Great Empire of the Dawn: Stygai & Oily Black Stone
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ย. 2024
- "What's up with the oily black stone" is one of the most frequent and most interesting questions I get asked, so here it is: a full break down of oily & greasy black stone, Valyrian fused stone, the Seastone Chair, Yeen, Asshai, the Five Forts, and more.
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Valyrians bred dragons for different purposes. Now I can't get Flintstones out of my head. There's a little dragon that's only purpose is to heat the tea kettle and it shrugs at the camera and says, "Hey, it's a living."
Hahahahaha
Apprenticed as a cigarette-lighter until it grew up...
don’t forget the ones that drew a portrait inside the camera
"On his head sat a rounded helm of shining, polished white, while upon his body he wore a sleeveless coat of the brightest yellow, a yellow that glowed with the light of day even in the dusk, and which was edged about with stripes of glistening silver that reflected the light of their torches as if they had a light within of their own."
I’m also reminded of the Spice Weasel from Futurama....
"Someday Rhaegar, all this will be yours!"
"What, the curtains?"
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I think that the Most Cailin stones are SO similar to the oily black stones, but don't usually look oily and don't hurt nature links them to have been built by the same civilization, but weren't corrupted/ cursed. Not sure why, though.
I prefer to believe that the birds are trying to tell him the ending.
Snow! King! Snow!
Yeh well I wish they would try and tell him while he isn’t trying to stream and have other people try and listen.
When you listen on headphones it’s really annoying, distracting and hurts my brain after 20 min - half an hour.
😂
To me, Stygai draws a lot of comparison to Summerhall. Perhaps Stygai was the site of whatever ritual the bloodazor ahaiperor performed to plunge the world into darkness.
I’d think so yes
So to follow up, do you think Summerhall was similar but failed?
@@Fergieluna12 Summerhall was likely an attempt to resurrect dragons. I don't think whatever happened at Stygai was a failure, maybe an unknown side-effect. But the thematic similarities remain, palaces 'corrupted' (literally and figuratively) by dark rituals which occurred there.
Impact metamorphism is a good explanation for the wealth of gold and gems in Asshai/Shadowlands... if that is the cause. Heck, it couldd still have residual hydrothermal activity if it was a big enough impact... or the impact could have triggered such.
Now, not all hydrothermal waters are just hot water. They are often HIGHLY acidic and laden with toxic levels of heavy metals. Don't get me started on the oily black look of radioactive thorianite and uraninite...
Do you reddit, dude? You should write some of this stuff up, people would love it.
for the purposes of ASOIAF, I'm not sure it matters whether Planetos is eventually revealed to be such. Even if it turned out to be a science fiction universe, ASOIAF is most definitely a fantasy story.
@@tentaclepawn1548 Occasionally, but I mostly just like shooting the shit about it. I'm happy for moree prominent folks to take my ideas and run with them. It's George's universe, after all. Anything I have to say is just vanity and supposition while I wait for the winds to howl.
@@casey9439 mk but you're definitely onto something here. I don't reddit...but, I'd be all OVER an essay like that, man. So would others. I see you nibbling that humble pie, but man...you got some straight gold sometimes.
I agree. That is what I was thinking too. We also discussed the concept of blackwater a few videos ago. A blackwater river is a type of river with a slow-moving channel flowing through forested swamps or wetlands. As vegetation decays, tannins leach into the water, making a transparent, acidic water that is darkly stained, resembling black tea. If the meteor impacted in an area that used to be a heavily forested area or former low wetland you could get a deadly toxic combination.
I love that George doesn't feel compelled to share things about his world just so people can know. I love the number of unsolved mysteries of asoiaf, and as tantalizing as it would be to learn some of those secretes, fanservice can be more harmful to a story than it helps, and I think revealing such mysteries would certainly be harmful to the story he's been telling us for the better part of 20 years.
I'm sure you understand the frustration that comes with so many open questions and mysteries. But in the long run we are really blessed by Grrm who, in his wisdom realises the truth behind "show, don't tell"
He's never gonna finish the books anyways.
I like the idea that the Five Forts are a remnant of a melted previous Wall on the other side of the world.
Also beards growing real nice.
Maybe the arm of Dorne is flooded because a massive wall of ice melted somewhere.
@@alexmckee4683 i think it was struck by a meteor.
