ASOIAF Theories & Discussions: The Bloodstone Emperor of Yi-Ti
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Just sharing my ideas one of my favorite book series, A Song of Ice and Fire by George RR Martin. This video may contain spoilers for those of you who are not up to date with the series. That goes for the HBO show and the books.
I'm just speculating and guessing on some ideas that I have on how future events will transpire in the series. Keep in mind however, I know nothing.
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It’s been years since this was made, but I still listen to this video for the lore every year!
Oh no! Roy Dotrice passed away? That is so very sad. His narration has brought me countless hours of joy. May he Rest In Peace 💐🌷💔🌷💐
YiTi may be descended from the Great Empire of the Dawn, but it isn’t the same location. I believe Asshai is the original location of the great empire of the dawn, some form of apocalypse occurred, and the city was left in ruins as humans scattered to the winds, and YiTi is the remainder of that. I believe YiTi probably looks like an exaggerated imperial China, but I believe Asshai looks like an ancient, black stone, India. Similar to what we see at the Kailasa Temple, in India. Oily fused black stone and perpetually in shadow.
Basically like the Roman Empire then? Asshai is the city of Rome, while the byzantines are Yi Ti, claiming descent from those ancestors and carrying on a lot of the traditions but not owning the family farm anymore, so to speak
Intro just ended and im sooo excited. Emp Bloodstone is my favorite legendary figure in ASOIAF. What a strange figure, necromancy, Tiger women, strange black stones.. Count me in and thanks for the video. Now to enjoy the vid
I was just thinking, several things in asoif have opposing counterparts. Or shall I say mirror opposites. One example is the wierwoods of westeros and the shade of the evening trees in quarth. Both types of wood I believe are used on the door to the house of black and white. Then there is the children of the forest vs the iqueveron in Essos. There's also the nights watch oath that says they are the " watchers on the walls" as in plural. The ice wall and the five forts I believe are the two walls and also hinges of the world as melisandre mentioned. Both of these structures guard the lighted and warm parts of the planet and once you pass them, you enter into darker ad more hostile places and climates. Perhaps the reason the maps end where they do is bc of the elemental opposing magics of ice and fire being out of alignment and the areas we don't see are dark like the heart of winter. I know the children mention that they had original gods that gave them long lives but few in number. I believe these to be whoever built moat cailin and battle isle. There is also either an old battle of magic between air and water reemergence as how euron claims to be the first and the last storm. The krakens are rising and the deep ones are coming out on the sisters. I agree with the red comet influencing euron, the bloodstone comet and the bloodstone emperor, and the white comet that made the sword dawn. There is something about these objects that have ignited magic again and allowed these powers to use their churches or emissaries to manipulate everyone to where they are now, just as kinvara told varys on the show. Humans are just pawns and some have been bred like the people of naath, the thousand islands and the valerians for this purpose. I know this is just a lot of random thoughts about the story but I wondered if anyone felt the same regarding some of these ideas. I also think Jon con might end up giving faegon or arianne martell greyscale. I would also like to know why the wildlings such as Val are terrified of children or people like shireen? I would love to hear some thoughts. I also kinda think that the house of black and white work with the church of starry wisdom. Just how the maesters helped with the Hightower to extinguish magic in the realm, efforts were made in other places such as leng to cut off the deep or old ones influence on the world.
I love the lovecraftian elements in GoT as well.
The Na'athi seem to be different from the Ifequevron, who seem to be the Essosi version of the children of the forest- only they no longer exist. They could be distantly connected.
There are also black and blue trees that mirror the white and red of the Weirwoods as well as their magical properties.
Super late to the party, but I come bearing gifts! So Yi-Ti in Mandarin can functionally be any number of different words since we don't know the tone it's supposed to be in. A few of the possible Yi-Ti translations I found interesting are
"An organic whole"
"One question"
"One day"
And "One's set way/a set."
Great channel. Keep it going.
Dune looks amazing! Great work on trailer!
I have been imagining Euron with a comet stuck in his blood eye. Now I remember where i got the idea from. Thanks Quinn!
I want the Bloodstone Emperor to be the subject of the new miniseries coming out
Played by Ken Jeong
God no.
@@wojciechwisniewski1367 not gonna lie I’d low key lmao
@@shinobifirecracker6671 pshhhhh
@@shinobifirecracker6671 I mean...the show already sucks if you’ve actually read the books lmao. Lighten up
It seems to me that the Great Empire of the Dawn is YiTi's version of the Dawn Age as told by the First Men.
The God-on-Earth, was the light of the sun, that blessed the world with light for at least 10k years and then left the world as it fell into darkness.
