourself and a deep responsibility for the other is foundational in Jewish theology. We see this in the ecstatic evangelism within Judaism forged by the Chabad charter- it is outward directed and is looking to spread the good news of its own! Later philosophers grounded in Judaism (though not orthodox) Martin Buber and Emmanuel Levinas begin with our relation to the other and our responsibility to them. So while I actually agree about the moral & spiritual evolution that was represented by the Christ figure and have a great deal of respect for it, your take on Judaism working by ‘rote’ or being only concerned with self-responsibility is a misunderstanding.
@@jesusislordsavior6343 without men the word of god could not spread. Without men the Bible would not have been writing, the love between men and god are inseparable
@@Justin33B Good. Did I contradict any of these assertions previously? But God is the One Who INITIATES the relationship in ALL aspects. He GRACIOUSLY invites sinners into fellowship with Him and thereby into His ministry of reconciliation. (Romans 5:8) 'For God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.'
the beautiful thing about this is the absolute lack of egoism and narcicism, think of music for example, the less its played with egoism, trying to show off and stuff, the more it merges with the soul, and the more you actually listen in a debate, the more two souls can merge into this beautiful dance we call talking.
I don’t even like either of these guys but honestly if this is all they talked about I would listen constantly. This was really well done and fascinating to listen to.
@@roddyboethius1722 Praise be to our Creator Almighty! my request to all brother and sisters all over the world is that plz go back to your scriptures... atleast must follow the one message common written in all scriptures of the UNIVERSE( BY THE HELP OF GOD I MUST GIVE YOU REFERENCES if you want WHETHER IT IS FROM JUDAISM CHRISTIANITY HINDUISM AND BUDHISM)that ALLAH ALMIGHTY (THE GOD,THE CREATOR,THE SUSTAINER,THE SUPREME POWER,THE REAL KING AND THE OWNER OF ALL) IS ONE,and Prophet Mohammed (SAW) IS HIS LAST AND FINAL MESSENGER...!!!to enter into peaceful and lovely life eternally... The truth is clear with logic... please follow for yourself... please prevent yourself from the eternal hellfire by accepting and practising atleast common message of Creator in the religious scriptures of the world....I invite all of you to show me one word of the holy Quran that is against the ethics of humanity...read about Islam...
@@vikkiwhite711 When did you hear this? What is your evidence? I am very eager to see it, and it had better be good. Everything I've heard him say in the past was heresy, so naturally I am skeptical. But if you are correct, I will have to change my tune. Do me a favor and respond.
@Ameya Anu What do you mean? When people use the word 'Christian' as an adjective, they could mean any number of things. Probably better to use it as a noun, referring to a follower of Jesus Christ. But we're used to sloppy thinking, and when I say 'we', I don't exclude myself. I guess you don't mean 'conforming to Biblical teaching', because JP's precepts are derived from modern secular sources. I think he admits that.
Jordan's Interview 1 day ago was very touching. It is where he is at right now, very honest, raw and real. He doesn't claim to know it all, but it is obvious his heart has been touched by God. Hope you find and watch the video. You can make your own decision. GOD Bless 😃
I’m Protestant but my church follows importantly the idea of relationship and responsibility within Christ. So although he’s done much for us (the burden of the cross) that is impossible to return, we would be without relationship with Christ if we did nothing in return to show our loyalty to him, hence taking on moral responsibility and following his rules to be more like him. i.e. someone full of love and duty in all of its aspects
Jesus has never been proven to exist, and if he did he would have been a Jew. You've been deceived to worship the Israeli god of War and Chaos(Yahweh), and help usher in demonic Jewish prophesies.
@@CommandoJenkins for orbanus-eaters!!! orbanus-Nazi State Media: You have met Viktor Orban, who is also often maligned by certain media outlets. Do you think what you could have read about him reflects reality? JBPeterson: Possibly, I can't say for certain. I know that one of the things your führer is trying to do is reinstitute the metaphysical foundations of Hungarian culture. He might be lucky and succeed.
These two coming together is like two heavy weight champions of the world getting in the ring. I imagine if this was strength over brains we would had a 1M advertising budget to promote this. Great show.
This is amazing just a intelligent conversation. Both dress professionally, drink water instead of liquor and no threats to one another. Its just so foreign seeing this kind of conversation in modern day. So this is breath of fresh air to watch.
@@nathankennedy3927 it doesn't exit but it does exist. Blesseded are those who see and believe like doubting Thomas but even more blesseded are those who do not have to see to believe! That's faith, nothing in life is meaningful without it. What do you have faith in?
That's what the Catholics, Orthodox and some Protestants teach. Martin Luther opened the door for "faith alone" Christianity, which eventually became the dominant belief in the US.
Ben said when theologians differentiate Judaism from Christianity he finds it not accurate but when Jews do the same distinguish Christianity from Judaism there are commonalities. His ideas are clashing.
10:05 I'm pissed they cut out what Jordan Peterson was gonna say afterward, but yes, Ben hit the nail on the head. Yes, if you truly love God with all your heart, mind, and soul, and you love your neighbor as you love yourself, then you will have everlasting life in Heaven. As a Catholic I remember learning in Sunday school about these things and one of the biggest things we were taught was to live your life the most Christlike you can be, that doesn't mean that literally, but like I had previously stated, you follow the commandments God gave us, which in summary is loving God with all your heart, mind, and soul, as well as loving your neighbors as you love yourself.
@@patrickdiverpd Eles trocaram o mandamento de Deus em lugar da tradição. E, com isso, adicionaram doutrinas contrarias aos fundamentos da fé, o que os tornou heréticos.
@@patrickdiverpd Don't entertain him. He's simply repeating false statements made by some of the more feral protestants to keep their flock indoctrinated. It's sad, really, these false teachers leading the weak minded astray; and dangerous for the teacher and the taught.
2 exceptionally talented and decent people engaging in a truly fascinating debate. I wish religions would come together in such a respectful way more often instead of trying to attack one another.
Part of what makes us human is the ability of free will. You can’t be a horrible person and believe in Christ. Christ is not a “get out of jail” card. As a Catholic, I can go confess my sins all I want, but there’s only one entity that will truly know the purity of my heart.
What what about the scores of people who have committed heinous crimes and saying "Jesus told me to do it." And what about the Crusades? And the Inquisition? All those people did their crimes in the name of Christ.
Peterson nails it. The finished work of the cross isn't completed by copping out and excusing responsibility - that's just sloth. Faith without works is DEAD.
So many people misunderstand that saying. Jesus wasnt saying that you have to work to be saved or maintain your salvation. A person's salvation is all of God and none of men. Saved by GRACE THROUGH FAITH. Grace is unearned, it can't be earned. What Jesus was saying is that works will become evident of an inward change. Even if a born again Christian is faithless at times, 2 Timothy 2:13 "if we are faithless, he remains faithful, for he cannot disown himself".
@@tiktokcrazy6965 Yes, you can, by rejecting God's Grace. St. Paul even warns the Galatians that they're severing themselves from Christ and have fallen away from Grace by Judaizing (Gal 5:4).
Oh look a Christ plus guy. Yawn. When you are saved the good works you do are not your good works but instead Christ doing those.good works through you. On our own our righteousness (so-called) is as filthy rags.
That's the first thing that popped in my head after Peterson said that and then Ben added the difference between Jews and Christians: Jew are action based and Christians are faith based and that's all we do essentially lol. That was the upcoming transition John the Baptist was explaining to them in Mark. Mark 1:8 " I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost." Jesus fulfilled the Law. Jesus *is* the Sabbath. James 2:17 is all about faith without works is dead. James explains that belief that leads to no change or no works, is not saving faith at all. The works do not save us, but they do reveal the character of our trust in God. Jews believe their actions lead to righteousness: "If you dress in all black, wear a white robe, eat only Kosher foods, you face Jerusalem, pray only in Hebrew, grow a nice long beard, and if you do all those cultural things, you'll discover God."- Mottel Baleston.
Now THIS looks like a great discussion if I can only follow it. What a blessing to be alive in a time when we can hear such discussion by brilliant minds.
@@scottblack7182 Sure, I'll read more books though it's not a big mystery why you don't get it. Maybe if you learned proper grammar and punctuation first...
@@scottblack7182 Praise be to our Creator Almighty! my request to all brother and sisters all over the world is that plz go back to your scriptures... atleast must follow the one message common written in all scriptures of the UNIVERSE( BY THE HELP OF GOD I MUST GIVE YOU REFERENCES if you want WHETHER IT IS FROM JUDAISM CHRISTIANITY HINDUISM AND BUDHISM)that ALLAH ALMIGHTY (THE GOD,THE CREATOR,THE SUSTAINER,THE SUPREME POWER,THE REAL KING AND THE OWNER OF ALL) IS ONE,and Prophet Mohammed (SAW) IS HIS LAST AND FINAL MESSENGER...!!!to enter into peaceful and lovely life eternally... The truth is clear with logic... please follow for yourself... please prevent yourself from the eternal hellfire by accepting and practising atleast common message of Creator in the religious scriptures of the world....I invite all of you to show me one word of the holy Quran that is against the ethics of humanity...read about Islam...
@@tomcha75 Praise be to our Creator Almighty! my request to all brother and sisters all over the world is that plz go back to your scriptures... atleast must follow the one message common written in all scriptures of the UNIVERSE( BY THE HELP OF GOD I MUST GIVE YOU REFERENCES if you want WHETHER IT IS FROM JUDAISM CHRISTIANITY HINDUISM AND BUDHISM)that ALLAH ALMIGHTY (THE GOD,THE CREATOR,THE SUSTAINER,THE SUPREME POWER,THE REAL KING AND THE OWNER OF ALL) IS ONE,and Prophet Mohammed (SAW) IS HIS LAST AND FINAL MESSENGER...!!!to enter into peaceful and lovely life eternally... The truth is clear with logic... please follow for yourself... please prevent yourself from the eternal hellfire by accepting and practising atleast common message of Creator in the religious scriptures of the world....I invite all of you to show me one word of the holy Quran that is against the ethics of humanity...read about Islam...
