Thanks for the shout out buddy! Yeah I think Remedy is working behind the scenes to get the rights for this. Probably after the Max Payne remakes and Alan Wake 2. I'm just nervous what they are going to do for Door... I mean Hatch's character. RIP Lance Reddick.
2:22:45 i can't find any other comments explaining so even though it's been 7ish months, here i go: each individual time machine's limit is the date of it's first activation so that means that while paul's machine can only go back to the 1st chapter of the game, WILL'S can go all the way back to 1999. however, as you mentioned earlier, you can't travel through space with these machines so even though one of them was active in '99, that doesn't mean paul's machine can connect and utilize will's; he can't enter his own and exit will's. the cores are NOT the same.
When you really think about it, the lore dump boys are like the batfamily, always there when you need them the most even if you didn't know you needed them
@@LoreDump Okay but now you’ve gotta tag yourselves as the member of the batfam you’re most like. I expect your answers in the form of a single-spaced, four page essay lmao (I’m joking please god don’t actually write an essay y’all are already so busy oml)
I super expected that at the end, when there's the flash back to Jack whispering in Beth's ear, either Chase or Neil were going to break in to say that Jack whispers, *_"Nissan."_*
Three things: 1) You would not believe how much effort it took me not to make endless Doctor Who jokes about The End of Time. 2) "Are those pigeons? I hear a coup on the horizon" had me in actual stitches for at least 5 minutes, thanks for that Neil. 3) Be fair, guys: the sets for Primeval were better than that shit, and that absolutely says something.
Small correction to your definition of the butterfly effect; The theory is actually something along the lines of: the smallest event like a butterfly’s wings moving could kick up a tornado or storm somewhere else
20:00 ish. Jack is there because the university shut down the project. No one would help him with this test since it was determined to be unsafe. So Paul grabbed someone who had no clue what was going on to assist.
The best gift the TH-cam Algorithim gave me was pointing me to Monty's Bioshock reviews which lead me to Lore Dump. I'm a major introvert, so it's nice to get the simulated experience of sitting around a table with friends, drinking adult juices and getting passionate about nerd stuff.
@2:21:35 also another explanation could be that Paul arrived at the time machine but didn't go outside and see where he was in relation to the city. He appeared in a large dark room and he immediately tried to use the time machine, but he was chased into the machine and time jumped away. So even If his memories were clear, the only thing he can remember about that moment is that he was in a huge room. If he was observant enough, he might have worked out what kind of room it was, but that's another explanation anyway.
Paul found Will's time machine in a cave in the future, where Beth had exited it, and he repaired it after Beth had been trying to for "a long time". He ended up in the future via the University time machine, which had it's core moved to Monarch in the last act of the game into a Time Machine that they had built, which is how Jack travelled back to the University from Monarch. The end of time will happen in 2021, and Will's time machine will be moved from the Swimming pool at some point in those 5 years.
Bernard's Watch and Primeval references in a single episode? Incredible The Nissan rambling and the "Podca" joke had me on the floor, hilarious as always gents
27:40 Dude! I'm from a tiny, rural town in a small country in South America. You don't have to explain what "Bernard's Watch" (Bernardo y su Reloj) is to me. We had that show here ☺ It was one of my favorite things when I was a kid in the late '90s.
the idea that Alan may have tried to make himself fictional in some of his “Return” attempts but can’t make himself fiction to the people in his universe and thus they manifest in other universes could explain his cameos here. He’s on TV, In video games, and maybe in literature based on the teachings in the class room all in a universe that isn’t his.
Quick note, as far as my looking into shows Remedy was never owned by Microsoft and was always technically independent as a company, they did however sign an exclusivity deal with Microsoft for Alan wake and partnered yet again with them to produce QB while Microsoft published it in hopes of securing funding for future products. MS did own the rights to AW but remedy purchased them back in 2019. The funding for AW2 and the remaster are from a publishing deal which still allows them creative control and development through Epic Games which is why the remaster they were able to release on all platforms.
I remember Bernard's watch. Two specific episodes. One, where someone steals the watch and starts using it for evil, which was honestly kin'a terrifying when he stops time to put Bernard in a life threatening situation as a threat. Just one moment, having a conversation, next moment, Bernard's about to sawed in half. And the villain's saying how he can do this at Any Time, to him, to his family... And the other was the Last episode, where Bernard is about to move to America, and he's told by the guy who gave him the watch that he has to give it up. And the whole episode is about him dealing with losing it. And it ends with him on a plane, and then time stops, and another guy in the same uniform as the guy who gave him the watch walks up to him and hands him a Digital watch, because... America is more technologically advanced than England? Or something? It was dumb.
Thanks for getting me obsessed with Alan Wake this week guys. Not gonna watch this yet since Quantum Break (and then Control) is next on my list to play but I'll be back as soon as I'm done. Bright Falls really makes me hope we get that Alan Wake TV show someday. EDIT: I got to the first "episode" of Quantum Break which buffered every 4 seconds and realised I'd rather just watch a summary at that point. I fucking lost my mind when Neil mentioned Primeval because it was exactly what I was thinking.
"But will the really good stuff be really good if none of it makes sense?" Chase you're a Kingdom Hearts fan, you don't have a leg to stand on 🤣 Wonderful dump guys! So excited for the one on Control!!!
I never played Alan Wake or Quantum Break, but stumbled upon Control, and it quickly became one of my favorite games. I really appreciate your episodes on Alan Wake and Quantum Break to help me better understand the underlying lore, and I can't wait for you guys to cover Control! Been loving your channel and Monty's critiques. Please keep at it!