It seems odd though that the Five Forts were built by the 2nd Emperor to fend against the Lion-of-Night and his demons, when the Lion-of-Night attacked after the Bloodstone Emperor killed his sister to ascend to power. Could it be that there were 2 Long Nights in the past?
We know there was
Beyond the grey waste lies a land of never ending frost and deathly chill, some say ancient creatures roam these lands, beings of pure cold. No one has ever come back alive voyaging the shivering sea that far to the east. Leonis Umbra of house Shadow moon says this for certain, the five forts were constructed of black fused stone not to be mistaken with black greasy stone.
I think they are on the one third ice age.
@@sophiawilson8696 Yes. Pretty much.
I think it’s in part inspired by one of the Little Ice Ages following the Medieval Warming Period or perhaps on a weak theory that I heard of way back about the possibility that there was an impact event that occurred in the direction of Britannia (from a mainland European perspective) based in part by art around the time of the fall of the Roman Empire, I think trying to link it to the King Arthur legends.
@@sophiawilson8696 For the naturalistic explanations for these in series Ice Ages, I ruled outmost of the variables like with the Milankovitch cycles theory in Universe Sandbox without much change except three possibilities;
1 - a wobbly axial tilt.
(In the real world, we are actually closer to the Sun in the summer). It would help explain why they don’t travel the open sea yet.
2 - their Sun is a variable star
(Which effects the star’s energy output)
3 - effects caused by interactions with other object. Like say with a major impact. Which we have direct evidence for with the last Long Night, the recent arrival of the Red Comet underlining that and the possibility of a repeat, and there’s some evidence suggestive of another impact millennia earlier for a total of, if the pattern holds true, 3 impact induced ice ages as it relates to the story.
But, of course Martin has said that the reason is magic. For that, I place the blame on the Children of the Forrest by way of option 3. The CotF explanation also hints at 3 ice ages, twice in the past and we’re possibly seeing the start of a third.
I always enjoy your videos. You have such a wonderful voice even my animals stop to listen... 😌 I always find something to think about differently. Looking forward to Dune. Love and Seven Blessings.... 💖🦏
Yes. DO Wheel of Time.
No one on youtube has really done much of it at all and its a great bit of nostalgia! I think GRRM must have made much of ASOIAF in response to some of the shortcomings and similarities in stories like the Wheel of Time, but its still a cool world to explore.
Also in re Westeros and Essos being connected. It WAS. Before the Children destroyed the land bridge connecting Dorne to West Essos. Not sure if this happened before or after the Long Night though.
Aerys, during his last years, replaced Rheagar with Viserys as his heir. And thus Danaerys is Viserys's heir, the true heir to Aerys's line.What if Danaerys retakes her father's throne and Faegon usurps it, similar to what the "envious" younger brother-the Bloodstone Emperor did to Amethyst Empress? What if this usurping coincides with the coming of the Others? People would surely blame Faegon. Danaerys, amethyst eyed, with full Targaryen/Valyrian looks and three impossible dragons is already half a god to people. If so, it will mirror the Empire of Dawn story as the Winter is coming with the Others.
Um no?Daenerys is not viserys's heir
@@Complexcore-lz8de Who else is left?
Great Empire of the Dawn. In my opinion GEOTD is just a tribute to Chinese mythologies, particularly Three Sovereigns and Five Emperors and Xia Dynasty. Not some proto-Valyrians or something like some people here say. Also a lot of the theories sound like 19th century Nordicists.
I doubt it would be mentioned in the main series. If it was there would have been more mentions in the main series (other than the vague hallucinations in House of Undying) not TWOIAF. The only relevant part is that they were affected by the Long Night as well and there might have been more ancient civilizations.
Why can’t it be both? They Seem by all accounts to be proto-valyrians and also related to the Yi-Thi. Perhaps G.R.R.M is trying to hint that these two civilizations are related?
Listening to this in 2020 and NO WINDS OF WINTER
Thanks for your hard work putting this together. I like how GRRM has used our world as an inspiration for his: Westeros is the U.K. blown up to the size of a continent. And yeah you can see other literary influences there. But he also makes up ridiculously funny names and backstories. Immersion breaking sometimes.
I think Dune is the greatest sci-fi series of all time, so I'm looking forward to it.
Chow Yun Fat or Hiroyuki Sanada would be awesome as the Bloodstone Emperor
Roy Dotrice voice is so unique and brilliant! He really performed the books! We shall never see his like again! 😢
Yes! I’ve never heard this before!
I am very happy that you are making this videos on Dune. I subscribed to your channel because of a Dune video that you made. I had always thought that Dune is much much better than the Star Wars series and I am very sad that the Jodorowsky's Dune never make it. I've red all six original novels the best in my opinion is the God Emperor of Dune.