My dad explained being like Jesus perfectly. He asked me what the best golf score is. I said a 52 and he said no its 18. I replied how can you possibly shoot a 18 and he said that’s like being like Jesus. You can’t possibly do it but you should try your best at it. Some holes you will bogey or triple but he still loves you and you get in the cart and go to the next hole.
Yeah jesus christ he totally been sticking with the most people who are lookdown outcasted by society also physically/ mentally abused by various unfortunate things. Im sure its impossibly heavy hard to carry cross with jesus everyday if we never consider ourselves deserving of getting crucifix for our sin. We know what kind of people end up there before JESUS CHRIST.
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thank you!
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Thank goodness. Thank you!
Faith doesn't alleviate moral responsibility for the Christian; it just removes the motivation of damnation/salvation. Instead of doing good to avoid Hell, the true Christian does good out of love.
This is true.
So what? Hell is still the prime mover. The Christian was motivated by fear of Hell to get "saved". And not everyone is motivated to get "saved". Sure, I understand that Hell was built for people like me, but I choose that out of fear of being stuck in Heaven with you.
@@shelbukowski1443 "Hell is still the prime mover. The Christian was motivated by fear of Hell to get "saved"." < Please cite references that prove this assertion
I have nothing to prove. And I don't need references to make an assertion. @@Mikenoronha
@@shelbukowski1443 The "so what" is that its impossible to be altruistic as long as being "good" bestows a personal benefit. Self-sacrifice by definition requires that the actor give of themselves without gaining anything in return. Salvation from Hell isn't the result of the action of the Christian, but the result of the self-sacrifice of Christ and is a free gift to the lost. The assertion that fear of Hell is the prime mover of good works is false for the Christian. Those who accept the gift of Christ's sacrifice are free from fear of Hell, and can proceed through life doing good for good sake, rather than to "earn" a ticket into Heaven. No Christian lives up to this ideal, but that's why the ideal exists. It's an aspirational goal.
Notice how they aren't trying to kill each other.
Good observation
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@@sawyerweathers8713 my request to all brother and sisters all over the world is that plz go back to your scriptures... atleast must follow the one message common written in all scriptures of the UNIVERSE( BY THE HELP OF GOD I MUST GIVE YOU REFERENCES if you want WHETHER IT IS FROM JUDAISM CHRISTIANITY HINDUISM AND BUDHISM)that ALLAH ALMIGHTY (THE GOD,THE CREATOR,THE SUSTAINER,THE SUPREME POWER,THE REAL KING AND THE OWNER OF ALL) IS ONE,and Prophet Mohammed (SAW) IS HIS LAST AND FINAL MESSENGER...!!!to enter into peaceful and lovely life eternally... The truth is clear with logic... please follow for yourself... please prevent yourself from the eternal hellfire by accepting and practising atleast common message of Creator in the religious scriptures of the world....I invite all of you to show me one word of the holy Quran that is against the ethics of humanity...read about Islam...
@@tinyflyingdragons9432 my request to all brother and sisters all over the world is that plz go back to your scriptures... atleast must follow the one message common written in all scriptures of the UNIVERSE( BY THE HELP OF GOD I MUST GIVE YOU REFERENCES if you want WHETHER IT IS FROM JUDAISM CHRISTIANITY HINDUISM AND BUDHISM)that ALLAH ALMIGHTY (THE GOD,THE CREATOR,THE SUSTAINER,THE SUPREME POWER,THE REAL KING AND THE OWNER OF ALL) IS ONE,and Prophet Mohammed (SAW) IS HIS LAST AND FINAL MESSENGER...!!!to enter into peaceful and lovely life eternally... The truth is clear with logic... please follow for yourself... please prevent yourself from the eternal hellfire by accepting and practising atleast common message of Creator in the religious scriptures of the world....I invite all of you to show me one word of the holy Quran that is against the ethics of humanity...read about Islam...
@@KevinVang1000 my request to all brother and sisters all over the world is that plz go back to your scriptures... atleast must follow the one message common written in all scriptures of the UNIVERSE( BY THE HELP OF GOD I MUST GIVE YOU REFERENCES if you want WHETHER IT IS FROM JUDAISM CHRISTIANITY HINDUISM AND BUDHISM)that ALLAH ALMIGHTY (THE GOD,THE CREATOR,THE SUSTAINER,THE SUPREME POWER,THE REAL KING AND THE OWNER OF ALL) IS ONE,and Prophet Mohammed (SAW) IS HIS LAST AND FINAL MESSENGER...!!!to enter into peaceful and lovely life eternally... The truth is clear with logic... please follow for yourself... please prevent yourself from the eternal hellfire by accepting and practising atleast common message of Creator in the religious scriptures of the world....I invite all of you to show me one word of the holy Quran that is against the ethics of humanity...read about Islam...
I love seeing two intelligent humans having a civil debate. No immature bullshit or threats or anything like that. Just two guys talking. Why can’t people act like this more often?
I agree! I have learned so much.
That is why the Jews are God’s chosen people because they are so intelligent.
Not my fault people want to be assholes
Other people aren't as emotionally intelligent to have such a discussion.
Jordan B Peterson is on the payroll of Orban the Neonazi Terrorist leader organizer of the Magyar Gárda neonazi paramilitary group 2007-2010 and since the dictator of Hungary
As the guest of Führer Orban in the Führer Castle of Buda, Knight Impotent B. Peterson:
"my message to the Hungarians: Do not rebel against your leader! What your prime minister is trying to do is to restore the metaphysical foundation of the Hungarian culture.
To answer Ben when he said “I think Christian’s just re read themselves back into an acts based Christianity”, he’s not entirely wrong, the idea is that the closer your relationship is with god, the more you end up following what god said to do, that’s because you’ll no longer have the desire to sin and end up with a loving heart
amen brother. thank you jesus 🙏
The more you read the bible you understand Yeshua more and how his followers understand him so little.
Many Christians why Yeshua died on cross.
Simple answer for atoinment of sins.
But this explanation need more meat for people to understand its more spiritual than physical.
New testament is so spiritual.
Im doing this out of love: God*
@@usherpoppen6820not a huge deal but you are right that capitalizing God’s name is always respectful.
"What god said to do" according to which of the over 100 versions of the Bible, the 40,000+ denominations of Christianity, the 70+ interpretations of the Torah, or the 4 main branches of Judaism?
Not including Islam, or the 100s of other religions and interpretations of their chosen gods?
As an orthodox Christian, Jordan got this exactly right towards the end. We acknowledge Jesus took on our burdens and was perfect.... AND we acknowledge that that it is the ideal worth copying.
@@rainbowgames1 You misunderstood my meaning. We are to copy christs example of selflessness and the burden of doing good that does not benefit ourselves- not taking on the sins of the world....Only Christ was perfect enough to do that.
@@rainbowgames1 No worries. Yes, Jordan started out very shaky in the beginning but then came around to a fairly accurate birds eye view IMHO. Ben never did come around but I still have immense respect for both men.
Christ has just started to call out to Jordan, and to wake him up. He will get there. Orthodox Church, true Church.
Who is "we"?
@@quick2311990 my request to all brother and sisters all over the world is that plz go back to your scriptures... atleast must follow the one message common written in all scriptures of the UNIVERSE( BY THE HELP OF GOD I MUST GIVE YOU REFERENCES if you want WHETHER IT IS FROM JUDAISM CHRISTIANITY HINDUISM AND BUDHISM)that ALLAH ALMIGHTY (THE GOD,THE CREATOR,THE SUSTAINER,THE SUPREME POWER,THE REAL KING AND THE OWNER OF ALL) IS ONE,and Prophet Mohammed (SAW) IS HIS LAST AND FINAL MESSENGER...!!!to enter into peaceful and lovely life eternally... The truth is clear with logic... please follow for yourself... please prevent yourself from the eternal hellfire by accepting and practising atleast common message of Creator in the religious scriptures of the world....I invite all of you to show me one word of the holy Quran that is against the ethics of humanity...read about Islam...
Man I love when intelligent people talk about potentially controversial topics without being offensive.
All the turmoil starts without knowing God is the Creator.
They are being offensive to some extent, i think the difference is they don’t get hung up on it
@@brandonborn9540 yup
Oh boy, it sure is offensive
It's pride that becomes the issue
@@283ubrjru pride a bitch ain’t it. Can see everyone else’s bit our own.
The thing is this, Ben is right about Christianity in the sense that we recognize that only Jesus can take the sins of the world, and that our duty is to accept what he has done. But Jordan Peterson is also right when he takes about Christians taking up the suffering of the world, seeing Christ as an example.
So basically, we recognize that sin can only be dealt with by Christ, and we also accept that its our responsibility to be the light of the world just as Jesus was/is.
We see the problems of the world as our responsibility to solve, not by our own strength but nonetheless. We also believe that its our responsibility to direct men to Christ whom can cleanse their sins.
You wanna know what really fascinates me about this - two very brilliant men here. Jordon, supposedly representing Christianity, doesn't understand it's a childlike faith (meaning it's not hard to understand) that we can do absolutely nothing to save ourselves. Ben on the other hand, representing Judaism, fully understands what I just said but prefers not to believe it. He thinks Jesus was just some dude who tried to convince people to overthrow the Roman government, yet nothing about his life suggests that at all. In fact it's the opposite - many of the people who wanted to follow Him ended up being disappointed because he didn't do that very thing. They wanted a political Messiah, which is not why Jesus came in the first place.
Bottom line friends - on political issues, they both rock, don't look to either one of these guys for theological truth.
@@58HUSTLER Strange the scripture told us to expect a liberator.
I have good news!
G-d can forgive sins without human sacrifice
Jews are the chosen ones, everything started with them, they are the perfect humans.. Gentiles who are Christians are just the additional ones who Christ allows in heaven when we follow the same set of rules...
Christians should NOT be listening to Jordan Peterson th-cam.com/video/V8y4FaHLV98/w-d-xo.html
This is exactly how debates should be. Just because you’re loud doesn’t mean you’re right. It’s nice hearing 2 people have a discussion and not one interrupt each other.
