The Truth Behind the Drowned God | Game of Thrones/ASoIaF Theory
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- A crazy theory on the origins of the Drowned God and the Deep Ones, but also about the mazemakers, giants, and the children of the forest (CotF). This is a theory that brings them all together and tells the story of A Song of Earth and Water, much like A Song of Ice and Fire. It is a story that spans across both continents of Westeros and Essos, unraveling the mysteries of Asshai and the other oily or greasy black stones, along with the fused black stones like the Five Forts and the base of the Hightower at Oldtown.
0:00 - Who was the Drowned God?
3:31 - The Mazemakers of Lorath
4:42 - The Old Ones of Leng
7:01 - The Base of the Hightower
8:57 - Ser Clarence Crabb and the Squishers
11:22 - Battle Isle
11:53 - Why the children fought the giants
13:23 - George R.R. Martin's Inspiration
16:17 - Why the Mazemakers built mazes
17:34 - Why the Children created the Deep Ones
18:45 - The Meaning of A Song of Ice and Fire
21:48 - Asshai
24:11 - The Hammer of the Waters
25:47 - The Thousand Islands
29:03 - The Five Forts
31:25 - Were the Others/White Walkers in Essos?
33:52 - The Great Empire of the Dawn
Interview with the Dragon: web.archive.org/web/2005110309...
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Blog post, if you prefer reading: thesuddenstorm.wordpress.com/2018/03/12/the-truth-behind-the-drowned-god/
Will you be making new videos now the new shows have come out?
@@thearmchairjournalist566 ppppppp
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Please make more videos!
Really appreciate that while virtually every other ASOIAF theory channel stopped making actual videos that you have continued. Your Patchface theory video is a personal fave and I appreciate the time & detail you put into these. Cheers!
@Nelson Templar quinns ideas is great
@NelsonTemplar "Virtually", he said
David Lightbringer...whence all these ideas are actually being stolen.
@@NeidlichesSchwert I find his personality wildly off-putting.
Its pretty clear GRRM is a Lovecraft fan, and these beings are taken directly from that lore. The Drowned God is literally Cthulhu or Dagon, the Deep Ones are the same Deep Ones from Lovecrafts Shadow over Insmouth. The Sistermen are described to have the "Touch" or the "Mark" of the sea god which is fish like features, just like the folk of Insmouth, due to their interbreeding with Deep Ones at some point. ALSO waaaaay over in Essos, past the Dothraki sea, past the mountains, even past the plains of the Jogosnhai, there is the city of Carcossa. Lost Carcossa!!
The Drowned God has nothing in common with Dagon, let alone Cthulhu. Dagon desires for his children to rule the surface world. That's it. That's literally his whole thing.
Cthulhu is, by definition, unknowable and thus so too is what he wants.
The Drowned God is, depending on interpretation, an immortal human under the sea or a bunch of psychic fish. Neither are eldritch or Lovecraftian.
I love how the lore of conflicts is spread out and misinterpreted because of unfamiliarity. It's not just two eldritch entities of Ice and Fire spanning over Westeros and Essos. The obscure Mazemakers and Deep Ones conflict with their Five Forts being wrongly attributed to Pearl Emperor and interpreted as against Others who likely were never there.
And the Azor Ahai being vision from behind the ocean because people in Essos yearned for saviour of their own, who would protect them from their own plague of darkness? Absolutely brilliant.
DDS sesa
or maybe a sequel ploy? When the ice wall comes down.... all that ice has to go somewhere. sea levels are going to rise a lot! it is going to rain a lot -> enter the squashers to retake the lands of Essos. Only the Five Forts being the last refuge against the deluge. So a hero might be needed in the east... If Danny does not go to Westeros, she could fill that role.
@@peterwindhorst5775I like that theory a lot! "To reach the west you must go east" referring to Dany having to fight through some aquatic rising enemy eastward & then arriving in Westeros from the west afterwards
Rather than the Great Empire of the Dawn never existing, doesn't it make more sense that they did, and merely used giants to construct their forts? After all, the Mazemakers are HALF-giants, so doesn't it follow that they come from an interbreeding of giants and men? So the Great Empire was ruled by either giants, men, or half-giants.
That’s good. The Great empire of the dawn would be a human-like race, and they enslaved the giants for their strength. But giants are not intelligent enough to be used as builders, so the Empire interbred them with humans to make the idea builder slave race.