The film Mother! became one of my favorites immediately upon its ending. So good.
Random thought here, but the thumbnail shows 9 hooded figures behind the emperor and that made me think of the 9 Lords of Night, gods of the ancient Aztec and Maya people’s.
Not the Nazgul?
If the Others invade the east it might explain why there are two Azor Ahais. Dany could be the Azor Ahai of the east, and Jon Snow the Azor Ahai of the west.
You were right about those dune videos they were on point.
I've been watching videos all over this channel since the dune vids popped up in my suggestions and everything I've viewed so far is excellent.
I need you to narrate the Song of Ice and Fire books for me please. Your voice is amazing.
When Magic Goes Away is one of my favorite books.
I know this old video but I just wanted add there is difference in the The Golden Empire of Yi-Ti and the The Great Empire of Dawn. The Great Empire of Dawn came first that when the The Bloodstone Emperor commit the blood betrayed happen.
I like the idea of other forms of the W.W in the east representatives of the different elements
Can't wait for the Dune series.
I am interested and will watch wheel of time if ya do it. Looking forward to dune!!
Nice "waiting/background music"- What is it? The perfect accompaniment to an well-thought out, well-presented video. Top-notch! And I'm really looking forward to the Dune commentaries.
Swords!
You have to understand, Yi-Ti is not just "whats left" of the GEotD. It is just the only part of the former Empire that kept the cultural tradition. The people of the GEotD were not ethnically Yi-Tish. They were most likely were from the Shadow Lands/Asshai, and had Valyrian features (platinum/silver hair, pastel eyes). Yi-Ti, is just the only part of the Empire that rmembers what happened.
read about the "kingly ghosts" from danys dream in AGOT. also, House Dayne
IMO, I believe that Asshai was the capital of GEotD. I do believe that the people who were in GEotD were of Yi Tish origin. I don't understand why there is this thought that every super special awesome empire was run by Valyrians (the only acception being the Ghiscari)
Ahmed Abdulrashid Dany had a dream where she saw a line of kings and queens that had the features of Valyrians. She thought she was seeing the golden empire of the dawn.
Ahmed Abdulrashid so far they do
Ahmed Abdulrashid Why a disappointment ? This is not earth. It is a different planet. That being said it is not clear who she was seeing but a line of kings and queens. There are stone structures similar to later Valyrians structures in Yiti however.
For some reason, I imagine The Blood Stone Emperor's voice as Liam Nelson's. Yi-TI/Asshai remind of the city in Robert E. Howard's Novella "Red Nails." Great story, one of the best.
Do you think Quaithe could be the Tiger Woman (the Bloodstone Emperor's wife) come again to recreate that reign?
If you're right, and the first emperor of the Dawn really was a God on Earth that had children, and that's not just legend, then it might explain why King's Blood has actual power, and why certain bloodlines are especially important/magical. They could literally be descended from higher beings.
It's kinda funny your name is Quin and you sound so much like Kael'Thas from Warcraft or even Raiden from Metal Gear who is voiced by Quinton Flynn lol. Anyways, I'm a big fan of your videos and have spent the last few days binging on them. Thanks so much for your hard work.
Is this available in podcast form?
Hi I hope your well. What do you think about Euron bringing the Long night like the bloodstone emperor brought the Long night? They both declare the gods are dead and believe they are gods. They both are evil. They are both have an oily black stone.
I have not read G.R.R.Martin's books but i intend to and your videos have spiked my interests about books like Dune , Asimov's foundation etc so thanks for all the good work you put in those videos and as i said I heve not read the books but I have a little theory about Lightbringer and that it could be Thoros of Myr flaming sword what do you think? Feel free to spoil me I LOVE SPOILERS!
bring the spice
Winds of Winter will be out "Soon". Well, its 2019, just saying LMAO.
Mark my words, it will come out winter 2020
@@strawhat9085 um.. NO
Greetings from 2021.
Still here in 2021?
@@wafflingmean4477 greetings brother
PS: the Bering ice bridge is a myth. During the ice age, sea level was lower, and there was ground between Alaska and Russia. Bering was not an ice bridge, but a land mass. :)
GRRM world is planetos basically......Wherever you go. There you are
Bloodstone Emperor: Chow Yun-fat
".......I am the watcher on the walls....." WALLS! Not wall! There is more than 1 Nights Watch! The other haves to be at the 5 forts!