This isn't a debate lol. Jordan isn't a real Christian. He just plays one.
@@dudebro3250 I guess your a Real Christian...what ever that means??
He called Ben an “Old Testament Guy”😂😂
lol
When in “Ben” is a Talmud guy as far as I can tell...
@Ray Hernandez dude just why
Which is false, the old testament is not the hebrew Bible.
Alperen 0485 yes it is
As Christians, we believe that Jesus says by that “whomever loves me will obey my commandments”. So we are called to obey the same commandments.
Bingo
And it is also written: "heaven and earth may pass away, but a single of the commandments will not pass away"
As Christians, your organizations teach that history is irrelevant and that pledging allegiance to the church is more important than the man named Jesus who led a revolt against Rome and was crucified for the revolt, not for religious disputes. (Even the bible attests to this, as Stephen was stoned for saying Jesus was God, but Jesus apparently was not stoned for saying Jesus was god. it makes no sense to apply the justification "because the people loved Jesus" because Stephen was speaking about Jesus. Jesus was crucified by Pilate, a man who ruthlessly crucified any messianic aspirant for any reason whatsoever. He held more crucifixions than any other Roman governor of Judea. It was so bad that the people lodged a formal complaint.
Churches don't teach their history, and that's why they produce so many blind followers who don't obey anything but themselves. If 70% of your congregations are fake or ignorant, that is the fault of the church.
Also, I want to point out that I was very nice to only say 70% because we both know that number is ridiculously lowballed, assuming you've spent some amount of time in churches.... with an S.
@@codyhumble7855 my request to all brother and sisters all over the world is that plz go back to your scriptures... atleast must follow the one message common written in all scriptures of the UNIVERSE( BY THE HELP OF GOD I MUST GIVE YOU REFERENCES if you want WHETHER IT IS FROM JUDAISM CHRISTIANITY HINDUISM AND BUDHISM)that ALLAH ALMIGHTY (THE GOD,THE CREATOR,THE SUSTAINER,THE SUPREME POWER,THE REAL KING AND THE OWNER OF ALL) IS ONE,and Prophet Mohammed (SAW) IS HIS LAST AND FINAL MESSENGER...!!!to enter into peaceful and lovely life eternally... The truth is clear with logic... please follow for yourself... please prevent yourself from the eternal hellfire by accepting and practising atleast common message of Creator in the religious scriptures of the world....I invite all of you to show me one word of the holy Quran that is against the ethics of humanity...read about Islam...
@@ObliviAce my request to all brother and sisters all over the world is that plz go back to your scriptures... atleast must follow the one message common written in all scriptures of the UNIVERSE( BY THE HELP OF GOD I MUST GIVE YOU REFERENCES if you want WHETHER IT IS FROM JUDAISM CHRISTIANITY HINDUISM AND BUDHISM)that ALLAH ALMIGHTY (THE GOD,THE CREATOR,THE SUSTAINER,THE SUPREME POWER,THE REAL KING AND THE OWNER OF ALL) IS ONE,and Prophet Mohammed (SAW) IS HIS LAST AND FINAL MESSENGER...!!!to enter into peaceful and lovely life eternally... The truth is clear with logic... please follow for yourself... please prevent yourself from the eternal hellfire by accepting and practising atleast common message of Creator in the religious scriptures of the world....I invite all of you to show me one word of the holy Quran that is against the ethics of humanity...read about Islam...
You know these two gentlemen respect each other by the silence and focus they both display.
FINALLY!
A logical, great, beautiful well thought conversation about 2 different religions not screaming at each other stating which religion is more evil. These two people keep giving me more hope in humanity the more I listen and watch their vids.
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for orbanus-eaters!!!
orbanus-Nazi State Media: You have met Viktor Orban, who is also often maligned by certain media outlets. Do you think what you could have read about him reflects reality?
JBPeterson: Possibly, I can't say for certain. I know that one of the things your führer is trying to do is reinstitute the metaphysical foundations of Hungarian culture. He might be lucky and succeed.
I wish they said KAramAzov instead of KarAmazOff, it's not hard to know two things about Russian by your 50
@@GEMSofGOD_com He said Karamazov.
@@Ludwig_nicht14 idiot
"Well thought" conversation between 2 different religions?
Religion is the core opposite of science and logic. So how on EARTH can you have a well thought discussion about something that is illogical and scientifically unfounded? Is beyond me...
These are 2 very high IQ people debating about 2 things that are EQUALLY wrong.
Oh my Lord... Jordan Peterson passion for Christ is astronomical. I have another level respect for Jordan.
Hows that? I have only listened to a little of him so can't fully form an opinion yet, but it seems he misses the point of Christianity, doesn't believe in Jesus as God in the flesh but just a man nor does he trust in him and what he did on cross to pay for his sins.
@islanti thanks, I've since learnt that.
He believes in Christianity so far as Christianity is truth
@@MelbourneBossKing my request to all brother and sisters all over the world is that plz go back to your scriptures... atleast must follow the one message common written in all scriptures of the UNIVERSE( BY THE HELP OF GOD I MUST GIVE YOU REFERENCES if you want WHETHER IT IS FROM JUDAISM CHRISTIANITY HINDUISM AND BUDHISM)that ALLAH ALMIGHTY (THE GOD,THE CREATOR,THE SUSTAINER,THE SUPREME POWER,THE REAL KING AND THE OWNER OF ALL) IS ONE,and Prophet Mohammed (SAW) IS HIS LAST AND FINAL MESSENGER...!!!to enter into peaceful and lovely life eternally... The truth is clear with logic... please follow for yourself... please prevent yourself from the eternal hellfire by accepting and practising atleast common message of Creator in the religious scriptures of the world....I invite all of you to show me one word of the holy Quran that is against the ethics of humanity...read about Islam...
@@MelbourneBossKing my request to all brother and sisters all over the world is that plz go back to your scriptures... atleast must follow the one message common written in all scriptures of the UNIVERSE( BY THE HELP OF GOD I MUST GIVE YOU REFERENCES if you want WHETHER IT IS FROM JUDAISM CHRISTIANITY HINDUISM AND BUDHISM)that ALLAH ALMIGHTY (THE GOD,THE CREATOR,THE SUSTAINER,THE SUPREME POWER,THE REAL KING AND THE OWNER OF ALL) IS ONE,and Prophet Mohammed (SAW) IS HIS LAST AND FINAL MESSENGER...!!!to enter into peaceful and lovely life eternally... The truth is clear with logic... please follow for yourself... please prevent yourself from the eternal hellfire by accepting and practising atleast common message of Creator in the religious scriptures of the world....I invite all of you to show me one word of the holy Quran that is against the ethics of humanity...read about Islam...
Wow. It's great to be alive in an era where I can hear a discourse between people like Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson.
Right? We were born to witness a special time.
They are the two most litterate people we have the chance to know.
Ben is a right wing goober. He judges moslim lives to be less then others and thinks civilian casualty 's are fine if it stops American soldiers from dying. He is so messed up in the head. Why is he not hated more?
@@BradyDoesntMiss Praise be to our Creator Almighty!
my request to all brother and sisters all over the world is that plz go back to your scriptures... atleast must follow the one message common written in all scriptures of the UNIVERSE( BY THE HELP OF GOD I MUST GIVE YOU REFERENCES if you want WHETHER IT IS FROM JUDAISM CHRISTIANITY HINDUISM AND BUDHISM)that ALLAH ALMIGHTY (THE GOD,THE CREATOR,THE SUSTAINER,THE SUPREME POWER,THE REAL KING AND THE OWNER OF ALL) IS ONE,and Prophet Mohammed (SAW) IS HIS LAST AND FINAL MESSENGER...!!!to enter into peaceful and lovely life eternally... The truth is clear with logic... please follow for yourself... please prevent yourself from the eternal hellfire by accepting and practising atleast common message of Creator in the religious scriptures of the world....I invite all of you to show me one word of the holy Quran that is against the ethics of humanity...read about Islam...
@Pablo Escargot Praise be to our Creator Almighty!
my request to all brother and sisters all over the world is that plz go back to your scriptures... atleast must follow the one message common written in all scriptures of the UNIVERSE( BY THE HELP OF GOD I MUST GIVE YOU REFERENCES if you want WHETHER IT IS FROM JUDAISM CHRISTIANITY HINDUISM AND BUDHISM)that ALLAH ALMIGHTY (THE GOD,THE CREATOR,THE SUSTAINER,THE SUPREME POWER,THE REAL KING AND THE OWNER OF ALL) IS ONE,and Prophet Mohammed (SAW) IS HIS LAST AND FINAL MESSENGER...!!!to enter into peaceful and lovely life eternally... The truth is clear with logic... please follow for yourself... please prevent yourself from the eternal hellfire by accepting and practising atleast common message of Creator in the religious scriptures of the world....I invite all of you to show me one word of the holy Quran that is against the ethics of humanity...read about Islam...
Now I can understand why so many people hate this man. “If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first’’
Who among these two?
@@howepellin We will never know.
@@howepellin Jordan.
@@esayefishatsyen3744 this person is quoting what Jesus said in the Bible
@@carebear9 I know, I was just joking.
I think the big difference between this discussion and so many others on TH-cam involving Ben or Jordan is that both these men are allowing the other to make their point before responding. It’s so refreshing.
This is refreshing to hear a debate that does not get violent.
It's a well coordinated talk/discussion. This is how it should be.
I disagree.
@@jonchance5675 ok odin
@@jonchance5675 Rawr
It gets Violent because men “” don’t know how to talk these men here we see before us they are the best speakers so when men know how to speak amazing things happen but when they don’t wars are waged
When both of their ideas are total nonsense and the “debate” is just them declaring the nonsensical things they believe yea It is pretty peaceful, how do you get mad at nonsense when you know it’s nonsense and you know what you’re saying is nonsense as well
Two very brilliant men discussing different faiths with utter respect for each other. This is how discussion should be. 👏 well done boys. A big fan of both
You mean: "Two media-created 'celebrities' who use their Public Platforms to stir up artificial Shit-Storms in order to keep themselves high in the TH-cam Algorithm?"
