@@ThatKidinAfrica not sure , because if the faceless men are a part of it could be along with the rest of the face less. He is chaotic as fuck we know that he is more than what he says he is and everything that says to dany are actions that leads to chaos. I dont think he is alone but i count him to be a part of the whole consept.
Why not Moqorro? His origins are ambiguous enough to hide the immortal background, and in Lovecraft's works Nyarlathotep often takes on the form of a man whos skin is literally black, like Moqorro's.
With all this talk of Nyarlothotep, I wonder why no one has made the connection to Euron as the personification of the Messenger of the Old Ones on earth. He is an agent of chaos, delights in torture and pain, and wants to become a god. He also made a deal with one of the Great Old Ones for power and knowledge. He laughs at the gods of mortals and mocks them, in Aeron's vision he is seen towering above all of them, while they are impaled on spikes, dead and defeated. But he is not himself anymore, but the drowned God/Cthulhu. Euron is no mere member of the Church of Starry Wisdom. Euron IS Nyarlothotep personified, the agent of the Great Old Ones, harbinger of a time where the Gods of Men will be cast down and the world remade in chaos, in the eternal cycle.
I definitely get the impression that the world of ice and fire is in some sort of conflict between multiple supernatural entities. The likely conduits for them are the black oily stones (not sure if its the same/different as obsidian) and the weirwood trees. The Ironborn have their seastone chair, so they have likely been pawns of the dark god for some time. The preview chapter with Euron Greyjoy suggests that he is a likely candidate as host for otherworldly consciousness. The Ironborn were also the ones who built Harrenhal, which I believe will one day be home to the army of the dead. I mean, nothing else could possibly fully man it, and it IS said to be cursed. . . . but yeah, this ties nicely with that.
Maybe the Bloodstone Emperor was the Nyarlathotep figure it could line up with LML's theory of BSE reborn into Azor Ahai and seems to line up with what Euron is up to right now in the books
I loooove the videos on the Lovecraft references in ASOIAF. It really enhances the understanding of George’s themes and view of the world, at least the one he’s created. I’m not saying you NEED to understand Lovecraft in order to understand the books, but knowing his works is again a great enhancement. Thanks again! These are great theory videos and have definitely inspired my own fantasy series (or two).
Good Video! One of my favourite topics. Definitely a few places mentioned in WOIAF going very deep underground and mentions about people who travel in these tunnels/cave systems going mad. Leng, Lorath, House of the Undying, Bran's cave maybe Winterfell crypts all have potential to serve as entrances of tombs or prisons of some types of old gods, or lead to some R'lyeh type underworld maybe?
Just have to say how much I enjoy your channel. I've of course loved the Dune content. Also you ignited my curiosity for the world of ice and fire. I've started reading George R R Martin. One last thing, you have a wonderful reading vioce. I would enjoy hearing you on an audiobook. I'm sure I'm not the only one. Please continue your great work. Thank you ... Michael 🐝
Sophie M O'Connell while that's interesting, I like to think as LF more as the embodiment of mortal ambition. A man who relies on no Gods or divine power, but is instead driven by his own intellect, cunning and schemes.
Littlefinger, the Crawling Chaos? Well, he is a bit crawling, and he does like chaos. "Chaos... is a ladder... to the Outer Planes, where dwells that blight of nevermost confusion, the daemon-sultan Azathoth."
If these old ones/gods are using people in Westeros, then it stands to reason that they can influence people through suggestion. Littlefinger may not believe or worship any gods, but that doesn't mean they don't have any influence on him.
Here's a question no one has answered yet or I haven't seen...What's the wall of light far to the north? Why does whatever is behind that light causes Bran to forgo the same reactions as people in Lovecraft lore?
A Song of Ice and Fire is absolutely chocked full of shot outs to authors and that George has some level of connection to or is inspired by. Everything from character, city and other place names to House names.
This was awesome 🌟 as usual. I know that the old gods are stirring! I remember that in Volantis at the Red Temple of R'hollor The priest writing a a spell in FIRE, the letters would stay alight! The old woman who Jorah gifts with the gloves tells him 2 bring the Dragon Queen 2 Volantis 2 free the slaves.
It doesn't state one way or the other if the caves have been reopened. However, Leng rose up and separated from Yi Ti 400 years ago (Oh, roughly around the time of the doom). They set up a dynasty of god empresses of Lengii decent and she claims two male concubines. Again, that is not to imply anything was inaccurate. Just makes it a little spookier.
Could the faith of the seven be a reformed version of the stary visdom? It has the seven pointed star as logo, and its gods are all human-ish representatives.
To get you off your obsessive thought with Lovecraft influence in ASOIAF. It is most likely that living beneath the ruins are the Children of the forest. And influencing the rulers in the east just like in our story.