Light bringer is just YITI fireworks: confirmed
The intro sounds like civil war music
I'd pick Ken Watanabe to play the Bloodstone Emperor
What I figure out what is going on in the books version. Before 12,000 years ago before Westeros or Valyria there were the GEOTD. 40,000 years ago heavenly beings came from heavens and gives knowledge and technology to Ape like creatures in exchange for slave labor they made 3 kinds of groups people. 1 Made with part Fireworm and Dragons. 2 group were Wargs made with Forest creatures who might be the Children. 3 is the Cold Ones , the White Shadows made with Ice magic. Now one these groups rebel against the BSE his use of Blood magic and worshiping a black stone from the sky. They started to kill everyone who were not them and others run away cross 4 corner of Planetos. Fearing all Others.
OMFG EURON THREW HIS DRAGON EGG IN THE OCEAN GUYS
No evidence of that Euron threw a dragon egg in ocean Euron was talking crap that he able to get a Faceless man to killed his brother for him.
@@sophiawilson8696 ngl I just heard it somewhere, still yet to read that far haha
Stannis & Crow's Eye = best buds. LMAO
Jackie Chan played an edgy sort of negative character in a recent movie. He's more versatile than people give credit to and he has actually done roles in fantasy movies. He's more than just Rush Hour, Police Story and Shanghai Knights.
You did say that you are not a history buff, I would just like to point out that the oldest archeological site in north america is 13,200 and 15,500, located in Kortallayar river basin, and that there are ruins that far more than 200-300 in both north and south america.
The Dawn Empire legend and mythological emperors is very similar to the origin legends of China, and also the art in World of Ice and Fire reaffirms this.
I find your interpretation of Quaiths profecy very and comparison of Lovecraft and GRRM very interesting.
Another author who has mystical potentially sentinent and definitely powerful stones, and who can count GRRM among her fans, is Ursula K. LeGuin. In her Earthsong series she has several ominous stones that are never fully explained, but play a metaphorical role.
Oh, and I actually think there might be something to your Uron theory.
Not to debate years, but hasn't there been evidence of earlier NAm settlement at the Indiana Caves in Pennsylvania, as well as Monte Verde in Chile?
If not slightly earlier, maybe same. But let's not forget the Olmec, who they themselves claim to have stumbled upon the greatness attributed to them
Karoline L I agree YiTi is synonymous with ancient far East...but what of Quarth? For the greatest city that was or ever will be, I struggle to find a historical analog
Thank you for adding more facts!
I just wanted to get the point accross that the Americas were hosts to great civilisations in pre-colombian times and did not spend to long researching, there may well be archeological sites or ruins older than the one I sited. The article I castba glance at probably alluded to the political north america (canada and the usa), and not the feographical north america which Extends to Panama. And Mayan, Aztec and Olmec ruins are all older than 300 years.
We seem to both agree that there are ruins older than 200 years though.
I don’t know about a historical analogue to Quarth, but I have not given it much thought. But GRRM does not only use history as inspiration.
Quarth does correspond very well to the European concept of orientalism, in that it is middle eastern, but bathed in mysticism, if that makes sense.
Humans didn't reach America via ice bridge. Rather the Glaciation meant that water was on land rather than in the Ocean, dropping sea levels enough to reveal the continental shelf. Furthermore it's even debatable whether that's how humans got to the Americas given that the Bering Strait has enough Islands that one is always in sight of land, and current archeology seems to support the coastal route theory rather than the corridor theory (which implies the first Americans had a maritime tradition).
CGI Bruce lee should be the blood stone emperor
I feel like there'd be more WoT fans than Dune fans tho. There's also supposed to be a WoT show in production? (You can tell by the timing of my comments that I've been watching this episode in parts.)
What is WOT? I am curious what could be more better than dune in sci fi at least.
@@shenronzodiark Wheel of Time: fantasy, not sci-fi
@@laurenajkirby oh ty for the clarification
I'd like to see what people's theory on the Bloodstone Emperor of Yi-Ti and the Others, now that latest episode of WestWorld season 3 has hinted at a cross-over with GoT series.
Maybe the end of GoT wasn't bad because of writing...
Maybe the "guests" finally got bored of playing the Game of Thrones?
I would kill to see George takai as the bloodstone emperor!!!!
so this is where kanye is from...
Yi-Yi
Just give us a couple chapters from the Jade Compendium, please pretty please
Somebody knows the name of the intro song please?
Kevin Macleod - long road ahead
@@axelNodvon2047 Thanks!
@ideasoficeandfire can the nights king control lady stone heart n other ppl brought back from the dead?
Martin said that the White Walker wights are animated by ice magic. Ice Wights.
And those resurrected by Red Priests are animated by fire magic. Fire wights.
The Ice magic of the Great Other, or the Night King on the show.