It never fails. I avoid the lore dump episode because I see 3 hours of content... But then I start watching and become obsessed with the episode until I'm finished. I never cared for any Remedy games but I feel so invested now lmao Thanks Guys!
I have to point out the errors here with where the time machine was 😂 Paul enter the future (the end of time) from his time machine. He later finds Wills machine and leave to the earliest date possible, which is 1999 (for Wills machine, since that is the first time it was activated). When he enters the machine in the future, we don't know if it's located at the swimming pool at that time. It could have been moved since, 2016 (the end of time occurs in 2021). But since his memories from the future is fading it doesn't really matter. When he leaves the machine and enters in 1999, the machine is located in Wills workshop at ground zero. But Will and Beth later move the machine to the swimming pool, so Paul can't find it. The game States that this cost them 12000 $ 😅 So that 's why Paul couldn' t find the machine.
I really enjoyed this. The ideas about time travel are always fun to listen to. I think that the choices made by the player is time and universally consistent in game no matter what. There are no changes to the timeline and whatever the player picked is what has and always will happen. I think about the different outcomes more like alt. universes than timelines in order to maintain the closed loop idea, kind of like in the HP franchise with the time turners. But as always I loved your stuff!
This is so weird, listening to this. I used to work with a guy called Jack Joyce, and I still keep in touch with him to this day. Hearing that name is throwing me for a loop.
Nice to see yall back!! I love listening to this one on my drive. Thanks for the content. Also, the blue controller looks like it has the worst little mustache. I appreciate it.
The answer to Paul not knowing the machine is in the swimming hall is that the machine was originally in Will's workshop and moved to the swimming hall only after Paul and Beth arrived in the past. It was Beth who told Will to move it there.
So actually remedy didn't buy back Alan Wake what happened was that when alan wake was made part of the contract was that if remedy left Microsoft and Microsoft didn't do anything with alan wake in a certain number of years it goes back to remedy
1:19:33 what if Paul doesn’t think you can change the future because if you kill the protesters or not, jack still ends up in the same places doing the same things so maybe you can only change certain things
Awesome. Been waiting on this. Been a pleasure enjoying the personalities of you 3. Got hooked on the KH vids and the hilarious commentary. Unnecessary fan request: How about the Persona games, for just the reactionary commentary alone.
Monty you need to shout out your podcast at the end of your main videos as I didn’t know you had one & I’ve been binging them & they are just awesome, what an awesome idea for a podcast, keep up the hard work ❤ much love as always from Iowa
I'm watching through these remedyverse videos on the request of a friend, mostly so I can strongarm him into watching the KH videos in turn. Maybe it's because I'm a massive JRPG nut like Chase, but so far the KH videos are far more comprehensible to me.
I''m most disappointed that there's a boat scene in the game - according to Monty one of the standout moments - and yet that WASN'T the lifeboat so gloriously built and anticlimaxed further down the line.
I love that I started listening to muse like a couple days before the American nightmare video and was like wow I actually really enjoy this only for one of my favourite TH-camrs to diss it out of nowhere completely unrelated to anything else
1:14:31 Quantum Break feels like instead of a game with some live action scenes Microsoft made a show then told Remedy to tack on a game as an afterthought.
I think the only things I would add on is some more open mysteries. Like the identity of Artemis whom Paul mentioned multiple times on the white board timeline. How ridiculous Nick is as a conspiracy theorist and 01122 code which weirdly enough is mentioned by Dr. Morphin and Dr. Ranger in the Quantum Ripple research lab. Blanch McDougal who also shows up in those research reports being a pseudonym that Nick used. It's weird how Alan Wake is involved here. Both the books and video game exist. Jack even has a line saying he enjoys Wake as a writer upon finding a copy of The Sudden Stop in a medical facility. We know Alice took over the IP for her 'missing' husband while Barry continued to handle the publishing. Who knows.
As someone who didn't play Quantum Break, would appreciate it if you could make a video on the significance of the code you mentioned, if it's video-material. And also I'd love to hear your opinion on timestap 2:21:10
Ahh wonderful, a new lore dump!!! I'm currently recovering from surgery on a broken leg, and I think my lifeline in the coming days will be long form vids like this!
Why do I have an overwhelming desire to purchase a Nissan? Lmao Excellent episode! I had a good giggle on this one. Can't wait for the next one! Thank you gents, for the awesome entertainment!
Always good to hear people talking about Beth. I love her Also, glad to see you didn't completely ignore Time knife, the greatest piece of writing Remedy has ever put in their games Can't wait for the Control video, and see how boys react to Darling and Ahti. Kippis
Just a note on the Steins;Gate mention: The visual novel actually goes into great depth regarding how the time travel works, though the anime obviously abridged a lot of this technical content. It's heavily utilizing actual scientific theory and what may come across as technobabble in the anime is actually based on sound theories around quantum physics and the like. It's basically as close to real science as it gets, while still being fiction and telling a particular story within this framework. Okabe's "Reading Steiner" is also based around observation (think: Schrödinger's Cat) rather than simply a time travel ability. But most importantly: the story ain't random with its looping/reset points, and it's elaborated on in the source material. Similar can be said for the other SciAdv titles (Chaos;Head, Chaos;Child, Steins;Gate 0 and Robotics;Notes) - they're obviously fiction, but they ooze familiarity with the science behind it. Also, the English Dub is absolutely NOT better than the original Japanese one. The mere fact that Miyano Mamoru, Imai Asami and Hanazawa Kana are voicing main characters is enough on that account.