When I think of stygai I think of river styx garding the underworld, and kadath is only open via dreams. In fantasy there is often portals to other realms, or dimensions as we would call it. Perhaps the heart of winter really is a land of the dead. Maybe it's like that Wheel of Time show, where they opened a dimensional portal opening way for an eldritch evil like gozer in ghost busters, magnifying the evil within men.
The Northorious B.I.G. confirmed name of the 13th Lord Commander of the Night's Watch.
Amazing stream, all the pirate vibes with Cleo and your outfit
rrrrrr ahoy there matey
It was as the Lord Commander that B.I.G. decreed the 10 Crack Commandments. (That's right, cocaine is everywhere. Even in Westeros)
@@Cbjames715 Shade of the evening is a helluva drug.
If you ain't got the clientele say hell no, cause they gonn want they money hail, sleet, rain, snow.
It's a shame these books won't ever be finished by Martin
He needs to hire an architect writer to stop him from creating more knots and guiding him forward, not necessarily co-write but someone who has been an architect writer their whole careers who could show him the benefits of following an outline
I am really hyped for anything Dany! Now, Dany blowing dragonbinder is cool af, I really love the fact that you don't shy away from magic in your theories and that's what I want: magic growing exponentially before the end
Daario is Dragonbinder. It is known.
oh, there is definitly more magic comeing for us and very likely in danys part of the story, I am just not so sure that that is a "good" thing. We tend to get hyped for magic, but this is grrm who likes to give those thing a bitter taste. Dany survived the pyre due to a human sacrefice, which does not fit her godess of mercy vibe at all.
Magic tends to corrupt and makes people overlook stuff.
Like the wildlings saw Varamyr as a great warrior cause of his controll of his controll of his beasts, despite him beeing a disgusting human beeing, never haveing done anything to deserve reverence and abandoning his troups at the first opportunity.
Brans skinchangeing makes him abuse and mindrape Hodor, to escape feeling traped in his own broken body.
Or resurection, a thing that should make people as to good to die, but the cases we saw all where gruesome and the price they payed might not have been worth it. The banerman follow Stoneheart for it was a sign of the gods, that she walkes again . . . but did it do any good? Should they follow her? Should the thing she does be excused?
Or Mel who can drink poison and see in the flames so she thinks she is right and justefied in burning others while actualy misreading a lot . . . her magic makes her in no way more right and I expect we get something similar with Dany too.
The whole incest and superiority thing the valyriens and then tagaryens had going on was excused with magic, but looking behind the epicness of dragons and a higher heat resistance, where they really chosen to rule and better at it?
In most instances where we encounter magic, there is cruelty and darkness, Ashai, the others, valyriens with slavery and experimentations, the undying, that try to feed of dany, the many mad tagaryens, the others, the cruelty in maggy the frogs prophecy, miri maz durr or probably the scariest magicly inclined person, Euron!
Bloodraven and quaith are regarded by some as positiv forces, but are they? Bloodraven was already knowen to be cruel and manipulativ, so who knowes what exactly his plans are now and Quaiths advice towords dany is embracing fire, blood, selfishness and cruelty . . .
And the singers, again bloodsacrifice, destruction and manipulation.
even at its most benevolent magic is still showen as dangerous and running on sacrefice so what will be the price for the magic we will get to see?
@@casey9439 It is known.
PRAISE GARTH
The oily black stone always makes me think of the “pure, concentrated evil” from Time Bandits.
David Warner is literally in everything else, he might as well be AA as well ;)
Wow - melted ice wall to explain the 5 forts 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶
I'd never roll my eyes at ya, LmL. We all have our own idiosyncrasies. Be easy on yourself. =)
Yay, oily black stone stream.
No I missed my favorite streamer! Good thing I have the power of TH-cam to watch the show as many time as I want.
“Nothing else remains…” George giving us some Ozymandias vibes with Moat Cailin 😁
I think it's probably not that likely that all the Oily Black Stone came from one place. I also think it's possible that there's multiple causes of it, or at least multiple sources of the same corrupting power that turns it from fused to oily stone. Would the the Great Empire of the Dawn ship all that stone so far away (All the way to Westeros) rather than just using local materials as the base ingredients of their structures? In my opinion the Oily Black Stone probably started out as the Fused Stone or a similar material made with dragons, perhaps mined in blocks from local rock and then constructed into buildings after fusing, rather than moulded like Valyria . After this fusing it would become corrupted. I can see how the GEOTD makes a bunch of fused stone with their dragons, and when massive magical calamities or at least continued magic exposure over time occurs, this eventually corrupts into Oily Black Stone.