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) We don't know anything. It's all speculation. Children could be down there, a government facility from the past, or balrog from lotr is down there. No one knows. I'm just getting kind of tired of every mystery on this channel being answered: IT'S LOVECRAFT
Yeah I do get what you mean. Even though, this one has a lot more going for it. 'The Church of Starry Wisdom' is pretty much ripped right out of the Cthulhu Mythos.
@Aaron Garcia If you've read any Lovecraft you will know that these are direct references to the Cthulhu mythos. It's not force but is clearly intentionally placed there by G.R.R Martin- who is a self confessed Lovecraft fan. Martin is simply paying tribute to one of his influences as a writer.
This is really interesting. Are Love crafts stories worth the read? As in, do they have a coherent and running story and are they wrote in "old timey" English?
Mikey B They do have a coherent story although they aren't all connected (people connected them together after Lovecraft died) and yes they are written in 1920's style English.
Do you suppose the Andals might be the decedent's of the great empire and after its destruction they fled to westeros? Hence why they showed up seemingly out of nowhere with superior technology fighting for their 7 pointed star, an oad to the former name of their religion.
The last greenseer is a powerful cotf, perhaps the last patriarch, he wargs human greenseers, and has so for thousands of years. In posessing bran he may have found enough raw power to face the nk, but the nk has been trying to save bran and jon from harm, paradox lost, lol
Man I would love if one day Daenerys's in her arrogance as a ruler bravely flew her dragons to confront the cosmic horror, intent on scorching its flesh to ash and rending it into submission.... only to never return, another victim to have been devoured by the crawling everlasting chaos.
This is fascinating, but where and how do you think the more traditional fantasy creatures (Dragons, Others ect) fit into this story of the great Old ones?
I feel that that short segment just offers a real peek into the workings of the minds of Howard and Lovecraft, the two good friends. Their approach to evolution and the ways of nature. It's (surely) integral to the conception of stories like 'The Shadow over Innsmouth'
what's east of east? there is an ending look at me, im a Hollywood writer! except in my show, they never actually sail east, but talk about it a lot. then hint at a prequel as everyone lives on land.
I was going to say the same thing. Watching the frenzy abd the synchronization of their movement is fascinating. I wish sh they’d let us take a sample.
Not gonna lie you have the right voice for this because it's points when it got dark and dramatic scared the crap out of me
If Nyarlathotep walks the world of ice and fire in human form, it's Euron.
him or Petyr Baelish
Daario could be a candidate too
@@ThatKidinAfrica not sure , because if the faceless men are a part of it could be along with the rest of the face less. He is chaotic as fuck we know that he is more than what he says he is and everything that says to dany are actions that leads to chaos. I dont think he is alone but i count him to be a part of the whole consept.
Why not Moqorro? His origins are ambiguous enough to hide the immortal background, and in Lovecraft's works Nyarlathotep often takes on the form of a man whos skin is literally black, like Moqorro's.
@@gergoszabo4914 could be yes but not sure because he's not comes out as chaotic to me.
With all this talk of Nyarlothotep, I wonder why no one has made the connection to Euron as the personification of the Messenger of the Old Ones on earth. He is an agent of chaos, delights in torture and pain, and wants to become a god. He also made a deal with one of the Great Old Ones for power and knowledge. He laughs at the gods of mortals and mocks them, in Aeron's vision he is seen towering above all of them, while they are impaled on spikes, dead and defeated. But he is not himself anymore, but the drowned God/Cthulhu.
Euron is no mere member of the Church of Starry Wisdom. Euron IS Nyarlothotep personified, the agent of the Great Old Ones, harbinger of a time where the Gods of Men will be cast down and the world remade in chaos, in the eternal cycle.
Wow, nicely written. I'm convinced.
All except the Old Gods of the North. Makes you wonder why they were excluded from the other gods impaled on the iron throne. 🤔
Ppp
The artwork in this video, wow!! 😍
I definitely get the impression that the world of ice and fire is in some sort of conflict between multiple supernatural entities. The likely conduits for them are the black oily stones (not sure if its the same/different as obsidian) and the weirwood trees.
The Ironborn have their seastone chair, so they have likely been pawns of the dark god for some time. The preview chapter with Euron Greyjoy suggests that he is a likely candidate as host for otherworldly consciousness.
The Ironborn were also the ones who built Harrenhal, which I believe will one day be home to the army of the dead. I mean, nothing else could possibly fully man it, and it IS said to be cursed. . . .
but yeah, this ties nicely with that.
Supposedly, the oily stones that are randomly all over the place fell from the sky. & obsidian is terrestrial, @ volcanoes.