It's not like either of them are even SLIGHTLY respected or even noted -- among ACTUAL Public Intellectuals OR in the Academy!
Was I sent to the whole world or to certain people, O Jesus?
Jesus: He answered and said: I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. (Matthew 15:24). Ok, why were you sent and what is your message to the Children of Israel for which you came? Jesus: And Joshua answered him, “The first of all the revelations is: Hear, O Israel. The Lord our God is one Lord. (Mark 12:26) Since you say that the Lord is your God, and you are not the Lord, as some say, who are you then?
Jesus: I am a man who has told you the truth which I heard from God (John 8:40).
And what do you say about those who claim that you are the Lord?
Jesus: 22 Many will say to me on that day: Lord, Lord! Did not in your name prophesy, and in your name we cast out demons, and in your name we did many miracles? 23 Then I will declare to them: I don't know you, wake up! Go to me, you who work iniquity! (Matthew 7:22, 23)
But you were saying to God, my father, does this not mean that you are the son of God?
Jesus: Joshua said to her: “Do not touch me, for I have not gone to my Father tomorrow. But go to my brothers and say to them, “I am most in love with my Father and your Father, and my God and your God.” (John 20:17)
There are those who say that you are a god with God, so what do you say?
Jesus raises his eyes to heaven, saying, and this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you sent. (John 17:3)
You are the one who decides because you are responsible for yourself, so search for the correct religion, for it is the way to your salvation. Read, and research it yourself, and be impartial in your search, and do not rely only on what is mentioned in the Bible, your books and your heritage. This is not considered a search for the truth. You may be mistaken in your choice. There is no shame in searching for the truth in more than one way. Here we have shown the way.
And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he will be among the losers
)The religion with Allah is Islam (
IFLAF.
Now try and bring a muslim in this debate 😅😅😅
@@girlalhuda1825 oh sorry haven’t noticed one was here already 😅
All religions/spiritual cults are man made control $y$tem$.
This was one of the best conversations on religion I've ever seen.
That is why the Jews are God’s chosen people because they are so intelligent.
@Elaine keep copy pasting your comments everywhere. Don't forget that pride is a sin.
@@Petal4822 yet you can’t preserve the original Old Testament scripture
Jesus is the incarnate of God, the awaited Messiah (the Christ) prophesied in the Hebrew Bible.
For Jesus is the propitiation for our sin, as well as our advocate before the Father (John 2:1; 4:10).
Because Jesus died for our sins and rose from the dead, we will live eternally in His presence, enjoying and praising Him forever (Revelation 21:3, 22-26).
@@Mo-gg8ts It is preserved there is only one version of the Torah, unlike the thousands of versions of the Christian bible or the hundreds of Qurans. Christians believe in the Torah. Muslims claim that Jews altered the Jewish text to contradict Islamic ones. This itself is contradicted by the fact that the Hebrew Bible was already in the hand of Gentiles (Non Jewish people)
I’m so grateful for this! They’re two well prepared and educated guys, politely debating and challenging each other’s arguments; it’s so refreshing seeing such a conversation in 2023. Good old days in which our TV broadcasted intellectual debates in which the topic was not “Does a trans man has to remove their testicles?”.
@philosophyInsights orbanus-Nazi State Media: You have met Viktor Orban, who is also often maligned by certain media outlets. Do you think what you could have read about him reflects reality?
JBPeterson: Possibly, I can't say for certain. I know that one of the things your führer is trying to do is reinstitute the metaphysical foundations of Hungarian culture. He might be lucky and succeed.
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Wonder what these guys actually do for fun
Lol. They read books
@@JustTayo about not so fun topics I imagine xD
@@dante19890 definitely not fun
They actually met at a swingers club! Balls deep in each other’s wives 🤷🏽♀️ go figure! Ha
Magic.Mike if you are who you say you are then... ok 🤣
This is how all religious discussions should be. Very civil and respectful.
I'm a Christian (I believe in Jesus and I believe the Bible.) Seeing two people I have admired and learned a lot from like Ben and Peterson talk about it is really, really, cool. Thank you for this video. 💪😎
Exodus 4:22
Then say to Pharaoh, ‘This is what the Lord says: Israel is my firstborn son 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
yeah but where were you January 6th, 2021??
@@GS-vs4xg
But is He concerned ONLY with Israel? See how the missionary emphasis develops as the Old Testament progresses. Was not Abraham called that many nations might be blessed? See Genesis 22:18. And to be clear, Abraham himself was not an ancestor of the Jews only.
A 'mixed multitude' accompany the Israelites on their journey through Sinai.
Moses marries an Ethiopian woman in his old age. Generations later,
Boaz marries the Moabitess Ruth, grandmother of King David, ancestress of the Messiah along with her predecessor, Rahab the harlot.
Observe the book of Jonah, where Jonah preaches to the city of Nineveh and is spectacularly successful, despite his wish not to succeed.
See how foreign kings like Nebuchadnezzar feel compelled to pay homage to the God of Israel, Who is also God of the Gentiles, though they do not yet know it.
Jesus said in John 4:22 that 'salvation is from the Jews'.
However He NEVER said that salvation is guaranteed to all Jews based on their Jewishness. Nor did He say that non-Jews could not be saved.
(Romans 1:16) 'For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.'
The Greeks stand in this instance as representatives of the entire Gentile world.
Do you expect to find Leon Trotsky in heaven? On what basis do you expect to get there? Do you observe Mosaic sacrificial laws for the purification of sins?
In Hebrews 9:22 it says that 'without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.' Christ did not die in vain, and He did not remain in His tomb.
See Matthew 28:11-15.
As a Christian which means follower of christ or (Christ like) do you support and tolerate LGBTQ? Do you tolerate it? Do you advocate for it?
Because i guarantee you that Jesus if he was here he wouldn't.
Christians today tolerate support and advocate for the LGBTQ and I'll give you an opportunity to show me at least one Christian who isn't so anti Christ in his believes.
@@mikeyounes2756
The question should not be what we tolerate, but what God tolerates.
There is nothing in Scripture to suggest that God tolerates homosexual behavior or practices. Nor does He tolerate wicked heterosexual behavior, or murder, or theft, or idolatry, or any other sin. Therefore we are ALL bankrupt before Him in our natural condition. Only the blood of Christ, shed on our behalf, is able to cleanse us from sin, on the condition that we believe in HIm.
It says 'that if you confess with our mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in our hearts that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.'
On the subject of homosexuality there is not a great deal of material in Scripture, yet it is very clear and consistent throughout.
Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed, not exclusively but partly because of their addiction to homosexuality, for their lifestyle was extremely licentious in every regard. See Jude v. 7.
Mosaic law prescribed the death penalty for homosexual relations-----------not that we should do the same, but the law indicates God's righteous STANRDARD.
Romans 1:18-32, particularly v. 24-27, is an essential text which touches on the subject in the context of civilizational decline and corruption of religion.
Unfortunately many in the contemporary Church are chasing the world's tail as regards this topic. They do not wish to seem 'irrelevant', 'out of date', 'out of touch' with contemporary culture. People who think that way have not fully grasped how OFFENSIVE the Gospel is to the natural mind, regardless of social implications. Give an inch, and secularists or followers of other religions will ask for a mile. Essentially they want a distinctively Christian witness to disappear from the scene.
I am far from being a comprehensive 'conservative', yet I never agreed with secular politicians when they decided to revise legal definitions of marriage. However it would be counter-productive at this point to launch a campaign to reverse changes in the law. (It will be interesting to observe how Americans deal with challenges to Roe v. Wade, for the hearts of many Christians ARE invested in the struggle to save prenatal life.)
I do think that LGBT people ought to be welcomed into the Church. How else will they gain exposure to the Word of God? Jesus said that it is not the healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick. Indeed not all LGBT folks are hostile to Christianity, though some are very much so.
Some are Christians who struggle with obedience in that department,
just as 'straight' or intentionally celibate Christians may struggle in parallel ways, or different ways altogether.
But when Christian clergy perform ceremonies for LGBT couples, they are WAY out of line.
Also I consider it disingenuous and OFFENSIVE when LGBT struggles for recognition are placed on a par with struggles for justice on the part of oppressed ethnic minorities or racial groups. The comparison is based on fuzzy thinking, and belittles undeserved suffering.
I have huge respect for both these guys. As a catholic, I’ve always appreciated Ben’s ideals.
I like how this conversation seems like it’s more about them just noting their differences and not arguing about them.
@@jimbob4456 for orbanus-eaters!!!
orbanus-Nazi State Media: You have met Viktor Orban, who is also often maligned by certain media outlets. Do you think what you could have read about him reflects reality?
JBPeterson: Possibly, I can't say for certain. I know that one of the things your führer is trying to do is reinstitute the metaphysical foundations of Hungarian culture. He might be lucky and succeed.
@@jimbob4456why?
@@jimbob4456 I don't believe just because someone is not catholic he doesn't go to heaven
@@jimbob4456 I am devout Catholic and say that you have know idea what you are talking about!
Before you bash someone you should do some research and see what their true beliefs are
@Jim Bob
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Jim Bob
ST How bout this one. So anyone who was baptized in the Catholic Church and doesn’t go to church every Sunday, will not go to heaven. Even if they are following another religion. Correct?”
Jim Bob, great question but this also is an incorrect assumption.
I think what would be nice is if you could have a nice mature conversation, like these 2 in the video, about the true beliefs of the Catholic Church. I think you may be a little surprised to find out that Catholics are not the monsters that some people want to make us out to be. We are trying to be the best Christians that we can possibly be, just like other Christian faiths are doing.
I would be glad to have that respectful conversation with you are anyone else.
No, Ben, Christians ARE supposed to imitate Christ. Paul, in I Corinthians 11:1, says to the Chirch of Corinth, "imitate him as he imitate Christ." Christianity is essentially faith based, but it does have the understanding that you do still act in this world. Obviously, Jesus is the difference between the two religions... In the end, it seems like Ben is saying a major difference between the two is that the Jewish believe that if you act as right, then you know God; Christians believe if you know God, then you would act right. I agree with that assessment.