*For a peaceful people.. The Children of the Forest seem to be picking fights with everyone and fucking shit up all over the planet.*
lmao so true actually
Because theyre not peaceful. They're vengeful af.
fascinating: although I disagree completely with the children being the origin of the drowned god. I believe the children called on the power of the drowned god. So its heavily implied that each type of magic comes from a different supernatural force. Skinchanging and what we could call "earth magic" seems to come from the weirwood, who are essentially an old god. Their magic appears to be based around ancient knowledge preserved in the tree hivemind. There is also fire and shadow magic based on rhlor, comets, dragons, etc. Of course theres also ice magic based on the others and whatever dark force bran sees in the heart of winter. I believe the drowned god is a cthulu like figure who has domain over the water magic of the world. Its associated heavily with madness, the squishers, krakens, etc. All of these types of magic are distinct in their domains and are associated with an element, and they seem to be frequently in competition, ice vs fire and earth vs water (see the ironborn constantly warring with the northerners of house stark who are deeply tied to earth magic) The children can take on animal skins certainly, but I believe rivers are a different domain to the deep sea. The Rhoynar have their own magic that is partially distinct from seafarring beliefs and includes things like greyscale, those weird turtles, etc. Both of these things seem to fuse earth and water magic together. greyscale is a disease that turns you to stone essentially, and is associated with a river, and turtles are land creatures who live in water.
The children likely called on the magic of the drowned god to save them from the first men when they broke the arm of dorne, and likely called on the magic of the great other when they created the white walkers later on. I believe the children were punished by the weirwoods for these transgressions and that is why men were able to aquire greenseer magic despite being ostensibly opposed to the children and their gods. Essentially the childrens' gods couldnt help them, so they called on other gods and ended up losing their place as the creatures with dominion over the forests (why they serve bloodraven and bran now)
very good point
Makes sense the gods couldn't count on the loyalty if their own creation so they threw their lot in with man kind and the children created the others their greatest crime when the war was done I think the children had two choices stay in the south and be persecuted and slaughtered by men in retribution for the children breaking the oath and bringing extinction down on them all or go north to die out slowly they chose the later
I think there’s something to this. I also agree that freshwater associated things seems to be fundamentally different to salt water associated things. However, I do point out the overlap between earth and sea magic. The green seers weirnet is symbolically a ‘green sea’- see LmLs videos on this. In short, Nissa nissa figures are plunged into water or a green sea (forest) before rebirth. The rebirth is also fire themed. Eg. Catelyn thrown into the green fork and was described as a woman who was a fish. She then is resurected with fire magic, and then lives in a weirwood hill. Dany goes into the green sea of the grass sea, and then had a fire rebirth. Arya, Arianne and brienne also must wander around forests. Brienne wanders around in a forest and comes on the edge of the sea, and hears about Dick Crabb and the squishers. This is explained by LmL as being symbolism that the moon was shattered, and the pieces of the moon fell into the sea, and other pieces fell on the earth, which was covered by forest. The moon meteors were flaming of course. So the female characters represent the moon falling into the sea/ forest, being reborn from the moon into the meteors. Meteors are also associated with dragons, and thus fire. The prices of moon may have been found and forged into swords, another fire rebirth.
I've been thinking about the Maze-Makers and the fused black stone, and it makes me wonder: what if they didn't use Dragons at all?
We know from the theories of Septon Barth that Dragons are very likely the result of breeding Wyverns with Fire Wyrms. Fire Wyrms possess the ability to breath fire, and live under ground in huge tunnels which they themselves burrow. We learned from the faceless men that Fire Wyrms have no love for men, but what about beings that are not of the race of man at all? If the maze makers and their giant brethren learned how to utilize Fire Wyrms for tunneling and to make fused stone, this would explain how things like the Forts predate the rise of the Freehold and their blood bond with dragons. It could also explain what happened to Balerion when he vanished along with princess Aerea. If the Maze Makers lived alongside Fire Wyrms large enough to assist in building things like the Five Forts, there could still be ones large enough living beyond the doom, that could injure the largest living dragon.
That essay on wordpress centered on the shadowlands, asshai, the valyrians, and the children of the forest, that was an enjoyable trip of a read. This video was also very enjoyable.
These videos are amazing. I can't believe there's still more stuff to find in ASOIAF
Glad to see you upload again! Great work!