The Fire magic of Rh'llor.
Similar in principle, different delivery systems. The extent of control is also different, as Ice Wights show very little to no connection to who they were before death (they may try to seek out those that they wanted to go to before death in order to kill them) And only have enough individuality to operate as basic vi/ai drones like with RTS games. They are bound completely to the will of the Great Other.
Where as those resurrected by Rh'llor, clearly show that they know who they were in life (though that deteriorates with each time that they are brought back), and can make their own decisions or at least try to carry out what their plans were when they originally died. Examples;
Beric continues to carry out the Ned's orders, though he has expanded that to deliver justice against all those that have killed and pillaged the innocent, he also converted to the religion of Rh'llor, gave the gift of life to Catelyn Stark against Thoros's advice, has meaningful conversations, and shows a basic code of respect and honor.
Lady Stone Heart on the other hand is purely driven by the need for revenge. To have put to death all of those (and anyone with them) that she believes to have wronged her family.
So, no, the Night King can't control LSH.
Baby Sam is what the others want.
Maybe Quaithe is the bloodstone emperors usurped sister...*shrug*
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Some segments in the video are stamped not adjacent to each other
How the hell did George invent all this shit??
Imagination and research of history and mythology.
He got heavily "inspired" by other people's work.
Gigi Hadid Such as?
Has Ideas ever addressed Preston Jacobs’ ASOIF sci-fi theory?
Yes he did a live stream about that theory in general. He is not a supporter of it.
2023: no sign of TWoW.
GRRM is just talking shit when he criticizes Tolkien about Sauron and Orcs being evil for evil's sake when Sauron has thousands of years if lore which gives him more nuance than people know. For people who have only watched Peter Jackson's films would think Sauron was wanting to take over the world because he was evil, but in the books his motivations do go deeper than that. And as far as not wanting mindless evils like orcs....you have fucking UNDEAD as your soldier villains....
Starts at 17:50
Make that 25:20
Why in the hell does it take over two and a half minutes for your videos to start.
@20min how the hell can you get things so wrong? You say that all these places had different heroes? That makes no sense, and doesn't follow what we know of human folklore. No. The hero happened one time, and all different civilizations had their own understanding of it. The same way religions operate today. It's really simple.
Scott Sparling I think it's more likely that different events got combine into one... I think it's funny that you're talking as though you're certain you know what happened.
The Last Hero seems to be exclusive to the First Men's story of the Long Night. The Last Hero is last heard of seeking the aid of the Children of the Forest.
Azor Ahai on the other hand, is defiantly an individual hero. But, it seems that the Maester's have combined others into his story, based off of similar characters that fit the same roll. He also doesn't seem to fit the legend told by the Rhoynar.
I hope this doesn’t sound offensive it’s not my intention, but do these people haven’t read other fantasie/mystery books other than George’s? Because I don’t understand why they're so obsessed, I mean I’ve read some of his books and I liked them, it’s true that there are very interesting mysteries, however there’re so much better books with quite more interesting mysteries and characters. I just don’t get it. I also think these kind of videos make the story look more misterious than it actually is and try to find an explanation for every single thing. It’s true that George has created a very wide world within the books, but I think when/if the last two books come out it’s going to be quite disappointing for those who want to know every detail about each city, civilization, cult, curse...I mean, come on, some things are clearly written just to make the books heavier. The books are easy to read and he actually gives you many hints so the readers can make hypothesis. It just bites me all the attention this series got when so much better stories are ignored. Anyway, like I said I like the books -so far- and I’ve watched the series, but I def don’t think this series deserves all this obsession they are ok, but not above the greatest fantasy stories.
Padme Vazquez what books do you like better? you said that there are better fantasy stories, but didnt say which ones you like better.
Which ones are better today? Which ones apparently deserve more attention?
I totally agree with you, but I have to point out that the situation that makes you scratch your head is not actually 100% George's credit. It is partially the show's popularity and these videos help fans cope with the long wait in between the seasons which helped nurture a sort of fan culture that thrives on it's own. It's like a game I play, the game might suck and the management sucks too, but the community has grown a life of its own and sustains the playerbase through interaction or whatnot. I am not saying ASOIAF sucks, I'm just saying that these videos exist is because there's a demand for them and youtubers with enough passion for the material to create them. The 'better' books you mention might be great, but unless they become bestsellers and get made into TV Shows with millions of hungry viewers and curious for more content, they will not get this attention. That's just the sad truth.
Padme Vazquez because his work is exemplary and gives great homage to the great many masterpieces of fiction that illuminates the greater truth.
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I also wanna know cause I've tried so hard to find something that fulfills my needs and I've just failed miserably.