Yeah but he highlights and i think highlights correctly that we cannot (as in are unable even if we try) do without Christ (specifically His Spirit in us). There has to be a transformation where there is total dependence on Christ. I think Jordan in some ways reduces the personality or relationship to Christ a living and real being right now.
It depends, one of the main doctrines of Protestantism is "gratia sola", you are saved by your faith only because you can't be like Jesus, Catholicism, Orthodox etc. Stress the importance of works too, so in this sense are more similar to Judaism.
YES
I love how "Christians" attempt to dismiss the idea of following Christ's example by saying that people are ultimately incapable of doing so. The entire point Jesus was trying to make was that people should try to follow Him DESPITE the fact that they are incapable of doing so perfectly.
@@thalonewanderer2146 Yes!
As a Christian we are to count it all joy when we fall into diverse trials and tribulations . The joy part is a important part . That may actually be where this spiritual transformation happens or the reason why it does .
We need more intellectual conversations like this.
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In Judaism itself the scapegoat, or the sacrificial lamb/animal appears. SO while Ben is right in saying that Christian's believe that we could not pay entirely for the weight of sin, we needed Jesus to take on the sins just as the jews believe about sacrificial animals. But at the same time, Peterson is correct because Jesus himself emphasises the importance of "Taking up your own cross", "entering through the narrow gate", and being prepared for the judgement to come. Ben's view of Christianity is a more protestant view, while Peterson takes a more Orthodox/Catholic view.
This. You encompassed that so well. The reality is that Jesus says being His follower a beliver in Him is not easy it requires refinement a process. Look at the old Testament the Tabernacle was a sort of representation of Christ and the journey to the Father, the High priest had to go through a series of steps in order to make it to the Holiest place. Now today we NEED Christ in order to receive the gift of salvation through his sacrifice but the work doesn't just end there it's a constant journey the way He was tempted on earth too so are we. THROUGH Christ we become better people. So technically they're both right lol just debating very specific doctrines on Christianity.
Perfectly said
Whilst you are correct that Jews have sacrificed animals, this is viewed as the lowest form of attaining forgiveness. In fact, you don’t get forgiveness. Rather, the sages teach that the best way to attain forgiveness is to admit responsibility for the mistake and sin that you committed.
Personal responsibility is central to Judaism and antithetical to Christianity. Human sacrifice (through Jesus) for your own sins is not only opposed by the teachings of Tanakh, but to worship this practice as HaShem is pure idolatry. I have a lot of respect for Dr Peterson, but he’s way off on this one. I’d recommend listening to the words of Rabbi Tovia Singer.
@@jpamm5926 personal responsibility is a key them in Christianity. We are called to turn away from sin, repent, and follow God's commands to the best of our ability. Our salvation is not works-based, as no man can earn his way to heaven, but we are still called to imitate Christ and do good. The difference between Judaism and Christianity is that Jews follows God's commands out of fear of punishment, whereas Christians follow God's commands out of love for God. We don't do what is right to avoid punishment, we do what is right because it is right- simple as that.
Wow! I had no idea this existed. Two men i highly respect and admire having a conversation.
Conversation? Shapiro can't wait to talk. Reminds me of my ex.
@@dillonviers8550 haha true
Yet both of them don't have Jesus
@@maxsiemens304 yeah if I'm not mistaken Jordan Peterson sympathizes with Christianity beliefs but don't know about his stance. Shapiro is a hardcore jew so he doesn't at all. Regardless I believe Peterson is more humble and unbiased than Shapiro and is my personal fave
@@RodH-pj1py It doesn't matter if Jordon Peterson likes Christian beliefs, anyone who does not call upon the name of the Lord is part of the wicked. Both don't know Jesus as Lord and savior. And even though these intellectuals may be right in some things and smart I have found many things they don't know that God has taught me. Because God hides himself from the proud and those who rely on their own understanding and gives grace, knowledge, and wisdom in the Holy Spirit to the humble. Only someone with a childlike faith can enter heaven
I like what they are both saying. I grew up in a Christian home but I've left the church to learn about the truth in doctrines
It's so nice to see two people debate that are clearly not on the same side of the argument that will say things like "That's a good point," or "I agree with you on that." It's also nice to see that they do have differences of opinion and allow each other to express that opinion. Just yeah. So nice to see.
How refreshing it is to hear 2 intelligent beings have a civil conversation without one or the other trying to stop them half way through what they’re trying to say love them both very intelligent & well spoken gentlemen. Great debate
You need to get out more. This happens everyday in every quarters of society.
@@ladygodiva4141 were talking about in the united states.
@@ja7950 yeah happens all the time
@@xyro1643 not in florida
@Julius Turner more intelligent than the president you voted for
Whatever the arguments, I love how each of them is keenly listening when the other speaks, with absolute focus!
It's sad that we're praising these guys for having a civil debate. Don't be mistaken, these guys did absolutely great! I just wish debates were more like this instead of people trying to kill eachother.
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Always praying for Ben, he knows how to carry out a debate and is a model to all of us who may one day have to show the same respect to our opposing side of an argument.
This isn’t a debate. It’s an exchange of good ideas.
The best conversation about „their faith without trashtalking“ of all time
I'm surprised by how thoughtful and courteous this discussion and this comment section are.
Actually impressed with Ben Shapiro in connecting the dots and adding a really good theological argument as well.
I disagree.he keeps representing Christianity as “Protestant” when the Catholic Chruch is the largest church. The Catholic and Orthodox Church are apostolic while Protestantism came to be in the early 1500’s.
The Protestant church is also apostolic but acted as a corrective to Catholic acuses and errors first through the reformation and then through the counter reformation. Debate, confrontation and insistence on Truth have been good for Catholicism even if it’s uncomfortable.
@@Checkmate777Catholicism is not Christianity although rooted in the same ideology.
@@TheDiamondsions I’m not even catholic and that statement is just factually incorrect.
and im a christian. i am aware we dont pray or believe we carry our sins the same way. we still believe in Jesus and God i mean. @@Checkmate777
Always a pleasure to hear intelligent people have an honest discussion
Shapiro unfortunately vomits his nonsense making gnorant people believe that he is intelligent. It's very sad.
Jordon Peterson maybe sure, I give you that. maybe not this topic though, ben Shapiro is just a politician so no. And they are debating over a fairy tales. Calm down
@@rusokana3642 “fairy tales” 🤓
@@rusokana3642 Don’t you atheists ever have anything better to say?
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Hidden Message in the
Torah /Tanak / Bible
Hidden within within the genealogy first Sons from Adam. Genesis 5 : 3-32
NAMES ---- Name
MEANINGS
Adam - Man
Seth - Appointed
Enos - Mortal
Cainan - Sarrow
Mahalaleel - Blessed GOD
Jared - Shall come Down
Enoch - Teaching
Methuselah -His Death shall
Bring
Lamech -To Make /Low
Mighity
Noah -Rest / Favor /
Fulfilled
Name Meanings written in a
Sentence 😳
Man appointed mortal Sarrow Blessed GOD shall come down
teaching His death shall bring to make low/MIGHTY , rest favor FULFILLED
My Interpretation:
Jesus given a task to preform from this earth feeling of deep distress BLESSED GOD shall come down as Jesus teaching Jews as a Rabbi His death shall bring SALVATION to make low to hang on a tree becomes MIGHTY rest/ favor/ FULFILLED HIS Purpose 🤔
Keep this in mind 🤔all 10 generations timeline took place up to chapter 5 of Genesis ,Hidden Message telling Jesus COMING 😲
Approximately 4 thousand years later before it HAPPENED only God !
Ten Trillion people could not have gotten together and had have written 1 fact and placed it in a book Foretelling of there coming Christ 4K years before it Happened .
Who hath believed our report ? For and to whom is the arm of Lord revealed ?
For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath
No form nor comeliness ; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
He is despised and rejected of men; a men of sorrows , and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised and we esteemed him not.
Surely he hath borne our grief , and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
He was oppressed, and he was
all .
He was oppressed , and he was afflicted , yet he opened not his mouth : he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter , and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openers not his mouth.
He was taken from prison
From judgment: and who shall declare this generation? For
He was cut off out of the land of the living: for he was cutting off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence , neither was any deceit in his mouth.
Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him ; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin he shall see his seed , he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
He shall see of the travail of his soul , and shall be satisfied : by
His knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many ; for he shall bear their iniquities. Therefore Will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the spoil with the strong ; because he hath pored out his soul unto death : and he was numbered with the transgressor ; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
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Jesus was a Jew and still is . Jesus is not a religion,
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I’m agnostic but debates like this are what I enjoy.
Beats crusades any day
Try sheik uthman bro
1st PperDragon
The Crusades had NOTHIING to do with the evangelistic strategies practiced by Jesus and His apostles. By that time, Roman Catholicism had become far too politicized, far too similar to islam in its worldly aims and bondage to crude superstition.
Just lying back and enjoying it as an agnostic is not very commendable.
Try looking for the TRUTH. Search the Scriptures until you find it.
God is able to speak through its pages, to those who are willing to listen.
@@jesusislordsavior6343 dude god has literally been telling people to commit mass genocide before the Catholic Church was even a thing. That’s one.
2. I’d definitely rather be agnostic after being feed BS in church since I was 3 years old.
@@1stpaperdragon740
God has NOT been saying any such thing, either literally or figuratively.
are you insane, or incredibly ignorant? Which is it?
Perhaps you are referring to the narrative in the book of Joshua, which pertained to the OLD COVENANT with Israel. God also reserves the right to destroy wicked civilizations
when they have reached a point of no return.
Observe the behavior and teaching of Jesus, and observe the evangelistic methods of the apostles as described in the book of ACTS in the New Testament. You will see that true preachers of Christ are called to SUFFER FOR HIS SAKE, to ENDURE PERSECUTION.
They are not to cause others to suffer, or engage in persecution.
You are quite mistaken!