Your theories about de deep ones and the giants and their mazes are very good. But the ones pointed by david lightbringer about the empire are of the dawn are very good and have a lot of details as well. I guess we’ll have to wait for george to see what really happened so many time ago.
You should read Lovecraft more. Half of the mythology in this book series is based on the universe Lovecraft, Smith, Howard and their group created.
Best video out there concerning the deep ones. Keep it up!
This video is so great! Amazing details with quotes supporting everything! And its insightful! I’ve never heard an explanation behind the Reeds’ oath before this! And it makes perfect sense! Absolutely amazing! Thank you and please keep up the great work!
Easily my favourite theory and fills a lot of blanks. Especially relating to the thousand isles. I've always noticed how none of the other theories can even remotely account for anything that happened there. It also makes me wonder if the black goat of Qohor is related to any of this.
The Black Goat is definitely another Lovecraft reference. Shub Nigurath.
I honestly feel like this was GRRM's attempt at doing his old Legendarium. Instead of language, poetry, etc this stuff mostly just felt like interesting things to have referenced here and there.
Martin said that most of the world it's just funny world building and references to stuff he likes. It doesn't had a deep, developed lore.
Very well put together
I just found your channel and it is amazing, I hope you continue uploading more videos like this. It would be really nice if you could do a video about possible undiscovered lands if you have time to do so. Thanks for your content!
You’re a beast bro, I always come back to this video, the shadow people and the bloodstone emperor videos. Hopefully you make another video!
Dude you have no idea how much I love your videos
Just when I thought I’d ran out of lore videos to watch, I find this. Excited to explore this channel.
Have you noticed we only know 2 things about Grumkins and even less about Snarks. Grumkins steal children and grant twisted wishes. I'm pretty sure Grumkins are Others and Snarks are Wights.
According to Nimble Dick, Squishers (i.e. Deep Ones) also steal children. There's more than one non-human species that seems to need human children.
This blew my mind, subbed
Great stuff. Keep it up!
Really love these vids, also thanks for putting the art in the description
The misshapen fish, with bitter taste could also just refer to real world deep sea fish, who have similar attributes. They look deformed, and have due to their high pressure hostile environment a different biochemical make up to survive there. Now, deep sea fish or descendants of them, around deep ones areas, seem to me like a possible extra hint!
Also Nagga's Bones might actually be remains of a weirwood, which could give more ground to involvement between the children and the deep ones.
Great vid. Thank you!
This is astonishingly beautiful!
I tend to perceive theories as much more true than they really are, but this one is so complex and intricately designed. And the most plausible part is how we, as readers, don't even have to find this out in the books, as it excludes everything beyond the current conflict in Westeros as part of a bygone age; exactly what GRRM tends to do when it comes to such topics!
Speaking of bygone ages, could you go into a little more detail on the western race you mention (western as in from beyond the Sunset Sea) and Battle Isle? Since the Seastone Chair is made of oily black stone, I would still conclude it was built by the Deep Ones, not necessarily a foreign race. And who would the Mazemakers/Old Ones have fought on Battle Isle if not the Deep Ones themselves? Would you say these utmost westerners have an even greater role in the history of the (un)known world?
Thanks in advance!
We've missed you, Bro.
i love your theories!
The island looks like a crescent moon. There is a Dothraki believe that dragons came from the moon. And there were two…. Could be an indication that dragons did originate from there.
really dope editing and audio !
maybe make a patreon !
i love your videos bro keep up, everything about them is great, you just need to mix them with atmospheric goth music and sound effects because i found myself enjoying them and sheivering even more while i listen my playlist of goth music, and thank you.
Great work, man. Just fantastic research and explanation of that research in a compelling and interesting way. The only way it could be better is if you included a link to get a finished and complete of Winds of Winter as a downloadable PDF.
After I herd the books I can’t stop thinking about a song of ice and fire!!
Bro holy shit. That bit on Marvel and Subterania blew my mind. Always had a similar thought. Thought he was influenced by RA Salvator. They got the Underdark in DnD. Also in Promise of the Witchking there is a sword called Blackfire and demons called Daemons
And GRRM has spoken about playing D&D as well
Love your video
fantastic !!!
Deep ones attack maze. Deep ones get lot in maze. Deep one dries out and dies in maze. -Why the maze makers built mazes.
Cool video, you make a great case!