- Asshai, Stygai -> Stone corrupted by the calamity that created the shadow lands, the moon meteor.
- Yeen, Toad Stone -> Maybe also corrupted by the calamity/meteor but also possibly corrupted by long-term magic use on Sothoryos, such as in Gogossos. (Yeen and Asshai are similar not only in design but that they both kill plants and animals so it's probably a mixture of these causes, and the Toad Stone was probably affected more by Gogossos than Yeen was affected by Gogossos.)
- Battle Isle fortification -> perhaps corrupted by 8 thousand years of Hightower magic as they dwelt within and then on top of it, or perhaps corrupted by by whatever caused its abandonment
- Moat Cailin -> built by GEOTD and then corrupted partially by the partial breaking of the neck which possibly took place _at that location_
- Seastone chair -> Similar design to Toad Stone, perhaps also corrupted by the water magic which was used to flood the neck. They are very close by after all, the seawater around the Iron Islands would have been the water flooding the neck. (When did the Ironborn arrive at the Iron islands? Before or after the Neck was broken? If after, the chair was supposedly right on the beach at that time, in the very water being affected by the Children's magic.)
Some other ideas:
The Seastone Chair and Toad Stone are similar intricate carvings of Oily Black Stone depicting water-related animals (Kraken, Toad), The Seastone Chair is similar to the Battle Isle fortification in terms of construct and the Battle Isle fortification is similar to Yeen, Asshai and Moat Cailin in architectural style. Therefore there is a high likelyhood that they were made by the GEOTD's dragons and corrupted in similar ways to all end up connected like this despite the massive distances between them.
Also, Lovecraft's Toad was made of Basalt, and so is Moat Cailin. Basalt is a Igneous rock formed by the cooling of molten rock, which is also how the Fused Stone is formed, so it seems even more likely that not only is the Oily Black Stone made with dragons but that Moat Cailin is a structure of the GEOTD
Furthermore, when the size of Asshai is being described, it draws attention to Oldtown as being able to fit inside, right after talking about the black stone it is made of. Drawing a connection between Asshai and Oldtown specifically (unlike the other cities mentioned, which were given as a general list), makes the similarities between Battle Isle and Asshai even more harsh.
It would be so easy to confirm this if we could see Valyria, they made all of their buildings and also their roads of Fused Stone and if it really is corrupting magic that causes it to become Oily then it would certainly be very Oily in Valyria.
Anyhoo, that was my idea, your video was great as always!
Unrelated note, I always liked the idea that Westeros wrapped around the globe, over the North Pole and there's a whole other side to the continent inaccessible due to the Heart of Winter being in the way. Not evident but a fun idea!
Do you think there’s any black stone under the ice of the Wall?
@@DavidLightbringer I think it's a distinct possibility. If the GEOTD was in the Neck, the Reach and the Iron Islands there's no reason why they couldn't have been building with the stone in the North. It would make sense, too, that they would try to build a fortification there to mirror the 5 Forts which they also made.
The Wiki says that in The World of Ice and Fire it says the 5 forts were constructed by the God-on-Earth's first Son, the Pearl Emperor, the Bloodstone Emperor's Great Great Great Great Grandfather, long before the Blood Betrayal and the Long Night happened. That is odd because they're supposed to be analogies to the Wall, which was made to keep the Others out. Did the GEOTD know about the Other's before the Long Night?
If so, it's possible the 'First Wall' in Westeros was made of Fused Stone just like the 5 Forts, but was destroyed during the Long Night, necessitating the Ice Wall be constructed on top of it to replace it afterwards. I think something like this is the most likely explanation for why Black Stone would be under the wall. After the Long Night the GEOTD collapsed so wouldn't be around to build with it any more, so if it was under there the GEOTD would have had to do it before the Long Night. The First Wall could have been destroyed in a few ways, by the Other's magic, by a meteor, or possibly by Joramun's Horn. If I'm right and magic calamities or prolonged exposure does transform 5-Forts-esque Fused Stone to Oily Black Stone, this could mean any stone under the wall is corrupted and has become Oily and malignant, which wouldn't be good. Perhaps that links to how the Night King and the rest of the Others hope to destroy it.
After the First Wall collapsed, the Ice Wall could have been built in any of the ways theorized over the last couple of decades (lol).