I think the idea for the choices you can make for the villain are, he can see the future of the consequences of his choices. After he makes the choice, time is set in stone. Everything that that happend, did happen or will happen. Weather or not people actually KNOW what happend is the real question.
The time machine in 1999 is not at the swimming pool, it's at the "ground zero" workshop. Beth helps get it moved to the swimming pool after she arrives in 1999.
“How would you feel if you knew a corporate monopoly was taking a massive dump all over your personal history.” I think Sam might have had some thoughts about his deal with Microsoft.
Quantum break seemed like a good idea on paper but had “too many cooks in the kitchen” that muddled its execution. And as soon as you try to introduce time travel that opens up an entire can of worms on its own. It had a lot of things going for it, an all star cast, innovative concepts, gorgeous graphics. I’ve even had friends say it was an interesting experience and they enjoyed it. But every time someone talks about it, from Monty’s critiques, friend reviews, and now lore dumps, it seems like it just missed the mark of its potential. I could see how in the remedy verse this could be a jumping point for maybe a multiverse that bleeds all the remedy verse together, or perhaps as suggested here, Alan attempting to find a way out via time travel, to see if that concept could work in his universe. I think remedy has an interesting opportunity here either way with all of their games and now with Alan Wake 2 on the way to create an Avengers Level team up/cross over for the Video Game Medium of media the likes of which, to my knowledge, hasn’t been attempted yet. A game that contains Jesse, Alan, Jack, and Max all attempting to route this multiverses darkness blending together all aspects of the respective games in an episodic adventure seems like it has limitless potential. Regardless Sam Lake is a madman with an artistic vision and I hope he can bring it to fruition. Great episode as always boys. I can’t wait for the next one. May 1st seems so far away now lol. Thankfully I can spend my time waiting in todays sponsor, the all new 2024 Nissan Sentra.
I love this podcast, thank you so much to you guys for it, and especially for this episode because as a PlayStation Remedy fan I can't play Quantum Break so I really appreciate this. I did know all about the Alan Wake references tho (besides the Sudden Stop admittedly), and I believe the connection is not very complicated. I think Alan Wake is simply a game inside of Quantum Break's universe, and while things like Night Springs or the Sudden Stop lean more towards easter egg territory they can still be explained to make sense in universe. It could be possible that the whole thing was a Return attempt, but it'd be way too complicated and wouldn't fit much with Alan's style. I highly recommend Hidden Machine's videos on this topic. A couple things that you missed that I think could add to the discussion for when you cover the Control AWE dlc and if you guys cover the Alan Wake II trailer: The AWE graffiti and the AWE in the blackboard ("Alan Wake Experience?"), the remark of the initiation phase in the hero's journey that's also in the black board (which relates to this House of Dreams and the AWII trailer) and the name of Alex Casey 's partner: Saga Anderson (likely related to the Old Gods). A very fun listen, again thank you for this and I can't wait for the Control episode (and Mr. Door... RIP Lance Reddick), which is going to be a huge undertaking for Monty, so I wish you the best!
i absolutely adore my lore dump boys. i’m going to spend as long as i can listening on my work shift. i’m so glad Neil’s ad reads got left in. i was in the need of a new car and for some reason i think i know the brand i should get.
When I tell you I *squealed* when I saw this notification- Love y’all, hope you’re having a fantastic day, and many thank yous for this wonderful content that brings such joy :D
Love the Lore Dump very much. It is extremely fun to listen to, and a good way to learn the story from these games! p.s. We love Monty accents here okay after your retelling of ' time is the egg' scene, I checked out the actual cutscene and yeah, Jack is definitely a 'well-meaning total DUMBass'. But also, this feels like a key lesson here, because CONTROL could have easily stepped into the same plotholes and completely unnessesary (or, at least optional) exposition. Jack is a little bit of an idiot, he has a steep learning curve of these extraordinary events happening all around him, and this doesn`t make him more relatable to the player, on the contrary, his exclamations and shock are more of a nuisance. Remedy learned this during work of Quantum Break, and this is exactly why Jesse is complete opposite - she`s a total natural in this alien office buareucracy, and a much better protagonist because of it. Jack is just...not at all phased that he had just killed a man huh? Time travel - yeah that is WEIRD, Oh No, What is happening to me???? but shooting a person down? Nah, it`s fine it`s time travel, nothing is true, everything is permitted, yada yada. Huge kudos to Monty for keeping the Lore Dump insteractive as is the story of the game!!! 10/10 preparation, awesome. Rock-paper-scissors had me equally laughing and being horrified the tonal shifts in here are making hysterically loose it. 'I had to kill some people at work' - 'I dreamed you were a cat', the hell, this is like a bad movie that is so bad it is actually good. Time and space are intertwined, so displacing some shipping containers seems alright to me. The Wine and Cheese Crowd segment has the BEST Monty reading voice. Those Nissan adds are better than actual advertisement. I need a spacious car to cry freely in my life with antiscratch paint. Jack is truly too dumb to have character development. Repsect to all the actors though, they really did the best they could with the script and dialogue they were given. It`s kind of sad Quantum Break is this messy, it could have been better for sure, but it still sounds very intruiging and like an okay-ish Remedy game. I still feel like they learned hard, painfully and a lot throught the development of Quantum, and applied all that experience to CONTROL, because CONTROL is a great game and avoided a lot of the missteps Quantum has. Great Lore Dump as always)