If it was the maze makers who built the fortress on Battle Isle (the base of the Hightower), do you think that might just be the tip of a massive underground labyrinth?
Perhaps?
You absolutely blew my mind in the first 2 minutes. I can't believe I missed such an obvious detail. I was recently thinking about House Velaryon and it's ancient links to old Valyria. I only got as far as the similarities between House Verlaryon and the Iron Islands. I was always stumped. It's obvious that the same influences which shaped the religion of the Iron Islands was the same old worship that stayed with house Verlayon. And that's as far as I got. But after considering the cotf in the way you describe, it all seems to come together.
I was wating for a comeback.
Nice job big guy!!
That’s why the iron born sacrifice live humans to the see
EXCELLENT
This is good and makes sense, I've always felt like the Lovecraftian elements attributed to The Drowned God to be a (no pun intended) red herring
Would you say the Dry Deep is filled with the bones of marine life from a since dried eastern sea bordering the Five Forts?
I think George was influenced by Tolkiens Simalrion story of Iru Iluvatar creating existence by singing
YOU ARE BACK?
Alabastur... Now that's a name I hadn't heard in a long time.
There’s alot in ASOIAF kinda feel like a real history
U guys think we will get a song of earth and water series one day?
This video is really good my only major critism is you keep jumping from each part of the theory to the next really quickly with barely any prior context or warning
"Queer misshapen race of half-men."
That's a blunt way of describing HRT and accompanying procedures, but I guess it is still accurate, so carry on.
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Congratulations sure you made the most random comment in history how do you feel about your grand accomplishment?
@bigbittygothgf3042 The quote is from the video and books. It couldn't be less random. Poorly applied lipstick, ill-fitting dresses, an open wound, and breasts do not a woman make. See Quote for details.
I really hate how everything revolves around the children of the forest, it makes the world feel alot smaller.
Amazing theory though still Yeen of Sothoryos land (and other legendary humanoid creatures as the Blind Cavedwellers and the Lizard Men there aside of very well known Brindled Men much alike as Ibbenese) and then Ulthos very unknown with the unnnamed ruins at Ullos island nearby to Asshai, the feared cities of Stygai at the core of Shadow Lands and K´Dath at the Grey Cold Wasteland nearby to the Shrykes fearing that as well (very alike as Stygai is feared by the Asshaians) and then the far east lands of Essos at the border of the map as Carcossa, the Winged Men City and the Cities of Blodliess Men, all seems very thrilling eerie apart from this awesome good builded theory which might explain A LOT yet not all of some of the most feared things as Stygai, Yeen, K´Dath and Carcossa actually do on their own.
This felt like a video on the maze makers more than a video on the deep ones. Still a good video though.
Wizard War by Hugh Cook I'm sure very much influenced GRR Martin I very much recommend it . Awesome story .
1:16 i started thinking if the idea of the children “flying like birds” and it made me think of how you mentioned the children taught humans how to use ravens but what if they literally became the ravens at first and not only that but what lther animal do we know that flies and was eventually taught by humans with help of another civilian (likely the children), dragons, what if they literally became fucking dragons to teach the valyrians, idk i j found out abt the theories of the children thanks to ur video and it j rlly makes mire sense than ither like the theory of the empire of the dawn
"You would have to prove this 'mythical" Empire existed in the first place.' But my theory, no, you don't have to prove that. It was totally giants. If you cannot prove it was the Empire, then I am automatically right"
Ok I want to see the time where magic was so potent in westeros. Drowned God, merlings, deep one's, dragons, kraken, skin walkers, giants, etc and how men drove them back to the shadows.
What is dead may never die
What's the song/instrumental playing in the first minute of the video?
Hope ya been well it's been ages!
Leng and the Deep Ones are both straight from H. P. Lovecraft. In Lovecraft, the Deep Ones were amphibious and capable of interbreeding with humans, the hybrids started off looking human and gradually became more frog like and then fish like as they matured, before retreating to their homes underwater.
Leng was a plateau in Lovecraft. No need to look further than these references being anything other than a tip of the hat to Lovecraft.
In my head canon of your theory the maze makers use fire wyrms
the thing is though, the pact supposedly had the first men renounce their own gods (storm god, lord of skies, lady of waves, other unnamed gods, and the DROWNED GOD) in favor of the old gods of the children of the forest. the iron born retained their drowned god, but the point is that it probably isn't a religion related to the nature-worship of the children of the forest. isn't it inconsistent if the children simultaneously worshipped and banned the drowned god?