To conclude, the GEOTD could have built a wall in Westeros, probably did considering they made the similar 5 Forts, and if they did it is destroyed, meaning the only place it could be is under the Ice Wall (If any remains at all, which it likely would considering how hardy Oily Black Stone is).
If the GEOTD _didn't_ build a Wall in Westeros, although I'm not sure why they wouldn't have considering they were already there and probably knew a threat was coming, then it's possible the Wall was build _after_ the first Long Night like we are told. In that case it's probably frozen Weirwoods or some other type of Old God Magic holding it up. There's definitely magic present and I believe it'll have some sort of physical form, probably within the Wall.
EDIT: On the topic of if the GEOTD knew the Others were coming and the Long Night was going to happen long before it did, it makes me recall the theory that the ASOIAF world is on a cycle with the Others arriving every few thousand years (Was that theory yours? I don't recall, sorry) and that they need to be destroyed once and for all. That could explain how the GEOT knew to prepare for them
Stygai seems like the epicenter of a magical catastrophe. Like there's an open portal to the Abyss or something.
Much respect to you from western Canada LML. Really appreciate your insights into the series. Admittedly, I don't listen to many of your streams, I'm a big fan of your old ~20min written and produced videos. Thanks for the great analyses LML, I think you come to the series with a refreshing angle that not only let's people appreciate the intricate plots GRRM sets up, but also the symbolism and metaphor, which I think a lot of other channels overlook.
LML’s in British Columbia? Word
I sacrifice this comment to the algorithm gods lol
Great stream! Oily black stone is pretty interesting
In case nobody else has clarified, the telepathic pyramids mentioned by Highland Chicken (that are similar to weirwoods) are from GRRM's short story "And Seven Times Never Kill Man." Would definitely recommend you read it. It also features Bakkalon the Pale Child that GRRM reuses in ASOIAF.
I read a summary of this book after hearing it referenced here. The sci fi nods in asoiaf are some of the most interesting subtle details in the series
Lord David "Strong Beard" BEERatheon 💪🧔🍺👑🦌
Oh shit Beeratheon, it’s right there
@@DavidLightbringer lol
I like to think that oily black stone isn't what that substance originally looked like, but is rather the result of some particular magical process related to the disasters that have befallen basically every civilisation that is known to have made it. The Great Empire of the Dawn probably wasn't built of oily black stone, its constructions were transmuted to it during the Long Night disaster. I wouldn't be surprised if Valyria post-Doom was also full of oily stone that used to be their fused stone.
IMHO, another reason Martin wants us to be thinking of these ancient paleo-/megalithic structures on Planetos is that we see things that are not dissimilar on our own planet, which are just as unexplained/inexplicable.
For example, and outside of the well-known Stonehenge/Avebury and Egypt's Pyramids and the temples/art in Karnak; I always think of the look of the walls at Sachsayhuaman in Bolivia when I think about ASOIAF's 'fused stone' - walls with massive, smooth stone blocks that still sit so tight a human hair can't be passed between them. Then there are the churches/temples at Lalibela in Ethopia, which look like someone hollowed out bedrock with a giant 3D carving tool.
My point is; just like we'll probably never know the 'truth' of the 'primitive' building techniques, Martin wil never give us the 'truth' of the oily black stone and how it came to be.
P.S; love ya work. =)
You're right in putting "primitive" in quotation marks, these builders were anything but primitive. These works of architecture are results of many centuries of development. Stone working was there for a long long time. Today, many skills like it are forgotten or not needed, and we imagine these people used "alien tech" and such. But in fact it's about well-honed skill, patience and good workforce management.
In Martin's world, however, everything is amplified with magic, and the black structures could very well have been put up by magic.
@@imokin86 The point is that ancient builders did things that seem magical in the first place, and the magic merely makes these even more amazing. People have forgotten more than we now know - even if we can accomplish things they could never have imagined.
Night King = Santa Claus confirmed
Wights = elves
Santa = Satan anagram = Lucifer
Lucifer = Lightbringer = Night King = Dario = Euron
George Martin is David’s father.