I know I'm a bit late to this, but Paul ended up in the future via his own time machine core which ended up in the Monarch time machine in the last act of the game. When Will built the original time machine, it wasn't at the swimming pool, but his workshop in Ground Zero. Paul found a time machine with Will's core in it in a cave while being chased by Beth in the future, and they travelled back to 1999 to when Will first turned it on. Paul fled after attacking Will, while Beth stayed to tell Will about the end of time, and told him to move the Time Machine because Paul will come looking. Will moved it to the Pool after that and never went back there, allowing Beth to settle there and await Jack's return. We know that the End of time is 2021 because Paul meant to go 5 minutes into the future, but the machine malfunctioned and blasted Jack and Paul, and sent him 5 years instead. With time frozen he would obviously pick up on the date by finding newspapers on sale etc while scavenging, same as Beth. In the 5 years following the events of the game and with Jack now working for Monarch, either Will or Jack would end up moving his time machine core to the cave where Paul would find it and where Beth would emerge, and from the looks of what we see of the machine in the future during their fight once he finds the machine, it's the same design as the university one. Given how open Microsoft have been with their previously exclusive IPs going cross platform now with Sea of Thieves, Grounded and Hi-Fi Rush as well as Bethesda and Activision-Blizzard games continuing to be on other platforms, it's very likely that Remedy have been allowed to use the IP outright rather than buying it, especially after the success of Alan Wake 2 and just how heavily of an advertising push it got on Xbox even though it was an Epic published game. if not, perhaps Epic has made the deal with them for it, especially with the rumours of Xbox opening up to allowing Steam to be accessible on console. Only time will tell, though it's a similar IP issue to Sunset Overdrive, which Sony now have the rights to after buying Insomniac. Sony cannot produce a remaster of the 1st game for Playstation because Microsoft own the rights to that game. But making a sequel would make no sense to those that didn't play the first game, so Insomniac are stuck making Ratchet & Clank and Spider-Man for the foreseeable future
I got recommended this via Alan wake, listened to all of kingdom hearts episodes after those few episodes, and am now a fan for life! Can’t wait to hear you to cover Control and looking forward to Alan Wake 2!
So here's my thoughts, I like the idea that Quantum Break is a failed attempt at Alan Wake trying to write himself out of the lake. More specifically that he failed to write a hero who could save him, because Jack is so fucking lame and Jesse is so goddamn cool and her coming to his rescue is much much more interesting, then if it was "guy with time powers for some reason". It reminds of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Part 6, the Bohemian Rhapsody fight. The enemy has the power to make fictional character all over the world come alive and they defeat it by making up a new character that has the power to put them all back in their place. Jesse feels like that, someone who you can believe has the capacity to get someone out of an unfathomably powerful supernatural lake. And the reason I love it so much is because this conforms to the rules of the lake, like imagine if Jack "beige" Joyce were to come to the rescue of writer Alan Wake. Why would he do that? How would he do that? I can't imagine a good answer for these questions, but if it's Jesse? I can see it.
@3:28:44 And this is a another example of how the TV show screwed the pooch. Just like when they let Courtney Hope wear earrings on set in that one scene, some production designer put an Alan Wake novel on the set!! Then when Sam Lake saw what they had done, he had to not only tell the Remedy design team to all those Alan Wake Easter eggs to the game, but he had to come up with the RCU just to explain it!! :P Hah.
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Control? Really looking forward to seeing it all come together
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I *cannot* wait that long!
Sounds like an Ordinary episode..
So if I'm understanding this game right, time is not a lake...
It's an *egg*
My eggs
My eggs
He begs he begs
To be the father of my eggs
Thanks for the shout out buddy!
Yeah I think Remedy is working behind the scenes to get the rights for this. Probably after the Max Payne remakes and Alan Wake 2. I'm just nervous what they are going to do for Door... I mean Hatch's character. RIP Lance Reddick.
The explanation when characters know things that they shouldn't: Time is an egg and the egg is broken. Now the yolk is just leaking into everything.
2:22:45 i can't find any other comments explaining so even though it's been 7ish months, here i go: each individual time machine's limit is the date of it's first activation so that means that while paul's machine can only go back to the 1st chapter of the game, WILL'S can go all the way back to 1999. however, as you mentioned earlier, you can't travel through space with these machines so even though one of them was active in '99, that doesn't mean paul's machine can connect and utilize will's; he can't enter his own and exit will's. the cores are NOT the same.
If Monty and Neil allow Chase to unleash the insanity of Yakuza for lore dump I will Tiger Drop the like button a million times
As of now that would easily be my second favorite lore dump
Saaaaaame PLEASE BOYS
did you end up tiger dropping the like button a million times?
And now we wait for yakuza 3
When you really think about it, the lore dump boys are like the batfamily, always there when you need them the most even if you didn't know you needed them
I’m taking this comparison and running with it I love it so much
Well damn! Thank you!- Neil
@@LoreDump Okay but now you’ve gotta tag yourselves as the member of the batfam you’re most like. I expect your answers in the form of a single-spaced, four page essay lmao
(I’m joking please god don’t actually write an essay y’all are already so busy oml)
So who's getting killed with a crowbar?
I totally agree
I super expected that at the end, when there's the flash back to Jack whispering in Beth's ear, either Chase or Neil were going to break in to say that Jack whispers, *_"Nissan."_*
Three things:
1) You would not believe how much effort it took me not to make endless Doctor Who jokes about The End of Time.
2) "Are those pigeons? I hear a coup on the horizon" had me in actual stitches for at least 5 minutes, thanks for that Neil.
3) Be fair, guys: the sets for Primeval were better than that shit, and that absolutely says something.
Small correction to your definition of the butterfly effect;
The theory is actually something along the lines of: the smallest event like a butterfly’s wings moving could kick up a tornado or storm somewhere else
20:00 ish. Jack is there because the university shut down the project. No one would help him with this test since it was determined to be unsafe. So Paul grabbed someone who had no clue what was going on to assist.