Between "the faceless god" and "thousand other forms" the obvious association that jumps at you is the Many Faced God...
Well, when you mentioned an emissary of the old ones who moves around tricking people, Quaith was the first that came to mind.
Maybe the Bloodstone Emperor was the Nyarlathotep figure it could line up with LML's theory of BSE reborn into Azor Ahai and seems to line up with what Euron is up to right now in the books
Q, what's good? You were letting the streets starve... Keep that product coming...lol
I loooove the videos on the Lovecraft references in ASOIAF. It really enhances the understanding of George’s themes and view of the world, at least the one he’s created. I’m not saying you NEED to understand Lovecraft in order to understand the books, but knowing his works is again a great enhancement. Thanks again! These are great theory videos and have definitely inspired my own fantasy series (or two).
Good Video! One of my favourite topics.
Definitely a few places mentioned in WOIAF going very deep underground and mentions about people who travel in these tunnels/cave systems going mad. Leng, Lorath, House of the Undying, Bran's cave maybe Winterfell crypts all have potential to serve as entrances of tombs or prisons of some types of old gods, or lead to some R'lyeh type underworld maybe?
Just have to say how much I enjoy your channel. I've of course loved the Dune content. Also you ignited my curiosity for the world of ice and fire. I've started reading George R R Martin.
One last thing, you have a wonderful reading vioce. I would enjoy hearing you on an audiobook. I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Please continue your great work. Thank you ... Michael 🐝
Hasn't Littlefinger been called rhe 'Agent of Chaos' by GRRM? You know who else is called 'Agent of Chaos' don't you?
Nyarlathotep...
Sophie M O'Connell while that's interesting, I like to think as LF more as the embodiment of mortal ambition. A man who relies on no Gods or divine power, but is instead driven by his own intellect, cunning and schemes.
I was going to say the Joker.
Littlefinger, the Crawling Chaos? Well, he is a bit crawling, and he does like chaos.
"Chaos... is a ladder... to the Outer Planes, where dwells that blight of nevermost confusion, the daemon-sultan Azathoth."
Joker is an Agent of Chaoss-AH
If these old ones/gods are using people in Westeros, then it stands to reason that they can influence people through suggestion. Littlefinger may not believe or worship any gods, but that doesn't mean they don't have any influence on him.
I didn’t realize how lovecraftian ASOIAF is before getting into it deeper
Here's a question no one has answered yet or I haven't seen...What's the wall of light far to the north? Why does whatever is behind that light causes Bran to forgo the same reactions as people in Lovecraft lore?
Northern lights, a real natural phenomenon that might be described as a curtain of light by someone who's never seen it.
The lore bahind the Island of Leng closely aligns with The Ruins of Atuan by Ursula K leguin
A Song of Ice and Fire is absolutely chocked full of shot outs to authors and that George has some level of connection to or is inspired by. Everything from character, city and other place names to House names.
This was awesome 🌟 as usual. I know that the old gods are stirring! I remember that in Volantis at the Red Temple of R'hollor The priest writing a a spell in FIRE, the letters would stay alight! The old woman who Jorah gifts with the gloves tells him 2 bring the Dragon Queen 2 Volantis 2 free the slaves.
So I can't but notice that Planetos is littered with fallout shelters. Casterly Rock, Moles Town, this underground city in Ling...
Yeah the amount of underground networks in this story has always been a wee bit suspicious.
Beautiful video as always. If this mysterious creature walks among the people of Westeros, he could be somebody obvious.
Euron "Black (Tentacled) Eye" Greyjoy
It doesn't state one way or the other if the caves have been reopened. However, Leng rose up and separated from Yi Ti 400 years ago (Oh, roughly around the time of the doom). They set up a dynasty of god empresses of Lengii decent and she claims two male concubines.
Again, that is not to imply anything was inaccurate. Just makes it a little spookier.
maybe Pate the pig boy that Sam meets in "a feast of crows" could be Nyarlathotep or one of his pawns so to sow madness in Marwen the magi
Awesome as always dude. How about this: Nyarlothotep= Littlefinger maybe
Another top notch video.
After ASOIAF is finished, they should an animated TV series about
I absolutely love that atmosphere of despair!
Could the faith of the seven be a reformed version of the stary visdom? It has the seven pointed star as logo, and its gods are all human-ish representatives.
To get you off your obsessive thought with Lovecraft influence in ASOIAF. It is most likely that living beneath the ruins are the Children of the forest. And influencing the rulers in the east just like in our story.
because the influence is obvious. Do we even know if the CotF exist outside of Westeros?
Seems a bit forced on this channel. Not everything has to do with lovecraft, you know?