George + Parris = David the prince who was promised 🤯😂
how long do you think the long night was? do you believe the (old nan?) story that there were generations of children who lived and died in darkness? that would imply maybe 50+ years, but that would be an exceptionally long time for there to be no sunlight and life to survive. there's also the fog of history, which would likely have made future storytellers exaggerate the length of the long night. so what do you think? 5, 10, 20, 50 years? it would have bearing on the temporal relationship between the long night magical instigation, meteor impacts, styggai (if that's where a meteor landed), bloodstone emperor, seastone chair (if it's a meteor/corrupted asshai stoned transported to westeros), azor ahai and the war for the dawn
Well she says generation, singular, and I think that’s certainly a flexible idea, as you say because of the fog of history. I’m thinking about a dozen years, perhaps the same length of time it’s said that nights King ruled for. That’s always been my guess
So many great theories discussed in this vid. From both the chat and from you LML - also drinking game.. take a shot every time Oily Black Stone is mentioned 😆
Even the screen cap went hard lol
Cheers for answering my query at the end, thoroughly enjoyed the stream ✌️
In regards to the oily toad-stone idol. More than likely the stone may have already been present, but it cannot be assumed that it was. Many ancient civilizations have large carved and un carved monuments that were quarried vast distances away then moved/sailed and hauled into place. Egyptian obelisks, and Stonehenge are two of the most well known.
Toad stone is very Clark Ashton Smith inspired
I was reminded of the Moai of Rapanui. They may not be 40 feet tall (honestly, i have no concept of numbers whatsoever) but they are gigantic, on an island and most certainly not originally from the island
Personally, I like the idea that the locals built Mote Cailin:
When Europeans discovered great Zimbabwe they thought that there was no way that the Africans could have built this because they're "So Primitive", it must have been the Atlantians or the Queen of Sheba or some other such rubbish. You see a similar thing with some of the "alternative archaeology" who for some reason don't want to admit the ancient people from foreign lands were clever and capable architects.
People with stone age technology can build great wonders and it seems natural that the racist Westerosi he wouldn't want to think that the Crannogmen where capable or advanced. Given they have Forrest children blood this might have been a capital of a First Men-Children Kingdom.
Edit: Also, thinking about it, the first men absolutely did build giant castles like Storms End, Winterfell and most similar of all, The Wall. The wall was built by first men, children of the forest, giants, mammoths and magic out of giant blocks of ice, similar to Mote Cailin but with a different material, and showing that this culture was eminently capable of building a fortress out of megalithic stones.
solid
see what you did there
55:30 oh that super mute was fantastic lol
The end of this stream is so funny 😂😂 thanks David.
You're doing the Old Gods' work!
Oh wow, great. The birds are screeching non stop in my headphones.
Again…
Yeah Dave switching to an dynamic mic like the SM7b would do wonders for all that background noise man.
It's super annoying the more it goes on.
Thanks for actually suggesting something that will help. I had them in the other room with the lights off and one bird was just having a fucking day, there’s literally nothing I can do about it. Except maybe a diff microphone? Which I’m now looking into
The shade of the evening drink is black and oily and gets you stoned
Shade of the Evening is Blue and Syrupy
Good👍🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Didn’t realise the moon was black or not white 🤭 need to check that.
Great video lml you got yourself a new fan who's gonna binge watch your entire stock!
Thank you professor David Lightbringer ❤️. It was a stream with many interesting insights and information.
Q: It seems like we have two poles of corruption, one in weirwood net and one in Stygai. When the Others defeated what do you think will happen in Stygai?
I'm not sure, perhaps nothing, or perhaps the malign magic influence will just stop making things worse and the shadow will clear
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@@DavidLightbringer the pocket typed comment
I was waiting for this :( But I woke up late. Great work! 💛
So many great artists in the ASOIAF community!
Comments for the tube. Also would it bother you if we get ambiguous and vague answers about all the meteor and first long night stuff? Tolkien always talked about referencing without showing and was wondering if you think martin would do the same
The birds actually did a good job of punctuating the Yeen quote. 😁
Valyrian road crews will henceforth be known as The Paved Companions
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Oily black stone is plastic
I really want to believe it is plastic, but I just can't get over the nagging practical problems with that.
I enjoy these scripted episodes much more than the open Q & A ones.
Channel is growing fast man. Love to see that. I'm sooo late to the party lol been busy but still wanna give thanks. You make my smoke sesh after work that much bettet 😆
That’s legit, remotely tuning into the smoke sesh
Total armchair theorizing: is it possible that the original inhabitants of Asshai migrated from Sothoryos, bringing the oily, black stone with them? This proto-GEOTD community may have eventually learned to ride/control the nearby dragons, and may have transitioned from the oily, black stone they used to build Asshai to the fused stone we see in the Five Forts. Is this heresy or is it a possibility given what we know?