The best gift the TH-cam Algorithim gave me was pointing me to Monty's Bioshock reviews which lead me to Lore Dump. I'm a major introvert, so it's nice to get the simulated experience of sitting around a table with friends, drinking adult juices and getting passionate about nerd stuff.
@2:21:35 also another explanation could be that Paul arrived at the time machine but didn't go outside and see where he was in relation to the city. He appeared in a large dark room and he immediately tried to use the time machine, but he was chased into the machine and time jumped away. So even If his memories were clear, the only thing he can remember about that moment is that he was in a huge room. If he was observant enough, he might have worked out what kind of room it was, but that's another explanation anyway.
Paul found Will's time machine in a cave in the future, where Beth had exited it, and he repaired it after Beth had been trying to for "a long time". He ended up in the future via the University time machine, which had it's core moved to Monarch in the last act of the game into a Time Machine that they had built, which is how Jack travelled back to the University from Monarch. The end of time will happen in 2021, and Will's time machine will be moved from the Swimming pool at some point in those 5 years.
I love the fact that Chase and Neil decided the fate of poor children with Rock Paper Scissors. 😂
Poor children? They need to be alive for monetary value to be attached.
Bernard's Watch and Primeval references in a single episode? Incredible
The Nissan rambling and the "Podca" joke had me on the floor, hilarious as always gents
27:40 Dude! I'm from a tiny, rural town in a small country in South America. You don't have to explain what "Bernard's Watch" (Bernardo y su Reloj) is to me.
We had that show here ☺
It was one of my favorite things when I was a kid in the late '90s.
My life was in need of another Lore Dump. Thank you all, I will try to make free time to listen to this.
Hearing how they engage with/analyse the time travel in the story makes me really interested to see how they receive Bioshock Infinite
the idea that Alan may have tried to make himself fictional in some of his “Return” attempts but can’t make himself fiction to the people in his universe and thus they manifest in other universes could explain his cameos here. He’s on TV, In video games, and maybe in literature based on the teachings in the class room all in a universe that isn’t his.
Guys this is like my favorite of your videos, you're all hysterical in this! So glad Nissan turned out their pockets so we could have this episode
Quick note, as far as my looking into shows Remedy was never owned by Microsoft and was always technically independent as a company, they did however sign an exclusivity deal with Microsoft for Alan wake and partnered yet again with them to produce QB while Microsoft published it in hopes of securing funding for future products. MS did own the rights to AW but remedy purchased them back in 2019. The funding for AW2 and the remaster are from a publishing deal which still allows them creative control and development through Epic Games which is why the remaster they were able to release on all platforms.
My comment ages very poorly after watching to the end lol
I remember Bernard's watch. Two specific episodes.
One, where someone steals the watch and starts using it for evil, which was honestly kin'a terrifying when he stops time to put Bernard in a life threatening situation as a threat. Just one moment, having a conversation, next moment, Bernard's about to sawed in half. And the villain's saying how he can do this at Any Time, to him, to his family...
And the other was the Last episode, where Bernard is about to move to America, and he's told by the guy who gave him the watch that he has to give it up. And the whole episode is about him dealing with losing it. And it ends with him on a plane, and then time stops, and another guy in the same uniform as the guy who gave him the watch walks up to him and hands him a Digital watch, because... America is more technologically advanced than England? Or something? It was dumb.
12:53 when you realise Dylan’s the one driving the car 🤭
Thanks for getting me obsessed with Alan Wake this week guys. Not gonna watch this yet since Quantum Break (and then Control) is next on my list to play but I'll be back as soon as I'm done.
Bright Falls really makes me hope we get that Alan Wake TV show someday.
EDIT: I got to the first "episode" of Quantum Break which buffered every 4 seconds and realised I'd rather just watch a summary at that point.
I fucking lost my mind when Neil mentioned Primeval because it was exactly what I was thinking.
My heart fills with a joy not felt in a long time whenever I see y’all upload. Thank you
"But will the really good stuff be really good if none of it makes sense?" Chase you're a Kingdom Hearts fan, you don't have a leg to stand on 🤣
Wonderful dump guys! So excited for the one on Control!!!
I never played Alan Wake or Quantum Break, but stumbled upon Control, and it quickly became one of my favorite games. I really appreciate your episodes on Alan Wake and Quantum Break to help me better understand the underlying lore, and I can't wait for you guys to cover Control! Been loving your channel and Monty's critiques. Please keep at it!
It never fails. I avoid the lore dump episode because I see 3 hours of content... But then I start watching and become obsessed with the episode until I'm finished. I never cared for any Remedy games but I feel so invested now lmao Thanks Guys!
I absolutely loved this. interaction is fantastic and honestly laughed out loud, i rate this episode "nissan car's" out of 10
I have to point out the errors here with where the time machine was 😂
Paul enter the future (the end of time) from his time machine. He later finds Wills machine and leave to the earliest date possible, which is 1999 (for Wills machine, since that is the first time it was activated).
When he enters the machine in the future, we don't know if it's located at the swimming pool at that time. It could have been moved since, 2016 (the end of time occurs in 2021). But since his memories from the future is fading it doesn't really matter. When he leaves the machine and enters in 1999, the machine is located in Wills workshop at ground zero. But Will and Beth later move the machine to the swimming pool, so Paul can't find it. The game States that this cost them 12000 $ 😅 So that 's why Paul couldn' t find the machine.
3 and a half hours of Lore Dump? You truly spoil us Monty, what a blessed day!
This lore dump is infinitely more entertaining than the entirety of quantum break.