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) We don't know anything. It's all speculation. Children could be down there, a government facility from the past, or balrog from lotr is down there. No one knows. I'm just getting kind of tired of every mystery on this channel being answered: IT'S LOVECRAFT
Yeah I do get what you mean. Even though, this one has a lot more going for it. 'The Church of Starry Wisdom' is pretty much ripped right out of the Cthulhu Mythos.
@Aaron Garcia
If you've read any Lovecraft you will know that these are direct references to the Cthulhu mythos. It's not force but is clearly intentionally placed there by G.R.R Martin- who is a self confessed Lovecraft fan. Martin is simply paying tribute to one of his influences as a writer.
How many eyes does Blood Raven have?
A thousand....and one
your voice is so fucking epic
The church of the starry wisdom is also one of lml patreons
Thanks for the new video! Keep up the great work 👍🏻
So does this make the Many Faced God Nyarlathotep?
Sorry, I wrote this before the video finished
Or it is just a nod for Lovecraft, i think George said samoething like that in some interview etc. Good video anyway.
maybe he is "no one"
since one of his names is "the faceless god" and he has thousends of other forms
,1st, always like watching your videos, not seen one be click bait yet
Thumbs up for a video that's not a live stream.
I feel like this take, this truth about the story, is as fundamental as the British history that many of the political movements are based on.
How so?
I'm upset I'm almost through your new ASOIAF theories playlist 😭
Great job!
This is really interesting. Are Love crafts stories worth the read? As in, do they have a coherent and running story and are they wrote in "old timey" English?
Mikey B They do have a coherent story although they aren't all connected (people connected them together after Lovecraft died) and yes they are written in 1920's style English.
Just read them. You'll soon find his writing style is not comparable to 'old timey' english, or anything.
Do you suppose the Andals might be the decedent's of the great empire and after its destruction they fled to westeros? Hence why they showed up seemingly out of nowhere with superior technology fighting for their 7 pointed star, an oad to the former name of their religion.
The last greenseer is a powerful cotf, perhaps the last patriarch, he wargs human greenseers, and has so for thousands of years. In posessing bran he may have found enough raw power to face the nk, but the nk has been trying to save bran and jon from harm, paradox lost, lol
Man I would love if one day Daenerys's in her arrogance as a ruler bravely flew her dragons to confront the cosmic horror, intent on scorching its flesh to ash and rending it into submission.... only to never return, another victim to have been devoured by the crawling everlasting chaos.
Is the messenger Euron Greyjoy?
What if Littlefinger is Nyarlatothep?
Nyarlathotep may be Bloodraven, Varys or both.
Gabriel Arias not Brynden. As we know his origins.
Why do the old ones remind me of the Undying?
IT'S EURON "CROW'S EYE" GREYJOY!
The labyrinths were made by the dwemer
Lol I was thinking about that too! Been playing Skyrim lately
Parallel to the many faced god perhaps
Very nice, sweetie!
Petyr Baelish is Nyarlathotep?
I thought the same thing, would be cool if PB is simply a vessel for the great Old One!
Nice
Littlefinger = Nyarlathotep
This is fascinating, but where and how do you think the more traditional fantasy creatures (Dragons, Others ect) fit into this story of the great Old ones?
Have you read any Lovecraft? Also, read Conan 'The Queen of the Black Coast' specifically Chapter 3, 'The Horror In The Jungle'.
I feel that that short segment just offers a real peek into the workings of the minds of Howard and Lovecraft, the two good friends. Their approach to evolution and the ways of nature. It's (surely) integral to the conception of stories like 'The Shadow over Innsmouth'
This means earth and planetos may be in the same galaxy
Quinn is da bess
what's east of east? there is an ending look at me, im a Hollywood writer! except in my show, they never actually sail east, but talk about it a lot. then hint at a prequel as everyone lives on land.
Sounds like the faith of the seven 🤔
I guess Syrio is right...only one God
Do the show spoil the book for you?
Nice series
Kevin MacLeod: Archangel Gabriel.... anytime now.....or DB anytime now .....
I dont think these things will affect the main story in any way
its "Nee-Yarlot--Hotep'
This is who aria is running from in the season 8 trailer, the “many faced god”
It’s Jagen Hagar... 0_0 As sexy as he is... teehee
It can only be Euron
Nayarlatothep might be the great other
Whose here because of Topbog Spoff?
For some reason it reminds me of native Americans
Varys!!! Lol
The worship of the black stone that fell from the sky sounds like Islam. They have the black stone
I was going to say the same thing. Watching the frenzy abd the synchronization of their movement is fascinating. I wish sh they’d let us take a sample.
Cthulhu ftaghn
JK muni
First
They just sound like the children of the forest
Hello...
Lovecraft again....