“Magically toxic,” or the fact that the oily black stone repels vegetation and animal life might also be GRRM’s version of a radioactive material
Tool Style, Cool Style. Very Cool Tool Style. 😎👍
The extended mutes are part of the charm. I use the time to praise Garth and try to hold till you unmute!
What video should I check out to learn about Azor Ahai being the Bloodstone Emperor, that sounds super interesting? Never mind, I saw the link at the end of the video. I’ll be checking that video out next.
This is one of your older videos but I love the birds in the background. It’s very cute
also it very well could be the oily black is meteorites - if only 20% of the meteors that have hit earth were oily black stone, we could build everything in california out of it
Collab with Davie504 someday? Or faceoff even.
I just want to say thank you 🙏🏻 LML for the stream👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻As always, it was awesome, I really appreciate all your videos and the hard work that you invest to create them. You’re the Best on TH-cam to explain the WOIAF, no doubt about it!🙋🏼♀️🇨🇦💪🏼😉
Talking about fishy people...
Ser Mandon Moore!
I think this guy have some sqishy ancestors for sure!
Mandon has pale grey eyes, oddly flat and lifeless.
"Jaime had once told him that Moore was the most dangerous of the Kingsguard-excepting himself, always-because his face gave no hint as what he might do next."
-thoughts of Tyrion
" 'MY LORD! TAKE MY HAND! MY LORD TYRION!'
There on the deck of the next ship, across a widening gulf of black water, stood Ser Mandon Moore, a hand extended. Yellow and green fire shone against the white of his armour, and his lobstered gauntlet sticky with blood"
Lobstered gauntlet? 🤔
Tyrion: "What do you know of Ser Mandon Moore?"
Bronn: "I know he's bloody well drowned."
"He had eyes like a fish and he wore a white cloak. What else do you need to know?"
And here we get his backstory:
" 'The man seems to have been quite friendless,' Tyrion said carefully.
‘Sadly,’ said Varys. ‘oh sadly. You might find some kin if you turned over enough stones back in the Vale, but here…Lord Arryn brought him to King’s Landing and Robert gave him his white cloak, but neither loved him much, I fear. Nor was he the sort the smallfolk cheer in tourneys, despite his undoubted prowess. Why, even his brothers of the Kingsguard never warmed to him. Ser Barristan was once heard to say that the man had no friend but his sword and no life but duty…but you know, I do not think Selmy meant it altogether as praise. Those are the very qualities we seek in our Kingsguard, it could be said-men who live not for themselves, but for their king. By those lights, our brave Ser Mandon was the perfect white knight. And he died with sword in hand, defending one of the king’s own blood.’ The eunuch gave him a slimy smile and watched him sharply.”
Friendless? Cold? With a lobsterd gauntlet? Eyes like a fish? Kin living under stones at the coast of the Vale? That's exactly where i would look for squishers!
Hey, great stuff Jon! At the very least he’s a symbolic squisher. One thing though, the squishers symbolize Others in general, so Manson may just be an example of that symbolism. But wow that’s a lot, maybe he is actually squisher folk. Love the finds either way! Under stones is indeed where you might find them haha
You are welcome to comment it on the theory Streem. Someone suggested it on westeros.org many years ago. But I have made my own research and picked the quotations. 🙂
Would you ever consider doing a collaboration with Preston Jacobs? Maybe a live discussion on the symbolism of ASOIAF, or something like that?
lol
LmL is not into Preston's theories (it seems he's heard mostly of the sci-fi ones).
@@millibillionth that is why I would like them to collaborate.
@@magnuspeacock5857 it would be a fun meeting of worlds
@@casey9439 they could really help each other.
Asshai must have been transformed from some nomals city into oily black stone, Nobody wouls build a city of oily black stone, so you´re rigt there was not enogh meteor material to build sth from it. There msut be some transforming power that tramsforms normal cmaterial into black oily stone.
isnt blackstone the military contractor ran by betsy devos' brother and is currently buying all the real estate in north america?
;)
You’re mixing up black rock and black water. Devos was involved in both.
Hey you probably won’t see this but thank you for these deep dives this is what gets me into series. I’ve been eating up your vids while at work or driving and I’m loving it!