I don't care what you would 'rather be'. You are quite the purveyor of bovine excrement yourself.
A paper dragon, when it breathes fire, must consume itself.
Good luck with that, man. There are no fire extinguishers in hell,
so consider how you might bail out, before it is too late.
HERE IS THE MILLION-DOLLAR QUESTION THAT EVEN THE MOST LUCRATIVE PERSON CAN'T BUY: Will you go to Heaven when you die? Here's a quick test: Have you ever lied, stolen, or used God's name in vain? Jesus said, ”Whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.” if you have done these things, God sees you as a lying, thieving, blasphemous, adulterer at heart and the Bible warns that one day God will punish you in a terrible place called H***. But God is not willing that any should perish. Sinners broke God's law and Jesus paid their fine. This means that God can legally dismiss their case: ”For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life.” Then Jesus rose from the dead, defeating death. Today, repent and trust Jesus, and God will give you eternal life as a free gift. Then read the Bible daily and obey it. God will never fail you!
Orthodox Christian here agreeing with Jordan. Again. 💕
Orthodox jew here, and i so enjoy Jordan, is the kind of people that you didn´t have to agree in everything to enjoy his reasoning.
Absolutely wonderful interaction between two incredibly brilliant men!! Loved every second!
This is much better than WWE, at least when it comes to honesty. BTW I like them both for different reasons.
Henrique Martins what’s this got to do with WWE 🤣🤣🤣
Ezekiel Tete it’s a smack down woooosh
@@ezekieltete6584 my request to all brother and sisters all over the world is that plz go back to your scriptures... atleast must follow the one message common written in all scriptures of the UNIVERSE( BY THE HELP OF GOD I MUST GIVE YOU REFERENCES if you want WHETHER IT IS FROM JUDAISM CHRISTIANITY HINDUISM AND BUDHISM)that ALLAH ALMIGHTY (THE GOD,THE CREATOR,THE SUSTAINER,THE SUPREME POWER,THE REAL KING AND THE OWNER OF ALL) IS ONE,and Prophet Mohammed (SAW) IS HIS LAST AND FINAL MESSENGER...!!!to enter into peaceful and lovely life eternally... The truth is clear with logic... please follow for yourself... please prevent yourself from the eternal hellfire by accepting and practising atleast common message of Creator in the religious scriptures of the world....I invite all of you to show me one word of the holy Quran that is against the ethics of humanity...read about Islam...
@@justinsimon154 my request to all brother and sisters all over the world is that plz go back to your scriptures... atleast must follow the one message common written in all scriptures of the UNIVERSE( BY THE HELP OF GOD I MUST GIVE YOU REFERENCES if you want WHETHER IT IS FROM JUDAISM CHRISTIANITY HINDUISM AND BUDHISM)that ALLAH ALMIGHTY (THE GOD,THE CREATOR,THE SUSTAINER,THE SUPREME POWER,THE REAL KING AND THE OWNER OF ALL) IS ONE,and Prophet Mohammed (SAW) IS HIS LAST AND FINAL MESSENGER...!!!to enter into peaceful and lovely life eternally... The truth is clear with logic... please follow for yourself... please prevent yourself from the eternal hellfire by accepting and practising atleast common message of Creator in the religious scriptures of the world....I invite all of you to show me one word of the holy Quran that is against the ethics of humanity...read about Islam...
@@theknowledge2774 Stop you're only discouraging them for investigating Islam. Nobody appreciates random spam comments. You're embarrassing.
Two of my favorite people to listen to discussing w/ each other!
The apparent paradox between salvation through faith and the standing requirement to be moral. is resolved by faith implying action. in the Bible, 'faith' means 'trust' , and If you trust someone, you follow their advice, if not their commands. If you don't, to what extent do you trust them?
People followed gods endorsement to take and keep slaves because he said in the bible to do so, while others who also claimed to have faith in the same god, chose to be against it. It's hard to take religious people serious when they follow the same god, but have completely opposite views on what god wants and what is moral.
@@That1GuyOnTH-cam Sorry, which verse is that? And how do you ground moral objective truth without God? Otherwise it is hard to take your own argument seriously.
In any case, you know it is right to love. So which God says, for example. 'Love your enemy'? Don't mean we're good at it, of course. But Jesus did say that if he did what he commanded we would know he was telling the truth (it's in John somewhere). So give it a go. Think of it as a test, if you like. Minimum one week,
It's just a treat to watch two extremely intelligent and respectful people who I admire, debate with each other and not get all upset etc. Both men are great people in their own right and it's cool to hear them debate like that......
I have come to understand that humility, meaning facing one's own darkness and recognise sins, allows us to be ready to receive healing and forgiveness through Christ' s atonement. It is all about opening our hearts to be able to receive. Nobody can deserve God's forgiveness, we all fall short but we can be ready for it.
“If our bodies have no spirit, they are dead. In the same way, if our faith does not lead us to do good things, it is dead.”
James 2:26
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Love the mutual respect and the open mindedness within the debate. Need more in modern times
I love how respectful and calm this is much love for both
"Faith alone " is not Catholic, it's Protestant. Catholic is Faith AND Works.
Interesting ..do you know the reason for the differing opinions on salvation between denominations? And that's really surprising that they're are Christian sects like Protestants who think good deeds are not necessary to be saved, I always thought Christians thought both Faith and Works are imperative.
@@S_goldman_ the Catholics get lost on a few scriptures and miss the context of the whole conversation. Also believe that back in the Roman Catholic times when the churches of superpower they bent all this stuff to their will so they can control people. If you actually read the scripture, lost stuff, Catholicism follows isn't scriptural
@@Jay-zp3kn Interesting.. thanks for the response.
@@Jay-zp3kn this is shockingly ignorant, please refrain from regurgitating tired talking points.
@@Jay-zp3kn this is typical progressive propaganda
I am so glad we have men like these in our time! High-quality talks from brilliant minds! Thank God!
He’s an idiot scum bag like the Jews doesn’t even believe in god but talks on behalf of Christianity what a joke
you do know ben thinks jesus is a deviant and will be in eternal flames
@@dieauferstehungJewish are idiots
@@bigdawg1448 no christianity is wrong, islam is the truth
TORAH was created by Adonai, Christianity was made by humans with pagan mixed beliefs for prestige And power.
Such a great discussion. My association with religion walks a similar, symbolic path as Peterson but I can't deny the wisdom that Shapiro brings to bear.
A great demonstration in the advantages of opposing thought with civility and how we can really gain valuable insight.
O'Canain
What is a 'symbolic path'?? Sounds terribly vague. Peterson is not a Christian, but someone who claims authority to interpret the Bible without understanding its doctrine. This is charlatanism.
Jesus' Crucifixion, as recognized by responsible SECULAR scholars, is an indisputable FACT of history. His Resurrection, prophesied in certain ancient Hebrew texts (Psalm 16:10 for example), was witnessed by HUNDREDS of individuals over a period of several weeks following Jesus' execution.
It was SO LITTLE EXPECTED that we may safely rule out 'mass hysteria' as a probable cause of existing reports.
Read the 15th chapter of 1st Corinthians, where it is openly admitted that Christianity without a LITERAL Resurrection would be null and void.
Ben Shapiro is being carefully as of what and how to respond to in this dialog.
Notice he is not speaking fast as he usually does in most debates, but he is choosing his words wisely, since he realizes how intelligent Mr. Peterson can be.
As Peterson said it in his book, 12 Rules for Life.
"Always assume that the other person knows something you don't."
As a Jew, Ben Shapiro understands the value of compassion and respect. We all admire Jordan very much.I don't think he feels his knowledge or faith is any "less than". One reason I converted away from Christianity and to Judaism is the evangelical nature of Christianity. When you are in an evangelical faith you prosthelytize and convert others. This feels disrespectful.
@@SpeakingSeriously ben understands the value of "compassion and respect"?!
@@popeyepinnacle You don't agree ? Why not ?
@@SpeakingSeriously"arabs like to crap destroy live in a open sewage" ?!
You think warmongers understand the value of compassion and respect?
@@SpeakingSeriously "arabs like to destroy crap and live in an open sewage"?!
Warmongers understand the value of "compassion and respect"?!
the next next generation will admire Jordan Peterson like we admire some great philosophers of the past.
I really appreciate Peterson's non-conventional approach, I gained some brain cells listening to this discussion.
I understand what Jordan Peterson is saying learning and understanding Christ and scripture relating to our higher purpose. I know what Ben Shapiro is saying based on the outward appearance and popularized doctrines which are mainly modern not truly attributing the action of Christ's love for us to oneself but accepting what was done and living whatever way seems fit depending on the strength of that belief, sect, church, home, etc...
Narrow is the way my friend.
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The good doctor simply owns every conversation and debate he's involved in. He's probably the brightest, most RATIONALLY compassionate person I've ever heard speak, and I know some VERY intelligent people. My mother is by far and away the most intelligent person I've ever known.....so that says A LOT about Dr. Peterson.
Damn.. this Jordan Peterson guy is one smart guy.
We just call him “ dad”
@@michaela3681 true
Why?????????? How do you know that Jesus is the Mesiah???? How do you know that is not a manipulation?? Because the churc says??
@@tca3021 stop
@@mmells_12 Why?? Are you afraid of the truht????????
Interesting how two non Christians are discussing Christianity. Ben has it more correct. It is about "faith", but there is an element of what Jordan says in the Christian life as well.
I agree with you but notice how the video is cut before Ben could get a response remember to see the truth especially if you don't see the hole story.(much love thx for your time)
Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Guillaume Gauthier James 2:14-26
Guillaume Gauthier James 2:14-26
A living faith produces works, not a dead one😇👍
@@suyukthaseelam4297 my request to all brother and sisters all over the world is that plz go back to your scriptures... atleast must follow the one message common written in all scriptures of the UNIVERSE( BY THE HELP OF GOD I MUST GIVE YOU REFERENCES if you want WHETHER IT IS FROM JUDAISM CHRISTIANITY HINDUISM AND BUDHISM)that ALLAH ALMIGHTY (THE GOD,THE CREATOR,THE SUSTAINER,THE SUPREME POWER,THE REAL KING AND THE OWNER OF ALL) IS ONE,and Prophet Mohammed (SAW) IS HIS LAST AND FINAL MESSENGER...!!!to enter into peaceful and lovely life eternally... The truth is clear with logic... please follow for yourself... please prevent yourself from the eternal hellfire by accepting and practising atleast common message of Creator in the religious scriptures of the world....I invite all of you to show me one word of the holy Quran that is against the ethics of humanity...read about Islam...