We need to get glidus on this
So... I'm really late here, but did you notice that when you highlighted the space between the Thousand Islands and Asshai to show the 5 Forts, it makes the shape of Aegon's dagger? 😮Just saying. I'm sure it's nothing... 🤔😁
It is absurd that the deep one could build such a massive city such as Asshai. They aren't even land dwellers, so they wouldn't do this; where would they get the resources to do this? It would be absurd, and they would be open to attack. They live in the sea, not on the literal biggest city ever built. Asshai was either the capital or a port city of the Great Empire of the Dawn
yeah lets give up our greatest advantage besides the fact theirs some thing east of the fort bone town and what ever demons originated from that place
John snow is Dawnish!!! First book in one of the first chapters Kat gives it all away!!
That was the story Ned told her.
I think asshai was the capital of the empire of the dawn
Stygai is better Placed For a capital and who knows what is in there no one goes there
All this info is from the books of song of ice and fire?
The true truth is everyone rips off Lovecraft
I mean everything tends too connect too the nymph children maybe they got have ocean cousins
So the last hero and Azor ahei are like the same person
What about the Great Empire of the Dawn? Weren't they also theorized to have made the 5 forts and were dragon masters as well? It fits better, I think.
did you finish the video, man?
28:12 its like its been nuked but with magic :0
You could also call it the Underdark of DND fame
A Song of Earth And Water
Interesting theory and well made, enjoyable video. Complete and utter bollocks though.
"She had heard that the first dragons had come from the East, from the Shadowlands beyond Asshai and the islands of the Jade Sea"
This quote is very clearly saying that dragons come from the Shadowlands which are further East than Asshai and the islands of the Jade sea not that Dragons come from the Shadowlands and some of them also come from the islands of the Jade sea.
Without that one quote your entire theory falls apart
Ser Clarence Crabb was 8 feet tall, rode an auroch and was once described as shaggy therefore he's a half giant, that doesn't make any damn sense. Also you seem to be suggesting that Ser Clarence Crabb was somehow one of the Maze Makers despite him being from long after the Maze Makers disappeared.
Giants = first men.
Northerners including the Starks = union of Giants and Children.
Either there are some crazy lovecraftian creatures resides in Ocean of Asoiaf world or people just interpreting according to their myths just like in Earth we have myths of mermaids and Kraken or Atlantis.
Rip mazemakers
So Euron is going to warg a kraken?
mazes are for games and training, they're built where children are being raised
Grrm lore is s the best...especially when he ties in the lovecraft stuff
... And the thousand islands after a salad dressing is so odd for him.
I liked your theory apart from the explanation that the Drowned God = Green Seer makes perfect sense, BUT you reducing the Empire of Dawn to a collective delusion is 100% NONSENSE! Because you forget the ENTIRE House Dayne plot in the trash, the Daynes have platinum hair and lavender eyes and don't have an ounce of Valyrian blood and a sword "DAWN" that in Martin's own words "IS stronger and lighter than ANY Valyrian steel " and that Dayne's background is a great plot mystery! "Dayne=Dawn,your sword is DAWN ,his family ten thousand years OLD ! And all Plot Emperor BlOODSTONE /Crow's Eye!
Rhaegar??
Plot twist: It ends in a scifi. ASoIAF is a substory of the larger universe GRRM has created, the red comet is a volcryn.
The Dothraki fear the sea because their horses can't drink it.
I still think the Others saved he world freezing a massive tidal wave from a meteor impact.
Those who live deep under the earth can find warmth and blind fish to eat, allowing them to survive the long night. Maybe the long night is their weapon, because they can survive it.
what would something who lives without light care if the world above was night or day?
@@JTheTeach To kill those who cannot survive in long periods of darkness, like humans?
@@JTheTeach to kill off the surface dwellers who could potentially be enemies
bruh u actually came back???
Why would you say the counterpart to the Others is Valyria rather than R'hllor!?
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"Born of human men and giant women" down bad
Snu Snu?
Pfff. Nofa Kingway.
Que Meabe..
-ancient song of denial, then acceptance
Song of fire an ice the children made the others an the targaryans probably and now the creature's of the deep. If they can't beat you they make a nightmare to do it there terrible.
George is obvi a Blizzard fan and these are just Murlocs