Asshai is the most mysterious place. Arya reaching Asshai and exploring this could be thhe most interresting story of them
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There's a theory that the children of the Forrest have ties with the children of the Forrest that live in essos. They think they taught the magic to dragon riders , ,, I forget how it all ties together , but it actually makes a lot of sense. Anyway it might be something fir you to check out
I'm obsessed with the Shadowlands. I want to know everything.
Ah, the dark and mysterious Far East. My favorite topic, so this stream was a great joy to me! Loved the new image of the Shadowbinders, some of the most intriguing characters to me. 'Most sinister of all', say the maesters, which of course is all hogwash (see: Quaithe). I see them as the brave Eastern equivalent of the Night's Watch's rangers, going into a dangerous land (mind you, we know there are other people living in the Shadowlands). Do you think this Night's Watch of the East of sorts may have been founded by Azor Ahai?
It is said that the darkness of the long night happened because of the wickedness of the empire of the dawn. The lady of light turned her back on the world, or in a sense cursed it to become bathed in shadow. Could this curse also extend to darken the very stone used to build their empire, to never return? It’s like sowing salt in fields, such that their power and wickedness would never rise again. It explains the toxicity across the continents and why it drinks the light.
I think the Maiden Made of Light is just the sun, so saying she turned her back on the world is just a way of saying the sun was hidden. I think there has to be a more specific explanation for the greasy stone
Great Stream!
thanks as always for your comments Tawk!
I can see you have some Puscifer and Primus in the background and a Tool shirt. 've also discovered that you love AAL too. It seems that you have an execellent taste in music as well as in literature ;)
Hey hey thanks so much ❤️
Honestly, the "technical difficulties" makes it so much more wholesome lol
Yay! Thanks for reading my comment! I really feel like those craters are good evidence of some kind of impact from space.
Really enjoyed this stream, thank you!
Maybe an ancient kingdom exploded and pooped all these black oil stones all over the place. It was pretty impressive though how the Egyptian moved stuff because they wet the sand and another old culture used seaweed to move stuff I think.
Nobody would build walls of wood, even if its from black trees
During the quote about Moat Cailin describing the 3rd tower which looks like it had had a chunk bit out of it by "some great beast"; all I could think was damage from a great beast = dragon meteors! 🐉☄ xx
100%, and the tower tops are often equated with the celestial bodies, so a beast biting the tower top off and spitting the rubble about is basically the comet hitting the moon and scattering moon meteors everywhere
A greate stone beast leaping from a tall tower...
The fire crackling, and the birbs in the intro ^^. So homey. Man, oh man! Despite being there live...the things I have missed 😅
Trying to get my nose in a book tonight to catch up a little. (After this. Doih.)
Yeah. I love the birbs. it's like he's live from the water gardens of Sunspear.
LML has his own rookery lol
I do, lol
No one wants to hear that bird. I made it 3 minutes can't take it anymore.
Do you pronounce the names of all these things wrong on purpose??
The idea of an ancient meteor strike is such a good one! I wonder - if you were to plot the locations of the oily black stones on a map of Planetos, would you be able to discern a pattern? For instance, would you find a point of entry in the atmosphere above Asshai, followed by a fragmentation as the meteor breaks apart in the atmosphere (thereby spreading chunks of bloodstone meteor across Planetos but concentrating the biggest bang in the immediate impact area)?
I have the beginnings of a theory that the Shadow Binders wear lacquered masks to hide from glass candles.
Oily black stone sounds very similar to hard plastic
How?
@@DavidLightbringer we know that plants don't grow on plastics, like lack of vegetation in yeen, and in asshai. Plus many types of hard plastics like PTFE and pom are know to absorb radiation. Igneous rock is very close to fused black stone and even on igneous rock vegetation would grow. Hard plastics can have an oily appearance compared to igneous rock. So possibly a nuclear event caused the long night and the radiation was absorbed by the oily black stone( plastic) which causes everything around it to become mutated.
Random thought: If Valyria was around for thousands of years and shown prone to contest, why did they never conquer Westeros? Even Tyrion remarks on it as odd; "Dragonstone is no more than a rock, the wealth was farther west".
And I don't buy arguments that Westeros was "too poor". That's nonsense. The gold of Casterly rock is so famous that it's talked about even in Asshai. And I know about the prophecy of Lannister gold, but they aren't the only rich family in Westeros. The Reach is particularly rich as well. Westeros overall might not be the richest in the world but it was certainly well developed, taxable, and fairly wealthy. And most of all, easy to conquer as Aegon proved with just 3 dragons.