@@chrisl8527 my request to all brother and sisters all over the world is that plz go back to your scriptures... atleast must follow the one message common written in all scriptures of the UNIVERSE( BY THE HELP OF GOD I MUST GIVE YOU REFERENCES if you want WHETHER IT IS FROM JUDAISM CHRISTIANITY HINDUISM AND BUDHISM)that ALLAH ALMIGHTY (THE GOD,THE CREATOR,THE SUSTAINER,THE SUPREME POWER,THE REAL KING AND THE OWNER OF ALL) IS ONE,and Prophet Mohammed (SAW) IS HIS LAST AND FINAL MESSENGER...!!!to enter into peaceful and lovely life eternally... The truth is clear with logic... please follow for yourself... please prevent yourself from the eternal hellfire by accepting and practising atleast common message of Creator in the religious scriptures of the world....I invite all of you to show me one word of the holy Quran that is against the ethics of humanity...read about Islam...
Probably the two greatest minds on the planet right now as far as thought experiments go, I could listen to them all day, respectful dialogue between two adults. That my friends is mental maturity!
I wouldn't put Ben in that category... I don't think I've ever seen Ben consider the idea of being wrong, about anything. He doesn't demonstrate that he still has learning from others to do.
It’s amazing to watch these two gentlemen discuss a real topic. Both are very smart and articulate in there beliefs. Amazing to watch these two amazing souls. A debate that’s not violent or people screaming at one another.
The real question is. What would've happened if Jesus loved to old age and was never crucified?
JP is ignorant of Christian theology...
Peterson really reminds me of apostle Paul such a powerful conversion. God is using him so mightily! So exciting! I am a Hindu convert to Christianity 25 years ago. I just love how God works through powerful salvations.
That's a beautiful thing to write. Thank you.
He's not a apostle of Paul or God that's the problem
I respectfully disagree, Paul was not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ!
When the best Two heavyweights finally get together and go at it . It’s an honor being able to witness these two discuss
one of the very few times that ben is in a room with someone as intelligent as he is.
i didnt understand half of this but i watched the entire things anyway
😂😂still commendable
Just listen to this make me realize how little i know about my religion. Super smart guys and very professional conversation without throat cutting.
Orthodox Christianity is extremly different from Catholicism and protestantism. Not many Americans are even aware of the existance of orthodoxy.
The Orthodoxy and the Catholic Church are sisters.
@@FaithwalkerTodd I am so sorry but they are not sisters.
Orthodoxy is the Truth. Catholicism is a distortion of the Truth. Before Catholicism and Orthodoxy became 2 churches, there was only one with the same dogmas, traditions and liturgy life. Then Catholicism was created and the church became 2 churches. So, the fundamentals of Catholicism is Orthodoxy, but as I said, Catholicism is a distortion of the truth=Orthodoxy.
@@despina-pilaryunan5717 tell me the differences.
FaithwalkerTodd
The differences are rediculous indicating the political purposes behind the separation of the churches in year 1054 .
From then the differences grew bigger mainly because of cultural influences of the multiple tribes lived with in either the Western or the Eastern Roman Empire that letter on evolved as Nations.
@@andreasp3452 what are those differences? They both have replaced Jesus with someone else.
Notice how Jordan understood everything Ben was saying to articulate precise responses and didn't just go "hes wrong because he talks fast and tries to sound smart"
I think that Peterson's description of the example of Christ as being an undertaking of personal responsibility for the troubles of the world is true. It is what we're called to do as Christians. When Ben rejoins that Christians tend to see Christ as an absolution of responsibility I believe he's right often in point of fact, many Christians do, but not on theological grounds.
What I mean here is that the theology suggests to me that we should follow Christ's example, but as Jordan points out, the highest ideal is also the harshest judge. Which means that we are _going to fail._ It's an undertaking that we can't succeed in. But that's ok, because we are in a state of grace granted by Christ.
We don't need to succeed. We need to try. Our imperfection has already been redeemed in us by Christ. All that's left is choice.
Whereas in Judaism, as Ben pointed out, you take personal responsibility for _your_ sins. Not for all the problems of the world. This is fair, but it is not Godly.
And also there is the problem that you can't really take actual responsibility for your sins. What if you accidentally kill someone? How can you make up for that sin? Can you return that person to their loved ones? Can you bring forth the children they might have had if you hadn't killed them? No, your sin has an unalterable and irredeemable quality to it. So the Judaic personal responsibility paradigm is insufficient in scope and thrust. It's just a good starting point.
The Christian idea of shouldering the world's burdens, or as the bard would say 'suffering the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune', is a more generous and Godly pursuit. While simultaneously we need to be redeemed because of just how harsh a judge that highest of ideals is, and how certain our failure to live up to it is.
As for the matter of faith based Christianity versus act based Judaism I believe this to be a false dichotomy. The gospels say that all you need is faith, yet they also say that faith without works is death. Which means that if you profess to be a believer and yet you perform no acts in accordance with your belief then you do not, in fact, have faith. You have empty words.
How this differs from Judaism is that the acts in Christ flow from one's faith in Jesus and God. The acts in Judaism are by rote.
They are associated with faith, and you're _supposed_ to have faith, but they are often learned by rote and passed down as the minimum you need to do to pass (in life or after). That is to say, it's possible to perform those acts as a social contract and not through faith.
So when Jesus said he came not to destroy the law but to fulfill it, he meant to bring people's actions in line with the intention of the law. So in reality Christianity is a more refined, gracious, and fulfilled version of Judaism. Albeit uncommon for Christians to live up to.
I agree. Greatest comment in my personal history of using TH-cam. Amazing intellect coupled with a hunger for God and a humble heart equals just that I guess
There is a primary ethic in Judaism called ‘tikkun olam’ = repairing the world, in order to create the a state closer to perfection in order for the messiah to come redeem us. So we have to do the work first, through the 613 mitzvot.
Judaism is always about action before words. The nation of Israel responded to Yahweh upon receiving the commandments: Na’aseh V’nishma’ = we will DO and we will listen= action first as a way to perform alchemy in the world. Judaism sees the performance of mitzvot as a transformative metaphysical act that flows from doing.
Judaism has never been about doing just enough to save yourself and a deep responsibility for the other is foundational in Jewish theology. We see this in the ecstatic evangelism within Judaism forged by the Chabad charter- it is outward directed and is looking to spread the good news of its own! Later philosophers grounded in Judaism (though not orthodox) Martin Buber and Emmanuel Levinas begin with our relation to the other and our responsibility to them.
So while I actually agree about the moral & spiritual evolution that was represented by the Christ figure and have a great deal of respect for it, your take on Judaism working by ‘rote’ or being only concerned with self-responsibility is a misunderstanding.
@Stock Raising lol I should’ve known better than to be a TH-cam commenter 🙈
@Stock Raising lol 🙈 not to hurt your feelings but I have zero interest in what you’re discussing. We can end our exchange here
Wow, this was beautifully written. 🙏
Both are right. But I'm just amazed at Ben's clear understanding of the difference.
Such a privilege to listen to these men.
Bennett WInters
Is that so? You could pick up a Bible and read it. Then you would experience the privilege of listening to God.
@@jesusislordsavior6343 without men the word of god could not spread. Without men the Bible would not have been writing, the love between men and god are inseparable
@@Justin33B
Good. Did I contradict any of these assertions previously? But God is the One Who INITIATES the relationship in ALL aspects. He GRACIOUSLY invites sinners into fellowship with Him and thereby into His ministry of reconciliation.
(Romans 5:8) 'For God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.'
@@Justin33B the bible is the word of God for his creation (us), if we were not created then for what purpose would the bible be created?
the beautiful thing about this is the absolute lack of egoism and narcicism, think of music for example, the less its played with egoism, trying to show off and stuff, the more it merges with the soul, and the more you actually listen in a debate, the more two souls can merge into this beautiful dance we call talking.
I don’t even like either of these guys but honestly if this is all they talked about I would listen constantly. This was really well done and fascinating to listen to.
I understand not liking Ben because of how blunt he is but Jordan? I like both of them, but hey we all different and that's beautiful.
Thanks for sharing this with us! I'm watching it again after 3 years; very enjoyable listening to both of them.👍🏾
I love how this debate is civilized and polite, this is how society needs to be
They would scream at a lefty
@@roddyboethius1722 Praise be to our Creator Almighty!
my request to all brother and sisters all over the world is that plz go back to your scriptures... atleast must follow the one message common written in all scriptures of the UNIVERSE( BY THE HELP OF GOD I MUST GIVE YOU REFERENCES if you want WHETHER IT IS FROM JUDAISM CHRISTIANITY HINDUISM AND BUDHISM)that ALLAH ALMIGHTY (THE GOD,THE CREATOR,THE SUSTAINER,THE SUPREME POWER,THE REAL KING AND THE OWNER OF ALL) IS ONE,and Prophet Mohammed (SAW) IS HIS LAST AND FINAL MESSENGER...!!!to enter into peaceful and lovely life eternally... The truth is clear with logic... please follow for yourself... please prevent yourself from the eternal hellfire by accepting and practising atleast common message of Creator in the religious scriptures of the world....I invite all of you to show me one word of the holy Quran that is against the ethics of humanity...read about Islam...
Wow...what a stimulating discussion based on sincerity, mutual respect and a want to understand rather than a need to win.
Ben Shapiro has a much better understanding of Christian theology. Mr. Peterson reads the stories and makes interpretation from his own understanding.