Great job lads.
I really enjoyed this. The ideas about time travel are always fun to listen to. I think that the choices made by the player is time and universally consistent in game no matter what. There are no changes to the timeline and whatever the player picked is what has and always will happen. I think about the different outcomes more like alt. universes than timelines in order to maintain the closed loop idea, kind of like in the HP franchise with the time turners. But as always I loved your stuff!
Thank you for doing these. I really loved Monty's review for this game and I am now excited for the Lore Dump.
This is so weird, listening to this. I used to work with a guy called Jack Joyce, and I still keep in touch with him to this day. Hearing that name is throwing me for a loop.
The Nissan bit around 2:44:00 finally made me figure it out
Neil-Sarcastic Chaos
Monty-I’m so done with this Chaos
Chase-American/Pure Chaos
You know, words can never quite describe the feeling of a new Lore Dump in my inbox.
time travel? *grabs popcorn*
this gon be goooood
When Chase was asking about why they needed Will’s time machine - didn’t Paul’s explode at the start of the game?
Nice to see yall back!! I love listening to this one on my drive. Thanks for the content. Also, the blue controller looks like it has the worst little mustache. I appreciate it.
The answer to Paul not knowing the machine is in the swimming hall is that the machine was originally in Will's workshop and moved to the swimming hall only after Paul and Beth arrived in the past. It was Beth who told Will to move it there.
So actually remedy didn't buy back Alan Wake what happened was that when alan wake was made part of the contract was that if remedy left Microsoft and Microsoft didn't do anything with alan wake in a certain number of years it goes back to remedy
Finally caught up on this cannot wait to get into the Control episode thanks for this episode and glad to hear a shout out for gaming university.
1:19:33 what if Paul doesn’t think you can change the future because if you kill the protesters or not, jack still ends up in the same places doing the same things so maybe you can only change certain things
Awesome. Been waiting on this. Been a pleasure enjoying the personalities of you 3. Got hooked on the KH vids and the hilarious commentary.
Unnecessary fan request: How about the Persona games, for just the reactionary commentary alone.
Just woke up and now I get to listen to new Lore Dump! Thank you for making this :)
Monty you need to shout out your podcast at the end of your main videos as I didn’t know you had one & I’ve been binging them & they are just awesome, what an awesome idea for a podcast, keep up the hard work ❤ much love as always from Iowa
After listening to the two Alan Wake episodes I went and played it. What an incredible game, best game I've played in 2023 so far
I'm watching through these remedyverse videos on the request of a friend, mostly so I can strongarm him into watching the KH videos in turn. Maybe it's because I'm a massive JRPG nut like Chase, but so far the KH videos are far more comprehensible to me.
Absolutely was not expecting a Bernard's Watch reference, but I am delighted to be reminded of it
I''m most disappointed that there's a boat scene in the game - according to Monty one of the standout moments - and yet that WASN'T the lifeboat so gloriously built and anticlimaxed further down the line.
Catching up on these but I can't help but think, "Yeah, the time knife. We've seen it," from The Good Place.
I love that I started listening to muse like a couple days before the American nightmare video and was like wow I actually really enjoy this only for one of my favourite TH-camrs to diss it out of nowhere completely unrelated to anything else
1:14:31 Quantum Break feels like instead of a game with some live action scenes Microsoft made a show then told Remedy to tack on a game as an afterthought.
I never knew how badly i needed this channel in my life
I got COVID and watched the entire Kingdom Hearts series... It made it make more sense
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Keep up the great work, guys. These are a lot of fun to have on in the background of work.
I still think the mix of TV and video game idea is neat
Hey lets go! Glad to sit in for some more lore exposition with the lads.
I think the only things I would add on is some more open mysteries. Like the identity of Artemis whom Paul mentioned multiple times on the white board timeline. How ridiculous Nick is as a conspiracy theorist and 01122 code which weirdly enough is mentioned by Dr. Morphin and Dr. Ranger in the Quantum Ripple research lab. Blanch McDougal who also shows up in those research reports being a pseudonym that Nick used.
It's weird how Alan Wake is involved here. Both the books and video game exist. Jack even has a line saying he enjoys Wake as a writer upon finding a copy of The Sudden Stop in a medical facility. We know Alice took over the IP for her 'missing' husband while Barry continued to handle the publishing. Who knows.
As someone who didn't play Quantum Break, would appreciate it if you could make a video on the significance of the code you mentioned, if it's video-material. And also I'd love to hear your opinion on timestap 2:21:10
The immediate "so it's Prince of Persia?" reaction to the Time Knife thing got me 😂
Ahh wonderful, a new lore dump!!! I'm currently recovering from surgery on a broken leg, and I think my lifeline in the coming days will be long form vids like this!
The Alan Wake lore dump convinced me to play it…just finished episode 3. SOOOO good so far!
Why do I have an overwhelming desire to purchase a Nissan? Lmao Excellent episode! I had a good giggle on this one. Can't wait for the next one! Thank you gents, for the awesome entertainment!
Been buzzing for this one lads - will have a proper watch later, but thank you!
Really good episode. Hope the boys get Nissans.
I just finished listening to the Alan Wake DLC one over the weekend. Great timing!
This video came in at the perfect time! You guys rock!!