Every time I listen to an LML stream I come away with more new thoughts! I was especially taken with the idea that the wierwoods may be an absorbing force, as all trees take into themselves what is around them. If Nissa Nissa was a CotF, perhaps when she was killed she unknowingly unleashed a terrible toxin onto the world. You've also likened Dany to a weirwood, pointing out her birthing of the dragons, lighting her hair on fire, the heartsblood staining her mouth. Dany seems to be especially sensitive at absorbing that which is around her. She also seems to amplify these effects in herself and even in others. I've long thought Dany might be a reincarnation of the original Nissa's soul who has come back to right a wrong (namely her own death, and the effects it caused). If killing a highly magical, precious CotF, someone thought to perhaps be a princess or queen, I can only imagine what that could unleash. It's essentially killing Mother Nature herself, unleashing all kinds of horrors on the world. Plagues, mutations in animals, large scale oceanic death.
Likewise, if the oily black stone chair is toxic, we can assume the Iron Throne is as well, just for different reasons. If the IT is toxic due to all the death it has caused, whoever sits upon it may absorb this negativity. If Targs are descendants of Nissa Nissa or the CotF (from eons ago), it may explain why so many of them went "mad" so to speak. They are unknowingly absorbing death, sadness, horror, and pain. There's only so much of that a being can take before it is unleashed.
Anyhow, just my own rambling thoughts. I must have pages of these written in my phone because it's so fascinating. As always, adore your content man! Thank you for being here for the fandom!
I loooove that intro music!
Possibly the ASOIF topic that intrigues me the most
Valyrian lizard babies???? could someone please give me some context
Yeah several Targaryens give birth to deformed lizard babies that have scales, tails, claws, wings, etc
Neat :D I found this channel just recently, I feel welcomed. Oh, no ... wait XD This video is over 3 years old. I'll stick around regardless.
haha don't worry we've been keeping up the vibes
check out the recent Euron stream
The toad statue at the island of toad could be referring to one of the gods in the empire of the dawn (I think they are called the old ones) like the lion of the night... it could be the toad of so and so, (makes me want to imagine a god for all significant animal based houses in the world! (Stag, Wolf, Dragon, lion, and so on)
Now that I'm on the topic of Lion of the night... Was the person that was forced to turn into the Night King a Lannister? Their house was one of the first men, and in the show he resembled one more than a Stark.
The black, oily stone is probably the "moon" (asteroid?) that broke apart and scattered to different parts of the planet, that could explain the multiple different areas of the black stone being present.
This black oil is either the source of magic or the fallout of it. I think the valerians ancestors tamed wyverns in the Sothoryos first and experimented on them by maybe feeding themselves the oil and using magic? Take Yeen, Asshai, the Toad people, Fish people lion people examples of failed attempts at genetic mutations until one finally stuck with dragons.
but hey its just a theory. a dumb theory.
I sometimes joke about Sothoryos as being the Bloodstone Emperor’s island of Dr Moreau lol
@@DavidLightbringer just watched moon dragons lol imagine if there's a curse where meteors strike the earth every time a dragon is born!
serious question though, "What came first magic or meteors?"
Couldn't finish watching live 'cause of a blackout, but here I am!
haha, a blackout... lol
I like the rhaegar reading corner but the artwork is phenomenal. Makes it more dramatic.
What if the stone and the toxicity within the city r different like say the blood stone emperor performed some terrible magic to keep his enemies out but wasnt aware that the spell would spread poison throughout the very land he inhabited ?
That’s what I think. The oily black stone is for sure done with blood magic which is what makes it oily
Maybe hammering the neck was either a different beings or them so desperate to stop something they used it even if it mean their end 🤷♂️🤔
Awwww LML, you should have really oiled up the beard. Seems highly apt given the topic 😄
I mean I did a little
@1:33:00 , Westeros, Essos, Sothoryos and NORVOS, my dude.
what Ulthos is however, I don't know, something 'ulterior', idk...
I was born and raised in San Francisco-now I live in the hell scape known as Los Angeles-and I’ve found that your channel really makes me miss home.
Always love your vids. Love your knowledge pretty inspiring...oh like the shirt too..official tool army member
nice... spiral out!
@@DavidLightbringer my third eyes wide open..
This video is cursed! Beware ye!