Praise God he has now become a Christian ✝️
@@vikkiwhite711
When did you hear this? What is your evidence? I am very eager to see it, and it had better be good.
Everything I've heard him say in the past was heresy, so naturally I am skeptical. But if you are correct, I will have to change my tune. Do me a favor and respond.
@Ameya Anu
What do you mean? When people use the word 'Christian' as an adjective, they could mean any number of things. Probably better to use it as a noun, referring to a follower of Jesus Christ. But we're used to sloppy thinking, and when I say 'we', I don't exclude myself.
I guess you don't mean 'conforming to Biblical teaching', because JP's precepts are derived from modern secular sources. I think he admits that.
Hes not perfect, but he is passionate and try's his best with what he knows 🙂
Jordan's Interview 1 day ago was very touching. It is where he is at right now, very honest, raw and real. He doesn't claim to know it all, but it is obvious his heart has been touched by God. Hope you find and watch the video. You can make your own decision. GOD Bless 😃
I’m Protestant but my church follows importantly the idea of relationship and responsibility within Christ. So although he’s done much for us (the burden of the cross) that is impossible to return, we would be without relationship with Christ if we did nothing in return to show our loyalty to him, hence taking on moral responsibility and following his rules to be more like him. i.e. someone full of love and duty in all of its aspects
If you love me, keep my commandments. Love God and one another.
Jesus has never been proven to exist, and if he did he would have been a Jew. You've been deceived to worship the Israeli god of War and Chaos(Yahweh), and help usher in demonic Jewish prophesies.
@@CommandoJenkins for orbanus-eaters!!!
orbanus-Nazi State Media: You have met Viktor Orban, who is also often maligned by certain media outlets. Do you think what you could have read about him reflects reality?
JBPeterson: Possibly, I can't say for certain. I know that one of the things your führer is trying to do is reinstitute the metaphysical foundations of Hungarian culture. He might be lucky and succeed.
These two coming together is like two heavy weight champions of the world getting in the ring.
I imagine if this was strength
over brains we would had a 1M advertising budget to promote this.
Great show.
I just wished the subject was more interesting. I hate all religions.
finally, two magnificent public speakers respectfully debating a topic i find the most important
What a beautiful conversation!!
This is amazing just a intelligent conversation. Both dress professionally, drink water instead of liquor and no threats to one another. Its just so foreign seeing this kind of conversation in modern day. So this is breath of fresh air to watch.
Yes, this is a filmed show... what debate shows do you know where people wear sweatpants and throw back shots of whiskey?
Joe Biden dresses like a professional and drinks water so he must be a genius.
I don't think I'm smart enough to understand anything about this.
lol ! Thanks for that comment, made me laugh. I always think that, yet click anyways.
Don’t worry they’re arguing about something that doesn’t exits!
Nathan Kennedy prove it then
@@nathankennedy3927 it doesn't exit but it does exist. Blesseded are those who see and believe like doubting Thomas but even more blesseded are those who do not have to see to believe! That's faith, nothing in life is meaningful without it. What do you have faith in?
@@nathankennedy3927 yep exactly
It is such a PLEASURE seeing to people having an actual conversation with some opposing opinions and acting like gentlemen!!
I like the idea of not just accepting god, but living and taking actions in accordance to god as what Shapiro argues
That's what the Catholics, Orthodox and some Protestants teach. Martin Luther opened the door for "faith alone" Christianity, which eventually became the dominant belief in the US.
We need these kinds of people like this in our society. Talk like a real man. Not screaming like psycho 👏👏
Usally thats Ben Shapiro style.
JP vs Old testament Guy lol..
Mad respect for both of them.
Ben said when theologians differentiate Judaism from Christianity he finds it not accurate but when Jews do the same distinguish Christianity from Judaism there are commonalities. His ideas are clashing.
We need to be more like Him each day. He sent us to change our way of living in sin.
They have stated their stances very well. I'm more interested in the progress that may come from further debate.
10:05 I'm pissed they cut out what Jordan Peterson was gonna say afterward, but yes, Ben hit the nail on the head. Yes, if you truly love God with all your heart, mind, and soul, and you love your neighbor as you love yourself, then you will have everlasting life in Heaven. As a Catholic I remember learning in Sunday school about these things and one of the biggest things we were taught was to live your life the most Christlike you can be, that doesn't mean that literally, but like I had previously stated, you follow the commandments God gave us, which in summary is loving God with all your heart, mind, and soul, as well as loving your neighbors as you love yourself.
Jesus is God.
There’s no “and”
if you are a catholic then u needa find god
@@danosborn956 why is that?
@@patrickdiverpd Eles trocaram o mandamento de Deus em lugar da tradição. E, com isso, adicionaram doutrinas contrarias aos fundamentos da fé, o que os tornou heréticos.
@@patrickdiverpd Don't entertain him. He's simply repeating false statements made by some of the more feral protestants to keep their flock indoctrinated. It's sad, really, these false teachers leading the weak minded astray; and dangerous for the teacher and the taught.
2 exceptionally talented and decent people engaging in a truly fascinating debate. I wish religions would come together in such a respectful way more often instead of trying to attack one another.
Part of what makes us human is the ability of free will.
You can’t be a horrible person and believe in Christ. Christ is not a “get out of jail” card.
As a Catholic, I can go confess my sins all I want, but there’s only one entity that will truly know the purity of my heart.
What what about the scores of people who have committed heinous crimes and saying "Jesus told me to do it." And what about the Crusades? And the Inquisition? All those people did their crimes in the name of Christ.
Peterson nails it. The finished work of the cross isn't completed by copping out and excusing responsibility - that's just sloth. Faith without works is DEAD.
Are you saying someone can lose their salvation?
So many people misunderstand that saying. Jesus wasnt saying that you have to work to be saved or maintain your salvation. A person's salvation is all of God and none of men. Saved by GRACE THROUGH FAITH. Grace is unearned, it can't be earned. What Jesus was saying is that works will become evident of an inward change. Even if a born again Christian is faithless at times, 2 Timothy 2:13 "if we are faithless, he remains faithful, for he cannot disown himself".
@@tiktokcrazy6965 Yes, you can, by rejecting God's Grace. St. Paul even warns the Galatians that they're severing themselves from Christ and have fallen away from Grace by Judaizing (Gal 5:4).
Oh look a Christ plus guy. Yawn. When you are saved the good works you do are not your good works but instead Christ doing those.good works through you. On our own our righteousness (so-called) is as filthy rags.
That's the first thing that popped in my head after Peterson said that and then Ben added the difference between Jews and Christians: Jew are action based and Christians are faith based and that's all we do essentially lol. That was the upcoming transition John the Baptist was explaining to them in Mark. Mark 1:8 " I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost." Jesus fulfilled the Law. Jesus *is* the Sabbath.
James 2:17 is all about faith without works is dead. James explains that belief that leads to no change or no works, is not saving faith at all. The works do not save us, but they do reveal the character of our trust in God.
Jews believe their actions lead to righteousness: "If you dress in all black, wear a white robe, eat only Kosher foods, you face Jerusalem, pray only in Hebrew, grow a nice long beard, and if you do all those cultural things, you'll discover God."- Mottel Baleston.
Now THIS looks like a great discussion if I can only follow it. What a blessing to be alive in a time when we can hear such discussion by brilliant minds.
Sweety nobody can follow it because its all words salad and fallacies 😏. Plz evolve today and start reading books ok kiddo?
@@scottblack7182 Sure, I'll read more books though it's not a big mystery why you don't get it. Maybe if you learned proper grammar and punctuation first...
@@scottblack7182 Praise be to our Creator Almighty!
my request to all brother and sisters all over the world is that plz go back to your scriptures... atleast must follow the one message common written in all scriptures of the UNIVERSE( BY THE HELP OF GOD I MUST GIVE YOU REFERENCES if you want WHETHER IT IS FROM JUDAISM CHRISTIANITY HINDUISM AND BUDHISM)that ALLAH ALMIGHTY (THE GOD,THE CREATOR,THE SUSTAINER,THE SUPREME POWER,THE REAL KING AND THE OWNER OF ALL) IS ONE,and Prophet Mohammed (SAW) IS HIS LAST AND FINAL MESSENGER...!!!to enter into peaceful and lovely life eternally... The truth is clear with logic... please follow for yourself... please prevent yourself from the eternal hellfire by accepting and practising atleast common message of Creator in the religious scriptures of the world....I invite all of you to show me one word of the holy Quran that is against the ethics of humanity...read about Islam...
@@tomcha75 Praise be to our Creator Almighty!
my request to all brother and sisters all over the world is that plz go back to your scriptures... atleast must follow the one message common written in all scriptures of the UNIVERSE( BY THE HELP OF GOD I MUST GIVE YOU REFERENCES if you want WHETHER IT IS FROM JUDAISM CHRISTIANITY HINDUISM AND BUDHISM)that ALLAH ALMIGHTY (THE GOD,THE CREATOR,THE SUSTAINER,THE SUPREME POWER,THE REAL KING AND THE OWNER OF ALL) IS ONE,and Prophet Mohammed (SAW) IS HIS LAST AND FINAL MESSENGER...!!!to enter into peaceful and lovely life eternally... The truth is clear with logic... please follow for yourself... please prevent yourself from the eternal hellfire by accepting and practising atleast common message of Creator in the religious scriptures of the world....I invite all of you to show me one word of the holy Quran that is against the ethics of humanity...read about Islam...
Ben Shapiro is far from that 😂
My dad explained being like Jesus perfectly. He asked me what the best golf score is. I said a 52 and he said no its 18. I replied how can you possibly shoot a 18 and he said that’s like being like Jesus. You can’t possibly do it but you should try your best at it. Some holes you will bogey or triple but he still loves you and you get in the cart and go to the next hole.
Broseph, your pops nailed it, 💯
Yeah jesus christ he totally been sticking with the most people who are lookdown outcasted by society also physically/ mentally abused by various unfortunate things. Im sure its impossibly heavy hard to carry cross with jesus everyday if we never consider ourselves deserving of getting crucifix for our sin. We know what kind of people end up there before JESUS CHRIST.