Always good to hear people talking about Beth. I love her
Also, glad to see you didn't completely ignore Time knife, the greatest piece of writing Remedy has ever put in their games
Can't wait for the Control video, and see how boys react to Darling and Ahti. Kippis
Rock paper scissors is definitely the only way to decide these things
These guys are gonna have a field day after Alan Wake 2
Just a note on the Steins;Gate mention: The visual novel actually goes into great depth regarding how the time travel works, though the anime obviously abridged a lot of this technical content. It's heavily utilizing actual scientific theory and what may come across as technobabble in the anime is actually based on sound theories around quantum physics and the like. It's basically as close to real science as it gets, while still being fiction and telling a particular story within this framework. Okabe's "Reading Steiner" is also based around observation (think: Schrödinger's Cat) rather than simply a time travel ability. But most importantly: the story ain't random with its looping/reset points, and it's elaborated on in the source material.
Similar can be said for the other SciAdv titles (Chaos;Head, Chaos;Child, Steins;Gate 0 and Robotics;Notes) - they're obviously fiction, but they ooze familiarity with the science behind it.
Also, the English Dub is absolutely NOT better than the original Japanese one. The mere fact that Miyano Mamoru, Imai Asami and Hanazawa Kana are voicing main characters is enough on that account.
I think the idea for the choices you can make for the villain are, he can see the future of the consequences of his choices. After he makes the choice, time is set in stone. Everything that that happend, did happen or will happen. Weather or not people actually KNOW what happend is the real question.
Still waiting for Alan Wake 2!!!!
"hey man, wanna watch this 2 minute video about a funny meme?"
"Nah"
3 hour video talking about a game I'll never play*
"Now _this_ is content"
I’m glad that I’m not the only one.
The time machine in 1999 is not at the swimming pool, it's at the "ground zero" workshop. Beth helps get it moved to the swimming pool after she arrives in 1999.
“How would you feel if you knew a corporate monopoly was taking a massive dump all over your personal history.”
I think Sam might have had some thoughts about his deal with Microsoft.
3:08:55 A time travel story where you can't change anything, everything happens the same way no matter what and you can't stop it is pointless.
I got an egg joke. Whats an egg's favorite city?
New Yoke.
Quantum break seemed like a good idea on paper but had “too many cooks in the kitchen” that muddled its execution. And as soon as you try to introduce time travel that opens up an entire can of worms on its own. It had a lot of things going for it, an all star cast, innovative concepts, gorgeous graphics. I’ve even had friends say it was an interesting experience and they enjoyed it. But every time someone talks about it, from Monty’s critiques, friend reviews, and now lore dumps, it seems like it just missed the mark of its potential. I could see how in the remedy verse this could be a jumping point for maybe a multiverse that bleeds all the remedy verse together, or perhaps as suggested here, Alan attempting to find a way out via time travel, to see if that concept could work in his universe. I think remedy has an interesting opportunity here either way with all of their games and now with Alan Wake 2 on the way to create an Avengers Level team up/cross over for the Video Game Medium of media the likes of which, to my knowledge, hasn’t been attempted yet. A game that contains Jesse, Alan, Jack, and Max all attempting to route this multiverses darkness blending together all aspects of the respective games in an episodic adventure seems like it has limitless potential. Regardless Sam Lake is a madman with an artistic vision and I hope he can bring it to fruition. Great episode as always boys. I can’t wait for the next one. May 1st seems so far away now lol. Thankfully I can spend my time waiting in todays sponsor, the all new 2024 Nissan Sentra.
I love this podcast, thank you so much to you guys for it, and especially for this episode because as a PlayStation Remedy fan I can't play Quantum Break so I really appreciate this.
I did know all about the Alan Wake references tho (besides the Sudden Stop admittedly), and I believe the connection is not very complicated. I think Alan Wake is simply a game inside of Quantum Break's universe, and while things like Night Springs or the Sudden Stop lean more towards easter egg territory they can still be explained to make sense in universe. It could be possible that the whole thing was a Return attempt, but it'd be way too complicated and wouldn't fit much with Alan's style. I highly recommend Hidden Machine's videos on this topic.
A couple things that you missed that I think could add to the discussion for when you cover the Control AWE dlc and if you guys cover the Alan Wake II trailer:
The AWE graffiti and the AWE in the blackboard ("Alan Wake Experience?"), the remark of the initiation phase in the hero's journey that's also in the black board (which relates to this House of Dreams and the AWII trailer) and the name of Alex Casey 's partner: Saga Anderson (likely related to the Old Gods).
A very fun listen, again thank you for this and I can't wait for the Control episode (and Mr. Door... RIP Lance Reddick), which is going to be a huge undertaking for Monty, so I wish you the best!
Didn’t expect you to mention my favorite anime aka Steins Gate. Excellent.
Your accents are great Monty, cant wait to hear your Joker impression again for Arkham Lore Dump 😁
i absolutely adore my lore dump boys. i’m going to spend as long as i can listening on my work shift. i’m so glad Neil’s ad reads got left in. i was in the need of a new car and for some reason i think i know the brand i should get.
Make sure you tweet Nissan with a link to the episode if you buy one ;)
When I tell you I *squealed* when I saw this notification-
Love y’all, hope you’re having a fantastic day, and many thank yous for this wonderful content that brings such joy :D
That's so nice, I hope you had a wonderful day- thanks as always for your lovely comment- Neil
Yessss new Lore Dump. Really hoping you guys can cover Resident Evil 8 and 4 Remake this year.
30:00 Scrambled, poached or fried time.
I now wonder if those are both Hatch's eyes. At least one could be Odin's eye that Hatch/Door took in 1988
New Lore Dump hype!
Love the Lore Dump very much. It is extremely fun to listen to, and a good way to learn the story from these games!
p.s. We love Monty accents here
okay after your retelling of ' time is the egg' scene, I checked out the actual cutscene and yeah, Jack is definitely a 'well-meaning total DUMBass'. But also, this feels like a key lesson here, because CONTROL could have easily stepped into the same plotholes and completely unnessesary (or, at least optional) exposition. Jack is a little bit of an idiot, he has a steep learning curve of these extraordinary events happening all around him, and this doesn`t make him more relatable to the player, on the contrary, his exclamations and shock are more of a nuisance. Remedy learned this during work of Quantum Break, and this is exactly why Jesse is complete opposite - she`s a total natural in this alien office buareucracy, and a much better protagonist because of it.
Jack is just...not at all phased that he had just killed a man huh? Time travel - yeah that is WEIRD, Oh No, What is happening to me???? but shooting a person down? Nah, it`s fine it`s time travel, nothing is true, everything is permitted, yada yada.
Huge kudos to Monty for keeping the Lore Dump insteractive as is the story of the game!!! 10/10 preparation, awesome. Rock-paper-scissors had me equally laughing and being horrified
the tonal shifts in here are making hysterically loose it. 'I had to kill some people at work' - 'I dreamed you were a cat', the hell, this is like a bad movie that is so bad it is actually good.
Time and space are intertwined, so displacing some shipping containers seems alright to me.
The Wine and Cheese Crowd segment has the BEST Monty reading voice.
Those Nissan adds are better than actual advertisement. I need a spacious car to cry freely in my life with antiscratch paint.
Jack is truly too dumb to have character development. Repsect to all the actors though, they really did the best they could with the script and dialogue they were given.
It`s kind of sad Quantum Break is this messy, it could have been better for sure, but it still sounds very intruiging and like an okay-ish Remedy game. I still feel like they learned hard, painfully and a lot throught the development of Quantum, and applied all that experience to CONTROL, because CONTROL is a great game and avoided a lot of the missteps Quantum has.
Great Lore Dump as always)
1:50 man, that alien comment didn't age so well.
I know I'm a bit late to this, but Paul ended up in the future via his own time machine core which ended up in the Monarch time machine in the last act of the game. When Will built the original time machine, it wasn't at the swimming pool, but his workshop in Ground Zero. Paul found a time machine with Will's core in it in a cave while being chased by Beth in the future, and they travelled back to 1999 to when Will first turned it on. Paul fled after attacking Will, while Beth stayed to tell Will about the end of time, and told him to move the Time Machine because Paul will come looking. Will moved it to the Pool after that and never went back there, allowing Beth to settle there and await Jack's return.
We know that the End of time is 2021 because Paul meant to go 5 minutes into the future, but the machine malfunctioned and blasted Jack and Paul, and sent him 5 years instead. With time frozen he would obviously pick up on the date by finding newspapers on sale etc while scavenging, same as Beth. In the 5 years following the events of the game and with Jack now working for Monarch, either Will or Jack would end up moving his time machine core to the cave where Paul would find it and where Beth would emerge, and from the looks of what we see of the machine in the future during their fight once he finds the machine, it's the same design as the university one.
Given how open Microsoft have been with their previously exclusive IPs going cross platform now with Sea of Thieves, Grounded and Hi-Fi Rush as well as Bethesda and Activision-Blizzard games continuing to be on other platforms, it's very likely that Remedy have been allowed to use the IP outright rather than buying it, especially after the success of Alan Wake 2 and just how heavily of an advertising push it got on Xbox even though it was an Epic published game. if not, perhaps Epic has made the deal with them for it, especially with the rumours of Xbox opening up to allowing Steam to be accessible on console.
Only time will tell, though it's a similar IP issue to Sunset Overdrive, which Sony now have the rights to after buying Insomniac. Sony cannot produce a remaster of the 1st game for Playstation because Microsoft own the rights to that game. But making a sequel would make no sense to those that didn't play the first game, so Insomniac are stuck making Ratchet & Clank and Spider-Man for the foreseeable future
Are there only two variations for each tv episode? Or would there be 2 variations based on each previous variation?
I got recommended this via Alan wake, listened to all of kingdom hearts episodes after those few episodes, and am now a fan for life! Can’t wait to hear you to cover Control and looking forward to Alan Wake 2!
55:30 jokes like this are why I fell in love with your guys videos! Can’t wait for Neil to be the one in the drivers seat!!
So here's my thoughts, I like the idea that Quantum Break is a failed attempt at Alan Wake trying to write himself out of the lake. More specifically that he failed to write a hero who could save him, because Jack is so fucking lame and Jesse is so goddamn cool and her coming to his rescue is much much more interesting, then if it was "guy with time powers for some reason".
It reminds of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Part 6, the Bohemian Rhapsody fight. The enemy has the power to make fictional character all over the world come alive and they defeat it by making up a new character that has the power to put them all back in their place. Jesse feels like that, someone who you can believe has the capacity to get someone out of an unfathomably powerful supernatural lake. And the reason I love it so much is because this conforms to the rules of the lake, like imagine if Jack "beige" Joyce were to come to the rescue of writer Alan Wake. Why would he do that? How would he do that? I can't imagine a good answer for these questions, but if it's Jesse? I can see it.
I can’t believe you called that Beth shot Paul do early
As always another amazing episode, boys! Favorite podcast by FAR. Sending love from the States
@3:28:44 And this is a another example of how the TV show screwed the pooch. Just like when they let Courtney Hope wear earrings on set in that one scene, some production designer put an Alan Wake novel on the set!! Then when Sam Lake saw what they had done, he had to not only tell the Remedy design team to all those Alan Wake Easter eggs to the game, but he had to come up with the RCU just to explain it!! :P Hah.
Looks like Remedy love to end all their games on cliffhangers